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Crytek: Piracy Has Hurt PC-Only Games

By now, most of you know that Crysis 2 will be available for the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 as well as the PC. But in addition to having the potential for more sales, there's another pressing reason Crytek went this direction.

In a recent PC Play interview with Crytek Director of Business Development and Engine Licensing, Carl Jones, we learn a few things about the process of delivering Crysis 2 to console owners. When asked about the CryEngine 2 and the licensing that went along with it, Jones said:

"Licensing a PC-only engine was made difficult in the last few years due to the changing nature of the games market itself. Piracy hurt PC-only games in terms of sales figures, so publishers and developers moved away from making such titles. As a result, console middleware was more widespread than PC focused technology such as CryENGINE® 1 and 2, but we have had some great successes and developers are working on great looking games that will launch soon, that started out on earlier versions of CryENGINE®. We’re happy with the quality we achieved, but circumstances limited the quantity of licensees we signed up. That won’t be an issue with CryENGINE® 3!"

Well, that's good to know; piracy is something that has plagued the PC world for years. They also continue to look forward to the CryEngine 3, which already has plenty of hype behind it. For our part, while we certainly understand the reasons for Crysis 2 to come to the PS3, we've always said to play a game based on the platform it was initially designed for. I.e., play Final Fantasy XIII on the PS3, play Bayonetta on the Xbox 360...play Crysis 2 on the PC. When a game is made with multiple platforms in mind - like most titles are - that's a whole different story. But in this case... Well, we'll just have to wait and see.

Related Game(s): Crysis 2

12/21/2009 10:53:49 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (71 posts)

OtisFeelgood
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 11:21:38 AM
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Pfft, Im playing Bayonetta on PS3. ;o

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hellish_devil
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 12:20:44 PM

Is it as good as they say??

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OtisFeelgood
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 12:55:17 PM

Some people didn't like the demo because of the cheesiness but I enjoyed it.......and I usually avoid cheesiness.

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hellish_devil
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 1:15:33 PM

But, about the gameplay, is it a button masher, or does it has a little bit of strategy?

PS: I never played a Devil May Cry

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 11:28:14 AM
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More proof of the death of PC gaming. Of course, there's piracy on 360 too.

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Mornelithe
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 12:01:34 PM

To be honest, I think it's simply less likely that we'll see huge-name games, come out as PC only. Whereas, PC gaming in and of itself is by no means dead or going anywhere.

One could argue that it's due to piracy, one could also argue that it's simply too lucrative to go multi-platform. But, for the most part it will still come out for PC, and well...hardware provided the results will be superior.

But still, that's merely the high-end market. What about card games? Mahjong? MMO's? RTS'? Chess and other board games. Poker and other casino based games that require little to no PC to use. You're telling me those are going somewhere? I just don't buy it. The x86 architecture is just too familiar a beast...for developers small/large to simply ignore. Look at how long it's taken to get 3rd parties to remove their collective heads from their asses and figure out properly what to do with the Cell.

Anyway, my thoughts are, you'll likely not see any PC only games any longer, and certainly not nearly as many as in the past (Wonder about Diablo 3 and SC2?). But you'll still see a thriving market there, simply from sheer numbers (220 million PC's worldwide capable of playing games).

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 12:06:48 PM

I think it becomes less and less likely to be embraced by the newer generations of gamers with each passing year. It really is for the old school players.

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 3:18:03 PM

You're crazy World. PC gaming is well and alive. Games like SC2, Diablo3, BFBC2, and anything Valve makes to name a few ensure that PC gaming continues to flourish. Sure the gaming scene isn't as cluttered as it used to be but I find far more duds on consoles than on PC.

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Highlander
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 11:48:26 AM
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This is just another pieces of proof that piracy is bad for everyone. Imagine all those freetard PC owners who think it's OK to torrent a game instead of paying for it. Their justification for their torrents and other breaking of protection on copyrighted materials has always been "Oh, I just makie backups." or "Well, I wouldn't have bought it anyway, I was just trying it out." or "Try before you buy!" and any number of other pointless and empty statements used in a half hearted attempt to justify theft.

Folks need to realize and recognize that piracy is bad for EVERYONE. Sure home brew freaks can blather on about how their custom firmware adds functionality, or allows them to play backups, or run emulators (which generally only play pirated ROMS anyways). But the biggest single feature of custom firmware or console modding is the ability to play pirated games. Sure it's dressed up as the ability to play from a backup disk, but that's not kidding anyone any more is it? The vast majority of use of that kind of feature is to play games that have been torrented and burned to DVD, and not paid for.

Time after time game developers and publishers have said this was a problem, and here is CryTek vocally being the latest example.

It's simple economics. Between the sales of new games lost to the trade-in market at GameStop and the like, and the rampant piracy that plagues platforms such as PC, PSP and 360, developers are losing significant numbers of sales. If a developer anticipates a market of 5 million gamers interested in their product, what happens if a third of that market either downloads a copy or buys it second hand? The market drops to a little over 3 million. I don't know about you, but my business couldn't withstand losing a significant fraction of my customers.

Whether people want to admit it or not, piracy is killing parts of the gaming industry. Get it through your heads people, the only way to get more games in the future is buying games in the present.

At least the PS3 is relatively secure, still. But for how long?

Gamers, consumers everywhere really need to start examining themselves and consider that their actions do matter. With so many people still attempting to steal games, music and movies by downloading them and not paying, should we really be surprised when companies in the business of providing such content try to protect themselves?

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 3:16:17 PM

Piracy isn't bad for everyone. Thanks to Piracy I was able to play MW2.

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tes37
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 4:27:47 PM

TheHighlander

I thought they already developed a way to cause glitches in games when they're copied.

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Hezzron
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 6:08:58 PM

@LV

You must be trying to get yourself thrown in jail or assassinated by the underground scene. ;)

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 6:16:40 PM

@hezzron73

Oh come on, it's like peeing in the shower. Everyone has done it.

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Imagi
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 6:58:08 PM

@LV

I pee in the sponge.

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 7:16:16 PM

Isn't that a sign of extreme gayness?

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The Doom
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 10:02:52 PM

@TheHighlander
off topic but whos the chick with the red hair mirroring kosmos? she reminds me of lucy from elfen lied, but i see no horns

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Highlander
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 10:44:45 PM

It's Mizuho Kazami from Onegai Teacher.

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Juanalf
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 11:55:37 AM
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I like many others don't have(and don't want)a 360 to play Bayonetta on(if only it had been released on PC as well).I do agree though that Crysis feels out of place in a console but I'm sure they want to make real money this time around.

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ohmikkie
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 12:10:31 PM
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For might part its a shame what piracy has done to the PC market. I've been a PC gamer for years and before that ZX Spectrum, Atari ST & Commodore Amiga. Never was into consoles until the latter half of PS1 era.

But I also believe that PC hardware market moves forward at a far quicker pace than the software tech. And moves too fast for most people to keep up. That's precisely why I decided to use me PS3 as primary games machine this generation. Having both a PS3 and an XBox is way cheaper to own than having to upgrade every 6 months.

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Highlander
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 12:17:10 PM

Definitely. The grind of upgrades on PCs is part of the problem there. However if you look around on the net, you can find without much effort just how rampant software (especially game) piracy is. Just make sure your browser is configured not to run javascript or active X, that your firewall is secure and that your anti-virus software is up to date. You don't want to pick up any unwanted visitors along the way.

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atomaweapon
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 12:15:39 PM
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The reason crysis sold like crap for pcs is not just piracy. When the game first came out, you basically couldn't play it unless you had a pc that didn't exist yet. I don't think quadcores were even out yet.

You had to upgrade your equipment with new video cards and processor and all that jazz just to play it. People pirated it to see if it would run on their pc's. When they found out it was basically a glorified demo to sell the engine, people didn't bother going out and buying it.

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Highlander
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 12:18:04 PM

Unreal Tournament sold badly, really badly. IIRC when it launched, the number of downloads that could be tracked on torrent sites out numbered the number of purchases.

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ohmikkie
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 1:32:48 PM

yep. quads were out. just. I'd just upgraded to an E6600 & Nvidia 8800gt then and that weren't enough.

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hellish_devil
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 1:04:53 PM
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You know Ben, I live in latinamerica, where piracy is everywhere. From softwares, music, books, and of course, videogames. You know, here (I live in Bolivia) people (myself included) are used to buy EVERYTHING pirate. Must people here don't know that there are original products because piracy has been here for a while. You can find PS2 games for 1,5$, and they are good quality. Xbox360 games for 5$. PC games for 1$, PSP and DS games cost you 0,5$. You know, before buying my PS3, I used to buy pirated games, cause that was (and is) normal to me. What surprises me the most is that a game that is released on (as an example) april 1, copies of it appear on april 3! And of course, they are just as good as the original copy!

Right know, there are even Blu-Ray movies that you can buy with 13$ (not much diference). But the worst is the music, where you can buy a complete discography with about 2$ (yeah, a complete DISCOGRAPHY!!) and you can find almost any artist you want, from Beethoven to Metallica.

That's even another reason that the Xbox 360 sells better, because the are pirated games for it. Most of my friends have Xboxs of Wiis, but just 2 or 3 have a PS3, because here we just know about pirated games. And,for me buying a game is a pain in the ass, because here PS3 games cost like 80 to 100$, and that is A LOT compared to the 360's games that cost 5$, and they are the same.

If there were pirated games for the PS3, I bet it would boost its sales, because in the ps2 era, EVERYONE owned a PS2, and that's because there were pirated games. I knew nobody that owned a Gamecube or an Xbox.

That's just my opinion

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Oxvial
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 1:36:45 PM

Yeah and when mod 360's get RROD they can't use the guarantee so they buy another 360 to mod that's another big reason of the 360 sales.



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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 3:55:56 PM

Um...well, pirating can't exactly "boost" sales because pirating is essentially stealing (although I understand your situation). If the people who provided the product aren't receiving payment for your enjoyment of it, the system really can't work, regardless of the reasons.

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TheJackyl
Wednesday, December 23, 2009 @ 5:18:43 PM

I'm wondering, did you guys in Latin America have any issues with Microsoft's huge ban of modded consoles?

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hellish_devil
Thursday, December 24, 2009 @ 12:45:37 AM

Well, I don't know, cause my friends that have a 360 just do not play online.

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Imagi
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 1:56:54 PM
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I use to know someone with a 360 that had lots and lots of games but only 1 was legit.

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cheng
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 2:08:03 PM
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and now we're gonna have to put up with all the elitists give out about how ps3 n 360 will hold back crysis 2's development...

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A2K78
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 2:15:11 PM
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This guy is really clueless, but piracy isn't just hurting PC-only games but its affecting the entire consumer market whether you are talking about the PS3, PC, 360, Wii, DS, etc. The very fact that MSFT banned many 360's prior to the release of Modern Warfare 2 demonstrate this.

Right now though the only part of the games market not really being affected by piracy is the coin-op(arcade) market because people like Namco, SEGA and Taito have gotten smarter in when it come to combating piracy by the way their game software and hardware is designed.

As for the issue of piracy, while I personally will never turn to piracy for moral reasons, I honestly don't blame individuals who turn to piracy.

People don't get the fact that the industry copyright cartel which have the aid of stupid laws such as the DMCA(Digital Millenium Copyright Act) and patents is driving people to piracy in the droves, but speaking about the games industry its not just the DMCA which is forcing gamers into piracy, but the fact gamers are being scammed into paying $60 and money for DLC. If games were really priced right(not fairly) gamers wouldn't be turning to piracy or the used game market but instead buy legit software.

"Whether people want to admit it or not, piracy is killing parts of the gaming industry. Get it through your heads people, the only way to get more games in the future is buying games in the present."

How can piracy be killing part of the industry when in fact its these game developers(like crytek) which is driving gamers to piracy? Again,it doesn't help that gamers are paying for seriously overvalued games and DLC/microtransactions, all with is driving gamers to piracy. All I can is if you're going to blame someone for the rampant piracy going on don't blame the pirates, but blame the industry itself.

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Highlander
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 2:27:28 PM

Tell me, how is it that makers of games, DVDs, movies, or music are driving people to theft?

Oh, is it because things cost money and you don't have enough to buy everything you want? Tough, try saving and then buy. You want to whine about the cost of games today, how about looking at the cost of games on the Atari 2600 or SNES and then applying inflation. Games are far less expensive than they were then.

Honestly I'm so sick of this BS, there is no justification for copyright theft. Your convenience is not sufficient reason for you to steal, not being able to afford what is (let's face it) a luxury item, is no justification for theft.

Copyright infringement aka 'piracy' is theft. I'm not saying that the tactics of the recording arts industry are right, far from it. the RIAA and others have used tactics that are criminal in their own right. But one wrong doing does not justify another. They are not right to trample consumers in reaction to copyright theft, and consumers are not right to steal copyrighted products as a reaction to perceived wrong doing by the industry.

If you walk into a Best Buy and apply five finger discount to a game, BluRay, DVD or CD, you are committing the crime of theft, right? So, tell me how using the Internet to accomplish the theft makes it any less criminal.

I'm not trying to get on a high horse or something, this is simple right from wrong. If we all know that stealing is wrong - and I'm going to assume that we do. Why do some consider it OK to download stuff of the Net instead of paying?

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___________
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:21:03 AM

no games cost a sh*t load more today than they use to.
i remember back in the PS1 days i bought crash bandicoot 3 for 60 bucks on release.
PS1 games use to release at 60 bucks a pop.
than PS2 games came out and they retailed for 90 bucks.
now PS3 games have released and retail for 120 bucks.
dont know about anywhere else, but game prices here have doubled since PS1 days.

hell even playstation magazines.
i remember they use to be 10 bucks back in the PS1 days.
and they were fan fu**ing tastic!
they had so many previews of games, game announcements and such months before the interwebs had it.
now days.
lets see, i picked up the latest edition of OPM AU and its got a few previews of heavy rain old, AVP old, army of two the 40th day old, darksiders old, bayonetta old.
and reviews for this months and some of last months games.
and that cost me 20 bucks.
anything i read in todays OPM AU mag i have read a month or 2 ago from IGN or whoever.
prices have gone through the roof!
gone are the days where a shave and a hair cut cut cost you six pents.
hell i got my hair cut the other day, cost me 25 bucks.
thats a long way from six pents.

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:42:18 AM

@anon

There is this thing called inflation, I'm sure you've heard of it, something to do with prices rising over time...

No, seriously, I can remember paying the equivalent of $40-$60 for games back in the early 80s. I know that if inflation is applied, those prices would be at least $100-$120 today. So, I think it can be said that games are cheaper now than they have been before.

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___________
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 6:38:49 AM

wait you were paying 60 bucks for PS1 games?
you live in the US no?
well aint that what ps3 games cost now?

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 11:30:26 AM

I was in the UK at the time of the PS1. The PS1 and it's games used to cost the same number of UK pounds as they did US dollars, you could literally take the us Price and simply change the currency symbol. The trouble was that the exchange rate of Pound to Dollar meant that we were always paying between 1.5 and 2 times as much as our US friends.

However I was referring to the prices of games for earlier consoles and home computers as well. Even in the US, the prices of games on older systems like th Atari 2600 or SNES are proportionately higher than the cost of games today, if you take inflation into account.

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A2K78
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 2:15:14 PM
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This guy is really clueless, but piracy isn't just hurting PC-only games but its affecting the entire consumer market whether you are talking about the PS3, PC, 360, Wii, DS, etc. The very fact that MSFT banned many 360's prior to the release of Modern Warfare 2 demonstrate this.

Right now though the only part of the games market not really being affected by piracy is the coin-op(arcade) market because people like Namco, SEGA and Taito have gotten smarter in when it come to combating piracy by the way their game software and hardware is designed.

As for the issue of piracy, while I personally will never turn to piracy for moral reasons, I honestly don't blame individuals who turn to piracy.

People don't get the fact that the industry copyright cartel which have the aid of stupid laws such as the DMCA(Digital Millenium Copyright Act) and patents is driving people to piracy in the droves, but speaking about the games industry its not just the DMCA which is forcing gamers into piracy, but the fact gamers are being scammed into paying $60 and money for DLC. If games were really priced right(not fairly) gamers wouldn't be turning to piracy or the used game market but instead buy legit software.

"Whether people want to admit it or not, piracy is killing parts of the gaming industry. Get it through your heads people, the only way to get more games in the future is buying games in the present."

How can piracy be killing part of the industry when in fact its these game developers(like crytek) which is driving gamers to piracy? Again,it doesn't help that gamers are paying for seriously overvalued games and DLC/microtransactions, all with is driving gamers to piracy. All I can is if you're going to blame someone for the rampant piracy going on don't blame the pirates, but blame the industry itself.

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fadin_illusion
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 2:31:07 PM
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as for me.. i never bought an original licensed game/software until i bought a ps3. infact, don't know a place in my country where original games are available on xbox360,pc.

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hellish_devil
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 3:06:04 PM

Yeah, me too

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Snaaaake
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 7:53:48 PM

Same here, my first original is UC2 and KZ2, and it's worth every penny.

Because of piracy my PS2 library easily go past 50 within 2 or 3 years.

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RadioHeader
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 2:42:24 PM
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My mates aren't keen gamers but a couple of them now have 360s purely for the fact that the games are free. I've often wondered if Micro$haft allow hacker-friendly hardware just to increase their fan base. Once they've monopolised the industry they may care more about piracy.

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Imagi
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 6:40:18 PM

Would not be the first time, they turn a blind eye to people in China who use pirated copies of Windows, because otherwise they would be using Linux.

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 3:21:58 PM
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PC developers need to adapt a similar business model that Valve uses. Sure you can all hate on them due to their lack of PS3 support but when it comes to PC gaming Valve has found a dedicated following. The combination of Steam and Valve's games makes it worth it to throw money at them rather than pirate a game.

I'd love for Crytek to throw out some figures in regards to this "piracy". I'm sure they've simply seen the money that can be made on the 360 and PS3 rather than it being all about piracy.

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Fane1024
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 4:42:05 PM

Again, it's not the lack of support. It's the trash-talking.

P.s. I wanted to use a different, more accurate word than "trash", but decided to keep it clean.

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LimitedVertigo
Wednesday, December 23, 2009 @ 3:33:01 AM

PS.

not

P.s.

Postscript is one word.

I understand what you're getting at in regards to Valve, no denying their comments towards the PS3 have been rather unpleasant.

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Fane1024
Wednesday, December 23, 2009 @ 6:40:18 PM

LOL

But I'm actually right. Though I had a typo (small "s") which I was unable to correct when I noticed it, the standard abbreviation used is "P.S.", because it comes not from "postscript", but from "post scriptum", which is two words in latin.

Though the OED apparently lists "PS" as the correct form, so let's call it a draw. ;)

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BTNwarrior
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 3:30:57 PM
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I am so glad that this is coming to ps3 cause the first one, while it would run on my laptop I had to turn all the settings to either medium or low. Now I will be able to enjoy it in HD like it was meant to be.

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 3:39:11 PM

I'll get it for PC like the 1st one and run it on the highest settings possible :)

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Kiryu
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 11:12:57 PM
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PS3 is the only system which has no piracy
Game developers should realise this and make their games PS3 exclusives to make more money!

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Geobaldi
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 11:29:31 PM

It's just a matter of time. Custom firmware updates have already been made, and other progress has been made as well. The PlayTV addon for example makes it easier since it's not protected at all. We'll be seeing pirated PS3 games soon I think. But as long as Sony keeps releasing updates, that will slow it down even more.

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:07:54 AM

Geobaldi,

Unless it's simply not being talked about online, there is no PS3 custom firmware. The closest I have ever found is an ISO loader for ISO images of a BluRay that works on old phat PS3 models because of their ability to run Linux, but the new slims don't have that capability.

However to make it work, you have to essentially brick your system which isn't a very convenient hack.

There was rumored to be a mod chip, but it involved something like 13 solder points on the motherboard which of course means disassembling your PS3. Not to mention that the first firmware update from Sony that followed would be incompatible. I also note that the device has not been mentioned since I first read about it months ago.

The PS3 uses encryption and system security built into the hardware, it actively senses for tampering. When they brought the Slim to market, the ability to run more than one OS was removed. This was supposedly for cost reasons - the hypervisor costs a license fee. But the ability to run Linux was a security risk for the PS3 - it was used in the exploit allowing an ISO image placed on the HDD to boot.

PlayTV is a USB add on that is treated like a combination of controller and data source for an application running on the PS3. I don't think that it represents a chink in the security armor of the PS3 at all.

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___________
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:09:14 AM

you mean to make less money?
it costs more to make games exclusive for the PS3 since most programmers are not inclined with the hardware.
and lets face it ps3 exclusives sales are less than respectable.

O and TheHighlander
give them a few weeks.
i know a guy in the city who is working on this and has been for the last 2 years.
it will take them a while but he says there dam close.
than sony will release a FW update and set them back to square one ;)
but seriously, i dont think the ps3 will stay hack free for too much longer.

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:15:43 AM

@Anon

Folks have been saying that for two years now. Still haven't seen anything close to a boot loader.

Either way, CFW on a PS3 is an easy ticket to a bricked system that's permabanned from the PSN along with your PSN ID. That's not an attractive package.

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___________
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:24:30 AM

yea i know its taken them a while.
but who cares if you get your PSN ID banned?
you get to play free games, obit not online but so what?
why do you think 360 piracy is so popular?
free games may not sound that appealing but when your buying roughly 1 game per week and each game costs 120 bucks that adds up too over 5 freaking grand a year.
do you have 5K to spend on games alone?
i sure dont.

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:50:44 AM

I see, so basically you're saying that it's OK to steal the games because you can and they're too expensive. It almost sounds like you feel you are entitled to have the games for a price of your own making. You're upset that they (games) cost money and that appears to justify the act of theft that game piracy is.

Sorry, I just don't get that.

Games are not a right or an entitlement, they are a luxury item that you pay for. And no, I don't have $5K to spend on games each year, but I don't smoke and rarely drink, so I do have some money to spend on hobbies and leisure activities.

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___________
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 6:37:26 AM

ahh where did i say that?
i hate piracy because of it there are no longer PC games like crysis.
if there was not piracy on PC crytek, ID, valve, DICE and most other previous PC exclusive developers would of stayed exclusive to the PC.

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 11:06:12 AM

You said it in different words, but the meaning is the same.

Quoted from your comment...
"but who cares if you get your PSN ID banned?
you get to play free games, obit not online but so what?
why do you think 360 piracy is so popular?
free games may not sound that appealing but when your buying roughly 1 game per week and each game costs 120 bucks that adds up too over 5 freaking grand a year."

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___________
Wednesday, December 23, 2009 @ 6:26:18 AM

no im saying i can understand why people do it im not approving of it.
if it was not for pirates RAGE, wolfenstine, crysis 2 and many other games would of been exclusive to the PC.
and probably would of been better because coding for 3 systems you have to take 3 weaknesses into account.
now instead of coding to PCs strong points they have to take all 3 into account.
thats why i was on the front line with flaming torch and pitchfork when they announced crysis 2 for consoles.

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SaintX
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 11:58:45 PM
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Most of the time people choose to buy pirated games is simply because they cant afford it. For example, in my country (Malaysia), piracy is f**king everywhere, and you can get almost any entertainment software pirated from blu-ray movies to computer software programs. The biggest reason why people in my country choose to pirate is because firstly, original stuff are just too damn expensive here and most people in my country cant afford to fork out so much money for one game. Not to mention, that there are really alot of gamers in my country, but a majority of them simply dont have the money to afford original, therefore, the way to go is to pirate so that they can enjoy gaming. Secondly, people pirate is because everyone here has been doing since they were young because piracy in Malaysia well simply put it this way, almost every household in Malaysia has a pirated stuff, or almost everyone in this country bought a pirated stuff before. Its just in our culture to do that now. However, the main reason of piracy has always been because people simply could not afford it.

Then again, since ps3 is unhackable at the moment and the playstation brand is very strong in my country, people still find ways to purchase ps3 games even though its original. Quite proud that theres a strong ps3 community in my country.

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:13:49 AM

"Everybody is doing it" doesn't make it right.

I understand the disparity between countries like Malaysia and the US. I'm not about to feel guilty for being born here and not there, but really, the economics isn't a good reason, and neither is "everybody is doing it". If everybody did it and no one could make a sufficient return on the cost of production, no one would be in the business of making games, music, movies or TV. It's simply not sustainable.

And as annoying and paradoxical as it is, piracy raises the prices because game developers have to cover their costs and so charge more for a product that they know will sell to a smaller audience. Sure it's not a great idea, but are they supposed to just eat the losses?

I'm sorry, I don't have an answer to the disparity between economies, no one does. But you know what, as an analogy, I would love to drive a Rolls Royce or a BMW, but instead I drive a 15 year old Nisan. The reason is pure economics. I don't like it, but it's just the way it is.

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SaintX
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:24:29 AM

Yes, I understand that "everyone doing it" is not a good reason, but its just how the way thing works in my country at the moment, sadly. Besides that, people in my country are pretty cheap to be honest lol. I mean seriously.
Anyway, what IF theres a pirated version of a Rolls Royce or a Beamer. A complete replica of the original, everything is the same from the perfomance and technical aspects but the cost is way way cheaper, and you could afford it. I know it won't happen but what IF? Would you purchase it? Come on, it is extremely tempting, don't you think?

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:45:50 AM

Tell you what, if Kia can produce a reasonable facsimile of a BMW for a reasonable price, I'll be in the line to buy one, would that count? ;)

I understand. Like I said, I don't have an answer, and I really don't know how anyone can really address that problem, because as you point out, culturally, there is no stigma or shame attached to it, and economically speaking, there's no alternative.

The problem for me is that people here in the 'rich' countries who can afford it, justify piracy on the basis that everyone does it, and actually reference countries like Malaysia to support their case.

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SaintX
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 1:38:09 AM

Yea I guess you can count that as well if KIA were to produce one. lol.
Anyway, yea its not right for those 'rich' people to use the justification of 'everyone is doing it' as their reason for piracy. However, its just the mentality of people in my country even for the rich ones. Our mentality has always been 'If I can get this product for just $3, why the hell would I want to pay $60 for exactly the same product'. People here just don't see beyond the consequences of buying pirated like what will happen to game companies if people don't buy their original games. Guess people are just selfish. Well I have to admit that all of my PS2 games were pirated, shame on me, they were like US$1.50 per game though. However, now I've got a library of over 20+ PS3 games now (obviously original). Honestly, I really hope that the PS3 will remain unhackable, simply because I really support game developers that produce PS3 exclusives liek Naughty Dog, Insomniac, Guerilla and many others, and I want people to actually buy their games originally to support them for all their hardwork they put into so that they get the return/rewards that they deserved.

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 2:19:52 AM

@saint,

Long term if systems like the PS3 remain pretty much unhackable, it will have a far reaching impact, because it will force people to take more notice of copyrighted goods. Perhaps companies like Sony could look more closely at markets like Malaysia and other countries to see if there is a way to sell their products in those markets that works better for those markets. Even so, as long as it takes $XYZ million to make a game, games will have to cost $50-$60 (USD) to allow developers to make enough money to stay in business.

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SaintX
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 5:36:45 AM

Yea well at the moment Sony Malaysia hasn't been doing much to promote the PS3 or do anything to discourage piracy or anything at the moment. If only I could get a job there, then things would have been different hahahaa :P
Anyway, in Malaysia, we don't have any retail shops like Gamestop that sells original games. Even supermarkets here don't sell any games, for example like in the US, where walmart, or bestbuy do sell games. That could be a reason why people never thought of buying original because its actually more difficult to find shops that sell original games. lol. Heck, we don't even have a ratings boards to rate games over here. Well thankgod for that, if theres actually a ratings board here, then I would say almost all games would be banned here in this country because of certain extremely "conservative" group of people here. Well if you live in my country, then you would understand what I mean.
Anyway, games sold in my country are basically by people or shall I say vendors who purchase them from two Big suppliers who supplies games to all the shops in Malaysia. That is why when purchasing games here, we can choose games from other regions. Each region are priced differently. At the moment, Region 1 games, which is the US are priced more expensive. Not sure the reason though. Maybe because region 1 games have more DLC or something like that. However, most people still purchase region 3 for online purposes.

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 11:26:53 AM

I won't pretend to understand the political and religious landscape in Malaysia, but I will say that we have our fair share of overly conservative people in the US, we're just fortunate that none of them are currently terribly close to the seat of power.

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SaintX
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 11:44:14 AM

Well good for you and your country. These 'conservative' people are pretty close to the seat of power. Well some are pretty close and some are actually sitting on the seat of power. So thats why good thing we don't have a retail shop for games or else you would probably only get Wii games on store shelves Lol, while the rest gets banned.
To provide a better insight on how conservative my country can be is by taking an example of watching movie in a theatre. Even though the movie is rated 18-sx, which means only 18 and above. The show still gets censored, even kissing scenes get cut off. Kissing man!! kissing!!! why the f*** would they still rate the movie if the whole f***king show were to be censored. After censoring scenes in the movie, the movie is basically suitable for general audience, and yet they would not allow people below 18 to watch. Saying that these people who rates the movie are dumb is an understatement. That is why these 'conservative' people are actually sitting on the seat of power. So sad :(

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:37:14 PM

My apologies, I meant no disrespect. I sympathize with your situation.

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SaintX
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 2:30:09 PM

Lol, dont worry about it. Used to these sort of stuff happening already. So as everyone else. Best solution to enjoy these entertainments is to torrent it. In this case, we don't have much choice. Can't even get original dvds or blu-rays if a particular movie is banned in my country. Can only blame those 'conservative' people who decides on what to ban. As a result, these are the people who leaves us no choice but to pirate in order to enjoy those things that are banned in the country.

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___________
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:08:01 AM
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ahhhh ben isent that the same reason?
there both relating to sales no?
anyway.
crytek better not dumb down the PC version for consoles otherwise im going to be seriously PISSED!

its really disappointing this is why the PC industry has gone down the sh*tter.
because developers are no longer creating exclusives for the PC, so now there limited to what they can do and now because of that the quality of PC games is sinking.

hey crytek gave us crysis on old crappy 9800GTX video cards, imagine what they could give us today.

crysis 2 on PC better make me crap my pants the way the original did otherwise crytek is getting some angry phone calls and letters.
same goes to valve, ID, basically all previous PC exclusive developers who have now sold their soul to the devil.

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Banky A
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 2:51:01 AM
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I just played Team Fortress 2 for the first time at my mate's place today.

;)

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