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Premium PSN Subscription: Well Worth The Investment?

We've known for a while now that Sony is planning to institute a premium subscription for the PlayStation Network, although we remind you again that the basic service - including full online access for playing games - will remain free.

A recent market survey shows us some of the ideas Sony is currently toying with, and a lot of these features might be very well worth the price of admission. I mean, read what we might be getting for a nominal fee: exclusive in-game content is almost always a bonus, one-hour game trials sounds totally bad-ass, unrestricted access to the inventory of PSP Minis and PS1 classics, and oh yes, you may have noticed the mention of cross-game chat in that survey. However, most will agree that the latter option should come standard with any PSN membership; we really shouldn't have to pay extra for that one. But for the benefit of other rewards and extras, including music sharing, early access to Store content, cloud storage space for games, loyalty program rewards, and even Netflix access without the currently required disc...well, it could very well make our PSN experience that much better. The cost? Well, they're looking at three subscription models, starting at $29.99/year and ending with the top option at $69.99/year.

You know, this could really separate the PSN from Xbox Live, which already forces you to pay for a variety of options and features that aren't anywhere near as intriguing, in my opinion. We're hoping to see some official news on these Sony premium subscriptions some time very soon...

12/21/2009 8:54:24 PM John Shepard

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Comments (121 posts)

Charger7302
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 9:39:06 PM
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If this turns out real, i will be both saddened and excited. 70 smackers a year is a WHOLE LOT of money for the proposed service, but that 1 hour game trials sounds completely bada$$.

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newchef
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 10:35:33 PM

its only about $8 a month so its really no tht bad

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gumbi
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 8:10:54 AM

careful newchef, that's the exact same excuse I get from xbots about why paying for XBL is 'really not that bad'

shudder...

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fluffer nutter
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 11:17:12 AM

How does 69.99 for a year equate to about $8 a month? We only have 8.7 months a year? Really?

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fluffer nutter
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:55:59 PM

Okay. I saw that they will be offering a month-to-month fee for the prospective buyers. Just give a straight, one time trial fee for a low price and if people want to stick with it, then sign up for the year.

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JAMES M
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 3:22:55 PM

what do you think the price will be in uk. 70$ works out al about £43 or do you think they will have it at 40 to equal xbl or raise to 50 to rip us off as usual

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Doosharm
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 10:00:27 PM
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"unrestricted access to the inventory of PSP Minis and PS1 classics"

Unrestricted as in free? If so that's pretty awesome. At the rate they're putting out the PS1 classics I can see this being a huge money saver. Add in the other bonuses and I think $70 is a pretty fair price. That's less than $6 a month people. Just go to McDonald's one less time a month and you can afford it.

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godsman
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 11:18:38 PM

The problem is that there aren't infinite PS1 games. Eventually, you'll run out of the PS1 games that you wanted to play. I was thinking of getting the $69 for a year, then downgrade to $29.

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englishgolfer
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 3:45:14 AM

ps1 classics are a no starter here in euroland - unless you have a fetish for disney games. that's all we get (almost).

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Titch1794
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 4:21:21 AM

Yeh, pretty crappy huh englishgolfer. TBH I'm really not interested in Tarzan.

Wheres my 'Croc 2', 'Tekken: 1, 2, 3' and 'Spyro 2', I know USA have it :@.

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Banky A
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 2:20:27 PM

On the contrary, the Disney games are what interest me most, besides the classic RPGs.

I just love the Disney atmosphere ;)

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JcBball717
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 10:06:56 PM
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WOOW these things are amazing, they should screw the idea of making a premium PSN and just make it all free!!!

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Highlander
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 10:14:20 PM

Yeah, don't charge for anything, lose billons of dollars and go out of business! Yeah!....er...wait, that's not right.

Last edited by Highlander on 12/21/2009 10:14:31 PM

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hellish_devil
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 10:22:38 PM

I was dreaming the same....until I realized that dreams do not come true =(

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Highlander
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 10:13:40 PM
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unlimited access to the catalog of minis and PS1 games would be a dream ticket for PSP gamers, can you imagine how vast your game library can become, all for the price of a retail game? That's worth it.

Cloud storage is something I like the sound of. Something that was mentioned before was access to the PlayStation Stores in other regions. I think this would be worth the price of admission.

I personally don't have a problem with them making people pay for cross game chat since it's not something I care about at all, on the other hand, it's not something that should be charged for.

I like the extended game trials and early access, they sound like good ideas, it almost sounds like a premium version of Qore.

So long as the current features of the PSN that are free always remain free I think people will be OK. The new premium service must be an actual service or additional content (or extra access to content), as these are not simply firmware features but actual products or services that are provided as extra. It needs to be marketed under a name that ensures it is not confused with PSN, after all PSN is free for all, so the new services bundle needs to have a name that conveys that it's new, additional, premium access. Perhaps it's time for the PlayStation Nation to get a name?

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Jawknee
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 10:19:17 PM

What's cloud storage? Like the network saves storage from the other day?

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Highlander
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 10:52:31 PM

Yep, the 'cloud' is the 'Net, so cloud based storage or cloud based computing, or pretty much anything to do with computers that's described as cloud based, means that you access whatever it is via the Internet. Cloud Storage would mean you could push data up to the PSN (or whatever they call their solution), and use it from any PS3 where you log in as you (it'd probably be secured by your PSN ID).

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Jawknee
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 2:01:28 AM

Word.

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Wage SLAVES
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 2:32:18 AM

Because cross-game chat isn't something that breaks the free online experience I actually agree with it being premium content. They will probably have to set up individual dedicated servers to do it so it requires money.

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Dridion
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 3:24:36 AM

@TheHighlander

I herd over at IGN that Sony filed a new patent called Qriocity. They want to keep the whole "Q" thing going like Qore and Qrio <whatever the hell Qrio is>. So that might be the services name.

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Titch1794
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 4:29:30 AM

@ Didrion

If you put 'Qriocity' into google the headings of the web pages are all about Sony.

Good call Didrion.

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 10:33:07 AM

Cool information Didrion, that's interesting to know about. I'll have to Google it later as well.

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Banky A
Wednesday, December 23, 2009 @ 12:22:08 AM

Haha, Qubex 'Q' seriously might be on to something! He is a time travelling smart cookie.

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Dridion
Wednesday, December 23, 2009 @ 6:22:30 AM

No prob. It's a psx member's duty to keep us all informed. ;)

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Swavey
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 10:18:17 PM
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i would pay for this just for the unlimited access to the ps1 catalog. since i have never owned a ps1 there are many many gems that i have missed out on. you know they will keep adding stuff to the list of what you get as a premium member as time goes on too so it all sounds good to me. i say bring it on sony!

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BikerSaint
Thursday, December 24, 2009 @ 4:54:45 PM

Hmmm, 'Qriocity...

I think this is Sony doing it as a double meaning(like a play on words) because if you say it out loud it actually come out as.....
"curiosity"

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Jawknee
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 10:21:01 PM
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I hope they dont expect us to pay this to get Netflix intergration into the XMB. Everything else sounds fine, but come on. Hook us up with a patch for Netlfix for free.

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kevinater321
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 10:27:19 PM
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I'm in. When should we be expecting this? and i sure as hell hope i can buy subscripion card in stores outside of us cus we all know how long psn card took to make it to Canada!

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Xbox_Killer
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 10:29:48 PM
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No thanks.

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kevinater321
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 10:32:16 PM
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I also hope that the adds for this don't pop up everywhere. Like if you are just browsing the store and there are adds for psn gold or whatever it is called all lined up along the side! Urrg that would grind my gears!

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Gone
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 10:38:11 PM
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Sony also mention that they would extend your warranty for 3 years with the premium service.

Sony has increased the price of repairs on the launch consoles to $179.

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Highlander
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 10:55:06 PM

I like the idea of an extended warranty with the premium service.

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godsman
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 11:28:11 PM

Well there's a catch, I believe you have to remain a premium account for 3 years. thats $69.99 x 3 = $209.97. You get your money's worth only if you are a big time downloader from PSN store. Considering how reliable PS3's are that warranty aren't so interesting.

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:34:30 AM

No, but considering how much I've spend on PSN, an a la carte access fee might be the way to go.

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phade2blaq
Friday, December 25, 2009 @ 12:45:36 PM

I'll say now and I've said it a thousand times before, there is a design and/or parts flaw with the family of Playstation game consoles !

I've ahd them all and I've had to send them to Sony for repairs multiple times !

I can't ever recall having to send my Nintendo SNES, N64, GAMECUBE, Wii, Sega Dreamcast, Saturn, or XBOX for repairs !

I've sent my PS3 3 times to Sony for the same exact issue, it stopped reading discs ! Same issues I had with the PS1 and PS2 coupled with them overheating !

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OtisFeelgood
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 10:39:26 PM
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Do it for $40 or $50 and we'll have a deal. ;o

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BTNwarrior
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 10:40:17 PM
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as long as the only things you get for the service are things you have to pay for already than I am all for it, but it would be dissapointing is sony started charging us for things like cross game chat and netflix.

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Highlander
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 10:55:53 PM

Agreed, a bundling of existing pay content for an a la carte price would be fine, but paying extra for something that's already free is out.

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godsman
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 11:16:36 PM
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Well. considering that some games are like 5-6 hours long only, that 1 hour trial is almost 20% of the game. Haha... well worth the investment

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godsman
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 11:26:01 PM
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I say the premium account should have free rewards for gamers with platinum trophies. It encourages people to play more. The reward could be anything small like a free Little Big Planet outfit.

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___________
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 11:28:33 PM
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according to that table there looking at 4 options, 3 being 70 bucks and 1 being 30.
saw that table a few days ago and while the stuff there i like and would pay for, but 70 FREAKING BUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the SDF have been teasing the xbots that there paying 50 bucks, so this will be interesting how they try to defend that.
70 bucks?
GO JUMP!
and to add insult to injury 50 bucks on XBLA gets you everything and anything.
but with that table for the PSN no matter which category you choose your missing out on something.
cant find the table otherwise i would link it, but no matter which subscription you choose your missing out on 1 if not several features.
so let me get this straight.
im suppose to pay 70 bucks, 20 bucks more than XBLA, and still miss out on some of the features?
yyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaa
good luck with that your gona need it!
they should of made it 3 subscription fees.
1 20 bucks with limited access, 1 40 with most and another 70 with FULL.
or something like that, no one is going to pay 70 bucks and still miss out on a few things.
thats USD to i think, so convert that to AUD i could buy a whole freaking game for that price.
no thanks!

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Highlander
Monday, December 21, 2009 @ 11:44:00 PM

Does $50 for XBL get you unlimited access to the entire library of PS1 classics on the PSN - or anything even remotely similar?

You're making a false comparison. The PSN already in it's current form gives 95% of what XBL gives, only it's free. Sony is talking about additional services and enhanced access to content for a fee, nothing else.

Honestly, It almost seems as though you are deliberately mis-understanding this. Are you trying to play the Devil's Advocate?

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godsman
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:05:23 AM

Yea, I'm actually looking forward to pay.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:41:19 AM

You obviously don't have an Xbox 360. If you do, I strongly suggest logging on to Live and comparing what even the top membership offers in comparison to the $70 deal. It's no comparison, really.

Furthermore, it's not like it's $70/month. It's per YEAR. You can't afford $8 per month?

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bigrailer19
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:53:41 AM

i cant afford $8 a month so what...
its either that 8 bucks or dlc for a game most months! i dont know im a little upset about this whole having to pay for this stuff... live, has access to a shi* ton more xbox games that PSN has towards PS1 games. but really Sony has been all about free. i know theres a line where they have to start charging but to spring this on people after free service since the PS2 days isnt right in my opinion.

To make it fair honestly they should give every current Playstation owner atleast 2 months months free kind of as a trial. Shoudl be something like that for new owners as well. With the PSN being free and 2 months of the premium service free could push a system also. Thats just my thoughts ill be happy if Sony rewards current owners with that atleast.

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___________
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 6:06:56 AM

its not 8 bucks a month for me, its more like 15 bucks knowing how sony convert USD to AUD than add some garnish on top.
no ben i cant.
im already spending 120 bucks a week on a game, sometimes i buy up to 3 games a week in busy months like october when uncharted 2 came out i bought that, brutal legend and opp DR on the same day.
360 bucks gone in one week.
if im paying 70 bucks a year i should have access to EVERYTHING! not a little of this, a little of that and forget that.
as i said they should have 3 subscriptions.
1 with little but the cheapest, one with most for a little more, and one that gives you everything.
if sony thinks im paying 70 bucks a year and still have to pay more to access and do whatever i want on the PSN they have another thing coming.
O and why pay for PS1 classics when you can get them for free?
ive got all my old PS1 titles sitting in the closet.
just download a CD ripper, convert it into the proper files and you can play it on my PSP.
or just use the disk for my ps3.

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elguito
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 2:33:25 PM

i dont know were this $8 is coming from when u do the math it comes out to just about $6

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Qubex
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:05:52 AM
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I wouldn't mind paying that per year for those extra goodies; I don't know about the top rate though! For example, in Singapore, I wouldn't be able to use the Netflix option :)

I feel this subscription model will vary hugely from region to region... doesn't make business sense of course. In the Singapore store I still cannot purchase Braid or Trine; I have to do that via the US store.

Q!

"i am home"

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jaybiv
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:10:02 AM
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This subscription idea is the reason why video gamers will never be taken seriously by the industry. They know consumers in this market make decisions based 90% on emotion and not logic.

Sony has no clue what they are doing so they are floating these "ideas" around to see what will stick. Their biggest selling point has them in a corner, while MS continues to rack of extra scratch for XBL. Sony wants some of that dough, but how will they be able to get it from us? Just because customers tell you what they want in a subscription service, doesn't mean they will pay for it; and if they do, they may not pay for long, especially when the free stuff (mostly online gaming) is what makes XBL valueable to their users.

I will say that all the services listed, the cloud storage make sense to me. It would be cost-prohibitive for Sony to absorb all the costs of providing this service free to all. And as a gamer who would love to do more gaming with friends on the road, I would like to be able to play using my profile on my friend's system. I'm not sure if I would pay $70 per year for that though.

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 10:36:03 AM

Standard procedure in market research is to use surveys and focus groups. The only way you can know what your consumers want is to ask them and listen to the answers. Sony gets slammed for not listening and ignoring their supposed customer's wishes, and then they get slammed (by you) for trying to listen. Are they supposed to have ESP and read our minds? Really, they're damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

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jaybiv
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 11:32:24 AM

Yes the use of surveys and focus groups are used to "listen" to customers. In doing so, you identify issues are having with your product/service and then add/delete/enhance features to address those problems.

Sony is not using it in this way. It is trying to gauge what they can charge us for without having the slighest clue as to what we want. They are walking into this blind as almighty.

All they have to do is take a quick peek at their forums and they would know what is most important for customers.

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randomname
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:16:13 AM
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This would have to be better than XBL to make it successful. Also, I don't think people with both consoles would pay for both. Count me in if all the stuff they add is really worth it. :)

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LittleBigMidget
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:22:02 AM
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I took the survey and these features look very promising. I mean token wagering? I would love that. Though maybe they should consider making trophies more useful. Like using them as PSN currency

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Rhys Keyne
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:24:14 AM
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Well, I'm for it! My older bro had a PS1 when I was younger, and I still got fond memories of games like Final Fantasy 7 and 8, Chrono Cross, Castlevania, and the list goes on and on. If paying $70 a year means I can download those cherished pieces of my childhood (maybe Chrono Cross will hit the store, who knows), I'd be more than happy to give that to Sony. Problem is, I still got my stock 80GB HDD. Think I need to upgrade for this ambition...

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:44:14 AM
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Nice deal, not for me unless I become rich but still doable.

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BG_921
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 1:08:43 AM
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I am sure $8 a month sounds like no big deal for most, but I couldn't afford that and I wouldn't do it. That is the main reason I decided to purchase a PS3 (through lay-a-way). I know it is "premium service" but still it just seems that the people with excess money get to have a full experience while us PS3 fans without the resources could be stuck with a watered down experience. I trust Sony though, and hopefully everyone can still have a great time on the PSN...

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bigrailer19
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 2:33:37 AM

thats my point too!

In my current situation i can not afford $8 a month. sure its only $8 bucks but that $8 bucks buys me 2 gallons a milk in that month actually 4 gallons to be exact! yeah i go thoruhg milk!

Point is the PSN is so excellent because its free and Sony gains a lot of respect for that!

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BG_921
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 3:47:31 AM

Well nice to know I'm not the only one lol.. I hope people don't think I am bashing the idea. I love it, but I know I won't be able to have access to it. So I will enjoy my free PSN, like others have said we basically already get most everything for free. Keep up the good work Sony! They keep making the PSN better, faster, and more reliable.

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 10:42:19 AM

Excuse me, but that is true of everything in life. When you fly, you pay for coach, or Business class. Are you gonna whine and moan because some use Business Class while others are in coach?

When you're eating MacDonalds and someone else is enjoying their all you can eat fillet minion at Texas De Brazil, do you hammer Texas De Brazil for Charging a premium over McDonalds?

Hell, even better, when you're sitting there with your double cheeseburger meal, do you look enviously at the additional piece of bread, lettuce and special sauce in the Big Mac and then loudly proclaim that McDonalds is denying you the full Big Mac experience by charging more for the additional items that separate your basic double cheese burger from the premium Big Mac?

I'm not meaning to be inflammatory, I'm just taking the gist of what you said and applying it elsewhere. Sony is under no obligation to provide paid content to everyone for free, so if it's paid content, what's wrong with offering different payment structures and packages to access the paid content?

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Juanalf
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 1:17:24 AM
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Sounds great to me, I hope it comes true.

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Gabriel013
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 1:23:07 AM
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I hate this idea to be completely honest with you. How about Sony drop the incredibly stupid in game content idea (unless it's multiplayer maps) and charge for online multiplayer like XBL instead. I know which one I'd rather have free and which could be bundled into a deal I have no interest in paying for.

Those things listed are not worth $70 per year.
I'm really surprised that Sony are going the Microsoft route rather than just charging a nominal fee for the whole lot.

I'd bet that the $30 option includes just the one or two weakest functions.

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 2:05:37 AM

They aren't worth that to you, so why is it a problem if they are worth that for someone else? You don't lose anything by the option being available to those that want to use it.

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johnld
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 3:20:02 AM

charge for online multiplayer, no thanks. thats what xbox is doing and its pretty retarded that you need to have a gold membership to play online.

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:22:22 PM

@John,

Read the articles. They are NOT charging for online multiplayer gaming. They will not charge for it, all currently free features and services remain free.

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Fane1024
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 5:13:34 PM

@High

I think john was responding to what Gabriel said.

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Deleted User
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 1:31:43 AM
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Ok. Getting access to the MINI stuff and PS1 might sound nice. But I would only do this if I could DOWN LOAD ALL THE PS1 games for 70 a year AND still play them IF I stopped paying 70 for the next year. 70 for all the ps1 games you can get is a steal imo.

However, if this only allows you to PLAY the PS1 games and doesnt allow you to KEEP the games, then I would not want it.

Now as for the issue of paying 8 dollars a month..... If you pay 15 bucks a month for a mmo, ANY kind of mmo, you pay 45 a month for cable, THEN you pay 8 bucks a month for the service, NOT INCLUDING ANY GAMES YOU BUY FOR THE PS3 and HOME stuff, then all that adds up quickly. I got better things to spend all that money on.

End of Line.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 1:42:52 AM
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According to the tables on the 2nd chart, they're thinking about a few different price choices for paying either yearly, or by paying a monthly fee.....

1. 69.99 a year - or - pay 9.99 a month

2. 29.99 a year - or - pay 4.99 a month

My thinking is that no matter what Sony does, needs to keep the total price well below MS Live's price-point(just for bragging rights alone).

I really don't like the premium fee idea at all, but if Sony does go ahead with it(as I'm most sure they will do), then my vote for any premium fee would ONLY be for a 29.99 a year or 4.99 a month deal.
(and that's only if they include EVERY SINGLE THING listed in the charts).


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Highlander
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 2:07:49 AM
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People, go to the link and read it. Existing services that are free, will remain free. This is all about additional content and services. PSN already gives us 95% of what XBL gives, only PSN is free. That doesn't change at all. This is an optional service that you can choose to pay for is you want to, not a mandatory thing. I really do not see why everyone get's so tied up in knots over this.

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LowKey
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 4:28:27 AM

It's because some of us are considering premium PSN. But we want more bang for our buck. As it stands now, there is no way I'd pay for such stupidness. 1 hour demos for 70 bucks a year? Buck that. Gimme good stuff, like credit towards dlc every month, new avatars anyone? How about an upgraded browser? Custom soundtracks through the XMB would be nice. CGC should be free, Playstation programmers don't work hard enough on the operating system to deserve to charge for CGC. All this stuff that could make the PSN better and they're talking about 1 hour demos. Now ask why people are upset high.

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 10:44:28 AM

Fine you want more bang for your buck and don't think that the proposed options in the survey offer sufficient value, say so. But I see people reacting to this as if Sony is somehow stealing something from them, or forcing them to pay. The thing is, this is a survey, not a product announcement. Until they announce a product, what's the point of all the negative stress?

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Fane1024
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 5:24:00 PM

A negative response now might result in a superior version of the proposal being implemented later.

They floated the idea to get a response. People are responding to the idea.

I for one will never pay a monthly fee, no matter how much supposedly comes with it. The only way I'd even consider the idea would be if I were guaranteed to get at least twice the cost of the subscription in things I would have otherwise certainly bought (e.g. $100 worth of free PSN games for a $50 yearly fee).

Otherwise, I'd prefer to stay a la carte, even if it costs me a little more over the long run. I have no objection to that sort of plan, though.

However, if they withhold cross-game chat (or other features that should be universal) in order to strongarm people into buying the premium service, they should be ashamed of themselves. That's not the Sony I know.

It only does everything...providing you pay extra.

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LowKey
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 5:29:18 PM

I know what you are saying there man, I don't know much about the survey though. I'm totally in agreement with you on the whole people complaining as if they are being forced to pay. I thought you meant people like myself complaining that what they are talking about offering. Sorry Highlander ^_^

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LowKey
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 3:12:04 AM
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The only thing that sounded even remotely interesting is the unrestricted access to PS1 games. Everything else just sounds kind of dumb. Sorry Sony, make it worth my money and we'll talk. I don't feel like paying money to play a game for an hour. Sorry Ben that is a rediculous notion that has only ass written all over it. Why would Sony toy with all those price points? We all know they'll go for the most expensive one. Like I said make it worth my while and we'll talk. Also theres no way I'm paying any of that fee for anything to do with Netflix, not that I have anything againt them. It's just that I'm Canadian and we don't get the 'flix lol.

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OverlordZero
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 4:31:30 AM
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Im actually all right with paying for a few of the services mostly Cloud Storage and for the PS1 Classics, and few others. I just wish Sony would put universal in game streaming somewhere in there.

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OverlordZero
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 6:37:19 AM

universal in game music streaming is what i meant to say

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daizycutter
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 6:28:59 AM
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theres is no way i will pay to play online unless they improve the connection quality of online gaming on the ps3

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LowKey
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 7:28:42 AM

There is no pay to play online, how many time does Ben have to say it. I've said it at least a million times. Ben mabey you should put that all in caps, or mabey put it in brail for those blind people.

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 10:45:52 AM

@Lowkey

Indeed. Perhaps a short soundbite that plays when the article is opened stating clearly that present services that are free remain free, including playing online for free.

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JackC8
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 7:20:24 AM
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I might pay $30 to download every PS1 game that even remotely interests me, but there's more awesome PS3 games than I've got time to play, so I'd probably skip it.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 8:09:38 AM
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"early access to Store content" - if they are gonna charge for that I'm gonna god damn cancel my msn network account. There should be a limit to the greed displayed.

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gumbi
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 8:14:21 AM
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I'm kind of indifferent on it. As long the basic features remain free, I'm cool.

The only thing that will miff me is exclusive game content... cuz I'll be automatically missing out on it since I will NOT pay extra for PSN... ever. Instead of exclusive game content how bout make it free to subscribers and available on the store for non subscribers, at least then we're not left in dark.

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rogers71
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 8:30:54 AM
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Why can't everyone that is complaining about 'in game music' step back and realize that Sony put that in and it is the game developers choice whether to make that available for their game. Sony has done that at least. As far as paying for a premium service....UHHHHH....NO WAY.

They have said that they will keep playing online free but if everyone bucks the idea for premium service and Sony doesn't see the return they thought they would see. Well, I could see Sony eventually making you pay to play online. That will be a sad day indeed.

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OEice
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 8:34:29 AM
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This sounds great !
Although I would only get the 30$ one, the other ones are great for people who use the PSstore alot.
I only want the Cross-Game Chat, so for me, the other things such as the 1 hour trials and User-to-user Challanges are a great bonus :)

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Buckeyestar
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 8:58:29 AM
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I just want to know when the heck we're going to get some new avatars. The selection now is pathetic and most completely suck.

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Ricochet
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 9:29:34 AM
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"unrestricted access to the inventory of PSP Minis and PS1 classics"

Well worth the $70 a year since many of the games ranges from $5.99 to $9.99 and I all of them are awesome.

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 10:46:52 AM

That option also included the premium themes (presumably the interactive ones as well). That's definitely worth a look.

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NeoHumpty
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 9:59:39 AM
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Haha. I've been putting off buying the FF's because they're $10 each, but now I'm thinking of paying $70 for them. Yeah, I'll subscribe to use it for a year. My girlfriend loves the classics. I'm pretty much done with ps1 other than one or two I like to have on my psp. I've never understood people's fascination with CGC. I have a phone. But honestly, there are so many good full games coming out lately that I can't keep up enough to worry about PSN games. I haven't bought any since before U2.

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jerocarson
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 10:23:11 AM
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Who ever can not pay should sell his/her PS3,
Sony is No charity Organization.
Thank you!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 10:58:16 AM
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I'm sorry, I just never knew people had such an aversion to services that, in any other world outside video and electronics, would of COURSE cost money. It's a service. And the majority of it will remain free ANYWAY. Don't be so spoiled.

And you know, I just have to say...if you can't scrounge up eight bucks a month, you're either not working or you need some SERIOUS help handling your budgeting and finances.

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BG_921
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 11:25:20 AM

You don't know people's situation man, its easy to sit back and say things like you need "serious help" budgeting or we "aren't working". I know how easy it is to find a job right now, its the best it has been in years. Also, $8 a month is an extra meal for a family. Some people have to actually consider these things, I know its "premium" so in my situation I will avoid these things. I look forward to getting negative feedback on this one, but whatever.

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:24:14 PM

Couldn't agree more Ben, there's a whole lot of over-reaction and lack of reading comprehension going on in this article's comment section.

@BG_921
And? No one said that these additional premium services are mandatory. Nor did anyone tell us we're all entitled to the additional services and content for free, but now we have to pay. All they said is that what's currently free remains free and that they are considering some premium access to certain PAID content and NEW services.

Ben's point I think was that if you're currently a PS3 gamer and actively buying games then you should be able to afford this new service. Of course he's not dis-respecting those who are out of work or on a tight budget, but come on, if someone is out there buying a new game every month or two, they can afford this, they just have to make a decision as to which is their priority. That is, I think, the point he was making.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:33:41 PM

$8 will not feed a family. It will barely feed one person for one meal. Don't blow this out of proportion, please.

I remember having no money. I remember surviving on about $500/month (in CT, where everything is more expensive than you can probably imagine, if you're elsewhere). People on WELFARE can afford $8/month. It's just a ridiculous assertion that it's unaffordable, regardless of your situation.

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BG_921
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 2:01:32 PM

I do think an extra $8 would buy an extra meal for a family. I experience this first hand every month. I also don't buy or have people buy me new games every month or so. I buy used games or find them cheap on Amazon or eBay. I know it isn't a mandatory service, I stated I would just stick to my free service. I don't think people on Welfare could afford it either, unless Sony accepts Food Stamps or an EBT card.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 3:05:04 PM

I've seen people who supposedly need food stamps have better TVs than I do. I've also seen people use food stamps to buy cigarettes and lottery tickets.

There's a whole lot of things that don't seem right. $8/month is just fine for 99% of this country's population, and that's that.

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jaybiv
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 11:47:07 AM
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Had Sony come out with a subscription service at launch, I would have been down with that. The issue is that they are now looking to get back what they gave away. That's not fair to the customers, many of whom, purchased their system believing the services were free.

Their new tagline, "it does everything" would no longer apply for those without the subscription service because they will not have access to everything.

Why are some of you blaming the consumer and labeling the reluctant as cheap? Sony is in business to make money and it's not our faults they did not fully flesh out their PS3 business plan before launching the product. They chose "free online" as a way to differentiate themselves from the Xbox, and they did.

Consumers are being nickeled and dimed on every product we purchase. Sure, some of you live high on the hog right now and can afford it, but wealth can be taken from you in an instant. This I know first hand.

The bottom line, and I alluded to this in my earlier post, the video game industry will continue to find ways to get our money until we stand up in a united front and tell them NO! But we as a whole won't do that because video games is an emotional purchase. We buy games based on our feelings for developers, publisher and what not.

I love playing video games as much as the next guy. Heck, I've been playing them since the home pong games in the mid-70's and have played nearly EVERY system sold in the U.S. But I don't feel some sort of need to "tip" Sony or any gaming company for their service/game.

If this subscription is similar to Qore, where buyers get access to content and demos, I could care less. But if this services includes new features with the exception of cloud storage, then that would be foul. JMHO

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fluffer nutter
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:25:16 PM

jay, I agree with the assessment that they (Sony) are trying to get back but only monetarily. They are wanting to provide additional content, at a price, in order to gain more users, make the interested users happy and thus, making the company money so that they can stay operational and supportive of their gaming systems.

Now, your comment about the "It only does everything" losing value is incorrect. Charging for a service doesn't mean that the PS3 cannot do everything. It will only do what you are willing to pay for. If you don't have a Bluetooth headset for online gaming, then does that mean that "It only does everything" is false? Surely, by your account it is.

How are consumers being nickled and dimed? I understand that many people are against DLC but do you really have to purchase those things? Believe it or not, there are plenty of users out there who do not even have their PS3's connected to the internet. I don't think they're being nickled and dimed. If you don't want something, don't purchase it. It really is that simple.

Look at every other industry out there. Food. Restaurants and fast food chains offer tiered items. You can go ala carte or order sides. Hit up a burger joint and you have the option of increasing the size of your additional items. Car manufacturers work in the same manner. Buy a base model and you get a stripped down, affordable model for entry level consumers. You want the sport suspension, upgraded interior, more powerful engine, premium sound, then by all means, go for it. I know that some of you will want to chime in and state that luxury car base models will have more than just stripped down options and you are correct but look at what you're talking about. A luxury car that is not a necessity.

The premium content, that Sony will be offering, is part of a luxury service for those that want it. We know it's not for everyone because it is impossible to please everyone. I'm sure that many of you are reading this in disagreement and that's fine. Not everyone can look at it from both angles and just walk away from something that we don't want to purchase.

What is wrong with giving consumers options? The more choices we have, the more influence we have. You want to rally against this? Then do it in the right manner and design your petitions so that they can be taken seriously but do it with an open mind to be able to understand why this is good or bad and why people would reject it, with good intentions, or go full-fledged.

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:29:02 PM

How are they getting back what they gave away? Everything you currently get for free, you continue to get for free. Your comment makes no sense to me at all.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:37:04 PM

jaybiv: You're not being "nickeled and dimed" for anything. Products cost money. Selling a multi-million-dollar project for $60 isn't a rip-off, especially when you consider the fact that games cost the SAME amount with far less technology and when the dollar meant a lot more...15-20 years go.

I'm sorry, but all of that isn't really logical; it's illogical bitterness. Like I said before, I had no money for quite some time. Years, in fact. I remember the bitterness and believing that everything cost an inordinate amount of money. But in the end, if we can manage to be objective, nothing about gaming is more of a "nickel and dime" process than any other entertainment venue on earth. Do the research yourself and you'll understand what I mean.

Trust me, there's a vast difference in how we see things depending on how much money we have. Don't let it cloud the facts.

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jaybiv
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 1:01:22 PM

Two points:

1) Sony is trying to get back what they gave away. They had a chance at launch to institute a subscription service. They thought by going free it would force MS to do that same and they didn't. Now Sony is trying to get in the game. So they gave away the chance to create a subscription service and is now trying to get it back. Again, if they bundle content and betas then it's no biggie. But to give premium users access to special system features would be wrong. It has never happened on the PS3 to this point so they would be taking away from gamers.

2) American consumers are nickeld and dimed. What the new marketing agenda for many companies? Bundling. Bundle this and bundle that. Why? Look at cell phones. You got phone service, text/mms, video, and now applications. Cable or satellite television. MP3 players. Every where a consumer goes, we are being nickeld and dimed after the initial purchase every where we shop.

I'm not anti-big business, not in the least. Instead of labeling people as cheap, take a look at what corporate greed is all about. We are only dollar signs to Sony, AT&T, Verizon, the NFL, etc. Everyday they are conjuring up new ways to take your money without caring about what they sell you.

Again, if Sony wants to bundle content (videos, games and betas) I couldn't care less. They would be offering added value.

Now, if Sony is looking to add system features, which have been free since the system's launch, for a fee, then that would be wrong in my opinion. Sony set the expection at launch and should honor their business decision.

If they launch a PS4 and have a subscription service for features, then that is ok too because the expectation would have been set at launch.

It's funny how MS has a subscription service to play games online when they were the ones who gave away their Internet Explorer browser for free when Netscape was charging customers for what once the dominant browser on the market.

I'm not going to get mad or bitter with whatever Sony comes up with. If it doesn't move me, I won't buy. I'm just giving my thoughts on the topic.

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fluffer nutter
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:10:59 PM
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It's funny to see the people who are replying , angrily, and have completely missed the main point. What we have now for free, is free and will not be taken away. You get that? Playing online will still be free. You will still have access to the PS Store. Look at all of the content you will get with the paid service. That's a lot. Break out a calculator and look at what you'd be saving, if you're interested in those items and services. I know I am. I will wait and see the official listing of what's available but I am most likely going to jump on the premium tier.

If Sony do plan on making things expire when you are no longer paying for your service, then I think that they should do a one month trial for a very nominal fee. Imagine if they said, "Sign up for one month for only $4.99 and have complete access to what you would have with the premium tier service." Let the people taste what they can have and if they still don't like it, then after the month, they can be back to what they already had because they obviously wouldn't miss what they really didn't want.

I see TheHighlander, Ben and many others replying and defending the paid subscription and with good reason but we all know that some people will ALWAYS complain if they are charged for things instead of being paid to do them. It's as if they have been wronged for being consumers and they have a right to everything for free.

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:33:48 PM

Fluffer, good sense as always.

Sadly I think this comments section (and the one recently discussing game piracy) is a case of the culture of entitlement strikes again.

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jaybiv
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:38:11 PM

We are all commenting on speculation at this point, but there is a good beef for consumers based on the ideas being floated.

And it is Sony's fault because they CHOSE to undercut the 360 by offering their online services for free. Had Sony offered even a token subscription service at launch, then this would be a moot point. They didn't and now they run the risk of ticking off a lot of people depending on how this subscription service shakes out.

If this premium service is a more robust Qore, I couldn't care less. But if Sony is going to give premium users special system features, again with the exception of cloud storage--I see this more of a luxury that would bring a sustained cost to Sony, then it would be a problem.

Since Nov. 17, 2006, Sony has been busy building its PS3 online and features infrastructure to catch up to its main competitor. The firmware updates were applied across the board to EVERY PS3 owner. Now to have a situation where some owners get system features, let's take in-game chat for example, would not be right.

As much as consumers can't expect everything to be free, companies cannot expect to charge customers for everything. Just as consumer have a choice to buy a system, Sony has the choice to make a system. They chose to make a system with free online and system offerings.

Look at it this way, how would you feel if your favorite restaurant started charging you for water? Or gas stations added surcharges to use the nozzle to pump your gas?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:54:32 PM

Dude, look at what you're saying. You think gaming is somehow doing something that other industries don't do.

Restaurants didn't always charge for water and some still don't. But they also didn't charge for a wedge of lemon, and now they do. They didn't offer bottled water, for which they can charge for and now, some ONLY offer bottled water. I.e., you can't even get water without paying for it.

You think the music industry doesn't do this? You think movies don't do this? The industry that charges three times more for a ticket than it did 25 years ago, and yet, most all theaters still use that same 25-year-old technology with the same freakin' seats and same crappy sound?

You think your cable company isn't going to charge you for adding new channels and new services? They'll just slip it in all stealthily like in your next bill and unless you complain, you might not be able to get rid of it.

You think structural changes in your insurance (health, auto, etc.) policies won't alter how much you have to pay? No, you didn't do anything different but your monthly payment has changed for the worse.

These things HAPPEN, my friend. It's called...the world.

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jaybiv
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 1:07:29 PM

That's my point exactly B Dukat. Companies only see us as dollar signs. Their bottom line is driving up profits to give to shareholders. Granted, that is the goal of a for-profit entity, but is that the right way to do business?

As for your music and movie comparison, that is why more and more people are going online and downloading the content for free.

If corporate America took more time to be upfront and honest with consumers, then maybe folks would be more willing to buy into their product offerings without expecting the world for pennies on the dollar.

Companies cannot have it both ways, something that consumers have always known.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 3:11:30 PM

Speaking like someone who doesn't really understand the nature of business. ;)

My family has owned their own business for 27 years. I and many other members of the family are self-employed. Maybe you're not aware what this entails (far more hours spent at work than anyone else, 15% self-employment tax that goes on TOP of income tax, quarterly taxes, a never-ending battle against liberal-minded idiot labor boards, etc.), but I suggest not complaining about "corporate America" when many of the people you're accusing of not being sensitive to the "average joe" are under more stress than you've ever wanted to imagine.

The entire world is looking for handouts, in my opinion. Nothing is anyone's fault and the phrases, "it wasn't my fault" and "that's not my job" need to die. Those who wish to progress don't complain; they do. I'm not saying you're one of these people, I'm saying that not everyone in business is a multi-million-dollar CEO. In fact, 99.9% aren't. 40,000 new businesses are forced to close their doors each year. The ones that don't, you apparently don't like because they make money.

The bottom line is that to complain like this accuses the consumer of being retarded. It says they all pay for things they don't want. As far as I can see, nothing here is mandatory. It's all optional and if people pay for it, how exactly is the business at fault...?

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SvenMD
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 3:33:09 PM

Have you guys met my friend Joe the Plumber? I'm sure he'd like to say a few things.

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godsman
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 12:49:42 PM
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I understand why people are upset that this isn't free. That's cause PSN is supposed to be all free. People probably bought the PS3, under the impression that all future stuff are free, (even the stuff they never dream of) are meant to be free. All of a sudden, Sony draws the line, and say this is as far as we go when it comes to freebies. So gamers get upset.

I'm not a hardcore gamer, I am happy with all the current free stuff. The PS1 titles will never be free, so paying a fee to get access to them is reasonable.

Stuff like the 1 hour trial is a bit crazy. It's nothing more than a demo, except that in demos, they select the best scenes of the game for you to try. Imagine playing an RPG, but spending the 1st trial hour just to setup the character names and watching the opening scene... then (to be continued)

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 1:53:15 PM
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Give me the options to pay for what I want, and I'll be a happy man.

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elguito
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 3:18:52 PM

that's the best idea I've heard so far

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Banky A
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 2:23:01 PM
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Hmmm. I mostly like it but I'm never going to sign up, that's what the Xbox 360 is for ;)

Quite an uproar?

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Clamedeus
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 2:57:23 PM
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Don't like the idea to pay, never liked to pay for anything except for some DLC, PS1 titles. But that's about it.

I hope Cross-Game chat and other firmware updates like that will remain free.

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Arvis
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 3:35:31 PM
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The bottom line is: you're not being charged to play games online with your friends. That's the only really important issue here.

-Arvis

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rogers71
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 3:52:57 PM
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Ben..Highlander..

You guys are wasting your breath trying to explain your argument. There are just some people that aren't happy unless they are complaining.

Perfect example..my last job gave everyone a significant raise a couple of years back. The percentage they gave turned out where almost everyone got a 99 cent raise. Amazing right? There were still people calling the company cheap..their reasoning..they should have given everyone a penny more and made it a 1.00 raise.

I agree with everything you guys are stating. I said before that I would not pay for a premium service. That is my choice. I am not mad that Sony is going this route and it doesn't undermine their stance towards online play being free. I'm out!

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 4:32:13 PM

Wisdom.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 4:47:34 PM

Good enough for me. Don't want it, don't get it. No bother.

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thj_1980
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 5:53:46 PM
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This idea still bugs me that the fact Sony is going to charge preminum for other stuff but still this stuff won't matter, but maybe in the future they will start getting more funky little ideas could well change PSN in to an XBL

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LowKey
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 6:16:15 PM
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I'm only giving suggestions as to what they should be offering. If they are going to offer premium services then they should offer stuff that will better the PSN, not 1 hour demos.

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NeoHumpty
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 9:52:44 PM
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Just dawned on me. If you’re going to offer a “Premium” PSN experience…..would that include unlimited access to “Premium” avatars?

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just2skillf00l
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 @ 10:46:44 PM
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Yeah, some people are just spoiled. As Arvis and rogers71 and the other logical people have said, if you don't want it, don't buy it! They're not forcing this content down our throats as some people are making this seem. They are merely providing us with the OPTION of purchasing this material for those that want it. Those of you who are whining because this isn't free really need to understand what they are already doing for us, for FREE, and put a lid on the whining bottle you possess. The free stuff they have already given us is enough for me and a lot of other people out there. While 360 owners are dishing out cash for their timely online subscriptions, we are saving that and putting it toward other things. So, those of you spoiled people who feel like Sony is trying to pull a fast one on you, just remember, there is an option presenting itself and only by your consent can they charge you for the premium service. Like almost any other premium service out there, you have to agree to it. So what's the uproar about? I fail to see the dynamic issue that boasts it's whereabouts here. This is clearly a misunderstanding by the people who feel they are being cheated.

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S8N_666
Thursday, December 24, 2009 @ 10:22:08 AM
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As many times as the PS3 Dies That would be the least of my concern. Until the PS3 Is HALF as good as the PS2 on stability as far as Dieing or YL'ting That is the last thing I wanna do is pay my Repair fee for 2 years of a premium account that I may never see complete use out of before my 4th system dies yet again. Which it is I can already See the same patterns starting, Graphical Items appearing that Shouldnt be and Constant Freezing, Mark another Dead ps3, soon.....soon.

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phade2blaq
Friday, December 25, 2009 @ 12:38:32 PM
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LOL ! $69.99 is a bit steep ! I think Sony should price the premium services between $19.99 and $49.99 !

With that $69.99 package I hope it includes a free one time repair for the faulty PS3 systems Sony still sells !

I've owned a PS1, PS2 and I have a 60GB PS3 ! I've spent more time sending my consoles to Sony's repair center than I have playing them !


Come on Sony you're going to charge for cross-game chatting ! That's absurd !

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