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Pachter: Epic Regrets Making Gears Exclusive To 360

We all know that the best exclusive titles, for both the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, are a few steps ahead of the multiplatform games available. However, one analyst believes that developer Epic is now "regretting" keeping a certain blockbuster franchise exclusive to Microsoft's platform.

Many have asked if Gears of War will ever come to the PS3 and for the time being, the answer to that is most definitely, "no." Their contract with Microsoft prevents it and at the start of the generation, when the gap between the PS3 and 360 was gigantic, the deal made sense. These days, however, Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter says Epic probably feels tethered by that contract. Speaking during the latest Bonus Round episode at GameTrailers, Pachter thinks it makes zero sense for publishers to release single-platform titles and that Epic "can't wait until they can start doing multiplatform games." When asked if he thought Gears would be going multiplatform, Pachter responded:

"I don’t. I think that Microsoft has a contract to make sure that they get that sequel, But I think Epic regrets signing that contract. You’re up to 11 million PS3 in the US and probably similar number in Europe, you got a 20 million addressable market with a game like Gears of War, I mean, that thing would easily sell 3 or 4 million on the PS3; that’s a lot of profit."

While what he says is true, the implication that it makes no sense to keep a game exclusive doesn't sit well with us. That would imply that all PS3 exclusives, like Uncharted 2: Among Thieves, God of War III, Killzone 2, Heavy Rain, etc. would go multi, and I think we all know that such titles wouldn't fare well on the 360 (as the developers for such games have often said). Of course, it may only be a one-way street as the the 360 is the lesser machine in terms of power and potential, but let's not forget about the piss-poor 360-to-PS3 ports we've had in the past...

Well, anyway, it'd be interesting to hear what Epic has to say in response to Pachter's words.

1/21/2010 10:19:40 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (173 posts)

Deleted User []
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 10:38:04 AM
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I can't wait to hear from the Xbox fanboys, myself. It will probably be the same-old, same-old from them; even after the Final Fantasy XIII fiasco.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 10:51:42 AM

An Xbot before FFXIII goes multi:

"Why would we want that Japanese anime crap with the 12-year-old boys who look like girls? LOLOLOL"

After FFXIII went multi:

"YES! Take that, PS3 fanboys!"

...I love the hypocrisy of the biased. ;)

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coverton341
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 11:19:11 AM

You know Ben, I have heard something almost identical to those two statements when I was working at a Gamestop. The first part was almost verbatim actually and the response to it going mulitplat was more like, "haha now we can play it and it's going to be 100 times better on the 360."

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NightHawk17
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 11:31:43 AM

Sad thing is it's exactly as Ben says, they're happy to have the game because it takes away from PS3 owners

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bridgera
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 12:05:09 PM

It's because 60% of 360 owners are between the ages of 12 and 17 that you get such stupid *ss comments. 60% of PS3 owners are between the ages of 25 and 32.

Let the 360 be the kids machine, and let the grown ups play on the 360. Really, I would get annoyed at some kid saying really stupid things on PSN.

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maxpontiac
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 12:22:54 PM

I gotta chuckle at the thumb down on Ben's comment..

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godsman
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 12:38:01 PM

Well now exclusives are disappearing from Xbox. Games like Bioshock, ninja gaiden, and Dead Rising going multiplatform. There's nothing to brag about anymore.

All the exclusives that remains are all shooters. I don't care about those. I say let microsoft keep them.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 12:56:44 PM

Which is funny because whenever an Xbox exclusive goes multi I always ask my 360 friends how the games are and if I should give them a look. I don't go "Haha, take that!"

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Titch1794
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 3:58:48 PM

@ bridgera's statement-
You can call me a MATURE 16 year old ;)

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Vitron
Friday, January 22, 2010 @ 12:13:06 AM

man, now I'm having second taughts on a universal platform...

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vicious54
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 10:41:23 AM
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I'm sure Epic would like to make more money by porting their game over to the PS3 but I doubt they regret not making it multiplatform. We all know how Microsoft throws money around so I'm sure there were some really nice incentives.

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godsman
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 12:39:51 PM

That's cause Gears of War and Halo are what makes Xbox unique. They cannot let it be available on Sony platform. Otherwise they really prove that PS3 really DOES do everything.

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Ricochet
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 10:47:29 AM
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The games sold 5 million +. None of the PS3 exclusives sold that much, how is THAT regretting????

Again, Pachter, I want HIS job.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 10:52:48 AM

The PS3 exclusives didn't sell as much because the user base was never as high as the 360's was when Gears of War 2 launched.

Furthermore, when you can add 3 or 4 million sales, that's a 100% positive regardless...

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coverton341
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 11:29:51 AM

I also think that the PS3 and 360 catered to a different demographic a couple of years ago at launch and to a point still do today. The PS3 is a high priced, high performance '07 Maserati Granturismo S MC and the 360 is a body-kitted, neon light adorned '97 Honda Prelude. Sure you go out and buy things for your Maserati but they are expensive and you take great care to get what you personally want that will be you because you have a sense of style and you are unique, while everyone else on the block has a Prelude that they are tricking out to look just like everyone else's.

That is what you have with these two systems. PS3 is for a more refined and older, more mature crowd especially at launch with it's Maserati price tag and the 360 is for the kids and their "first car my parents bought this and I'm going to throw goofy shiz on it so I will be cool just like all my friends" attitudes, again along with the lower point of entry price tag.

People who buy a PS3 aren't going to jump on every single game because we are a diverse and refined crowd who reward great games and innovation and what we enjoy. 360 users seem to hop on any bandwagon rolling by as long as they have a friend already there. Case in point Halo anything sells a crap ton.

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oldmike
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 11:41:51 AM

lets see how GoW 3 sells

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Silent_J
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 12:01:26 PM

Ima really be suprised if God of War 3 Sales aren't through the roof ,i mean i dont expect MW2 type sales but hey its one of the biggest franchises PS has.

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MyWorstNightmar
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 12:21:39 PM

Ben, 3 to 4 million? Really? Maybe 3 to 4 million COMBINED sales of Gears 1 and 2.

Uncharted 1 and 2 have not sold as well as those two games DESERVE. And those two games get compared to Gears often as far as game style.

You even had an article just over a month ago titled "Gamers Disappoint, Uncharted 2 Sales Much Too Low".

Not sure why you think Gears would sell 3 to 4 million unless you are speaking COMBINED sales. If you are, then forgive the rant.

I think Bioshock (an Xbox 360 first game, later coming to the PS3) has sold right around 1 million.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 12:38:52 PM

Um...I didn't say 3-4 million. Pachter did.

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sonic1899
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 12:48:47 PM

Look alive guys. the 360 fanbois are here

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godsman
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 12:49:31 PM

Microsoft is smart in that they are selling to the same market. The people that bought Halo 1,2 will buy 3. Those are the people that buys Gears of War 1 then 2. The year after, the kids play Halo will buy Gears. So most likely one person owns all 5 games.

Sony target their games to a larger variety of audience. The 20 year olds that buy Uncharted 1, 2 will not be the same teens that buy Ratchet and Clank, might not be the mature ones that buy Heavy Rain or even GT5. In the end, each gamer probably own 2-3 of those games.

Sony platform has many choices in first party games. Microsoft doesn't give you a choice for first party, they rely on third party.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 1:00:08 PM

360 fans eat up shooters, like coverton said PS3 fans are more diverse and eclectic in their tastes. Plus well, they have to buy the newest shooter because they have no games.

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Juanalf
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 1:24:50 PM

Ricochet was voted down to oblivion even thought he's was right; although Gears would have sold well in the PS3 since it would be a mulitplat and PS3 owners prefer them instead of the exclusives(look at sales for proof).

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sabitrulz
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 4:17:11 PM

As of May 7, 2009, Gears of War 2 had sold over 5 million units world wide, bringing the franchise total to 11 million units sold

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johnld
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 4:59:44 PM

Theres just too much amazing games out/coming out for the ps3 and different types too. And most people dont have money to buy them all. I for one is being picky about which games get my money although i do want to get them all. If you want proof just check the releases from now till end of march. That list is just crazy. Damn you sony! you guys released a bunch of great games for the ps3, its your fault it doesnt allow your games to sell alot real fast.

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Deleted User
Friday, January 22, 2010 @ 7:33:35 AM

Sonic, you are feeding into the whole "anybody that disagrees with the PS3 is obviously a 360 fan boi" stupidity. I have not read any comments (down to yours so far) that have been "fan boi" comments other than yours. Way to go. Chill out and just debate with other people and stop fanning the flames.

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mexgeo86
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 10:49:06 AM
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Given the ps3 life cycle we can only expect multiplats to get better; Assassin's Creed II and Batman were a good start but some still need work (Bayonetta).

I do agree it's a 1-way route as far as taking exclusives from one system to another.

I don't know when exclusivity/contracts w/M$ end but we may be looking at the year that ps3 sales catch up or even surpass xbox sales and so timing would be good for studios like Epic to start working on multiplats without restrictions.

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telly
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 11:22:33 AM

It's the million dollar question, isn't it? I could definitely see PS3 sales finally consistently beat 360 here in the U.S. in 2010, though I'm not counting Microsoft out yet...

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coverton341
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 11:33:44 AM

I agree with you here telly as Microsoft has some mystical power over it's users to constantly screw them and have those same users smile at never getting a call back in the morning. Though, as of late that side of the camp has been wholly quiet especially for Mass Effect 2 releasing so soon and I think it is because they are putting so much into this whole Natal thing which in my opinion is going to be a major let down for them. It just doesn't seem like a service their core market would be into to me.

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godsman
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 12:56:26 PM

PS3 will never catch up to Xbox in the US. Xbox is cheaper and Microsoft has more money. Unless something happens in the next year that completely turns the table, Microsoft wins in US.

It's like playing Texas Hold'em. The player with more money in their hand can easily raise and bluff out the one with less money. That's why PS3 sales and XBox weekly sales are pretty much the same even after PS3 pricecut. Microsoft is controlling the PS3 sales with $50 giftcards, until they officially announce a cut.

The only way I can see PS3 gain some more ground in US, is to lead the European market by 10 million. That way, the US developers will start thinking outside their country and go worldwide.

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ace_boon_coon
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 2:07:30 PM

the ps3 has been outselling xbox 2/1 since the price drop. check the numbers

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coverton341
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 2:55:53 PM

Easy cochise don't start throwing around your spiffy facts and numbers to cloud the issue here.

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ace_boon_coon
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 3:06:32 PM

lol lol lol lol ok i'll take it easy

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Gregory Freeman
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 3:52:39 PM

"Xbox is cheaper"

how so?

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johnld
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 5:02:51 PM

its cheaper because it was rushed and breaks a lot. sad thing is when i say "a lot", it could be an understatement.

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BikerSaint
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 10:49:15 AM
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He may be right, but
I'd rather hear it from the source, what Epic has to say, and not whatever Pachter decides to think about it.

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St_Jimmy
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 11:01:12 AM

lovng the picture dude.

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Lotusflow3r
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 10:54:47 AM
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a man with no specific advantage with an opinion....grabs headlines.

Analysts...gotta be one of the more funnier jobs going.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 11:21:04 AM

Is that your opinion?

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Lotusflow3r
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 12:15:19 PM

Yes, you smarty boy you!

and i don't expect to grab headlines

wow you are very clever!

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Alienange
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 1:17:53 PM

I see only facts in what he wrote.

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Lotusflow3r
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 1:32:48 PM

facts we all obviously know.

and the main focus of the "news" is a flaming guess that anyone can make.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 3:47:15 PM

You missed my point. I dont like the guys opinions nor what he represents but your opinion holds about as much facts as his. You dont like him, some people look to what he says. sometimes he's completely wrong other times hes correct. Point is he still has a job unlike a lot of people in America regardless your outtake on what he says!





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Alienange
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 6:11:44 PM

I hear yah bigrailer19. In fact, I think Pachter's "opinion" has a lot of facts in it too.

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bigrailer19
Friday, January 22, 2010 @ 3:03:23 AM

Alienange-

Yea there are facts in some of his remarks. A lot of what he does is pure opinion but you are right at some extents.

Listen, he is important and plays a big role in what he does. thats why he still has his job regardless what some people like LotusFlower think of him.

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D1g1tal5torm
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 10:55:26 AM
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It's all pretty clear cut that if a developer wants the maximum potential in a console for their project to shine at it's brightest, the PS3 is the clear cut winner.

UC2 shows this to be based on fact.

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geovanwitdakick
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 10:56:51 AM
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I doubt Epic would port it poorly to the PS3. They have experience with the system, & seem to have mastered the 360 hardware. They can't possibly have problems with the PS3 hardware. The Lord knows how much I want that franchise to be on the PS3.

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telly
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 11:19:16 AM

It's the game that made me decide to finally pick up a 360. Both the original and sequel, played in co-op with a dear friend i don't get to see as much as I'd like since he lives a few hours away, provided some of the absolute best gaming experiences I ever had (especially as an adult.)

PS3 is a better system in nearly every way compared to 360, but Gears is one mighty fine franchise on the other side of the fence...

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St_Jimmy
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 11:02:40 AM
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Not being a fan of the Gears of War series, i coudn't care less. But i know a lot of ps3 fans that also love that series so i think it could do very well on ps3. But it still woudn't compair to the ps3 exculsives imo.

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RadioHeader
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 11:10:49 AM
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Of all the things I don't miss since ditching 360, Gears is one of them.

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telly
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 11:15:31 AM
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From a financial standpoint, Pachter is 100 percent correct -- why would a publisher, who's job is to maximize profits, want to go keep games away from tens of millions of potential customers on the "other" system?

From a quality standpoint, there's no question nearly all the best games are exclusive, and increasingly it seems silly to argue that's a coincidence. If a port of Metal Gear Solid 4 to 360 have been anywhere close to the same quality as the PS3 version? Highly doubtful. Would a Gears port to PS3 be of high quality? One would hope, but we'll never know.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 11:19:19 AM
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You or Pachter could say this about any game! Its not all about Gears, or Epic. But when you really look at it the companies that do create exclusives 9 times out of ten are extremely great games. The industry needs exclusives to keep pushing. Truly if we lived in a world where all games were multi, I dont think we'd see much advancement.

It makes zero-sense to me why Pachter thinks it makes zero-sense for publishers to release single platform games, because they push the industry, they give reason to own such console, and they clearly shine brighter!

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big6
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 11:24:10 AM
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I'm sure Microsoft is contacting Epic (Mark Rein and CliffyB) at this very moment, to devise an appropriate response to Mr. Pachter.

Expect a response from either one of them tomorrow, to douse this fire. Anything short of pure denial will send the Xbox fanboys into an uproar.

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FullmetalX10
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 11:38:19 AM

Indeed, and knowing those 12 year olds, they'll be trolling on every similar article on the web...

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Alienange
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 1:19:55 PM

The xbots have been in an uproar for a while now. I'm afraid we'll just have to get used to it.

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ohmikkie
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 11:30:40 AM
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i don't think making gears2 multi-platform would have made much of a difference to overall sales. I'm sure there were a few PS3 owners (like myself) that got a 360 for that game and maybe even a couple of other exclusive titles.

If gears came out now it would sell more across platforms though.

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johnld
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 5:07:17 PM

but most, if not all 360 exclusive games can also be played on the pc.

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michiganfan1983
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 11:34:49 AM
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I think he is talking about third party exclusivity, not first party, in regards to it not making any sense for publishers to go exclusive. I mean I doesn't really make sense for Sony to be publishing games for Microsoft and vice versa.

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Orvisman
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 12:06:51 PM

Well... yeah...

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 11:37:07 AM
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I hope this is true, Gears sucks.

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Silent_J
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 12:02:41 PM

LV you're back havent seen yuh for awhile.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 3:53:07 PM

Havn't played them. Would like to though.

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Gregory Freeman
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 3:57:47 PM

and you brought your down thumber's with you!!!

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 5:17:20 PM

I was on vacation for a couple weeks. Glad to see my haters are still hungry.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 5:55:47 PM

Way to go Vertigo, now we can combine our down thumbers again.

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Hezzron
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 11:58:38 AM
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I'm sure Epic sees their own Unreal engine being used by other devs to make decent games on the PS3. Their exclusivity to the 360 probably feels like a bit of a ball and chain now.

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CaptRon
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 12:00:58 PM
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Yeah I bet they are regretting it. I mean, why would you make an exclusive for Xbox? It makes no sense to me.

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Jawknee
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 12:07:21 PM

For the same reasons Uncharted and Killzone are exclusive to PS3.

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Juanalf
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 1:28:24 PM

If a company wants to make the most money and sales and can only choose one platform it would be wise for that company to choose the 360.

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coverton341
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 1:43:02 PM

Hexen,
Only if that company is making an FPS or TPS. Look at how the RPG market does on the 360. But given your past comments on previous articles it is obvious that you don't care for RPGs so you probably couldn't care how those do. The PS3 caters to a variety of tastes in gaming as I and others have pointed out above as the 360 tends to target a very narrow demographic.

Blood and guts and shock value games sell better to the younger 360 crowd while the diverse PS3 base buys games over a larger scope of genres thus limiting the high marker sales of any one particular genre.

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Juanalf
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 2:04:47 PM

You win this round coverton341.

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johnld
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 5:10:49 PM

@jawknee
I thought that uncharted and killzone 2 were ps3 exclusives because the ps3 can handle those games and the 360 wouldnt work with those games. and uncharted 1 was only using a third of the ps3s power. also naughty dog and guerila arent third party right?

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Jawknee
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 6:15:19 PM

ND is first party. Not sure about Guerrilla. And of course your right I just meant it's better for a dev to focus on exploiting one console to the max in either case. Maybe not the best money maker but it still turns a profit. These 3rd party devs are just getting greedy. Can't have it both ways. Sacrafice greed for creativity or the other way around. I say sacraficed greed.

Gives us the best damn games possible!!!

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Deleted User
Friday, January 22, 2010 @ 12:40:46 PM

For the arguement about the average age of PS3 owners being older than the average age of 360 owners, has anyone stopped to think about how the PS3 came out with an astronomical price tag when it first came out? The younger crowd could not afford a machine that expensive so they went with the cheaper choice. Also, PS has been around a lot longer and the "older" folks naturally went to the familiar console. Sometimes, (I said sometimes!), it comes down to aspects that are not actually "game-related." (Not to mention, it's also not because the PS3 owners are more mature and more refined, either.)

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Jawknee
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 12:05:49 PM
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Still don't see how this game is a cut above the rest. It's an unreal game, doesn't look or perform any better then say....Borderlands or Bioshock. It's a 360 game. It's sits with the rest of the multiplats when it comes down to quality.

In no way does gears hold a candle to MGS4, Uncharted 1and 2, KZ2 or even Infamous.

With that said, Xbots can keep their Queers of Bore. Blagh!

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bigrailer19
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 3:48:14 PM

I like it...

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johnld
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 5:12:09 PM

what i dont like is that they're trying to take the acronym GOW to stand for Gears of War. GOW stands for GOD OF WAR damn it!

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Jawknee
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 6:19:52 PM

Your allowed to like it bigrailer but this game does not deserve the praise it gets.

It's ugly, boring and full of Unreal buggery. Not worth the DVD9 it's printed on.

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bigrailer19
Friday, January 22, 2010 @ 3:12:49 AM

HaHa Jawknee!!

I meant I like you comment, and little rant, sorry.

I have played a little Gears of War online but thats my extent of it. I wasnt to impressed but would like to try them both at some point for the SP.

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Deleted User
Friday, January 22, 2010 @ 7:45:14 AM

I will say this: I had a LOT more fun playing Gears 2 than I did playing KZ2. I know one is a FPS and the other is a TPS, but I had a bigger connection to the characters and the graphics/effects were made to make everything pop. As for KZ2, overall, the graphics are top notch. However, it was sort of bland in nature and nothing really truly stood out. In Gears, everything felt more alive.

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pillz81
Saturday, January 23, 2010 @ 11:04:39 PM

Since Killzone is made from a European company, with only one FPS in their belt I am not surprised people would not be able to take a shine to it. Gears is an FPS made by Epic, an American company with its pedigree.

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mbg77
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 12:10:29 PM
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I wouldn't mind all games going multiplatform as long as every version was made to max the performance of each platform.

How come no one is questioning the fact, that games like Batman AA or ACII look better on PC than the console versions (in terms of resolution, textures quality). Yet when it comes to X360 and PS3 the assumption is that because these are consoles from the same generation the games should look identical.

No more multiplats that look the same on X360 and PS3. After all PS3 is a superior console in terms of power so the games should look better here.

The problem is i think, that it would mean having not one but multiple teams working on specific platform. And that would be so expensive that in case a game flops in sales the studio would most likely go under.

Take care.

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Orvisman
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 12:14:28 PM

It's just this gen that developers are striving for a level playing field. Last gen developers had no problem with sprucing up the graphics for Xbox and Ps2 multiplats.

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Jawknee
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 12:21:53 PM

Its better for Sony and it's better for Sony fans to have games exclusive to PS3. Like you said, it IS a more powerful machine and we get better games because of it. Like I said, Gears is in no way shape or form as good or as valueable as most AAA PS3 exclusives.

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coverton341
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 12:39:24 PM

I moreover think that the problem in the plan to have console specific versions of multiplatform games is that Microsoft likes to give incentives to studios to develop on the 360, with their deep pockets they can dictate the way a studio designs the game and they can just pull their funding if they feel the PS3 version is going to be better or maximise the PS3 hardware in ways that will make it stand apart from the 360 version.

Back a year or two ago I distinctly remember a higher up in the Sony camp stating that they would absolutely not buy exclusive content from developers. Microsoft on the other hand have shown time and again they are not in the least bit worried about shelling out money for timed exclusives, console exclusives, and even exclusive DLC. When one company says they aren't going to pay you to keep something exclusive and the competition is saying they will pay any amount of money you want you tend to cater to the latter, and that means making them happy in all respects i.e. identical games regardless of hardware potential.

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Orvisman
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 12:11:40 PM
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@ Ben,

The only difference Ben is Sony has a very talented group of internal developers and M$ft doesn't; so Sony needs to leverage that to continue to grow as the premier development house, one who isn't afraid to push the boundaries and publish new IPs every gen (I'm looking at you Ninty with your gazillion Mario, Zelda, etc... games).

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johnld
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 5:15:26 PM

hey, dont put down the mario and zelda franchises. every mario and zelda game i played i loved. Those are the only 2 nintendo franchises that i would get day one each and every time. Well given that they dont dumb down the quality.

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Charger7302
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 5:55:13 PM

The difference between Sony and Microsoft is that Sony treats it's internal studios pretty good, while Microsoft treats it's studios like sh!t. Anyone remember what Rare(I think it was Rare) had to say about the way Microsoft treated them.

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Orvisman
Friday, January 22, 2010 @ 5:14:58 PM

Me too John, along with Metroid; but let's be honest, Ninty hasn't really innovated the franchises much since the N64. Furthermore, since Smash Brothers and Pikmin, what new IP has Ninty created that you'd consider a hot new IP... not including Ninty's recent bent toward casual gaming.

Meanwhile, Sony cranks out new IP every gen. Where Sony could learn a thing or two from Ninty is to revisit more of its classic franchises; there are many classic Sony franchises I've been looking for Sony to revisit since the Ps1.

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Andysw
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 12:14:49 PM
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It wouldn't make sense to keep certain games exclusive to the xbox 360. But it would make sense to keep certain games exclusive to the playstation 3.

Makes sense for me =)

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maxpontiac
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 12:27:46 PM
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After seeing games like Uncharted 2, Killzone 2, and MGS4.. I do not want any of the PS3 exclusives to go multiplatform.

We already have an idea of what that does with FF13, now can you imagine if GT5 went multiplatform?

With GT5, I believe we have already seen a water downed racing title, and it's called Forza 3.

No thanks..

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NoSmokingBandit
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 1:09:26 PM
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It makes sense for 360 games to go cross-platform, but not the other way around. PS3 exclusives generally make good use of the console's strong points (whether that be the raw power, free online, or whatever) and cant be easily replicated on the 360. 360 exclusives, however, do nothing that the ps3 cant do (considering its a quality port and not done by EA or Sega).

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Andysw
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 1:13:03 PM

Then what would be the point of the xbox 360 if it had ZERO exlusives?

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johnld
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 5:16:46 PM

well, in a way, the 360 doesnt really have any exclusives because they release them on pc too.

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Andysw
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 5:39:00 PM

I disagree john. It has halo 3, halo 3 odst, halo wars, and gears of war 2 ;)

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johnld
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 6:51:44 PM

who is to say that those wont find their way to the pc. i mean halo 1 and 2 are, i think gears of war 1 was on pc too. its only a matter of time.

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Andysw
Friday, January 22, 2010 @ 12:30:55 PM

I was trying to be sarcastic when I mentioned those games, which was why I added the ;)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 1:10:16 PM
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I doubt they regret it as they roll nakedly in their MS cash piles. I won't rag on the game, clearly lots of people like it, hell maybe it's best for the game to remain exclusive to 360 because exclusives are always of higher quality. BUT I wouldn't trade a single one of our exclusives for every one of theirs. What does that tell ya?

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Charger7302
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 5:58:02 PM

I wouldn't mind trading one of our franchises for Mass Effect.....

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Alienange
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 1:30:01 PM
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So there's the question. Do gamers buy the PS3 just because it's a gaming system, or do they buy it because it has all the best games? Sooner or later a gamer has to decide where he's going to spend his time and money. Now if your game is not in amongst the best, or at the very least playable on the system that has the best games, where does that leave you as a developer? Alone. That's where it leaves them. All alone.

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 5:20:09 PM

REAL gamers generally don't simply own one console, they own several so they get the best of what's out there. I had a 360 at one point and I enjoyed it for a couple games but I find myself on the PS3 and PC side of things as usual.

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bigrailer19
Friday, January 22, 2010 @ 3:08:19 AM

LV makes a good point. but I wont dish out the money for a 360 because I know what system I will buy all my multi plats for, and I know which system will get more use! I would like one (360) for some exclusives. But Sony' PS3 just does everything right for me, including the games most of all the exclusives.

That leaves me with the question... Am I a real gamer then?

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Culoslap
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 2:20:10 PM
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I've never played Gears of War and I'm okay with that.

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 5:18:33 PM

I suggest you at least play it so you know it isn't for you.

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Deleted User
Friday, January 22, 2010 @ 7:35:16 AM

You don't know what you're missing and that's fine with me.

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Roach721
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 2:36:48 PM
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@Coverton you said boycotting FFxiii was ignorant,but more and more titles are going multiplatform you have no idea of the implications this could cause.Instead of trying to insult people on their opinions.just stop and think a bit and don't be such a child where you just must play a game no matter what.If every system had every game then whats the point.What makes a system worthwhile are the exclusives.Thats why am so passionate about us lossing FFxiii I don't care how many exclusives Xbox losses I don't own that system but i do care about my PS3 and I don't want to see any exclusives go Multiplatform that are PS3's you think we can't do anything about it but your wrong there are always options and am going to choose not to buy FFxiii well at least till it drops, your just afraid of Square Enix not making FF for the PS3 according to you if sales tank for FF on Ps3 they'll leave us grow up if they do, it will be their loss and a big one too not mine.Am a grown ass man i can handle not playing one game for awhile to let them know that their decision was not a good one.I also heard that we are going to get Mass Effect2 in about 6 months after release.You want that to start happening to the PS3 also I don't the day it does I'll just go with Nintendo since thats where it all started for me not counting Atari or Intellivision.

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coverton341
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 3:06:05 PM

I did say boycotting FFXIII was ignorant because it serves no purpose but to show that the sales potential isn't there on the PS3. Someone stated that no one in a board room cares why something didn't sale as well on one system or another and that is the exact truth of the matter. You rebellion against a company isn't going to make the chair holders of said company send out a questionnaire asking what they could do better to secure your money, it is going to make them shift their target market to a more suitable system i.e. the system that gives them the most return on their endeavour. I am not trying to insult anyone at all by calling an idea ignorant I am merely pointing out the obvious. Sorry if you felt slighted by my statement but it isn't going to do a bit of good to not buy something in hopes of stopping other instalments of games from a company going multiplatform, it actually has the opposite effect, so please think it through logically without resorting to calling people a child. Furthermore, for Sony and the PS3 brand to have lost FF they first would have had to own the franchise much in the way they own God of War and Gran Turismo. Anyway, I am not telling you that you must play the game nor am I saying I have to play every game out there. I am only trying to say from a business perspective Square Enix could not care any less about why one system sold more or less than another, they will simply cater to the one that sells more hence making them more money.

Please try not to get so personally offended and make personal attacks on people.

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Roach721
Friday, January 22, 2010 @ 1:59:06 AM

@ (Coverton)Ok sorry for calling you a child,i should've rephrased that,but thats the way i feel about your ignorant comment,but anyway.
Theres no way in hell SE would go to an inferior console no matter what especially when the PS3 is taking off the way it is.All am saying is us lossing an exclusive and that same game tanking on the system where it took of and got it's fame would make SE think about where they went wrong and it seems obvious to all of us, so by that rational if they don't think it was because of them going to M$ then their a bunch of id*ots.

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coverton341
Friday, January 22, 2010 @ 1:48:20 PM

Yeah I get the logic behind what you are saying, but don't underestimate the idiocy behind suits in a boardroom. I can say with 100% confidence that the big suits in a company are so far removed from their actual product and the way that the inner workings of their own company are being run that they have zero visibility to the things that matter like why their stock shares are going down. They only see the red ink.

Again, I get where you are coming from and I understand the thought behind it, I just have been in enough board meetings to know that these people are idiots. I could be biased though through my dealings with my own CEOs and whatnot. I hope I am and I hope that if FFXIII does poorly they will reverse suit and come back to the PS3 and make exclusives but in reality when a company like Microsoft is waving a ton of cash in your face it is hard to turn down especially if a game you thought would rack in money flops on the opposing system.

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Draguss
Sunday, January 24, 2010 @ 1:17:44 AM

*head spinning* why must I obsessively read such long comments...? Curse my curiousity

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Roach721
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 2:39:00 PM
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I also hope we get Dead or Alive at some point even though Valve was talking lots of crap and Blue Dragon.

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johnld
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 5:18:33 PM

i dont think valve had anything to do with dead or alive series. I think i read somewhere that the next dead or alive may be multiplatform. do you mean left for dead? from what i heard that series werent that good.

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 7:37:40 PM

Roach I hope you're drunk since nothing you wrote makes sense.

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Roach721
Friday, January 22, 2010 @ 2:08:41 AM

My bad i was talking about Left for Dead,are you kidding when is zombie killing not fun. Thats one of the main reasons i played World at War. Also bought all the expansions.Just to kill me some damn zombies.

Ok,this is my first site i ever write to ever, whats flaming? Am also horrible with abbreviations. So if i ask from time to time bare with me.

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Banky A
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 2:55:41 PM
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The tribe has spoken!

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Banky A
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 2:56:00 PM

I can't contribute anything else :S

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www
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 3:00:05 PM
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Pachter is right! But PS3 exclusives will find it hard going multi, they'll be limited like FFXIII.

And I also don't think I want Gears of War badly, already had part 2 on 360, it was good, nothing extraordinary like Killzone 2 or Uncharted 2.

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Blood_Haze
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 3:07:01 PM
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I thought that GEARS OF WAR 1 & 2 were to remain exclusive to the xbox 360 and that EPIC can do what ever they want with GEARS OF WAR 3.

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skyrender4
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 3:19:16 PM
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Just say Bayonetta at the end, no need to insinuate what everyone already knows.

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SvenMD
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 3:42:17 PM
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I would play Gears of War if it was ever able to come to the PS3 - assuming that it would not end up like Bayonetta or The Orange Box.

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I C E_COLD
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 3:49:57 PM
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We all know G-O-W would be bigger and better on the PS3 , would it be a direct port to the PS3 or is it like most Devs that make a limited game but the bigger picture is the money.

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johnld
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 5:20:29 PM

again, GOW stands for GOD OF WAR and not gears of war.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 5:56:21 PM

You say GeoW, mmkay?

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dveisalive
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 3:55:19 PM
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Naughty dog is to PS3, as Nintendo is to the Big N, as Bungie is to Microsoft. These companies should be the only ones to make games for theie systems only, for they make the best ones PERIOD! Anyways screw Epic, screw Death Box, and screw Patcher. Anyone who believes what Patcher says is a douche bag XD. Patcher is so crazy he says that the Nintendo is gonna announced the Wii HD, when Reggie Fis-alime denies it all of the time. Patcher is a pot head, that needs to stop acting like he is moses.

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Gregory Freeman
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 4:12:04 PM

*Facepalm*
Where do I start???

"Anyways screw Epic, screw Death Box, and screw Patcher."
No thanks bro, help yourself...

"Patcher is so crazy he says that the Nintendo is gonna announced the Wii HD, when Reggie Fis-alime denies it all of the time."

I said that sony was going to release the ps3 slim, and it will look just like the leaked photos, and sony kept denying it... does that make me crazy? What if I say I think Nintendo will release the Wii HD? am I still crazy??? iunno... i have a feeling that the Wii HD is inevitable, and that You're the one that's crazy >.<

"Patcher is a pot head, that needs to stop acting like he is moses."

So, Moses is to Pothead as DVE SIXBURGH is to smart?

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Bugzbunny109
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 4:28:55 PM
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I certainly don't believe that the ps3 is a system that caters to an older demographic. Its games are far more in-depth and they appeal to a demographic that that likes that approach in a game or any other form of media. If the Gears of war franchise ever came to the ps3, it will not sell as much because Gears is less in-depth and more garish. I say the 360 should keep its exclusives.

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I C E_COLD
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 5:38:27 PM
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To: johnld ,
Gears of war,GOW - God of war,GOW.
this is a gears of war articel dumass!

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johnld
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 6:54:55 PM

it is a gears of war article but GOW is associated with the god of war series. Its a sony/playstation blockbuster game, and the last time i check this is a playstation website. So i would think twice with the name calling because you're basically describing yourself. so who's the "dumass" now?

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 7:41:21 PM

LOL you've got to be kidding me John. It's an abbreviation. GearsofWar and GodofWar share the same abbreviation. Anyone using the abbreviation GOW in a GearsofWar thread are CLEARLY referring to Gears and not God. Stop acting like you're correct when in actuality you're completely off base. You look foolish and childish over the simplest thing.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 7:55:11 PM

Warning for flaming.

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 8:47:32 PM

Oh come on, he was going to take the bait too.

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Paolo Kutaragi
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 5:54:38 PM
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It seems that Mr.Patcher has been living under a rock lately. The PS3 userbase exceeded 30 million users a month ago. This number will be expectantly increased to 33 million PS3 worldwide after less than a month from now.

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Alienange
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 6:18:24 PM

You gotta go back and read what he said. Pachter will be expecting your apology.

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Nickjcal
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 6:30:21 PM
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I do agree with a lot of this. But i do have to say..uncharted 2s story is great. But ive never gotten more into a story than anyother game than halo. Im not a xbox 360 owner but Halos just always delivered that good storyline. I love the books and everything. Thats the 1 exclusive id would love to see join the ps3. Reach looks great to say the least

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Scarecrow
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 6:39:58 PM
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Gears is 360's limit :D
But you know, it's good that it stayed a 360 exclusive since it uses that console's maximum power.

We're fine with our exclusives. Killzone 2, God of War III, yup!

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Temjin001
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 7:02:55 PM
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I would like to see Gears on PS3. I believe, at some point, the franchise will eventually come over. Hopefully as a collection of games on a single blu-ray disc with a retooled multi-player component. And concerning Pachter’s belief that publishers should only create multi-platform games. In Epic’s case, they’re a middleware provider who has a locked and loaded PS3 tuned Unreal engine and dev kits ready to port across the Gears franchise. This should be easily done, and I agree that in terms of profitability, Epic would do well to publish the franchise on PS3. Although, I do think it makes sense for some devs to keep games platform specific. Having a game programmed specifically for a given hardware profile can help maximize quality. A dev can create a standout title that can draw a unique crowd because of their apps technological prowess. Both 360 and PS3 have architectural advantages over each other that can produce uniquely geared experiences. A company like Naughty Dog isn’t in the middleware market, and their focus is to create a truly standout experience by optimizing the strengths of just one platform.

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I C E_COLD
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 7:11:08 PM
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johnld,
what went up your ass?
Again,
it's a gears article! I love God of war ,only a dumass wouldn't know that diffrence!


Plus I put G-O-W not GOW.


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pillz81
Saturday, January 23, 2010 @ 11:23:45 PM

Wow. Your jacka$$ery is astounding.

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Temjin001
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 8:25:50 PM
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I dont understand why everything I post has all these crazy symbols where I use punctuation marks

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 8:34:50 PM
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You know, I just want to throw this out there: far too many of you are bashing on analysts and you don't really have the right.

It's easy to believe they do nothing, report common sense observations, or whatever, but that really isn't true. The science of economic prediction within any industry as big as gaming is nowhere near as easy as it looks and I think you should respect guys like Pachter, Divnich, and others.

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 8:49:53 PM

Bashing an individual within a particular field does not mean one believes that field is worthless. Pachter is a schmuck that may be intelligent and worked his ass off for where he is now but he is wrong more often than right and has a habit of stating the obvious as if he was the first one to think it.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 9:38:02 PM

I see analyst notes all the time, Limited. He is most certainly not wrong more often.

It's just because when he IS wrong, journalists leap all over it like monkeys on stray cupcakes. Predictions and estimates are given out all the time...you'd be surprised how often he's extremely accurate.

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 9:57:59 PM

I'll admit my statement regarding him being wrong more than right is based on far less evidence than you may have.

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___________
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 11:35:27 PM

all ill say is i wished i was getting paid for half a$$ed guesses.
i mean this statement what proof does he have to back the statement up?
nothing, thats what i thought.
i predict sony will see a 23% increase in sales this year over last, M$ will see a 12% increase and nintendo will receive a 12% decrease.
now wheres my 50 bucks?

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Orvisman
Friday, January 22, 2010 @ 12:51:11 PM

@Ben,

I couldn't agree more. I work with financial analysts, and those guys work 70-hour weeks.

Furthermore, they don't guess and make numbers up off the top of their heads like you d-bags think.

That's like someone coming to your Burger King or McDs or whatever and saying they could make a better burger than you.

You have no idea the work these guys do, including sifting through reams of data and financial statements and economic modeling.

So, until the bulk of you have accomplished more than learning to double bag at your local grocery store, shut up.

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just2skillf00l
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 9:56:19 PM
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(About the xbox 360 being cheaper)

The 360 is cheaper than the PS3 if the following condition is satisfied.

No online service.

After about the second payment you'll realize that the PS3 is the better choice...only if you're really thick in the head. Otherwise you would have realized that blu-ray, free online service, we got netflicks too now, as well as the PSN store and a lot of other extra content is well worth the price tag of $300 for the new 120 gig slim. Any questions? I didn't think so!

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 9:59:55 PM

Someone using the argument that the 360 is cheaper than the PS3 is like me saying a VCR is cheaper than a DVD player.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 10:42:45 PM
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Certain people won't post here for past reasons. That's all anybody needs to know.

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 10:53:15 PM

Daddy, why is mommy crying?

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coverton341
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 11:01:14 PM

Be quiet and eat your peas dear.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 11:08:51 PM

HA.

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___________
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 11:40:36 PM
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it would jump to the moon and back if gears came to the ps3, or even PC.
i love epic games, unreal tournament 3 is still one of my most played games.
gears 2 is the best shooter released since BLACK it has everything and brings so many new things to the genre.

traps. how you can plant grenades and lure enemies towards them.

proper enemy types. that way your not constantly cover camping, your forced to adopt your tactics to who your fighting.
how you take out a grunt is very different to how you would take out say the guys with swinging grenades or a ticker.

not to mention the boss fights are real fun and come on when was the last time you got eaten by a gigantic worm and severed its arteries to kill it?
that is the coolest, bad a$$ed level ive ever played!
more bad a$$ than ripping helios head off in GOW3.

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Robochic
Thursday, January 21, 2010 @ 11:53:47 PM
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I don't think Epic regrets making Gears exclusive I just think they regret not looking at the big picture and seeing what the PS3 can do, now that they see the sale figures of the PS3 they would only regret it if they don't make a PS3 exclusive or multiplat... We'll see what they have to say
I agree that if everything was multiplate we wouldn't see the developers push the limit on any console like they have been on PS3 exlcusives they would be presured to get it done and port it asap.

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johnld
Friday, January 22, 2010 @ 12:32:25 AM
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hahaha,i was just at ign on an article about epics response to pachter. The comment section is as hilarious as ever. They believe that the 360 can run uncharted 2. their reason, Its because the 360 can run final fantasy 13 so Uncharted 2 is no problem. yeah, final fantasy 13 isnt really a good measuring stick after all the news about reviews, linearity, and removed content.

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___________
Friday, January 22, 2010 @ 12:50:19 AM

even though uncharted 2 is as linear as they come ;)

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Lex Luthor
Monday, February 01, 2010 @ 4:13:12 PM

@ ______

Lay off the meds, bud

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fooosie
Friday, January 22, 2010 @ 1:25:19 AM
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Funny how money changes everything. Let's see how many more xbox devs put a foot in their mouth. "The ps3 is too unnecessarily complicated to develop for." Im sure when asked now, the word "complicatrd" will be replaced with "advanced".

I dont think we'll hear anything from Valve though. They've burned that bridge.
Then again...

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Roach721
Friday, January 22, 2010 @ 2:14:23 AM
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In the new PLAY magazine they said Mass Effect 2 was probably coming to PS3. I think Valve might also see the light.EA is a multiplatform system so it might happen.

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Snaaaake
Friday, January 22, 2010 @ 6:17:38 AM

I seriously don't understand why the first Mass Effect wasn't on the PS3.

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Snaaaake
Friday, January 22, 2010 @ 3:10:14 AM
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Selling 5 million+ is damn good.
None of the PS3 exclusives even sold 5 million.

But the sale maybe could have been 6-7.5 million if Gears was multiplat.

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FlyingKickPunch
Friday, January 22, 2010 @ 3:37:53 PM
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gears of war was the reason i bought a 360, and for a long time, gears of war was the only reason i kept my 360.
point being, i would love to see this on my ps3 :)

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Thinker
Friday, January 22, 2010 @ 8:18:22 PM
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@Ben Dutka
"I think we all know that such titles wouldn't fare well on the 360 (as the developers for such games have often said)"

Honestly, I think 360 gamers would be falling over themselves to play superlative games like Uncharted 2 if it happened to find its way there (not that that's ever going to happen, but since we are assuming...). I think Uncharted 2 is so good that it would pull in anyone who is not prejudiced.

OFF-TOPIC: Ben, could you please allow some sort of rich text (like italics, bold, underline, hyperlinks, etc) in user posts. That would be really, really useful.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, January 22, 2010 @ 8:44:32 PM

That wasn't my point. My point is that the 360 simply can't do Uncharted 2, as Naughty Dog has said in the past. And if it DID try, it wouldn't be as good so it wouldn't fare as well.

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Chrasilis
Saturday, January 23, 2010 @ 10:50:11 AM
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I love both my Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 equally, I'm a serious technology/computer geek and I have absolutely no bias. That said, the only reason I'm posting a comment here is to point out that both consoles are equally as powerful and, in fact, most multiplatform games don't even look as good or run as smooth on the PlayStation 3. No developer has ever said with concrete proof or evidence that any game could not be ran on the Xbox 360 that also runs on the PlayStation 3. And actually, if you look at games like Gears of War and compare it side by side to stuff such as Killzone 2, Uncharted 2, Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack In Time and MGS4, those PS3 exclusive really don't look any better. If you think they do, you're being a biased fanboy and you also probably think 1080p matters no matter how far away you sit. And, just for the record, almost every game worth owning long-term is available multiplatform, so it's almost complete apples & oranges at this point. If you want single player exclusives, go with the PS3, but most people don't even replay those. Plus, Modern Warfare 2 is multiplatform and Killzone 2 sucks by comparison. That's a fairly universal opinion, too. If you want a better overall online experience, regardless of yearly pricetags, the XBox 360 is better. I've always disliked Halo, so don't think that's the kind of gamer I am. But hey, as far as consoles go, 360 is where the best online gaming happens. The completely fleshed out party system and generally MUCH faster speed of the servers, even straight down to the game download speed on the XBox Live Arcade, are all far superior features. So, at the end of the day, what really matters to you? The fact that the PS3 is branded by Sony? Or the fact that it shares almost an identical gaming library, but still isn't as good for online gaming?

Summary for anyone who doesn't care about the above: PS3 = 360. There is no better console. It's apples and oranges. The deciding factor is more or less the overall online experience, but PS3's exclusive list includes a bunch of 8-12 hour single player games with very little replay value. Xbox 360's exclusive list includes stuff like Halo, Gears of War and Left 4 Dead. As for the technical prowess, both consoles are equally capable, although the Xbox 360 handles anti-aliasing much better, as well as certain high resolution textures. Compare older games that don't matter, such as Need For Speed: Shift, or compare newer games like Bayonetta. There's plenty of proof out there. Try it yourself or watch videos. In any case, don't make blind assumptions and state them as facts.

And just for the record, Microsoft doesn't pay off as many people as you think, even if you do want to believe that based on a handful of rumors. A few things, sure, but at the end of the day, that's business. I bet you guys didn't know that Sony has paid a few people off, too. ;) But hey, who am I kidding? I don't expect anyone on a site like this to actually care about any of this stuff. This is a fanboy site and that's pretty much the entire point.

No, I'm not trolling. It just annoys me when people get so biased that they state things and claim facts without any hard evidence or knowledge of the topic. :)

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, January 23, 2010 @ 9:44:39 PM

You don't know what you're talking about. NOBODY in the industry is going to agree with you that the 360 and the PS3 are equally capable. Would you like about seven hundred direct quotes from most of the world's most talented developers who refute such nonsense?

And if you honestly think Killzone 2 is crap, and that no PS3 exclusive looks better than freakin' Gears or Halo, you ARE a fanboy. Sorry, chief.

Happen to notice you only post to defend the 360. You can stop that now, or you may leave.

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sazzrah
Saturday, January 23, 2010 @ 11:03:12 PM

I'm exclusively a PS3 owner and I found some of the comments on this post ridiculously generalised in instances where people have been talking about what X360 owners do; and what X360 owners like compared with the superior lot we PS3 owners seem to think we are.

I disagree with that greatly. There are many older X360 owners and they are just as ecclectic and varied in their gaming tastes and requirements as PS3 owners. I like this website and the commenters are generally fair and mature; but I wish people could just remember we're all gamers - X360 or PS3 it makes no difference, we don't suddenly transform into lumbering idiots when we buy X360s and we don't become sophisticated game connoisseurs for owning a PS3.

Yet... I read a comment like this clearly written by an X360 zealot (the whole "I love the PS3 just as much - honest!" speech isn't fooling anyone) who went out of his way to visit a Playstation orientated news site, just to conjure up a load of inaccrate spittle to make himself feel better about his console of choice, and I can see how PS3 owners end up branding the X360 fanboys as ignorant simpletons.

The comment about Gears 2 looking just as good as Killzone 2 raised an eyebrow for me and cemented in my mind that you definitely do not own a PS3 nor Killzone 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTvYPiEi4eU You might find this video interesting, particularly.

It's a well documented fact that the PS3 has more raw power than the X360; there's devs left right and centre stating their games wouldn't run on the X360 for various reasons. Strangely I am reminded of ThatGamesCompany and the grass in Flower. That's the type of insane processing the PS3 is capable of, that it can individually animate hundreds of thousands of blades of grass when the X360 most likely couldn't without impoding where it stood due to it's terribly poor construction amongst other things.

There was also the fiasco surrounding comments made by an Uncharted 2 dev when he commented that the game wouldn't be "the same" on X360. Admittedly, he did not say it would not run on X360 (because I think other devs have been burned in the past for even making the suggestion) he only implied that Uncharted 2 wouldn't look as impressive as it does on the X360. Take what you will from these devs opinions; they are the professionals afterall and you are simply a console owner with a chip on your shoulder. I know who I would rather believe. ;)

I'm not a fangirl though, I don't like to think anyway. I see that the X360 is easier to develop for - it's like devs and consoles have all been speaking French for the past 5-6 years and then the PS3 turned up speaking German. Devs are like, whoa there... we don't understand a thing you're saying, and it's going to take us some time to learn your language before we can establish a good relationship here. The X360 also really helped to liven up the PC market making games from both systems quite easily interchangable - they managed to make an online network profitable and sustainable where other systems had failed in the past and even Sony is starting to consider a paid online content delivery system. MS also dreamed up the achievement phenomenon inspiring Sony to adopt it in the form of trophies. So I see perfectly well what the X360 has brought to the table. But make no mistake, the PS3 IS simply superior in terms of graphical capability and superior in build quality. Profits and sales do not equal a better console, they equal better marketing and cheaper pricing.

Oh and just for the record, you know no more than anyone else about Microsoft's financial dealings with development companies, nor I suspect do you know anything about how Sony conducts business. So don't think you are making a single dent in anyone's opinion about how Microsoft has quite publically offered money in exchange for exclusive games and DLC from devs.

You can justify it all you want saying "that's business" but you only say that because it doesn't affect you. If Sony were buying out every dev on the block and getting them to agree not to make games for the X360 or withold content from YOUR console I'm sure you'd have much more to say about it other than "that's business".

People like you are so baffling to me, you clearly do not like the PS3 and are an avid X360 fan so why come to a place that will quite clearly not be for you? The most likely honest answer is that you are threatened by the PS3 and feel the need to tear it down at any given opportunity to make yourself feel better. In which case I suggest you get a security blanket and hug it at night instead, because that way you save everyone else having to suffer your ignorance.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, January 23, 2010 @ 11:15:59 PM

Couldn't have said it better myself. :)

Doing this for so long, I can smell people like that a mile away. They desperately try to hide behind a false veil of objectivity, and then they toss something like MGS4 doesn't look better than anything on the 360. This, among other little slip-ups, I can predict.

Thankfully, only fools at N4G are stupid enough to buy the act. Nobody HERE, of course.

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pillz81
Saturday, January 23, 2010 @ 11:39:42 PM

Not Trolling? Ok I believe you, like I believe in Satan Claus.

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Draguss
Sunday, January 24, 2010 @ 1:22:14 AM

GAH! These are even longer, and I'm pretty sure the first one was made by a zombie.

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Orvisman
Sunday, January 24, 2010 @ 1:53:53 PM

What? Are... are you saying... Satan Claus isn't real? Say it ain't so!

You've just ruined my childhood.

If there is no Satan Claus, who gave me all those pentagrams and sacraficial daggers every X-mas?

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anaconda
Saturday, January 23, 2010 @ 11:13:20 AM
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i wish gears of war was on the ps3. i would buy it for the ps3 and not the 360. for this reason.
epic wanted to give out free maps packs and not charge xbox owners.
microsoft would not let them. epic wanted to be able to make alot of free multi player maps.
like they do for unreal tourment 3. if it ever goes to the ps3 i will own it.

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Draguss
Sunday, January 24, 2010 @ 1:15:00 AM
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instead of a smart and well founded comment (or at the very least and attempt at one) I'm going totally subjective and pointless here: I don't want Gears on the PS3. I just don't, no specific reason other than it wouldn't feel right. I don't own a 360, probably never will unless I have the money to spend on another console, and I'll probably never play Gears, but I just lke thinking of the 360 when I hear about Gears or Halo, I don't know why but I just do, maybe I'm just used to it. On a side note I had forgotten how fun it us to read through all the comments here :D

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poohbear
Saturday, October 30, 2010 @ 8:50:36 AM
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@Chrasilis I admit I am a 360 owner and i play it a lot. Yeah you can call me a gear head but after reading what you had to say you might as well put xbox fan and i own both consoles. I only play the xbox but i am stuck on a game like most of the fanboys on xbox live. If gears of war was on ps3it would be better at online gameplay just like mw2. I wouldn't even have a xbox and there probably games that are just as good on ps3 i juts haven't had to chance to play them. So lets get one thing strait ps3 is a better console. I own a xbox 360 and can say that. Microsoft rushed the xbox 360 out the door unfinished to have a year jump on Sony because if not Sony would be so far ahead. Not to mention a 50 percent fail rate. How hard is it to say that the PS3 is a better console. Just because you own both consoles don't make what you have to say unbiased either. I think everyone saw that. I played mw2 on ps3 and xbox the ps3 played it a lot better. Yes somethings that deal with software and developing games for xbox are going to be a little better at the moment because we are talking about a software company compared to a (Hardware) company. "HINT" In a lot of people's eyes Sony looks like they are failing behind but a lot of people are blind. Microsoft may come out with something first but Sony makes it right and better the first time. I am not a ps3 fanboy i don't even own the console i am just sick of trying to do research on forums and always run into a dang 360 fanboy. I think you xbox 360 fanboys are blind and brainwashed it isn't even funny. You are so sucked into the M$ corporate hype and they love you for it. I might like a game right now on xbox but i am not blind like 80% of your xbox owners out there. Get REAL FANBOYS.

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