Square-Enix: A FFVII Remake Would Take 10-12 Years
I hated math in school but I still I should be able to better understand Square-Enix's comments here.
Okay, so while the idea of a Final Fantasy VII remake is always a hot topic amongst RPG fans, Square-Enix has taken to providing the press with one explanation as to why it really can't happen: it would simply take too long. This has been difficult for people to understand, but it seems as if the company doesn't wish to devote a huge amount of resources to a remake; i.e, they don't want to make it the focal point of their development studio, which they apparently would have to do. See what you think about the following statement from FFXIII producer Yoshinori Kitase, who provided TechDigest (as spotted by Connected Consoles) with this:
"If it were possible that we had all the right facilities and the right environment to be able to make and prepare a Final Fantasy VII remake within a year, we'd very much like a go at it! But even Final Fantasy XIII has taken over three and a half years to create. If we were to recreate final Fantasy VII with the same level of graphical detail as you see in Final Fantasy XIII, we'd imagine that that would take as much as three or four times longer than the three and a half years it has taken to put this Final Fantasy together! So it's looking pretty unrealistic! But if any such situation came about by any remote chance, then yes, we'd do it!"
Okay, so basically, he's saying it's impossible. But why, why would a remake take "three or four times longer" than it took to make FFXIII? WHY? I'm having extreme difficulty with this one. I am aware the graphical upgrade would have to start from scratch, but didn't you have to make other things for FFXIII that already exist for FFVII? Like, the story? The setting? The characters? The freakin' dialogue should stay the same, too, as far as I'm concerned. So you're telling me that a graphical (and sound, I suppose) overhaul would take 10-12 years to do? ...what does that even mean?! I confuzled.
2/19/2010 8:59:45 PM Ben Dutka
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 10:24:45 PM
I'm really not sure what their long-term plan is and I cannot comprehend their reasoning concerning the remake. The whole thing just sounds really confusing to me.
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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 10:28:30 PM
godsman
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 2:37:32 AM
OPHIDIAN
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 8:32:26 AM
On topic:
It is very confusing, there is just no sense there. Surely they can't be worried that it won't sell and these excuses they have are just ridiculous. I mean making a whole HD city, town, village can't be that difficult, Rockstar did it.
OPHIDIAN
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 8:32:28 AM
On topic:
It is very confusing, there is just no sense there. Surely they can't be worried that it won't sell and these excuses they have are just ridiculous. I mean making a whole HD city, town, village can't be that difficult, Rockstar did it.
King James
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 9:53:37 PM
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Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 10:03:46 PM
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Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 10:16:57 PM
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OtisFeelgood
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 10:17:20 PM
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Gamer Girl Gemo
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 6:52:12 AM
Obviously, for SE, it is just. That. Hard. They don't know what the term of "Haste" is.
And it's more of they don't feel like doing a remake... Either that, or they just want to keep VII on the PS1 and no where else. Either way you look at it, they're just some lazy developers... (Sigh) :/
Akuma07
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 10:11:31 PM
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Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 10:17:57 PM
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convergecrew
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 2:35:23 AM
Highlander
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 7:56:12 PM
If it took them 10-12 years to complete, we'd be playing it on PlayStation 5 (or the MS ExLox 1440) in 4D with aroma feed-back.
WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 10:30:05 PM
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Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 10:38:43 PM
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Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 11:03:47 PM
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Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 11:59:16 PM
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Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 12:21:05 AM
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Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 1:31:59 PM
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Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 11:07:15 PM
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there is allot of exploration in VII and there is barley any in XIII, as they said before creating towns in HD would take so much time and cashola.
thats why it would take so much longer, though i think the 3 to 4 times longer was just a over exaggeration.
but i dont see whats the problem, what do they care how long a game would take to complete?
i get the feeling $E have games in their head they want to make and nothing else.
i think its safe to say a VII remake would sell 10 times better than any of those games.
WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 11:10:10 PM
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Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 3:41:50 PM
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Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 4:34:16 AM
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Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 11:37:08 PM
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Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 11:50:26 PM
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Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 7:38:39 PM
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Highlander
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Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 12:13:02 AM
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main_event05
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 6:43:03 AM
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Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 1:00:23 AM
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Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 1:12:24 AM
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Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 1:33:21 AM
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Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 12:51:15 PM
tes37
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 1:42:50 AM
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Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 1:48:34 AM
Deathstriker
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 4:42:52 AM
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Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 6:40:37 AM
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Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 2:12:36 AM
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Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 10:24:21 AM
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Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 2:21:26 AM
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Fane1024
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 3:51:52 PM
If someone wants a 2D(-ish) FFVII with everything the way it was in the original, they should just play the original. It's only $10 on PSN.
If someone wants a game that looks like Advent Children, they should understand that it won't play ANYTHING like the original.
People who love the game the way it is WON'T LIKE ANY CHANGES. People who want the story, but with 21st-century gameplay, WON'T LIKE THE THINGS THAT AREN'T UPDATED.
Lose-lose.
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ShadowRunner
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 2:35:34 AM
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Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 2:41:27 AM
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Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 6:31:04 AM
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Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 6:33:52 AM
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Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 3:19:50 AM
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frostface
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 6:45:30 AM
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Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 4:07:44 AM
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fstop
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 4:46:25 AM
I think we all want to go back to those nostalgic days. We cling to the thought of thinking we would somehow get lost in that world again...it was THAT enjoyable to play.
If you want a reasonable explanation you'll never get it. All we can give you is unreasonable, undeniable, biased opinions. We just love the game that much...it's really hard to explain even for a die hard FFVII fan.
Yet, you are correct we should be more concerned with what developers do for the future.
I have a question though. If we fans are crazy enough to spend X amounts of MONEY on something old with new graphics, as a company (who's only existence is to make MONEY from people) why wouldn't you want to make that MONEY?
The only answer is the loss is far greater than the gain.
WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 12:55:52 PM
Oyashiro
Sunday, February 21, 2010 @ 4:00:10 AM
The thing is SE as a whole are only producing mediocre(at best) games this generation. The only good games they have put out where Crisis Core(Spin off), FF DS remakes, Chrono Trigger(port). But there was a ray of hope, a shining beacon in the darkness... The World Ends With You. Playing that made me think that SquarSOFT may not be completely dead after all. But since then they have hardly giving that IP the time of day and oped instead for these bland, horrible games that are supposed to appeal to the west.
There is a reason for people wanting them to remake games. And its because we are losing faith that they can create anything new that would be worth the $60+ we spend on there games.
Mitsuharu
Sunday, February 21, 2010 @ 4:45:43 PM
Fane1024
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 3:57:43 PM
True, but the same people who are making the lame games now would be making the FFVII remake. Do you want them to ruin your beloved game? Because they probably would.
I agree with EducAsian. Just because S-E are making all the wrong decisions when it comes to how to update the JRPG for the 21st century doesn't mean that shouldn't be the goal. Prettier cut scenes only go so far.
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Qubex
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 4:14:08 AM
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To me it is another attack on the franchises exclusivity!
Q!
"i am home"
Ultimadream
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 4:38:10 AM
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Just think for a moment about bringing a game like FFVII to a current gen console:
Voice Acting - They will have to record all the dialouge put into the game, which is quite alot.
Battle System - Will a modern auidience accpet a turn base battle system.... probaly not, so they'd have to find an effective way to make the material system link with the new battle system they make.
World Map - Can you imagine what it will take to make a map like that look like in modern standard, people would not expect just a little town icon and flat lands. They'll expect something simular to oblivion which i just cant see being done.
Story - Will it remain the same or will they tweak it, either will leave people moaning.
When they say it would take a decade to do, while it may be a slight (only slight) overstatment, it's understandable why they act hesisitant.
Alienange
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 12:27:16 PM
Ultimadream
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 1:32:39 PM
Highlander
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 7:50:33 PM
BigBoss4ever
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 5:11:46 AM
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Shatterday
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 5:44:14 AM
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I think now more than ever we're seeing the sacrifice of story and content to graphics. It's sad that it's in my favorite genre too.
Qubex
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 6:16:08 AM
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Gamer Girl Gemo
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 6:38:09 AM
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Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 6:39:15 AM
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Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 6:41:58 AM
Gamer Girl Gemo
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 6:36:07 AM
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I would find it an amazing oppurtunity to take advantage of their company's most widely known figures of FF and just bring it back, better than before. If SE is in for the money, obviously they are by going multiplat, then they would be rolling in the MOTHERLOAD with this remake. SE is in some pretty high demand right now and it seems like they love the spotlight and they're keeping us on our toes to keep us with them. Good thing too, considering their possible loss of fans from going multiplat with FFXIII.
Maybe I'm looking into things too much, but it just seems that way to me. Excuse the lengthiness of this, but look at Naughty Dog and how fast they put out the gorgeous Uncharted 2... Didn't even take three years to make that beauty. Why can't you just follow suit SE? Bleck.
Highlander
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 7:49:19 PM
Even if we did accept the 3-4 times longer than FFXIII timeline, does that mean that FFVII is 3-4 times the game that FFXIII is?
Fane1024
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 4:10:55 PM
totozero18
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 7:10:07 AM
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Fane1024
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 4:13:41 PM
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Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 5:18:43 PM
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And those who are saying it'd be so easy to just "update the graphics" frankly don't have the slightest clue what they're talking about. Have you ever tried parallel vector programming for a Cell processor? It's a complete paradigm shift. You're basically learning to program from scratch all over again. And the only decent engine Square has for Cell is Crystal Tools. To port FFVII to Crystal Tools would require a complete ground-up rebuild. With a small development team, I can easily see how it would take a decade to complete.
If we were talking about a refresh done on a contemporary processor such as the PSX or even the 360, then that would probably be doable if they wanted. But here he is specifically talking about "if we were to recreate final Fantasy VII with the same level of graphical detail as you see in Final Fantasy XIII" ie. on the PS3.
Highlander
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 7:46:42 PM
RustEDalex
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 5:24:07 PM
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bridgera
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 6:44:10 PM
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"If we were to recreate final Fantasy VII with the same level of graphical detail as you see in Final Fantasy XIII"
Dear Square Enix,
Awesome Game with Good Graphics > Good Game with Awesome Graphics
Graphics are great and all, but really, a FFVII remake would not HAVE to be as detailed as FFXIII. Really, at this point, it seems that all your company cares about is graphics, and not anything else.
Certainly you can do a FFVII remake, put it at 720p, and it'll look a LOT better than the original FFVII.
That's all people want, every last detail of every game doesn't have to be uber graphics....
.... I'd rather have FFXIII have towns, than Uber graphics, towns and great graphics would suffice.
Oh and trohpies, people want the FFVII remake to have trophies.
Gamer Girl Gemo
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 7:28:36 PM
I'm going to have to slightly disaggree with you on the whole, SE is only in for graphics... See, with FFXIII going multiplat, it only weakens the quality of the graphics. Have you noticed that most multiplat games are not really the best graphics that it could have been an exclusive? (Except ACII, which held beautiful graphics.) SE is in for money more than anything else. It makes sense. Offer the game to a bigger variety of people, rack in more cash for the developers. Graphics may have gone down, but we have nothing to compare it to so... Jackpot for SE.
And SE is just too darn lazy to even attempt a remake of VII. It would not take so long for a game to be made. It doesn't even take a decade or so to make a console if you have dedicated workers, which SE seems to have a good supply of. So, once again back to my statement, they're just lazy and don't really want to go back to their old franchise for a remake. Makes no sense, but they don't care about what we fans want, they're just doing what they think would be best for them.
Highlander
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 7:44:16 PM
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Are they saying that they have to pre-render every frame of action to ensure we get high quality? In which case their game engine must seriously suck if it can't render graphics in real time.
10-12 years to re-do FFVII? Does that mean that FFVII is 3 times the game that FFXIII is? That's the implication. Complete rubbish. I can see it taking a long time to build and design all the HD models and art, but the game is being rendered in real time by the console, not pre-rendered, so once those models are done, the engine does the heavy lifting. I can't see any reason why a game like FFVIII would take a decade to bloody well make, that's just stupid. 10 years? That's 1 and a half console generations for God's sakes, stupidity. IMHO Square Enix are BSing liars if they are honestly saying it would take more than a decade to make a remake of FFVII. Holy crap in 10 years there's be 5 generations of Intel CPU, g generations of GPU improvement and at least two console generations would exist. Are they really saying it'd take longer to remake FFVII than it would to design, research and built an entirely new video console?
Akuma07
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 10:20:35 PM
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I do not believe for one minute it would take that long to do it.
There are alot of implecations of that comment.
Some of which, is:
1) The squeenix team isn't good enough to make a amazing game in 3 years.
2) FFVII remake would be 4 times the game XIII is
3) They don't care about their fans
etc etc
XIII took a long time, because they had to get used to the PS3 tech, plus they had to recreate the game for the 360 and refused to give us the PS3 version until the 360 one was complete.
-Minor story and location changes.
-Minor dialogue changes.
-More sidequests/secrets.
-Making Yuffie and Vincent MAIN characters this time, instead of secrets.
-Complete upgrade of the graphics and cutscenes.
-Trophies.
Sorry guys, that would take any GOOD developer about 2 years i reckon. Longer if they wanted to make it perfect. And this is coming from a multimedia developer.
BikerSaint
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 11:17:25 PM
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SE should have made MS add an extra clause in their contract, so that a dozen 15 wheeler sludge trucks would always be on 24 hour standby to suck their craniums clean, whenever the aroma oozing out of their ears got too pungent.
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Sunday, February 21, 2010 @ 12:55:02 AM
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totozero18
Sunday, February 21, 2010 @ 5:58:09 AM
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Truth is they do like money, M$ money, my last hope on Squeenix is that somehow Tetsuya Nomura gets enough leverage inside the company to start a project of his own choice.
@ RustEDalex I thought the same, I bet ppl would even buy a PspGo if it came in a bundle with teh remake. HECK! I'd even buy a "FF-VII Mod" for FF-X on PS2!!!
Square's fall begun with that tumor that used to be called Enix
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DemonNeno
Sunday, February 21, 2010 @ 9:23:38 AM
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First, their fan base. I think a lot of people are missing a huge part of what people want. The FFVII tech demo was great, but not their set standard. Fans would be happy with a lot less than what they were given to drool on.
Second, BUILDING BRIDGES! S-E made comments they should commit to. They should like other parties chime into the recreation of the game with a global supervision of the project. Hence, you give three dev crews assigned responsibilities and get the job done in a year.
They would benefit immensely, even if not financially. What they would learn from other devs (ie, let naughty dog handle graphics and in return they can "share" their dev styles for more competent computing processes for the Cell) and give to the community would essentialy be bending over backwards for their customers and, most importantly, loyal fans.
Look at industry as an entertainment industry. You see this everywhere. Musical bands/singers doing projects, movies with large popular casting crews, and most recently the jointed push for 3DHDTV.
Sure, you split your profits on what you're getting, but how much would S-E actually be doing if their "firms" are handling the project's modeling and having a few S-E devs supervising each one of their teams.
The way I look at it, the Gaming industry has too much greed working against them. Will the game take forever to build through S-E? Probably. Not because it's so incredibly complex, but likely due to how little they'll invest. They're not going to throw their dev brainchildren into a remake when they can hand it over to a smaller crew and do what they've been doing... "Trying".
Sometimes what you get for your efforts surpass any lost profit you'll see. For example, when fans become happy, what do they do? Buy more. Look at the GoW Series. Since the fanbase is so loyal and happy to see that their 3rd installment is MORE than they were anticipating after the E3 Demo we all played, people are grabbing the GoW Collection like it's a limited item!
Bottom line is the fan. You piss him or her off and you won't have one. Lieing to us about how long it'll take, how "impossible" it would be to produce towns, not cities, in this game, and how much work it'll take to restructure a game is retarded.
Also, to address some statements on this thread.
Dialog - You don't change it. You don't even NEED voices. I wouldn't give two shits about voices, in all honesty. It's an old game of a different generation. I think that "feeling" should still remain intact.
FMV - We don't need them! Make cut scenes real-time. If they don't blow our minds away with technical advancements, WHO CARES?! If it can look anywhere near as pretty as FFXIII, which it really doesn't HAVE TO, I'm sold and I'm sure hundreds of thousands of people would forgive them.
Towns - Ok, they need work. Don't rework them, though. Utilize your same towns in HD. Utilize shaders to give them the depth a polygon structure can bring and map them well.
Characters - You only need to make each character once. Different Armor and weapons are their only visual distinction.
World Map - Again, I want a remake, not a new game. You leave it intact. Map the image in 3D.
FFVII is a fabulous game. I still believe a remake is very possible and should be done! I hope people are willing to compromise for an updated game. If you want more, fine. Live without it. We need to be realistic. It IS a lot of work because of the length of the game. You can't expect it to be beyond this generations' graphics or a milestone in graphical achievements.
I just want a FFVII game where I can move in diagonal directions for Christs' sake! Some more detail here and there, high def resolutions and not so cheezy sound effects.
Anyone here agree?
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Sunday, February 21, 2010 @ 10:29:47 AM
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I believe that this statement is one of two things.
1) They are not as convinced as the entire gaming community that the game would sell well, meaning that they're obviously not willing to put the time and money into development of something that's not guaranteed to give them a return.
2) They simply don't want to make the game. As much as I would love to have a FFVII game in HD, they don't have to make it to survive as a company.
Realistically, how many other games out this generation are complete re-makes of old games? I can't think of any off the top of my head. I can almost guarantee you that there would be a portion of the gaming community that would love the re-make, and would have no qualms whatsoever with it's design (as long as they didn't change anything drastically). However, I also believe that there would be a LARGE portion of the gaming community that would lambast SE for making a "next gen" game that still followed by the old gaming style, or that followed the exact same story. People, especially gamers, are really pissy nowadays, and they're one of the most fickle markets in entertainment.
And this is the point that I'm getting at. I believe that this statement is a lie. No confusion, it's a straight up lie. The lie, however, is a way for them to deter from the truth of the matter, whatever that may be. It's just a shame that the company feels the need to lie to their audience instead of telling them the truth.
Don't believe that SE would lie? What about the images they released to prove the PS3 and 360 version looked identical? It was proven that they photoshopped the images to appear as if they were on the 360, while it was the PS3 version being displayed.
They released images that were supposed to be from both consoles, but really they were from the PS3 version and photoshopped to look like the 360 version. Problem being, how could they capture the EXACT same image twice for both consoles, with everything being in the EXACT same place? I cry foul.
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/8995/merge.jpg
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PHOENIXZERO
Sunday, February 21, 2010 @ 10:24:42 PM
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The over world map issue MIGHT have been a problem but that could easily just be done the old fashion way (I want to be able to fly/control airships again dammit) so then there's the towns which for some reason is really hard Square to do apparently. Like what was already said, a huge amount of the work is already done.
Truth of the matter is that it's an excuse for try to fend off the Final Fantasy VII fanboys. But Square did it to themselves with that teaser. Personally I have zero interest in a remake since I played it several times over 12 years ago. The resources would be much better spent on new things.
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Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 9:27:56 PM
It is clear that all RPG fans want a FFVII remake, on the other hand it is also clear that there's not going to be one in the near future - though there will ultimately be a remake, someday.
What I reckon a FFVII is for SE is a playing card, but a damn right powerful one. They will only play it when they are in dire need of help.
A PS3 FF fan will never hate SE no matter what they do for other consoles. Why? Because they are the people that MIGHT just remake the best PS1 RPG ever (FFVII).
What do you think?