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Gamers Disappoint, Uncharted 2 Sales Much Too Low

I have a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach. It's the feeling that says, "perhaps gaming is becoming more like movies...in more ways than one."

Quality has long since ceased to translate to popularity in the film world and up until now, I've always been convinced that all the best video games would also sell the best. Down through history, this has proven true 99% of the time. The list of the best-selling games ever is awfully similar to that of the best-reviewed games ever, but if this trend were to remain true in 2009, Uncharted 2: Among Thieves would be the year's top seller. And it isn't even close. While Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 is easily the top seller at about 6 million sold so far, what many consider to be the best game of the generation is laboring at only 1.4 million sold worldwide and about 650,000 sold in North America. November sales were apparently abysmal because the NPD reported that Naughty Dog's masterpiece sold 537,000 copies in October alone (and that in only a little over two weeks, as the title launched on October 13). Now analysts have said that Modern Warfare 2 is essentially sucking the life out of other great games but I always thought fans of this industry would reward landmark efforts like Uncharted 2.

I suppose I could blame it on MW2 and after all, sales of Uncharted 2 vastly outstrip that of the original title back in 2007. But even so, we're talking about what I - and many others - consider to be the best of the best. What are gamers thinking? So disappointed in the whole group right now. :(

Related Game(s): Uncharted 2: Among Thieves

12/12/2009 10:50:46 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (222 posts)

fadin_illusion
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:10:02 AM
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I think thats why most game publishers avoided releasing games in same time-period as mw2, surely nobody wanted to be in direct conflict with mosthyped fps of the generation.

on a side note.. i think killzone is better than mw2..!


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The_R0gue_Ninja
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:17:06 PM

I enjoyed Killzone 2 more than MW2 too. Something I can't stand about the Call of Duty series is the enemy AI, which has remained unchanged since the first CoD released. It is omniscient, eternally re-spawning, and ultimately obnoxious! Playing CoD on Veteran difficulty is not a challenge of your skills, it's a test in twitch tactics and pure luck. 95% of the time you die, you die cheaply.

In contrast, Killzone 2's enemy AI (not your ally AI, because they suck) is superb: Flanking you while laying down covering fire, and flushing you out of cover with a (notice the singular tense here. In CoD if you take cover about eight grenades will get thrown to your position) well placed grenade. On the Elite difficulty in KZ2, you will rarely die cheaply. It is a real test of your skills to play the game on that difficulty, and I still can't get past that last arena battle before you face off against Radec. 'Tis near impassible!!!

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TheJackyl
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:19:56 PM

on a side note... I think most any game is better than the mostly mindless FPSes like MW2 and Killzone.

It's like Britney Spears. Give a bunch of teeny boppers the same formulaic crap and they'll eat it up while drooling over the next meal.

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OtisFeelgood
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 1:36:55 PM

Jackyl, you = fail.

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johnld
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 3:20:02 PM

i havent had any trouble in killzone 2 elite or modern warfare 2 veteran at all. Its probably because uncharted 1 prepared me to change gameplay styles when i played it on crushing. Started uncharted 2 on hard then on crushing, was pretty easy once you get a handle of those little "tricks". when i mean tricks, its just the right positioning and other stuff that will make the game a hell of a lot easier to play through.

as for modern warfare 2, the game is great and addicting but it is definitely beaten by U2 and Killzone 2. MW2 just has more mainstream exposure and brand recognition compared to the other 2 games. Most of the new ps3 users that bought it post price cut probably didnt even look at uncharted 1 and remember how the "halo killer" killzone 1 failed to do so, imo killzone was pretty good. almost everyone is so caught up in the hypefests of halo and call of duty games that they dont even bother to appreciate quality work. I guess mediocrity is where everything is at and i will gladly support the developers who breaks past this barrier like naughty dog. I bet this wont stop them from making uncharted 3 so i'll be happy.

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xnonsuchx
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 6:25:40 PM

What's really stupid are the people who will say K2 isn't all that great because it's "just another FPS," but then cream their jeans over another CoD or whatever OTHER FPS franchise. I think that's called hypocrisy.

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Daedusian
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 6:32:03 PM

@johnld; really well said. I have definitely noticed people liking mediocrity over anything else, and I have to say, some of those people are my friends and neither of them have a PS3. Just goes to show when you are not exposed to quality things, you tend to like things that are not so great. And gaming is a perfect example of that. There's a fine line between $ huggers and those that actually care about their target audience, and M$ and Sony are, again, prime examples of this.

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OPHIDIAN
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 9:58:30 PM

I actually understand why mw2 did better. Before I bought U2 and mw2 I considered what the previous installments were like. In my opinion, mw1 completely outstripped U1. On that basis, people KNOW mw2 is going to be good, people have to trust reviews to understand whether U2 will be / is good. They will buy it after it gets GOTY, then they'll know what they've been missing.

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tanner1
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:11:52 AM
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They dont even deserve their ps3 if this isnt in their library. Way 2 go ps3 community, weve just lost the best 1st party devs ever

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Deleted User
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:17:06 AM

Pal, you're going over the falls with that comment.

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Naga
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:34:04 AM

Yeah they're casual kill'em with a frozen enchanted wiimote to destroy this evil

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Deleted User
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:29:27 PM

His second sentence was something that went over the falls. I don't think Naughty Dog is going to give up being a Sony-only developer.

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Karosso
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 1:23:29 PM

Maybe that is exactly what they should do, develop for a console fan-base that deserves it...
I bet AC2 sold twice as much on the PS3 than Uncharted2, and if you compare the first two games it makes even less sense :(
Why the hell PS3 games just don't sell? Maybe what people have been saying all along is true, most people bought it as a Bluray player only...
Too bad for ND, this is the best gaming experience I've had in a long time since Ico and SoTC and they get rewarded with laughable sells numbers as this.

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phantomMenace
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 9:07:29 PM

Guys its been said on other forums and threads, whether or not Naughty Dog wants to go third party they can't considering they are OWNED by Sony. I don't think Sony would be very smart saying you go make games for the other guys. Back on topic This is really pathetic sales for this great of a game. I still play it and I sure as hell am not picking up COD after playing it for the last 3 years.

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Strife
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 6:43:08 PM

Why is it that Xbox owners support the developers by buying their games and Playstation owners don't....thats a question i ask myself all the time. The number one reason Playstation losses exclusive titles is because developers they know it wouldn't sell well if they released it only on that system. The 2 titles that i would never expect to be sold on an Xbox was Metal Gear and Final Fantasy.....these are Japanese developers that have stopped selling there #1 game franchise exclusively on Sony's system, I really hated the idea of Xbox having these games also but now i understand.

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Fane1024
Tuesday, December 15, 2009 @ 4:46:07 PM

The top 5 PS3 exclusives (4.36/3.64/3.51/3.33/2.79 million) have sold to roughly the same percentage of PS3 owners (15%/13%/12%/12%/10%) as the top 4 360 exclusives ASIDE FROM HALO 3 (5.98/5.38/4.08/3.80) have sold to 360 owners (17%/16%/12%/11%).

Likewise, for every PS3 exclusive that underperformed, there is at least one 360 exclusive that did the same.

There is no real disparity between support of exclusives by PS3 owners vs. 360 owners.

Sony lost those exclusives which it was EXPECTED to have because:
a) The 360 launched first and therefore presented an install base which developers needed to have any hope of recouping development costs.
b) Microsoft paid developers/publishers millions of dollars in the form of advertising or cash.

What is more, most of those decisions were made years ago, before it had been proven whether or not PS3 exclusives would sell.


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Deleted User
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:16:14 AM
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I, for one, just feel that American gamers would rather play these bloody shooters on both consoles than play a great game like Uncharted 2 or Batman: Arkham Asylum. It bothers me that the most successful games are these M-rated shooters and their endless sequels. It just seems that too many people on this continent would rather look forward to Gears Of War, Halo, Call Of Duty, Left 4 Dead or any other M-rated shooter over the more cooler and innovative games.

No wonder the people on those Xbox boards are always moody. These guys need to play something more than these violent M-rated games.

Uncharted 2 will get some sales when people see it win those GOTY awards, though I think Batman: AA was the better game.

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Kevadu
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:44:32 PM

Arkham Asylum sold pretty well I thought. Not MW2 level of course, but certainly nothing to scoff at.

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shadowscorpio
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 1:33:49 PM

need jrpgs..... they'll finally hits Feb and March. Xbox Franchise = FPS, PS Franchise = RPG's and platformers...or so i thought

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Alienange
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 2:18:46 PM

Batman AA sold over two million.

@ brighat1971 - Uncharted 2 is violent. Not sure what you're trying to say.

"How many people did you kill? How many just today?" - Lazarevic

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johnld
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 3:23:57 PM

@alienange
that true but having an amazing story and characters pushes the violence aside. Not like modern warfare 2 where you just basically point and shoot. I mean they can try to put some story like the no russian level but the game can be played without them.

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bigrailer19
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 3:51:02 PM

johnld-

that can be said fr a great number of FPS. FPS have never been about sotry or atleast when tried most fail.

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Alienange
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 3:57:17 PM

@ johnld - Have you played MW2? The story is fantastic and the levels are a hectic good time. As many note as well, lots of gamers buy it for the great online game. Online doesn't need a story, it needs a purpose. And a hairy good time with friends is a very very good purpose.

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johnld
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 1:16:43 AM

@alienange
I do have both uncharted 2 and modern warfare 2 and i love both games. But i did buy modern warfare 2 mainly for multiplayer. Its true that modern warfare had a good story but compared to uncharted 2, along with their characters, just leaves modern warfare 2 in the dust.

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bOnEs
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:23:30 AM
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well, there's one thing that great PS3 games have and that's looooong legs... this game will probably sell quite well when it's all said and done but come on, you can only buy so many games and when you have a year like the PS3 had, there's going to be certain titles that don't get purchased right away...

i still haven't gotten this game either... but, if i don't get it for christmas, i am buying it with my christmas money... when it released, assassin's creed 2 was coming out like two weeks later... i made the decision to get that game instead...

and i wasn't disapointed in that decision either as ACII is one of the best of the year... but, i'll be stoked when i finally get the chance to play uncharted 2...

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:53:45 PM

write Santa a nice letter now :)

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Random_Steve
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 1:48:47 PM

as will I :)

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Bugzbunny109
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:24:34 AM
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Ben, unfortunately, this is not just in movies or gaming; it is everywhere. I noticed that people, nowadays, are less interested in quality and more interested in hype and the superficial layers of things. People are less willing to look deeper into things to understand their true meaning and aesthetic s. They are more accepting to mediocre things and are less interested in the potential of doing something greater. I observe this every day, and it is most common among the youth. I am not surprised that U2 hasn't sold much and I don't even expect it to make game of the year. I KNOW it deserves that title, but considering the way the world is today, it won't get anything close to that. It disheartens me because "true art" is now defined as mediocre at best *cough MW2*. I commend NG for their work, but unfortunately, their audience does not have enough sense to recognize their hard work and artistic nature.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:39:14 PM

Well, of course. It's the rapid dumbing-down of society.

But I had always believed gaming was above that. And it WAS...at least until now. :(

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:55:48 PM

I think the xbox popularity itself is proof of what you say.

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Highlander
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 6:32:56 PM

Feeding caviar to pigs comes to mind.

Low information consumers with poor education and no interest in thinking do not buy games with story and character, they buy bigger and better action sequences.

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Highlander
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 8:16:09 PM

Or perhaps pearls before swine?

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Fane1024
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 9:21:01 PM

@ Ben

I think you're overreacting (possibly on purpose).

Good games have always sold well (for the most part). However, the BEST games haven't always sold THE BEST.

MW2 is one of the best games of the year (top 10?) and will be one of the best-selling games of the year. U2 is one of the best games of the year and will be one of the best-selling games of the year.

I don't see a problem and I definitely don't see any reason to doubt that the long-standing trend still holds true.

p.s. I own U2 and I NEVER buy games at full price. I will never own or play MW2.

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Troy Powers
Monday, December 14, 2009 @ 9:20:28 AM

But, that's the whole point of advertising. "So you don't have to take the time to DECIDE what's good, we'll decide for you, and plaster it all over billboards and televisions." Hype and advertising equal sales, not quality. It's just a fact of life. I was looking at an article about the metacritic rating of the consoles, and it goes in exactly the opposite order of the sales.

I wouldn't blame Naughty Dog or Guerilla Games for going multiplat if they could. These people have mouths to feed. Creating a great product is good, but if you're not reaping the financial rewards (especially in a global recession), somethings got to give. I think this entire generation, and the way it has been rewarding hype over quality is going to be bad for gaming. I wouldn't expect Sony to invest the resources to make their next console as revolutionary as the PS3 is, simply because it hasn't PAID. Sony really bit the bullet on this one, and went above and beyond. It hasn't paid off for them OR for their developers. Expect the PS4 to be just a marginal step up. And gamers (as a whole) deserve it.

Also, I think this generation has a lot of new/casual gamers, which lends itself to the current trend.

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bigrailer19
Monday, December 14, 2009 @ 6:24:41 PM

Troy Powers-

i dont think ND or Guerrilla have even thought about going multiplat. They always praise sony and how hard sony works with them. If either KZ2 or UC2 were multiplat they would not have been what they were and both companies realise that. They also constantly say how important it is for them to work and use one console to get the most out of there games and that console is the PS3.

Another thing you must realise is all those copies of MW2 sold are for all 3 machines. Uncharted 2 is and exclusive and from what ive heard the numbers for MW2 on PS3 and Uncharted 2 are actually really close!

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Gone
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:25:18 AM
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A lot of people don't buy games right when they come out. UC2 only appeals to certain people who like that type of game. More people are into FPS.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:56:26 PM

While I agree that more people like FPS, LOTS and LOTS of people like TPS too.

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Gone
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 3:09:25 PM

TPS = To Post Shit, which is what I did (damn that delete button disappears too fast).

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Snaaaake
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:26:27 AM
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Why make something great when good sells better?

This is a quote I got from VGCats and I think that it's the motto of most developers now.

Dammit, does majority of the PS3 owners buy PS3 for movies only?
If so they might as well throw it away, the main purpose of PS3 is for gaming for pete's sake.

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johnld
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 3:27:05 PM

damn sony! they marketed the ps3 as a machine that can do everything too much. lol.

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Naga
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:31:19 AM
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tis a shame, Call of Duty doesn't do good for the industry by now I will never play a game with a weak single player mode plus a flawed multiplayer experience if this is to happen then I'm afraid Activision and Microsoft have drained the quality out of video games.

I just hope Dragonage and Mirrors Edge have a sequel, so glad Battlefield BC2 is just next Spring/Summer

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tes37
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 1:18:42 PM

I'm kinda looking forward to ME2. I bought the first one for my daughter, although I was interested in it as well. I watched her play too much and it ruined it for me. I knew what was going to happen so I left it alone. If they don't release another one, I'll end up playing the first one when I've forgotten most of what I saw. I won't make the same mistake twice if a sequel comes out.

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Hezzron
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:34:02 AM
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Here's a crazy little idea....How about a bloody TV commercial for the game?! Sony alluded to UC2 in one of their PS3 commercials, but they made it look like something women would want to watch. Not the greatest sales angle if you ask me.

Also, the first UC was OK, but not that great, so maybe people have been holding off despite great reviews for the sequel.....kinda like Assassin's Creed 2 to some extent.

....and of course you can't deny MW2's mass appeal. The multiplayer IS addictive like crack, so the majority of gamers are quite busy with that. My PS3 friends list turned into a who's who list of MW2 players now. Maybe gamers want more bang for their buck and so they turn to the longevity that MW2's MP provides.

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laxpro2001
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:37:56 AM

You're exactly right in everything you said except the Uncharted not being that great comment.

But yea everything else definitely agreed.

Also another note here... Uncharted 2 is very story driven and so if people didn't buy the first one they probably feel like they wouldn't understand the second one or be able to get into it as much.

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Naga
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:39:39 AM

Any multiplayer game can be addictive right?!
CoD sounds incredibly boring and empty with no vehicles and this perk system I hear of seems arcadey its strange how Warhawk seems more enjoyable than this so called Goty title

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Hezzron
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:49:22 AM

I enjoyed the first Uncharted. I just found the environment was extremely repetitive by the end, and the aiming mechanism was a bit off. UC2 IS a lot better than the first. But I'm only throwing that out there as an theory.



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Scarecrow
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:59:07 PM

First Uncharted offered a lot of variety.
It's like saying that Metal Gear Solid 3's environment was too repetitive.

That's erronous

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Alienange
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 2:38:03 PM

@ Agony - I find it shocking that you would spurt out such nonsense. Your assumptions are completely false and highly biased.

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Nickjcal
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:34:32 AM
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Well i like uncharted 2 and its been one of the best games ive played. But im not going to lie the online is fun but not enough to keep me hooked like call of duty. Maybe its because i just really havent started playing it but i do believe it earns goty. Sorry to say it tho ive never played Batman AA is it really worth the pick up? Is it one of those games that you can keep going back to every once in a while and keep playing?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:58:40 PM

it never needed online in the first place.

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Alienange
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 2:43:44 PM

You'll go through Batman maybe twice. If you like anything Batman, it's worth every cent.

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johnld
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 3:31:14 PM

yeah, batman is worth the money but i only rented it because i couldnt afford to buy it. I was going to buy it later but i got my platinum trophy so there was no sense because after finishing the story, there was nothing to do, story wise. But some of the challengerooms are hard as hell and will keep you busy and coming back for more especially if they keep releasing free dlc.

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laxpro2001
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:34:33 AM
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Think about why crappy movies do well at the box office. Advertising... Uncharted 2 needs more advertising especially with all the moronic misinformed gamers in the market who's media literacy levels are abysmal <-- love that word!

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johnld
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 3:35:48 PM

maybe sony should make it that after each modern warfare 2 commercial, uncharted 2 commercials would come up filled with actual gameplay footage. Sony can show how superior uncharted 2 is in quality. I really want to see that happen after the best buy mw2 ad. "MW2 on xbox 360 is like watching a movie" then sony should add "if mw2 on the 360 is like watching a movie then uncharted 2 on the ps3 is like playing/being in real life."

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Deathstriker
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:36:16 AM
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I bought both of the games...so I can easily say MW2 had a great story, IDC what anyone say's it's story is epic, the gameply it self is a little dead. Multiplayer is IDK how to say a repeat when I 1st played I was like seriously thinking, this is basicly COD4MW just patched in alot of way's. In all aspect's I see Uncharted 2 was better, the story and gameplay matched. Plus the multiplayer was fun as hell...I almost jizzed my pant's during the beta...

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Zorigo
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:37:22 AM
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i just hope that ND dont give up, they made an amazing game, and it would be a waste to throw it away, because it didn't do well in sales.

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Jiggy
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 1:16:10 PM

I wouldn't worry about ND making money. Once they start selling the dev kits they're creating they will be loaded

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Fane1024
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 9:26:48 PM

Give up?

U2's sales are excellent (despite the spin Ben gave it for this article). The game is already in the black. It will receive many GOTY awards.

Why the f*** would they give up?

p.s. The sky is falling. Don't tell anyone.

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to_far_apart
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:38:13 AM
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Unfortunately, the hype around this game has been immense, heck whenever infinity ward announces a next installment, you'll see the same or even more hype. Problem with a lot of gamers now is that they follor the norm, not to say all are like that, but not many people tend to look at the overall quality and production value of games, not to say MW2 isn't a good game, but to me that's all that it's been, good. Unfortunately now, this new era into online gaming has really stripped the gaming community the overall quality of games. The story being most affected. Now it's all about graphics and online gameplay. People put down the online gameplay that Uncharted 2 has delivered, but they should really take another look at it, it's great, addicting, and not to mention a lot of fun. Helps that there isn't the amount of cheating that takes on in games like MW2.

It's sad for those who've been part of gaming for so many years, (i.e. like you been, you've been around for gaming for quite sometime, i'm only 20 so i appreciate more then modern stuff even though i've treasured a lot of the older stuff since my dad always had me play NES, atari that he had kept haha)

When i see games back then to now, it's different. Back then quality and just pure fun gaming was all that measured, i'm not saying there aren't a ton of fun games now because there clearly are. But a game like super mario for example, saved the gaming industry in a sense, it revitalized the energy and liveliness gaming needed. Now we have a lot of fun games no doubt, and the addition of online multiplayer has changed everything. But i think companies are overshadowing the pure quality and fun and interactive story that games had always been based on then, and substitute it for online gameplay.

It's not only happened in gaming, you see it in everything. People's attitudes, especially that of the youth, you see it in pure quality in movie experiences, acting isn't the same (despite the number of quality of films and actors/actresses there are in that industry), and you also see it in music. I mean don't get me wrong, there is plenty of good music today, but when i focus on the 60's-80's (where music was free, lucid, it was lively, and has always been that), there was a difference. Lyrically, it was and still is superior in every sense (not to mention some bands/artists today). To me, i see a world now with less passion, hunger, and even an appreciation for life itself. I don't know maybe that's just me, but when i see a 14 year old cursing out and flicking off a 50 year old man, all i see is a society lost and going no where.

I know i kind of get off topic of the gaming aspect, but the point i'm trying to make is valid. For any of those who want to give me a hard time for this comment, go ahead, i really don't care, i'm just giving an opinion.

And Ben, i just want to thank you, one thing i love about psx, is the pure honesty with which you all write your articles, not any of this bias, "let's say what everybody else is saying so we don't get heat on our backs," i really appreciate the time you guys take to give your side and say what you think is right or what you believe. Thanks again.

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jaybiv
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:39:45 PM

Good post. Passion is lacking definitely. This is a marketing driven society, so all you need is some good buzz and you're set. It's amazing going back to my old games systems like NES and Sega Genesis how some of those games are still able to hold my interest better than many modern games.

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to_far_apart
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 10:17:18 PM

thanks a lot man, you know how it is. i know exactly what you mean, it's beyond me how some of these older games keep me interested, that's what you have to love about passion and just the love for gaming and in everything in general does for you. We need some more of that today or society is destined to crumble, even though it's already in shambles.

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BG_921
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:43:59 AM
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I know it has been mentioned already, but it is tough for people to buy games right now. Some people do not have that much money. I have wanted many games, but I either don't get them or have to wait until I actually have extra money. Also its not that hard to imagine Call of Duty selling more copies. It has been one of the top gaming franchises of the past 10 years, with such a large base it is going to sell millions. I am not denying how great the game is, but it seems everyday there is a new article about this game. At least you guys seem to be spreading the word, SONY should pay you guys to advertise the game.

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to_far_apart
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:45:21 AM

hahah i agree with you there BG. Sony should keep you guys in mind, great advertisement here lol

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King James
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:45:51 AM
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Give this game time. I know a lot of people who chose to wait on Uncharted 2 because they wanted MW2.

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FlyingKickPunch
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:46:08 AM
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urge to kill rising....

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:59:11 PM

...falling...rising...falling...gone

...RISING!

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King James
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 5:48:14 PM

lol...Good Simpson's reference

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Snaaaake
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:46:09 AM
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ND worked too hard have this kind of sale, it just doesn't seem fair to them, I really doubt that MW2 affected U2 but it seems that is the case.

Universal score doesn't guarantee great sale, what would 3rd party developers think when they see U2's sale?
Your guess is as good as mine.

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Fane1024
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 9:31:01 PM

They would be envious as hell.

Do you people even read the numbers?

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

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swapnilgyani
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:49:04 AM
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I think it has to do a lot with the lack of proper advertising, and also the fact that the first Uncharted, while a decent game, was never groundbreaking.

I picked up the original one only after I read great reviews about the second one. Since the story aspect of U2 has been praised so much, I personally thought it would make more sense if I knew the first one too.

Maybe other gamers also thought similarly, but did not wish to go through U1 right now, especially since there are so many other games to buy / play this season, and so could never convince themselves to pick up U2.

I am facing a similar situation with AC2. I cannot wait to pick that one up, but I want to play the original first, so that I understand the story better. But I know that AC1 was a mediocre game, and is almost certainly not worth my time / money.

Dilemma...

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Hezzron
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:03:24 PM

Exactly.

Here's another observation about "advertising". I don't watch too much TV, nevertheless the only games I've seen advertised on TV are MW2 and Borderlands. One has broken sales records and the other is the "surprise hit of the year". Go figure, huh?

It goes to show you, if you have a good game and you let people know about it, they will buy it.

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karneli lll
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:27:19 PM

Definitely the advertising is an issue.Sony did get some uncharted ads out but i remember one of my friends asking if uncharted two is a movie.There were too few uncharted ads and no one knows what uncharted is after seeing the ads.

Same story with Killzone 2, i mean seriously? A bullet passing what looked like robots probably was the worst ad from the average joe's point of view. At least Uncharted 2 got some ads, infamous marketing was purely word of mouth. I'd hate to think how Heavy Rain might fail due to no marketing

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brown_E_bear
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 1:52:13 PM

I agree with the advertising issue but for me it's to do with the style and frequency of advertising. The US ads are way more funny and entertaining than what you see here in Europe. The Uncharted 2 ad was pathetic. Having all those silly cardboard looking effects around the game as it played was just retarded. Why they didn't just use a trailer like the "no honour amongst thieves" trailer that ND had released before is beyond me...it speaks for itself. They then throw a voice over of some twat saying how exciting the game is and it just becomes a joke. If this had been an M$ exclusive you'd see one of the best adverts ever for a video game. On top of that they would still be advertising the game from October through to next year making sure everyone would know about it during Christmas! Just look at the Gears of War ads. Sony may be sorting their marketing campaign a bit over there in the US but when it comes to the rest of the world they still suck and hopefully this will make them wake the hell up. M$ may have deep pockets to be able to splash cash on advertising but you can't tell me that Sony couldn't have done the same for this exclusive.

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tridon
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:50:05 AM
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I still think Sony/Naughty Dog should've released a Collector's Edition of U2:AT, because whether you want to admit it or not, those usually help sell games. A big fancy Uncharted box in a store would've attracted a lot more attention (as well as all the cash from my wallet). In all serious, though, MW2 was a huge disappointment and it doesn't deserve the sales it's been receiving. I traded mine in after two weeks of owning it.

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Oxvial
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:51:02 AM
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My ol'N64 +Goldeneye+REAL LIFE FRIENDS > MW2.

heheh yeah just trolling, but Ben I share your pain .



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laxpro2001
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:51:19 AM
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Going off what I said about the story being a discouragement to buy uncharted 2 if you never played uncharted, if that actually was the problem, a solution would be (take this with a grain of salt in an opening festering wound) to bundle the two Uncharted Games and sell them at a slight discount.

I don't want to go as far to say $60 for both of them but sales would definitely sky rocket if they took that course of action.

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ed_winchester
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 9:03:45 PM

Brilliant idea, I know of people who have been interested in a sequel to a game but been put off coz they didnt get chance play the original, God of War being one example. And look, God of War Collection gets a release which proves the devs realise this kind of thing happens. Bundleing a game and it sequel seems like a no brainer, movies have been doing it for years so why not games too

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BG_921
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:55:42 AM
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Also, I am just wondering if we can get an exact PS3 vs PS3 sales rate for UC2 and MW2. The 6 million for MW2 includes the X360 and the PC right?

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YesterdysRising
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:27:35 PM

I was just reading an article that said from more than 6 million MW2 sold, 4.2 million was 360 and 1.87 million was for PS3.

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BG_921
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:52:16 PM

Well I think that is how we should compare UC2 with MW2... If those numbers are true, than UC2 held its own with MW2. It doesn't make sense to compare the sales of a third party game to those of an Exclusive. Especially when you do not show the sales of the third party game per console. Also many of the X360 fans probably do think it is the best of the generation, look at what they have to compare it to. Gears and Halo, so yeah it would be the best compared to those lol... I only mention Xbots because it is third party, and they make up about 50% of the sales of MW2.

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BG_921
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 1:12:57 PM

Yeah I just saw where Uncharted 2 was over 1 million copies sold. Modern Warfare 2 was at 1,870,000 on the PS3... So I think Uncharted has done a great job, especially considering it only had like one commercial. I think the BETA should have been open to everyone, than more people would have been able to try it out and see if it really was what they wanted in a game, instead the BETA was open to those who pre-ordered and already knew what they wanted. Yes I know eventually it was opened to everyone, but it expired like 3 weeks after it was made available.

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Alienange
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 3:02:08 PM

And there's the point! MW2 1.8 million units sold. UC2 1.4 million units sold. What's the problem again? That "gamers" are letting us down by owning 360s and buying MW2 for it? Of COURSE they bought MW2 for their 360. If you only have an Xbox, what else is there to buy? Putting MW2 on the 360 is like feeding starving dogs. It's a great game and there was no competition.

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Ricochet
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:06:47 PM
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Uncharted 2 DEFINITELY deserve the sales. Either the gamers are TOO F*CKING ignorant to choose an excellent quality game over a re-hashed/overhyped multiplayer game or the fact that SONY screwed up and PUT 4 EXCLUSIVES IN ONE FRIGGEN MONTH.

Either way, both ways sucks. Regardless, Uncharted 2 sold well for a game.

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karneli lll
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:39:00 PM



Blame Sony,but Uncharted 2, Killzone 2 and Infamous sold over a million copies each with no marketing,is'nt that a feat on its own?

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Juanalf
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:14:16 PM
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You're saying it like if this was anything new(or surprising) :( Perhaps it would be better if Sony took funds away from their exclusives and just invest that money in a big third party game so at least some thing of theirs could sell like it should.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:39:58 PM

Of course it's new. Like I said, look at a list of the best-selling games of all time and compare it to the list of the best-reviewed games of all time. They're almost IDENTICAL.

Try doing that with any other entertainment medium. It doesn't work.

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laxpro2001
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 1:53:59 PM

For the most part it is new, however this has happened with other games such as valkyria chronicles (and many many more)

What makes this situation so unique is that Uncharted 2 got a ridiculous amount of praise and had more of a mass appeal in the sense that it was a simple but fun concept that anyone could understand.

Not to mention Uncharted has some hilarious dialog :D

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Deadman
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 5:44:45 PM

But Ben MW2 also got great reviews, so it being a top seller shouldnt be that big a surprise. And if you just compare the PS3 numbers of Uncharted 2 to MW2 youll see that, MW2 only sold about 400,000 more than Uncharted 2.

It wasnt like MW2 scored a five average and blew out the competition.

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jaybiv
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:44:22 PM
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U2's numbers are nothing to sneeze at. You have to give a game about three months on sales. Yeah, everyone focuses on one day, week and month sales, but that's too short. A game is probably going to get about 70% of it's sales in the first three months, if not more.

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Kowhoho
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 1:09:57 PM

I've been watching VGchartz lately, and whether you think their results are accurate or not, just hear me out. MW2 (on PS3) had a huge opening day and then sales plummeted by a huge margin. U2, on the other hand, looks like it has some really strong legs. MW2 sold 1.6 million copies first week, for the PS3, in America. It's now down to 120k, which is a huge drop, but we'll have to see how the holiday season effects it. Uncharted 2 has the benefit of being consistent, selling more than 100k total every week. The holidays are giving it a great boost too. I wouldn't worry about it: Uncharted 2 should climb its way to 4-4.5 million when all is said and done. Very respectable if I do say so myself.

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Deleted User
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:46:10 PM
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I remember when FF10 part 2 came out. You could dress tthe girls up in all sorts of girlish fashions.! The whole game felt like a charlie,s angels episode . This game did not sell well at all among the males here in america.

Yet the politically correct gaming journalists chastised the gaming community for it, saying the MALE population should be more opened minded. I laughed at this thinking to myself, "I wonder if these guys tell thiier sons to play dress up with dolls? lol

You cant tell the gamig community to play a game that it does not like. Iknow alot of people who rented this game and did not like it at all. You MUST RESPECT this.

For all the hype this game got, the ps3 community has spoken. YOU CAN'T FORCE A GAME DOWN GAMERS THROATS AND MAKE THEM PLAY IT NO MATTER HOW GOOD YOU HYPE IT UP.

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Aftab
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 2:41:36 PM

As I said before, U2 wasn't even on the map up until a month before release. It received, well-deserved critical praise, but certainly isn't an example of a game that was "hyped" in terms of prerelease marketing. On the other hand, MW2 was just that...It had huge HYPE.

Furthermore, comparing U2 with FFX is a weak example at best. U2 was designed for everyone, where as FF is more for RPG fans.

And I wouldn't say the sales of MW2 is anymore telling of what "gamers" want, anymore than Wii sales do. The casual market is huge this generation, and the statistics are being skewed.

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Robochic
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:49:27 PM
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I know alot of people that want this game, it's just the timing of when it was released due to other games or just no money, mine was the reason of no money, i got the first one for free a few weeks ago decided to give it another shot, just finished it and ready for more, i'm getting this one as soon as I can.

MW2 is not a game for me, lets say they may have had their reign for now but MAG is coming out and thats going to kill MW2 in my opionin.

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Kowhoho
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 1:11:04 PM

I don't know what you're talking about, the game is perfection incarnate. :P

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bigrailer19
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:50:50 PM
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sounds to me like you have a grudge against MW2 honestly Ben. Which is fine you like what you like, but we all seen this coming a mile away! There really isnt any reason to be upset because gamers choose to buy one game over the other!

No doubt uncharted 2 is the best game we've seen this generation and in a long time but MW2 is at the heart of the gaming community!

Now i do agree, and strongly stress to all gamers who have not yet bought and played Uncharted 2 to do so because they will enjoy the experience more so than MW2 if your trying to decide which to buy. But i also understand that you'll probably see more people on your friends list playing MW2 than Uncharted 2 possibly.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 1:01:04 PM

I have no grudge against MW2. I'm sure it's a great game.

My point is that in no way do the sales reflect the quality in MW2 and Uncharted 2...let's face it; it's backwards.

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SnipeySnake
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 1:03:41 PM

I have a grudge against it.

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laxpro2001
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 1:51:10 PM

WOW... its definitely not backwards. To say its backwards is completely biased against MW2 and it definitely feels like a grudge is being held.

Think about how MW2 appeals to the core consumers in the market. MW2 is a perfect fit for many gamers, especially those that aren't as savvy in the industry and don't think to look at reviews and rely on Word of Mouth which is what a lot of college kids do. (what I find anyway)

I agree with you 100% that Uncharted don't reflect the outstanding quality and entertainment that comes with the game. But don't say MW2 doesn't deserve great sales because in all honesty MW2 is a fun multiplayer experience with a incredible longevity.

Sorry if this seemed harsh but I just feel like there is way too much MW hate going around now.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 2:21:03 PM

lax, he is saying it is backward when you use overall quality as the benchmark. If quality meant good sales then U2 would be selling a lot more you see, backwards.

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Wage SLAVES
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 3:12:35 PM

@World I think Lax forgot to put the word "Sales" after Uncharted. Then It makes sense. So I agree with him. Too much Mw hate but it IS somewhat deserved.

As far as MW2 is concerned I am pissed. Well, at least I think I'm over the hype of Mw2. ONLY because I think the game is quickly losing appeal to me. It is AMAZING that they went out with their way with the "f.a.g.s" campaign yet the whole game promotes noobtubing. Every game is a campers delight. Snipers are so underpowered and inaccurate. The GRAPHICS are just a slight upgrade to COD4 (360 limitations, anyone?) which was permissible as long as the game was amazing.

Glitches like the Javelin pissed me off at the beginning and has put a sour taste in my mouth. There are people getting in rocks already and my brother got plagued by a game that was hacked to hell. He is one amazing MW2 player and he said it was unplayable. Why is this game so hackable? I can't wait for other games now. I think Im over it already. That was not the same with the original Modern Warfare. It was perfect.

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bigrailer19
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 3:44:45 PM

Ben-

i hear you for sure, and it may be backwards but thats just how it is. i mean MW2 appeas to a huge number of people as laxpro said. I must say that i think a lot more gamers probably have Uncharted 2 on the Christmas list this year because they wanted to get MW2 first so...
Give it a month and well see what happens...

WageSlaves-


If your losing taste in MW2 thats cool, i mean you can only play so much of one game. But its still fresh to me and i disagree with everything you said about the gameplay and online. I have only experienced one glitch so far in all my hours of playing MW2 and tht was the javelin one and last i heard IW was fixing it and it may be already. All the guns in the game are pretty accurate as far as stats, except those stupid dual rangers, those things are rediculous and are not that accurate, but thats another story. But the sniper rifles are plenty powerful, in fact i would say 40% of my playing is sniping and i would say 90% of my hits with a sniper rifle result in one hit kills. You must be accurate to use them for sure but thats not that hard of a task really. Second try using stopping power or even FMJ that'll help you out alot more. And i just wanna end it by saying i honestly dont see people getting in rocks, or walls, or off the map or anything like that.




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Wage SLAVES
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 8:15:56 PM

@Bigrailer

That is what i forgot to mention the dual 1887's!!! They are terrible! I guess I was just bitchin...but those are bad.

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maxpontiac
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:52:32 PM
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Uncharted 2 does deserve better sales, but since when does a game nearly selling 1.4 to 1.85 million copies mean it's a bad thing? I have seen numbers for this game at both ends. Plus, since NPD does not include Walmart, what's the point of getting all hyped/disappointed over NPD numbers? None really.

I would bet that 90-95% of all games on the PS3 and 360 will never sell that many copies. Someone here is free to disprove my theory. Good luck with that quest..

From my personal standpoint, I do not like Uncharted 2's multiplayer suite. I play COD MW2 for one reason alone. Hardcore mode. I am not interested in having to dump a clip into another player, and deal with a killcam at the end in regular TDM. Hardcore meets all my needs for a shooter online.

The only other FPS I spent 100 hours online is Killzone 2. Yes, Killzone 2 has no hardcore mode, but with the sniper class, it's usually a one hit kill. So in that regard, it's a "hardcore" mode in it's own way to me.

What's my point? MW2 offers more for everyone when it comes to multiplayer play. FPS to TPS or regular to hardcore, it provides options that people want.

But man, COD MW2 sure looks inferior to Uncharted 2..

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swapnilgyani
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:52:47 PM
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Let us hope that both Sony and Naughty Dog knew the market habits, and had set their expectations / sales targets realistically, i.e., not hoping to outnumber, or even come close to MW2 - strictly in terms of sales, that is

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:54:23 PM
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While I opted for Dragon Age, I am certain Santa is bringing me Uncharted 2 for xmas. Ben I think you are correct about games going the way of movies and that is largely because the audience that has been incorporated is full of the mindless. MW2 has proven success like the Wii has, it is now a casual gamer's game.

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LittleBigMidget
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:58:35 PM
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I think people are giving commercials too much credit. I have never seen anyone look @ a commercial and go "OMG DAY 1 BUY" But thats just me. Did you really have high expectations for Uncharted sales wise?

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ed_winchester
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 9:14:22 PM

No but the purpose of commercials is to tap into the subconcious mind so that when you're next in a shop or wherever, you buy that product. its called psychology

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BG_921
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 12:59:28 PM
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For the genre of the game I still think Metal Gear Solid 4 is the best of this generation. If we are going the 3rd person, shooting, action, adventure route than I still think it is the best. Also, maybe Uncharted fans and Metal Gear fans should try the 3rd person mode in MW2 I thought it was a great addition especially if you play tons of Metal Gear Solid... This may be off topic, but just throwing something out there.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 1:09:30 PM
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I thought I'd never see the day when gaming would be dumbed down as it is.

Put a gun in front of the screen and people will buy it

That's really sad, pathetic even

Game's like Demon's Soul in the ps1 and ps2 era would have been rewarded by good sales. People actually acknowledged good innovation and VARIETY.

Amazing how variety doesn't matter to gamers any more. Now I see why MAG turned into a FPS (was a third person shooter at first).


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Guess guns will always be embedded into most Americans/European hearts and minds.

It's like striking their most sensitive chords. But third person is not enough for them, it has to be as "real" as possible.

Gaming is not a Japanese thing anymore. That's the sad part. Even in the ps2 era it felt like Japan was the one who controlled gaming.

Now that the US gamers feel like it's their thing they've bastardized gaming as a whole.

Wonder how much the Last Guardian will sell

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SnipeySnake
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 1:21:19 PM

Well said.

Edit: Who the hell thumbed down it? Freakn &#*@^#&$!

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Karosso
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 1:44:31 PM

The Last Guardian is going to be a train wreck when it comes to sells. I will be surprised if it reach the million mark :(
But it will most likely be the best game of the generation right beside U2...

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laxpro2001
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 1:59:05 PM

I'm going to thumb it down right after this because he's wrong...

Think about the majority of the population that aren't hardcore gamers and that don't stay informed about the industry.

A game with simple concept would sell much more because we (consumers) like simple. Why do you think EA sports games sell so much... they are a simple universal game that anyone can pick up and play.

Modern warfare 2 is definitely simple and has that mass appeal.

It's all about how you market a game.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 2:11:18 PM

Explain to me how games like Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo, Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, etc. sell so well

The "simplicity" argument only works for casuals. Not all gamers are casual

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Juanalf
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 2:46:25 PM

Don't you worry about The Last Guardian; Me and the 50 others that buy it will cherish it like a true goty contender :)

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Highlander
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 6:57:34 PM

Scarecrow, GT4 sold about 10 million copies in a market that had a 140million installed userbase. console for console, copy for copy, that.s actually not that many more than Uncharted 2 has sold into the SP3 market of today. And the GT4 sales were counted over 3.5 years, Uncharted 2 has had 6 weeks. You can't compare the six week sales number for a game against the lifetime sales of a universally acclaimed title that sold on a console with a massively higher installation base.

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bigrailer19
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 12:44:31 AM

scarecrow-

your comments about guns being in front of the screen is UGLY! I dont understand why people are so upset MW2 sold well. IT just shows your truyl not a gamer because you might sit in front of your screen and press buttons, but dont truly appreciate the industry. MW2 is a good game and is worthy of a nomination for GOTY. FPS are pretty simple, and are also the most mainstream. They are accessible to pretty much all gamers. a game like UC2 would be harder to play what with all the puzzles and different styles of gameplay for someone younger, compared to FPS where they just point and shoot really.

My point is the industry would be boring with one genre of games. The fact that you have an agenda against FPS shows your arrogance and unappreciation of the industry. You may enjoy other genres but if a good game is released then it should be rewarded no matter the genre! a true gamer and one who appreciates what all developers do regardless the genre would appreciate this! Maybe im being a little harsh and maybe tomorrow ill feel bad about what i say here tonight, but its the truth. Its a game and its enjoyable to other people. And even a hannah montana game like i said before is being owned by someone and they are probably enjoying the crap outta it. would i buy that game probably not but i will not critiscize that game nor the person who playes it because the industry is all about providing entertainment to a wide spread community and i appreciate the fact that i can pick and choose what i like to play, and that includes MW2, along with RPG', sports games, action/adventure, online games, independent games, etc.! I recognize a good game when its a good game even if i personally wouldnt buy it, or play it!

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ufowatch
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 1:16:17 PM
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Don't you guys remember all the offers the retailers were making during the WM2 release? From walmart, best buy, to online stores, all seemed to be orchestrated in a massive discount campaign. They were giving gift cards and discounts for buying the game. I think a lot of gamers took advantage of that and it shows in the sales numbers. Getting a $60 game for $50 is a good incentive. I know cause I gave in and bought MW2 instead of U2, but I'll get U2 on my birthday for sure next month tho.

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SnipeySnake
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 1:17:45 PM
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Can anyone tell me one thing thats creative about mw2?

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Mamills
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 2:45:44 PM

its MW2

no creativity or skill required

just reflexes and to be braindead, then again that is more than half of North americans so i guess it'll win GotY no problem.

i voted for uncharted 2 anyway

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karneli lll
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 5:56:41 PM

I can think of one; getting people to buy recycled crap,that takes creativity.

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Oxvial
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 6:31:02 PM

nothing but it can make you very creative insulting people , you gonna learn a lot on Modern Warfare 2 mp of that.

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bigrailer19
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 2:41:52 PM

ill ell you exactly whats creative.

The way they brought millions of people into an online community hats different and farther in depth than a lot of other games! MW2 is the game everyone on firends lists are playing and those people like playing with firends and MW2 supplies that in a very unique, fun and competitive way!

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SnipeySnake
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 5:42:29 PM

@bigrailer19

"The way they brought millions of people into an online community hats different and farther in depth than a lot of other games!"

There are lots of online games out there. If mw2 can't even let me play with my friends and when my brother is right beside me. That is a huge disappointment.

"MW2 supplies that in a very unique, fun and competitive way!"

Whats that very unique, fun and competitive way? If you camp in a right spot, you can shoot people on and on? That's pretty much what i see in when i play it.

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bigrailer19
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 10:52:48 PM

snipeysnake-

"There are lots of online games out there. If mw2 can't even let me play with my friends and when my brother is right beside me. That is a huge disappointment."

I have no idea what your talking about here. I do recall when the game first launched the servers were messed up for a day or two but ive never had a problem when playing with my friends or joining there game and trust me ive played my fair share!

"Whats that very unique, fun and competitive way? If you camp in a right spot, you can shoot people on and on? That's pretty much what i see in when i play it. "

The very unique way the game is played is how in depth it is. There are tons of perks to customize your play style, and the perk tree system which adds a bit more by completing challenges. Then there is all the challenges they add, for you to achieve to rank up quicker which adds some challenge. On top of that theres all the new killstreak rewards which are awesome, expecially the ones you interact with like, the chopper gunner, and predator missile, no games are doing this! The game is like an rpg almost as far as ranking goes. you dont level up to make your character stronger of course like in a rpg, but you do gain abilities and weapon enhancments to make the way you play more crucial! The game is very competitive, yea occasiionally i run into campers to but if your good enough u just go back to that spot and get revenge which you also get more points for! Literally you get extra points on a lot of different things you do which adds to the excitement of carrying things out! Then yeah it may have your standard game types (deathmatch, search and destroy) but the way they mix it up and add to these game types making search and destroy have the ricochet mode was brilliant and a good way to stop team kills. Not to mention the third person mode which is quite fun actually!

im sorry you guys dont get to enjoy it like i do but the game is very good, and very fun. And not to mention my friends list is always loaded with people playing it so i always got someone to play with when i jump online to play games!

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NoSmokingBandit
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 1:45:05 PM
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Hype > Quality

Unfortunate, but true.

Society is getting dumber by the minute. I was listening to the radio at work this morning and they played a block of music and i honestly couldnt tell the bands apart, and im a huge music geek. Every band sounded like a cheap Nickelback clone.

I suppose the same applies to games. People would rather see the same thing done 12 times with mediocre quality instead of trying something new with kick-ass quality.

I am enjoying a crap out of Uncharted 2, so if the sheep want to go play Modern Warfare 1.5 then let them.

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JackKnifeZero
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 1:47:24 PM
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Well, MW2 is the best-selling "multiplat" game right? What would be considered the best-selling "PS3 exclusive" game? I would hope it would be Uncharted 2.
--OFF-TOPIC--
Will you guys be doing a review on the new pixel junk game, Shooter? I'm a big fan of Eden and I'm thinking of getting this but money is tight so it needs to be worth it :)

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Lotusflow3r
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 1:53:36 PM
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Just because a game/movie/album is reviewed good/bad, does not mean it's either good/bad.

Critics are just people with an opinion...usually a bitter one as they failed to be what they criticised. A critic can be lazy and not have a clue these days more often then actually not.

Point is, U2 did not deserve it's praise...it did deserve praise...but not THAT praise. It bored me about half way through and lasted only two days...with no challenge. It may be one of the most polished games this gen but, it's a nicely polished commercial piece seen time and time again.

MW2 is even worse...i don't know where to begin about that trend.

We ain't seeing the results from before because times have changed, most people are stuck in comfort zones or follow in trends...not many dare challenge...especially when there's money involved, the number one motivation of today.
Back in PS1 days, developers went wild, experimentation was in full force, our imaginations were challenged. PS2 offered more of that but, changes were clearly visible towards the end...and now, today...well, look around.

Sony are taking risks with games like Heavy Rain, Flower, Last Guardian, Demons Souls etc but, it's no where near the amount from PS1/2 days.

Times will get rougher, things will carry on changing...lets just hope the games industry does not turn into the music or movie industries. I don't wanna have to dig deep beneath all the money motivations to find a good creative, challenging game like i do in the other said industries....

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 3:48:28 PM

The next time someone says something as retarded as "critics are just people with an opinion," I'm going to freak out.

DON'T say that again in here. It's insulting and downright false.

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Mamills
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 2:44:08 PM
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people are idiots wut do u expect

i told u guys ive already given up on Uncharted 2 winning the VGA GotY
its just not gonna happen
people like their braindead Bullsh** shooters
so thuius MW2 will win

but Uncharted is still the best game ive ever played

lol, just watch next year GT5 wont outsell forza 3
aw man if that happens then fu** it sony should just give up n have all the studious make shi**y simple minded gtames for dumb ppl

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Banky A
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 2:45:21 PM
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Sad :(

And even more sad, is the fact that I don't have a decent job to help you guys support games like this. Sooner or later I will but right now I want some hardcore gangster shoes for Christmas and mainly some clothes. Then I'm waiting for GT5 and a driving wheel - probably the DFGT.

So no games for me for a long time.
Sorry dudes :(

BTW I've wanted U2 for ages, I watched every Behind The Scenes and sh** too... maybe Santa has it?

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Sir Shak
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 3:21:06 PM
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You bastards , BUY this game or else .....

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Solid Fantasy
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 3:25:07 PM
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This is a sad article. The gaming world is now enveloped with ignorant fanboys.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 4:42:24 PM

Yet your statement is baseless

Thank you for stating pointless BS
Try making a point which actually backs itself off before your start calling names/bashing articles

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Solid Fantasy
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 5:11:10 PM

I said it was a sad article. NOT A BAD ARTICLE!! It was not BASELESS or BS!! I was expressing how I felt about about the lack of appreciation amongst today's gamers for good quality games vs. lesser games with just reputation backing.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 5:57:53 PM

I see, sorry 'bout that then
Next time be more clear lol

"This is a sad" article when taken literally sounds as if the article is bad.

Personally I'd say "This article brings out the sad in me." Either way kinda rough to get around as to what's sad 'bout the article, the article itself or the point being made.

Anyway, yes it does make a sad point 'bout today's "gamers."

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 6:13:03 PM

lol, scarecrow u failed.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:46:27 PM

crap

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Kingharris
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 3:28:45 PM
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Uncharted 2 is Game of the Year, a giant leap over ANY OTHER game this year, in almost every category. MW2 is just a medicore game with an online that you can class the full package good, though I do wish the Spec Ops could be all that it should, though this is my opinion.

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Alienange
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 3:48:23 PM
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What a bunch of biased MW2 haters on here! The majority are making negative comments about MW2 when they haven't even tried it. Bravo to the couple of you on here that actually defended MW2. What the hell do they want IW to do? NOT release their game so that other perceived "quality" games can have a chance? And what's with the negative spin on 1.4 million sold in a month? It took KZ2 almost a year to sell those numbers.

Acting like it's MW2's fault is just childish and ignorant. As many have said here, the PSN friend's list is lit up with people playing MW2. They love it! Gamers buy what they like. There's nothing disappointing about that. And oh, look at that, only 1.8 million sold on PS3. It's damn near the same number! Looking at it that way I'd say UC2 did VERY well considering it launched a month before the mammoth that is MW2. And yet you mention some arbitrary "analysts" who are claiming MW2 is "essentially sucking the life out of" great games? Doesn't look to be the case here.

Also, to say MW2 is not "quality" is a joke. Whose idea of "quality" are we supposed to go by? We're so quick to point out UC2's 96% score on Metacritic and yet dismiss the 94% MW2 got? Looks to me like the infallible critics along with many gamers think MW2 is "quality."

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bigrailer19
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 3:57:00 PM

alienage is right. Uncharted 2 is my pick for GOTY by far, but MW2 is a great game. And what we need to realise is that for the most part the same critics that reviewed UC2 probably reviewed MW2 and they gave the right scores but are close on metacritic.

Really it just seems that a lot of people dont like FPS and thats fine, i dont like Hannah Montana games but there is still an audience out there for it, and youll never hear me say one negative thing about it because its still a game. Point is MW2 was bound to sell well not to mention its a multi plat game, while UC2 is exclusive and sold very well still. And i think a lot of people did yes wait on UC2 to get MW2 but will get it soon enough.

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Alienange
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 3:58:46 PM

@ bigrailer19 - Do you go to Hannah Montana fan sites and bad mouth it? I doubt it. So why do so many do it to MW2?

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Oxvial
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 5:26:29 PM

If this was a MW Site I would never post here.

we are talking about the industry of games, I know you are a fanboy of this game you complained a lot whit the review this site gave to it , if you can't take the other opinions better stop coming here dude.

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bigrailer19
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 5:58:47 PM

oxvial-

u are biased against FPS its well known cus you bash the genre constantly so your comments mean nothing in this argument, because the point alienage and i are both making is i dont care what the genre is i dont care who makes the game, i dont care how many people buy it if its good its good. thats my point about hannah montana if it would have gotten a high review score even on PSXE i wouldnt have bashed it. Just because i wont play it dont mean others wont!

I've gotten past the whole o this game sucks so im gonna tear it apart or i hate that genre so im gonna tear it apart. It stupid because its still a game, if there wasnt so many different genres gaming would be boring. Yea some genres like UC2 do a lot of different things to a phenemonel and excellent point where FPS dont do as much, but are still an awesome experience, like Half-Life, KZ2 and MW2 are.

You missed the point and the point is some people will like the games you dont, so what gives you the theory that they suck when other people like them? thats just your opinion which your rightful too, just like i dont have a problem with any genre because all genres cater to someone!

The fact that people are upset because MW2 sold more than UC2 is kind of weird. UC2 despite its numbers still got a huge amount of recognition far more that ND probably even dreamed of which is the excitement of releasing the game. And just cus a bunch of people missed out on the game, doesnt mean u should be upset. Shi* i just look at em' and say your missing out, because i got to experience one of the greatest games ever! I GOT TO EXPERIENCE IT, thats what matters i dont care if my neighbor has played it or not its there loss. Same goes for MW2 i dont care if some people like OXVIAL hate it because its there loss they didnt get to enjoy it like i am currently doing!

Alienage-

you know man i have no idea why so many people hate on MW2 espeically on this site, but i will say the majority are enjoying it and enjoying gaming and the numbers prove it!

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karneli lll
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 6:08:03 PM

I know a lot of people who bought it only coz its the 'cool' thing to do. Many people are just on for the bandwagon ride.I played it and the only thing i enjoyed was the no russian silly stage, everything else was a severe case of deja vu

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Oxvial
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 6:21:32 PM

bigrailer19 you are so wrong I never said MW2 its a bad game go and read that review you gonna see I was okay with the 8.9 Psxtreme gave to it.

what I don't like its how many people are overrating FPS game in general and more the hype of MW2 , yeah MW2 its a good game but for gods sake isn't a goty unless you are a hardcore fan of FPS games.

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NoSmokingBandit
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 8:48:24 PM

I've played MW2. Its a huge step back from MW1. The campaign is super short and follows the exact same structure as the first MW. They dumbed down the difficulty too. I played through on Veteran the first time and it was hardly a challenge, and i dont consider myself a proficient FPS player at all.

Online is weak too, imo. Its the same boring game style that is in every other FPS online play, just newer maps. At least Killzone 2 mixed it up a bit instead of using the stale old online mechanics.

Dont act like everyone who hates MW2 hasnt played it, its insulting the intelligence of people who have played it and do hate it.

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bigrailer19
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 12:29:47 AM

nosmokingbandit-

i dont knwo if your referring to me about the whole assuming people havnt played it. But i never said that or even acted like that! My point is just cus someone hates FPS doesnt mean that it is a horrible genre. I love MW2 much more than the first! you saying its a step backward is your rightful opinion, but my rightful opinion is MW2 is a step forward atleast in the MP. I dont know how much gametime you have online but im pretty proficient and can vouch on my personal experience on all aspects of the online its a better game! yeah not a ton new implements, but what they did add (killstreak rewards, callsigns, new perks, the tree system for perks) it adds tremendous depth to the MP. MW2 is hugely in depth by far it goes farther than a lot of other games!

OXVIAL-

ok maybe i placed you with a lot of other people on this site, but you definately hold something against eithert MW2 or FPS in general. and to counter what you said " yeah MW2 its a good game but for gods sake isn't a goty unless you are a hardcore fan of FPS games." Just because its an FPS doesnt mean it doesnt deserve it either! A game is a game and if its a good game then it should at least be nominated! Thats what im trying to get acrosss what you just said makes it sound like, you think FPS are not even worthy of an award! Your quote express a lot of hate towards the genre and thats as bad as being a fanboy! I love all genres and if i ahted a game i would never express it the way a lot of you do on PSXE because JUST BECAUSE YOU DONT LIKE IT DOESNT MEAN EVERYONE ELSE DOESNT LIKE IT EITHER! Any game in any genre will always cater to someone. BTW i think it deserved a nomination for GOTY do i think it deserved GOTY no way, because UC2 is by far way ahead of everything else this generation!

karneli lll-

I'm surprised you "know" people who bought it cus its the "cool" thing to do. Even if thats what i did i would never admit to that lol. Im glad atleast you have played it and judged it though that i can respect. But thats just your opinion, and mine is that i enjoyed it in every way, except the short story and those damn dual rangers online. im not mad the campaign is short what im mad about is that it ended cus i was really enjoying it. One thing you must realise its an FPS the things implemented and the mechanics used are setting the bar in FPS. That goes for KZ2 as well. What im trying to say is FPS are pretty simple point and shoot, and cover gameplay. How to improve on that is tough because they are unlike games like UC2, or Dragon Age: Origins, but what FPS do they do well, and that especially goes for MW2!




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Alienange
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 1:45:48 AM

@ Oxvial - What in the HELL are you talking about? I complained a lot about the MW2 review here at PSXE? Take another look buddy.

And yes, people coming onto a news article about Uncharted 2's low sales, which I was trying to point out isn't that low, and making comments about how they think MW2 is crap when they themselves haven't played it, is absurd.

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Alienange
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 1:59:56 AM

@ NoSmokingBandit - I believe I said "the majority." Your comments however, lead me to believe that you have not played as much MW2 as you claim. I've played my fair share of fps, in fact I played MW1 and 2 back to back and I have yet to see ANY other fps do what MW1 or MW2 have done in the way of keeping things fresh for the online gamer.

If you don't like MW2, then fine. But saying

"Its a huge step back from MW1."
Wrong.

"dumbed down the difficulty"
Wrong.

"same boring game style that is in every other FPS online play, just newer maps"
Wrong

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bigrailer19
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 2:41:29 AM

alienage-

again i gotta agree with you man! For the people who havnt played or dot like MW2 im sorry but i do, and im going to keep enjoying it as i have. And to the people who have not yet bought UC2 im sorry but you reall need to! The game is great and sets standards from here on out! UC2 is absolutely amazing. But either way ive gotten to enjoy them both and thats all that matters to me!

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Oxvial
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 8:48:13 AM

alien@ you really complain about that one.

Big@ I'm vs the Hype / Overrating more about FPS games not the hate if another genre would be oversaturated I would post about that genre and don't do mention of FPS games(even if I'm not a big fan of the genre).

Also you must stop assuming that all the people that dont love MW2 never tried the game.

all your talk about how you much you love the game clearly show how biased you are.



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NoSmokingBandit
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 8:55:15 AM

Alienange, you fail at arguing. You cant just make a list and put "WRONGZORZ!" after each point without backing up your argument.

Have you even played the single player campaign? It took me many tries to get past certain levels (all ghillied up, the epilogue) in MW1, but MW2 was super easy the whole way through.

Online? Come one, team deathmatch, capture the flag.... yawn.... KZ2 had all those game styles as well, but they delivered it in a new way that stayed fresh.

Why dont you try backing up your claims instead of just screaming "wrong!" ?

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bigrailer19
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 3:02:47 PM

oxvial-

im not by any means a biased gamer. IF you sen my collection of games you would realize that. I have atleast 2 games from every genre and even the games i dont have still respect to some nature! Listen i dont have an 360 ok, and i have never played halo 3 because im not interested (i loved Halo btw), but i will not say the game is horrible, i will not hold anything against it just because i have no interest in playing it. For one i have never played it so i have no right to say it sucks. Second its still a game made by a company that has made some great games, and if it wasnt for M$ they probably would continue to do so. and third the numbers prove the game is very popular and te review scores by many people show its at least got potential. Thats my point im making!

NOSMOKINGBANDIT-

Dude your backwards as well! IDK what was fresh about KZ2, it was merely more of the same as well. Both games do those differently, and i loved both games! In KZ2 you play a search and destroy type map but do you realize how hard it is to plat when everyone respawns? KZ2 is a huge frag fest there is no denying that! While a search and Destroy game in MW2 works better simply because you have time to plant because nades are not being thrown in a room every sec. Deatch match in both games runs typically the same, but MW2 does offer a few dif. types of deatchmatch (Hard core, mercenary, team and team express). Both have domination type game plays and both are horrible frag fests btu both are a lot of fun. this is a trend that will continue, they are both FPS and both will continue to try and improve on a a genre thats almost tapped as far as innovation goes. I loved both games and i love that they both were different in a lot of ways, but those ways YOUR trying to say isnt a huge difference. Your opinions just like alienage' and mine are pure opinion. I enjoyed the campaign much more in MW2 than MW1 and found it much harder expecially on veteran.

This argument can continue forever, but i will say your not arguing much in favor of yourself either! I dont really care if you like the game or not, but do like you have asked of alienage and actually put up an argument if your going to say its not a good game.

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NoSmokingBandit
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 3:13:12 PM

Are you blind? I've stated in two posts what i dont like about MW2 and why.
I'll do it a third time because you obviously arent capable of scrolling up in your browser.

•The difficulty is way too easy in the campaign. Even on veteran nothing felt as challenging as MW. I blew through the game with only a few deaths.

•The campaign is super short. I dont really need to explain this. Its much shorter than most shooters out there.

•The online feels the same as MW. Resistance 2 and KZ2 spiced it up a bit with different play styles and different deliveries of the same old game style. MW2 just feels like the same old game. And its only 9v9? REALLY? MW2 had a huge budget and they couldnt even have a dozen players on each team? R:FOM had 16v16 and that was several years ago!

Clear enough for you?

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bigrailer19
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 4:55:05 PM

nosmokingbandit-

yes and i appreciate it! but all your arguing is that MW2 is more of the same. KZ2 didnt spice much up to be honest and thats fine with me, KZ2 is my fav. shooter ever and in saying that i can honestyl say the game modes didnt change but th way they are played because of how KZ2 plays compared to a game like MW2 did change and for the better.

Again you thinking MW1 was harder, is your opinion cus i think MW2 was harder. So we really dont have much to argue bout there cus we probably play the game way different than eachother.

you made yourself clear and your previous posts were not, you wernt arguing any points made just stating how you feel relly. I respect your decision and youve spoken your peace, and thats all i asked for.

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NoSmokingBandit
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 5:17:57 PM

I found that KZ2 actually brought quite a few new things to the genre. Weighted controls, constantly-shifting online play, the best AI ever...

Im not trying to sound like a di** (though im sure i am), i just cant find anything about MW2 that feels fresh. I played through it once and i dont think i'll be picking it up for a while.

Anyway, enough of this. :D

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BlackBriar
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 3:53:36 PM
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I thought overall it sold well for a game? But of course it could be better. I Love!! the game. Give it more time I'm pretty sure it will bounce back in the December sales numbers ! Christmas is just 2 weeks away! Have Faith guys its only been 2 months since the game came out! Another thing I give partial blame to Lamestop, Video game sites and reviews (Not Psx) not really pushing the game for the mass market. I mean if MW2 (four/six hour game) got a higher score then U2, something is wrong(i.e. Gametrailers). Nontheless Buy the game and don't buy it used at LameStop or GameCrazy it's hurting not helping.

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BlackBriar
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 3:56:43 PM
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Damn You Activison!

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Jawknee
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 3:57:41 PM
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All this says to me is that there is a majority of gamers out there with poor taste which shouldntt a surpise given the Xboxs populartiy as some one said above.

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Nerull
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 4:24:54 PM
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Don't blame me, I had my copy within the first week and MW2 will have to get pretty cheap before I stoop to it, seeing how I never play it's multiplayer.
It's not my fault the masses are as fad driven as they are.
And whoever says the radio is a cesspool of repetition... ya, and? I haven't voluntarily listened to the radio for many years now, it's and has been primarily about advertising for a looong time now. My sister has been hosting radio for a couple years now and she can't stand how superficial it is.
But music isn't dead, you just have to know where to look cuz when society is going to hell in a handbasket everywhere you look, that's what metal is all about, among other things.

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Alienange
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 4:25:30 PM
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So... what ARE the other 27 million PS3 owners playing?

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Sir Shak
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 4:54:08 PM

No idea . Perhaps a lot of them bought it as a blu ray player .

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karneli lll
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 6:14:36 PM

How on earth are we supposed to know? Type up a questionnaire

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Highlander
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 6:53:45 PM

A damn good question.

I sometimes think that perhaps they are catching up on other titles.

Perhaps it's because games like Halo and MW2 have fanatical audiences who play nothing else for months on end, so when a new version comes out they all rush out and by it in droves, and it is the 'cool' game to have. There's nothing you can do about that. It's like in the movies. New Moon will gross way over $600 million world wide, but is it a better movie than say, The Blind Side? Quality doesn't always sell, Of course studios will always make formulaic action movies or horror flicks, or teen angst blended with vampires vs werewolves, or whatever. But movie makers are there to make the best movie they can - and make money. It's a shame that the bland, mediocre crap sells hundreds of millions of dollars worth of tickets and a true piece of moving art sells a mere fraction of that. But that is the way it is. The goal for Uncharted 2 is to be a succeess, that does not mean it has to beat MW2 in sales. Considering how it compares to the first Uncharted, this game is doing great.

Uncharted 2 still has legs, lets see how it goes long term shall we?

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Fane1024
Tuesday, December 15, 2009 @ 5:11:25 PM

@ Alienange

Probably the same games as the 24 million 360 owners who didn't buy Halo 3.

My point is that even great games rarely sell to more than 15% of the install base and usually much less; even much-hyped Halo 3 only hit 30%.

p.s. Isn't The Blind Side doing remarkably well at the box office? Not New Moon well, but still.

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Nerull
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 4:31:32 PM
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like cups and cakes.
And ACII for me but thats because I finished UC2 except for crushing quite a while ago. Maybe I'll get to crushing once I'm done assassinating.

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FatherSun
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 5:02:43 PM
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As stated before. Its all about advertising. I put this all on SONY. The results for the new PS3 marketing campaign was tremendous. Why did they not do the same for Uncharted 2? It simple logic. People will not purchase an item that they do not know exists. Ive got it! An ingenius marketing campaign. Tell what you think.

Coming soon to a theater near you...!

Then run the movie like trailer.... and then this:

Uncharted 2: Among Theives. Only on X-BOX!

The uninformed will salivate. Look to purchase the product only to be enlightened that it is a PS3 exclusive. At this point they are hooked. Some may even consider purchasing a PS3 just for this reason.

Marketing Tricknology!! Yes..yes..I know.. Its SACRILEGE!

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bridgera
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 5:38:38 PM
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2 MAJOR issues here:

1) Oversaturation of great games in the last four months currently tied to a downed economy

to name a few

Modern Warfare 2
Batman Arkhan Asylem
Demon Souls
Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2
Ultimate Alliance 2
Fallout 3 GoT edition
Little Big Planet GoT edition

2) Poor advertising

Had I not been reading here and watching console war vids on youtube, I wouldn't have known this game existed. I saw plenty of MW2 adds, and NO Uncharted 2 adds.

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bigrailer19
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 5:59:38 PM

UC2 adds were all over the place. I seen a commercial for UC2 atleast 3 times a day near its release.

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SvenMD
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 6:33:55 PM

I agree that there were alot of great games in the past few months - and the fact that we are still in a down economy means people (or parents) have to choose one, but not all.

On the other hand, if you haven't seen an Uncharted 2 ad - then you either aren't a gamer (I hope not), or you don't watch much TV.... cuase it is seriously out there.

Didn't you see the ad where the dudes GF has been watching him play Uncharted 2 for 2 days because she thinks it's a movie??
-That one cracks me up.

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bridgera
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 5:41:28 PM

Actually, I don't watch a whole lot of TV, so if there were television adds, I guess it's not a shocker that I didn't see any.

I did however see the massive PS3 campaign commericals, those were pretty good. I also saw the MW2 adds.

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Deleted User
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 5:47:42 PM
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Sadly, MW2 is the cool game that everybody has to have. It's like if you're an Xbox 360 owner and you don't have this game, you're a loser. You have to have the game that the next guy has. Uncharted 2 doesn't have that going for them but they deserve that treatment because they worked their ass off to deliver the 2009 GOTY.

It's just the way it goes but I am angry that people continue to buy the same stuff every month. The rehashes, the Wii stuff and Call Of Duty.

Well, maybe if it wins the GOTY on Spike T.V. tonight it will help them. That's a pretty desperate thing to say, though.

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Sol
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 6:00:21 PM

I hear you though, and totally agree with your comments. I havevn't broken into this gen yet so I still have been playing my PS2, but my friends who have their 360s only want to get games that their friends (the online ones)are playing. Whilst me who'd rather start with the PS3 have a long list of titles that I intend to get. Uncharted 1 and 2 are definitely on this list. Even though the GOTY may bring more eyes to the game, I don't think it will help as much even if Uncharted 2 wins it. People are just too far off gaming-wise sometimes... I'd have better luck trying to get my mom to play a video game (which so far hasn't happened, even though she owns a Wii).

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I C E_COLD
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 6:04:59 PM
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What a shame man I'm kind of sad to see art not appreciated like this but hey at the end of the day, they are only numbers that we are seeing not the quality.

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Rekano
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 6:27:49 PM
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Kind of a new PS3 owner this year so when I was asked to reserve U2, I had no clue what it was but read some good stuff prior. Still one of the best purchases I've made this year(aside from L4D2, Im a L4D addict). I was sold one the multiplayer alone via the Beta, but when I finally got the game and played the single player...Wow, they do make challenging, good looking, and fun games these days. I agree, those numbers are a damn shame. I never played U1, but then again I didn't need to. U2 introduced me to the games story well enough. While I did buy MW2, I rarely ever play it. I think MW2's sales also come from various versions of the game released...360, PS3, PC, and PC distributed on Steam. 360 being MW2s main money maker. But remember folks, quantity does not equal quality.

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Sol
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 7:40:37 PM

Even still, having played enough multiplayer rounds in MW2 to rebuild some of my legendary Sniping skills from my Medal of Honor days; I have to say that MW2 is still a pretty solid FPS. It's a fun game. The thing is that people game on preference most of the time. People not exposed to new stuff tend to orbit around what they know. Essentially they haven't tired of the same ol same old.I may want to play certain shooters like Gears, Halo, Killzone, and MW2 for the experience, but when it comes down to it they aren't the games I typically go for. I tend to collect games that I feel are worth collecting. Out of this list I would only "buy" MW2, not the whole CoD series, nor the first MW.I will collect and keep the whole Uncharted series. As for Gears, Halo, and Killzone... I'd only go as far as a rental.

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MRSUCCESS
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 6:38:03 PM
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I found it so amusing during the time MW2 came out, I was playing Demon's Souls and having a great time (still am on level 126). Besides the fact, shooters are over-hyped the country is in a time of war and that's probably another reason why more and more people are loving FPS. I'm not going to lie, I like first person shooters, but I like the ones that mix fantasy and realism together like Resistance.

First person shooters are fun, but I much rather play RPGs and Action Adventures (MGS FTW). Another HUGE factor that has made FPS so popular is ONLINE. People want to play online and compete with others and right now the concept of playing a war-like game MW2 appeals more to the masses than that of Uncharted 2.

I know it's sad that MOST people are not enjoying the better games such as Uncharted 2, Demons Souls, Megaten series, Valkyria Chronicles but you'll lose yourself in disappointment if you keep thinking about it.

I say just play the games you truly like and stop following what others like.

That reminds me I need to trade in Modern Warfare 1 for Persona 4 sometime this month. LOL

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Gabriel013
Tuesday, December 15, 2009 @ 7:54:01 AM

But I'm NOT following what everyone apparently thinks I should be buying.

I skipped MW2 (multiplayer blech!) and U2 (don't like the playing experience. I picked up Dragon Age instead.

I'll rotate around that, Fallout 3 and Mass Effect until the next game is released which I find fun to play.

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Mamills
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 7:22:52 PM
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goddamn it

uncharted 2 didnt win best action adventure
wtf!?!?!

wow.
nuff said im done with this

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Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 7:23:07 PM
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only two awards in and I've turned off the VGA's. Another reminder that people don't know quality.

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Highlander
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 8:23:42 PM

People don't care about quality.

That old saying definitely holds true,

Never mind the quality, feel the width!

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Nerull
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 7:35:39 PM
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It's ok guys, for now. If MW2 wins game of the year thats when I'll turn it off.

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Snaaaake
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 8:05:50 PM
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Remember what Morgan Webb of Xplay said when she reviewed inFamous?
Now I'm saying the same,"You have a PS3 and don't play Uncharted 2, you're dumb....."

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raiden213
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 8:31:41 PM
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Uncharted 2 is by far the best game on the ps3 right now, it doesn't make any sense why it is being ignored by most ps3 owners.

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Phoelix
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 8:40:08 PM
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I don't believe that gamers have lost their passion. We just have more gamers today.

Just because person X owns a game console doesn't mean that he or she reads video game news on a daily basis to make his or her decisions. I believe those people are still out there; they're just outnumbered by the people who bought an XBox because they played Halo at their buddy's house.

For all of you who believe our society (this doesn't quite apply to games because they're so young) as a whole is going downhill, ask yourself if you haven't heard the same story from someone older than yourself. Maybe our society didn't change--your perspective on it did.

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Snaaaake
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 8:45:57 PM
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Now look, there's 27 million PS3 owners but this game only sold 1.4 million copies, and then MGS4 sold 4 million copies, what the heck.

Just like PS2 with more than 100 million sold and then games like GT and GTA only sold 10 million copies.

I mean, what is wrong with most gamers?
Some love FPS over TPS and vice versa.
Others love JRPG over WRPG and vice versa.

I'm Asian but I play all kinds of genre.
Here's my way of buying games,"I buy whatever that's good and worth it".

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inkme101
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 8:58:37 PM
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uncharted 2 goty baby !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! woooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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Charger7302
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 8:58:50 PM
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Uncharted 2 has won the VGA Game Of The Year!!!!!

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Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 9:02:33 PM
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holy crap! I turned it on at the end to see the train wreck of Game of the Year but Uncharted 2 won! My faith in humanity is restored!

but as you all know, that and quarter will get you 25 cents ;)

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Nickjcal
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 9:06:48 PM
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Uncharted 2 all the way man

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Qubex
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 9:07:04 PM
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I don't own it yet, but will come December 24th... Uncharted 2 all the way :)

Q!

"i am home"

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Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 9:11:05 PM
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We'll see if it helps Uncharted 2's sales over the next few months. Winning the GOTY award at the Spike VGAs can only help. People watching that trainwreck are going to believe what these guys are preaching.

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Nerull
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 9:13:43 PM
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Yep, nice to see MW 2 won best shooter... and only best shooter like it deserves. I was so sure the hype was gonna carry it to goty.

The only thing imo that didnt win exactly what it should was south park tower defense beating ghostbusters...w.t.f.. and I actually like south park, on their good days.
And I'd say Brutal legend should have kicked dj heros ass for soundtrack but it's not really my type of metal for the most part anyway.

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jlch777
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 9:26:27 PM
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haha GOTY for Uncharted 2 congratulations!!!!

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Blaiyan
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 10:05:11 PM
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The only reason why I don't like PS3 owners. Cod6 is moving forward to 5M while U2 is a week away from 2M. They might as well sell their PS3's and get a blu-ray only player. Completely worthless.

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Deadman
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 10:21:05 PM

MF DOOM!!

But MW2 is not 6mil sold on the PS3. 6mil is a total number counting PS3 and 360. 4mil on the 360 and 2mil on the PS3. The PS3 sales for MW2 and Uncharted 2 are within 400,000 units sold.

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Blaiyan
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 6:18:42 AM

I go by VGC numbers.

Cod6 4.43m WW
U2 1.98M WW

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bigrailer19
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 10:59:23 PM

thats what needed to be pointed out because its rediculous this article was written the way it was! im sorry Ben but 360 owners dont have access to UC2, but can by MW2. What should have been done is noted how many units were sold for just the PS3 version(s)!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 10:14:28 PM
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Before things go too crazy, let me just say this-

You may notice that NOWHERE in the article do I say - or even imply - that Modern Warfare 2 is a bad game. I know it's a great game. It deserves accolades and attention. But I don't believe for a second that it's better than Uncharted 2 and the sales difference between those two titles isn't indicative of each title's quality.

That's my point, really.

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to_far_apart
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 10:18:41 PM

I agree with you totally Ben.

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bigrailer19
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 12:33:10 AM

I agree with that comment as well. But you could also say that about Halo and Gears as well, but you singled out MW2 for whatever reason. I think maybe cus they are released s close but even ODST was nominated for GOTY so...

I will say this as i did before though. I got to enjoy UC2 and thats all that matters to me. I dont care if my neighbor hasnt played it cus its their loss. It got plenty of recognition as the best game this gen, maybe ever! and Won Spikes VGA awards for GOTY so its really just up to the consumer now! nothing to scoff at though really!

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BlackBriar
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 10:17:02 PM
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1st:(@ Blaiyan)you my sir, have rattled the wrong cages!

Second:I most certainly agree with you Ben; MW2 was fun as hell, what bothers me and maybe you as well is the review scores of MW2 and U2, Gametrailers.com reviews of both games are the prime example.

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Blaiyan
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 6:41:53 AM

Wasn't my intent but sometimes when you're honest that'll happen. I could just say the typical, people can buy what they want, it doesn't matter fair minded lines but I just didn't feel like it. Truth is I want certain exclusives to do really well. Even though it might not necessarily mean profit I think 1M is great for a game but with 27M consoles sold you'd hope the owners would show a little more support. Then again i haven't bought all the exclusives so I can't talk. I think i'll just put myself in check here.


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BlackBriar
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 10:28:51 PM
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Game of the year! The First of Many!....Ha!

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ebterp
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 10:31:24 PM
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For me the evolution of Online multi-player has made it really difficult to compare games. What people have to understand to a certain degree is that there a millions of casual gamers out there that get short blocks of time to play and a great multi-player experience allows them to do this. MW2 for me isn't close to the experience that Uncharted 2 was but owning both I have to admit that MW2 online will provide alot enjoyment and longevity. Both great games in there own way!

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Perry Katy
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 10:39:14 PM
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U2 has won GOTY Spike VGA's 2009!!!!!!!! :D

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___________
Saturday, December 12, 2009 @ 11:59:09 PM
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sad really.
it looks like games have to be a proven IP, a popular series if they want to sell well.
look at mirrors edge, deadspace all new IPs dont sell to well till there in their 3rd or so game once the game gets a decent fan base and following.
and another thing thats critical, which sony completley fails at is advertising.
every 20 minutes im seeing a add for assassins creed 2 and at the end of said adds only the ps3 and psp appear.
ive seen more assassins creed 2 adds in 2 days than i have seen uncharted 2 adds in almost 2 months.
what, sony dont want their games to sell?
only third party games?
i really dont get their logic, but than i never have.
uncharted 2 has been out for 2 months almost and ive only seen 3 adds for it.
whoever did the adds for infamous, they should bring him back.
there were adds all over the place for infamous.
cinemas, shops, billboards, posters on the side of buses, posters on bus shelters, TV adds.
i could not take one step out of my door without seeing a infamous add.
thats how it should be done.
its sad to see new IPs selling so poorly because developers will look at this and see wow a new great game like deadspace sold worse than a crappy 5 hour campaign in MW2.
there going to see that, and there going to be reluctant in which games they release.
if you can do jack .... and make a cheap game and it sell millions, or bust your a$$ and make the best game you can and it barely break 2M.
which one do you think there going to choose?
thats the exact reason why were not seeing any more PC exclusives.
because its to expensive to stay exclusive to the PC, also why spend so much money pushing the system when they can spend half of that and triple your sales bringing it to consoles.
crytek better not dumb down crysis 2 or im going to be really seriously pissed.
thats why i wish the gaming industry stayed a small no mans industry.
back then there were only passionate developers because you had to be to survive.
now you can hate games, release a piece of tripe and make millions off it.
only a matter of time till developers wake up and smell the coffee.
and i gotta say its smelling mighty bitter.

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___________
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 12:13:38 AM
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kinda off topic but TRUE CRIME IS BACK BABY.
OOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHH YYYYYEEEEEEEEAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!!
bout fu**ing time we got another cop based open world game.
loved the original back on ps2.

o wait.
its being published by activision.
and another one bites the dust.
what a shame, could of been such a good game.
*adds another title to the fu**ed up by money kotik list*
now only one question remains.
WHERES MY NEW XII GAME???????????????????????

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just2skillf00l
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 1:08:26 AM
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Like so many of us psx frequenters have already said, some people just don't support high quality games. Most people when searching for games look for ones that are popular and on high-demand. COD titles are the main attraction in most cases. So even some our PS3 friends, knowing little about high quality games, will settle for the popular mediocre games.

Also, MW2 is addictive and boasts a high replayable multiplayer mode. People like to get the most bang for their buck like many others have commented before me. There is nothing wrong with this way of thinking but sometimes great titles like UC2 get shortchanged because of this.


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hehateme
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 1:25:59 AM
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its sad a game like this even has to be in a article like this.... the game is simply amazing.... game of the freakin year man and that little sales??? somthing is seriously wrong with that picture....

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ThePoetRazel
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 5:46:42 AM
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What a snobbish article.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 7:34:54 PM

Wow, you're a genius.

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Scarecrow
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 9:20:02 PM

snobbish poet

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Serginho85
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 8:39:27 AM
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Well, I must confess to be one of the bunch who bought MW2 instead of uncharted 2. Truth is, like the first, and beeing a first party game we all know that in it's platinum in the beginning of the new fiscal year, March for granted while call of duty 4 is still selling at 40-60€ so it will mw2 for 2 years probably. So I know that I am going to buy me uncharted 2 for sure, just a matter of time. Another thing that made me buy mw2 was the fact it was my first call of duty ever, so for me it was a great experience though not better (nor worse than killzone 2). I often remeber things of the killzone multiplayer that are missing in mw2 (I allways remember how fun should be have a class that allowed me to disguise as the other team hehe). The two games are different and very enjoyable.
As for sales, I believe uncharted will not be stellar like mw2 but in long term it will sell many MANY copys, like the first one did and will.

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pmartin25
Sunday, December 13, 2009 @ 8:15:56 PM
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Simple point, common sense will tell you that Modern Warfare 2 will outsell Uncharted by millions mainly because MW2 is multiplat. Also, why argue which game is ''better''? Who gives a damn. Play what you like, also If Uncharted was multiplat, it still wouldn't sell as many copies as mw2. It all comes down to a comination of advertising, fan base, friends are playing, and online, and obviously MW2 wins across the board. I have yet to play Uncharted 2 but I am sure it's a great game, but being a great game just doesn't cut it in overall sales unfortunatly.

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Buckeyestar
Monday, December 14, 2009 @ 8:25:11 AM
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I know people will disagree with me, but I have yet to see any contrary evidence on this. I have believed for some time that far too great a percentage of American gamers are twitch gamers, I will explain. I see it all the time amongst most gamers I talk to. They only care about killing things in a game and can't be bothered with story. Every single one of my game playing co-workers (a dozen or so) are hung up on MW2 and will ONLY play that. Not one of them has tried Uncharted 2 no matter how much I try to convince them. Even those who do play story centric games default most of their time into mindless shooters. But the majority can't be bothered with story, they just want to get on there and shoot things. I've been seeing it for years now. It's sad, but ever so true.

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Orvisman
Monday, December 14, 2009 @ 9:13:22 AM
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Blame the used game market.

Now, I buy the bulk of my games used -- mostly multiplat, 360, Wii, and PSP games (I have to because this hobby is too damn expensive) -- but I always buy PS3 exclusives like K2, U2, Infamous, LBP, etc... new.

Also, these numbers don't include retailers like Amazon and Wal-Mart, correct?

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JackC8
Monday, December 14, 2009 @ 11:06:25 AM
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I would have bought it, but I got totally addicted to racing games recently. Blame Kazunori Yamauchi for that one.

I will buy it - I promise!

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N a S a H
Monday, December 14, 2009 @ 5:37:33 PM
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This is the only game I bought this year because of my final exams which are fast approaching. I haven't even touched MW2, ACII or ANYTHING. But I still bought U2...

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Gabriel013
Tuesday, December 15, 2009 @ 7:38:37 AM
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I'm sure U2 had a fantastic story and there is no denying the brilliance of the graphics but I'm not buying it because I just wouldn't want to play it. I had a go with Uncharted 1 and didn't enjoy playing the game.
A great story and graphics aren't enough if I don't like the experience of playing it.

I'm afraid I don't earn enough to be able to buy the game to then have it sat on the shelf gathering dust.

It's one of those I'd sit and watch someone else play.

As for MW2, I might get it after a massive price drop, just for the single player. I don't care one jot for the multiplayer.

Fallout 3, Mass Effect and even Dragon Age are just much more my game playing style.

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Fane1024
Tuesday, December 15, 2009 @ 5:24:27 PM

If COD4 is any indication, you'll be waiting a long time for a MW2 price drop. They're still selling COD4 for as much as $50, when it should have been a Greatest Hit 15 months ago.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, December 15, 2009 @ 11:39:28 PM
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Copies of COD MW & WAW just dropped down to $39.99 at GS/EB, and for being used copies, they're still not cheap enough.

I only bought mine a couple weeks ago on one of GS's used Buy2, Get1 free weekends.

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