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Sony Considering "Pay To Play" Titles For Network?

We already know about Sony's consideration of a Premium Subscription Service for the PlayStation Network, but have we thought about a possible influx of MMOs or other games that require a fee to play?

Up to this point, the only examples of these are MMOs and episodic experiences that require you to purchase and download new gameplay portions over a certain span of time. Might we start seeing more of these games in the near future, in an effort to generate more revenue for the ever-expanding PSN? According to another survey Sony has issued to journalists and gamers alike, there is the possibility that you will have to pay to play at some point in the near future; however, bear in mind that we're not talking about paying to play a standard game online. That will remain free, of course; we're dealing with games - possibly like MAG - that would require a monthly fee to play online, like World of Warcraft, for instance. As the article points out, the PS3 could certainly handle the likes of WoW but without a paid subscription service in place, Activision Blizzard probably wouldn't think too highly of the idea. But what do you think of it? "Pay to play" is hardly a new concept, but it might be new for non-MMO-ers who aren't used to the idea.

For those who only casually use the PSN to download a few demos and trailers here and there, you might not be interested in any premium service for either PSN access or playing games. But hey, that's your option. What you're doing now should certainly remain free.

12/29/2009 9:17:22 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (81 posts)

coyo18
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 9:56:04 PM
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This might prove useful to sony, but alot of gamers might get a bit disappointed

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Sk8monkey
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 9:57:06 PM
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I wouldn't mind paying for a premium service as long as the online is smoother and I get more than shitty options xbox live has for there gold membership. Now in regards to a pay to play game, well if it's an mmorpg, or an online game that I'm going to dedicate a lot of time to then sure, just make sure it's reletivly lag free.

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 10:03:10 PM
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Nooooooooo!
I will not pay

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 10:04:18 PM
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I guess I don't care if they make them since that is where MMOs get most of their money from. But I won't be purchasing them.

Although it is funny to me that paying to play gets us all worked up because well, that antiquated machine requires payment to play anything online.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 10:07:21 PM

World, your new avatar is really freaking me out.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 10:11:38 PM

Too much? Okay we'll take a vote, you guys all thumb me down on THIS post if you want me to change it, thumb me up if you want me to keep it :)

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Swim_Irr
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 10:56:47 PM

Chev Chelios is a badass though...

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ShadowRunner
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 11:57:08 PM

I feel offended whenever I look at it.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 12:01:39 AM

As much as I love offending everyone, the people have spoken. I will pretend to be Squall until I can make a new Av with me in it.

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Alienange
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 12:59:08 AM

Thank goodness you changed it.

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Banky A
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 5:16:51 AM

Honestly guys, for the past week you've been talking about a "Chelios" I've still been seeing World's old avatar the whole time.

???

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Shams
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 9:21:28 AM

I kinda miss the ol' ninja pic, world.

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Naga
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 10:35:06 AM

Its time for change

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 12:52:41 PM

Well, I didn't mean you had to change it. But I like Squall better, anyway. :)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 1:53:06 PM

You guys are funny guys, its alright Ben, people didn't really like Chev and I tend to be a performer in all things. Maybe I can come up with a new Ninja pic to satisfy the masses, it appears I have a following ;)

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hellish_devil
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 9:18:36 PM

No, we want the old ninja back!!!!

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therabbitkinge
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 10:23:17 PM
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Im actually glad Sony has found a way to make cash without chipping away at the service I have now ^_^

It seems like a sound strategy and "Pay to play" sounds reasonable depending on the actual game so im not judging unless they charge for what should otherwise be free. ^_^

Oh and -ahem- F**K YOU CHELIOS!!! (That avatar signifies the most random moment in that movie... among like 100 others.)

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Buckeyestar
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 10:24:48 PM
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I'm through with any game that charges me beyond the initial price just to play it. The only MMO I am even looking at right now is DC Universe since it will supposedly be free to play.

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Geobaldi
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 11:45:55 PM

You'll still have to buy the expansions if you want access to the other content. Guild Wars is free to play also you just have to pay for expansions.

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Fane1024
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 4:39:38 PM

...which is how they all should work. Pay for content, not time.

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OtisFeelgood
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 10:28:47 PM
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I wouldn't mind paying if it's a MMORPG. If it's online only like Warhawk or MAG then no.


On a side note, I need more friends! PSN ID - OtisFeelgood. ;x

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Titch1794
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 4:48:38 AM

I will add you don't worry

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 10:35:46 PM
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I'm only a single mode player, so count me out.

But if done right, then I'm guessing it will be another + sign for all those players that are into MMO's.

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Hezzron
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 11:26:07 PM
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I view monthly fees to play a game online as a vicious cancer on my bank account. Never.

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jerocarson
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 11:26:35 PM
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If that would give Sony additional money to get a powerful PS4, why not? Afterall, Sony aint any charity organisation whatso ever.

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just2skillf00l
Tuesday, December 29, 2009 @ 11:30:13 PM
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It couldn't hurt; But you won't find me present.

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Reccaman18
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 12:01:57 AM
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I think it'll go fine. they have done the "pay to play" before for an MMO on the PS2. I cant think of it off the top of my head... Anywho, Im down as long as the games they charge are good enough for that monthly subscription fee.

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Highlander
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 12:10:13 AM
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I think that this is a natural evolution of the console and service offering from sony. Retail games with multi-player remain free to play online. Sony has promised this, and repeated that promise many times.

We already know that Final Fantasy XVI is a subscription based game, and we have the example of World of Warcrack to show us that for some a subscription model for online multi-player games is a workable solution.

Remember that PSN is an open network and the PS3 has direct Internet access, unlike the Xbox360 which has to go through XBL. Sony can either offer these subscription games within the framework of PSN and gain some revenue, or they can watch as third parties build games that they sell cheaply on disc and then charge subscription fees to play - with Sony getting nothing out of the deal. It's clearly beneficial to Sony to bring MMOs within their framework so they can get a cut of the revenue, and it also works for the publishers of such games since they get their game on a service that is put right in front of PS3 customers nearly every time they switch on their PS3.

The best part is that this isn't about making us charge for something we already get, it's about allowing *new* MMOs and subscription gaming/content delivery services to be done within the framework of PSN.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 12:24:35 AM

My thoughts...mostly, cept for the part about them selling games cheaply on disc. They will want the full $60 still.

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jaybiv
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 12:36:32 AM

Not sure about this, because Sony would still get a cut from licensing the game on their system.

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Bo0mKiiD
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 12:12:11 AM
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Sony's getting a little hungry.

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Qwarktast1c
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 11:08:11 AM

yeah, they are most likely thinking about this so they can actually turn a profit, rather than take a hit with the ps3

not that there's anything wrong with that, i for one won't be using it cause i'm not an MMO kinda guy

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Deleted User
Saturday, January 02, 2010 @ 12:42:01 AM

720 million dollars hungry

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superben1990
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 12:18:50 AM
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wow... im al ready set on paying for sonys premium service... but idk how much more id be wiling 2 dish out for a pleasurable gaming experience...

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Robochic
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 12:24:37 AM
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Not interested, even though I do a lot of single player modes I do want MAG but if I have to pay to play it then they need to make the price of the game cheaper 69.99+online fee is to expensive.

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jaybiv
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 12:39:34 AM
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I have no problem with this since the customer would know upfront that they have to pay a continuous fee to play the game. Not really my cup of tea. I don't think I any game could hold my attention that long for me to pay every month to play. But hey, to each his own.

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Alienange
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 12:56:47 AM
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Helloooooo !

Nobody plays MMORPGS that require a subscription. There's a few stragglers still holding on to WoW but even Blizzard can't be bothered to update the old beast. Every other MMORPG that came out has failed since WoW's release in 2004 and many even imploded before that. Getting gamers to pay a monthly subscription fee just so they can type to each other is nonsense. If Sony tries this they will fail miserably.

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Geobaldi
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 1:21:09 AM

"Nobody plays MMORPGS that require a subscription"

Really. With around 12 million subscribers, WOW proves that wrong.

"Every other MMORPG that came out has failed since WoW's release in 2004 and many even imploded before that"

Also wrong. Sony put out Star Wars Galaxies in 2003 and it's still going strong. Lord of the Rings Online is still going. Warhammer Online is still going. Final Fantasy XI is still going. City of Heroes is still going. Dark Age of Camelot is still going. Lineage is still going. Note that these are just some of the MMORPGs that came out before and after WOW came out and they're all still going strong and producing new content on a regular basis for the most part. And then there's the grandaddy of them all, Ultima Online.

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Alienange
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 9:50:56 AM

Geobaldi, are you kidding me? The ONLY MMORPG that is "going strong" is WoW which I already admitted. There are more people playing Tony Hawk Ride than there are playing any one of those other MMOs you mentioned. They are simply, as you say, "still going." Running off of money they made back in the MMO hay days of 2002-2004. I would hardly call that "going strong." The masses, and the money, went from Ultima Online to Everquest then on to WoW.

Besides that, have you played Sony's Free Realms? Nothing too complicated there and yet Sony STILL hasn't come through on their promise to bring it to the PS3. And we are to believe that they will bring an MMO to the PS3 that will rival WoW worthy of a monthly fee?

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___________
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 1:03:37 AM
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no thanks.
i think paying 120 bucks per game, 1000 bucks for a launch system, 500 bucks for a slim, and 100 bucks per controller and ive got 5 controllers is more than enough.
not to mention all the PSN games and PS1 classics i have bought like R&C QFB, fatal exteria FX, PAIN, crash bandicoot 1,2,3,CTR, oddworld, pandimonium,RE1,2,3 and such.
sony are becoming the new M$ and i really dont like it.
they start charging for online games both my ps3s are going on ebay and im going back to where games are meant to be played.
PCs.

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Ivan_PSP
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 1:35:52 AM
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But the service we get now like playing online free and everything else will always be free according to Sony and yes i will pay for anything on PS3. I will love Everquest 2 on PS3 for like $5 monthly not $15.

PSN will remain free even after a new pay service.

My PSN ID: ID: Ivan-

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Beamboom
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 3:59:46 AM
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If this will be something similar to the PC regarding pricing and constant development of the game playfields I'd say a big YES to this and greet it welcome with open arms, cause all this means is that we *finally* get an additional genre of games on the PS3.
Those who need nothing else than a stockpile of singleplayer games and multiplayer FPS will still get theirs. For the rest of us however this is great news!

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Beamboom
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 4:15:42 AM
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To those who have no experience with mmorpgs: You have to realize that these games are fundamentally different from all other genres. They require a huge cluster of servers to host the consistent game world. In addition to the hardware and system maintenance costs this also means cost of bandwidth, not to mention the ingame support. If you get stuck in the game (technically) you actually get a live person with the required server rights who pop up to help you.

Add to this a play field that is many, many times larger and more complex than any single player game you have ever played, and a constant string of patches that adds content, and it should become a bit more clear why a monthly fee is *required* for these games to exist, and why many gamers see no problem paying a monthly fee of $15 or so. With a good mmorpg one really do not need many other games... For months.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 4:52:14 AM
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Eh, pay to play always sucks. I'd rather have a micro-transaction service than full on p2p.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 7:06:34 PM

lol, wonder if the ppl that thumbed me down even know what the difference between them are

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 5:01:12 AM
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welp it was bound to happen someday! M$ gets away with it and Sony was bound to notice that! It sucks fr us consumers cus i really wanted to get into FF14 when it releases but the pay to play puts me off. I would like an xbox for some of its games like gears and left 4 dead, since im not great with PC for gaming, but the whole paying for live has always been one of the many reasons i never purchased one.

Its just a little aggrivating to see this happen when clearly it doesnt need to! The PS3 is doing great, and the consumers are happy. You cant put "Playstation Network, Sign up for free" on the box then start charging people on some games to play. I know to have an acct. its free and they would be charging to play cetain games but, its just not right as a Sony consumer for this to happen. I can see why they might want to its business but what happened to the customers always right? ;)



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Beamboom
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 5:16:32 AM

Uhm... What part of "we're not talking about paying to play a standard game online. That will remain free, of course" did you guys not understand? We are talking MMO's here. A kind of game yet to be seen on any console.

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tridon
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 5:53:01 AM

Aren't Final Fantasy XI and Everquest considered to be MMO? The upcoming DC Universe?

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 5:05:45 PM

beam boom-

I spoke pretty clearly about how i understood the difference between paying for the network and paying to play a game online! So what did you not understand when reading my comment, or did you even read it?

My complaint is charging to play even an mmo online is working as WOW has become huge, but it doesnt make it right! We already purchase the game, we already buy DLC, why should we have to pay a subscription. And my comment about Sony' PSN being free, someone new to gaming or new to the network in general and it being free, might be upset to find out they still might have to pay to play a game online if they wish to do so...

And as tridon said, there are games coming very soon that we will be paying for. Its not If its going to happen, its when, which is sooner than i wish for cus i wanna play FF14 bt will not pay to play that game since i have others for free!

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Beamboom
Thursday, December 31, 2009 @ 6:58:24 PM

Bigrailer: It does make sense to charge a fee because you do not just buy a game and that's that. Please read my comment further up, starting with "To those who have no experience with mmorpgs:" for further explanation.

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Banky A
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 5:18:59 AM
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Good for Sony maybe they'll bring us cool free prezzies' and goodies once they raise Xbox Live type money from the subscribers.

;)

But I'm not doing it.

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Geobaldi
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 6:31:35 AM

So you're saying you're hoping for free gifts, yet you won't be contributing towards earning those gifts. But you still expect to get some?

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Alienange
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 9:57:01 AM

It would be on a per game basis so there won't be any "Xbox Live type money."

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Banky A
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 4:30:07 PM

Yes, maybe they will cozzz' Sony rocks. I got the GOWIII demo code for no specific reason.

Since they'll be making more money wouldn't we get some very little prezzies' anyway? Just occasionally.

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tridon
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 5:51:32 AM
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I'll let you know right now, if you have to pay to play, I'm not playing.

I'm down with the subscription for premium content. I'd pay to beef up my PS3. However, I will never pay $70 for a game and then go and pay $10-$15 a month to play it after that. I'm semi-interested in MAG right now (even though I might not touch it because there's too many single-player adventures coming out this Spring), but if they're thinking about charging you to play it, I'll be zero interested. And what the hell? The economy looks a little better for a month or so and suddenly Sony is thinking about charging for a load of stuff? Good way to put the low-income gamers back out of commission!

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JackC8
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 6:46:05 AM
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I'm a single player, offline guy, who just downloads some demo's and maybe picks up a tiny bit of DLC if I really love a game. So this isn't for me. But I guess some of those MMORPG games have always been like this, so if Sony wants to make something like that available, it's cool with me.

Just don't start charging me for what's free right now.

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G8GTdriver
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 7:28:27 AM
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I don't play much online so this doesn't really interest me BUT I do remember paying for Motor City Online, that was fun. WOW and similar games do nothing for me but if something like motor city were to come out it might get my attention for a bit.

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LightShow
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 8:02:43 AM
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part of the reason i bought a playstation was so i didnt have to pay to play. i wont be playing these new psn games unless theyre really worth it, i havent subscribed to a game since Runescape in 8th grade.

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Geobaldi
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 8:34:39 AM

Runescape is free to play now lol

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Beamboom
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 8:58:03 AM

LightShow: Considering the price gap between the PC games VS the PS3 games, your decision to go PS3 to save cash was "quite illogical", as mr Spock would have put it. You don't pay to play on the PC, except for a genre that does not exist for the PS3... So far. Hopefully this will change that.

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Alienange
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 10:04:00 AM

@ Beamboom - Your statement to LightShow is bizarre. You think it is somehow cheaper to game on a PC over a PS3? Not everyone buys all games on day one at full retail price. Besides, even if someone did, they don't have to swing by the hardware counter to pick up a new graphics card to play said new release.

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Beamboom
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 10:53:39 AM

Have you seen the prices on PC games lately?

Some random price comparisons, source play.com:
COD MW2 PS3: £44.99 PC: £34.99
AssCreed PS3: £39.99 PC: £26.99
GTA IV PS3: £14.99 (platinum) PC: £9.99
dragon age origins: PS3: £39.99 PC: £26.99

Not to mention the hundreds of top rated PC-releases from a few years back that you get for a mere £5. I've not to this day found a PS3 game that low priced, ever. Not even the flops. There simply is no rational way of arguing that the PS3 is a cheaper gaming platform than the PC. But there are other, good arguments for the PS3!

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Dewi47
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 12:55:21 PM

@beamboom,
today i bought fifa 08 for ps3 in game for 98p, so yeah, ps3 games can be quite cheap if you know where to look.

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Fane1024
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 4:48:01 PM

I've bought at least 2 PS3 games for under $5 (and I'm not counting PSN titles).

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Beamboom
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 6:16:54 PM

Of course you can find good buys amongst the ps3-games too. There are always exceptions to every rule. But if you don't believe me just go compare prices yourself. The difference is simply too apparent to be ignored. And just for the record, I'm a former PC gamer that has converted to PS3 and has no regrets about that.

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Naga
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 10:38:03 AM
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Pay to play Activision games er... no but I like the idea of discounts.
I just don't see myself paying for any MMO

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Xplicit
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 10:48:58 AM
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I'm not liking where this is going....

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Highlander
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 11:34:57 AM

They're talking about MMO games like World of Warcraft and other games of that type. They are NOT talking about pay to play for regular retail games that have a multi-player component such as Uncharted 2 or Killzone 2.

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Draguss
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 12:27:02 PM
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Naturally it had to happen, it's not like sony hasn't charged for online pay of certain games before, they just never did it on the PS3 because the PS3 hasn't had any games that truely need it so far. But like Beamboom said MMORPGs are a different story and if I can finally play them on my PS3 (seeing as my PC is a huge piece of crap that would never be able to handle them) I don't mind paying. I won't be getting any premium service because I'm quite happy with what I have now, but if I don't mind paying for some games.

P.S. Some people here REALLY need to learn to read through the entire article before commenting

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SILVERAMMO
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 1:14:11 PM
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fuk that

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maxpontiac
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 6:20:50 PM
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All depends really.

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coldbore
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 7:16:40 PM
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Free online is what separates us from the whiny xbot babies, I refuse to be sent into the dark ages, I will not have it, rise up!

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Pandemic_
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 7:35:25 PM
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Hmm. Heres what I think.

1st that is a lie MAG will not be a fee based MMO.

2nd Stop taking damn rumours so seriously

3rd I got proof. http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=mag&thread.id=88

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Beamboom
Thursday, December 31, 2009 @ 8:48:56 AM

But MAG is not a mmorpg either... No consistent world, from what I read at your linked page it's just a large multiplayer fps with rpg elements.


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Deleted User
Saturday, January 02, 2010 @ 12:47:46 AM

BeamBoom is right... they have a FPS MMO already and plan to make a sequal... I use to play the crap out of it

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, December 30, 2009 @ 8:09:18 PM
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I'm into single mode only, so I'm not sure if there will be other content besides MMO's to even interest me one bit at all.

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phade2blaq
Friday, January 01, 2010 @ 5:10:51 AM
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Pay to play ! LOL ! Well I sure hope they find a way to prevent cheating !

Before Sony starts trying to build an online subscription service they should first fix the crappiness of the Playstation 3 !

Lets invest in figuring out why the PS3 overheats, freezes, skips. doesn't read discs, and anything else it does that Sony doesn't explain too well !

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RebelExtrm02
Friday, January 01, 2010 @ 4:59:34 PM
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No. I prefer the days of buying something once and playing it any time for as long as I want.

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DeathOfChaos
Friday, January 01, 2010 @ 5:03:52 PM
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The only game I would pay monthly for would be Blade and Soul, and that would have to be really really cheap monthly, lol. I just can't put myself up to paying monthly for a game that I would most likely enjoy way less than a game I can play for free after I buy it.

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THE NTMIDTR
Friday, January 01, 2010 @ 11:37:09 PM
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I'm all for it if the extras are worthy... but I'm not an RPG/MMORPG player so I would have no use for that. Besides, I have no online friends despite having a launch 60Gb (500Gb now).

Trying to get my Brother-in-law to step into the next gen so I will have a buddy.

Add me to friends... I have none... PSN: THE-NTMIDTR

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THE NTMIDTR
Friday, January 01, 2010 @ 11:39:14 PM
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@phade2blaq

It's funny you mention that... my PS3 sometimes starts a game or demo with no sound. When I exit out and go back it fixes it.

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