FFXIII Deleted Content: "Enough For A Whole New Game?"

geovanwitdakick
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:02:56 AM
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wow. I would seriously be pissed if that was so. Ugh, dang DVD9's ruining my gaming experience.

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sonic1899
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 12:44:32 PM

wow. if something goes wrong with FFXIII it HAS to be M$ fault. it has to be the tiny DVD9. have any of you thought that the removed content just didn't match with flow of the final game. if you were developing something, you're not going to use ALL the ideas you conjure. for example, i've been writing a fiction ever since 2006 and the series for the novels have somewhere near 12 essential characters. during its development up to 2010, it had many more characters, most of which didnt fit in with the plot at all. i had cut out anyone i felt was unnecessary and the number of removed characters were enough for me to make two to three different novels. the point is, just because some content was removed from a piece of work doesn't mean that a 3rd party was the cause. its all a design choice. some of you guys grow up and realize that M$ didn't cripple FFXIII as bad as you think it did

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Alienange
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 1:33:33 PM

"considerations for game volume" tends to make you believe volume was a factor. No? Who can handle more volume per disc? MS or Sony? Do you know how much more it costs SE to have all those multiple discs? More than it costs pages in a book my friend.

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coverton341
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 1:36:20 PM

I can see where you are coming from sonic but to remove areas around the main characters house seems a bit of just cutting content to make it smaller especially when you are speaking on a FF title where most of the games have had side-quests and content that was purely and completely optional and in some cases made little to no cohesive sense to the main story itself. FF titles have always been very expansive, had optional quests that aren't necessary for the point of the game to be realised, and silly featured little easter eggs. Couple this information of cut content with the reports that the game is linear it seems a bit on the fishy side.

It may or may not be the fault of Microsoft but in the case of a FF title all the side areas and side-quests should have been left in simply by traditional series standards.

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sonic1899
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 2:41:36 PM

@Alienange
"Do you know how much more it costs SE to have all those multiple discs? More than it costs pages in a book my friend."
i know it costs more for 3 DVD9 disks compared to 1 bluray disk, but your going to have to explain that implication to me >:(

Last edited by sonic1899 on 1/13/2010 2:45:57 PM

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ace_boon_coon
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 3:25:18 PM

if this were an exclusive we all know this content cuttin wouldn't be an issue. don't fall for the okie doke. M$ crippled this game cause they're stuck in last gen. this game will still be bad ass but think of how it could be if it were exclusive

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johnld
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 4:26:42 PM

@Sonic,
You're forgetting the kind of game final fantasy is. Extra areas or places could mean more sidequests for the game. This equals more gameplay time for it. Just as coverton said, final fantasy games come with a lot of sidequests which add to the experience even if they dont do anything for the story.

Last edited by johnld on 1/13/2010 4:29:04 PM

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shadowpal2
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 6:03:36 PM

This is fu**ing bullsh**. I'm giving up on that moron of a president of Square Enix. That guy keeps disappointing me each day - and I KNEW...I JUST KNEW that this would happen.

It's definitely the DVD9's fault. Or to put it more bluntly - Microsoft's & Square Enix's fault for believing it would NOT BE FAIIIIIRRRRR =( to allow a game go to its limits with an amazing console like the PS3 when other consoles can't handle it.

This is why...I have my faith in Tetsuya Nomura who specifically said that he's making Final Fantasy Versus XIII with all the capabilities of the PS3 actually and putting it to its limits. That's why that game is exclusive.

I'll still buy FFXIII...but don't think I'll be amazed playing it considering I JUST GOT FUCKING HALF-ASSED!!!

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Akuma07
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 7:29:55 PM

they pretty much admitted that the 360 was the real reason....

What a joke!

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Alienange
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 8:03:17 PM

@ sonic1899 - Basically MS charges publishers per disc. You can't just publish a 6 disc game for the 360 and say "oh well that's what it is." No. MS has it's way with you before your game sees the light of day. By cutting out some "volume" (aka another full game), they save a lot of money and the game will sell just as well.

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lMephisto
Thursday, January 14, 2010 @ 7:29:46 AM

The Difference, Sonic, is that now developers have 33.4GB of Storage in BD with the regular "publishing fee" Sony Charges.

If that's not enough, they can use a Dual Layer BD with 66.8GB of Storage for a small amount extra. Considering that SE used 4 DVD9 for the Xbox360 Version of FFXIII, the whole game fits in the newer single Layer BD.

Knowing this, can you re-consider what you said about M$?
The bad thing is that they know that their console sells lots of games... and if you want to release a game on their console, you have to stick to DVD9.

As the song says... "Sadly sings destiny"

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riptide8
Thursday, January 14, 2010 @ 2:47:05 PM

I own both systems and I was wondering how they were going to pull it off for X Box. Its sad that the format lost content. What I would have done? Add it to the Ps3 disk and offer it as a free download for Xbox hard drives. The main question I have is what platform was it developed for, in otherwords which one is the port? I was really sad to hear of the problems for Bayonetta and actually many other games. Im trying to buy exclusives. I guess the key is to forgo pre sales and buy the game at a discount a few days later to see which version has the most problems. C' mon man this is a PS game.. I have been playing some demos and it seems that certain ones look way better on PS3.So Im playing a demo that looks better but for a game that has potential problems running on my PS3? The way that is looking is that I cant buy a game for PS3 that comes out for both consoles, it has to be ps3 exclusive.

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RykHavok
Thursday, January 14, 2010 @ 5:40:54 PM

Wow, settle down children. Maybe, just maybe, considerations of game volume is not refering to MS - but to the PS3. Maybe they're trying not to have to include more bluRay discs?

Plus they mentioned game balance. Im sorry but if cutting it gives a better overall game for me, Axe it.

& cut SE a little slack too. If they did include it & it did suck, you would hang em for it. If they did make it into a massive patch you had to download when you wanted to play, you'd hang em for it. If they did turn it into DLC youd freaking hang em for it. And heaven forbid if finishing those areas messed with the release date!

Just let it go.

or go ahead and not play it because a few areas were ommitted. There just couldn't have been anything fun in the rest of it.

Silly me I'll just be playing it. (& if/when these ommitions find their way to the PSN store i'll just ignore em & anjoy whatever else im playing)

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pillz81
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 3:43:32 PM

riptide8
It was developed for PS3 first, I believe.

RykHavok
Did you not read johnld and Imephisto comment? And game balance? feh. More like Disc space balance to me.

Last edited by pillz81 on 1/15/2010 3:47:01 PM

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noshownogo
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:03:16 AM
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One word Microsoft! Thanks to the dvd format SE probably had to chop their ambitious flagship title to bits.

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Zemus101
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:03:51 AM
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Of course that's why. This is the first time SE has done this to my knowledge.

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Arvis
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:03:52 AM
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"...or was it left out to make the the Xbox 360 and PS3 versions the same?"

YA THINK!?!

-Arvis

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Highlander
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:05:16 AM
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I smell more and more BS coming from Square Enix. This smacks of bowing to pressure from Microsoft.

"left out due to considerations for game volume"

Isn't that another way of saying it wouldn't all fit on a small number of DVDs and Microsoft had a hissy fit?

Screw it, I'm done with this crap until I see it released and reviewed, and even then it'll probably be a rental.

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rogers71
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:09:41 AM

My feelings exactly. Just another example of the plague that is Microsoft.

I guess Microsoft didn't want the Xbots to have to switch DVD's 5 or 6 times to play this game. Once again SE is pissing on Playstation.

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Qwarktast1c
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:48:20 AM

@ Highlander

you're exactly right! this is MAJOR BS!!
"left out due to considerations for game volume and overall game balance."
BULL!! this is FF we're talking about! game volume is supposed to be big & expansive with lots of side quests and things.

and what i want to know is what they mean by balance. isn't FF already balanced by letting YOU decide if you wish to find all the summons, legendary weapons, etc.?

if the amount of excluded content is indeed as big as it sounds, then the argument that some of it might not have fit, was bad, or was too lengthy is a crap argument. this stuff should be left on the ps3 version as exclusive content (permanent exclusive, no timed crap).

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hellish_devil
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:56:50 AM

Final Fantasy is already dead, don't you see it??? Damn Microsoft, this was like my most anticipated game of the year, but everyday more BS comes around, and it´ll keep coming. I think I won't buy this game anymore.

P.S. Square Enix sucks

Last edited by hellish_devil on 1/13/2010 11:58:13 AM

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bridgera
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 1:56:19 PM

I'm not sure it's fair yet to blame Microsoft.

Square Enix has been doing a lot of b/s to the series for a while now. Was the nonsense of Spirits Within, FFXI, or FFXII the fault of Microsoft? Or is SE just more worried about making video game movies than they are actual games?

This definitely sucks, but I'm not certain MS is to blame (and hey, they very may well be).

Either way, I'll consider this game when it hits the $20 bin.

Really, this game doesn't look like anything special.

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Karosso
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 3:09:46 PM

With you 1000%!!
Plenty of real games coming out right now to keep me happy anyways.

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johnld
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 4:32:54 PM

@bridgera
hey, i liked spirits within and FFXII. The trick is not to treat every final fantasy iteration as the same as the final fantasy game that you loved or associate the final fantasy name with.

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Qwarktast1c
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 10:41:08 PM

@ Bridgera

ok then, lets give MS and squenix the benefit of the doubt.

that only means that the content that was cut out for 1 of 2 reasons

1. Squenix indeed had to cut out that content because it really made the game TOO BIG, and the whole thing has NOTHING to do with the fact that it went multiplat or whatever. (bullshit reason)

or

2. Squenix cut out the content cause they wanted to make some money on the side with some DLC, or an expansion pack, or something because they have become so greedy that they will skimp on one of their best selling products.

now of these reasons I'm pretty damn positive it would be number 2.

however, I think it involes #2 and the reasons i mentioned above, and perhaps the idiot SE president Wada

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Arvis
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:06:12 AM
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Hey, guess what Square Enix: I'm no longer buying your game day one. I'll take my time with White Knight Chronicles, and then I'll pick up XIII used when I've had my fill of Level 5's masterpiece. That way, Squenix, you won't see a single cent of my hard-earned money.

You get what you give, Squenix.

-Arvis

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Orvisman
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:14:09 AM

Then be prepared for M$ft to crow the 360 version of FFXIII sold better on the 360 than the PS3, another coup for the 360 for what was, at one time, a Sony exlusive (GTA anyone?).

Just sayin'.

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MyWorstNightmar
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:21:05 AM

Orvis, agreed!

This is a LOSE LOSE situation for PS3 fans. Your tempted to send SE a message with keeping your hard earned dollar, but that will give Microsoft a reason to crow, and can only mean bad things for us moving forward.

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Arvis
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:37:38 AM

I get that, guys. I do. But I'm still not giving them my money. And M$ can crow all they like, it's going to be obvious which version of the game plays and looks better, and they're not going to have a whole lot else to crow about this year.

Squenix will know what's up when they see the sales for XIII Versus.

-Arvis

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Scarecrow
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 12:05:19 PM

That's what I've been saying

I could see right through FFXIII

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NeoHumpty
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 1:03:02 PM

It sounds like they are dead set on ruining the FF franchise, anyway. I am a huge fan, and it breaks my heart. Hell, it was FFI that got me into gaming to begin with. But, other game makers will pick up on what the fans are missing. I agree that WKC just went on my priority list.

Last edited by NeoHumpty on 1/13/2010 1:04:30 PM

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Ultimadesires
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 2:17:29 PM

Same here, I am certainly concidering WKC over FFXIII, which in itself sounds wrong.

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Gone
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:06:26 AM
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SE will use it for Final Fantasy XIII-2.

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godsman
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:11:15 AM

It's possible that they will save it for FFXIII versus. Since the FFXIII games are in the same universe, maybe they revise it to be the home of the protagonist in Versus, maybe even have the guy visit Lightning's town.

I'm sure the money and time they spent on this content will not be wasted. Either they use it for another RPG, or revise the design and save it for future FF series (if SE still make them). It's like the gaming engine. Once you make it, you can revise and reuse for later.

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hellish_devil
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 12:00:04 PM

Hope you are right godsman

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 3:52:59 PM

Sadly that is unlikely as Versus takes place in the same universe but at a very different time period.

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godsman
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:06:38 AM
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Let's not jump to conclusions. There are many games that cut out scenes or gameplay just because it didn't work out.

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Highlander
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:09:04 AM

Someone should collect all the information regarding FFXIII and SE, and put it on a timeline so that we can see just how things have changed over time. I think you might not have such an optimistic view if you were to do that.

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godsman
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:17:39 AM

I know what you mean. I have been keeping close eye to FFXIII news. It's the whole reason I bought a PS3.

I agree that the game would've been so awesome, if it were exclusive, because PS3 really have little boundary in imaginations of design. Designers were claiming they don't have to worry like they used to because of disc space, so they are more free to work.

Personally I would want to wait and see the review of the game, just to see if it's gonna be THE final fantasy game, or just ANOTHER final fantasy game.

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MyWorstNightmar
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:28:37 AM

Another thing to think about...

With the Wii, games like Dead Space: Extraction become a rail shooter because of the limitations of the Wii hardware.

What I have read on FFXIII is that it is a linear game. Was this due to the limitations of XBOX/fitting it on to a disc? Did SE have to rethink how they would develop this game to make it a much smaller experience then it could have been?

Last edited by MyWorstNightmar on 1/13/2010 11:29:51 AM

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NeoHumpty
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 1:13:03 PM

They would have earned a lot of my respect if they had made it like Dead Space did for Wii. A "dumbed" down version just for the X-box. I have to admit that I'm one of the people who's final decision to go with Sony was helped with the knowledge of FF being on the system later. Oh, well. I still don't regret my choice at all.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 8:24:42 PM

That was SE's plan at first.

But then MS screamed bloody murder, pointed at the contract and at the money they forked over, forcing SE to create a "similar" game to the PS3 version.

Since the 360 can't handle games of this size and scope, they had to bring down the PS3 version to meet the 360's standards.

I believe there was an earlier news article showing side-by-side pics of the early PS3 build and the current multiplatform build. Graphics and draw distance was vastly superior when it was still in its "exclusive" phase.

Now one can only wonder what might have been.

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big6
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:08:47 AM
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Yes, I would have to agree that this is a result of it going multiplat. There is some unspecified (but large) cost for the developer, if a game is released on the Xbox360 exceeds one DVD9. (it's been documented somewhere, but too lazy to find the link)

So, I'm sure Square-Enix is trying to minimize this added cost by taking out parts of the game. It's like a director cutting parts out of a movie, to fit a 2.5hr runtime. Then, the parts are thrown in on a future release... but in gaming, that's often called DLC. =/

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Highlander
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:10:07 AM

Don't care, I call BS on this whole thing. Even if what you say is spot on, all it means is a confirmation that Microsoft and the Xbox360 is indeed holding back the industry.

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rogers71
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:11:48 AM

Unfortunately, all the stuff that they have cut sounds more like expansive environment and not something that could be released as DLC.

Not sure but M$ strikes again.

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godsman
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:21:37 AM

I understand what you mean. It's more acceptable for movies to cut contents out, because not everyone has the patience to stay in the theater without peeing or resting for more than 2 hours.

For gaming, you are at the leisure of your home. Games are supposed to be long, especially RPGs. That's why you have save points and continue the next day.

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daus26
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:43:38 AM

@rogers71

I'm thinking the same thing. I think they're talking about expansive environments. Big enough for a whole new adventure, not necessarily a new chapter or something.

I don't think there's gonna be a DLC in the future, at least anything related to this.

@Highlander

Yep. It's as simple as that. MS is holding back this generation, specifically the PS3.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 8:30:22 PM

I guess the PS3 truly was and IS the only next-gen console.

May Sony continue to lead the way.

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mexgeo86
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:09:03 AM
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Just recently I heard that the game was very very linear and now I can see why. What a let down.

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godsman
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:22:58 AM

I heard it was divided into chapters, very much like Resident Evil 5. I hope not.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 3:56:43 PM

Well I'd say they just cut out every side quest non necessary location to visit to fit the 3 DVDs.

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pillz81
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 3:55:13 PM

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/12/18/final-fantasy-xiii-as-linear-as-a-piece-of-string/
here ya go.

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Orvisman
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:10:30 AM
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Mmmm... Isn't the 360 version already coming on three DVDs? If SE included this content, the 360 version would have shipped on six DVDs.

I can hear Aaron Greenberg now:

"The 360 version is the better version because you get six exercise breaks as you get up to change disks."

Seriously, though, DLC anyone?

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daus26
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:31:53 AM

I think I remember reading that article lol.

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rogers71
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:15:09 AM
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I personally think this game is going to be a watered down version and only a shadow of what it could have been. I will not be getting this game until I find it at a garage sale for like $1.00.

If SE is going to water down my experience, they will not be getting my hard earned cash.

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airwedge1
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:17:38 AM
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I am going to be very hesitant about buying this game. Definitely will not be a day one buy. I have a feeling that gow 3 and heavy rain are going to be vastly superior games because of the xbox affect.

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godsman
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:24:57 AM

If the reviews are bad, i'll probably wait till the price is slashed in half. FF games are never meant to have the legs for a couple months. Gamers know the series and many per-order them early.

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SvenMD
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:20:35 AM
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"Oh, we hope it isn't so..."

...oh, but we know it is...

The 360 has trully stagnated this generation. Next time Microsoft should try to make a great machine instead of pushing theirs to launch to make a quick buck.

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jaybiv
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 12:13:02 PM

MS can't. Look at the Zune and all the other hardware products they produced. They all flopped, because MS knows software and online. Xbox is the only one that has stuck.

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KilloWertz
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:23:37 AM
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I could care less as long as it is still an amazing game. I'm still buying the game on day one.

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Alienange
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 1:44:38 PM

"as long as it is still an amazing game" indeed. If it's not, you're going to be pissed... on day one.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 8:39:39 PM

Thank God for EB Games and its 1 week return policy.

Should the game suck or be worse than FF VII, VIII, IX, X or XII, or if the Collector's Edition has little to offer, I can just take it back and get my money back.

Ever since Sega left the hardware industry and MS entered, I've found gaming to be less fun and more competetive. Thank God Nintendo and Mario continues to survive to deliver that fun factor. And thank Christ Naughty Dog stayed exclusive to PS3 and created games both fun and challenging.

I wonder how long it'll be before MS tries to get their cash-ridden paws on Naughty Dog or Insomniac. Ughhh (shivers)...
I know they're already working on trying to buy out EA. Anyone else heard of this?

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daus26
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:30:45 AM
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Wow, sounds like a lot of stuff. It seems the 3 or 4 discs to be coming out for the 360 version is already too much. Surely, they didn't want the 360 version to be shipped with 8 plus discs! (Assuming the reason is "that" of course.) Imagine the size of the case with that many discs.

But honestly, it's obvious, and reasonable. It wouldn't make sense if the PS3 version had more environments I guess.

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michiganfan1983
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:37:39 AM
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Can any else smell DLC on this???? Although that really wouldn't make much sense in a game that has no back tracking or exploration.

The more I hear about this game the more I am considering delaying my purchase to at least rent the game first and see how it feels.

It would truely be a disappontment to hear if "...or was it left out to make the the Xbox 360 and PS3 versions the same" were ... uh true.

Last edited by michiganfan1983 on 1/13/2010 11:38:04 AM

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Nynja
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:42:15 AM
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What could have been included with the initial cost of the game (deleted content) may become priced downloadable content.

Gotta love digital distribution, putting more money in the pockets of the publishers. /sarcasm

Not that it isn't deserved, but there needs to be some sort of rules on the pricing scheme for DLC. This appears to be getting out of hand.

Conspiracy Theory:

Microsoft, being a large profit oriented business (more so than others), may have figured the DVD9 format would work perfectly allowing them to limit the content of a game so publishers/developers would have to release their full vision via downloadable content forcing users to pay extra for what should have been included in the initial investment of a newly released game.

Since Microsoft does collect royalties on all content downloaded from XBL in addition to XBL Gold membership fees, it makes sense they would force all publishers and developers to charge for DLC. If Microsoft did not force publishers or developers to price all DLC, then this theory would not hold water.

Sad part is it's working. Food for thought.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 3:59:36 PM

They should explore that on "Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura"

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 8:45:28 PM

It's already happening.

On Xbox Live I have seen episodes of large AAA games come out for about 20-30 bucks (Aussie money, so about $15-$20 US). So to own the full game, you need to purchase the 7-10 episodes which is significantly more than simply buying the disc.

MS plans to go fully online with their next Xbox. I honestly hope they do, cos it will kill the Xbox once and for all and the battle will resume between the two video gaming champions... Sony and Nintendo.

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Nynja
Tuesday, February 09, 2010 @ 12:47:27 PM

@Dance;

They may reconsider after seeing how bad the PSP Go has been doing.

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Gabriel013
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 11:51:21 AM
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I think it is more likely that it has been cut out to give them some premium rate dlc for release shortly after the game launches.

There are already a few games on the 360 which are multi disc. I can't see disc space being a limiting factor in this decision.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 4:00:37 PM

it costs the publisher a grip to use more than one dvd9 for MS

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Soultaker
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 12:01:39 PM
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What the hell ever happend to the "oh we won't be removing ANYTHING to compensate for the 360" what total BS

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Scarecrow
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 12:05:58 PM
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And it's not just that, the character designs are average as well... (imo of course)

Sad, unlucky 13 is no myth

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Buckeyestar
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 12:34:04 PM

Actually, most cultures consider the number 13 to be very lucky.

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hellish_devil
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 12:12:01 PM
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I hope they release somekind of "Ultimate edition" just like Resident Evil 5 with all the deleted content. Then I will forgive Square for all this BS.

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Orvisman
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 2:58:04 PM

Well, if you know the history of SE, especially with the FF franchise, you can expect FFXIII International with some of this additional content included.

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Ultimadesires
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 12:12:38 PM
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i hope this isnt a hint of downloadable content....

I hope its not going to be like XII, lacking in sidequests, sure it had the monster hunt but not much else.

This has actually dropped my excitement, i can see it being another dull experience of just running through locations battling.

Last edited by Ultimadesires on 1/13/2010 12:14:04 PM

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Ultimadesires
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 12:55:52 PM

Just looked some info on the game, i can honestly say im now not interested in the game, it just doesnt seem to be fun. It seem to be just as plain as XII, im actually not sure if i'll be getting this now, which is absurd for me especially to say, but the magic seems dead.

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Scarecrow
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 2:06:12 PM

Are you serious?

FFXII had a lot of side-quests
----

Though I agreeo n the FFXIII info. I've been doing a lot of research and have seen a lot of vids of it recently....

There's one piece of info I don't want to spoil for people. But that alone is a BIG disappointment

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Ultimadesires
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 2:41:11 PM

There was nothing like Blitzball, Chocobo racing, The card game. the monster hunt just got boring.

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Scarecrow
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 2:58:25 PM

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight... -_-

*Rare Monsters Sidequest
*Sky Pirate's Den Unlockable Figurines
*Seven Sisters Airship Sidequest
*Dantros Wife
*Flowering Cactoid Quest
*3 Medalions

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Banky A
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 3:23:11 PM

Damn 3 Medallions!

Don't forget the finding some of the Elite Marks and YIAZMAT!

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Arvis
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 3:35:30 PM

Meh, it still all revolved mostly around fighting pallette-swap monsters. Like Ultima, I wanted something as addictive and large in scope as Blitzball. I'll never forget when I first got FFXII and was playing through it, a friend of mine who had yet to play it asked me: "What's the mini-game? You know, like Blitzball or Triple Triad?" And I answered him: "Er... nothing."

Of course, unlike Ultima, I did ultimately love FFXII. :)

-Arvis

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Scarecrow
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 3:52:12 PM

mini-games based on fighting are the best kinds of mini-games.....

I'm weird I guess :O

Not everyone likes those European Football mini-games like Blitzball......

Seriously, that got old/annoying and had too much depth for its own good, imo.

Now, if it's fighting, bring it ooooon!!!! *roar*

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Douchebaguette
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 12:13:58 PM
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I know some 360 preferees are probably laughing at this right now, but to my eyes the situation goes like this:

-You are a PS3
-FFXIII is the wonderous trip you've longed & waited for
-The 360 is the burden of an annoying, narky douchebag that wasn't welcome but you can't do anything about it.

Now, you can live with this liability joining you on this adventure...until the organisers comprise & change route because that giant douche starts moaning all the time & wrecking the experience, thus hindering from the full essence of joy you KNEW you would of attained if he hadn't come along.

The most annoying part is at the end of the ordeal, he probably won't learn a thing except to be more despicable.

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MyWorstNightmar
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 3:33:47 PM

Here is to hoping your Avatar has been doctored in some way! lol

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 12:15:22 PM
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@Nynja,
You could be right & I wouldn't put anything past MS as immoral as they are.

But IMO, instead of DLC, I think SE's going to make 2 separate games with all this butchered content.

And by chopping up this game, this surely benefits SE the most. Now they can sell it as 2 different games and rake in double their profit.
Also, they could possibly keep some of this same content out of the 2nd game too, thereby adding even more profit for them from the 2nd game too.

I think SE's beginning a vicious cycle here. And if they are, then it will be certainly be our battle cry for their last hurrah.

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Nynja
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 3:23:43 PM

Ahh see, it's a selling point to publishers and developers since they technically would benefit from this evil plan composed by Microsoft. Which would only get more software companies on board when Gates flashes hundred dollar Bills in their faces with a promise of increasing profits for their partners and themselves.

...cue evil monkey from Family Guy...

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 8:52:58 PM

I'm just gonna give you a thumbs up for the evil monkey reference. Nicely worked in.

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NoSmokingBandit
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 12:20:10 PM
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If they did cut the game so it fits on on a DVD i'm going to go cancel my preorder. I dont support companies that pull sh** like this.

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hellish_devil
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 12:28:37 PM
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The content mentioned doesn't seem to be for a "whole new additional adventure", I think there is more content that was cut, but they didn't mention it.

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gumbi
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 12:36:51 PM
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eh? ... something doesn't make sense here. If these environments were already developed and polished, how could you justify the cost of cutting them out of the game? Unless you had some incentive from someone who would benefit from such a decision, suspicious no?

SE should have just built the game to their vision and released it on as many discs as needed. Tells us something about how dedicated they are to their art if they're willing to cut it up for a paycheque. I hate to say it... but I'm losing interest.

Last edited by gumbi on 1/13/2010 12:37:29 PM

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RadioHeader
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 12:53:29 PM
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I think this is on topic...

When a game requires more than one DVD, does it greatly affect MS profits?

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NeoHumpty
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 1:23:01 PM

I wouldn't think so. DVD's are cheap for us to buy and make, let alone if you are mass producing them. They may be more worried about the idea of gamers being turned off by the idea of disc swapping and not bothering to buy it. I don't see swapping as a deal breaker myself, but it sounds like some do for some reason. I'm all for whatever it takes to make it a great game. I remember the first time I played VII, I felt like it was an accomplishment to make it to the next disc.

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coverton341
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 1:40:35 PM

I know exactly what you mean! It was so nice to see that place holder screen that said please insert disc 2 or 3. Felt like you had made it through something substantial.

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NeoHumpty
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 3:01:40 PM

Haha. I even remember being a little sad when I had to put the last disc in because I knew it was almost over.

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Nynja
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 3:30:51 PM

I believe Microsoft would. id Software exposed Microsoft by stating once they reached 3 physical discs, the royalties really cut into the publisher's profits. Which is the reason they have been struggling to keep their game "Rage" on no more than 2 discs.

Other developers, like Square-Enix, will probably just increase the cost of the game to make up for the lost revenue on royalties.

-OR-

Microsoft convinced them to make it downloadable content where both parties would make more profit.

-OR-

Microsoft cut a deal with Square-Enix to entice them to bring the game to their system... "Please, Wada, we will not charge any additional royalties if you have to put the game on 3 or more discs."

Last edited by Nynja on 1/13/2010 3:31:37 PM

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NoSmokingBandit
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 5:19:58 PM

Multiple DVDs just make it glaringly evident that the 360 is inferior. The only reason they named it the "360" is so it sounded on par with the PS'3'.

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Geobaldi
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 12:57:47 PM
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Cuts or no cuts I'll still be picking it up. Perhaps all the missing content will be released later as add-on content or combined into a FFXIII Director's Cut or some sort. You never know.

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NeoHumpty
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 1:25:07 PM

"combined into a FFXIII Director's Cut or some sort" would be all the more reason not to buy it at first.

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Zemus101
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 10:40:45 PM

I'm with Geo though. I don't want to lose out on all this content just because of Microsoft (if that is the case) But I would be fine with paying whatever for extra DLC to get it later on. I just want the complete experience the way it shoulda been to begin with.

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Hezzron
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 12:58:15 PM
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This is quite amusing.

SE reveals that there is a good amount of FF13 game content left over, probably in hopes of getting JRPGites all excited at the thought of another game or DLC coming soon.

The result is tech savvy PS3 owners upset over a half empty Blu-Ray.

Backfire!

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NeoHumpty
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 1:26:02 PM

Boom.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 4:06:47 PM

Boom to the power of Boom.

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www
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 12:58:47 PM
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Damn 360 and their DVDs they've almost ruined the whole gen.

Guess money talks;

"Money say jump, Cat say how high?"....PlayBoy of GTAIV.

Money is MS
Cat is basically all the devs who back-stabbed PS3 this gen.

Last edited by www on 1/13/2010 1:01:14 PM

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 4:07:16 PM

what do you mean "almost"?

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www
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 6:10:29 PM

Matter of fact, remove the almost! I'm angry!

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rell
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 1:01:02 PM
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If SE choose to do dlc then its more money for them, but it will be bad for gamers who waited 4 to 5 yrs for this game and this happen. SE better lock there doors because gamers will be camping out in front of there doors with there staffs and swords even phoenix down wont help SE out of this one looking for a answer. Playb3yond

Last edited by rell on 1/13/2010 1:05:29 PM

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isaya85
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 1:09:52 PM
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I knew this was going to happen, this only confirms what everyone was saying all along that the ps3 was going to get gimpped cuz of the 360 version, things just keep getting better and better, I guess I have no choice but to support it so I don't give SE an excuse to make FFvsXIII multiplat. oh well

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Ultimadesires
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 1:15:14 PM

I honestly dont see why our gen cares about mutliple discs. Lost Odyssey has 4 discs but its a great game. Even that has sidequests which dont involve battles. i wouldnt care if the PS3 version of FFXIII had multiple discs. infact i liked it on 7,8 and 9 when you had to change the disc after a climax of a huge poltwist event event.

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 2:04:52 PM

I think when u realise the potential of Blu-Rays it makes changing discs a pointless alternative. If a developer can get the game on one blu-ray why spend the extra money to put the game on 3-4 dvd? Changing the discs didnt make the game great either. Its like in MGS4 when Otocon and Old Snake get in that argument about chaning discs and its really a funny scenario. Kojima pointed out that is a thing of the past... A thing of the PAST!

Its really a no brainer.

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RadioHeader
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 1:14:13 PM
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LOL, Douchebaguette. You've perfectly summed up our appraisal of MS, "annoying, narky douchebag". XD

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NeoHumpty
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 1:15:31 PM
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Well, I still have my hopes for getting into FFXIV, I guess. I have never been on the fence about a FF game to the point that I was waiting for reviews before I made up my mind to buy it or not.

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FullmetalX10
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 1:31:54 PM
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Why does microsoft keep destroying gamers' dreams (money obviously). The first time I saw this game's trailer when it came out one E3 a couple of years ago, I was incredibly hyped up telling all my friends about it. As soon as I heard that it went multiplat. I cursed Square Enix for screwing over Playstation. Then slowly I got a bit of that hype back as the new trailers arrived, thinking, ah what does it matter, fagbox will get it on lots of discs anyways and the Playstation will look and play better. And now the news of M$ killing off the hype yet again by not only holding the Playstation version back in terms of graphics, but even with content which was supposed to be in the game.

I Curse thou microsoft, for holding back and minimizing gaming for us Playstation owners.

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hellish_devil
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 2:26:07 PM

Exactly what happened to me

Last edited by hellish_devil on 1/13/2010 2:26:35 PM

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Oxvial
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 1:33:51 PM
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so in that content must be the towns and exploration that I like on jrpgs...meh not going to buy this until it hits 29.99

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Scarecrow
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 2:07:59 PM

no towns

*is a town freak*

No towns really hurts......really
And that's not all....

The shenanigans 'bout party leaders, etc. is horrible imo

Really sad stuff

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 4:23:27 PM

yeah, you shop at a freaking menu.

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Alienange
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 1:53:53 PM
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Enough for a "whole new game??" Either there was a TON of content cut, or this is going to be one terribly short game.

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 1:56:14 PM
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I hate to say it but i seen this coming all along! Soon as I heard the name 360, I instantly put my hand to my fore-head, and sighed in disbelief.

I must first say I'm not the biggest FF fan, but i was very much looking forward to this game at one time. As time goes on it seems more and more SE is dumbing this game down for the 360 fans, who have never been there once to play an FF game except maybe in the PS1 days or earlier. SE should know the fan base from Sony alone is enough to make an epic large game as they've always done. Now because M$ is sucking there D*** (excuse me, im really tired of M$ and the road the industry is gong down because of them) and throwing money to them possibly even whining and crying bout it, they decide to cater the game for the 360. I dont get it. SE obviously has decided the game is still good but as a developer a great one at that wouldnt you want to get the most out of your game? You dont cut out intended content, you dont cut out your vision of a game, if thats what you really wanted it to be. Sometimes sacrifices need to be made, I get that, but FF isnt a game to sacrifice when its going multiplat, it never should have been this way.

I just gotta say I have a feeling if this was a PS3 exclusive as it should be intended it would have been that large scale game it SHOULD be. FF is nothing short of that and it seems now it might be.

I really hopes its good for the people who buy it day one, I might as well still but ugh this decision keeps getting harder and harder. It shouldnt be that way! This should've been a day one no brainer.

Last edited by bigrailer19 on 1/13/2010 2:00:50 PM

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Zemus101
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 10:48:14 PM

That's how I'm thinking right now. I"m really excited for this game but every day I hear more and more of this stuff. Unless WKC comletely blows me away and keeps my interest for more than a month (when FFXIII releases) then I'll pick up XIII day one. I haven't played an FF that I've enjoyed since XI ..and that hardly counts. I was the biggest fan growing up and it is what made me switch from my SNES to go with a brand new Playstation. *crosses fingers* I'm hoping XIII is amazing.

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CrazyIrishBoy
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 1:59:05 PM
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AAARRRRGGGGGHHHH!! Have SE any good news at all?

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coverton341
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 2:08:13 PM

Yeah they have great news coming in the near future:

"Final Fantasy versus XIII is now going multiplat and will be cut down due to game volume considerations but it will double our profitability and make us even richer. With this new found money that an undisclosed company has given us we can now develop tons of DLC for both FFXIII and FFvXIII that ABSOLUTELY WAS NOT EVER INTENDED to be on the PS3 blu-ray disc from the start and make even more money off of which we will in turn use to buy yachts. Lots of yachts."

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CrazyIrishBoy
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 2:34:10 PM

Niiice, Yachts are a nice touch :)

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Riku994
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 2:05:08 PM
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Yay for more reasons to complain about the XBox!

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Jian2069
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 2:05:53 PM
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when i pop that game in my pc and it shows up as 9GB i'm going to kill someone.

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coverton341
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 2:11:06 PM

And that is precisely the reason why they will pack the PS3 version with all the "cut" content that can be conveniently "downloaded" at a later date through DLC

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airwedge1
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 2:16:22 PM
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Anyone know what the japanese reviews said about this game? Is the japanese version going to be different from what we get here?

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 9:03:22 PM

My thoughts exactly.

What is going on with the Japanese version since its PS3 exclusive? Does it have the content still intact or did it get the same treatment as the worldwide release?

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pillz81
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 4:07:33 PM

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/01/09/final-fantasy-xiii-biggest-swindle-in-gaming-history/

and

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/12/24/fans-disgusted-by-final-fantasy-xiii/

Warning. Some content on the webpage are risque.

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DaNgerSteVe
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 2:19:08 PM
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guys if u dont buy ff 13 then, ff versus 13 may go multiplat

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Arvis
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 2:35:55 PM

Contractural obligations say this is incorrect. At least, as far as I know.

-Arvis

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NeoHumpty
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 3:09:19 PM

Don't care. They already gimped the game for Xbox. Let them have it. There are plenty of companies doing amazing things with the ps3 that want to give me my money's worth.

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godsman
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 4:05:16 PM

I understand your frustration. I was thinking the same thing too before, but this is like saying why don't you support them by buying 10 copies of Sony FFXIII when it comes out. SE will just have to win their audience over the real way.

There'll probably be 7 million copies for PS3 and 3 million for Xbox. SE think they making 3 million more sales, but they sacrificed potential buyers from the PS3 to compensate for XBox sales. They could easily design to PS3 first then release it to get the FULL PS3 sales, then port to XBox later on for the remaining.

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SympoziumPawa
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 7:08:16 PM

It won't happen even if anyone pretended to do a EA like boycott versus would remain exclusive.
Hey look Dragon Age: at a reasonable price, oh cerap I forgot I'm boycotting EA

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Juanalf
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 2:25:39 PM
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Dammit!!! because of this revelation I will not get FXIII...:-)~

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LowKey
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 2:35:29 PM
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You think they did all that work and it just diddnt make the final cut? All that content will probably be just another money grab for SE when the release it as DLC.

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backatcha00
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 2:42:13 PM
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WKC > FFXIII

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Jawknee
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 2:47:57 PM
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It would really be better for all of us if they just kept their stupid mouths shut about stuff like this.

MS's DVD9 Gimps Again!!!

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Masry_XI
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 2:52:45 PM
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Why did this game have to go to be on the 360 as well , am starting to feel low about it now , they messed up the release date cause of the 360 and now they are removing more stuff , WTH!

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Oyashiro
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 3:15:31 PM
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Wow, Yakuza 3 here I come!

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geovanwitdakick
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 3:22:28 PM
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I was thinking the same thing DaNgerSteVe, but o well. I`m not buying a watered down game, to keep another game at it's full potential (ps3 exclusive). That's $120 spent, & only $60 of it making sence.

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Banky A
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 3:25:32 PM
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Ha.. ha.. ha.
Dayyym.

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ace_boon_coon
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 3:30:28 PM
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let's stone wada like they did in the olden days till he stops f***ing up the FF franchise

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CrazyIrishBoy
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 3:46:23 PM
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Hold on, it actually sounds a little fishy to me... They told an UNNAMED japanese publication and we ASSUME it was famitsu... Theres no clear facts there at all.. How do we know its true?

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CrazyIrishBoy
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 4:01:44 PM

And didnt SE originally say there would be no download content for the game? So either its cut and gone or it hasnt happened.. No matter how much microsoft payed them would it be enough to cover the time and money they would have spent putting into this content? I think this is BS, I hope :S

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Snaaaake
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 6:42:31 PM

They didn't say there's no DLC, Wada himself said it's possible for a DLC in western.

There you have it, a DLC indeed is coming and it's confirmed.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 3:48:34 PM
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Oh Shit.

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Kowhoho
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 3:53:08 PM
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Lots of hate here. I feel like the last soldier looking at the remains of a fierce war across a barren expanse, coming late to the conversation as I did. You KNOW this will all be forgiven once Versus arrives.

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Highlander
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 4:12:36 PM

I know no such thing. I *hope* that SE as a publisher will realize that dicking around their customers like this is bad practice and they will shut up so there's no more confusion and just get on and release the games.

SE are creating a lot of negativity, ill will and annoyance in the minds of previously happy and 'loyal' customers/fans. I don't know how much of that they can erase with one good game. Either way it seems pretty stupid from a business point of view.

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Karosso
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 4:46:58 PM

After the PS3 users boycott the PS3 handicapped version they will announce Versus as multiplat.
It will be funny if the Xbox Crowd don't buy FF13 anyways and the PS3 fans just boycott because they gimped it for the Xbox and they end up with a big flop in their hands :)
Think they would learn not to bite the hand that feed them? I hope so...

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Alienange
Thursday, January 14, 2010 @ 12:46:14 AM

Don't kid yourselves. FFXIII Versus doesn't exist. It's a big SE joke to make PS3 owners feel special so that they'll still run out and buy FFXIII despite the gimp effect.

Last edited by Alienange on 1/14/2010 12:47:48 AM

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Deathb4Dishonor
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 3:54:48 PM
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I agree, i'm pretty sure they downsized the game to make the game fit in 3 discs for M$... it would cost them more money the more discs they used.... and besides, when have you ever heard about a final fantasy game taking out content?... If anything they try to put in as much as possible... you b the judge

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NoSmokingBandit
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 5:21:26 PM

From what i have read, Developers have to pay a license fee per disc, not per game. So Square has to pay MS 3 fees for the 3 discs, but only one fee to Sony. Cutting down on disc usage saves SE money.

I might be completely wrong about that, but i do recall reading it somewhere.

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godsman
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 3:56:28 PM
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I'm still not sure how many hours of gameplay there actually is. Take away the 2-3 hour of cutscenes and the long hours of leveling up. How much of the gaming experience is left?

The 50 hours of gameplay that they claim are BS. They could easily set the max. level of the characters to Lvl 500. That will make it a 250 hour game!

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johnld
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 4:24:36 PM
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Final Fantasy XIII dlc confirmed,lol. Thanks a lot 360.

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 5:06:01 PM

Retarded! I dont think im buying FF13 anymore or the dlc. I might buy it from a disguntled owner who is selling it for $20 later just to say i played it. Otherwise this is out of control.

Its not just the fact they cut out parts of the game that frustrates me. If what your saying is true, im tired of dlc. Digital distribution is good for games like pixel junk games, and flower. But dlc just brings us what should have been in the game, that we have to pay extra for! OUT OF CONTROL!

Last edited by bigrailer19 on 1/13/2010 5:06:40 PM

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Knightedrik
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 10:40:47 AM

I'm just gonna wait and buy it from one of you fine folks when it hits 20-30 bucks on Amazon. I'm just hopin the x-box people will do what they are good at and just steal the damn game. Then, if SE loses money, we might get our full version.. bells and whistles FF's back.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 5:29:14 PM
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The longer this bullsh!t goes on the more I blame Sony. I forked out $500 for my 60gb PS3 with an exclusive FFXIII and RE5 in mind. Sony did nothing to secure FFXIII. I'm happy Sony has shifted focus to more 1st party IP's buy this shouldn't have happened. This was a flag ship series for the Playstation brand and they let it go. No more do I believe we are getting the FFXIII that was intended. Unless they change the way they are treating us old school fans that put them where they are, Square will remain dead to me.

F**king Xbox. It really is the regression of a gaming generation. Theres no point to all this awesome hardware if the Xbox is going to gimp every damn multiplat on the market.

Last edited by Jawknee on 1/13/2010 5:39:29 PM

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www
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 6:06:14 PM

You got that right!!! They messed up my Tekken too, RE5 had mediocre review scores, basically all games gone from exclusive to multiplat hasn't done well.

Last edited by www on 1/13/2010 6:12:21 PM

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www
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 6:06:40 PM
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Now am angry, F*** my Xbox360 for gimping down FFXIII. Yes I said it, am pissed, damn MS!

Last edited by www on 1/13/2010 6:09:26 PM

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kokoro
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 6:10:58 PM
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I think all this extra content will be inlcluded in the international version.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 9:10:55 PM

Where did you hear that? Unless you have evidence to back it up, you're just getting our hopes up for no reason, and that is bad. Don't do that here, not now.

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Laiquelleion
Thursday, January 14, 2010 @ 6:24:37 AM

So you think that Square-Enix Dare to enrage their japanese fanbase by giving the international version huge amount of content which they didn't get for free ? Sorry but that's not going to happen.

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DeathOfChaos
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 8:41:48 AM

Yes, that's what I thought. It's possible. International versions are always in english anyway, lol. Look at Kingdom Hearts, X-2, and a few other I can't think of if they were in English or not or at least had the choice.

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frostface
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 6:22:01 PM
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Why do people buy into inferior products? If they wised up they could have a full uncut product with all the extra's instead of blowing all their hard earned dough on a downgrade! It's not like the cut final product is gonna cost less to the consumer. They're gonna pay the same price for less and for as long as they keep forking out this same bull is gonna happen over and over again. Some people are really dumb or very gullible. Think I'm gonna give this one a miss.

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Snaaaake
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 6:30:22 PM
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Because of 360, now another game has been cut down, cool and developers will never admit it's DVD that's the cause because Microsoft will do something about it.

Thanks a lot, now a game that doesn't need any DLC will get a DLC.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 6:59:57 PM

Goodness, that DLC better be free. But it won't be!

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Macavity
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 6:53:38 PM
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Maybe we will see a FFXIII Complete International PS3 only version 6 months later? =)

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Jawknee
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 7:02:03 PM

You've convinced me to wait.

;)

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Jawknee
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 7:05:24 PM

Maybe. I racked up 180+ hours on FFXII. maybe not.

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Alienange
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 8:05:58 PM

ffrulez doesn't want a 120 hour ff game? Oh the irony.

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hehateme
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 7:02:28 PM
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lol wow..... it would not shock me to hear M$ say tada all new DLC for final fantasy exclusively FIRST on XBOX 360.... what a joke.... but to be honest I havnt bought a game since 10x2 why?? because the battle system changed and became all world of warcrafty where i can run circles around the enemy untill its time for my little dude to swing a knife.... this happend before when they cut out stuff from grand theft auto because there was no room......the only good thing about the xbox is that you can mod it and rip off microsoft... untill it breaks and ur outta luck....

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Snaaaake
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 7:27:52 PM

That's what most of my friends are doing, they don't buy original games for 360, instead they mod it and buy pirated ones and it's damn cheap.

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JSHidaka
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 7:30:50 PM
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IF thats true... JP version shouldnt have anything "cut" since its an Exclusive here.... So i dont think the reason was M$... And yea... the the principal reason I got a PS3 if FFXIII :P (FFXIII Lightning bundle FTW !!)

Last edited by JSHidaka on 1/13/2010 7:31:15 PM

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SnipeySnake
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 7:55:06 PM
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My first intent on this game was to wait for the review here, and it still will be. Meanwhile...i'll get Wada and Microsoft to meet some "friends" of mine.....*calls chuck norris*

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 9:18:11 PM
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Whether this article is true or not, it's just sad.

I honestly nearly cried when the announcement was made at E3 that FFXIII was coming to 360. Every FF and PS3 fan suddenly went silent...

... and died a little inside....

it was as if we all knew that FFXIII was going to be ruined from that point onwards. I guess our gut feelings were right.

Thanks again MS and Square-Enix for ruining what could've been a Final Fantasy masterpiece.

(if news articles and SE quotes are anything to go by, SE are ashamed of their move and are building Versus XIII to be the true Final Fantasy masterpiece, they want to get their fans and reputation back)

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Arvis
Thursday, January 14, 2010 @ 11:22:53 AM

Yes, I remember the feeling well. No tears, but my stomach seriously turned over and my face flushed. I felt like someone had punched me.

I'll wait for the reviews, but if this game turns out to be "just ok", I'd love to see all the Xbots crying "COINCIDENCE!" when we point out that the first Xbox Final Fantasy was the first BAD Final Fantasy.

-Arvis

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Knightedrik
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 10:28:52 AM

@Arvis Nope sorry man.. that honor would go to FFXII.

(Ducks to avoid all the incoming hate..)

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eLLeJuss
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 @ 9:45:11 PM
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HEyyy its the 13th today! i was hoping some new on the limited edition :(. imagine if limited edition contained all those deleted parts :D

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___________
Thursday, January 14, 2010 @ 12:23:39 AM
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and they said that bringing it multiplatform did not change the game in any way shape or form.
yea, sorry SE but i was not born yesterday!

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WolfCrimson
Thursday, January 14, 2010 @ 12:31:24 AM
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The following scream is not a drill. This is a real scream of anger, so you have every right to be freaked out: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUGGHHHH!!!

WHY?! WHY!?

Thank you.

P.S. Ben, I can't believe you even managed to write up that article, with you being the RPG and Final Fantasy fan you are. I mean, wouldn't your PC or type writer melt from all the angry lava spewing out your facial orifices?

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LowKey
Thursday, January 14, 2010 @ 2:03:32 AM
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Ok, this really pisses me off about the people on this site. Several months ago I stated exact what most of you are saying. MS is holding back the game industry. Companies have to dumb down games because of the 360, and what did I get? nothing but grief from everyone. Now you all are repeating my exact words as if I never said it in the first place.

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b3mike
Thursday, January 14, 2010 @ 2:19:56 AM

Right on! All the false optimism on this site regarding FF13 was sickening. Deep down I think almost everyone knew this was going to happen but were in denial...

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Dancemachine55
Thursday, January 14, 2010 @ 3:19:15 AM

True. We were hoping this dumbing down of the PS3 version was not true.

But this story just confirmed it for us and we are now lashing out about it. Now that the problem is real to many of us, we feel we need to voice our opinions.

Here's hoping Square-Enix actually hear or read our opinions. Do they have any idea what they are doing to their fans?!?! DO THEY?!?!?!

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Alienange
Thursday, January 14, 2010 @ 9:54:57 AM

@ LowKey - People around here jumped down your throat for stating that MS is holding back the game industry? That sure doesn't sound right to me. You have a source for that because I could sure use a good laugh.

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Highlander
Thursday, January 14, 2010 @ 10:32:06 AM

Sorry, I gotta point out that some others of us have been singing the song about MS hurting the industry for months as well...

Some have been singing it since they dumped the HDD as standard in all models and went with DVD as their optical format...

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Arvis
Thursday, January 14, 2010 @ 11:28:03 AM

Highlander,

So... if my math is correct, you;ve been saying that for... five years?? Yeah, that's about how long I've been fighting the Xbox 360 brand.

I was talking to a friend just last week who is a 360-only guy, and he just got his 2nd RROD a few weeks ago. All I said was "Oh, twice? Man, I'm sorry, you must be bored." He said, "Yeah...... *long pause* .....still a great system, though!"
I just looked at him and said "Is it?"
He just looked at his feet.
I said "Or is it a really crappy system, but with some great games?"

He had no defense and continued to watch me play Arkham Asylum silently.

-Arvis

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b3mike
Thursday, January 14, 2010 @ 2:12:40 AM
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This is the worst freaking generation ever thanks to the likes of Microcrap. Someone please build me a time machine so I can relive the 16 bit to the PS2 era (pre-Microcrap)

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ZettaiSeigi
Thursday, January 14, 2010 @ 3:17:04 AM
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What I find interesting (and funny at the same time) is that this is the complete opposite of what Squaresoft did when they were considering the platform for Final Fantasy VII. Squaresoft jumped from Nintendo to Sony to fully realize their goal for the said game. They did not even go multiplatform.

Fast forward to the present and what we have is Square-Enix making stupid excuses for "considerations of game volume and overall game balance" whereas we all know better.

I guess I now know where they got the entire "Paradigm Shift" idea from. *shrugs*

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Dancemachine55
Thursday, January 14, 2010 @ 3:25:51 AM

Back in that day, it was all about the tech. It was all about delivering a fantastic game in the best way possible on the best platform available or capable of meeting its needs.

These days, money rules. It's no longer about making the best FF ever otherwise it would have stayed exclusive to PS3, or jumped ship to 360 exclusivity had they considered 360 to be superior in tech (but everyone here knows which console truly outperforms the competition)

Now, it's all about spreading the FF franchise to the widest possible audience and making as much money as possible through the game.

Game developers who focus primarily on money over game quality should be ashamed of themselves (Activision). It's developers who do it for the love of gaming and its fellow gamers who earn the most respect in the industry (Naughty Dog).

edit: Sorry, I just realised I compared a games developer to a games producer and distributor. Okay, how about Bungie and Naughty Dog? Or Neversoft and Quantic Dream? Any others?

Last edited by Dancemachine55 on 1/14/2010 3:27:46 AM

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Highlander
Thursday, January 14, 2010 @ 10:34:25 AM

This is simply the latest confirmation that gaming is now just another business, nothing more, nothing less. The days of companies toiling away at a game for the sake of the game and their own goals for the game are gone. Now it's about business projections, rate of return, contracts and kickbacks.

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FullmetalX10
Thursday, January 14, 2010 @ 10:10:11 AM
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They should just give the whole company to Tetsuya Nomura so he can get all of Square Enix working on Versus XIII, Kingdom Hearts III and that Final Fantasy VII remake all y'all want so badly.

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BikerSaint
Thursday, January 14, 2010 @ 10:36:52 AM
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At 57, I fondly remember that most of the console competitors had a more friendly attitude in it's rivalery.

Sure they tried "1-up-man-ship" with each other, but for the most part, it was a great thing for us gamers, as games & consoles just got better & better as time went on.

The problem doesn't lay with the 360 itself, at all.
And if it wasn't for the RROD's & the lack of exclusive games, the 360 would just be another great machine to have for more gaming enjoyment.

Rather, we all need to concentrate the blame for on all these problems we're seeing now, on only 1 thing. And that's the scumbag company that made it, mICROSOFT!!

MS is nothing more than a unscrupulous, thieving, head-hunting, conniving, immoral, back-stabbing, money grugging, egotistical, face-hugger of a sorry-assed excuse for a company.

MS only cares about one thing, and that's to take over the world by any means necessary, and destroying every company in it's path towards it's race to the top of the mountaintop.

They're the ones who bum-rushed out a gimmpy RROD time-released machine,
they're the one's who would rather pay off developers & publishers, than to make their own exclusives,
they're the ones who have tried to destroy all they're competitors,
they're the ones who are throwing millions & millions around with reckless abandon to steal away games & products away from reputable companies,

And....they're the one's who have ruined it, for the entire gamer nation!!!!!!

(Note: Adding in this disclaimer due to possible lawsuits by any & all scumbag lawyers, who work for any scumbag companies)

"This ENTIRE POST" is all just my own personal opinion"

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BikerSaint
Thursday, January 14, 2010 @ 10:53:45 AM

BTW, where do you think that "all of the sudden" now there are these developers & publishers who are now cutting content out of games, just to use later on another game of costly DLC have got this idea from(SE, AC2, etc)????

HMMMM, Could it be from MS's own morally-unscrupulous gaming practices?????????

(disclaimer: This post is also my own personal opinion, so if any company's scumbag lawyer's read it,...BITE ME!)

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Highlander
Thursday, January 14, 2010 @ 11:19:52 AM

In my humble opinion....

MS do this all the time with Windows.

Windows Vista had something like 12 variants, all the way from the most basic Home version up to the Professional 64-bit with all the bells and whistles and then the various Server versions.

Considering how much they charge for Windows, it's a total con to strip content out of Windows and still charge $200 for an operating system. You can buy all the basic hardware needed for a PC for little more than $200 these days, and Windows costs as much as the hardware (at retail).

Microsoft have engaged in this practice of debundling content for years and years in their business software. It's only natural that they would do it with their entertainment products. It's all about making extra money, and not about serving the customer. It's pitched to consumers as allowing them extra choice, and consumers swallow that hook, line and sinker. The trouble is that in many cases the things that are debundled and cost extra are things that the majority of consumers want. So consumers by the initial product and then the accessory add-on. Now the clever bit is that the product would have cost, say, $200 before the debundling. After the removal of non-core features, it costs $180 - see, we saved you some money. If you want feature X that we are now selling separately that'll be $50 please...Suddenly you're paying $230 instead of $200, and probably not getting everything since other features are now optional extras as well.

When the Xbox360 was first announced and discussed every model was to have a hard disk. That was the benchmark set by the original Xbox. Oh, but wait, to reduce costs to the consumer and give them extra choice, it was removed in the last months before launch. Developers were told that they could not rely on the HDD being there. Odd to remove the internal HDD considering the emphasis put by Microsoft on XBL and downloadable arcade titles. Oh, but it's OK, it drove down the cost of the 'core' unit and gave consumers a choice. They could pay 4 times the going rate for a 20GB drive from Microsoft, or 3 times the going rate for a 60GB drive from Microsoft or 3 times the going rate for a 100GB drive from Microsoft. All the choice in the world except of course you can't buy a bare third party drive, it has to be from Microsoft. Strangely enough the cost of a Core model plus 20GB HDD was more than the original Pro model cost, but who was counting? The core was cheaper...

Classic Microsoft, classic shafting of the consumer. You can look at the controllers and their batteries and charging cables in the same way, as well as their wireless networking module.

For all the criticism of the PS3 price, a standard USB and HDMI cable are all that it needs to connect to the outside world and charge it's wireless controllers. Throw in a cat5 network cord if you don't want to go wireless. Total cost of three standard cords, $15 plus tax and shipping (if any). What a contrast.

I have loathed Microsoft from my experiences of them in business for the last 25 years, and I have seen all angles of Microsoft, from the corporate Select license agreements down to the individual users agreements, I've watched since before Windows even existed. Microsoft has only got worse over the years - IMHO.

Last edited by Highlander on 1/14/2010 11:20:28 AM

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b3mike
Thursday, January 14, 2010 @ 12:59:27 PM

Amen to that brother!

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stevev363
Thursday, January 14, 2010 @ 10:48:00 AM
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Ok, so as I understand it the content that was removed was completely removed from all versions, not that the Japanese version has the content and it will not appear in any other release? Is that right? Could this be that down the line the content may show up as an add-on or extension which could be downloaded through the psn like an added world for on-line ff? X

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Brows
Thursday, January 14, 2010 @ 11:01:12 AM
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I knew this would happen, hence why Im done with buying multiplats. Even if its the newest "gem" to the ff series. If youre a multi plat..Ill wait for reviews and consumer feedback before I rent you or borrow you from a friend

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riptide8
Thursday, January 14, 2010 @ 3:12:45 PM

I hear you on this, and I just changed my mind on this purchase. WKC all the way..Its going to be big enough to be a great value. I was thinking of FF but I was never a huge fan.The trailers looked cool.

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CrazyIrishBoy
Thursday, January 14, 2010 @ 11:31:29 AM
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Thats settles it then, im not buyin it till i find a cheap copy. Versus better not be a mess aswell

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anton
Thursday, January 14, 2010 @ 3:03:30 PM
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ok
I well be holding off on buy FF 13 .Just know the game does not have all the content I know I well not be able to enjoy it like its should be .
When I play a RPG I need to have all of the story and added content so I can Experience all the first time thought taking some out well kill my exposure to the game .I down not like play a game a second time and have the content added then I well be losing my First time exposure to the game .

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clue
Thursday, January 14, 2010 @ 3:36:24 PM
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INSIDE SCOOP THEY REMOVED THE CONTENT SO WE COULD MAKE EXTRA DOUGH FOR DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT.. JUST LIKE CAPCOM.

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jdt1981
Thursday, January 14, 2010 @ 6:22:16 PM
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This game is now a rental for me. Thank you M$ and $E for gimping this game in order to make it work on the 360 without using 20 disks... I wish the top talent at $E like Tetsuya Nomura and Yoshinori Kitase would jump ship and go work for Sony.

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just2skillf00l
Thursday, January 14, 2010 @ 6:29:11 PM
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God **** Microsoft! You're making our once PS3 exclusives more linear in terms of side quests and content by the title. I agree with Highlander 99%. I'll still get the game day 1 because I love the series. But I wonder just how much content has been cut. It sounds like a ridiculous amount according to this article. I'm so pissed! I was looking forward to this game much more than Versus because this game is turn-based (I believe, you just never no anymore with Enix). Now, I honestly don't know anymore...I knew the moment this game went multi-platform that it would lose a lot of content. Three discs still seems like a long adventure but just imagine if it was an exclusive. Once again, thanks Microsoft, from shi*** ports to dropped content I must commend you. Way to further the industry by degrading PS3 gamers gaming experiences. Enix, how could you? This is a betrayal of betrayals. Versus, my hopes and dreams are left with you now. Don't let me down. Please!

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NetheRealm
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 4:20:08 AM
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Now that M$ has officially killed FFXIII it's looking like WKC will be the PS3 RPG of the year & with the online multiplayer & headset support I'm hoping it will be as good as it seems. Beginning of next month we'll see! If WKC is great I'll probably skip FFXIII entirely.

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Roach721
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 6:13:24 AM
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I was pist since they annonced it was coming to M$.I was actually hoping that m$ port would be a lot crappier that would've been great for them taking one of our exclusives.Now that i hear that were actually getting fu*ked because them idiots at se decided to bring it to M$.Am seriously thinking of not buying it.Allll that wait for this,unfreakin believable !!!!

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DeathOfChaos
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 8:54:36 AM
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"left out due to considerations for game volume and overall game balance."

Game Volume - Bluray vs. DVD9
Over All Game Balance - Thy said themselves they were keeping the two as close to each other in terms of likeliness a LONG time ago.

Anyone who disagrees with this article, look at what I just typed. It does make sense to blame M$ for loss of content like this. Oh well, I'll just get the international if they make it.

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DeathOfChaos
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 8:56:42 AM
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3 DVD9's equal 1 Single Layer Bluray disc (25GB). Now , set aside the room it would have to take for writing the disc change sequence, you could probably shave off about a GB for each disc (roughly), so in reality, it would equal to the amount of about 22GB for the actual game to take place. So take 22GB of data storage compared to about what could have been 50GB if it were exclusive and you've got about 28GB more room to work with. I would say that 28GB more would have been just enough to add all that extra stuff and probably bump up the game play to 1080p, but I might be stretching the 1080p part, lol. But really, it probably would have, lol. Hell, maybe they're waiting for a firmware update for the PS3 that will let the PS3 read the higher capacity Bluray discs to make an international version. That will probably happen in the next year or so, right? Probably, lol.

Last edited by DeathOfChaos on 1/15/2010 8:58:22 AM

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Knightedrik
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 10:07:52 AM
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They're just gonna repackage it.. and sell it to us as DLC.. Just look how much cash Fallout made.. and this is Final Fantasy.. Truck loads of cash friends.. truckloads.

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Irievibes
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 9:56:03 AM
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I bought WKC because of the underwhelming rviews Final travesty is getting, and the game is a GOOD rpg, story could be better, and a lil less cliché, but for all its other element is a pretty awsome rpg, and the online portion is so very well integrated, if i wanted to play an interactive 10 hour movie, id go play mass effect or some other game like that.

Let me just add that i think that you CAN tell a good story in a game and be open at the same time, other games have done it, by "Sectioning" portions of the story off, so basically they are a combination of linear segments divided by open ones, what i dont like about what im hearing from ff, is that it sounds as its basically "on a railroad track" for a good 70% of the game

Guess ill get it preowned later on, or wait for the reviews from the gamers themselves, but its most defintivley not a day one buy for me, i dont mind linear, what i do mind is paying full price for a half assed game that i KNOW its going to have holes in it from all the deleted / cut stuff in favor of the M$ dinosaur and the couch zombies that support it

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