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Sony: Heavy Rain Graphics Outstrip Uncharted 2

So far this year, I've been hinting that many developers with super promising projects will immediately make comparisons to Uncharted 2: Among Thieves, simply because of the "measuring stick" quality I've spoken of in regards to Naughty Dog's masterpiece.

Well, it's happening again. Yesterday, Battlefield 2: Bad Company developer DICE, while still paying the correct amount of respect to Uncharted 2, claimed their vistas were superior in terms of graphics. And because many associate a raising of the visual bar with 2009's Game of the Year, everyone is looking to make comparisons to what could be the best-looking titles of 2010. Take Heavy Rain, for instance. We all know it's going to look fabulous - the footage we've seen thus far is might impressive - but according to GamerTell, one Sony representative who showed off the game at this year's CES show took it a step further. When prompted during a presentation of a Heavy Rain demo, the rep said, "graphically, it blows Uncharted 2 away." You can actually hear the rep say this in the video provided through the link and if you're on the fence, you can decide for yourself on February 23 when Quantic Dream's massively anticipated new IP arrives. For our part, it's very difficult to compare the two sets of graphics presentations; they're both striving for completely different things within completely different gameplay formats.

But perhaps what everyone is starting to note is that most all games in these "best graphics" conversations tend to be PlayStation 3 exclusives; Uncharted 2, Killzone 2, God of War III, Heavy Rain, Gran Turismo 5, etc. It's worth noting...as I look back on the dark days of 2007.

Related Game(s): Heavy Rain

1/9/2010 10:34:40 AM Ben Dutka

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Alienange
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 10:56:45 AM
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Well this is a lot less of a compliment than what Dice offered earlier. This is strictly "big mouth" syndrome if you ask me.

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www
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 1:39:59 PM

Yeah but what if its some marketing strategy he's trying to pull off...

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coverton341
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 2:05:50 PM

You have to take into consideration that this is not a dev from Quantic saying this but a Sony rep so it may have a bit more clout than it would coming from a dev.

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Orvisman
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 3:32:03 PM

@Coverton,

Yep. Sony is comparing a Sony game to a Sony game, so it has a bit more validity than a developer pumping its own game up by tearing down a competitor (like M$ft does, e.g. Forza 3 and GT 5).

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johnld
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 4:49:38 PM

i would expect it to be better graphics than uncharted 2. I mean,uncharted 2 had a lot going for it, graphics, story, and gameplay. From what im hearing, heavy rain's main draw is its story telling elements. In order to immerse the player in the game, then superior graphics is needed. Im not saying that uncharted 2 wasnt a very good story teller, its more about heavy rain being a lot more story heavy than uncharted 2. However, uncharted 2 does have a lot of things going on onscreen at certain points like the train level. I havent seen much of heavy rain but from what i see, it didnt have that much going on compared to uncharted 2.

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Alienange
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 6:15:27 PM

I hear you guys, I really do, but saying "graphically, it blows Uncharted 2 away" not even three months after UC2's release shows a serious lack of class on his part and disrespect for the best game the PS3 has to offer.

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Jackyl
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 8:35:38 PM

I'm not going to say in my opinion if it is solely just marketing or not. Though I will say there are certainly reasons it could be on Sony's part. Sony wants software sales just as much as the developers do. Let's face it, Uncharted 2 is yesteryear's game so its most important sales days have come and gone, while Heavy Rain's are right around the corner. What more, to continue to bolster Uncharted 2's sales Sony can count on U2's Game of the Year status.

I will be looking forward to Heavy Rain and hope it will show us how developers can continue to further push the envelope.

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NeoHumpty
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 11:10:17 AM
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It's the gameplay that I'm worried about on this one. Uncharted 2 was not only great graphics. It was also huge and a lot of fun. They don't have to worry about the player scaling walls or gunning down a group of 20 bad guys when making Heavy Rain. The game does look beautiful, but I'm waiting for some reviews. I'm just not convinced that a whole game of QTE will be something I'll stay into long enough to make it worth $60 to me. I'm not putting it down, I just want to hear the reviews after people have been able to put a lot of time into it. Looking forward to what you guys will have to say.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 11:46:03 AM

This game isn't just QTE. to be honest, I'm more interested in the story of heavy rain then gameplay grphx or anything

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NeoHumpty
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 11:53:03 AM

I agree that I'm interested in the story. I'm not looking to argue over it because I haven't gotten to play it for myself yet. And I've only let myself watch a couple of trailers so I don't get any spoilers. From what I have watched, they only showed QTE's. I just haven't made up my mind if it's a rent or a buy yet. I'll let the pros figure that out. ;)

Don't think I'm down playing the game, I'm really not. Just not sure if it will be for me or not.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 12:07:46 PM

Well, I didn't down you so dun think that =P
But I understand,a lot of videos are of QTE and such, but that's only during sequences like that, there's a lot of character movement and other things via analog sticks and other stuff too.

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Ultimadesires
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 12:14:37 PM

If your unsure try a game called Farenheit/Project Indigo, Its on the PS2/XBOX and PC. Its the same sort of styled game made by Quantic Dream, I found it one of the overlooked treasures of that gaming gen.

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NeoHumpty
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 12:16:35 PM

w00t. Just saw this on QJ.

Yes we're still planning a demo pre-release. I can't tell you the details now but we'll have more information soon.

That will help.

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Naztycuts
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 12:20:50 PM

this weeks episode of Qore has a "demo" with it, they also talk about Dante's Inferno, Heavy Rain, and Bioshock 2 so I thought it was worth it.

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NeoHumpty
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 12:30:34 PM

A demo on Qore? I didn't even see it. All I saw was a wallpaper. I'll have to look again.

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Naztycuts
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 2:11:24 PM

It's at the end of the Heavy Rain preview, it's not a demo really it's more like a scenario they let you play. It's definitely worth $3 given all the other info and the 2 "exclusive" themes you get.

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NeoHumpty
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 2:21:20 PM

FRACK!! I have a Qore subscription and went to watch the trailer. Now I'm pretty sure I know what the killer looks like! Those bastards! That's why I was avoiding it. Dammit.

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NeoHumpty
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 5:12:30 PM

Really? Someone thumbed me down for not wanting spoilers?

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Fane1024
Sunday, January 10, 2010 @ 6:00:27 AM

It's actually called Indigo Prophecy in NA and anyone on the fence about Heavy Rain should give it a whirl.

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Naztycuts
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 11:42:26 AM
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After seeing the graphics for Uncharted 2 on the game, and watching some trailers for Heavy Rain the two look identical in the graphics department. I dont know why he said Heavy Rain kills Uncharted 2 in graphics it's not like the game is in 3d or anything, if anything graphics would be "ranked right up there with Uncharted 2." Poor choice of words by the Sony rep.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 11:49:42 AM

Well that depends on the person looking, to me, Heavy Rain looks more realistic while U2 had a less realistic style. Now someone could say that since they weren't realistic graphx in U2 that it's not as good as something that's photo-realistic like Heavy Rain. To me though, I think Heavy Rain does look better, but I wouldn't say it blows U2's graphx away as Uncharted 2's graphx are definitely one of a kind.

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Naztycuts
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 12:41:44 PM

I don't know about you Wolfeh but when I saw Drake on UC2 with that soot on his face it instantly reminded me of the beginning of Killzone 2 when Visari is making that speech, he just looked so real! Also there were times in the cut scenes where the characters just seemed to jump out of the screen at you and you are caught in this little vortex where you almost think it's real for a second! Thats how it was with me anyways. As far as this guys statement goes I'm ready to see what the ps3 is truly capable of and I hope he is 150% correct because I've seen some very awesome things from it already this generation and I know it will only continue to amaze me as time goes on. Developers are only going to be able to use it better as they work with it more often just look at Uncharted vs. Uncharted 2, even though Naughty Dog are among the top developers this gen in my opinion, I think we are in for a long fun filled ride in 2010.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 12:50:59 PM

Mmm, well honestly for me, when it comes to Uncharted 2, no matter how amazing everything looked, I knew I was playing a game because of the art style, with Heavy Rain and it being photo-realistic it's just a bit different. But like I said, in it's own way, Uncharted 2 is 100% complete amazing.

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I_defenestrate
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 11:51:13 AM
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Did anyone else get the impression that guy in the video doesn't know what he's talking about? Unless I misheard him, he said the script was 20,000 pages long.

Also, from the way it looked, watching that girls face in the video reminded me of some of the scenes from Silent Hill 2. Not the survival horrorness of it, but just the way it looked while she moved around. It looked a lot better, but it gave me that impression.

Cannot wait for the 23rd of February..

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LegendaryWolfeh
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 12:06:37 PM

You probably misheard as the script should be 2,000 pages long, the last time is was talked about. 2,000 pages and 40,000 words, but that was in 2008 ;)

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LegendaryWolfeh
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 12:09:14 PM

oh and here's some other stats on it, also I might remind, this is 2008 stats.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/heavy-rains-vital-statistics-blog-entry

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Feregrin
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 1:21:46 PM

2000 pages but only 40000 words? That's like what, 20 words per page? O_o I don't know about you, but I usually get in many more than that on one page.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 1:55:46 PM

maybe these pages are 5x7 index cards?

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Bo0mKiiD
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 12:17:40 PM
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I hate that picture(the one used for the article), She looks like a 5 year old indian girl.
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Alienange
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 6:24:09 PM

Yeah you'd think they'd choose a picture that doesn't make her look like a boy. Good graphics or not, someone there can't draw.

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SnipeySnake
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 12:21:50 PM
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Naughty Dog is amazing at mouth animations. Seriously i have jak and daxter 1 and the mouth animations are perfect.

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bOnEs
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 12:24:16 PM
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i think heavy rain's character models and world objects look very realistic... uncharted 2's graphics that blew most away was the environment... heavy rain's use of shadows and object detail seem more polished than uncharted 2 to me... but, i can't be sure 100% because, i haven't played heavy rain yet...

but, i will say the graphics really do look really good... the PS3 is the system to get if your one of those people who say graphics are a major reason behind buying games... at least with the exclusives anyways... the multi-plats are still a work in progress...

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NoSmokingBandit
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 12:44:06 PM

"heavy rain's use of shadows"

This is the only thing i disliked about Uncharted 2's graphics. I know shadows are hard as balls to render correctly without making them all pixelated (im looking at you, NG∑2), and ND makes some really crisp shadows, but thats almost a bad thing. Very rarely is a shadow a clean line. Shadows are always a little fuzzy unless there is only one light source and the objects are super close together. Imo, is ND can manage some post-processing on the shadows and blur them a bit it will make the UC3 look so much better than UC2.

I havent really noticed shadows in HR, i'l have to look for those next time i watch a clip.

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Hezzron
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 12:34:00 PM
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The graphics might be as good as Uncharted 2, but I doubt it will "blow it away".

The color certainly won't be better than Uncharted 2, unless you really like different shades of brown.

I wouldn't take this home video of some booth guy randomly winging it with someone too seriously.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 12:52:35 PM

Different shades of brown? Look more like shades of black or grey to me. The game is definitely noir and made by french people (tho that doesn't affect much, lol) so of course it's going to be dark, nothing happy about a serial killer story and people's lives that have gone wrong.

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NoSmokingBandit
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 12:40:36 PM
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Unless they've changed a lot since the trailers and recent gamplay footage i dont see it happening. Sure, HR looks good, but it didnt blow me away.

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Ricochet
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 12:40:36 PM
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Honestly, the game does blow Uncharted 1 away (but I would say it stacks up higher than Uncharted 2) but it's quite obvious most of the Cell's power is directed to the graphics as opposed to the physics and other "technical" features in Uncharted 2. Hey, at least it's a SONY exclusive, I'd be flipping out if that was a multi-plat or a 360 game.

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isaya85
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 12:50:22 PM
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lets just face it we all know soon that U2 is going to get topped by some other Ps3 exclusive whether it's HR, GOW3 etc it all remains to be seen when they finally release, I for one like to see the 1st party devs try to one up each other it all leads to better games, if HR happens to come out on top good I don't want it to stop at U2 I want the bar to be raised higher

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Naztycuts
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 12:59:07 PM

+1 for promoting 1st party 1upmanship

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jaybiv
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 12:55:24 PM
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Well they've been spent more time on the game than ND did with U2 so they should have no excuse. I'm not too big on comparing the two though. They are two different types of games. I don't know much about Heavy Rain, but I would gather that they don't have the the same resource requirements since it's not as action intense as U2. So that would leave room for more graphical refinement.

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godsman
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 1:22:30 PM
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One thing I don't like about Heavy Rain are their eyes. They look out of focus, like soulless dolls.

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Shams
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 1:53:26 PM

The "Uncanny Valley" effect: ranking somewhere near zombie. Somehow, ND managed to avoid that, even with those luminescent eyes.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 1:39:22 PM
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But could any game dev ever make an ass as fine as Chloe's?

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www
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 1:41:27 PM

But Bayonetta's America's next to model.
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www
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 1:42:54 PM
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Well we'll see if it's true, so long as you have both UC2 and Heavy Rain in your collection you're safe, no need to worry.

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Danny007
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 1:45:21 PM
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I can't wait to see Uncharted 3's graphics

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MyWorstNightmar
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 8:54:03 PM

Here here. Look at Gears of War, and Gears of War 2 (not much difference).

Now look at Uncharted and Uncharted 2. Big leaps and bounds.

Can't wait to see what we get treated to with Uncharted 3.

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Robochic
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 2:04:46 PM
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Honestly the graphics for this game looks great. For me to compare to UC 2 or any other game I would need a Side by side.

All I care about is the story line to be honest! Just finished paying this game off today :) can't wait.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 2:24:12 PM
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:O

Well at least it's a ps3 game, so it makes sense

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Scarecrow
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 3:17:55 PM

Crap, this sounds slightly fanboy-ish

Anyway, at least it's good to see that companies are acknowledging Uncharted 2 as being the best looking game of this gen (graphically)

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Banky A
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 4:12:55 PM

You are a fanboy.
Tehe

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Scarecrow
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 4:25:00 PM

Damn...

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furbiesmustdie
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 3:10:31 PM
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I said it before I'll say it again graphics really aren't that much of a selling point and nor should they be, Uncharted 2 was just nice enough to throw it in for free.

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eLLeJuss
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 3:18:52 PM
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IT should. cause IMO whats gonna drive this title is its graphics and Story.

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Orvisman
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 3:34:47 PM
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@ Ben,

Did Dice really say Bad Company 2's vistas were graphically superior to Uncharted 2's vistas or that Bad Company 2's vistas were superior because they were beautiful AND LARGER than Uncharted 2's vistas? There is a distinction there.

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Jalex
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 4:04:25 PM
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Obviously, I've yet to see 'Heavy Rain' in action on my home setup, but from what I've seen thus far, I would have to imagine that it does surpass 'Among Thieves.'
Probably because the game is so controlled (of course there are many, many choices to make, but each is likely meticulously detailed so the player doesn't feel they made the 'wrong' decision), as opposed to 'Among Thieves' or nearly every other non-rail shooter. You can't just randomly pull a gun and start shooting everything/everyone up, your actions have to make sense in context, allowing the developers to plan for every scenario.

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sobleck
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 4:04:59 PM
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i'd have to disagree based on the gameplay footage i've seen, plus uncharted 2 is stylized. while heavy rain aims for a more realistic look. And in my opinion, emotion is expressed far better on the faces in uncharted than on the faces i've seen in heavy rain footage. so yeah i'd have to say that sony rep should think twice before he speaks, i'm sure the debate is a lot more complicated.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 4:05:37 PM
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Vista....

Seriously wtf?
Where has the word "environments" gone to?

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Banky A
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 4:14:22 PM

Trying to promote Windows Vista.
Obvs.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 4:24:36 PM

ugh....

They'd be better off presenting Windows XP

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Alienange
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 7:22:03 PM

Environments can be "harsh" while vistas can be "large." It's two different things.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 4:26:32 PM
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HR just looks much more gloomy and dark than Uncharted 2, which had the richest color palette of all time. So it would be difficult to tell, but if any game can pull it off it should be this one.

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King James
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 4:31:52 PM
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Can't tell...I'll wait for next month.

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Ghidora
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 6:33:10 PM
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hmm from the gameplay trailers i dont think the graphics looks half as good as Uncharted 2...? more like GTA IV with better characters...

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fooosie
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 6:56:09 PM
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[hmm from the gameplay trailers i dont think the graphics looks half as good as Uncharted 2...? more like GTA IV with better characters... ]

True... Im not as impressed with the vids & trailers as I was a few years ago. I'm hoping QD has stayed on top of the leading edge. If they surpass UC2 in graphics I will be happy. Let us not forget that UC2 has raised more bars than graphics. Game play, physics, story and acting.

Uncharted 2 has ruined me for other games...
At least for now

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Orvisman
Monday, January 11, 2010 @ 11:54:56 AM

Like GTA IV?

Seriously?

You better get to the eye doctor ASAP.

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FlyingKickPunch
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 7:14:29 PM
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every gen we have this "oh man they cant make better graphics than this"
but they always do...

i wonder what the ceiling on graphics is?

I personally think the future lies not in graphics, but animation. Without great animation, the greatest graphics in the world are nothing more than pretty robots, great for screenshots, but a chore to play. I think thats part of what made uncharted 2 so unbelieveably awesome. sure it had untouchable graphics, but the shining star for me was the quality of the animation.

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sabitrulz
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 11:04:45 PM
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Heavy Rain and Splinter Cell: Conviction both have a feb23 release date............now um getting really confused.......

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Qubex
Saturday, January 09, 2010 @ 11:52:15 PM
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Simply, I don't think you can compare the two. Two very different games; different colour scheme and lighting rig setup. Textures and overall detail will be affected differently.

Similar making a comparison between Uncharted 2 and BC2 is also not right. BC2 should compare itself to Killzone2. Are people already forgetting what a graphical masterpiece Killzone2 was - and still is!!!

Q!

"i am home"

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Akuma07
Sunday, January 10, 2010 @ 12:56:02 AM
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With all due respect, i read that article a few times, i do not remember DICE saying that their graphics would be superior to U2.

Infact i remember them specifically saying that they weren't going to make a claim such as that.

I hope people arent just getting all roughed up, just becaused its U2..

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___________
Sunday, January 10, 2010 @ 1:13:04 AM
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mmmm.
excuse me if im a little skeptical.
best graphical game for this year has to go down to crysis 2 no doubt.
thats if they dont gimp the PC version just because of it going to consoles.
if crysis 2 comes out and is not as much of a graphical leap as crysis 1 than crytek better start running because there going to have a massive army after them.
me included.
crytek is about all the PC has left, they better not betray their fan base otherwise they will suffer.
just look at what happened to IW and MW2.

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FlyingKickPunch
Sunday, January 10, 2010 @ 1:40:05 AM

how will they suffer? by selling more copies? because all one will need is a game console and not a NASA supercomputer to run it? logic, my boy!
besides, pc has plenty of good games coming up. you'll be fine

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___________
Sunday, January 10, 2010 @ 7:24:33 AM

obviously you did not see the sh*t IW copped from MW2.
not to mention its the most pirated game in history, 50K says them giving the finger to PC gamers has 100% to do with it.
the PC needs some exclusives just like every other system does.
o and you dont need a supercomputer to run crysis.
my 3 year old toshiba notebook runs crysis with no problems.

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Orvisman
Monday, January 11, 2010 @ 11:53:37 AM

How about IW gave the finger to PC gamers because of the piracy?

Chicken and the egg.

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swapnilgyani
Sunday, January 10, 2010 @ 4:10:53 AM
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About time executives let their software do the talking

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Zorigo
Sunday, January 10, 2010 @ 5:04:33 AM
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I'll tell you why im not suprised, graphics story visuals and feel is what HR is all about. so was uncharted2 and thats why both these games have great graphics. HR is better probably because they've had more time, and it's been they're only focus.

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tridon
Sunday, January 10, 2010 @ 8:54:50 AM
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After watching the newest episode of Qore, I'm not debating whether to just buy this or rent this first (it was originally a guaranteed buy for me). The whole 'push five buttons at once that aren't near each other or your character dies' thing was a bit of turn-off for me.

The graphics looks INSANE, though!

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DeathOfChaos
Sunday, January 10, 2010 @ 5:46:51 PM
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I can beleive it in some aspects, but have to disagree in others. The Graphics on Heavy Rain are pretty good, like awesome. But sometimes the graphics look kind of...odd? In the gameplay graphics with the PI, the black guy when he talks for the first time, his whole face around his mouth like shoves up into his nose it looks like. After that, it's alright but it still does it, lol. Doesn't do that in Uncharted 2, but they look kind of cartoony actually than real when it comes down to it. Come on, it's the Crash Bandicoot people, lol. Uncharted 2 looks fu**ing awesome, it really does, but the way it looks does look a bit cartoony and soft but that goes in favor of the game, though. At least their mouths don't shoot up into their nose when they talk, lol.

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aaronobst
Monday, January 11, 2010 @ 12:41:15 AM
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I didn't think it was even possible

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Kai200X
Monday, January 11, 2010 @ 1:36:28 AM
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To use one of the quote from the Simpsons:"Don't say things we can't take back". I mean I am glad Heavy Rain will have kick ass visuals but blow Uncharted 2 away? I don't think it's possible.

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dveisalive
Monday, January 11, 2010 @ 9:14:05 PM
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GT5 !!!!!!!!!!!> Heavy Rain > U2

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