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Square-Enix On Final Fantasy XIII DLC, Deleted Content

Final Fantasy XIII continues to be in the news with almost every passing day, and you can certainly expect more of that until the hotly anticipated RPG releases on March 9. It ain't that far off.

This time, the game's producer (Yoshinori Kitase) and director (Motomu Toriyama) sat down to have a chat with the European PlayStation Blog, where they addressed several ongoing topics of discussion in the gaming community. The first is the question of downloadable content; at first, Square-Enix said there wouldn't be any, and then, we heard rumors that DLC was definitely in the works. Well, as for the PS3 version, Kitase and Toriyama said they "felt that the final product is 100% enjoyable" and hence, they're "not planning any DLC at this time." So that takes care of that. Then there's the question of all that content the team apparently removed from earlier builds from the game; rumors abound as to exactly what was removed and why but Square-Enix says the reason isn't anywhere near as sinister as you might believe. Said the pair:

"In regard to the rumoured cut content, we feel it was taken out of context. There are a lot of ideas that are brought to the table, and then the team takes the best ideas out of those, and the final product is polished that way. There was content that were 'ideas' that didn't make the final content, but the team isn't looking to release that as downloadable content."

Obviously, with a project like FFXIII, there will be a gigantic horde of ideas tossed onto the table, which in turn must eventually result in a large chunk of ideas getting thrown away. But they say they didn't take the content out for any other reason, and they certainly didn't take it out to release later as DLC. The latter is a good point because gamers have often complained about developers leaving out certain content, simply so they could charge a little extra for it later on. As for the removed stuff, you'll just have to get past that and hope FFXIII turns out to be the masterpiece it could be.

Related Game(s): Final Fantasy XIII

2/15/2010 10:36:58 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (118 posts)

WolfCrimson
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 10:57:34 AM
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Yeah, and I bet one of those "ideas" was towns. Not getting this game, unless PSXE's review tell me otherwise. Which leads me to a question for Ben: Will you guys get a review copy before release dates? Or will you have to wait along with everybody else?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 11:02:35 AM

Not sure yet.

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godsman
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 12:36:28 PM

Yea Ben, do you think you'll be comparing both Xbox 360 and PS3 versions? Many gamers from other websites are waiting for such comparison. I was thinking if anyone should be doing it without biase, it would be Ben.

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Nynja
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 3:26:22 PM

@godsman;

That is an immense amount of work that I can't see Ben even wanting to do. Not because of the work and time involved, but because of the principle. Besides, there will be plenty of journalists out there who will do all that work for him. Would I like to hear his opinion? Sure, why not.

In my opinion just purchase the version of the console you own. If you own both consoles, go with controller preference. If you like both controllers, it then comes down to Trophies vs Achievements. If you don't care about any of that and just want to play the game - base it off of price and availability.

If you are a graphics whore (like me sometimes) or audiophile, then you'll want the PS3 version for the uncompressed audio and video.

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Naztycuts
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 3:51:11 PM

Well, as for the PS3 version, Kitase and Toriyama said they "felt that the final product is 100% enjoyable" and hence, they're "not planning any DLC at this time."

So both versions are equal according to them, but I'm more concerned that they didn't say "no dlc for either consoles" Smells like a setup for timed exclusivity... I hope not though, surely they have SOME integrity left at Square-Enix.

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 9:26:09 PM

If Ben or Arnold gave this game a 0 I'd still be there on Day1 to pick up my Collectors Edition.

Don't be a sheep, if you've loved FF in the past I see no reason to change your mind now especially with there being such a lack of decent JRPGs.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 9:42:27 PM

I doubt we'll do a PS3/360 comparison. We did it with Bayonetta but let's face it, there's less to analyze with that one.

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Nynja
Tuesday, February 16, 2010 @ 10:43:17 AM

Found an article that has some minor differences between the PS3 and 360 version. You might want to read it.

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/2526/ffxiii-significantly-poorer-on-xbox

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Nynja
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 11:03:04 AM
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The lack of towns did come as a shock to me. Sure it's convenient to not have to travel around a virtual town just to buy/sell items. But having to buy items from the menu at any time? That kind of pulls you away from the experience, I would think.

I remember long time ago, SE said they believe gamers just don't have the time they used to have when it comes to playing games. They have been trying to segment out the gameplay to 30 minute to 1 hour missions (see FFX-2). I hope they did not do the same crap in FFXIII.

What's happened to Square-Enix? Did their balls drop off?

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bridgera
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 12:05:01 PM

Well I guess in fairness, it is kind of a pain in the *ss to want to sit down for an hour to play the game, and then have to keep on going for another 2 hours on top of that to hit a checkpoint so that you can come back later.

... but that kind of problem is usually solved by throwing in a save point every 30 to 60 minutes, not sure why they need to make 1 hour missions.

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WolfCrimson
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 12:52:58 PM

Don't have the time? Back then we used to MAKE time for games, so what changed now?

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bridgera
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 5:04:24 PM

You mean why do I not want to unexpectedly commit an extra couple of hours so that I don't loose all my progress?

What has changed is I got a driver's license, college degree, job, wife, and kids.

16 years ago, I didn't have all of these things, if I wasted my day playing video games, it really didn't affect anyone but me, now it affects a whole lot more than myself.

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rezenu
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 5:12:24 PM

It was a shock to me as well. FF games have always been known for the towns and sidequests. Idk but Square Enix has basically lost their minds right now.

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WolfCrimson
Tuesday, February 16, 2010 @ 2:20:25 AM

@bridgera: oh yeah forgot about those :P

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Nynja
Tuesday, February 16, 2010 @ 3:09:43 PM

@bridgera;

I think there are better solutions to 'time issues' than the approach that SE is using now... Such as; save anywhere, anytime.

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RebelExtrm02
Thursday, February 18, 2010 @ 11:17:30 AM

I agree with Nynja. That's why I love gaming on my pc. The quick save button is sexy. There is no reason not to add quick save to games these days if the only other option is to castrate the gameplay.

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Fane1024
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 5:10:00 PM

The days of limited space on memory cards is gone; so too should be the days of save points.

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Bandit King
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 11:03:58 AM
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Still doesn't change the fact that this game is being marketed as a 360 exclusive over here. What do you think about that Ben? Also the cut content comment was made quite some time ago, and they had plenty of time to correct the statement, but didn't.


This game is turning out to be a PR nightmare, faked screens, linear game play, confusing marketing. I said it before and I will continue to this game should have stayed exclusive. If content was left out no one would have questioned why. Though because of the nonsense this gen with MS the first though on peoples mind is that it was because of the 360 port. Truth be told most of the bad press/word of mouth this game is getting would not have ever been brought up if not for the 360 port.

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mexgeo86
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 11:09:25 AM

add in that 360 FFXIII bundle that was recently announced.

I'm surprised that ps3 owners aren't getting any similar bundles. Japan got that Lightning edition ps3 slim last year.

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DizturbedPanthr
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 11:25:04 AM

I agree with u about it shoulve stayed exclusive to the PS but with all the money X-box is throwing around no wonder they had there lay offs Playstation is smarter

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Qubex
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 11:33:41 AM

"Still doesn't change the fact that this game is being marketed as a 360 exclusive over here."

This is a terrible truth, not even within adverts can this treachery be beaten... how can the media advertise this to be exclusive to the xBot, where is Sony in all of this?

Q!

"The Wizard left Oz"

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Qubex
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 11:04:40 AM
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The whole thing still smells of blue cheese to me.

FXIII has been dumbed down to suite the xBot... I feel strongly the Squared Enix does not deserve the support of PS3 owners if they continue down this tract... maybe Versus will redeem them, who knows!

Q!

"The Wizard left Oz"

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WolfCrimson
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 11:12:56 AM

"FFXIII has been dumbed down to suite the xBot" :
When I read this, the PS Blog's latest interview with the ppl at SE came to mind, and how they said that they drew some inspiration from the FPS genre.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/02/final-fantasy-xiii-your-questions-answered/

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SvenMD
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 1:37:37 PM

More like Limburger cheese....

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Alienange
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 1:44:35 PM

Hot wings and blue cheese ftw !

What were we talking about?

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Qubex
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 7:07:26 PM

Lol Wolfcrimson... the days are gone for RPG purity!

Q!

"The Wizard left Oz"

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Roach721
Tuesday, February 16, 2010 @ 1:46:25 AM

I am with you Q. Lack of exclusivity is why am not getting this.

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Qubex
Tuesday, February 16, 2010 @ 10:01:23 AM

Roach721.... sometimes you have to make a stand...

Q!

"The Wizard left Oz"

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FullmetalX10
Tuesday, February 16, 2010 @ 4:02:36 PM

*virtual b*tch slap*
to all the peepz who -1'ed
Q!

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piratedrunk
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 11:07:56 AM
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Honestly I feel this game is just being watched too carefully. Things like this are bound to be taken out of context when people are constantly looking for a reason to bash the game.

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Deleted User
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 11:22:09 AM

I agree. Just relax, guys. Just relax. The game will come out and it will be decent. You won't see it get a score of less than an 8 anywhere. Even with all the "negative" publicity flying around this game, it's still Final Fantasy. It is a polished franchise that will continue to make money until the end of time. People are freakin' out like this will be the worst game ever. Wait till the reviews come out, do your research, (rent the game!) and make your decision. Sheesh.

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Bandit King
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 11:27:37 AM

Agreed, and when the main reason they are looking is directly tied to the loss of exclusivity (thats why it should have stayed exclusive). Lets face it when this went multiplat it dropped down on the "anticipation meter" for many,and others got mad. Thus when something like that happens people start to digg and look for a reason why. In this case the 360 is the easy target. Thus ideas left on the cutting room floor were done so because of the 360. Things like "the 360's inferior hardware" or because "it would be too many DVDs" or "they cut it because they had to focus on the 360 port" start popping into people minds (not that 360 isn't holding gaming back, because it is). Honestly after thinking on this for a while I have come to realize that this game would likely have turned out just as it is, but no one would have questioned it because there would be no animosity over the betrayl many felt when MS bought their way in with this.

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Qubex
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 11:30:57 AM

Yes AudiaK... but FF got to this point because of the loyal support of its fans... so SE should really think about what they are doing.

Maybe FFXIII was a one off deal, maybe FF won't come to another xBot again in the future...

My issue is not that it should not be enjoyed by xBots, issue is that the xBot console has crimped the style of SE, probably made them think twice about the added features that could have been due to, primarily, space concerns; and because of these technical limitations, their vision was probably not fully realised.

If this is truly the case, that would be a great shame really...

Q!

"The Wizard left Oz"

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WolfCrimson
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 11:38:23 AM

AudiaK, I don't think you're being logical. We can't possibly KNOW if it's going to get a legitimate review score above 8 or below it. It's still Final Fantasy? Banking on only the name of the franchise, and not its actual merits, is not logical when judging if a game is good or not. What we do know, is that they have taken staple JRPG elements from the latest entry of the franchise that is THE no:1 name in JRPG history, and that there have been complaints and negativity from some reviews of the JPN version of FFXIII. Of course people are going to freak out. There haven't been any such similar events of such magnitude in the past with previous installments in the FF franchise.

edit- although I do agree with things being taken out of context.

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Shams
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 2:06:44 PM

I don't think anyone is implying that this game will be receiving below average or even average reviews.

People are upset because they stuck with Sony and opted for a ps3 for a certain number of anticipated exclusives. Exclusives that, like FF7 did for the ps1, pushed the standards in presentation, story, gameplay, and technology. I remember because FF7 was on 3 CDs (please correct me if it was on 2), it wouldn't have been feasible to make a cartridge version, say for the N64.

Well, now, since FF13 has gone multiplatform, to cover a larger global market, it's like we're getting a stripped down, "cartridge-based" (if you will) FF7, not the boundary-pushing, next gen sequel we were hoping on.

So has gaming, as we know it ended? Of course not. Sony still has many more (and even better) exclusives. But, if people can't hide their disappointment at what MS has done to the industry, I won't blame them.

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DizturbedPanthr
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 11:29:38 AM
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I love the FF series but im not going to rush right out 2 get this one there is alot more games I would like first like Heavy Rain and of course GOW III so 4 me ill wait till l8tr to get this title its not high on my want list since square went to the X-Box as well, I fell us playstation owners have been forgotten on who got them there in the first place it sure wasnt the DS or the game boy

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geovanwitdakick
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 11:40:03 AM
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The sad thing about it is, I did do my research, and Play UK gave the game a 79. I was looking forward to this game being my first RPG, but I guess FFvXIII will do.

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Jawknee
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 12:04:55 PM

funny thing is, most of the 3rd party exclusives that once belonged to Sony have all suffered in quality and over all review scores since going mutiplat. I found this list on an IGN forum. the guy has a point.

"EXAMPLES:

- Tekken was a respected fighting franchise when it was exclusive, Tekken 6 is multiplatform and the worst game thus far in he series. (79 metacritic)
- Tomb Raider was a highly regarded series when it was only on PlayStation. The newer games in the series are laughably terrible.
- WWE SmackDown was great when it was only on PS/PS2. SvR 2007 was multiplatform, and nowhere near as good as previous games. The series has slowly gotten worse from there.
- Crash Bandicoot and Spyro the Dragon... Well, they speak for themselves.
- Guitar Hero was exclusive to PS2, and Guitar Hero II was a timed exclusive. They have all been multiplatform since then, and haven't been able to match the quality or fun of the first two games.
- Medal of Honor was highly regarded when the series was PlayStation-exclusive, but it faded into obscurity when it went multiplatform. (The reboot may be able to save it, though.)
- So far, Final Fantasy XIII only has an 87 metacritic. The PS2 exclusives, Final Fantasy X and Final Fantasy XII, both got 92 on metacritic.

Sony exclusivity: The secret to success."

Now most of those other games i never really cared for but hes right about Tekken 6 and Final Fantasy XIII.

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bridgera
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 12:07:24 PM

IGN gave Heavenly Sword a 8.5 on graphics in 2007.

It gave Halo 3:ODST (which ran off of a 2007 Halo 3 graphics engine) a 9.0 on graphics.

If anything, ODST should have received a docked graphics score for running on an old engine.

That site is so 360 fanboy overridden, it's not even funny.

In reguards to guitar hero, that's turned into a crank out the sequels franchise, so I'm not surprised that receives lower scores.

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karneli lll
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 12:07:54 PM

You forgot to add GTA Jawknee!

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Jawknee
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 12:50:42 PM

@bridgera, the list i posted was not one IGN made. it was a list some guy on the forum made. his point was that last gen, when 3rd party games remained exclusive to Sony they received much better praise and were held to a higher standard. NOW they just mediocre multiplats and the reviews scores prove it. I wonder if Sony told the developers they needed to meet a certain standard in quality.

As for GTA IV, i cannot say, i never played the other games and gave up on GTA IV pretty quick. But i have heard it to be the weakest of the bunch.

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bridgera
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 4:59:35 PM

@Jawkee, sorry, I presumed that he was posting on IGN that some of the scores that he saw were IGN based.

I'm not sure I agree with that guy's point of loosing exclusivity resulting in lower quality games.

As for lower review scores, I think some games with their 100th sequel like Guitar Hero have had it coming. I personally hated FFXII, and it had nothing to do with console exclusivity.

I also don't think that a 9/10 score compared to a 10/10 score really means much in comparision. One man's 10 is another man's 8, so I don't put too much into review scores, unless they are insanely low.

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Shams
Tuesday, February 16, 2010 @ 8:51:50 PM

To Bridgera:

Although, there's no denying one man's "10" can be another man's "8", I think a critical review score of "10", or around that score, will be at the minimum an "8" for someone who isn't even a fan of the genre. No matter who you are, as long as you like games, you will like this one. It is a "must-buy".

Now realistically speaking, there will always be people who will find reasons to avoid anything. But, at least most critics, and people with open and fair minds, will agree on it, and although the sales numbers may not reflect the score to the tenth decimal place, the product will sell.

Now, a critical score of "8", may very well be a "6" (or a "ho-hum") to a lot of people, especially people who are not fans of the genre. But to fans of the genre, it would be a game that shouldn't be missed. With exception of certain franchises that have pretty much become synonymous with gaming to the casual gamer, like Madden, or Need For Speed, or dare I mention COD, games that hover around "8" give or take a half-point, or a bit more, will typically sell on order the of 100's of thousands as opposed to millions. I refer to these as "fan favorites" (not to be mistaken for "crowd pleasers"). But, as I mentioned, there are exceptions, just as there are critically acclaimed titles that are received with the best scores, but are destined to sell like 8'ers. Those games I refer to as "hidden gems". And, then there are "sleeper hits", games that somehow went under the radar, but were met with great scores, and eventual sales.

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bridgera
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 11:59:55 AM
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With FFXIII and FFXIII:Versus, and FFXIII:Agito.... um... why are people hoping for more DLC?

If you are that into the game, just go purchase the other 2 versions of that game when they come out. Sheesh people, how many FFXIII content do you need?

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karneli lll
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 12:06:22 PM

No one is hoping for more DLC; its the issue of cutting content to sell it back

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bridgera
Tuesday, February 16, 2010 @ 12:10:20 PM

I presumed that's what they did with Agito and Versus.

Cut FFXIII content to sell it in other versions of the game.

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Jawknee
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 12:01:26 PM
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Oh yea, ideas like Towns? What a concept for an RPG.

I don't believe what these people say anymore. Whats he supposed to say?

"err yea, we took out content because the DVD9 was too small and MS gave us the great idea to sell the cut content back to you later at inflated prices! kinda like what they do with their Software and Xbot Hard drives."

What ever, just release the damn game already so we can judge for ourselves.

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karneli lll
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 12:04:39 PM
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PR bull is what it is.

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LittleBigMidget
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 12:37:42 PM
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Still think FF13 is an exclusive but just a "Bonus" for 360 owners? I'd rather have them smear their own crap in a case than give us an incomplete game. Sqaure has just killed my childhood.

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Brklynty1
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 1:04:18 PM
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Why is everyone bashing the 360 version......without me?! Anyways I definately feel that because this game went multiplat that SE took out all those ideas. I mean let's do the math(no pun for wats coming) 1 DVD-9 holds 9GB, 3 should max at 27GB(28 since they do have a little extra space). I highly doubt that 3rd disk is maxed, meaning this game is only around 22-25GB. WTF? These a freakin blu-ray disk that holds 50GB(66GB after the recent upgrade). Because of this lackluster console, we're only getting half of what we should be getting. I can guarentee SE was going to max out the blu-ray till they saw that 30 million dollar check(idk wats the real amount).



Also I couldn't agree more with the person that said M$ is making it seem as if this game is an exclusive. For the first time in so many years a FF game that's on the PS isn't being marketed towards it. I mean c'mon, first a bundle, then the commercial that made my bro come and tell me "I thought it was for PS too. Did they cancel it?" I seriously closed my eyes and just told him, "No mike they didn't. They didn't." That just proves that the commercial makes it look like an exclusive game. But let's not forget the recent incident where a PS3 scan was used for the 360's scan. SE said they had no idea how that happen. I bet they said that while another check was in their face.



My guess is that Sony really doesn't care because they know M$ is trying to hard. Plus if SE doesn't BS around again, Versus could be the game us FF have been waiting for. That and Nomura said, since there is a cry for KHIII, he'll try to get it done as fast as possible(to him that's like 2 1/2 years XD). I hope SE learned their lesson. Should KH fall into M$ hands, I'm done. Seriously. KHIII should be the final game. SE knows it has to go out with a bang. A full dual layer blu-ray, 1080p, 7.1 surround, best CPU on a gaming console bang! As for M$, they should learn their lesson too. A FF just isn't ment for your paper weight console. Don't expect another FF. Especially not XIV, as we can see your not to kind to the MMO franchise. *DC Universe Online points and laughs at Champions Online*

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coverton341
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 1:24:53 PM

I thought they came out and said that FFXIV was going to be a timed console exclusive and it was eventually going to be on the 360.

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bigrailer19
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 2:28:55 PM

Coverton-

Thats my understanding as well. Even though at E3 last year, it was said to be a PS3 excluxive.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 2:45:38 PM

bear in mind that a good deal of that DVD9 is MS security (which is useless obviously)

And you bet your ass KH is going multiplat.

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bigrailer19
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 2:56:40 PM

Its a sad generation we are in...

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reryan
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 1:16:41 PM
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No offense guys but I'm getting really tired of reading comment after comment bashing SE and Final Fantasy 13. Everyone here, including myself, is very quick to point out when someone is being a 360 fanboy, on this or any other site. But the truth is, most of you decided to hate FF13 the instant you heard it was multiplat. Boo hoo, there are no towns. 13 is not going to be just like previous games in the series. Please stop crying about it.

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Jawknee
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 1:21:20 PM

Then don't read them. Simple as that.

Also, no one said they hated it. Your being disingenuous. The fact of the matter is there's a certain level of quality Sony fans and SE fans have come to expect. Its obvious that dedication to quality has gone out the window with it being released on an inferior machine. The game can only be as good as the weakest link and there is no denying its the Xbox.

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WolfCrimson
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 1:32:15 PM

"But the truth is, most of you decided to hate FF13 the instant you heard it was going multiplat" I'm sorry, but that is simply not true. A very few minority here at PSXE ever did that, most went "hmmm.... alright, but as long as it doesn't affect our version, we're fine. besides, more ppl get to play! woohoo!"

"Boohoo there are no towns. 13 is not going to be just like previous games in the series."?! Again 'm sorry, but you aren't thinking logically. It's the formula present in previous Final Fantasy games (awesome story + expansive world + amazing cast + depth) that made it amazing. That's what people loved about this series. Change that, and you are breaking something that doesn't need fixing. I sure as hell didn't fall in love with the Final Fantasy series just because the name sounded pretty. And about no towns, that's removing a very basic element of a game. To strike an analogy, it's like having an FPS with absolutely no enemies in the game. Or an FPS with absolutely no bullets in the game, just empty ammo-less guns.

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Highlander
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 1:37:21 PM

Disliking a game because it's multi-platform has nothing to do with bias to one platform or another. Multi-platform games make compromises for both platforms. Platform exclusives are always optimized for the platform, and maximize the features. FFXIII started life as a PS3 exclusive, and thanks to the efforts of MS is no longer an exclusive. It has demonstrably suffered from multi-platform status.

The removal of JRPG staples like towns, backtracking and non-player characters has nothing to do with the Xbox360 and is a far more significant reason to be troubled about the game than anything else.

The final straw for many PlayStation owners that have grown up with this series of games on the Playstation (1 & 2) is that despite this game having started life as a PS3 exclusive, it's now being marketed in the US as a 360 exclusive. Customers who have shown brand loyalty to Sony and Square Enix are being given the cold shoulder (to say the least) by Square Enix. Why are they being given the cold shoulder? Because MS use some sort of incentive (I'd guess money) to buy Square Enix's affiliation and get Square Enix to de-emphasize Sony and PlayStation to the point where people are questioning whether the game is even available on PS3.

Nice way to endear yourself here though, flame the community.

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Juanalf
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 1:40:26 PM

I getting sick and tired of seeing comments that bash comments that bash SE and Final Fantasy 13.See!! I can be pretty annoying too.

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blitz30952
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 1:49:22 PM

lol @ HeXeN

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Alienange
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 1:56:21 PM

I stopped liking FFXIII when I found out there were no hit points.

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WolfCrimson
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 2:01:30 PM

@alienange: No hitpoints? Are you sure? I think that is still there based on the vids I've seen.

@Highlander: Hold on a minute, I thought SE took out towns in FFXIII BECAUSE the medium used by the 360 is not sufficient and because MS pigeonholed SE to using 3 DVDs. If that's not it, then what's the reason?

edit- "multiplatform status" more like "multiplatformitis" lol

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Jawknee
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 2:02:30 PM

no hit points? wtf? is this even an RPG anymore?

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Alienange
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 2:22:48 PM

There ARE hit points, I was kinda referring to how you can't kill monsters without first 'breaking' them. Sorry for the obscurity there...

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Highlander
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 2:25:48 PM

@WolfCrimson

SE maintain that they removed the towns etc because they didn't really work with the overall design of the game. I don't think that the key factor in removing them was the size of the game on DVDs. I still don't trust that we won't see some of this stuff return in DLC form. However, I don't place the responsibility for the removal of content at the door of MS. That one is SEs bag to hold.

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reryan
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 4:27:13 PM

I don't need to be reminded about what was good about the many Final Fantasy games I have played, enjoyed, and even loved. My point was only that any time there is a news story about ff13 the vast majority of comments posted are about how the game will suck and how SE has broken our hearts and ruined the franchise. I believe that to be over-reacting.
And my intent was not to flame the community, it was to voice my dissent on a troubling issue within this community, a website that I have been reading for nigh-on ten years. If you read comments bashing the latest installment in your favorite game series (that hasn't even been released yet in North America or PAL territories, I might add), on your favorite gaming website, wouldn't you say something?

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bridgera
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 5:01:03 PM

"But the truth is, most of you decided to hate FF13 the instant you heard it was multiplat."

No, I've decided to lay some hate on FF13 ever since FF12.

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rezenu
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 5:16:39 PM

You know...you could just ignore them. You know what I'm sick of? I'm sick of Microsoft waving checks in developer's faces every time they want to make people feel guilty about owning a PS3. This game should have stayed exclusive because now it's going to be one huge controversy soon from now.

And on top of that, I'm not even surprised Microsoft is marketing this as an exclusive game. That's what they do with every multiplatform game. They've tried to crush competition for years, even before they joined the gaming industry.

It's pathetic either way.

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Dancemachine55
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 7:12:15 PM

Honestly, I don't think it was the announcement of it being on 360 as well that made us all mad. Sad, yes. But we were reassured that it would not affect the PS3 version, so we were fine with it.

It wasn't until comparison pictures and then confirmation of removed content that we here in the PSXextreme community started bashing it.

The argument IS NOT about it going multiplatform, but what changes have been made since going multiplatform. THAT IS THE TRUTH!!!

For those of you who keep telling us to stop bashing it, look at our comments. It is not just about the fact that 360 is getting it. If the 360 version of FFXIII were the same as the INTITIAL PS3 version when first built as an exclusive, then we would be singing our praise for the game.

INSTEAD, SE keeps coming out and telling us what changes have had to be made and shifting the blame to some other reason other than 360 multiplatform issues. One developer CLEARLY STATED that it was due to CAPACITY ISSUES that certain changes were made, and while we here at PSXextreme know that means because of the limited capacity on 360 discs, SE cannot state that because it would damage their relations with Microsoft.

So, again, it is not solely because of the multiplatform status that we bash SE and FFXIII, but because of what changes have been made since it was announced as multiplatform.

Personally, I'm looking forward to FF Versus XIII. Hopefully SE have learned their lesson from this multiplatform disaster and will keep it PS3 exclusive.

Oh, and I still have my preorder on FF XIII. While I am disappointed with the changes made, I still believe it will be an excellent game and well worth my time to play.

For now, I am enjoying FF VII and FF VIII on the Playstation Network. Even if XIII is worse, I still can rely on the classics.

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Jawknee
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 7:22:38 PM

Dancemachine is correct. i defended Squeenix until i started to see evidence of the game being altered because of its multiplatform status. its craptastic!

BLUE RAY MATTERS!

It greatly enhances movie watching, why wouldn't it do the same for gaming? This game went from being solely designed for the blue ray console to having to compromise for the an inferior format.

This should have stayed exclusive. Not because i get kicks out of Xboxers not being able to play it, but because this is not the Final Fantasy we were promised. its something else. MS dug their fingers in and mutated it into something unholy and wrong. ha!

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BikerSaint
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 8:59:13 PM

Yup, it's official!!!!!

Yoshinori Kitase & Motomu Toriyama have now aced all their courses at the obama training Academy for "spin-doctors".

All fluff, without substance!

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Highlander
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 9:53:53 PM

You are correct, I apologize for saying you were flaming the community.

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Fane1024
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 5:20:32 PM

I agree with reryan and Highlander; the majority of the community here seems to have decided with no proof that any perceived flaws in FFXIII are directly the cause of shoe-horning the game onto the 360. While that might be the case, I think they are more likely both results of the same cause, namely that S-E is (foolishly) courting a Western audience, which they see as Xbox-centric.

S-E have proven (with the exception of FFXII, which was awesome and anyone who disagrees can bite me) since the merger that they are entirely capable of screwing up without any outside help.

@ Jawknee

Watching movies on Blu-ray is superior because the Codecs used are superior to those used on DVDs. Blu-ray is just a storage medium, a bigger "box" than DVD. If you put a high-end 1080p video file on a DVD, it will look just as good as on Blu-ray, providing the player can handle that file. It will be short, though.

S-E could put the same game on multiple DVDs as on one Blu-ray (though it might take more than 3, depending on design specs).

While I will agree that a FF game is, due to its scope and use of pre-rendered cinematics, most vulnerable to issues of storage limitations, in most cases the differences between the size of DVD vs. Blu-ray can be overcome by compression. Warhawk is nearly small enough to fit on one CD, FFS.

That said, Sony were 100% right to use Blu-ray, because it does free developers from the need to cram everything onto one DVD.

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LittleBigMidget
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 1:16:47 PM
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i hope theres a beta for DC universe. It'll destroy FFXIV

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LittleBigMidget
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 1:22:37 PM
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thats not what the complaining about. FF13 is just incomplete. Its like sqaure is kicking PS3 owners in the balls. Its infuriating how we PS3 owners are treated like 2nd class gamers. and a FF13 bombing is the las thing we wanted to happen.

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Alienange
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 2:16:40 PM
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I'm sure FFXIII will be fun as most games tend to be geared towards having fun. The problem with FFXIII is that there is so much expectation that it cannot possibly live up to what everyone wants out of this gens FF games.

Personally, I think the enjoyment I get out of FFXIII will be directly related to how much I spend on it.

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 9:26:54 PM

Every FF that's come out since VI has lived up to the hype IMO.

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Highlander
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 2:32:30 PM
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Ben,

I have to bow to your wisdom regarding the death of the turn based mechanic. With the exception of hand held JRPGs I'm not sure what the last truly turn based RPG on a console was. It may have been Xenosaga, or possibly Shadow Hearts, not sure which had the mor recent release.

Either way, the inescapable conclusion is that if turn based game play is your preference, you are S.O.L. . I still hope for a resurrection but I have no idea where it will come from. It depresses me greatly to come to this conclusion, I had been hoping that perhaps there was something. But in trying to find a truly turn based RPG for my wife to play, I have discovered just how rare they are, even on the PS2. I would rant and rail against it, if I knew who to point the finger at, but there's not one company or factor, there are many.

I am beginning to really dislike this current wave of RPGs with their real time and pseudo-real time combat.

I'm also beginning to understand just what kinds of masterpiece some of the last few turn based JRPGs really were.

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darxed
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 4:32:57 PM

Well I don't know what you mean by truly, but the most recent I've played was Persona 4, Dungeon crawling, Turn based combat, RPG gaming in all it's glory! It seems that you are a serious RPG fan so If you haven't tried it (and Persona 3, especially the FES edition) then you should. Last great RPGs of the PS2 IMHO.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 7:59:49 PM

The last true turn-based RPG for consoles was Lost Odyssey for the Xbox 360, which I loved. If they ever do a sequel - and it doesn't look like they're going to - I'll be one of the first to get it.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 2:35:00 PM
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More backpeddling by the brain trust. I'll be the judge of the game, but I'm not expecting it to supplant my love for FFVII.

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Dancemachine55
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 7:17:56 PM

FF VII FTW!!!

My love of turn-based RPG started with that. I am so disappointed that future FF's from there didn't maintain that simple yet deep MAGIC and MATERIA system from that game. It's the one RPG I continue to play to this day, 13 years after its release.

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bigrailer19
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 2:51:33 PM
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"Well, as for the PS3 version, Kitase and Toriyama said they "felt that the final product is 100% enjoyable" and hence, they're "not planning any DLC at this time."

So does that mean the 360 version might get DLC later as an exclusive? Wouldn't surpise me if it happened. What with FF13 being advertised for the 360 here in the U.S. and not the PS3.

I think I know what happened because they were speaking on a PS blog they didnt mention the 360 but, would leave even more skepticism. I dont know this whole thing has caught my eye, but im pretty much completely over any excitement for FF13 all things considered. I wont be a hipocrit and say I wont be playing it, cus I will eventually, but not before I get the games I'm really looking forward to out of the way.. Heavy Rain, GOW 3, even ModNation Racers!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 3:22:43 PM

I thought the same thing, if the PS3 version is "100% enjoyable" then what is the 360 version? The first thing that comes to mind is exclusive DLC.

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www
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 3:33:08 PM

Money keeps talking....

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darxed
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 4:35:34 PM

DLC is bad enough but exlusive DLC? I've been a defender / supporter of FFXIII so far, but if that happens, then screw you Square, do they even remember how many times they assured everyone and their grandmas this would be a PS3 exclusive?

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Roach721
Tuesday, February 16, 2010 @ 2:01:20 AM

I bet SE will make DLC exclusive to the 360. How much says this will happen. Truly pathetic. It's a corporate America were living in and Bill Gates is the door keeper.

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www
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 3:31:08 PM
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Lies...

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johnld
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 3:45:15 PM
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Didnt they also say that FFXIII was exclusive until wada messed everything up? I though i read somewhere that even they didnt know wada would go multiplatform.

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D1g1tal5torm
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 4:22:23 PM
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The spin doctors are out.

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DemonNeno
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 5:08:24 PM
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I'm not willing to believe that DLCs' will not exist. I especially don't think that content wasnt removed in the transition of an exclusive to an multplatform game.

Bottom line is, "polishing" a game doesn't require removal of towns entirely. Fitting them on a DVD that already pegs past the # of discs a FF game has ever neederd, makes it more suspect.

How can incorperating a town, which is solely made of characters, going to hamper a game? Is this like a post-apacolytic world?? I don't get it.. Are all the characters nomads..? It's a little overwhelming to imagine how NO TOWNS would polish content.

I call BS. Again, it may actually work out to be a great game, but how can you lack towns? How realistic and compelling can that truly get?

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Knightedrik
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 6:31:47 PM
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"In regard to the rumoured cut content, we feel it was taken out of context. There are a lot of ideas that are brought to the table, and then the team takes the best ideas out of those, and the final product is polished that way. There was content that were 'ideas' that didn't make the final content, but the team isn't looking to release that as downloadable content."

Translation: "Yeah, so what if we gimped ps3 version so we can milk xbox, its our game and we love money. And yes its xbox fault cause you can barely fit movie on dvd much less game. Don't worry, all we cut out is towns. So in closing, F**K YOU DOLPHIN, AND F**K YOU WHALE!!!!!!!!!!!!"

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Qubex
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 7:05:24 PM

Lol, there is always something in that "bending" mechanic :)

Q!

"The Wizard left Oz"

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Mr Bitey
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 6:51:31 PM
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I think this really just goes to show how out of touch SE is with it's fan base.

Regardless of why content was cut, they really should have known better then to announce that 1/2 the game was cut.

It's almost like they go out their way to make PS3 owners angry.

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Bandit King
Tuesday, February 16, 2010 @ 7:51:52 AM

Nah, its MS who is trying to piss you off. They want you to feel guilty about owning a PS3 by taking former PS exclusive brands and parade them around on their system in the hopes that you go "Huh, 360 has all PlayStations games. What did I buy a PlayStation for then?". S-E is not rtying to piss you off MS designs the exclusive marketing campaigns to piss off PlayStation owners.

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tes37
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 9:06:26 PM

White Knight Chronicles does a lot of things right. I just hope they push themselves harder to elevate this franchise from a B to an A by the time WKCII comes out. It is worth picking up.

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Dancemachine55
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 7:30:10 PM
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Why do they even announce these things? Why does SE go out of their way to say "Due to capacity issues, PR issues, etc. we had to remove this, this and this."

I think Wada or Toriyama have become buddies with someone at MS and they didn't want to hurt the friendship.

Such a shame that money is now the no. 1 concern for making games, not the gamers themselves, the ones who actually BUY THE FREAKIN' GAMES and give the company THEIR MONEY!!!

SE need to learn that money comes from consumers and the gamers themselves, so they need to take care of consumers and gamers before companies and themselves.

I wonder if they still think this deal with MS has paid off? After all the negative attention they've been getting, the content they've been forced to remove, the statements they've been forced to retract, the lies they've had to dish out to their fans, was it all worth it for that extra few million?

Don't they realise they woulda made that extra few million back over time with PS3 sales due to their game? And that their game would've been the masterpiece they'd worked so long and hard for?

FFXIII had the potential to be a 98 on Metacritic, but greed for money changed all that. I hope SE are happy with what they've done.

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rogers71
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 8:27:19 PM

"FFXIII had the potential to be a 98 on Metacritic, but greed for money changed all that. I hope SE are happy with what they've done."

Unfortunately for all us Sony fans, I think SE will be very happy. The reason...No matter how the game turns out, because this game is multiplat, it will be the best selling FF game to this point. I could be wrong but I don't see it. Thoughts?

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Snaaaake
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 8:29:35 PM

Indeed it will be the best selling FF in the franchise and because of that the multiplat will continue.

Just like RE5 sold 5 million to become the highest selling series in the franchise and I bet my UC2 that RE6 will be multiplat too.

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Dancemachine55
Tuesday, February 16, 2010 @ 2:17:32 AM

Mario 64, GTA IV, MGS 4, Uncharted 2, Zelda Ocarina of Time, etc. etc. were all given the highest ratings and review scores. Yet Modern Warfare 2 is the highest selling video game this generation.

Not all sales numbers are tied to quality. Just because FF XIII will sell more than any before will not mean that it is better than VII or VIII, or FF X for that matter.

Also, it does come down to personal preference, and in my eyes, FF VII is the greatest Final Fantasy I have ever played. Why? Maybe it was the Materia system? Maybe it was the story? Maybe it was the deep and engrossing characters and environment? Maybe it was the fact that it was the first RPG I had ever played at 11 years old when it first came out. All I know is, no other FF has lived up to VII in my eyes. FF X might be favourites with others, but not really me. Cloud, Aeris, Tifa and even Barret all have a special place in my heart. (The gaming section of my heart of course)

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Snaaaake
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 8:28:10 PM
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I remember reading an article with the title "FFXIII is PS3's last hope".

Yea right, more like Square Enix's last hope, ever since Kingdom Hearts 2, all the game they made aren't up to their standard considering that they own the biggest JRPG franchise of all time.

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tes37
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 8:51:54 PM
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SE should just go ahead and say it. Instead of an rpg, people will be getting an msg.

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BikerSaint
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 9:02:33 PM
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With a ton more of game clogging sodium too

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Highlander
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 9:58:05 PM

Dude, that salt'll kill you if you're not careful

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Robochic
Monday, February 15, 2010 @ 11:11:16 PM
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Every add or commercial I have seen for this game has 360 as the main attraction, and under that saying "and also on PS3". We'll see what happens in the month it releases.

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Bandit King
Tuesday, February 16, 2010 @ 7:42:36 AM

where did you see those? Because the only ads I have seen are the NBA one and a few online ones. Other then that, the trailers put the PS logo fist and the US print ads I have seen put the PS3 logo on top of the 360.

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Akuma07
Tuesday, February 16, 2010 @ 1:54:47 AM
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Sorry, but i dont believe a word Squeenix says anymore!

This is one fan, your going to have to try harder to get back Squeenix!

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Qubex
Tuesday, February 16, 2010 @ 10:03:31 AM

...and like a small piglet, it Squeenixed and scurried away...

Q!

"The Wizard left Oz"

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___________
Tuesday, February 16, 2010 @ 2:30:50 AM
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let me guess, HD towns were one of those "ideas?"
yea, i thought so.
NEXT!

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Bandit King
Tuesday, February 16, 2010 @ 7:40:46 AM
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You know whats getting a good laugh this moring? Microsoft is advertising the 360 version of Final Fantasy on PlayStation specific websites. Places like PSU.com are lambasted with "FFXIII on Xbox 360" and "Get your LE 360 bundle" its pretty sad how hard they are pushing and from what I can tell its doing nothing. No one with a PS3 is going to buy this game on 360, especially not go out and buy a 360 for it. Its still annoying though.

You know what was really funny? Since I own a 360 and am semi active on Xbox.com I was browsing the 360 forums for FF13 and some of them were bashing it, while a few openly admitted that they were buying the game for PS3(and no it wasn't me).

Even more so, Im sure you guys seen the Leona Lewis special message trailer. Well the one from Home and PSN shows her "playing" the game and a PS3 is clearly visible. The online ad uses the same commercial but she has a 360 pad in her hand, but there is no 360 in sight.

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Highlander
Tuesday, February 16, 2010 @ 10:44:58 AM

What's most annoying about Microsoft is that their best 'product' is their marketing.

In my opinion...if you look at Windows, ever version since Windows 286 has been plagued by bugs by the boatload. Since the advent of the Internet Windows has been more full of holes than a really good swiss cheese and Internet Exploiter has been so porous that people can use it as a kitchen sponge. Microsoft release poor products and fix them later, but they market them as the most significant advances in human achievement. And people buy into that. The original Xbox was no different, it was a hulking beast and nothing more than a closed box PC with a closed interface OS. The 360 is an attempt at a real console using a new CPU (well 'new' except most of it was taken from the early Cell designs), and a new OS. Of course the hardware has been somewhat crap, but that's OK because with the 5th or 6th generation 360 mobos the heat thing isn't a problem any more (mostly because 45nm chips don't produce enough heat to roast the poor thing). Let's not forget how 'secure' the 360 has been with games being torrented and burned to DVD for it. Ah, but as usual, MS is fixing it's problems after release, not before. Don't even get me started about MS Office or their pricing of Windows and EULA policies.

In the end the only thing that MS does, that they don't have to fix after launch is their marketing. How can a company that produces such shoddy products be so powerful and dominating?

Just for the lawyers - this is my personal opinion and represents nothing more than my opinion.

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Nynja
Tuesday, February 16, 2010 @ 3:19:31 PM

@Highlander;

Microsoft has intelligent marketing as well as a knack for eliminating competition (most of us know how they tend to achieve the latter).

What really launched Microsoft's OS into the lime light was their ability to provide users with developer tools specifically designed around the Windows product line. Their dedication to educating the public with their SDKs has paid off in the long run. The Windows OS took off with the inclusion of basic applications that normally would need to be purchased separately, which was very costly for the consumer.

Smart business decisions on their part.

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___________
Wednesday, February 17, 2010 @ 5:59:15 AM

ill second that.
i was running windows vista ultimate on my laptop and everything was working perfectly.
upgraded to windows 7 because its suppose to be "faster" and now my laptop takes 20 seconds longer to shut down and boot up.
not to mention every hour or so it locks up on my and i have to reboot.
O and ASUS STILL have not released any drivers for their products yet.
M$ promised they would not have a repeat of vista, and thats exactly what they have done.
6 months after release and windows 7 has enough bugs to rival mercenaries 2!

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Nynja
Wednesday, February 17, 2010 @ 11:07:26 AM

@___________;

Never buy an MS product on release. There -WILL- be issues. Always wait about 6 months to 1 year out so the early buyers can properly beta test the full release version.

On that note; has anyone seen some of those stupid Windows 7 was my idea commercials? They are advertising features that were already available in Vista as new features stating it was consumers' ideas to include in the new Win7 OS.

Can't fcking stand Microsoft...

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Fane1024
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 5:53:53 PM

Correction: "Never buy an MS product."

Windows became dominant for one reason: Microsoft negotiated a back-room deal (and then others) to get Windows installed on PCs before retail. Ever since, it takes effort NOT to buy Windows.

Even if you wanted to run a different OS, your hardware comes with a version of Windows on it that you have to remove with a crow bar and an exorcist, plus you've already paid for Windows as part of your purchase, whether you use it or not.

Last edited by Fane1024 on 2/20/2010 5:58:35 PM

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kraygen
Thursday, February 18, 2010 @ 12:36:50 AM
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Sad fact is, these stupid comments from SE are just them trying to cover their butts on the ps3 end. Of course they're not going to admit the content was cut due to the 360, that would be admitting the 360 is of lower quality and thus bashing their clients. Its just sad that their are no towns in this game, i refuse to call it final fantasy.

Fact: Final Fantasy games have full and engaging towns that feel like real life because final fantasy is role playing.

Fact: Games with worlds with no towns are not rpgs because even post apocalyptic worlds with few remaining people will have people group together to form a village, town, or form of society in order to survive.

Conclusion: Game being released march 9th while may be fun and enjoyable is not the final fantasy game we were all looking forward to.

All hail White Knight Chronicles with its beautiful, large, and engaging towns and landscapes.

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Ar_tonelico
Thursday, February 18, 2010 @ 11:07:15 AM
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So.... wait if the 360 version gets the DLC but PS3 doesn't, doesn't that mean the PS3 version goes from being 100% good to like 90-95% good? How can they possibly say that the PS3 version is good enough if they're giving better treatment to the 360 version? I'm kind of sick of all the Final Fantasty XIII talk and exclusives it gets because it's almost like the PS3 version doesn't even exist. It's like how games that are also released on PS2, PSP, and DS that are ports from their HD counterparts it's like well were here just no one seems to bother talking about us kind of attitude.

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Bardock617
Thursday, February 18, 2010 @ 1:20:23 PM
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They never said their wouldn't be DLC. they are thinking about it. besides, i could care less. i've had the game since it came out in Japan. and why do you people really care about stupid towns? they're a waste of damn time. the game is long enough AS IS. it will take you 50 hours the least. and thats just the game alone, without the missions in Pulse. you'll wind up clocking 100+ hours if you really get into it. the shops are at the save menu.

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