2K: Developers Don't Care About "Silly Platform Wars"

Qubex
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 10:49:06 AM
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Ben, I understand exactly what you are saying; and I am sure others feel that fanboy wars really do nothing for the industry as a whole... my only gripe are that problems we have seen with the quality of multi-plat titles.

Granted, the first generation were not that good. We can see they have improved though, with developers spending more time refining their game engines, and in some cases, employing separate teams in order to sustain the "quality/production" levels on each given platform... however, we as PS3 owners really enjoy and respect developers that give the hardware justice. Exclusives, in my view are simply better, and they can... and in this case... do show the PS3's superiority in its choice of technology and execution.... any gamer worth their salt cannot argue against this fact...

Developers will make sales, and a lot of them, if they realise that gamers who see real effort being made on their platform, pushing the hardware and showing what can be done will be loyal and will purchase games for the collection.

For example, I would purchase a 360 to buy Mass Effect 2, because I think its worthy of a purchase, it's a brilliant game... however we also know and can imagine how good it could be if it were only a PS3 exclusive... the extra power and storage, amazing... and we see it with other titles. I can understand why people are upset losing FFXIII, i mean it seems it is half the game it should be, from what I have read and seen. Sure it may play well, and remind you of the good old days to some extent, but it's not the same.

Developers may want to remain "neutral" however one cannot dispel the fact that us gamers who are loyal to our platform expect loyalty back from the developers we support... and I feel we should promote and stand up for our platform as much as possible... if only to make sure people are factually aware for the sake of being technically correct and not live in a dream world of misinformation and arrogance.

Q!

"i am home"

Last edited by Qubex on 2/8/2010 11:00:50 AM

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 12:24:01 PM

I agree, although I think it's clear that Xbox 360 exclusives are also better than many multiplats. It's obvious that when a developer is given a chance to focus entirely on one platform, they can produce better experiences.

At the same time, I think it's also clear that the PS3 is simply the better machine, and why PS3 exclusives tend to represent the best this generation has to offer. If we support that, perhaps we'll see more... But in general, I think real gamers should just want to have fun and support the developers that do the best work.

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coverton341
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 12:31:03 PM

Amen to that Ben. The Gears of War franchise no matter what anyone says is a solid franchise and so is the Uncharted franchise. Yes, Naughty Dog put forth the better games IMHO but both franchises shine on their respective consoles. We as gamers should show love to these types of offerings to ensure that we continue to receive them.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 2:43:57 PM

1000% agreed.

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Qubex
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 8:18:21 PM

Yes, true Ben, the xBox multi-plats are indeed good for what they are. Maybe true comparisons can only be made between xBot and PS3 game exclusives to really judge which machine is actually better.

I have been doing quite a bit of back ground research on the SCEA Developer website - reading through GD conference white papers on Cell and RSX programming and optimisation. What the papers prove to me and what SCEA/SCEE keeps on hammering home to the developers, is just how massively parallel the processing capabilities are of the PS3. We are talking fact here again; it was engineered to be so. In-fact I feel the Ps3 was actually "dumbed down" by Sony - to some extent - with more memory it would have been an even better power house.

Again, no one can ignore the fact the USAF (United States Air Force) has purchased 3000 odd PS3 for massive parallel number crunching... they did not chose xBox, they chose the PS3... that says something. Othe universities and research facilities have done similarly. Unfortunately Sony has removed the "otherOS" functionality so now Linux cannot be used on the Slims and therefore people interested in "playing" with the hardware can't really anymore :( I can understand why, as Linux has now enabled an exploit in the Hypervisor to be find and all the code dumped out... I guess some in the Homebrew scene are happy, others, especially the commercial companies that support the PS3 are understandably not...

The fact of the matter is; after having read quite a bit of what the PS3 can actually do developers can and will do more with the hardware... I see the way SCEA are developing techniques to use the Cells SPU's/SPE's brute force in conjunction with the RSX in parallel, how to enhance graphics with anti aliasing, creating realistic shadow maps (which have been an issue this generation with some of the game engines), and how to keep frame rate sustained at higher resolutions.

The xBox, i believe, has reached its limits... the PS3 has not...

Q!

"i am home"

Last edited by Qubex on 2/8/2010 8:21:28 PM

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Hitch
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 10:50:21 PM

@qubex: Even though what you are saying may be true, u are starting to sound like a fanboy. This article is not about the ps3 being more powerful, it's about just enjoying games no matter what console it is on. So save the ps3 is teh bestez speech for another article please.

Last edited by Hitch on 2/8/2010 10:52:53 PM

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Qubex
Tuesday, February 09, 2010 @ 1:03:29 AM

Have to disagree with you there Hitch, I am simply explaining what I have read in the research released by Sony. They themselves are trying to illustrate to developers how to get the best out of the machine... but what it does prove, is the massive calculative power the PS3 has, and as a fact it cannot be dis-proven... if one wants to scorn the other side like a child in a sand pit... and doing it without proper knowledge of how the relative machines work, then yes, I have to agree, that individual would be a "fanboy"...

One must research, understand/consume the knowledge and then give an opinion, no matter how small it is... the point being I am making a statement about the potential of the machine, and we have seen some of what it can do through the exclusives that have been released for the PS3 to date...

I will leave "fanboyism" to others - what ever that really means today, but if I come across information that I think people would appreciate knowing I will talk about it...

Q!

"i am home"

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Beamboom
Tuesday, February 09, 2010 @ 5:41:12 AM

I disagree. Statistically speaking, if we look at the overall quality of the ps3 exclusives (counting ALL the exclusives - not just the two top ones) I see no rational reason why you could say that the ps3 exclusives are better in any way. On the contrary, I'd say the multi platform releases seems to hold a better AVERAGE quality than the ps exclusives. Take bioshock, all the CODs (yes indeed!), fallout, borderlands, batman, skate, Burnout, GTA, Saints Row, Assassins Creed...

When I think of it I'd say ALL my favorites on the ps3 so far are multi platforms. And you know what? So friggin' what! I don't mind that xbox and PC owners can enjoy the same game - why should I? A good game is a good game, period. And in addition I've got a blu-ray player, a multimedia-station that looks darn good, interact with my Bravia TV and audio system and plays like a charm.

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geovanwitdakick
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 11:04:11 AM
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The Games is primarily the reason for fanboy rants.

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geovanwitdakick
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 11:04:28 AM
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correction, the games are*

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Mornelithe
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 11:20:01 AM
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Says the developer that sold timed exclusivity of one of the bigger games in the current console cycle? Apparently, one could derive from that statement and their previous actions that they only care about money. Not about developing for their fans, and certainly not about promoting hardware designed and manufactured in an inferior manner to current industry standards.

Bravo 2K?

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Jawknee
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 1:48:06 PM

yea i have to agree. It seems a tad hypocritical for him to say. I remember all the Xbots at work crowing about how they get the "awesomely awesome" Bioshock and us "PS3 F*gs" didn't. Seems 2K game them a reason to crow.

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Jawknee
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 2:15:56 PM

*Seems 2K gave them a reason to crow.

Dammit, only on my 1st cup of coffee.

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bigrailer19
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 3:16:24 PM

I was thinking thesame thing. Glad you brought that up. I will say though that atleast 2k Marin has stepped up and said something, regardless of what you pointed out.

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englishgolfer
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 11:27:19 AM
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*reads title. looks over at gabe newell. rolls eyes*

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Orvisman
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 12:33:25 PM

LOL

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LittleBigMidget
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 11:48:12 AM
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Fanboy wars used to be really fun. Now its just...Ew. Ah,I remember the good ol' days when i was a Mario fanboy and my friends were Sonic fanboys.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 12:21:22 PM

Heh...I remember those days. :)

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Kowhoho
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 4:06:41 PM

"Heh...I remember those days. :)"

I wish I was experienced enough to say things like that. At what point does one become a gaming veteran?

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frostface
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 7:33:06 PM

Just give me back the Atari 2600 and ya can keep sonic and mario :)

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maxpontiac
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 11:52:30 AM
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It's hard to avoid console "X" versus console "Y" when every website and nearly every developer/publishers continue to add fuel to the fire...even when someone comments against it.

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LittleBigMidget
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 11:56:26 AM
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Speaking of Flame wars, I just went to IGN for the Bioshock review, and someone commented, "This review is an example of the PS3 holding back the 360". LMAO!!!

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CaptRon
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 12:04:04 PM
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Truth is I don't care what 2k has to say, they haven't good game ever in my opinion. And another truth the good games are on ps3, so that's why I like the ps3 over the 360, plus the 360 is an engineering nightmare.

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coverton341
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 12:13:40 PM
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Odd, I just enjoy games and gaming without consideration to what platform a game is on if it is a good game, hence right now I am playing White Knight Chronicles and having a great time and I am also playing through an epic little bit of space adventuring called Mass Effect 2 and having an equally great time with that. Both are very good games and both are exclusive in the console realm, yeah I know ME2 is on PC. But the point is no matter what console a game falls on if it is good and you are a gamer then you should suck it up and give credit where credit is due. Certain gamers have certain tastes and that is fine but when I see someone blast a game on one console and then dump praise on a clone of that game that happens to be on their console all I can think is "Idiot" regardless of which console it is on.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 12:22:08 PM

One would THINK more people would have this frame of mind. God knows I do.

I've always wondered why people would voluntarily miss the best stuff out there for the most ridiculous reasons on earth. We're GAMERS.

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coverton341
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 12:26:49 PM

Well, I think it comes down to a matter of pride in most cases, people make a choice and consequences be damned whatever they chose is correct. I have seen this mentality in all types of situations and in certain situations it comes to more violent behaviour than internet name calling i.e. sporting events in Oakland... But in all seriousness no one wants to think they made a poor decision so they find any excuse to defend it while tearing down anything that may lend to the fact that they may have been wrong.

Or maybe people are just jerks and I take way too many psychology classes for my own good.

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Feregrin
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 2:59:50 PM

Don't forget that not everyone has the money to buy everything they set their eyes on. When you're forced to choose one console over the other you'll probably end up more "defensive" towards the games exclusive on that console.

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bigrailer19
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 4:15:06 PM

Deregrin makes a good point though. I can kind of relate to what he is saying. As I posted below I've aways owned Sony's platforms. I'm by no means a fan boy and would love to play some of the games the 360 offers.

But for my instance, all the multi plats I bought would be for the PS3, and the amount and success of Sony' exclusive titles are more than enough. Why would I spend up to $400 on another console for a few games? Those games are great no doubt, Gears, Lost Odyssey the Halo's, I mean the console has great games. But I have no ambition or funds to support another console. As a gamer I agree we should acknowledge a good game when its credit is deserved. But in my case Sony' machine and games support my hobby much more than I ever thought possible. Personally the 360 just ins't for me, It would sit on a shelf gathering dust and that to me is a waste of money that could go towards another PS3 exclusive. The PS3 does everything I want it to and more, and I have great games to play and ton more to look farward too.

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johnld
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 4:28:48 PM

dont even know how you're playing 2 games at the same time, and they're both rpgs too. Im playing through white knight right now and put off mag for later, im almost level 50 for mag. but i prefer playing one game at a time and really get into the story, in rpgs anyway. I found the first mass effect to be boring as hell but i may be convinced to pick up mass effect 2 once the price goes down. i still gotta get FFXIII, God of war series, and maybe Heavy rain in day 1.

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bigrailer19
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 7:58:05 PM

Johnld-

good to hear you like MAG. My roomates and I are trying to find more people to play with. If you're in Valor we'll have to play sometime!

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sonic1899
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 12:23:55 PM
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Alright, I know this is off topic [and isn't new to anyone] but why are there Xbox ads on a PlayStation site? I just noticed this. I kept hitting the refresh button, but a different version appears. I have nothing against the 360, maybe M$ but not the system, and this isn't an issue, but why doesn't this site advertise the site advertise PlayStation related materials?

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coverton341
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 12:37:00 PM

That's odd, all I get are adverts for travel because besides gaming I visit a large amount of travel sites because my job and personal life keep me on planes often. Maybe you are seeing them because you frequent a large amount of gaming sites.

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TheHighlander
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 12:41:48 PM

Generally the ads are served up independently from the site. So a site makes an ad deal with an advertiser, and the advertiser chooses what ads to pitch. This being a gaming site you see gaming oriented ads. More than likely you'll see ads tailored to you based on cookies placed on your PC by the advertiser than allow the advertiser to track your web use and target ads to you specifically. Of course even targeted like that, sometimes they still miss the mark...

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 2:44:58 PM

Pretty sure Highlander's right. :)

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www
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 12:30:59 PM
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Ok if you developers don't care about silly platform wars and fanboyism why do you accept paychecks from MS to keep things exclusive and increase the fanboy rage?

Just look at R* accepting $50 million to keep GTAIV DLC away from the PS3 owners, don't you THINK these are the little things that spark fanboy wars?!?!?!?.......PLEASE! I like Bioshock, I like 2K but Thomas or whatever your name be, you guys(devs)in a way have a hand in this.

I recall one dev coming out and saying something like GoW can't be done on PS3 bla bla bla, maybe you Thomas don't care but a lot of your people do.

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Jawknee
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 2:04:38 PM

I don't remember console wars being this bad. No one i talked with or played games with cared about what system we had. Some of my friends played Sega and I was loyal to Nintendo. No fighting just fun.

MS certainly has fueled this nerd rage by pulling crap like "timed exclusivity" with content that was probably cut from the original due to the DVD9s limits anyways. They have done no good this gen.

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www
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 3:31:28 PM

You got that right, there's no doubt MS have ruined this gen with money!

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Alienange
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 3:37:34 PM

@ www - 100% agree. These self-proclaimed mouthpieces should take a look in the mirror before spewing this kind of garbage.

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Dancemachine55
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 10:45:06 PM

100% agree.

Ever since MS entered console gaming, it has gone from a friendly weekend versus match between rival consoles to all out war.

I miss the good ol' days of friendly matches. Nintendo vs Sony. N64 had Mario 64, Perfect Dark and GoldenEye, while Playstation had Final Fantasy VII and Metal Gear Solid. Both had respect and were fun.

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Shams
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 12:41:35 PM
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Before I got a 360, I was very curious about Bioshock. After it came out for the ps3, or when I finally got a 360 (which ever came first), there were too many games out, and I just didn't care that much, anymore.

Am I fanboy? Possibly. Does confirmation bias occur in my gaming? Not as much as it does for others, because, I'll be the first to admit when a multiplatform effort, or a 3rd-party title comes pretty close to a ps3 exclusive in terms of quality.

Fanboyism is even growing stale in the 360 camp. Where as Bayonetta may serve as fodder for the said confirmation bias, games like Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 that show what is possible on the ps3, and what is yet to be accomplished on the 360, if it all possible, can only be ignored by the most rabid zealot.

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donfelipe
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 12:41:49 PM
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".....adolescent hostility and posturing will hopefully start to wane as the average age of a gamer continues to rise."

I would add as the average INCOME of a gamer continues to rise. Yeah I am old, with good job and I own all 3 consoles. They all have good games and bad games, they all have strengths and weaknesses, that's life.

While I prefer the PS3 I don't see that as a reason to bash the other 2. Instead of focusing on the hardware, I think the more relevant debate would be the online services.

Nintendo's sucks, Xbox is easiest use though I refuse to pay for the privilege and I find the PSN store harder to use than it should be.

discuss......

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coverton341
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 1:18:47 PM

I agree on every point you made except one; Nintendo has online? I kid, I kid.

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Sweedie
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 1:01:08 PM
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I'm also kind of sick of the fanboy flaming... I can see reasons why one would like to own a 360, for me it's not worth it since I don't see many games on the console that I'll enjoy. And that, plus the fact of the failure rates of the 360, makes it a no buy for me. I own the original xbox, I had a lot of fun playing on it when it was in style, but I had a lot more fun playing on my PS2, so the PS3 was the natural choice for me when it was time to upgrade to the next generation. But taste varies from person to person, it's the same with everything, so why fight over which person's choice is the more correct one? It's just silly to me.

By the way, there is an excellent comparison between the two consoles made by Technobuffalo, it's a very in-depth look of how the two compare to each other. You might be surprised over how close the race actually is. I'll post a link to it in a reply to this post if anyone is interested.

Last edited by Sweedie on 2/8/2010 1:06:19 PM

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Sweedie
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 1:05:46 PM

The comparison starts here:

http://www.technobuffalo.com.lg1x1z.simplecdn.net/blog/uncategorized/console-wars-xbox-360-vs-playstation-3

It's actually going on right now, not everything has been compared yet, but there are 8 rounds up so far. Every round is VERY detailed and well explained, definitely worth a look for the interested.

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archs13
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 1:11:15 PM
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seriously, i think gamers should just unite for the sake of hot girl gamer recruiting association or whatever Ben called it in his article in the past. you know, try to take on the society by debunking some "gamer stereotypes"?

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mike rlz
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 1:14:21 PM
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Hitch
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 11:01:01 PM

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BikerSaint
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 1:21:56 PM
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Yes, I'm a humungous fanboy, but at 57, I'm only a fanboy of "gaming" itself!
I'm a gamer 1st, so I'll play whatever game I like on whatever console it happens to be for.

And while I DO prefer my PS3 as the console of choice, every console has some good point's & a few bad points.

Now, as for hate, since I have 18 systems & handhelds, I don't hate for any gaming unit.
BUT......although I own a 250GB 360 & most of it's greatest exclusives, I DO HATE it's parent company who want's to rule the world by ruining gaming on everyone else's consoles.

Yes, I'm giving you middle finger, MICROSOFT!

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Dancemachine55
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 10:52:12 PM

Bravo. I shall salute Microsoft with one finger too.

I too have a 360, a Wii and a PS3. The PS3 gets the most play time, of course. But I do have a lot of respect for Wii and 360, along with the fantastic exclusives all have achieved.

As for fanboys, they sicken me. I prefer PS3, but I'm not a fanboy because I like all the consoles. I only get up on my high horse and argue myself blue in the face when a Halo or MS fan bashes the PS3 for unfounded and incredibly stupid reasons.

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Fane1024
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 @ 1:15:23 AM

I hate M$ and believe it's a threat to the industry, but I've never allowed that hatred to color my opinion of games, even M$'s first-party games (all three of them ;P ). I don't see the point in slagging on Bioshock or Gears or ME just because I couldn't play them. Good games are good games.

I will provide anti-hype (re. Halo or Forza), but I'll also counter statements which over-state the technical superiority of the PS3 or the supposed DVD gimp effect (which fanboys try to use to explain any shortcoming).

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convergecrew
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 1:25:26 PM
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I don't think that there's anything wrong with fanboyism. It's a sign of healthy competition, brand loyalty, and pride in your choices. It exists in all walks of recreation, from cars, sports teams and coffee.

The main problem lies in how it's dealt in this industry, simply because it seems to permeate every aspect of gaming websites and discussion. It's too hard to get away from, even if you're just trying to have a decent discussion about something. Chalk it up to the Age level or gender of the user or whatever. It's always going to exist as long as game are being made for the teenage male audience. .

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Sweedie
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 1:41:19 PM

I really don't see how it's healthy to compete about _everything_. "My car is better than your car" is the grown up equivalent of "My dad is stronger than your dad", it's just sillyness. And coffee, that's even more silly.
Of course people want the product they bought to be good, but why can't it be good enough for you? Why does it have to be better than someone else's product? Seems like self-esteem issues to me more than anything else (not talking about you now, just talking in general).

Sports teams are different because they are actually competing against each other in a competition, and they are also representing something bigger than just a brand, unlike coffee (unless you count the "competition" of selling the most coffee, which is not the same thing).

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coverton341
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 2:27:58 PM

Great points Sweedie especially about the self esteem issues and having your own decision be good enough for yourself. That as I stated before in different words is the way I think these problems present themselves. It generally seems that "fanboys" in general can't be content with what they have and leave it at that. It would seem that they have to fight and belittle anything and everything else to solidify their purchasing decisions in their own mind, and it comes from both sides of the "console war" and works its way into every aspect of the community and that in no way is healthy for competition or industry growth. It just lends to the notion that gamers are immature children and there aren't any adults that play games therefore games like Heavy Rain and more adult oriented games shouldn't exist.

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Sweedie
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 6:27:39 PM

Thanks coverton, and I completely agree, if anything, the fanboyism is hurting the industry, it's making it seem childish and very immature. The "public notion" is still that games are for kids, and maybe if we started proving the opposite, that opinion would change and more mature and complete gaming experiences (such as UC2, Heavy Rain, The Last Guardian, etc.) could reach the masses, instead of shoot, shoot-kill, kill games like MW2 and Halo (which can be fun too, but comparing the experience of MW2 with the experience of UC2 isn't really appropriate).

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Bugzbunny109
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 1:40:08 PM
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Lol! They don't care about the thing that fuels the constant purchases of systems, on which their games are on. That's classic!

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Jawknee
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 1:58:50 PM
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I don't care about any vendetta. id continue owning an Xbox if it wasn't such a piece of crap that had to be replaced every few months and if there was some games actually worth playing that didn't involve Space Marines shooting and having sex with aliens.

I want the best possible games with the widest variety and Sony's machine is the only console that can achieve that certain level of greatness as proven with exclusives that out do Xbox exclusives any day. Its not about who has the best console(i.e. my junk is bigger then your junk) its about a certain level of quality. We're not getting that best with most multiplatform games. Certainly not the best for our $60 and the reason is because of the inferior hardware games and devs are limited by.

The Xbox is like the Special Needs kid in the class. Everyone has to learn at his/her pace no matter how boring or slow it will be. In sum, i paid for the best console on the market, and if developers like 2K want my money, they need to stop limiting themselves with shoddy hardware and start making some REAL games for the PS3. Until then, ill pick up multiplats in the bargain bin or used.

Last edited by Jawknee on 2/8/2010 2:00:58 PM

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WolfCrimson
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 2:44:22 PM

*gasp* But.. but.. what about Dragon Age?!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 2:45:55 PM

In some respects, I absolutely agree, but I'll keep my 360.

At the same time, I just had to laugh at the Special Needs analogy. Good one. :)

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Jawknee
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 4:34:13 PM

Couldn't handle it anymore. There just aren't enough good games on the Xbox to justify the head ache of sending it back to MS every few months. Haven't cared for Halo since the 1st one and don't care for Gears or get the hype around Mass Effect. They are just another Unreal game IMO. The PS3 has more then enough games to keep be busy.

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bridgera
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 2:29:50 PM
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Developers such as Valve care about the "Silly Platfrom Wars"..... now why they do is beyond me.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 2:45:15 PM

THAT, I can't really explain.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 2:47:43 PM
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Good comments, peeps.

I've always said we've got a really special community here...PlayStation fans, yes, but we've never allowed bashing or flaming other consoles and you know what? We usually don't have to worry about it. :)

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Hitch
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 11:06:21 PM

Didn't jawknee just bash the 360?

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___________
Tuesday, February 09, 2010 @ 1:45:17 AM

whats new?

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Jawknee
Tuesday, February 09, 2010 @ 12:14:22 PM

Not "bashing", constructive criticism.

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SvenMD
Tuesday, February 09, 2010 @ 1:26:12 PM

Yeah, but Jawknee owns a 360 - so he is just giving feedback on a purchase.

Now if I started saying those things, it would be bashing, 'cause I don't own a 360...and I would just be another ps3 fanboy bashing the 360.

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XxNoir
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 3:25:24 PM
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"ZOMG UNCHARTED 2 PWNS EVERY GAME ON THE FAIL-BOX-3-FIX-ME! TREY 4 LIFE!"

Lol totally kidding guys.I agree,it is immature and pointless,plus also shows the lack of social life and nutrition you have in your bones from obviously having nothing better to then to stay home and tell people "My console/game/shoe is better than yours".

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bigrailer19
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 3:37:05 PM
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The whole fanboy thing is rediculous to me. Whats the point in arguing. I only post comments on one site and thats here although I visit other sites, most are arguing the console war within the first post. The reason I come and post here is 90% of the time its civilized.

I have always owned Sony's platform(s). I've owned others, the nes, SNES, the 64, and the original xbox, wii etc.. (although the xbox it was really my friends, he just kept it at my house to avoid his parents finding it, lol) and I always end up with Sony's platform. The expansive library of games, the quality first party devs. and or course the technology and support they offer. I held off getting the 360 because I knew I'd end up with the PS3. I knew that all the multiplat games I bought would be on the PS3 and I knew eventually, Sony's exclusive line-up would be absolutely amazing. So you see I have nothing against the 360, maybe that it fails often but nothing else. I just have no reason to purchase it accept maybe the handful of good exclusives for it. But even then that doesnt justify my purchase because Sony once again has a melee of games coming out and I'd much rather put my money there. Sure I'd love to play the Gears of War series, and Fable 2, and even Lost Odyssey to name a few. But I know where I'd rather spend my money. And honestly there just isn't any room in my entertainment center for another console! ;)

Honestly all the fan boy stuff just seems childish and seems to relate to self-esteem issues. Everyone always has to have the best regardless if millions of others disagree. I will defend the PS3 but I will never blatantly tell someone the 360 isn't worth there time. That brings me back to why I come to this site. Regardless the fact that its a PS site, most of us understand how to discuss things, without it getting out of hand. I can come here and avoid "the PS3 sucks", or "the 360 sucks", or for the most part "this game is better than that game" because its discussed, even if there is a difference of opinion.

Last edited by bigrailer19 on 2/8/2010 3:43:03 PM

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Dancemachine55
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 10:59:29 PM

I used to have a big problem with 360 and it's horrendous fail-rate.

Now, the problem seems to have been fixed, except with preowned 360's from before 2007. My 360 has lasted me 9 months so far, a 2008 60GB model, and will hopefully last me longer than most unfortunate 360 owners. (Knock on wood).

Basically, hated the 360 before, but appreciate it now. Just a shame they still think they don't need blu-ray when games these days are clearly getting bigger and bigger.

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Alienange
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 3:44:34 PM
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Is this Jordan fellow out of his mind? He's pointing the fanboy blame straight at his customers!

They're the ones who decided to give Bioshock to only one console. That in itself caused boards to light up with fanboy rage and gloating. Now he thinks he can turn around and tell them all that they're "unreasonable" and "ignoring data?"

Gimme a break. Jordan sounds a lot like an xbot whose been bi*** slapped by the latest PS3 surge and is trying to say "no no, we liked everyone from the start... you gotta believe me!"

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www
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 7:19:41 PM

"Gimme a break. Jordan sounds a lot like an xbot whose been bi*** slapped by the latest PS3 surge and is trying to say "no no, we liked everyone from the start... you gotta believe me!"

LOL

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Lotusflow3r
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 3:48:02 PM
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Yeah, the focus point is the games.......I'm glad i don't have to see them "PS3 outsells 360", "PS3 is console of the year @ ___", "This game is lead on PS3", "PS3 is more reliable", "PS3 is the overall better choice" articles here which are closely followed by some Xbox nod in the next article i.e. "Get DA:o on 360 even though, that will involve you dropping 200 on a new console for a barely noticeable difference...it's optional of course but, this is damage control!"......and i'm also glad i don't have to see "Xbox 3shitty" comments from people that, also, go unnoticed and PS3 name mocks get completely forbidden!

I'm just glad this site is grown up.

I also love how one man from 2k speaks as if he is ALL beings in this industry. Lovely stuff.

Anyway, must get back to naming my new home....im gonna go with either "Ye House", "Lord House" or...."The Cinnamons".

Am i too British?

It's all tongue in cheek as they say.

Last edited by Lotusflow3r on 2/8/2010 3:54:31 PM

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Lotusflow3r
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 3:58:12 PM

@Lotus_fanboy

:O

This is outRAGEgeous!

I can't see your tongue in cheek style! FANBOY!

You get a thumbs DOWN! Yeah, how do you like that!?

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Beamboom
Tuesday, February 09, 2010 @ 5:42:59 AM

Agreed!

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FullmetalX10
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 3:51:07 PM
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Lol @ XxNoir and nice avatar btw, KH ftw.

Anyways, I freely admit I am a Playstation fanboy, mostly because I grew up with em, had a playstation for as long as I can remember, though I might have a small case of amnesia now and then. Anyanyways, last generation I didn't mind xbox, one of my friends had one, and we went to his house with like a small group to all play HALO every now and then, good times, good times. But after shifting through time and replacing the #2 with a PS#3, becoming older, developing more aggresion and stubbornness for things I thought was right, say if I thought 1+1 was 3 you had to get a lot of things involved to get me think 1+1 was 2, not saying Playstation was the 1+1=3, since obviously Playstation is always the right choice, just sayin'
With that and my best friend also choosing Playstation, partialy because I pursued him to, and becoming more and more involved in the gaming industry, learning that the rivalry between tha ps3 n the box grew more and more, I faced a lot of discussions, always keeping with Playstation.
So if any box user tells me his is better, the fanboy in me just rises and does everything to prove himself right, even though it might not always be, most of the time it is though.

The point of this all, is saying, if you went with something for most of your life and the people you know best agree, it's hard to give in to any argument saying xbox has ANYthing better than Playstation. Again, just sayin'

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XxNoir
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 4:09:57 PM

Yeah Kingdom hearts is the defining game of my childhood[Actually its a tie between KH and pokemon blue].Hope KH3 comes out in 2055,right on time for my bionic pace maker,hopefully it doesn't fail from excitement when sora and kairi finally share that fudging poupu fruit.

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FullmetalX10
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 4:37:05 PM

Indeed, my first playstation 2 game, lotsa memories attached to that, re-played 1 n 2 a couple of months ago, they're still awesome, though they look a bit less pretty on my Sony Bravia than my old big case tv... and yeah pokemon blue was awesome, the only game series on something else than a Sony console I clocked lots and lots of hours with.
Now remembering all those times I wished I could share a paopu with Kairi(little youthful crush), nah jk, maybe...still rooting for ya Sora, come back quick, pretty plz.

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Scarecrow
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 4:20:49 PM
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2K's MLB series sucks...

As opposed to SCEA's exclusive MLB: The Show series

So 2K doesn't really value QUALITY
The just want fast money

2K MLB has sucked for over 5 years now. Was actually good back when Sega had it.

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Jawknee
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 5:35:02 PM

I cant think of any game by 2K that i have enjoyed. Im trying to get into Bioshock but it feels like im forcing myself. So far its another Xbox exclusive that was hyped beyond belief that went multiplatform and is turning out to be nothing but hype.

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bigrailer19
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 7:56:08 PM

Jawknee i feel the same way about bioshock.

I know a ton of people like it and i agree some aspects are great. But i feel like im forcing myself as well. When i look at it i have no ambition to put it in my ps3, i always opt for a dif. game, most recently MAG, that game has me hooked. But to the point Bioshock is no doubt very creative, and im sure excellent for a lot of others, but I'm having a hard time getting into it.

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Nlayer
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 5:24:13 PM
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As long as the game is good I don't really care about what system it comes out for. I've accepted the fact that Companies find the best possible ways to make money, even if that means releasing games multi-platform. If the game is good, I'll buy it. If the game is better on a certain system, I'll buy that version.

I never really understood why people would have system wars. If you enjoy the system, great. If you don't enjoy the system, cool. If you think everyone should like what you like, then your stupid. :\

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Jawknee
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 5:38:14 PM

Thats the problem, the games can always be better if they take advantage of the PS3 . But they dont. They use the Xbox as a foundation and PS3 owners get watered down ports. I agree that if the game is good then great. But the fact of the matter is, most PS3 owners bought the PS3 because they expect quality, instead were getting Xbox games.

As i said above, its not about who's console is better, that argument has already been won by Sony. Its about getting the biggest bang for your buck and some of us are tired of being asked to spend $60 for a game that was made on a console with last gen tech to play on our next gen console. Its bogus and has got to stop. Devs have gone from making games because they love it and love to see the best quality products in the fans hands to making a quick buck by making a game multi-platform and limiting their ambitions to the weakest link.

The Xbox!

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Brklynty1
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 5:26:39 PM
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The thing about me is that I find Fanboyism and the whole console war to have its positive and negatives. Take for instance GTA IV: originally supposed to be a timed PS3 exclusive or exclusive period, but take two said sony was procrastinating and thus M$ made the bid for a simu release. Now if R* were to make it on ps3 first, I'm sure we can all agree it would have been one hell of a game, even more than it already is. But as I believe it came on 1 disc for the 360, therefore not a lot of data was used(no more than 9gb) and I'm pretty sure with 50GB availible to them, we could have seen "New York" period, I mean 5 borroughs, upstate, buffalo, everything. So in some cases going multi-plat limits a games capabilities. Next subject: Devs spark Fanboyism. Perfect example, Platinum Games. WTF where you thinking handing the porting job to SEGA, the publisher? Thus the 360 version of Bayonetta was years beyond the PS3's(I still bought it though). Things like this make the "boys" point fingers and claim that you prefer such console over the other(Small fact: Bayonetta was orignally 360 exclusive.....). This is also the case with FFXIII. As we all know, it is said the PS3 version is superior, recharging the 360's side of the field with more ammo. You'd think such a demanding game would be equal right? Though the 360's limit maybe the reason, don't go out and say both versions will be equal then all of a sudden give the gamers a big middle finger upon release. Btw I forget whoever exec said SE wasn't using the PS3 full power to be "fair".......Right. Now making a game an exclusive is great because usually more marketing is used on it. Kudos to M$, they really know how to do it. But then again going multi-plat increases the games fanbase. But then again it does get annoying when a company pays for exclusive items(GTA episodes mostly on this) and then the other platforms gets it later, in such cases some gamers of that console are no longer interested in it. For those that actually believe developers use that money to make the other version better, be for real. That version is right there on the computer waiting for the save button to be clicked, all they do is toss in a little more stuff and call it a day. That cash is for their next IP or sequel. I'll admit, I am a Sony fanboy but that's because I was always interested in the PS series and never gave the others a try. I can care less which game goes where or when its coming to where or if, I just move on. I cheared when ffxiii was announced for 360 that way my bro can get his own and not beg for my ps3 dammit! You guys say developers add the fuel by signing exclusives, they see it as more money to build the games you like. Though I'll admit there are som devs and pubs that favor(Valve,Activision...), if they are gonna favor, give a solid reason. Hell I'll take, "Because we wanted" to over "its not capable" or "it cost to much"....BS. Final verdict: Fanboyism and the console war will die when games does. And that's never.

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Brklynty1
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 5:31:05 PM
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I apologize for the tri-post my connection went dead for a second and I clicked submit a couple times. I'm via mobile btw.

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Alienange
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 6:32:09 PM

But do you apologize for the no paragraphs?

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Snaaaake
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 6:45:33 PM
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One would become a 360 fanboy was because he/she can't afford a PS3(yea right at this moment who can't?)

But I certainly don't get why one would become a PS3 fanboy as there is nothing to be jealous of.

I seen a lot of flame wars and it's always and I mean 97% of the time 360 fanboys that started it.

But was there any fanboys war back in the 6th gen? If there wasn't then that means 360 fanboys are only barking because the 360 is in front of the PS3.

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DemonNeno
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 7:00:54 PM

Uhm... Not everyone is interested in an PS3. Thinking they are is sort of fanboyism in my book. Every system is unique.

Fanboyism has been around since the dawn of gaming. Before consoles were mainstream, people would rant about how much better a frickin' pinball game was compared to the other.

Finally, just because someone from a company that may have done something before for profit doesn't make them untrustworthy. If that's the case, every PS3 owner should hate Toeshicoa or whatever that dudes' name is in charge of GT5 along with Sony themselves.

If everyone claimed their console was par to the next, there wouldn't be much to brag about. Let us face the fact that, unfortunately, some people like to brag and this is their best shot at doing just that.

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NoSmokingBandit
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 7:05:59 PM
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I dislike the 360 quite a bit, but i'd like to think i have legitimate reasons to do so. The 360 has proprietary (and expensive!) addons/peripherals, XBL is the only online gaming hub to cost money ever (outside of MMOs) and imo isnt worth it, the hardware is severely lacking (no wifi built in is just embarrassing. even my ds has wifi), and it's build quality is just atrocious.
Theres several games i'd like to play that i probably wont because i dont have a 360 (Fable II (even though people say its not so great), Halo 3 (mainly to finish the series), and Forza to name a few), but i'll just deal with it. Even if i could afford a 360 its just not worth spending a ton of money only to play a handful (3) of games.

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SirLoin of Beef
Tuesday, February 09, 2010 @ 11:41:01 AM

What you've listed is why, if MS doesn't change their philosophy when the 720 or whatever they call their next machine comes out, I won't get one.

For a while, the lack of wireless wasn't an issue as my 360 was close to the router so I could plug it in with no issues. It limited where I could put it but it wasn't that big of a deal. Then when I moved my entertainment stuff to a different room, I had to buy the wireless adapter for it. Not so for my PS3 and its built-in wireless.

Since my 360 was a launch model, I didn't have HDMI (which still boggles the mind) though, at the time, I was still running on an SD television. When I got my LCD, I had to use the VGA plug as I couldn't take advantage of the TV's HDMI inputs.

The use of the regular optical drive is peculiar, too, given the Blu Ray's substantial storage advantage.

I've loved playing games on my 360, even with all that stuff, but MS's practices have never sat well with me. Nickel and dimeing consumers stinks and that's what they do.

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Fane1024
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 @ 1:29:34 AM

SirLoin,

Launch 360s didn't have HDMI because (retail) HDMI didn't exist in 2005. Ditto Blu-ray. The PS3 was that cutting-edge.

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Brklynty1
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 9:09:36 PM
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Yes I do apologize for no paragraphs.......(Sure let's not give the only guy doing this via mobile phone a break.) Anyways when I tell people that I am a Sony fanboy they already jump to the conclusion that I don't even know what I'm saying of 360 is better and that I should own one, and the games are better. So I tell them this.

1. I am a Sony fanboy based on me mostly using Playstation every generation and am satisfied with the service and products they have given me. Not because I believe its superior. Though I do believe it is.

2. Why should I buy an Xbox 360? Microsoft has yet to give me a legit reason on why I should buy one. Games? 90% of them are cross platform. Exclusives? We all know whose the giant in that case. Price? I was tempted when the PS3's $600 dog tag was announced, still a no go. Capabilities? I'm sorry but the only thing I see the 360 is capable of is eating my pockets in an exchange for nothing. Plagued with RROD, E73 error(or whatever code it is), the console scratches the disc?.......

People say the Live service is the main reason. Well let's see why. Twitter. Last I check this is 2010. Mostly everyone has a smarthphone. I can twitter from there thank you. Its faster and easier. Facebook. Same as the twitter case. Last Fm, Netflix, etc. The PS3 has a built in web browser that allows you to use twitter, facebook, not sure about last fm, and recently Netflix via the disk and an actual XMB app in the fall. So that's still not a good enough reason. Not to mention additional $50 price tag. They say its better than the free PSN. Maybe, but I wouldn't say its superior, better is suitable.

The games. If the title doesn't include Halo, Gears, or Fable, then I see no point of getting a 360 for that game. Halo IMHO is an abused, overused franchise that gets another installment when Xbox games sales start to decrease or when Sony is dropping another exclusive atomic. Its a great game, don't get me wrong, but within every installment I only see minimal improvements. They mostly go towards the multiplayer which I still find the same in every installment. Gears of War almost made me get it I'll admit that. The first game I seen that didn't have a map icon showing you where the other team is, making you search and use cover properly. But my friend had it so I played his mostly. Fable,......well I hear its good. Other than those, I believe PS3 has an equal to all other 360 exclusive.

The accessories are another thing. As someone else mentioned, why should I pay $100 for a wifi adapter? $25 for a play and charge kit, batteries if I don't get the kit, a hard drive if I go with the cheap model, a HD DVD add on(no longer the case) and other when the PS3 gives you what you need out the box. A console with built in wifi, the best blu-ray player, a hard drive, a controller with a built in battery and a usb cable to charge it.

Overall like I said before, microsoft has given me no good enough reason to get the 360. The same could be said about the PS3 by others. This is just me saying my reason, not a bash. *puts up flame shield for safety precautions

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Fane1024
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 @ 1:36:11 AM

E73 (?) = RROD

M$ just changed the firmware to report the error differently. There's a reason why the former appeared right after M$ claimed to have fixed the latter.

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Gamer Girl Gemo
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 10:13:05 PM
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The whole "console war" thing is like the gamers' politics. Either you're Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo. The consoles being the groups to choose, and the games, their candidates. Haha it definately seems that way... And again with the "fanboys" saying? I'm offended! There's hardcore gamer girls out there too that like to participate in the little "console war". The only reason I'm more of a fanGIRL to Sony, is because Playstation was my very first gaming console (Besides Sega).
I used to get into big debates over which console is better and yatta but yeah, I agree, it is getting a little old... Why not just peace and love for all? Although, it's hard to abandon the old ways when there's still those around us just bashing certain consoles... (Sigh)
I'm pretty sure we'll look back on this and laugh one day. Today's my day for it. Ha. Ha.

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Robochic
Monday, February 08, 2010 @ 11:58:57 PM
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"console wars" drives me insane, I'm a gamer first I'll play any game on either PS3 or Nintendo or any handheld. I may not like the 360 and it's mostly due to realiability and how I was treated and how others were treated that disgusted me, but I will say their are a few games I have seen on the 360 that looks good but I'll stick with my PS3 and Nintendo Wii never had an issue with these two companies even when calling in.

My friends still bug me for having a PS3 they are true "fanboys" it drives me insane but I just have a good laugh when they tell me their 360 is going back for repairs while I still haev my launched ps3 thats going strong.

I believe it's not the consoles that make the game it's the devs and how they put their life into a game so that gamers can enjoy it, the consoles just there so we have something to play it on.

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, February 09, 2010 @ 10:17:29 AM

Agreed.

When I had my 360, I went through 5 of them and MS didn't even care.

That was until I cancelled both my Live subscriptions that is.

Several of my friends have both systems, and they continue to try to get me to buy another 360.

Sorry.. but it will not happen.

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SILVERAMMO
Tuesday, February 09, 2010 @ 1:18:32 AM
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i used to be a fanboy but i stopped. after seeing so many ignorant fanboy comments it changed me

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dveisalive
Tuesday, February 09, 2010 @ 1:35:53 AM
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xD silverammo you have been scared for life lol. Anyways i dont like Microsoft for Consoles but just for PC. Sony are brilliant pioneers who came from The Big N because the Big N wouldn't let Sony add the soon to be PS1 on the SNES etc.... Anyways
I find it funny that PS3 and 360 go at it. It's just USA v JAP etc.... but in the end SONY RULES. Sony always make great stuff. If Sony were to make an OS it would never have the blue screen of death!

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___________
Tuesday, February 09, 2010 @ 1:53:16 AM
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gotta admit though it is kinda funny.

developers love contradicting themselves.
i just read a article saying they cut content to make sure they dont have a repeat of bioshock on the PS3, and that they wanted the games to be identical so in a seance they screwed over the PC fans.
they compromised the game by making it for consoles not for PC so in a seance their giving into the console wars.
thats what really irks me with developers these days, back in the day games were made for the PC THAN! for consoles that way the PC games were not held back by inferior hardware.
now its the other way around, i did not spend 4K building my PC so i can play freaking crysis for the rest of its life.

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telly
Tuesday, February 09, 2010 @ 9:41:21 AM
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That psych degree comes in handy after all, eh Ben? ;)

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Minishmaru
Tuesday, February 09, 2010 @ 2:15:04 PM
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May the system with the best games WIN! Lol

Seriously all I care about is great games just like the good old days.

Unfortunately my collection of games for the PS3/PSP each system alone outnumber my 360 games...and for good reason. There just arent that many games I want for the 360, most of them are just games I bought cuz I knew more of my 360 friends would get it so we can multiplay it up! (Modern Warfare 2 for example)

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