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PS3 Currently Outselling 360 In Total Fiscal Year Sales

There was a time when it appeared nigh-on impossible for Sony to ever bridge the massive gap between their new PS3 and the competition. But by the end of the next fiscal year, the gap may be almost entirely filled.

The Big 3 have revealed their fiscal reports for the latter part of 2009 and Sony's primary competition, Microsoft's Xbox 360, now only holds a 5 million-unit lead over the PS3 in total worldwide sales. But perhaps most importantly, as noted by Examiner.com, Sony's machine is currently outselling Microsoft's for the 2009 fiscal year. Overall, Microsoft has sold 38.7 million 360s while Sony has sold 33.5 million PS3s and not surprisingly, the numbers for 2009 are the best yet for Sony. From April 1 through December 31, there were 10.8 million PS3 units sold, while Microsoft only sold 8.5 million 360s, although the Nintendo Wii continued to lead both by a relatively wide margin at 17.0 million units. As a frame of reference, though, Sony certainly didn't beat out Microsoft in 2008; there were only 6.9 million units sold in that same time period in 2008. Hence, thanks to the price drop and several must-have exclusives, the PS3 sold nearly 4 million more units in the last 8 months of 2009.  That's nearly a 46% increase.

It'll be interesting to see where the fiscal year ends up - it ends on March 31 - because Microsoft certainly has time to catch up. However, the prediction by analysts thus far is that Sony maintained their momentum through January, and with Heavy Rain hitting this month and God of War III cementing March's lineup, it's hard to see the 360 selling more units over the next two months or so. Still, the recently released and extremely well-received Mass Effect 2 will help, so it might be tight...

2/4/2010 10:18:51 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (102 posts)

THE-GAMER
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 10:37:16 AM
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The Fiscal year will end with sony cutting the gap even more and it also helps with a BIG PS3 exclusives in each month (heavy rain in feb , Gow3 in march, God of war is bigger then Mass Effect in NA

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tridon
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 10:49:52 AM

And here's hoping for The Last Guardian sometime this year, too. At least it should make Sony's fiscal period.

In other news, I find it hilarious how one of the first things you see when you come on to this site right now is a giant "Facebook now on Xbox Live!" ad. Made me laugh.

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NoSmokingBandit
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 3:02:33 PM

The Last Guardian looks amazing. Its like ICO in HD with a giant Griffin.

Think about that for a minute then run out to gamestop and preorder it.

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englishgolfer
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 10:44:27 AM
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go ps3!

*waits for aaron greenberg's weekly spin on sales figures*

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godsman
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 10:47:51 AM
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Interesting to see how much sales Sony gets from ffxiii and GOW III. If you want to play FFIII people will buy PS3. Unless microsoft advertise it as exclusive. I just want to see how many potential GOD III owners there will be. It all depends on if there will be bundles here in US of course.

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frostface
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 10:48:17 AM
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Mass Effect 2 may help Microsoft shift quite a few units but seriously, thats one game. Ps3 has exclusives God Of War, Heavy Rain, WKC, just between now and the end of March alone, not to mention the slate of multi plat games still to come in which they may share sales. The reality is that this is the age of PS3 right now. May the xbox rest in pieces.

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Jawknee
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 2:45:03 PM

WKC isn't likely to be a system seller

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frostface
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 4:21:11 PM

fair enough! :)

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Natalisrubbish
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 6:06:46 PM

@ Jawknee yeah definetly not.

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tridon
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 10:53:09 AM
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Third parties are going to help Sony take their reign back as console king this year, as well.

We get a free Divine Edition for 'Dante's Inferno', exclusive access to the 'Battlefield: Bad Company 2' beta, most likely free DLC with 'Batman: Arkham Asylum 2' considering how we had free DLC with the first title, 'Final Fantasy Versus XIII', 'Final Fantasy XIV', 'Agent', and the DLC episodes for 'Grand Theft Auto IV' are finally coming this year.

And I'm sure there'll be a LOT more bonuses with being a PS3 owner this year, too. Microsoft will be bringing out their Xbox 720 in no time to try and compete with Sony again.

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mexgeo86
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 11:01:39 AM

they do say history repeats itself so another rushed system by M$ wouldn't be a surprise

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mexgeo86
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 10:53:21 AM
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Sony has always said it's all about the software and we're starting to see that indeed, software will push consoles. Given the upcoming lineup of exclusives (GoW III, Heavy Rain, GT5), the gap will become much smaller by the end of the year.

Sony has also said that it's a marathon and not a sprint; given the games that have yet to be released (Last Guardian, Agent, Jaffe's secret IP, FF versus XIII, PSN titles), I think Sony should have no problem in maintaining its momentum going into 2011.

Hopefully this year's E3 is another installment of the Sony show.

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godsman
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 10:56:38 AM
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Of topic. While we're on sales, valkyria chronicle 2 sales are laughable. They had the same sales as ps3, but 5 times their install base. A serious mistake. Should've kept it on ps3. There's definitely room for the sequel to grow on the home console. I hope it returns soon.

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frostface
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 11:30:16 AM

Is that game out already? I want to track it down but haven't seen it anywhere.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 11:37:13 AM

I agree, VC1 is a great exclusive. They should have stayed on the big console and built their base up. Everyone knows a series sells more with sequels, but you kinda have to keep them on the same platform.

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Highlander
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 11:19:16 AM
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A question.

How many of the 38.7 million Xbox360s that Microsoft says they've sold are still working? It's a legitimate question. for the first 2-3 years of it's life the Xbox360 suffered a 30+% mortality rate. If a third of the first 25 million units are dead, that's a little over 8 million units you can drop off their total, not to mention the fact that they perma-banned another million for modding their console - how many repeat purchases did that create?

Seriously, with a lead of only 5 million units worldwide, I think it's more than legitimate to ask how many of those 360s that MS claim to have sold are still actually working.

It's my personal opinion that there are far fewer than 33 million active, working Xbox 360s around, which potentially puts Sony past Microsoft.

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I_defenestrate
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 11:34:27 AM

You beat me to that question.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 11:38:10 AM

beat me too, the gap is closed as far as I'm concerned.

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mbg77
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 11:47:23 AM

That's a very valid point. And the banning also helps.

And the funny thing about banning is, that you can have your console banned not only for modding.

There is a little country in Europe called Poland (ca. 40m people) and MS is selling Xbox there. The problem is that you cannot register with Xbox Live using your Polish address. So you have to use fake address and other data (it's pretty much similar to most of us registering on the Japanese PSN for the demos and stuff).

Imagine now that your console brakes and you have it repaired by MS (because it was still in warranty). You get it back and it's banned. You may ask why. And the answer is: because you have registered with Xbox Live using fake data.

So in essence MS is selling Xbox in Poland for the full price without allowing to access Xbox Live.

Take care.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 11:49:51 AM

Why on earth can't you register in Poland? Does Hitler run MS now?

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godsman
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 12:07:50 PM

A question for you.

How many gamers bought more than one PS3 because it's such an awesome and reliable console, as an extra blu-ray player?
Probably less than a million, but still impressive.

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SvenMD
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 12:35:30 PM

Highlander - Beautiful logic my friend! Well said.

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johnld
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 10:13:03 PM

@godsman
how about how many xbox users bought their second, third, fourth and so on, system to replace their old one because they want a back up or they didnt want to bother with dealing with microsoft? if you factor this in, buying a second ps3 doesnt really matter.

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chedison
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 10:54:17 PM

Not to mention the people that buy Xbox's on the simple fact that you are able to burn and pirate games, unlike the ps3. I'm sure a lot of people buy 360s for that reason alone ( I know a couple of people that have claimed that anyways.)

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Nynja
Friday, February 05, 2010 @ 10:09:47 AM

Playing Devil's Advocate;

How many PS3s were purchased for use as Super Computers not gaming?

I bet that'll earn me some thumbs down :)

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Highlander
Friday, February 05, 2010 @ 11:56:48 AM

@Nynja,

I don't know how many were, so you? I do know that it's not a significant fraction of the sales. Let's take the USAF for example, what was it they did, a 2000 PS3 cluster? That's 2% of 1 million. with sales over 33 million, that's 0.006% of total sales. Even if there were 100 such 2000 machine clusters, that's still only 0.6% of sales. Not a huge number, and I don't believe that there are 200,000 PS3s in use in super computing clusters. Even if there were, the massively increased sales in 2009 were largely due to the PS3 Slim model, which does not run Linux, and is not useful for super computing clusters.
Sorry, no thumbs down for playing Devil's Advocate, especially when it's so easily countered...

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bridgera
Friday, February 05, 2010 @ 2:01:32 PM

Excellent question Highlander.

That really puts it in perspective. I have no doubt that 5 million people had their 360 die on them outside of its warranty.

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Draguss
Saturday, February 06, 2010 @ 11:49:57 PM

Here in CR I know a ton of people who've had to buy 360's because it seems warranty doesn't cover here. This may be a small country but it proves your point, not to mention (as bridgera stated) how many people have been lucky enough to have their 360 last long only for it to fail outside the warranty.

setlogix, I know what you mean, over here that's like the main reason people prefer the 360 over the PS3 (not that I can really blame them, a pirate game is about $2, while and original PS3 game is around $120).

WorldEndsWithMe, for some reason...I really wouldn't be surprised (well besides the fact that he's dead of course, but you get my point)

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SirLoin of Beef
Sunday, February 07, 2010 @ 6:54:51 AM

I have 2 (one which was bought on launch day) and they're both working fine. Of course, I consider myself very lucky considering the 360's failure rate.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 11:41:46 AM
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It will be interesting to see what MS has to offer with their next announcements. The thing is, without Halo and Gears, they rely on 3rd parties and 3rd parties are no longer willing to go exclusive with them because their money bags can't touch the potential multiplat PS3 sales. Even the guys at Bioware are being evasive about Mass Effect 2. Splinter Cell might be next.

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Highlander
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 11:46:08 AM

Bioware came out and shot down the talk of MassEffect 2 on PS3, it's not gonna happen. Mass Effect 2 is a PC/360 exclusive.

MS has been conspicuously quiet for a long time now. Either they really have nothing to say, or they have been working on something. Since this is Microsoft, I'm assuming that they have been working on something.

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Jawknee
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 11:49:31 AM

Didnt EA say Mass Effect on PS3 is not a choice but a "necessity" or something?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 11:50:52 AM

Proof highlander? All I've read is instances of them having "no plans at this time" or just dodging the question all together.

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fluffer nutter
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 12:10:53 PM

I read that thread on BioWare's forums and that quote had ME in it, not ME2. Not that I care.

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Shams
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 12:20:02 PM

Idk, I was at a Gamestop, one ran by despondent 360 zealots, and the impression I got was, "um yeah, it's great game".

Me: "But would you recommend it as a must-buy"?

Him: "Yeah, I guess, sure, it's a great game."

Me: "But, could it wait?"

Him: "Yeah, you might as well buy it used down the line".

Me: "Ah, thanks for the honesty."


My impression: a game that was welcomed with much critical acclaim, but received with luke-warm response. I'll wait for Ben's impression in an EOW editorial.

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Highlander
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 1:15:51 PM

Regarding Bioware, Mass Effect 2 and the PS3.

Here's a link at gamespy;

http://xbox360.gamespy.com/xbox-360/mass-effect-2/1066466p1.html

And another link...

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2010/02/04/bioware-mass-effect-not-coming-to-ps3/1

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Arvis
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 2:38:01 PM

The info I've seen about this still seems dodgy to me. The guy is still not 100% clear on the subject, and this newfound emphasis is only a result of gamers finding PS3-specific code in the game engine and saying "THIS PROVES IT!"

The "announcement" on the forum is a lot more like damage control than a concrete denial.

I, personally, will never lose hope.

-Arvis

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 3:56:20 PM

I don't really care if it comes or not, but that is not a "no" it is simply saying that it is for pc and xbox 360 atm, and there are "no plans" for a PS3 release. Which we have all read before when devs can't say "no" for sure. There is just no plans until exclusivity rights wear off. Remember Star Ocean 4 and Bioshock had "no plans" either. The GTA DLC had "no plans" the Fallout 3 DLC had "no plans"

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johnld
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 10:16:04 PM

yeah, bioware said everything to state that mass effect is on pc and xbox 360. They never said the definitive answer of "No". if i remember correctly, there was a 360 exclusive game before that they found ps3 code in and now its multiplatform. i just dont remember which game exactly. maybe it was bioshock.

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Highlander
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 11:24:28 PM

Mass Effect 2 uses the Unreal Engine which is cross platform. There are references to the PS3 in the source code for the Unreal Engine and that's what the fuss is about. Someone from Bioware stated categorically on one of their forums that the game remains a PC and 360 exclusive.

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Arvis
Friday, February 05, 2010 @ 9:28:45 AM

...for now. :)

-Arvis

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Hitch
Friday, February 05, 2010 @ 2:42:59 PM

@ shams: Thats totally false. The response was just as big as the acclaim it sold 2 million in less than a week.

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Jawknee
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 11:48:21 AM
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Good to hear. I knew this would happen sooner or later. it was only a matter of time. The guy at my local Target said that they have been having a hard time holding onto the Slim model. I looked around, there had what looked like a few Wii's, 2 PS3's and a boat load of 360's. he also mention now that about half of the people who come into buy a Xbox are replacing an old one. i guess he asks when they buy one.

By the way, when is PSX's White Knight Chronicles review going to be up? I already own the game, have been having fun so far, im curious to see what PSX says. IGN gave it a 5.1. WTF?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 11:56:15 AM

yeah I'm waitin for PSXE too, before I buy, I think Ben will spend more time with it than IGN of course.

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Jawknee
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 12:01:34 PM

i bought it before reading any reviews. I just assumed it would be fun. i dont know why. maybe it was just me trying to fill my need for a decent JRPG. i dont know. you can tell its a older game. the graphics are a mixed bag. Some environments look great, others are just ok. The character models are decent. No were near as good as Final Fantasy XIII, but still charming in a cheesy anime sorta way. Over all im enjoying the game. Seems like your traditional JRPG. nice game to tide you over till FFXIII arrives.

one flaw i can point out, is the lip syncing. Its really bad. You can tell they took little to no time re-syncing the lips for the International version. Which is not a big deal but still a flaw none the less. oh and theres some minor screen tearing. Not too bothersome like in AC2.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 12:12:25 PM

Edit: I just found it brand new for 45, shipped, on Ebay. HAD to buy it!

Hey if it's as good as Eternal Sonata I will be pleased.

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Jawknee
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 12:29:26 PM

It's better then Eternal Sonata. I loved Eternal Sonata's design and graphics. Ever since Wind Waker, I loves me some cell shaded 3D graphics, but I found it boring to play and the story didn't interest me much.

WKC is a lot more interesting IMO.

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Oxvial
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 2:05:50 PM

I didn't like the characters design they look lifeless and I have the same problem with Star Ocean 4.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 2:26:30 PM

Hey Jawk, hows the character creation system for the silent friend you drag around?

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Jawknee
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 2:32:51 PM

WorldEnds, It's actually pretty expansive. A lot of options and ways to customize. I found it deeper then Demon's Soul's creation system.

@Oxviel, I kinda agree. Character models could be much better. Over all it's a great game and is well worth playing, but for those who think it will be better then FFXIII, eh I thinks it's safe to say, even without playing FFXIII yet, FFXIII will be a much better game overall.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 3:07:30 PM

Sounds great then!

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sonic1899
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 1:01:10 PM
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I wonder how small that unit gap between the two is now :D

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Alienange
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 1:04:16 PM
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Are people eating the Wii? 17 million... that's bonkers.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 2:04:57 PM

goes well with hot sauce.

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cLoudou
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 2:35:54 PM

I eat mine with Saraichi sauce, you know the one with the rooster on the label.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 2:36:54 PM

buffalo sauce?

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Jawknee
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 2:43:14 PM

Goes even better with Tatsunoko vs Capcom.

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www
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 3:50:33 PM

Of course their smoking the Wii

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BikerSaint
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 2:28:46 PM
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And a bunch of bologna too.

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BikerSaint
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 2:38:19 PM
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I'd think there's got to be more than 5 million RROD'ed 360's since it originally came out, especially seeing how most of their gamers are already on their 3rd, 4th, or 5th 360's already.
Plus add to that, I read that over a million box's were banned over the Christmas season banned too.

So, I'll make bet that if 360 re-sales due to RROD's, were omitted, along with those banned boxes, then the PS3 has actually surpassed the entire total "TRUE" amount of 360 sold....and by at least 1 million consoles too.

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Jawknee
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 2:48:39 PM

There's no doubt there's more then 5 million Xbox users who are on their second, third, or fourth unit. Everyone I know who's owned a Xbox has been through at least two. Just about everyone of them made at least a second brand new purchase.

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Casual Friday
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 2:47:22 PM
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While all good news for Sony is refreshing to hear after the PS3's troubled beginning I am still a little more hesitant than most to say that the tide has completely turned. The PS3 did make a major gain on the 360 install base this past year but it is still over two years away from catching up.

In addition, the PS3 made its install base gains on the 360 outside of America (Japan, Europe, etc.). In the USA it actually lost ground to the 360 (Per NPD) over the previous year. It may not matter to fans where the units are sold however it definitely does to Sony. The reason is that no other region buys software anywhere near the rate the Americans do and software is where gaming companies make thier money. Consider where each of the big three are selling the most consoles and games..

PS3
Japan 15% install base/8% games/3.7 tie ratio
America 40% i.b./51% games/8.4 tie ratio
Others 45% i.b./41% games/6.0 tie ratio

360
Japan 3% install base/2% games/5.2 tie ratio
America 58% i.b./68% games/10.7 tie ratio
Others 39% i.b./30% games/6.9 tie ratio

Wii
Japan 15% install base/10% games/4.3 tie ratio
America 47% i.b./57% games/8.3 tie ratio
Others 38% i.b./33% games/5.8 tie ratio

In my opinion Sony's real goal should not just be catching the 360's overall install base, it should be finding a way to get the people who have PS3's to buy some games. The Wii has a reputation (some would say well deserved) for only playing Wii Sports. However the Wii's overall tie ratio (6.7) is actually higher than the PS3's (6.6). Should this be acceptable for a superior and more hardcore machine?

The only way I see Sony really 'winning' this generation would be to start cutting into the 360's lead in the American install base (about 9 million right now), something they haven't begun to do yet. That would help decrease the 60/40 sales gap that is typical for blockbuster multiplatform releases. It would also help the PS3's AAA exclusives begin to sell at a rate that reflects their quality and critical acclaim.

I'm not saying the PS3 won't wind up winning, but as one who enjoys crunching numbers I'm not calling it game over just yet.

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Highlander
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 4:36:25 PM

@Friday,

The problem with this logic is the known facts regarding Xbox360 mortality. Outside the US the PS3 undoubtedly is outselling the 360, but even in the states you have to wonder what the true picture is with so many people having purchase one or more replacement 360s. You can talk about attach rates all you want, but in truth, the figures that matter to publishers are revenue, and IIRC last fiscal year (12 months or so ago) EA was reporting that the PS3 was responsible for the largest portion of it's revenue. That kind of thing matters more to EA than so-called attach rates. The installed base of PS3s that are still functional is almost certainly greater globally than 360, and within the US I don't think it if too far behind. In the US especially you have to factor in the persistence of US buyers replacing their dead 360 and however many of that 1 million banned 360s were replaced by US users as well. Just looking at attach rates or self declared sales numbers doesn't really give the full picture.

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mexgeo86
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 4:49:08 PM

as far as numbers, just look at average yearly sales. Xbox in 4 years averages about 9.68 million units (38.7/4) whereas the ps3 averages 11.17 (33.5/3).

Let's suppose these stay constant. We see (simple line graphs where the slope equals their average sales) that halfway through the ps3's 5th year (xbox's 6th) the two intersect (around 70 mil. units) meaning they have equal sales but after that point, obviously the ps3 pulls ahead.

Considering the planned 10year life cycle, I'd say the ps3 is the winner since by the end of it's 5th year, it's ahead of the xbox.

Now yes, the averages can and will change but given the upcoming exclusives on both consoles, it's more likely the ps3 will keep or improve its average rather than the xbox.

Also consider the growth in Blu-Ray in the coming years.

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Shadow_Ninja
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 8:24:05 PM

Friday has a great point. Since the xbox's critically aclaimed fail rate is about 30%. That puts around 20 something active xbox's. Which would mean the ps3 overall has a higher active install base. Yet the xbox is still out selling in software ratio? Sale ratio for MW2 was 60/40 with xbox in the lead. What would that mean for software sales if the xbox actually had those extra 12 million consoles they have sold? And the PS3 isn't invincible, mine has broken down....twice.

Its not that im being biased or negative, im just trying to be realistic.

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BikerSaint
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 3:00:46 PM
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In another related story....

"Sony sells 6.5M PS3s in Q4, posts $871.2M profit"

Electronics giant back in black after months in red; PS3's sales jump by 2 million during holidays--life-to-date sales hit 33.5 million; PSP and PS2 sales slump, annual game-software sales estimate cut by 40 million units.

You can read the entire article here:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6249459.html?tag=recent_news;title;1

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mexgeo86
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 3:35:13 PM

nice

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Highlander
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 4:38:12 PM

$871.2 million in profits!? That's like 90 billion yen. Quite a turn around from last year.

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Scarecrow
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 3:47:51 PM
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ps3 has always been the true next-gen console

end of story

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xnonsuchx
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 4:10:10 PM
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360 fanboys will only care about US sales anyway, so will still claim a hollow 'victory' until if and when PS3 US total sales beat 360. And even then, they'll switch to game sales or still just blindly scream that the PS3 has no games, that PSN sucks or whatever.

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Highlander
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 4:38:38 PM

Casual Friday already started talking exclusively about the US market and attach rates....LOL!

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Deleted User
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 5:12:21 PM

Indeed, Xbots only care about the U.S. as that's where most of them are from. Sony has a ways to go to beat MS in the U.S. but worldwide, they are clearly going to surpass them, maybe by the end of 2010 if The Agent and GT5 both arrive. I think The Agent is a April 2011 release.

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Shadow_Ninja
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 8:27:12 PM

And what exactly do playstation fan boys care about? Because im only hearing one side of the story.

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johnld
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 5:10:32 PM
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The people who bought Mass Effect 2 already had a 360 before. Some of them are also buying it for the pc. Mass Effect is nowhere near the system selling level as God of War.

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Jawknee
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 5:15:57 PM

Mass Effect is highly over rated just like every Xbox exclusive.

WOOHOO! another Sci-fi shooter! thats all we need.

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MyWorstNightmar
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 11:15:01 PM

John, lets wait until GOW III comes out to make that claim. I am not impressed with PS3 owners and their purchasing of PS3 "system sellers" (look at Killzone 2, Uncharted 2 sales numbers).

I have been trying to understand why Xbox360 games sell so much better than PS3 games. I bet the average age of Xbox 360 owners is much younger than PS3 owners are.

Point being, younger gamers have more time and disposable income to buy games. Older gamers are wiser with their money, and also have less time for games as they have more responsibilities (family, jobs). So that would be a major reason that PS3 games sell well under that of Xbox games.

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Highlander
Friday, February 05, 2010 @ 12:09:17 PM

@MyWorst,

I think you have the point about disposable income in reverse. Older gamers have more disposable income to spend on games. I think that the difference is that younger gamers are more impulsive with their spend. So as you say the 360 has probably got a younger consumer base than the PS3, and the impulse spending of younger consumers drives higher game sales.

Also, younger consumers are more subject to peer pressure than older, more mature, more individual consumers. If your friends all say they are buying game X, there is pressure to follow their lead. If you have the money and are a tad impulsive, it's easy to buy game X. An older, less impulsive, less pressured consumer makes a decision more for their own reasons.

PS3 and Wii are both considered to be more family friendly systems than the 360 (despite Walmart's best efforts to say otherwise). Demographically PS3 consumers and gamers are older, and Wii gamers are younger (parents make most purchasing decisions for the Wii). The 360 sit's between these two with consumers more likely to be single and old enough to make their own purchase decisions. You can see the impact of this in the tie ratios quoted by Casual Friday further down in this thread. The PS3 and Wii ratios are almost identical.

It's notable that the 360 tie ratio is far higher in the USA where the young adult demographic is possible the most affluent of any market, and also the most peer driven. It's also notable that the 360 has it's best market in the US where this group of consumers is perhaps at their strongest.

Peer pressure and impulse buys...this same demographic is probably the most affected by aggressive marketing campaigns as well. Powerful weapons in shaping minds of these consumers.

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Hitch
Friday, February 05, 2010 @ 2:44:35 PM

Jawknee you are very misguided

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johnld
Friday, February 05, 2010 @ 4:16:34 PM

@myworst
You are clearly underestimating the god of war franchise. God of war is almost synonimous with the ps3 brand, i couldnt say the same for mass effect and the 360. Even i want to get the game and i dont really like button mashing types of games.

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MyWorstNightmar
Friday, February 05, 2010 @ 9:12:39 PM

John – let me give you some numbers for your revered franchise. God of War II has sold 2.6 million copies. Gears of War? 6 million! Gears of War 2? 5.5 million! Halo 3? Over 10.5 million!
How many millions and millions and millions of PS2’s are out there to only have sold 2.6 million copies of God of War II??
To date almost 39 million Xbox360’s have been sold. Do you get my point? PS3 franchise games are just not as well supported as 360. That is why I laugh when people say how great a system seller God of War III will be even before it has come out.

Highlander – how many kids do you know pay mortgages, the light bill, the cable bill, pay for vacations, pay for little league, take the family out to dinner? That is my point about the disposable income. Yours and my money go to taking the family out to dinner, or clothes for the kids, or go to the casino. Not to mention, our wives have dibs on half of our disposable income for stuff like hair salons, or makeup. Now, kids disposable income? It can ALL go to their favorite hobbies. That was the point I was trying to make

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johnld
Sunday, February 07, 2010 @ 7:21:38 PM

@worst
so when you try to defend/argue god of war as system sellers you come out with the amount of games these franchises sold instead of systems it moved? one more thing, god of war 2 came out for the ps2 near the end of its lifetime so i wouldnt expect it to be a system seller then. maybe you should include sales of the god of war collection too. You cant really expect a game that released at the end of the ps2 lifetime to be a system seller and use games that were there at the beginning of a systems lifecycle.

As for the sales of gears and halo, they just sold a lot because there werent that much great games available on the 360 library compare to the PS2 library. The same goes for the ps3 library vs the 360 library now. the ps3 library has a variety of different types of games, just your examples of top games for 360 are shooters.

those 360 games basically sold well because that was the next best thing and basically dry in between releases. look at the release for ps3 right now, theres a game for everyone. people like me who dont have that much money to spend have to pick which games to buy day 1. Its not that we're not buying the other games we missed, we're just waiting until we can afford it hence giving ps3 games legs to sell in the long run. I do have a 360 but the last game i bought for it was infinite undiscovery and that was a few months ago when i found it for 10 bucks. Theres just nothing on the 360 lineup that i want to get. I know friends who just jump from halo game to halo game, modern warfare to modern warfare game, gears to gears game because there was nothing that caught their attention.

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BikerSaint
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 5:23:35 PM
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Hey I just thought of something,

I'll bet a lot of 360 owner's have just about bought as many console due to RRODS & banning's, as there is Halo games already out now.

That's one 360 for each game, so no wonder MS want's to continue the series well into numeral Halo-10,001.

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Snaaaake
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 6:13:37 PM
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Wonder if Sony can keep up this momentum even after Natal is release?
Natal is simply amazing and I'm pretty sure fathers and mothers are interested in this just like they did with the Wii.

Though 360 is currently being outsold, I'd say that once Halo Reach is out then Microsoft will ban consoles again.

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Deleted User
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 6:17:35 PM

HAHA! That sounds like a great time for the ban hammer. 13 year old boys are that stupid enough to mod their consoles a second time. It's amazing how they think piracy is A.O.K.

Man, RRoD, piracy, racism and sexism online and kids paying others to earn achievements for them. All hail the American console.

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Highlander
Friday, February 05, 2010 @ 12:18:00 AM

"Natal is amazing"?? On the basis of exactly what, do you make that determination?

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SirLoin of Beef
Sunday, February 07, 2010 @ 7:10:55 AM

Natal looks like it could be cool but until I see it run actual consumer software I'll reserve judgment on how it'll impact sales of the 360.

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BikerSaint
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 6:29:45 PM
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Another good related article....

Sony's Peter Dille: The company's marketing and PSN chief says it won't be long before PS3 outpaces Xbox 360 in global sales.

Read the full article here:
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/106/1065686p1.html



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Cholo Gamer
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 8:14:08 PM
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Worldwide sales are different on VGchartz aren't they?

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Snaaaake
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 8:22:25 PM

It's common knowledge that VGchartz isn't reliable.
Beside, Microsoft count their unit as shipped instead of sold, and if Sony were to count it as shipped as well then Sony has already reach 40 million.

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Qubex
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 8:52:37 PM
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My thoughts on this...

As some of the avid PsxExtreme comments readers may remember, I have posted a few times before that I always felt, judging by the current trending of the past few months, the PS3 should be on par with the Xbox360 between July/September this year.

If it is not, I think it will be very close... and I feel that by the holidays 2010, we should be at parity at the very least, or maybe, will surpass the Xbox360 by early 2011, first quarter. My feeling is that it could be sooner though.

As some of you have said, and in particular Highlander's comments earlier on; if one takes into consideration the number of re-bought 360's and re-bought 360's due to banning, it could very well be that the PS3 is very very close to parity already. If the numbers being thrown about are "absolutes", then yes, in sold 360's there are still more, but the PS3 will close the gaps.

We just cannot ignore the fact that so many Xbox's have been re-bought... on average that could work out to something like 1.5 to 2.0 Xbox360's per actual buyer... depending on the actual replacement statistics of course...

Looking down the road... there is absolutely no doubt in my mind (and I am sure others feel similarly here)... that the PS3 will pass the 360 in absolute terms; and in the end have a far nicer, classier and awesome collection of exclusive game titles that will continue Sony's great legacy in this domain.

I still repeat though... don't discount Apple in the future... I think they are noticing the huge revenues in gaming and want a chunk of the market. Don't discount Nintendo on releasing a revolutionary machine in the future... they need to keep themselves in top spot for the long term, and don't discount M$, who are learning from their mistakes and may come back better and harder than ever before...

We all hope Sony stays on top of things and produces products people really really want and are happy with.

My advice... Sony needs to continue listening closely to their consumers... don't let arrogance creep in... the customer is always right!!!

Q!

"i am home"



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Highlander
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 9:01:10 PM

@Quebex,

Great points, especially about Apple. Apple has very little revenue due to gaming since there are so few games written specifically for the Apple platform. That's partly down to the whole Microsoft Games for Windows thing, and probably in part down to Apple not having cared about gaming before.

Regarding Sony and listening to consumers. I think that Sony had a very unpleasant two years with the PS3 when it launched, and learned a lot of lessons then that should propel them forwards. Notably, I think that they lost some of the arrogance they'd been developing.

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johnld
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 10:20:40 PM
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Theres one thing i want to know about those number though. we all know that when sony releases numbers for units sold, they actually count the ones they sold. Microsoft however, counts units shipped as units sold. Does anybody know if this microsoft number are actually "sold"? if these are shipped numbers then the gap is certainly a lot smaller.

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Robochic
Thursday, February 04, 2010 @ 11:48:32 PM
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Its good to see that they are getting momentum, I am surely interested in the next sales figures especially after heavy rain, GOW III come out it surely will be interesting.

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___________
Friday, February 05, 2010 @ 12:13:17 AM
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so when are games going to follow suit?
the fact that ME2 has sold the same amount of units in 2 weeks, that took uncharted 2 months is kinda sad.
i cant help but wonder what if both uncharted and uncharted 2 sold better would of that changed the game?
i mean sony have been bleeding money ever since they launched the ps3, actually no before.
now their closing down studios, halting projects.
SCEE london studios has halted development on numerous unannounced projects and rumors have it 0ver 60% of the studio is going to be axed.
cant help but wonder how many games we would of seen by now if ps3 games started off selling how they should of.
IF that happened we would of got more first party exclusives, more third party exclusives and more MP games.
not to mention the getaway 3 and 8 days would of not been "put on hold" 50 bucks says thats not true though, 50 bucks says there gone for good.

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Highlander
Friday, February 05, 2010 @ 12:19:16 AM

Sometimes you need to take off the black hat to avoid black hat thinking.

Has anyone ever wondered whether the reason that 360 gamers buy more games is due to the fact that they can't find more than three worth playing and constantly take the others back to the store to buy something else? Then when something worth playing does come along it sells like crazy because everyone is sick of playing the last decent game that came out.

At least with the PS3 there are multiple very good titles available at one time allowing fans of each genre a chance to buy the game of their choice first before returning to other games later. Ever noticed how PS3 games have very long tails to their sales curves when compared to 360?

The fallacy of tie ratios is that it's also a measure of game churn. Sales of used games do not figure in, and neither does anyone bother to count the numbers of trades. I wonder how many of those games sold to create such a hi9gh tie ratio on the 360 are later traded in for a derisory amount?

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___________
Friday, February 05, 2010 @ 12:35:25 AM

there are many, many more good games than 3 to play for the 360, its got the same amount as the ps3 more or less.
granted most ps3 exclusives are better but that does not mean that the 360s lacking in that department because its not.
ok even if thats true than why do multiplatform games normally sell better on the 360?
and dont spit out console base theres got to be more than that.
i think its because a good portion of people who have bought a ps3 did so to watch movies not play games.
hell 2 of my family members and a friend of mine bought a ps3 as a bluray player just for their movies since its fairly cheap and has online functionality.

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Casual Friday
Friday, February 05, 2010 @ 7:59:49 AM

For full disclosure I do not own either a 360 or a PS3. I do have a Wii (NES nostalgia & 2 kids) but I don't have a personal stake in the HD console war. I started following PSX Extreme because I was looking for GT5 info and release date. GT5 along with getting a Blu-Ray player will be my tipping point to entering the HD console market. I stuck around here because I found well written articles and mostly adult conversation.

The point I was trying to make with tie ratios and sales per region was that I think articles comparing total consoles shipped/sold don't tell us that much. As many have pointed out failure rates are not included. Also manufacturers typically lose money or break even on them. I believe that a better judge of the health of a system lies in software sales. I also think that my assessment that Sony is lagging behind there is accurate.

In what way is a high 'churn' rate a bad thing for Microsoft? If one owner buys 8 games, ends up trading half of them in and then turns around and buys two more (10.0 tie ratio), is that not better than an owner who buys 8 games, keeps them all but doesn't buy any more?

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Highlander
Friday, February 05, 2010 @ 12:00:55 PM

I think high churn indicates that gamers are not as satisfied with their games as they might be on a platform with lower churn. Personally, if I am not satisfied with games, I tend to drift away from that console. In the long term the console business as about many things, including consumer loyalty. Dissatisfied consumers change brands. That's ultimately bad for Microsoft.

That said, Xbox360 consumers have shown themselves to be almost immune to dissatisfaction, how else can we explain a console with a 30+% mortality rate still being popular with the very people burned by the mortality rate?

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___________
Friday, February 05, 2010 @ 11:48:26 PM

remember just because games get traded in does not mean the buyer did not like the game.
i traded in almost all of my last year games just so i can have enough cash to buy new ones.
i do that all the time, i bought dantes inferno and ill take that back for bioshock 2, than ill take that back for AVP than ill take that back for heavy rain and so on.
the only games i keep are imported games because EB wont let me trade them in (even though they can sell them :@) or if the games having some big DLC releasing soon like AC2.
most of my friends do the same, me and mick have had a ps3 since launch you add his library and mine together we have 6 games.
why keep a game when you have finished it and have gotten everything out of it?
id rather trade it in and save some cash.

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faraga
Friday, February 05, 2010 @ 7:06:28 AM
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When GT5 will come out that'll be the PS3's biggest boast yet.

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mid10smaradoarg
Friday, February 05, 2010 @ 10:17:36 AM
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i dont really care about numbers i just enjoy the best system in the world PS3 i have the console i ever wanted ,that's all i care.

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cadpig
Saturday, February 06, 2010 @ 1:46:46 PM
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I'm just going to wait until God of war 3 comes out, hopefully that will move some systems.

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