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DICE: Bad Company 2's Vistas Better Than Uncharted 2's

Every time I hear EA talk about Battlefield: Bad Company 2 when it's in the shadow of other games, all I can think of is, "I won't be ignored, Dan."

Okay, it's not as frightening as that famous line but you get the gist. Last year, when everyone was going hog-wild over Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, EA was quick to pipe up and say their impending shooter, Battlefield: Bad Company 2, could indeed measure up to Infinity Ward's effort. Now, developer DICE is talking graphics...and they're not afraid to say BC2 is "reaching" the high quality bar set by Naughty Dog's brilliant Uncharted 2: Among Thieves. They do admit, however, they won't surpass that level of visual greatness. According to what producer Gordon Van Dyke told VideoGamer, his game is looking pretty darn good right now. Said Van Dyke concerning the comparison:

"I wouldn't make that kind of claim. Uncharted 2 is an amazing-looking game. But we're reaching that level of quality. It's going to be hard for any game to be able to make a claim that they look better. But we are getting to, I feel, that level, where it's looking very impressive. When you see it - and I've heard other people say it as well, so it's not just me - other people are saying it's getting there."

He adds that BC2 features "much bigger environments," though, which is a feather in the team's cap. He also remains deferential to Naughty Dog and clearly gives them all the respect in the world, saying that when he looked at Uncharted 2, he said, "damn them! What have they done to the rest of us? I was looking for something where I could say, okay, that we're doing better." So DICE put a ton of effort into their vistas and it seems they're gonna blow us away. In fact, Van Dyke has this message for the U2 developers:

"Naughty Dog, if you hear this, I challenge you versus our vistas!"

You know what's great about "measuring stick games" like Uncharted 2? It forces other designers to put forth that extra effort in every aspect of their productions, thereby permanently upping the level of quality in the industry. And DICE has already given us the original Bad Company along with Mirror's Edge and Dead Space, so we have every confidence they'll deliver an awesome sequel. If they wish to challenge Naughty Dog in a certain visual area, more power to 'em.

Related Game(s): Battlefield: Bad Company 2

1/8/2010 10:39:32 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (69 posts)

jaybiv
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 11:02:39 AM
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They should stick to measuring their views with MW2, which had some nice scenes. Now way, a multi-plat game is going to look better than U2.

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furbiesmustdie
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 11:08:21 AM

Did you mean:
No way?
Yes it does seem rather unlikely that they will be able to deliver on that claim that said graphics really aren't that much of a selling point and nor should they be, Uncharted 2 was just nice enough to throw it in for free.

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Highlander
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 11:19:28 AM

It could, if the developer really puts time and effort into optimizing their PS3 and 360 engines separately even though the game is multi-platform, that doesn't stop a good multi-platform developer having platform specific graphics engines.

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SvenMD
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 11:38:39 AM

Jaybiv - are you saying developers should only push themselves to achieve the quality of games in their own genre??

If they solely compare themselves to MW2 then they will NEVER achieve the level of detail of games like Uncharted 2.

I think it is better to strive to be the best OVERALL. Rather than just in your own genre.

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Akuma07
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 2:17:16 AM

actually, read the story again, the guy specifically says, they wont BEAT U2.

I think they could at least be on par.

And no, MW2 should not be measured against, in anything...ever.

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mustang750r
Sunday, January 10, 2010 @ 12:08:10 AM

Highlander took the words right out of my mouth.

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Perry Katy
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 11:12:15 AM
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Wait till the final product then we'll talk...

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Alienange
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 11:37:22 AM

You think BC2 vistas will be smaller than UC2's? The first BC had bigger vistas. What do you mean?

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Scarecrow
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 12:59:30 PM

Windows Vista sucks...

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Alienange
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 1:03:22 PM

Well that's true.

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fluffer nutter
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 2:28:59 PM

I've never nad a problem with Windows Vista but then I do know how to use a computer. I guess I should try to be more ignorant.

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Mamills
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 5:46:09 PM

ill have to see BC2 to believe it
i had the beta and no i wasnt really impressed by the graphics or the vistas
its good that they are striving to beat the best
good luck to them though
im proberly still gonna pick up bc2, the gameplay is way better than MW2
i like some strategy in my shooters instead of running around in circles and shooting anything that moves

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Perry Katy
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 7:01:57 PM

As far as i concerned by judging the beta, I didn't get the impression about the vista (I know, that map only a plain dessert with some stuff). But don't worry, i'm really looking forward for this game more than MW2 :)

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Highlander
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 11:18:14 AM
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So, basically DICE are looking at Uncharted 2 and hat it achieved and then looking at Naughty Dog and snarling "OK, game on!"?

Good, now let's hope that others do the same. As you say a measuring stick, or benchmark game like Uncharted 2 is needed to set the bar and demand that others reach or leap past the bar set. This is what causes competition and innovation in games development. Developers want to outdo their competition, they want to outdo each other, and when a game gets huge critical acclaim for it's technical aspects, that just makes the desire greater.

Remember when Valve wussed out of the PS3 development business? One of the most surprising aspects of that was that they were basically admitting defeat. It wasn't that they were touting the power of another platform, or even saying that they could do better than someone else. I expected more from Valve because they are fundamentally geeks and techies and the PS3 is if nothing else an interesting technical platform. The desire to outdo the competition and innovate and beat the other developers should have made them more determined to take the PS3 by the scruff of it's neck and make it dance for them. John Carmack's bunch have taken up the challenge now, despite early misgivings.

I love the comments from DICE here though, it shows that as well as being in it for the business, they are in it for the kudos of being among the best developers around. You do that by accepting the challenge of a benchmark game, not wilting in it's presence.

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yak4life85
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 12:58:45 PM

"I love the comments from DICE here though, it shows that as well as being in it for the business, they are in it for the kudos of being among the best developers around. You do that by accepting the challenge of a benchmark game, not wilting in it's presence."

Nicely said plain and simple!

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Jawknee
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 11:18:26 AM
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Meh, Bad Company 1 wasn't all that great. Kind of lame in fact. Had great sound though. I'll wait and see about two.

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yak4life85
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 1:03:32 PM

@ jawknee
Are you talking about the single player campaign or the multiplayer on the first BFBC?

Because i admit the single player was kinda weak but it was more like prepping you for the online play. Online was where this game was great. I spent about 6 months straight on this game alone. Can't say the same about cod 4.

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maxpontiac
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 2:28:02 PM

Agreed. Did not like Bad Company nearly as much as Modern Combat.

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ohmikkie
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 3:18:59 PM

Agreed, past two posts. Battlefield added an extra dimension to on-line "console" fps in the form of team tactics (the few timers that occurred)and the destructible environments which forced alteration of tactics has not been replicated in any other game I know of. I'd like to see a Battlefield game with the scale of MAG - That would be interesting.

Single player wasn't that great but I did find the dialogue funny though.

Hope they keep the dog-tagging feature in the sequel.

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bomba2812
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 11:35:29 PM

i bought the first one and finished it the but every time i try to join a game online it says there is a connection problem

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JackC8
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 11:28:54 AM
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If it has an excellent single player campaign that's well over 10 hours long, then maybe I'll take a look at it.

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Alienange
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 11:32:50 AM
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That is one huge compliment Dice is paying to ND. Having respect for the competition is what a stand up company is all about. I loved BC even though the online part is pretty tough. The graphics, sound and gameplay were nearly perfect for this type of game.

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MadPowerBomber
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 11:33:51 AM
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"I challenge you versus our vistas!"

I like that quote. Haha. It makes no sense to me at all.

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Highlander
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 1:13:34 PM

Don't say that to Microsoft, it's an automatic Epic Fail for Microsoft whenever they are challenged over Vistas...

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swapnilgyani
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 6:02:35 AM

Finally, a vista that somebody is proud of!

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NoSmokingBandit
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 11:37:51 AM
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I'll believe it when i see it. I dont think it will happen for a few reasons.
Bad Company 1 didnt impress me a whole lot so unless they updated their engine a whole lot i dont see them making a huge step forward.
Uncharted 2 is stunning. Its not just better than any other game, its far ahead of anything else.
Lastly, BF:BC2 is cross platform, meaning its already limited by the 360, development time, and the split budget between the consoles.

That said, i respect DICE for admitting that they have to beat someone else. They might be the new Valve in my book, now that Valve is a bunc of lazy incompetent wusses.

Imo, the only game on the horizon that has a chance of beating UC2's graphics is God of War 3.

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Mamills
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 5:51:02 PM

very true god of war and heavy rain i would look to if a game is to outgo uncharted 2
i played the god of war demo and although it is stunning im not too sure if its as impressive, but then again ill wait for the full version, ill be buying them anyway

PlayStation exclusives are all i really buy anyway

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bomba2812
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 11:38:29 PM

in my opinion heavy rain is far from looking as good as uncharted 2, though god of war 3 looks really great

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swapnilgyani
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 2:07:44 AM

While God of War games have always looked stunning, I've never thought of them as "benchmark makers" in terms of graphics...never found them to be groundbreaking, so to speak. Gameplay is where its strength truly lies, and for me, no game till date has measured up to the God of War series in that aspect.

As for visual benchmarking, I'm placing all my bets on Gran Tourismo 5 to surpass the eye-popping, jaw-dropping visuals of Uncharted 2.

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Silent_J
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 11:50:26 AM
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Hope its as good as they say,better for us.On a sidenote the new Medal of Honor is not looking too bad itself.

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NeoHumpty
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 12:12:42 PM
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You know what's BAD about "measuring stick games" like Uncharted 2? It made every other great game I played last year seem choppy and under developed. I love the idea of all the other developers stepping up a bit where ever they can, though. Thank you, ND.

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Hezzron
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 12:27:41 PM
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You want to talk about a MP heavy game with a lousy SP experience?....Look no further than the first Bad Company.

I wasn't too crazy about the control configuration either, which put a damper on my MP experience with it too.

Hopefully the 2nd will be better.

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BTNwarrior
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 12:28:43 PM
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The only thing I'm wondering about this game is if they are focusing on multiplayer or single player. Cause if they want to compete with MW2 than multiplayer has to be #1.

Not that it will matter much since MAG will be out by then

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ed_winchester
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 12:42:25 PM
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I used to have a lot of respect for DICE but now they are beginning to sound like a me too company.
Maybe this statement on its own wouldnt have been so bad but the fact they made that bold statement the very week MW2 came out could begin to make them look like like they've had "How to handle the media" lessons from Turn 10
BTW Ben you said DICE were resposible for Dead Space, I thought it was Visceral who made that game

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Orvisman
Sunday, January 10, 2010 @ 4:03:53 PM

@Ed,

You are correct sir. Ben is wrong.

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Scarecrow
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 12:59:55 PM
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Uncharted 2 > Bad Company

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yak4life85
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 1:09:40 PM

Are you serious comparing Uncharted 2 a great game possibly the best game of 09 to battlefield. The first battlefield was released 1 1/2 years ago. Wait until BFBC 2 comes out then you could judge.

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Arvis
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 2:06:30 PM

Ok, fine then...

Uncharted 1 > Bad Company

-Arvis

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King James
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 10:53:54 PM

pwned

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ohmikkie
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 1:08:01 PM
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i just hope they are not talking bollocks. But based on 1943 I think they can achieve that goal.

I must admit its going to be a tough one for me time-sharing between MAG and BFBC2 this year. And I've got to fit in the other great games due out as well.

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yak4life85
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 1:15:09 PM
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BFBC 2 is first day buy for me! I like the confidence coming from DICE. They truly belief they have a great game coming to the public. They feel they put in their time to make a quality game so why not talk a little here and there.

1943 was great might i add. Good $15 spent there.

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bigrailer19
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 1:41:44 PM
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I think they are still a little skeptical. He constantly said "But we're reaching that level of quality." That tells me maybe on the next game they'll get there! ;)

Either way this is good for the industry. Naughty Dog basically has set a standard! who want to look at anything less amazing than UC2? I dont, as much as i have to, its still just an amazing thing to see a game glow like UC2 does!

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kevyd09
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 1:41:49 PM
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i thought the first game was brilliant and the graphics and mechanics of the game worked really well
i dont think they will surpass U2 but i do think they will make somethine really good with brilliant graphics and gameplay
@ben whats that quote from at the start of the article?

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shaydey77
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 2:01:20 PM
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I'm not sure if it was in the forums here or what but someone had their sig as:

the definition of irony is..
EA publishing a game titled Bad Company.

Still I like the look of the game!

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tridon
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 2:06:33 PM
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I'm not entirely sure if I'm looking forward to this game. I didn't care much for the first game, but this one does look a LOT better, so I'm not sure.

I do know one thing, though. I REALLY wish DICE would develop some new DLC for Battlefield 1943. I enjoy playing that a lot more than the BF:BC2 beta.

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sobleck
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 2:40:03 PM
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having played the bf:bc2 beta I must admit that the environments are huge, more so than naughty dogs multiplayer environments, but since the uncharted's story is linear and you cant really move back in the story it gives you the impression that your in one everexpanding map. The level of details in teh building for BF:B2 is also impressive

The Beta is set in a desert but they still manage to throw in some vibrant colours here and there in the shape of drum cans and such. but still uncharteds vistas albeit smaller looke better in my opinion.

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Vivi_Gamer
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 3:19:02 PM
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They seem a bit to cocky with this game for their own good.With 2010's line up, i cant see it doing aswell as they hope.

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backatcha00
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 4:36:33 PM

agree

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Banky A
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 3:27:20 PM
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Let us roll the DICE... see what comes up.

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Reccaman18
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 7:43:10 PM

I like Dice, he's funny. Wait, you are talking about the comedian, right? lol

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Banky A
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 2:31:56 AM

Yes!
Wait, do you mean Dai Henwood?

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Sir Shak
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 3:32:47 PM
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This is how competition should be in the industry . Your confidence shouldn't affect your respect for someone else's achievements . I hope some other people ( Turn 10 ) can learn from them .

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Rings of Uranus
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 4:04:17 PM
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i missed out on the first bad company, sadly.
but i like DICE games ever since BF 1942 ( i loved doing kamikazes lol)
anyways, ill be sure to check this one out.

but between this and mag....dayum thats a lot of shooting...

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Darwin1967
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 5:12:15 PM
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gotta say, as a person who loves MW2, this game is looking awfully good and one title that I might be willing to drop MW2 for. Since MW2 seems to be a breeding ground for cheater scum, it just might be possible that BF:BC2 might just be a breath of fresh air that can stand up on it's own for playability, graphics and storyline, but not be so immensely popular you have every known hack attempting to break its code and sour the MP gaming that I've come to love and enjoy.

Looking forward to this for sure :)

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BeezleDrop
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 6:13:21 PM
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I disagree with quite a few comments, comparing BC to the 1st Uncharted isn't really a valid comparison. 2 different types of games, and Uncharted is an exclusive, which has no boundries graphicly. If BC2 were in fact a PS exclusive then I could take them a bit more seriously about calling out Naughty Dog and U2 with graphics. Something I always noticed that made BC stand out was the sound design, its unmatched. Some of, if not the best I will here in a FPS. In my opinion the BC2 Beta DESTROYED MW2, but I won't drone on about how much I think MW2 is the biggest let down of the century. DICE cannot top U2 graphicly, but they will craft one of the best FPS's of 2010.

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geovanwitdakick
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 6:46:15 PM
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is it true that there was no game mode in Bad Company that allowed you to respawn? I'm not really attracted to games like those, they usually turn into campfests.

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ohmikkie
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 7:09:51 PM

There was re-spawning just like the previous battlefields. Band Company has two game modes: Conquest and the original mode (I forget what is was called but you had to progressively capture or destroy a series of pairs of crates).

In conquest you spawn like the previous battlefields.

In the "other one" you re-spawn at a base whether you are defending or attacking.

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Crabba
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 9:04:50 PM
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Too bad for them Uncharted 2 is a benchmark in so many other categories than just graphics.

In fact I'd say graphics isn't even U2's strongest feature, even though it does have the best graphics I've ever seen in a game!

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NoSmokingBandit
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 10:54:35 PM

Zactly. Uncharted 2 does everything 100% awesome. The reason the graphics thing comes up alot is because you can instantly tell it looks amazing. You have to spend some time with the game to see that the sound, story, acting, and pacing is 100% perfect.

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Cholo Gamer
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 10:48:10 PM
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Oh man these guys make me laugh. How is a multi-plat going to look better? Oh well they're just crazy.

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Akuma07
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 2:20:42 AM

Thats being a bit biased isnt it?

Your saying ALL multi-plat games ever created, will never even look anything close to a exclusive?

Why can't a dev working on a multiplat game, make it look absolutely amazing on the ps3?
Why do they have to make it the same as the 360? Because that is in fact microsofts fault for having an inferior machine.

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Cholo Gamer
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 5:18:27 PM

Yup that's what i'am saying because they don't have enough time to work on all to make them look as good.

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King James
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 10:55:56 PM
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I thought EA Redwood aka Visceral made Dead Space?

Anyway, DICE is a talented developer and I hope BFBC2 does well for them. I'm burned out on shooters though so I won't be playing it. Where are my RPGs?

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___________
Friday, January 08, 2010 @ 11:15:52 PM
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DICE seriously need to shut up!
honestly i have never seen them like this, there normally quiet and modest but they have been gloating so fu**ing much im starting to think dan greenwalt has switched from turn 10 to DICE.
im really looking forward to battlefield bad company 2, i loved the first one because the sound was completley INCREDIBLE!
for once gun fire sounds like gun fire, not like someone tooting off.
and the building destruction was so cool, why go through the door when you can create your own?

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Akuma07
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 2:18:27 AM

how are they gloating?

they are putting themselves out there, trying to get some rep, they have a very FINE bunch of games under them, so they deserve it.

This entire industry is all about FUN isnt it?

Sounds to me like they just were having a bit of fun with another Dev.

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___________
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 7:23:11 AM

no they are gloating.
ever since the MW2 having no dedicated servers fiasco DICE have been hitting against IW non stop.
i love DICE there a brilliant development studio but nothing pisses me off more than snoody, up themselves people.
MW2 did not have dedicated servers BFBC 2 does so they had to slice the vein open and rub salt into it.
get over it, move on, make your game dont gloat about it.
developers should be talking about their games not dissing others.
thats what made me not buy forza 3, i was really excited for it but dans fat mouth put me off.

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Qubex
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 2:12:03 AM
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It's always good to hope i guess :)

Q!

"i am home"

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 2:27:46 PM
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I'll be happy to test drive a demo, but I don't think I have room for more FPSs.

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Qubex
Sunday, January 10, 2010 @ 1:56:33 AM

I would like to drive a demo... It is on my list for purchase. By the way, MAG has very impressive graphics in 1080p, Crisp texturing and nice vistas, but the game play feels stiff and slower than MW1 or MW2. Killzone2 and I think BC2 are better games. BC2 should feel better at least than MAG!

Q!

"i am home"

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