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Sony Seeking Alternatives To Cell Architecture For PS4

I think most of us are hoping the PS4 is still a long ways off, but that won't stop Sony from conducting the appropriate research.

We've already heard whispers of the new PlayStation and it seems we'll be seeing a bit more in the way of news and details in 2010. According to Kotaku citing Japanese website PC Watch, Sony is apparently "looking to alternatives to the PS3's Cell architecture," and a few early ideas have included the Cell and Intel's Larrabee. Sony passed on this latter concept because they want "a bit more horsepower," and they might now be working on new designs featuring a multicore CPU. At this point, most analysts don't believe we'll see the next Xbox or PlayStation until 2012, although Nintendo may release a high-definition version of the Wii before then. Thing is, it takes a while to design and ultimately produce a brand new machine and besides, consumers do need some time to acclimatize themselves to each new generation. Sony continues to insist that the PS3 will have a 10-year-lifespan but of course, the PS3 could stick around for quite a while after the PS4 arrives. Just look at the PS2.

Whatever they decide to do with the next PlayStation, Sony should never forget that their popular brand name has been built with the excellent software that has been available for their consoles. Oh, we shouldn't worry...they haven't forgotten yet, anyway.

12/28/2009 9:17:51 PM John Shepard

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Jawknee
Monday, December 28, 2009 @ 10:00:14 PM
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Baaaah, hope the analysts are wrong. 2012 is too soon.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, December 28, 2009 @ 11:18:13 PM

far too soon.

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to_far_apart
Monday, December 28, 2009 @ 11:35:53 PM

Can't afford for it to be that soon, my wallet is cringing already hahah

Well, one positive thing is that they're now starting to think about the developers here, because we all know it took developers to get comfortable with the cell processor. Why not keep the processor, just add something to it? Just an idea haha

If a PS4 does come around soon, the only thing i ask for is, backwards compatibility. My PS3 is backwards compatible, but how about a more rock solid one, maybe play every PS brand game? PS1 - PS3? A little ambitious, but that would help a lot of people decide haha

Either way, good to see sony looking at different things, I'm not looking to buy another console for years to come, I'm happy with how it is right now.

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Fane1024
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 3:54:54 PM

Exactly.

They know how to program for the Cell now; keep the basic architecture the same and they'll be able to make the transition as easily as if it were a standard PC architecture.

PLUS THE PS4 WILL BE ABLE TO PLAY PS3 GAMES WITHOUT ANY EXTRA EQUIPMENT/EMULATION!

(sorry about the caps; I thought the point deserved shouting)

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randomname
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 5:52:34 PM

And the wand is barely comming out next year.

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BikerSaint
Monday, December 28, 2009 @ 10:01:07 PM
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If Sony want's a real 100% winner, the PS4 better have B/C with "EVERY" prior Playstation console too.

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Highlander
Monday, December 28, 2009 @ 11:30:54 PM

To be backward compatible with the PS3 Sony has to either include the CellBE in the design, or use a PowerPC based processor and include a Toshiba Spurs engine. The Spurs chip is the SPEs from teh Cell without the PowerPC core, so that along with the IBM Power 7 would be an ideal platform to emulate a CellBE on.

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Gregory Freeman
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 2:15:10 AM

if they move away from CBE and don't support ps3, then il go microsoft..

nah joking... might buy a sega jupiter

XD lol

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 2:55:32 AM

How does stating facts about a computer architecture get a thumbs down? What was I too close to the truth? Cue the X-Files music.

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Nynja
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 8:25:09 AM

@Highlander

Maybe they don't agree with the SPUR suggestion for backwards compatibility.

Or

Probably because to some, you might as well just speak Chinese.

Or

Just some tool running through all the comments giving thumbs down.

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neighber
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 6:18:10 PM

And or a Cd Changer, so i dont have to switch out disk, or 2 lasers ps2 and ps4 to be compatible with all.

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 1:56:14 AM

Well, those 3 thumbs down can't be because I said the PS3 should be BC with every PS gen, so the thumbs down's must be just for me.

Like I really care...
so F*ck all 3 of ya!

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LittleBigMidget
Monday, December 28, 2009 @ 10:07:30 PM
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Maybe they'll come wity something bigger than Blu-ray. And a processer 140x powerful than the current CELL. And I would love for MS to back into the HDVD market again. I know it won't but wow

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dveisalive
Monday, December 28, 2009 @ 10:08:48 PM
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screw that p3s is my last console because PS4 is gonna be expensive. It's gonna have even more horse power, shoot it might come close to pixar in a way, who even knows? Im sticking with PS3 and my future Nintendo HD etc....

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Bugzbunny109
Monday, December 28, 2009 @ 10:25:46 PM

I doubt that Sony will make the same mistake they made last time. The ps4 will come out at a reasonable price with reasonable technology. This is why they are being methodical...

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, December 28, 2009 @ 11:19:27 PM

You say that now...

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to_far_apart
Monday, December 28, 2009 @ 11:37:05 PM

hahahaha very true world

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Alienange
Monday, December 28, 2009 @ 11:42:06 PM

@ Bugzbunny109 - Their last mistake? Which one? The PS3 or the PSPGo?

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Bugzbunny109
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 12:14:11 AM

Ps3

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inkme101
Monday, December 28, 2009 @ 10:14:52 PM
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nintendo CEO said there will be NO wii HD. can u imagine the price tag on ps4? the ps3 was what? 600 bux when it launched.

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Blaiyan
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 8:46:44 AM

They also said the wii wasn't go to get a price cut...

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NeoHumpty
Monday, December 28, 2009 @ 10:26:31 PM
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Frak! Guess I should go and get in line at K-Mart now. lol. Nah, I'll let it sit on the shelf until it drops a couple hundred bucks. And if it isn't b/c, it's a deal breaker this time. I'll go PC, I swear.

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godsman
Monday, December 28, 2009 @ 10:47:49 PM
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I think the PS4 will be cheap. It will probably launch at $399 at most. The main reason the PS3 was so expensive, was because Sony was trying to drive the blu-ray market.

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Scarecrow
Monday, December 28, 2009 @ 10:57:24 PM
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Multi-core CPU! Now that sounds tasty!

But still, a long ways off (damn these analysts and their boring lives)

They're trying to INFLUENCE US AWAY FROM THIS GENERATION

They're seeing the ps3-shift (domination) and want to minimize it by moving the generation ahead with these damn news. (wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft is supplying them with this news lol)

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Highlander
Monday, December 28, 2009 @ 11:28:48 PM

IBM Power 7, meets the description as well as leveraging the existing development tools and skills.

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bigrailer19
Monday, December 28, 2009 @ 11:21:24 PM
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2012 seems to soon, cus the PS3 is hitting stride late in its life but really its almost right on time with past console generations. I would personally like to see new consoles no earlier than 2013 or 2014. I would welcome the PS4 with open arms but it best be leaps above the PS3 otherwise it'll be a let down i guess. I guess what i mean is if the PS4 is released and its technically not far superior then, 2012 would be to soon!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, December 28, 2009 @ 11:22:38 PM
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They should keep the lid on this crap, it really makes me sick to hear that a generation which has barely begun might end in two years. I don't want to hear anything until 2014. I mean really, even with Uncharted 2 out they say there is still more to be done with the PS3. I know it will last well into the PS4's cycle but that's not the point, it will be a second class citizen then. Just keep making games on this system because even now it isn't mastered, and if they release a PS4 there will quite literally be NO games for it.

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Alienange
Monday, December 28, 2009 @ 11:51:53 PM

You said it.

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Highlander
Monday, December 28, 2009 @ 11:28:16 PM
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Power 7 with a spurs Engine for the Cell compatible SPEs.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, December 28, 2009 @ 11:36:24 PM

I have no idea what you just said but I like it.

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Highlander
Monday, December 28, 2009 @ 11:52:24 PM

Power 7 is IBM's upcoming multi-core processor design in the Power PC family. The cell processor uses a PowerPC processor core along with 8 SPEs (these are special processor cores more optimized for math than general computing). The Power 7 also includes technology designed for the Cell processor, think of it as a member of the same processor family as the Cell, but a different branch of the family tree. When Sony sold Cell manufacturing to Toshiba, Toshiba started making something they call a Spurs Engine which is essentially a Cell processor without the PowerPC processor core and cache memory.

The Power7 will be IBMs most powerful processor yet, when it makes it to market. So it will be powerful enough to meet the demands of the next round of consoles. Adding in a Spurs Engine from Toshiba would provide the SPEs from the cell to allow a PS4 based on the Power 7 to be backwards compatible with the PS3.

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___________
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 12:48:53 AM

dident that get canned when IBM announced there stopping production on cell based CPUs?
from what i remember they want out of the whole cell manufacturing market and are sticking to the good old multicore road.

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 3:01:34 AM

No the PowerCell8xi is the last Cell architecture chip, nothing beyond that will be developed, it wasn't the Power7 that got canned, it was further development of the Cell project beyond the PowerCel8xi that was canceled.

The Power7 is a PowerPC processor not a Cell architecture processor. However the technology used in the SPEs and the internal bus of the cell might be used to enhance that design. Power 7 is a multi-core PowerPC processor.

Here's an article at ArsTechnica about the Power7. No mention of any specific Cell technology involved, but the chip is a monster.

http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2009/09/ibms-8-core-power7-twice-the-muscle-half-the-transistors.ars

Here's a link from about a month ago quoting the usual Dutch sources claiming a version of Power7 specifically engineered for Sony will power the PS4.

http://forums.nzgamer.com/lofiversion/index.php/t14700.html

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Nynja
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 8:22:33 AM

Highlander;

What are your thoughts on which processor is better designed for gaming? Personally, I think dumping the CELL could lower the generation leap we Playstation fans have become accustomed to each new console. I suppose the SPUR could provide that expected horsepower we get from the PS3 when coupled with a multi-core PC based processor. Then that raises the question on system cost. In order to maintain backwards compatibility, the nVidia RSX chip would need to be included as well. Unless some engineers are able to emulate the run-time environment.

Although not ready for a PS4 purchase, I am ready to hear more info on the architecture. Some people are into muscle cars (Ben) and some into FLOPS.

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junglemunquay
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 10:21:36 AM

@TheHighlander...

Some of that explanation was pure poetry!!!

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 12:30:14 PM

@Nynja,

Well, I think that the Power 7 ought to be about 10 times faster than the Cell BE overall. It depends on how things develop over the next couple of years assuming that Sony wants to use this chip in a couple of years time it will need to shrink, become cheaper, and use a fraction of the energy it currently uses.

The Power 7 is about 10 times faster than the Cell BE for Double precision mathematics. The Cell had a simplified version of the PowerPC processor core, the Power7 uses a PowerPC core with every bell and whistle available, and it uses four, six or eight of these PowerPC cores. Even if the PowerPC core in the Cell were as powerful as the ones on the Power 7, it only has one, the Power 7 has up to eight. Each 'core' on the Power 7 has 12 execution units, there are 7 different kinds of execution unit including four Double Precision floating point math units. That means that on an eight core Power 7 chip, there will be 96 execution units in total, and 32 Double precision math units. You can think of these double precision units as being similar to the SPEs on the Cell.

Each of the cores on the Power7 can handle 4 threads or processes at once, so an 8 core chip can handle 32 simultaneous processes. The theoretical maximum performance of the Power7 is pegged at about 256GFLOPS per 8 core chip. That's double precision floating point operations. The Cell was capable (with all 8 SPEs running) of nearly the same number of GFLOPS in single precision, but in Double precision it was closer to 25GFLOPS. Power 7 is intended to be used in dual processor configurations so a dual chip module is capable of half a TeraFLOP - double precision.

Now, at this moment these monsters draw more power on their own (800 watts) than the original PS3 system did. So it will have to get smaller, cheaper and use less energy by the time Sony uses it (assuming that they do).

The reports I've read suggest that Sony will get a streamlined version tailored to the task. If that is the case that would help reduce cost, and energy consumption as well as reducing the transistor count and increasing th process yield.

Time will tell.

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bigrailer19
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 1:14:51 PM

Yep! I like it! ;)

off topic: Highlander- Although most of the stuff you speak of i dont understand in the slightest. Reading your comments actually makes me feel smarter! I really learn from you. So i just wanna say thanks for posting and sharing your knowledge!



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Alienange
Monday, December 28, 2009 @ 11:51:03 PM
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I couldn't possibly imagine all those moms and grandparents being excited about an HD Wii. What would Nintendo do? Release HD versions of their motion enhanced Gamecube games?

As for Sony developing a PS4, I suppose that's unavoidable. But talking about it now after only having had the PS3 for three years seems kind of premature and the media's sad attempt at garnering attention.

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Highlander
Monday, December 28, 2009 @ 11:52:55 PM

MS needs a new console generation sooner rather than later so they can bury the 360 and it's reputation.

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Alienange
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 12:20:09 AM

Agreed. And in that respect, they're a bit of a wild card.

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___________
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 12:46:01 AM

no they need to put their tail between their legs, admit they were bettered and go back to what they do best.
copying college students, creating a OS off it and making millions.
i almost fell of my bed, and pissed my pants of joy when i found out M$ word is going to be banned from shelf because it infringes with patent another companies WP uses.

there releasing natal for a reason, to try and drag out the 360s life, till they can get the R&D done.
if they have another stuff up like the RROD next gen they can kiss their monopoly goodbye.
id be very,very,VERY! worried if i was M$, times have changed.
in the past they copied or infringed on something, they threw cash at it and the problem disappeared.
but recently they have tried that, and have lost many cases.
only a matter of time till the lone wolf catches smell and hunts the dripping bloody caucus.

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 2:59:01 AM

Yes I'd prefer them to tuck their tail and run as well, but they won't and the only way forward for them is to somehow erase the 360. What's funny is that to some extent they wanted the 360 to erase the original black and green behemoth...

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SvenMD
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 8:21:46 AM

@____: How can you say that if they have another RROD that it will be over for them?? They had the RROD the entire life of this console and THEY STILL SELL THEM, because for some reason people are still buying them.

I think your logic would be true if consumers would stop buying a known defective product and actually drive MS to create better products....but right now they don't have to... They just have to keep Bungie on their side.

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Alienange
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 9:36:38 AM

@ TheHighlander - You know what's funny? If MS does come out with a new console to try and erase the past, would they be starting a next gen, or simply starting this one?

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MyWorstNightmar
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 12:12:30 PM

Sony may feel they have to beat Microsoft to the next gen.

Look what it did for the 360 beating the PS3 to market? They put out a piece of RROD garbage, but becuase they were first, and people made an initial "investment" in games, when their system would break, they didn't want to pay for a $600.00 PS3, and then games on top of it. They simply figure it is cheaper for them to buy another 360, and not let their investment in games be in vein.

Theory being that whichever is first (PS4 or XBOX720) will rule the generation simply by being first available to the consumer. For this reason, Sony might feel a need to beat Microsoft to be first out for the next generation of consoles, even though the PS3 would serve us plenty well for the next 5 years or beyond.

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___________
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 6:46:50 AM

because as i said companies are starting to wake up and stand up against M$.
in the past and up until now companies have been scared to take M$ to court because there such a large company, in the last few years companies slowly have been stepping up and winning.
other companies are seeing this and saying if they can do it so can we.
M$ had a stranglehold on the market, any issues, lawsuits were put to bed by M$s checkbook.
companies are not putting up with that anymore.
most recent case being this company who wrote a part of M$s microsoft office word and M$ did not get permission from them to use it.
so they took M$ to court and won.
if M$ released their next console with the failure rate of the 360 they would get the pants sued off them.
companies were scared of M$, now there not so M$ has to either ship up, or move out, otherwise there going to be taken to the cleaners.

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Charger7302
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 12:03:15 AM
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As long as the ps4 has horsepower to last a couple of years, not where developers use up its entire horsepower in less than 2 years hence the xbox360. And something thats reasonably priced.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 12:09:03 AM
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It's just that... talking about it now makes it look like the PS3 didn't live up to expectations when there is still a long race to be run.

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___________
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 12:40:25 AM
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yea, my first guess would be the power PC.
i remember hearing IBM were working on a 2 PPE, 32 SPU version of the cell in the ps3.
now that would be interesting, same architecture so BC with ps3 games should be no problem, and should have no problems running a ps2 emulator.
5 things sony really need to get right for next gen, o and need to fix this gen.

1 BC is a must, for good, not for the first year of launch.

2 price is critical, imagine how many games we missed out on, because developers skipped the console because it was too expensive and people were not buying it.

3 reliability.
the ps3 maybe more reliable than the 360 (something im still wondering though) but its a long away from the wiis reliability.
anything thats 500 bucks or more should last me 4 years no problem.

4 hire some people who actually know how to code firmware updates.
for once i would like to download a FW update that does not break my ps3 in any way.
just once.
thats not too much to ask is it?

5 sony really needs to start pushing developers into bringing their games to sonys systems.
im always getting the impression sony does not give 3rd party developers the love they give first party devs.
theres a reason why FF, GTA, MGS, DMC, RE, are no longer sony exclusives.
its because m$ knows how to spend money, and they treat developers like their family, no matter if there 1st, 2nd or 3rd.

me personally do not want a PS4 till 2013 at the earliest, and will be surprised if its released any earlier than that.

what i do want though is a PSP 2.
not a PSP 4000 or whatever new redesign they can think of.
i want a full fledged new PSP, with HD graphics.
i know, that sounds like allot, but look at M$s ZUNE HD, man that things impressive.
if a software company can do it, a hardware company can.
as one very wise old man once told me.
"never get a software company to do hardware, and never get a hardware company to do software."
now i can see why.

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sonic1899
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 12:47:27 AM

didn't FF and MGS start on nintendo before moving to to playstation and the RE series were also on dreamcast and gamecube as well as the ps2?

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___________
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 12:53:46 AM

probably.
my first gaming console was a ps1 and i remember playing resident evil 1 and MGS 1 on my ps1 so i assumed they were the first of the series.
i did play some of the N64 games, and PC games but that was at my cuzs house.
my parents would not let me get a games console, or even PC games even though i had a PC at the time.
even though i had the money, every time i even hinted at wanting to buy a ps3 they would bite my head off.
you have no idea the hell and anguish i had to go through to get a ps2, and even more when i wanted a ps3.
my father looked at the 1K price tag and almost sliced my head off.
so yea the ps1 was first opportunity i got to play many games.
kinda ironic really since my parents were so against me playing games but than my father is the worlds biggest GT fan.

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 2:57:29 AM

The 32SPE Cell is not going to happen, the PowerCel8Xi is the last cell specific chip. Some of the tech is going to end up in the Power7 architecture, and other IBM processors of the future. Basically cell is no longer being developed by IBM, though they continue it's production. The technologies developed as part of the Cell project will be woven into other IBM hardware products.

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Nynja
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 8:11:33 AM

@sonic;

Final Fantasy and Metal Gear began on the NES. Metal Gear Solid series started on the PS1.

So technically MGS was a Playstation game first. While Metal Gear name had been around longer.

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___________
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 6:50:03 AM

im really shocked to see the cell killed off so quickly.
i mean IBM would of spent a massive amount of money along with sony and toshiba for the research and development for the cell and now after a few years there dropping it.
i was expecting the cell to be the new tech, the new big thing, kinda like what the I7 is today.
why spend all that money and just use it for such a small period of time, they could not of made there moneys worth already.

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Highlander
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 11:41:14 AM

Cell hasn't been killed off, they're still manufacturing the CellBE and PowerCell 8xi chips for Sony and their own high performance computers and blade servers.

What IBM has said is that there will be no more Cell specific products from them. They have stated that the technologies developed within the Cell project will be rolled into their other products where appropriate and in that sense the Cell project hasn't died or vanished it's simply been absorbed into the mainstream work that IBM does with processors.

With their Power7 processor, IBM has something that far exceeds the Cell in many ways. If you look at the design of the Power7 processor if incorporates design features and concepts from the Cell project, no doubt the floating point units on the Power7 have also been enhanced with the lessons learned with Cell.

Cell isn't dead, it's just living on in a different form.

Besides Sony and Toshiba were also development partners and can still develop the architecture as they see fit. I also highly doubt that IBM would turn down money for custom work on the Cell architecture for a client such as Sony.

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jaybiv
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 1:23:36 AM
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MS is definitely the wild card. Sony does not want a repeat of the 1 year head start MS had this generation. The R&D for the next two generations of systems have been underway so the story is much ado over nothing. Sony didn't release the PS3 and wait three or four years to start working on its successor. They are working on technologies that we probably can't even dream about for the PS5. Full PS library b/c would be the ultimate in the PS4 when it hits the market. I still think we will see new machines sooner rather than later. More homes are moving to HDTVs and the technology in those tvs is rapidly improving to handle all the bells and whistles that will be in the next generation systems.

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WolfCrimson
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 2:02:59 AM
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PS4? Forget it, I'm not gonna get the next generation of consoles. I'd be too busy with life by then.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 2:33:53 AM

Don't worry, life will fail you ;)

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Nynja
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 8:26:16 AM

@World...

LMAO!

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 3:50:34 PM

@worlds, or you'll marry a gamer...

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coyo18
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 2:32:53 AM
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What I'm worried about is the price of games
PS2 used to be $20-40 (40 being collectors ed, and other types of high quality gaming)
PS3 is $40-60, so PS4 would be...ughh...


I see a very empty wallet in our future.

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Blaiyan
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 8:48:25 AM

PS2 games were $50.

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Fane1024
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 4:06:47 PM

...but $40 for (most) first-party games and $20 for (most) Greatest Hits, so he's not entirely wrong.

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Ricochet
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 2:53:11 AM
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Sony is probably on works with a new type of processor that can do wonders just like the Cell. But then again, here comes the developers with their "buh buh it's hard to teh developth for".

Then the next gen 360 fanboys will be doing the same sh*t again. And Naughty Dog and all other First-party devs to clean that up.

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jerocarson
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 3:03:51 AM
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i Doubt Sony would Just walk away from the Massive cell investment!
If i was Dumb! I'd Believe that.
Issues regarding PS4 is too early to be debated, i think what we should be concerned about is how the PSP2 would shape up.

@Ben, the year is over, can we get some info on the secrete PS3 exclusive..
it's been a long wait.. Just like GT5..

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www
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 6:04:26 AM
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Do whatever, the world is yours. You guys shoulda realized by now that anything is possible. After doubting those ugly early pics of the Slim, who thought it'll be a reality.

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jerocarson
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 6:49:22 AM

Do you actually think loosing over $4Billion is a joke? Pls us all be more pragmatic.
I never doubted the slim, it was bound to happen!
The cell contributed to Sony's massive losses, and ignoring an enhanced version of the cell for the PS4 is Dumb! From a Business standpoint and every other angle you can think of.

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www
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 9:43:54 AM

I take it you know the business very well.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 4:01:53 PM

naw, the World is mine ;)

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isaya85
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 8:14:54 AM
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@TheHighlander: you seem like you know what the heck you're talking about I guess I have to come to you for all my tech info.

on topic: I think everyone forgot years back not to long after ps2 launched we started hearing about ps3 and how it was going to have features the ps2 was suppose to have, I can't remember all the details i'll look it up

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Snaaaake
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 9:00:10 AM
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Sony must be busy making something cheap and powerful, work on that.

PS4?
I bet my toothbrush it will be out in the year 2013.

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Shams
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 10:17:03 AM
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Next generation may be happeneing sooner than we think. Supposively, MS was originally planning on releasing their next box by 2010, but is holding off to 2011-2012, allegedly due to the current recession. They have also been reported to stating that they are waiting for Stereoscopic TV's to become widespread. But AMD/ATI, have also been reported to having sealed the deal for the next GPU.

With MS's current market advantage, I don't think Sony will lag far behind on their release date for their next-gen console, if at all.

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 12:32:02 PM

Market advantage? Where? Other than the US Market which is questionable considering the number of RROD failures and banned consoles generating repeat purchases, where does the 360 actually hold a lead?

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bearbobby
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 3:31:54 PM

Also, "supposively" is not a word.

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Shams
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 4:01:56 PM

Well, I'll put it this way. "Supposedly", Sony doesn't have the market dominance it had last generation. And, I don't think their willing to lose anymore, which is why I think they will release their next console sooner to match MS. After the ps2, Sony could afford to bide their time. Not anymore.

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JackC8
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 10:56:36 AM
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Cheap and powerful - and easy for the developers to work with. I hope. That PSP Go fiasco really makes me wonder though.

My advice to Sony - sales of the PS3 didn't really take off until after the price cut to $300. Read it, learn it, live it.

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Banky A
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 3:36:12 PM
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"Oh bother"
- Winnie the Pooh

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SnipeySnake
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 11:40:38 PM
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1 TB Bluray.

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Highlander
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 12:17:50 AM

I like it! Not sure about 1TB BluRay though. I do know that Pioneer has demonstrated a working 400GB BluRay - that's within the specification of BluRay today. It's a 16 layer disc, each layer is 25GB. The ability to play more than two layers is apparently already designed into the player specification, so we may see 4 layer discs (100GB) or perhaps more in the future.

1TB would be a 40 layer disc, which might not work because the additional layers may make the disc too thick and heavy to work on a standard player.

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DeathOfChaos
Friday, January 01, 2010 @ 4:56:53 PM

TheHighlander: That's why the PS4 wouldn't be a 'standard player', it's a PS4, lol. The PS3 right now isn't standard at the moment.

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 2:28:51 AM
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I followed the links in the article and about 4 or 5 links through all those sites, there was a paragraph where it states that Sony wants go get away from the PS3's Cell architecture because of it been so more difficult for some developers to program for for.

And this new & more PC based IBM Power 7 that Highlander has graciously been explaining to everyone should actually make it that much more easier for developers to make their games on the upcoming PS4.

Hey Highlander,
I figure you probably already saw it, but if not.... follow each page's link maybe 3 or 5 times straight back from the original one in this article, it shows some schematics of what this IBM Power 7 should look like.

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Highlander
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 11:47:58 AM

Yeah, it's a monster isn't it? 1.2 billion transistors and up to 32MB of cache memory!

If you look at those schematics, you can see some influences from the Cell design have crept in. But the numbers on the thing are amazing. Each 8 core chip will be capable of a quarter of a TeraFLOP or 256 GFLOPs - double precision.

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___________
Thursday, December 31, 2009 @ 8:37:53 AM

1.2 billion transistors?
HOLY ^%$#@#% CHRIST!
last CPU specs i looked at it was at 32 million i think.
1.2 billion in such a small silicon chip.
wow, just wow!

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 5:06:18 PM
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Highlander,
I haven't a clue to everything you've said cause all the tech talk(& that related pic) is "all Greek to me", ole non-techie dinosaur that I am, LOL

But YOU ARE THE MAN, so if you like it, then I love it too!!!

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DeathOfChaos
Friday, January 01, 2010 @ 4:54:28 PM
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If they are thinking about getting something new from the Cell Processor, I hope they try just maybe enhancing upon the idea of the Cell Processor because the PS3 hasn't even fully utilized it yet. If they just beef up what they've already got, that should be enough, lol. That and add compatibility for 4 layer Bluray discs.

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amoreno
Saturday, January 02, 2010 @ 1:30:29 AM
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I like the idea of a 10core 5ghz CPU something better than a PC. So if they can do R&D now and make minute changes by 2012, hey go for it.

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