Will FFXIII Be The Last Recognizable "Final Fantasy?"

It's a frightening possibility for those of us who have come to love the franchise over the past 20-some years. But could Final Fantasy XIII represent "the end of an era?"

During an Edge Online interview with Square-Enix boss Yoichi Wada, we learn that Final Fantasy XV (remember, number XIV is an all-online title slated to release this year as well) may not be in the cards. Or if it is, it won't be anything the fans would typically expect. You may or may not agree with Wada's surprisingly bold words but either way, S-E has it in their heads that they must expand and progress beyond the traditional:

"I believe Final Fantasy XIII is going be something special, and that it’s going to be well received by the audience. But whether we are going to continue to internally create this type of game remains to be seen, because I actually feel that the team that was involved with Final Fantasy XIII should next move on to create and generate some ‘next generation’ forms of play. Internally and externally I feel there’s an expectation of Square Enix to offer something new, and I really think that the Final Fantasy team could create something completely different, but at the moment they’re strictly catering to the particular audience they have now."

He added that he doesn't want his company to only be known for FF and Dragon Quest, although he certainly does want Square-Enix to be synonymous with "high-quality games." So what are you thinking, Wada? FPSs? More online multiplayer stuff? Western hack 'n slashes? I could be wrong, but I get the feeling that of the several million in Japan that have already bought FFXIII, and the million more in the US and Europe that will buy it, most are buying it because it's distinctly "Final Fantasy." Whoever said they wanted that name slapped on an unrecognizable adventure or genre? At the same time, it would be hypocritical of me to slam the idea, as I've always said that failure to progress is the same as stagnation...and that doesn't fly in this industry.

Even so, it'll be very tough to accept a new direction for the franchise. Personally, it would mean my days of FF loyalty are numbered. :(

Related Game(s): Final Fantasy XIII

1/7/2010 10:50:02 AM Ben Dutka

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Ultimadesires
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 11:09:47 AM
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Wow Yoichi Wada really is the death of Square!

(I'm currently playing Lost Odyssey, seems far more enjoyable than XII so far)

Last edited by Ultimadesires on 1/7/2010 11:10:30 AM

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Alienange
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 11:19:04 AM

I've been playing LO all week. Just moved on to the 2nd disc. It's very good and it just slays me how close it is to a FF game. Even the battle victory song is so very close. The battles are fantastic but the story is nothing special.

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Orvisman
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 11:24:31 AM

Well... It was developed by the creator of FF.

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Arvis
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 12:00:14 PM

...and the music was done by Uematsu. :)

If it weren't for the rather crappy character designs, I'd say the game practically IS a Final Fantasy game.

-Arvis

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Ultimadesires
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 12:03:29 PM

I think the characters are alright, not FF pre-XII standard but certainly ok.... fine the lead character can be to bland at times but other than that i'd say they're all good, though i am still early on in the game.

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NightHawk17
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 12:09:32 PM

Wada is Wada, he's crazy we've known this for about 2 or 3 years now;)

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 12:19:01 PM

LO is one of my favorite RPGs.

The dream sequences represent some of the best writing you will ever see in video games. Not to mention that it may be the very last true turn-based RPG ever made. :(

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NightHawk17
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 8:56:05 PM

The dream sequence that really stuck with me was

***dream spoilers***

the one about Kaim in prison with the old man and they get freed but the old man runs into the light and blinds himself in the process

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Jawknee
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 11:10:55 AM
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Yes! Another bad ideas by the Wads. Final Fantasy and DragonQuest are their best IPs. Never liked anything else they did. Vagrant story was ok and I've never played Star Ocean.

Develope new IP's but leave Final Fantasy as it is. This along with his "westernizing" Final Fantasy make me worry about the future of their best brand.

I don't like Wads.

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CrazyIrishBoy
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 11:11:59 AM
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I dont think its the end of ff, sold on to someone else maybe? Anyway, id say if they arnt concentrating on the ff series they will come up with something truely awesome.

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GuernicaReborn
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 11:25:30 AM

That's what I was thinking. However alot of people are looking forward to this, FF is the Lamborghini of RPG's. Only expecption being FF games aren't ridiculously expensive.

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godsman
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 11:32:22 AM

Sell the FF name to Sega then. At least they've been pumping out some good RPGs. Wada is an idiot. He's single handedly destroying the Japanese market.

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Oyashiro
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 11:15:39 AM
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Sadly my days of FF brand loyalty ended with FFXI.

Actually Final Fantasy started to be less FF-like with FFX. And what I hear about FFXIII its basically not even FF at all.

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Alienange
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 11:16:14 AM
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Yeah that's right, why strictly cater to the millions of fans who put you where you are? Bah! Let's see your precious FFXIII and I'll decide for myself whether or not you need to branch out.

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MyWorstNightmar
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 11:43:44 AM

Alienage, it is probably all just posturing. Just like a movie star actor who has done the first few installments of a franchise. (Think Spiderman, Bourne, Harry Potter), and the stars always say, "Yeah, I think this is going to be my last one". It is a way to milk more money out of the studio to get them back for another movie.

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Alienange
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 11:47:01 AM

You're probably right. Say this kind of stuff shortly after releasing a game so all the fanboys will run out and buy it in order to "support their favorite dev."

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godsman
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 11:27:23 AM
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Abandon everything that make your company special and start on a new sheet? Microsoft must be paying you a lot to be financially sane to even THINK of that idea.

Last edited by godsman on 1/7/2010 11:27:57 AM

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Andysw
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 11:37:59 AM
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Final fantasy is the reason for square enix's success. It is the heart and soul of the company. Its like if capcom wants to discontinue with resident evil and move on to other projects because they don't want to only be known for resident evil and monster hunter.

I take it that wada is not a video gamer and doesn't understand the moral of keeping popular franchises anything but final.

Last edited by Andysw on 1/7/2010 11:45:24 AM

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bridgera
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 3:55:36 PM

Before Resident Evil, there was Mega Man.

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Hezzron
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 11:39:46 AM
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This is curious. With these past few statements, it almost sounds like the makers of FF are tired of the series. Hmmm....

.....unless it's just a cry for attention to have all the fans line up and beg at their feet. Maybe they're just insecure.

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Alienange
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 11:49:36 AM
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Dumping FF for SquarePlay, SquareFit and SuperSquareBrothers would be a huge mistake.

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Jawknee
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 12:54:14 PM

Hahaha I'm not trying to flame you but seriously, this post made no sense at all. Why do you hate Nintendo so? It's ok to criticize their lack of support for hard core gamers this gen, but they still have brands that are worth playing and worthy of praise. Ive barely turned on my PS3 since Spirit Tracks was released. Get over it meng. you sound like an Xbot hating on Sony sometimes with your irrational rants against Nintendo. Nintendo has done a lot for the industry and continues too. We all prefer our PS3 but come on! Nintendo's not all bad.

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MyWorstNightmar
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 4:30:06 PM

Jawknee, I bought Spirit Tracks for my son for xmas. Want to play it, but I have been busy with Mario and Luigi Bowsers Inside Story. Sounds like Spirit Tracks is rather good though.

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Jawknee
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 5:56:24 PM

Oh it fantastic. I can't put it down. It's a worthy addition to any Zelda fans collection. It does everything right that was in Phantom Hourglass but does it better. The train is much more fun then the sailing and I can never get tired of Wind Waker Link.

I don't understand why some are so quick to discount Nintendo and their achievements. Yea the Wii has not been the hardcore gamers best choice but so what! That's what we have our PS3's for. I really don't understand why PS3 owners complain about them so much. Especially about infrequent Zelda releases. As I stated on the Analyst prediction post, there's been 3 in 4 years. Can't discount the handhelds. They are just as good as any console Zelda I've played.

have you played Phantom Hourglass?

Last edited by Jawknee on 1/7/2010 6:00:47 PM

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MyWorstNightmar
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 6:03:15 PM

Yep, I have Phantom Hourglass. I have not finished it yet. I mostly play the DS on trips when I have downtime, or on airplanes, and I do have a trip coming up, so I will have some time for the DS.

I judge a game or system by how much fun I get from it. I get a lot of fun out of the Wii, so it is aces in my book.

I get a lot of fun out of my PS3 too. I don't care how technically advanced the PS3 is or how good a games graphics are on the PS3. If it is not fun, I'd rather be doing something else.

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Jawknee
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 6:43:47 PM

Nice. I have finished Phantom. I'm going to play it again when I'm done with Spirits Tracks to pick up missing items, hearts etc.

I too enjoy the Wii. It got a lot of use at launch. my PS3 collected dust. That's changed now because of all the great Sony games coming out now but even now I don't regret buying the Wii. I do wish it supported HD though. But it's not that big of a deal I suppose.

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Alienange
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 8:26:17 PM

@ Jawknee - That wasn't a rant. And please note, you're blasting me for hating the Wii and then go on and on about how great the Zelda games for the DS are. Why are you throwing the DS out in front of the Wii when you think it's under attack?

Also please note, I have never said I hated the Wii. It is Nintendo's lack of new games that irritates me. I gave them $250 for their system. The least they could do is give me more than TWO games I want to play on it.

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Juanalf
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 8:51:59 PM

That's very funny Alienange,now you know who around here can't take a joke(a pretty realistic joke).

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Jawknee
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 9:44:57 PM

By all means, attack the Wii all you want. My only point is that Nintendo as a whole is a valueable company and have done a lot of great things. You seem to hate the company because of your disdain for the Wii. You called them Satan. Over dramatic no? I got a lot of use out of my Wii. Great launch titles. But now it's the PS3's turn. :) I don't see the problem.

And I only brought the up DS by the way because you complained about there not being enough Zelda releases this generation which obviously isn't true.

So "thanks for not getting the point". ;)

Last edited by Jawknee on 1/7/2010 9:51:00 PM

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SvenMD
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 7:54:03 AM

I loved the Metroid Prime Trilogy.. I never owned a gamecube so I got to play all of them at once. It was great.

But that's 1 of 4 Wii games that I own...so I guess that kinda makes Alienange's point.

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Jawknee
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 9:20:23 AM

Well, between the 8 or 9 titles I have, WiiWare and the Vitual Console I'm happy with my $250 investment.

I will agree their support for the hardcore crowed has been pretty weak but that hardly makes them as Lord of the Underworld.

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Juanalf
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 11:57:32 AM
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He's probably just saying that so that loyal and new fans will rush out and buy his crappy game thinking it is the last. I'm sure there will be more of the awesome spiky hair,He-shes,turn based games you people crave so much.(no disrespect ^_^)

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Jawknee
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 1:25:47 PM

Have you ever tried to play a FF game? What year are you? Just curious if it has something to do with your generation.

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Juanalf
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 3:11:52 PM

No and I started gaming in the fourth-generation consoles(if that's what you meant).Relax though, I was just having a little fun with y'all.

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Jawknee
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 3:33:14 PM

I am relaxed. Just curious is all. Seems younger gamers tend to dislike FF or can't understand why FF is loved by so many.

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NeoHumpty
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 9:01:27 PM

Fourth generation? Does that include Pong and C64??

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Juanalf
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 10:45:20 PM

No!! it includes the beautiful,precious and masterful Sega Genesis..... and the Snes.

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Nickname
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 12:21:20 PM
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Or maybe square-enix(mostly Wada) is soo sick and tired of the fans asking for a FF VII remake. On a side note, it would be sad day if FF ever turns into something like or has the concept of FF the spirits within.

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Highlander
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 12:34:06 PM
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SE comes across as being autocratic, statements like this add to that impression. Not sure why SE would move away from FF and FF-like games, it almost sounds like he's basically saying no more JRPGs from SE.

I don't know what to make of this. It feels like games are changing and not necessarily for the better. I think that some game companies have ambitions to be producers of digital entertainment, and not video games. A JRPG clearly is a video game, it is a game that you play. However, more and more it seems as though some of the game producers want to make their experience bigger and 'better'. So would a 3D immersive Final Fantasy game really be a Final Fantasy game?

I think not. I think it may well be a great entertainment experience, but to me, personally, there is a difference between a video game that you play and a entertainment experience that is less about playing a game and more about immersion and the experience itself.

I can't quite put my finger on this feeling and explain it the way I want to, but I do feel like there is a divergence coming where part of the industry goes one way and part goes another. Maybe the way to put it is that SE and some other companies appear to be interested more in making digital cinema than in making video games? No, that's not it either.

Hmmm......

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Jawknee
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 1:06:59 PM

He's starting to remind me of bob kotex's.

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Scarecrow
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 1:02:01 PM
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lol...

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BikerSaint
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 1:49:59 PM
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Wada freaking idiot!!!!!

I keep getting this strange feeling that Wada trying to set everyone up for a entirely different kind of FFXV.

And with his weird statements lately, I sure wouldn't put it past him to make it as a new motion sensing Sonymote game.

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Jawknee
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 1:59:05 PM

He reminds me if a certain world leader. He's systematically tearing down everything that's made their company great.

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Qwarktast1c
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 2:22:09 PM

@ jawknee

yeah pretty much, and all the while everybody is telling him not to do the stupid crap he is doing.

Last edited by Qwarktast1c on 1/7/2010 2:22:38 PM

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BikerSaint
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 2:09:46 PM
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I'll second that emotion, Jawknee!!!!!

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tes37
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 5:23:00 PM

I third that infection.

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NeoHumpty
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 2:23:38 PM
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Yeah, they can change it if they want to, but I'm betting someone will figure out that gamers are missing the old school turn based RPGs. I will happily give them my cash for doing so.

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Phoelix
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 2:51:32 PM
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Am I the only person who's almost getting tired of the same recycled gameplay elements from the FF series?

I just finished playing FF tactics, and I realized that a whole lot of the rest of the games take elements (or big chunks) from FFT.

I'm okay with them taking a new direction with future games. Just don't call any of them FF XV.

(By the way, Wada saying that he thinks FF XIII will be well-received is kind of majorly arrogant)

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NeoHumpty
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 4:03:54 PM

That's kind of the point. If they want something new and fresh, then by all means make something new. But FF fans want more of the FF that made them fans to begin with. I started playing them almost 20 years ago, and have played every one of them hoping for more of the same entertainment the first 10 games gave me.

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bridgera
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 3:54:34 PM
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Final Fantasy never was quite the same after FFX, which is why I no longer an anxiously awaiting new releases of this series.

ie - after 2001, no similar looking FF games were released.

Here's a great idea, let's take the basics of FF such as great stories, turn based gameplay, and get rid of those completely.

My suggestion would be to develope other games in addition to (not in place of) the FF series.

SE might take a new direction, and it may very well be straight into the ground.

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tes37
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 5:12:23 PM
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It's strange how coming into this generation of gaming some developers have been delivering one big let down after another, either with their mouth or their games.

On the flip side, other developers are stepping up with great stuff. If Final Fantasy disappears it will be missed, but I will most certainly have forgotten about this Wada guy. He can go ahead with his silliness while I check out the competition.

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Tatsujin
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 7:40:47 PM
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Here is... a little thought for everyone here to snack on. 10, 20 even 30 years from now do you see Final Fantasy, Call of Duty, or even Resident Evil the big players? If you do, you may be right... you may be wrong.

Everything has an end, moving away from one IP probably does not seem so great right now for anyone here, but Square Enix might have something in mind, something that will turn all gamers' expectations.

First, we expected Mario games to be extremely fun and entertaining! What happened to Mario? Later down the years Final Fantasy and Resident Evil came along, and then Modern Warfare... but like everyone is already saying, FF is different after FFX.

The generation of... the next 20 years or what-have-you wont even recognize Final Fantasy nor Resident Evil or even World of Warcraft for that matter. They will be thinking of... World of Mariocraft or some other crazy IP the industry comes up with... Just as the newer generations of today do not recognize Mario. The newer generations of tomorrow wont recognize Final Fantasy, or any great franchise we can think of today.

Damn it... I talk to much...

Last edited by Tatsujin on 1/7/2010 7:40:58 PM

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NeoHumpty
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 8:05:50 PM

I have a 6 year old boy here that would love to disagree with you over Mario being recognized. He has all the new Mario games. Heck, even Pacman, Frogger and Space Invaders are still making games. And what is Super Stardust HD other than a glorified version of Asteroids?

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Tatsujin
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 9:22:25 PM

Right. Your boy, out of the 5 kids standing around, is alongside with only one other kid. 2/5 kids know about those great arcade games we had to where as back then it was the vise-versa. Not every parent shows their kid the true start of video game history, and although true not all kids need to be shown, they can figure it out on their own, the odds are slim of that happening. So, should Tyranch go ahead and make another WWII game? Or does your kid wanna disagree with me somemore? idk...

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Highlander
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 10:07:29 PM

@tatsujin,

Dude, seriously, you're arguing with this other poster's 5 year old son? Really? And we're supposed to take you seriously?

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NeoHumpty
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 10:48:38 PM

Whatever. If you haven't seen how well Mario did this holiday season you obviously have no reason to be posting on a gaming site. I had to go to 6 stores to find the new Mario Brothers because every one was sold out. I'm pretty sure it wasn't all 30 year old men buying them up for themselves. And my point was that all these other games ARE still out there being remade all the time. Really. Go look, I think you have some checking to do. Should Tyranch go ahead and make another WWII game? Sure!

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Arvis
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 2:52:16 PM

For the record, Final Fantasy (the first one) came out in 1983. That's nearly a THIRTY year legacy it's created. THIRTY YEARS!

I see no reason the name won't go on for another 30. Whether or not it's recognizable by that time... who's to say? But as long as the games are still beautiful, immersive, and entertaining, I'll keep playing them.

-Arvis

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johnld
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 8:45:25 PM
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ahh, this is like the biggest reason to get rid of Wada, i mean, shut the hell up. so you're just going to abandon the gamers who made you guys who you are and doing something else. You dont want to be know just for final fantasy and dragon quest, seriously? i believe that a lot of developers would want to have that series that they would be known for concerning the quality of their work. Lucky for gamers that there are always other studios waiting to take control, heres hoping to level 5 and white knight chronicles.

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___________
Thursday, January 07, 2010 @ 11:10:52 PM
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my GOD! this guy loves to run his mouth.
wada, your in the wrong industry you should go work as a PR guy.
you would be perfect for the job, in fact you and MR greenburg would get along perfectly.
both love to run there mouths off about absolute crap!
do me a favour.
announce a game, release it, announce a game, release it.
not announce a game, announce another game, announce another game, hype another game, hype another game, than release a game.
jesus christ!
if this guy put half as much work in making the games we would be up to FF 55 by now!

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Banky A
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 12:11:03 AM
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So.. now it will really be the proper Final Fantasy?

For RPG diehards.

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Snaaaake
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 4:11:09 AM
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I'm still holding my breath on whether FF will end.

But FFXIII certainly looks promising to me, so what if it's linear, FFX was also linear for a while at first but I do wonder what the people who previewed the game said there's no town?

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SvenMD
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 7:57:58 AM
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Why is it that everytime there is an article about Square-Enix these days I end up just being really pissed off at the end?

They're direction really does not seem to coincide with that of the consumer.

Will be interesting to see what happens over the next few years. I just hope that Final Fantasy stays Final Fantasy.

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Sol
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 8:38:15 AM
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I find myself rolling over the failure to progress statement at the end of the article...

Sure it may be the same as stagnation but when I think about it sometimes certain things should not be changed, and if it needs it than the change should only be slight.

Like the design for PS controllers, if it isn't broke don't fix it or make it something entirely (and sometimes drastically) new.

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LowKey
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 9:16:30 AM
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They should make some free online games, SE could definately make some incredible mmorpgs. They have the potential. It sucks that FFXIV is pay to play. You would think that if it were free, many more people would buy and play it.

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Scarecrow
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 2:44:58 PM
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Unlucky XIII has struck the FF franchise :(

Oh well

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DeathOfChaos
Sunday, January 10, 2010 @ 5:49:47 PM
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Fucking dumbass...

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Chilliam
Sunday, January 10, 2010 @ 7:06:42 PM
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nooooo dont end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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