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Square-Enix: A FFVII Remake Would Take 10-12 Years

I hated math in school but I still I should be able to better understand Square-Enix's comments here.

Okay, so while the idea of a Final Fantasy VII remake is always a hot topic amongst RPG fans, Square-Enix has taken to providing the press with one explanation as to why it really can't happen: it would simply take too long. This has been difficult for people to understand, but it seems as if the company doesn't wish to devote a huge amount of resources to a remake; i.e, they don't want to make it the focal point of their development studio, which they apparently would have to do. See what you think about the following statement from FFXIII producer Yoshinori Kitase, who provided TechDigest (as spotted by Connected Consoles) with this:

"If it were possible that we had all the right facilities and the right environment to be able to make and prepare a Final Fantasy VII remake within a year, we'd very much like a go at it! But even Final Fantasy XIII has taken over three and a half years to create. If we were to recreate final Fantasy VII with the same level of graphical detail as you see in Final Fantasy XIII, we'd imagine that that would take as much as three or four times longer than the three and a half years it has taken to put this Final Fantasy together! So it's looking pretty unrealistic! But if any such situation came about by any remote chance, then yes, we'd do it!"

Okay, so basically, he's saying it's impossible. But why, why would a remake take "three or four times longer" than it took to make FFXIII? WHY? I'm having extreme difficulty with this one. I am aware the graphical upgrade would have to start from scratch, but didn't you have to make other things for FFXIII that already exist for FFVII? Like, the story? The setting? The characters? The freakin' dialogue should stay the same, too, as far as I'm concerned. So you're telling me that a graphical (and sound, I suppose) overhaul would take 10-12 years to do? ...what does that even mean?! I confuzled.

2/19/2010 8:59:45 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (139 posts)

OPHIDIAN
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 9:27:56 PM
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Ben,


It is clear that all RPG fans want a FFVII remake, on the other hand it is also clear that there's not going to be one in the near future - though there will ultimately be a remake, someday.

What I reckon a FFVII is for SE is a playing card, but a damn right powerful one. They will only play it when they are in dire need of help.

A PS3 FF fan will never hate SE no matter what they do for other consoles. Why? Because they are the people that MIGHT just remake the best PS1 RPG ever (FFVII).

What do you think?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 10:24:45 PM

I'm not sure. I think it's clear that they're not sold on the idea that a FFVII remake would be a home run. If that's the case, I can't see them holding on to a trump card they don't even believe in "just in case."

I'm really not sure what their long-term plan is and I cannot comprehend their reasoning concerning the remake. The whole thing just sounds really confusing to me.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 10:28:30 PM

I think their long term plan is to alienate their fans until there isn't one left, then come out with a brand new series that saves them. A la "Final Fantasy"

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godsman
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 2:37:32 AM

It's definitely coming. They've been making remakes for the DS for 1-4. Those are shooting out like every year. The only difference is that SE waste too much time on cutscenes.

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OPHIDIAN
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 8:32:26 AM

(This is probably the only gaming site I've ever been on where you actually get a response from the author. RESPECT to Ben and PsXextreme.)

On topic:

It is very confusing, there is just no sense there. Surely they can't be worried that it won't sell and these excuses they have are just ridiculous. I mean making a whole HD city, town, village can't be that difficult, Rockstar did it.

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OPHIDIAN
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 8:32:28 AM

(This is probably the only gaming site I've ever been on where you actually get a response from the author. RESPECT to Ben and PsXextreme.)

On topic:

It is very confusing, there is just no sense there. Surely they can't be worried that it won't sell and these excuses they have are just ridiculous. I mean making a whole HD city, town, village can't be that difficult, Rockstar did it.

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King James
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 9:53:37 PM
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"So it's looking pretty unrealistic!"

No S-E, u just don't wanna sell a lotta games!

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Riku994
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 9:55:01 PM
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I think if they won't do this, they should at least send word to Sony to remake LoD...

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Deleted User
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 10:03:46 PM
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It's garbage as far as I'm concerned. They don't want to revisit old games or old ideas unless they wanna do it. Who cares what we think?

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Deleted User
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 10:07:52 PM
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I wonder how many excuses they'll come up with before they find one people can actually believe...

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Deleted User
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 10:16:07 PM
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Somehow, I feel the quality of XIII will explain this one when we get to play it.

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piratedrunk
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 10:16:57 PM
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They even have a familiar game engine after finishing FFXIII. I think this must have been some sort of ridiculous exaggeration or translation error.

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OtisFeelgood
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 10:17:20 PM
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Instead of building from the PS1 version why don't they just start fresh from the ground up? It shouldn't take that long.

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Gamer Girl Gemo
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 6:52:12 AM

@OtisFeelgood

Obviously, for SE, it is just. That. Hard. They don't know what the term of "Haste" is.
And it's more of they don't feel like doing a remake... Either that, or they just want to keep VII on the PS1 and no where else. Either way you look at it, they're just some lazy developers... (Sigh) :/

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Akuma07
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 10:11:31 PM

Considering they created the spell "haste"

They dont even understand its application xD

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 10:17:57 PM
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I'm with you, that makes absolutely no sense. A game from scrap takes a third of the time to make than a game with everything but graphics and sound intact. This just illustrates how insane SE has become. They just don't want to do it, which I understand they want to do more exciting things, but why lie about it? You don't want guaranteed multiple tens of millions of dollars? Fine. Kitase has gone insane, Wada is out of his mind, who is running this mental hospital?

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convergecrew
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 2:35:23 AM

Absolutely. Mental hospital says it all. I dont care that much whether they remake the game or not, but I enjoy reading their butt insane remarks that they seem to pull out of left field.

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Highlander
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 7:56:12 PM

110% agreed. I can't believe that they are touting this line of it taking more than a decade to remake a game. Nor can I believe how many people are willing to accept complete nonsense like this because FFVII is such a wonderful game or because they trust SE.

If it took them 10-12 years to complete, we'd be playing it on PlayStation 5 (or the MS ExLox 1440) in 4D with aroma feed-back.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 10:30:05 PM
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If it's gonna take you 12 years to make a remake then you fail as a company, at LEAST redo the old one in HD, that wouldn't cost much to reskin it.

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laxpro2001
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 10:38:43 PM

I agree with you World, but I'm no developer but I call BS on that statement.

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Oxvial
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 10:34:46 PM
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it wouldn't fit on 3 dvd's too much towns, map and sidequests.

just look at the poor FFXIII 360 screenshots... looks like an abortion .

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 10:38:22 PM

link?

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Oxvial
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 11:03:47 PM

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/02/ffxiii_event01.jpg

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/02/ffxiii_event03_02.jpg

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 11:33:08 PM

Holy pixelation Batman!

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NiteKrawler
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 11:59:16 PM

Oh wow...I'm gonna have to upgrade my lol factor to roflcopter for those links.

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chedison
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 12:21:05 AM

the difference in those screens is sad in a funny way lol

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frostface
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 6:36:24 AM

Thats frakking nuts!!! WTF?

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Jawknee
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 1:31:59 PM

HA! i saw these on Kotaku. All the enraged xbots are now saying graphics dont matter and that DVD is still superior to Blue Ray.

I can never get an answer to this question from a bot. If DVD9 was "good enough" then why did MS invest so much time and money backing the failed HD-DVD?

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___________
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 11:07:15 PM
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i think what hes saying is the scale and size of the game.
there is allot of exploration in VII and there is barley any in XIII, as they said before creating towns in HD would take so much time and cashola.
thats why it would take so much longer, though i think the 3 to 4 times longer was just a over exaggeration.
but i dont see whats the problem, what do they care how long a game would take to complete?
i get the feeling $E have games in their head they want to make and nothing else.
i think its safe to say a VII remake would sell 10 times better than any of those games.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 11:10:10 PM

It's not like those towns were big, each one only had a few places that were accessible, the rest was just for show.

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Fane1024
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 3:41:50 PM

Seriously...how does anything in FFVII remotely compare to the scope of GTA IV or AC or AC II or Fallout 3 or Oblivion or even FFXII, for that matter?

If they can build FFXIV in around four years, they could easily re-make FFVII in the same time period or much less time.

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Milonakis
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 11:27:24 PM
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I think what your forgetting is all the landscaping, cities, interiors of houses, and how just plain long the story was. They had so many different landscapes they'd have to completely redraw.

Q!

"i am home"

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Qubex
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 4:34:16 AM

Milonakis, do please stop hijacking my signature!

Q!

"i am home"

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 12:34:50 PM

yeah sup with that?

Q!

"i am home"

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Qubex
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 10:11:48 PM

Lol World :)

Sure he will get the message once Ben steps into the ring :)

Q!

"i am home"

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SuMtOnE
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 11:34:03 PM
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mang if i were SONY i would FUND all the THINGS necessary so SE can just remake it and be PS3 EXCLUSIVE... it would boost a lot of sales both side wins =)

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Milonakis
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 11:37:08 PM

If it didn't go PS exclusive I still think Barret might be replaced with Marcus Fenix on the 360 version.

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Oyashiro
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 11:37:45 PM
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So... Does this mean that FFXIII has only 1/4th the content of a game they made 13 years ago had?

They really just need to stop talking.

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main_event05
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 12:10:44 AM

I like your logic

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Sol
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 12:16:55 AM

...Agreed.

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Banky A
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 7:00:39 PM

I like your face.

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Bloodysilence19
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 11:50:26 PM
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ok i don't understand in other statements he said he wouldn't mind doing it now his saying 10 years it would take to make.pretty much that right there is just BS!!.if this game took 10 years it better be like perfection to the extreme to take that long on a game.i mean look at Uc2,Me2,Kz2 those didn't take to long to make look how great those games look.does squarnix not understand we don't want another ff 14 15 16 etc etc.core ff fans want one and only one and that's ff 7 remake.i guaranteed that game if it was remade in Hd would sell more than probably halo and cod.

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Snaaaake
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 11:50:57 PM
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Again, more FFVII BS from SE.

Yea right 10-12years, more like they're indirectly saying there will never be a FFVII remake.

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Gamer Girl Gemo
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 7:38:39 PM

@Snaaaake

More like... Direct. A direct message to get across to us fans, "NO.", and they are just so eager for us to shut up about it. Oh dear... They have grown quite arrogant.

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Deathstriker
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 11:53:59 PM
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If anyone understand this, it would have to be me...I understand what there saying, but it's still a killer. I am working on a game myself with a few friend's using the UDK. I can see what they mean...each disc for back then would be about the length of a game now. They would have to go back and recreate everything disc by disc. Which make's it come to be about 3 times longer, but I still dont get why they would want to recreate EVERY thing, just simpleness and retexturing/remodling some thing's, but there so PERFECT that they want to make it all...from scratch. No reuse's or anything...

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tes37
Friday, February 19, 2010 @ 11:59:52 PM
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I tend to believe Square Enix. I agree that under their current leadership, they are incapable of delivering a full HD game for this gen much less a remake. I wouldn't want a remake until they show a little more confidence in themselves.

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Highlander
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 8:38:26 PM

Nice point. On the basis of that I would agree. However a *normal* game development company would fire anyone that suggested it would take 10-12 years to remake a PS1 game - *any* PS1 game. A normal game developer wouldn't estimate a timescale that covers potentially two console generations.

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main_event05
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 12:13:02 AM
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Can't Sony do something about them? They down own the rights to it right?

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main_event05
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 6:43:03 AM

Sry sleepy, typing faster than thinking what i meant to say was:

Can't Sony do something about them? They do own the rights to it, right?

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gumbi
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 1:00:23 AM
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Gah... every time they give us another excuse as to why they "can't" remake FFVII it pisses me off a little more. It's PR suicide, and just makes them look/sound incompetent. Okay SE just tell us straight up, plain and simple, you "wont" remake FFVII. Not because you can't, but because you wont. Honestly, that'd be so much easier for me to swallow than constantly feeding us excuses about how it'd be too hard. Aw boo hoo, shut up.

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DaNgerSteVe
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 1:12:24 AM
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technically it is possible to do a remake in less than a year.

1. they need to reuse the characters from advent children and crisis core to know that off.
2.all they need is a new engine, have voice overs, and improve the magic

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tes37
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 1:33:21 AM

Day one - skip the coffee and the bs, well maybe not the coffee, although I don't drink it. Have artists immediately begin work on recreating environments, while management proceeds to pull their heads out of their *sses and begins using oxygen again.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 12:51:15 PM

They can use the engine they used for FFXIII

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Alienange
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 1:34:01 AM
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Alright screw the FFVII remake. Just move on to the FFVIII remake.

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tes37
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 1:42:50 AM

I thumbed you up because I thought you typed "move on to the FFXIII remake", but I'd take an VIII remake anyway, so the thumb still stands.

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MysteriousMagus
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 1:48:34 AM

I wish... still liked VIII more than VII...

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Deathstriker
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 4:42:52 AM

Ya I agree both FFVII & FFVIII where the shit, I think if Kojima remade MGS from PSX and SE remade FFVII & III. I'd totaly suck a dudes dick...and I'm homophobic.

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Gamer Girl Gemo
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 6:40:37 AM

@Alienange

Hell yes! That would be amazing! VIII was my very first FF I ever played. It was bomb and a remake would absolutely make my day. Ahh... How we can dream. :)

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ArnoldK PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 2:12:36 AM
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Square-Enix are a bunch of idiots. 10-12 years is complete BS.

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www
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 5:10:49 AM

Where are my car reviews.. ;)

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WolfCrimson
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 10:24:21 AM

Oh, wait, I know you... I think you were... one of the producers here? Oh wait, I mean reviewers. Damn, it really has been that long ;P

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Highlander
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 8:58:13 PM

Indeed!

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BTNwarrior
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 2:21:26 AM
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let me get this straight, the story is already 100% done, the layout of all the maps and levels are already 100% done, and all the character and monster design is 100% done. I can totally see why this would take 10 years to make.

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Fane1024
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 3:51:52 PM

I agree with the sentiment (and the sarcasm), though IF they did it in 3D, they would need to re-do all the levels from scratch. If they did it in 2D...then why even bother?

If someone wants a 2D(-ish) FFVII with everything the way it was in the original, they should just play the original. It's only $10 on PSN.

If someone wants a game that looks like Advent Children, they should understand that it won't play ANYTHING like the original.

People who love the game the way it is WON'T LIKE ANY CHANGES. People who want the story, but with 21st-century gameplay, WON'T LIKE THE THINGS THAT AREN'T UPDATED.

Lose-lose.

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ShadowRunner
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 2:35:34 AM
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I think this means FFVII environment is at least 3 to 4 times bigger than the whole game of FFXIII !!!

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jaybiv
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 2:39:35 AM
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Some people just don't like making insane amounts of money. More money...more problems.

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convergecrew
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 2:41:27 AM
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"But if any such situation came about by any remote chance, then yes, we'd do it!"

What the hell is this supposed to mean? How does the situation of a development team and 100 million dollars of funding come about by remote chance?

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CHAOS THEORY X
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 2:42:46 AM
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Ok, for real I think the only way $E is gonna do this is if we organize some sort of event where we all send our request directly to them, cause they are oblivious to their fans demands which are important to their success, its hard to see a favorite gaming franchise go downhill...wow I am drunk./.

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main_event05
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 6:31:04 AM

If you have a plan of action let me know. i'll be 1st on that bandwagon.

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totozero18
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 6:33:52 AM

SIGN HERE TO MAKE IT COME TRUE
60590 Total Signatures

http://www.petitiononline.com/ff7remke/petition.html

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convergecrew
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 3:19:50 AM
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Ive decided to not waste any more breath talking about SE. Lets instead talk about:

Tanith Belbin.

Yowza!

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frostface
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 6:45:30 AM

I had to google that name, not being Canadian/American and all, but oh hell frakkin yeah it was worth it!

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Jawknee
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 3:40:32 AM
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riiiiiiiiight...

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fstop
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 4:05:33 AM
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I've now (really this time) lost all hope for an FFVII remake...Dah well!
Moving on to FFXIII.
After playing WKC and Star Ocean, I'm dying for something in the FF Universe.

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Deleted User
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 4:07:44 AM
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What confuzzles me is why people continually keep asking for a FF 7 remake...not only is it NOT going to happen but it wouldn't make sense...why would you want Square Enix to rehash old games and sell it to you as new? If people bought a FF 7 remake like hotcakes, it would prove to Square Enix that they don't need to make new games and innovate. They could keep feeding you old stuff with updated graphics/sound and be raking in the dough. We want developers to look towards the future, NOT the past! It just makes absolutely no sense to make why people would want a remake of a game, no matter how good it is. If anyone has a good exlanation, please explain.

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fstop
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 4:46:25 AM

There is no good explanation other than it's for the love of the game.
I think we all want to go back to those nostalgic days. We cling to the thought of thinking we would somehow get lost in that world again...it was THAT enjoyable to play.
If you want a reasonable explanation you'll never get it. All we can give you is unreasonable, undeniable, biased opinions. We just love the game that much...it's really hard to explain even for a die hard FFVII fan.
Yet, you are correct we should be more concerned with what developers do for the future.
I have a question though. If we fans are crazy enough to spend X amounts of MONEY on something old with new graphics, as a company (who's only existence is to make MONEY from people) why wouldn't you want to make that MONEY?
The only answer is the loss is far greater than the gain.


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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 12:55:52 PM

We DO want them to look at the past, because the past is where the glory days of RPGs and Square are. The future and their innovation has so far equaled mediocre games. We want our old Square back, not this roving blabbering unstoppable idiocy we have been getting.

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Oyashiro
Sunday, February 21, 2010 @ 4:00:10 AM

@World - THIS!^

The thing is SE as a whole are only producing mediocre(at best) games this generation. The only good games they have put out where Crisis Core(Spin off), FF DS remakes, Chrono Trigger(port). But there was a ray of hope, a shining beacon in the darkness... The World Ends With You. Playing that made me think that SquarSOFT may not be completely dead after all. But since then they have hardly giving that IP the time of day and oped instead for these bland, horrible games that are supposed to appeal to the west.

There is a reason for people wanting them to remake games. And its because we are losing faith that they can create anything new that would be worth the $60+ we spend on there games.

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Mitsuharu
Sunday, February 21, 2010 @ 4:45:43 PM

But Square-Enix is already releasing rehashes of old games...

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Fane1024
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 3:57:43 PM

@ World

True, but the same people who are making the lame games now would be making the FFVII remake. Do you want them to ruin your beloved game? Because they probably would.

I agree with EducAsian. Just because S-E are making all the wrong decisions when it comes to how to update the JRPG for the 21st century doesn't mean that shouldn't be the goal. Prettier cut scenes only go so far.

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Qubex
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 4:14:08 AM
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For me that statement indicates that FFXIII was "easier" and "shorter" to make because it was multi-platform... In other words, what they are saying, is doing a FFVII remake specifically for the PS3 as an exclusive would actually mean putting in a huge amount of effort to make it stand out, to make it a 1080p masterpiece...

To me it is another attack on the franchises exclusivity!

Q!

"i am home"

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Vivi_Gamer
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 4:38:10 AM
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As far as i'm concerned, Final Fantasy VII was a masterpiece (I think that is a well deserved title) for the Playstation 1. as shown alone by the re-release on the PS Store, it is still just as popular/playable today. I don't want S-E to dwell on it, I'd rather they make a new Final Fantasy than waste time re-hashing an old masterpiece. People's expectations will be to high. It won't even be appreciated so i ask you, what is the point, they've already made 4 spin offs, due to the fan service and look what its done, While i did like Advent Children and Crisis Core.the story is now left with out a conclusion.

Just think for a moment about bringing a game like FFVII to a current gen console:

Voice Acting - They will have to record all the dialouge put into the game, which is quite alot.

Battle System - Will a modern auidience accpet a turn base battle system.... probaly not, so they'd have to find an effective way to make the material system link with the new battle system they make.

World Map - Can you imagine what it will take to make a map like that look like in modern standard, people would not expect just a little town icon and flat lands. They'll expect something simular to oblivion which i just cant see being done.

Story - Will it remain the same or will they tweak it, either will leave people moaning.

When they say it would take a decade to do, while it may be a slight (only slight) overstatment, it's understandable why they act hesisitant.

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Alienange
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 12:27:16 PM

Damn straight. It didn't take 10 years to make Lost Odyssey though and I for one would take a FFVII remake that was similar to the level of graphics found there. Nor do I think every NPC in a FFVII remake needs to be voiced. Can't we get an upgraded FFVII without it having to rival FFXIII?

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Vivi_Gamer
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 1:32:39 PM

Lets face it, if they remade it and it wasn't up to the standard of the current gen, it would get slated.

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Highlander
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 7:50:33 PM

Slight? LOL! There's an understatement.

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BigBoss4ever
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 5:11:46 AM
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12 years for a re-make is pure bullshitting. if you dont want to remake it, just admit and say it, dont use these nonsense to lie, gamers are mature and smart, pretty easy to figure out this is not true.

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Shatterday
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 5:44:14 AM
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I think this is a throwback to the FF13 reviews and semi-explanations. Towns are gone because it would take too much time and space on a disk to have good graphics in each and every town you come across, plus the world map.
I think now more than ever we're seeing the sacrifice of story and content to graphics. It's sad that it's in my favorite genre too.

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Qubex
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 6:16:08 AM

Completely agree with what you are saying... it seems to be true!

Q!

"i am home"

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main_event05
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 6:34:42 AM

My gut tells me it has everything to do with it going multiplat.

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Dancemachine55
Monday, February 22, 2010 @ 4:48:15 PM

How about a hi-def, cell-shaded FF? No where near as much detail needed, still looks artistic and beautiful, and will take less time for the designers?

Anyone up for that?

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totozero18
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 6:18:23 AM
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All right, forget it!!! I'm starting a remake myself I'll just need a programmer and a 3D scripter, I'll do teh modeling myself.
WHO'S IN?!

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fstop
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 12:31:58 PM

LOL! I thought the same thing!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 12:58:50 PM

Sure wouldn't take 12 years.

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main_event05
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 6:33:34 AM
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Wouldn't it be a real kick in the ass if they are just screwing with us and its been in development since advent children. Speaking of which wasn't that s'posed to be made into a game too? I thought they had a whole slew of FFVII spin offs.

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Gamer Girl Gemo
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 6:38:09 AM

@mainevent05

As I've said in my recent comment post, they're keeping us on our toes so we won't just bail on them. I'll handle thumbs down for this one... AKA: Media whores? xD

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totozero18
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 6:39:15 AM

Somehow I keep telling myself that, but I don't want to have any expectations on it

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Gamer Girl Gemo
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 6:41:58 AM

@totozero18

I know what you mean, but if they don't want all that money, it's cool. Not everyone likes money ;)

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Gamer Girl Gemo
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 6:36:07 AM
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I can see where SE is coming from on this one, but I mean three to four times longer? Exaggeration much? Lie you said Ben, I am confused. It doesn't make any sense. It probably took them every bit of the first year to make the character's profiles, their relations, backgrounds, how the story ties in, slight plot twists, environments, dialouge... Well, the list goes on. And it seems to me that they're just trying to put it off. Giving off that vibe of, "Been there, done that, over it."
I would find it an amazing oppurtunity to take advantage of their company's most widely known figures of FF and just bring it back, better than before. If SE is in for the money, obviously they are by going multiplat, then they would be rolling in the MOTHERLOAD with this remake. SE is in some pretty high demand right now and it seems like they love the spotlight and they're keeping us on our toes to keep us with them. Good thing too, considering their possible loss of fans from going multiplat with FFXIII.
Maybe I'm looking into things too much, but it just seems that way to me. Excuse the lengthiness of this, but look at Naughty Dog and how fast they put out the gorgeous Uncharted 2... Didn't even take three years to make that beauty. Why can't you just follow suit SE? Bleck.

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Highlander
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 7:49:19 PM

No, sorry, you can't extrapolate linearly from FFXIII to a remake of FFVII. For a start the basics story boarding is already done - the original game exists. The basic character art already exists and simply needs to be updated, new music and sound along with a complete HD graphics remodeling are required as it a game engine for the turn based combat. but of course a graphics engine and most of the game engine has already been built for FFXIII.

Even if we did accept the 3-4 times longer than FFXIII timeline, does that mean that FFVII is 3-4 times the game that FFXIII is?

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Fane1024
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 4:10:55 PM

...and the new character models were done for Advent Children.

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JackC8
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 6:58:30 AM
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I get a chuckle out of how they previously said that FFXIII is really linear because they needed 30 hours to set up the story properly. Now it seems pretty obvious that the reason it's linear is that it would have been too much work otherwise.

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totozero18
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 7:10:07 AM
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petitiononline. com/mod_perl/signed. cgi?ff7remke

This is mah signature

"56019. Gonzalo Totorica This game ruled in South America, please leave Xbox out of this..."

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Karosso
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 7:52:39 AM
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I hope we never get a remake... It will end up on the R.I.P.360 and that would cause me more grief than not having it.

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Buckeyestar
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 7:54:32 AM
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This is BS from Square. They already have the combat system, character designs and story that would be the same. The only thing they'd have to redo is the graphics, and some of the character models are already done from Advent Children.

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Shatterday
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 8:10:05 AM

Yeah... everyone tells me redoing the graphics is just like re-wallpapering. Piece of cake!

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Kr3sn1k
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 8:07:28 AM
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I'm guessing they know if they try to remake the game everyone will hate them why because it will be nothing like the original the end

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Mamills
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 9:32:40 AM
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LOL! HAHA, they better get started then

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SvenMD
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 9:52:56 AM
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Im just really getting tired of S-E's excuses. I don't understand why, but they really have gone down as a company. I truly believe they are spreading themselves too thin across too many platforms...consoles, portable, mobile phones.....

Just do ONE thing...and do it RIGHT

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redman479
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 10:31:17 AM
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Pure unadulterated BS!!!!!

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LittleBigMidget
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 12:25:12 PM
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LAZYNESS!!!!! If its going to take that long they should have gotten started 3 yrs ago

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Maas8701
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 2:30:14 PM
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Once again Square-enix falls on their balls. I have played HD mods of FF7 which fans have made and they look great and created when they had some spare time! All square has to do is upgrade the sprites and the backgrounds to HD! They wouldn't even need to change the music. They could do it in 6 months. When's the last time Square produced a good (original) game since becoming enix?

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Fane1024
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 4:13:41 PM

Why would anyone buy that game when they can get the original for $10?

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dirtyepic
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 5:18:43 PM
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Is it really that hard to fathom? FFXIII had a development team of over 300 people. Do you really think they would allocate those kinds of resources to a remake, taking people off of the long-term projects that are the bread and butter of the company? It's a serious resource sink and though it may pay off in the end, it's a risk, it delays other projects, and honestly it's not cost-effective (sorry).

And those who are saying it'd be so easy to just "update the graphics" frankly don't have the slightest clue what they're talking about. Have you ever tried parallel vector programming for a Cell processor? It's a complete paradigm shift. You're basically learning to program from scratch all over again. And the only decent engine Square has for Cell is Crystal Tools. To port FFVII to Crystal Tools would require a complete ground-up rebuild. With a small development team, I can easily see how it would take a decade to complete.

If we were talking about a refresh done on a contemporary processor such as the PSX or even the 360, then that would probably be doable if they wanted. But here he is specifically talking about "if we were to recreate final Fantasy VII with the same level of graphical detail as you see in Final Fantasy XIII" ie. on the PS3.

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Highlander
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 7:46:42 PM

Complete rubbish. 10 years? Rubbish. The whole point of the current generation of console is that they are powerful enough that the graphics engines can render games in real time with little or no pre-rendering required. The big pieces to game development these days are art, design and graphics engine. It doesn't take 10 years to build a decent graphics engine (especially when they already have one) and unless they only have one capable artist, it can't possible take that long to design and model the characters and environments needed.

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RustEDalex
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 5:24:07 PM
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Could make it for the PSP and cut the time by more then half

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bridgera
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 6:44:10 PM
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Here's the problem:

"If we were to recreate final Fantasy VII with the same level of graphical detail as you see in Final Fantasy XIII"

Dear Square Enix,

Awesome Game with Good Graphics > Good Game with Awesome Graphics

Graphics are great and all, but really, a FFVII remake would not HAVE to be as detailed as FFXIII. Really, at this point, it seems that all your company cares about is graphics, and not anything else.

Certainly you can do a FFVII remake, put it at 720p, and it'll look a LOT better than the original FFVII.

That's all people want, every last detail of every game doesn't have to be uber graphics....

.... I'd rather have FFXIII have towns, than Uber graphics, towns and great graphics would suffice.

Oh and trohpies, people want the FFVII remake to have trophies.

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Gamer Girl Gemo
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 7:28:36 PM

@bridgera

I'm going to have to slightly disaggree with you on the whole, SE is only in for graphics... See, with FFXIII going multiplat, it only weakens the quality of the graphics. Have you noticed that most multiplat games are not really the best graphics that it could have been an exclusive? (Except ACII, which held beautiful graphics.) SE is in for money more than anything else. It makes sense. Offer the game to a bigger variety of people, rack in more cash for the developers. Graphics may have gone down, but we have nothing to compare it to so... Jackpot for SE.
And SE is just too darn lazy to even attempt a remake of VII. It would not take so long for a game to be made. It doesn't even take a decade or so to make a console if you have dedicated workers, which SE seems to have a good supply of. So, once again back to my statement, they're just lazy and don't really want to go back to their old franchise for a remake. Makes no sense, but they don't care about what we fans want, they're just doing what they think would be best for them.

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Banky A
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 7:02:02 PM
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Ok Square-Enix, okay...

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Highlander
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 7:44:16 PM
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I'm with Sweedie on this one and call total BS on Square Enix for making such a stupid statement. The only reason it took them so bloody long with FFXIII is that they developed the game three times and once while they were learning the platforms. The first time they built for the PS3 which they then essentially scrapped and rebuilt for both the PS3 and 360 (1 + 2 = 3).

Are they saying that they have to pre-render every frame of action to ensure we get high quality? In which case their game engine must seriously suck if it can't render graphics in real time.

10-12 years to re-do FFVII? Does that mean that FFVII is 3 times the game that FFXIII is? That's the implication. Complete rubbish. I can see it taking a long time to build and design all the HD models and art, but the game is being rendered in real time by the console, not pre-rendered, so once those models are done, the engine does the heavy lifting. I can't see any reason why a game like FFVIII would take a decade to bloody well make, that's just stupid. 10 years? That's 1 and a half console generations for God's sakes, stupidity. IMHO Square Enix are BSing liars if they are honestly saying it would take more than a decade to make a remake of FFVII. Holy crap in 10 years there's be 5 generations of Intel CPU, g generations of GPU improvement and at least two console generations would exist. Are they really saying it'd take longer to remake FFVII than it would to design, research and built an entirely new video console?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 9:41:22 PM

that's what they are saying.

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Akuma07
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 10:20:35 PM
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Squeenix are full of crap.

I do not believe for one minute it would take that long to do it.

There are alot of implecations of that comment.

Some of which, is:
1) The squeenix team isn't good enough to make a amazing game in 3 years.
2) FFVII remake would be 4 times the game XIII is
3) They don't care about their fans
etc etc

XIII took a long time, because they had to get used to the PS3 tech, plus they had to recreate the game for the 360 and refused to give us the PS3 version until the 360 one was complete.

-Minor story and location changes.
-Minor dialogue changes.
-More sidequests/secrets.
-Making Yuffie and Vincent MAIN characters this time, instead of secrets.
-Complete upgrade of the graphics and cutscenes.
-Trophies.

Sorry guys, that would take any GOOD developer about 2 years i reckon. Longer if they wanted to make it perfect. And this is coming from a multimedia developer.

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BikerSaint
Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 11:17:25 PM
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The stench of MS's money is simply gotten way too overpowering at SE headquarters, seeing as it's turned all of SE's brains to pure unadulterated bullsh!t.

SE should have made MS add an extra clause in their contract, so that a dozen 15 wheeler sludge trucks would always be on 24 hour standby to suck their craniums clean, whenever the aroma oozing out of their ears got too pungent.

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Sunday, February 21, 2010 @ 12:55:02 AM
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The gaming industry is already a mess with all these developers milking every single penny out of you with DLC the worse case scenario is Capcom who charged you for ALTERNATE COSTUMES (SF4) and then content that was already on the disc but you had to pay to unlock it (RE5) now you want developers to re-make OLD games and continue milking the cow? It's just absolutely ridiculous. FF 7 is in the PAST. We are living in the HERE and NOW. Fanboys really need to get over the fact that FF 7 will most likely never be remade.

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totozero18
Sunday, February 21, 2010 @ 5:58:09 AM
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@ Gamer Girl Gemo
Truth is they do like money, M$ money, my last hope on Squeenix is that somehow Tetsuya Nomura gets enough leverage inside the company to start a project of his own choice.

@ RustEDalex I thought the same, I bet ppl would even buy a PspGo if it came in a bundle with teh remake. HECK! I'd even buy a "FF-VII Mod" for FF-X on PS2!!!

Square's fall begun with that tumor that used to be called Enix

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DemonNeno
Sunday, February 21, 2010 @ 9:23:38 AM
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S-E Is missing a huge point here. There are two wheels in motion with their comments and neither are being properly addressed!

First, their fan base. I think a lot of people are missing a huge part of what people want. The FFVII tech demo was great, but not their set standard. Fans would be happy with a lot less than what they were given to drool on.

Second, BUILDING BRIDGES! S-E made comments they should commit to. They should like other parties chime into the recreation of the game with a global supervision of the project. Hence, you give three dev crews assigned responsibilities and get the job done in a year.

They would benefit immensely, even if not financially. What they would learn from other devs (ie, let naughty dog handle graphics and in return they can "share" their dev styles for more competent computing processes for the Cell) and give to the community would essentialy be bending over backwards for their customers and, most importantly, loyal fans.

Look at industry as an entertainment industry. You see this everywhere. Musical bands/singers doing projects, movies with large popular casting crews, and most recently the jointed push for 3DHDTV.

Sure, you split your profits on what you're getting, but how much would S-E actually be doing if their "firms" are handling the project's modeling and having a few S-E devs supervising each one of their teams.

The way I look at it, the Gaming industry has too much greed working against them. Will the game take forever to build through S-E? Probably. Not because it's so incredibly complex, but likely due to how little they'll invest. They're not going to throw their dev brainchildren into a remake when they can hand it over to a smaller crew and do what they've been doing... "Trying".

Sometimes what you get for your efforts surpass any lost profit you'll see. For example, when fans become happy, what do they do? Buy more. Look at the GoW Series. Since the fanbase is so loyal and happy to see that their 3rd installment is MORE than they were anticipating after the E3 Demo we all played, people are grabbing the GoW Collection like it's a limited item!

Bottom line is the fan. You piss him or her off and you won't have one. Lieing to us about how long it'll take, how "impossible" it would be to produce towns, not cities, in this game, and how much work it'll take to restructure a game is retarded.

Also, to address some statements on this thread.

Dialog - You don't change it. You don't even NEED voices. I wouldn't give two shits about voices, in all honesty. It's an old game of a different generation. I think that "feeling" should still remain intact.

FMV - We don't need them! Make cut scenes real-time. If they don't blow our minds away with technical advancements, WHO CARES?! If it can look anywhere near as pretty as FFXIII, which it really doesn't HAVE TO, I'm sold and I'm sure hundreds of thousands of people would forgive them.

Towns - Ok, they need work. Don't rework them, though. Utilize your same towns in HD. Utilize shaders to give them the depth a polygon structure can bring and map them well.

Characters - You only need to make each character once. Different Armor and weapons are their only visual distinction.

World Map - Again, I want a remake, not a new game. You leave it intact. Map the image in 3D.

FFVII is a fabulous game. I still believe a remake is very possible and should be done! I hope people are willing to compromise for an updated game. If you want more, fine. Live without it. We need to be realistic. It IS a lot of work because of the length of the game. You can't expect it to be beyond this generations' graphics or a milestone in graphical achievements.

I just want a FFVII game where I can move in diagonal directions for Christs' sake! Some more detail here and there, high def resolutions and not so cheezy sound effects.

Anyone here agree?

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totozero18
Sunday, February 21, 2010 @ 10:29:47 AM
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@ DemonNeno, yeah agreed, as for the sound effects you gotta give Uematsu some credits the guy worked with just MIDI's and the ambience and music is TEH AWESOME. I wouldn't mind at all to have HD towns and then the good ol' world map, it could work as a cameo like the MGS1 flashback in MGS4...gotta leave it'll continue at home (yes I'm working now)

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TheTenth
Sunday, February 21, 2010 @ 10:30:53 AM
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absolutely stupid comment by the SE guys : they admit FFXIII is not fully developed as another game would take 3/4 more time, and even that is particularly stupid as the development time was longer because they did it on 2 platforms (maybe 2.5 years for PS3 and 1 year for X360) ; their mouth is so full of Microsoft's money they can't say interesting things anymore

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Ravagerfromhell
Sunday, February 21, 2010 @ 10:51:13 AM
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im a giant fan of FFVII and i would love for them to make a remake of it. but i understand why they say it would take so long to make. Its mainly because of the graphics, its the same reason they didn't include cities in FFXIII, and we all know that the cities are very important in FFVII. without them we'd loose half the game alone. at the same time i dont see why they couldn't try and make one that has atleast ps2 graphics. but i think we can all agree its not gonna happen until the process of making cities with such detail can be done more efficiently.

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Wasted87
Sunday, February 21, 2010 @ 12:17:33 PM
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They are giving a real reason why they wont do it and probably an accurate time frame. What there not telling you straight up is that they aren't willing to dedicate they're full resources. True, a remake would be profitable but not profitable enough to dedicate more than a small portion of they're resources. so say they only dedicate 20% to the remake, considering only the die hard fans would buy the remake cause the original is available off psn for 20$-30$ and the remake is gonna be full price. so in order to make it profitable it will take them 5 times longer in this instance while all current projects, the true cash crops, will only be working at 80% and that looses money for them. personally i still have 1 unopened copy and another that is in good condition that i still play. i'd still by a remake though:D but that said, i think they will wait till they don't have any really big/consuming projects left in they're arsenal before they can even consider financially undertaking the remake cause they will be loosing money on everything else for all those years that they're working on it. realistically we probably wont see the remake until SE is almost ready to go under... or we can hope some rich fan-boy privately sponsors the project:)

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actrambley21
Sunday, February 21, 2010 @ 2:29:21 PM
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To all of you people who keep saying that SE is doing this because they don't want to make money: Please be quiet. Do you honestly think that a company is against making MONEY?!

I believe that this statement is one of two things.

1) They are not as convinced as the entire gaming community that the game would sell well, meaning that they're obviously not willing to put the time and money into development of something that's not guaranteed to give them a return.

2) They simply don't want to make the game. As much as I would love to have a FFVII game in HD, they don't have to make it to survive as a company.

Realistically, how many other games out this generation are complete re-makes of old games? I can't think of any off the top of my head. I can almost guarantee you that there would be a portion of the gaming community that would love the re-make, and would have no qualms whatsoever with it's design (as long as they didn't change anything drastically). However, I also believe that there would be a LARGE portion of the gaming community that would lambast SE for making a "next gen" game that still followed by the old gaming style, or that followed the exact same story. People, especially gamers, are really pissy nowadays, and they're one of the most fickle markets in entertainment.

And this is the point that I'm getting at. I believe that this statement is a lie. No confusion, it's a straight up lie. The lie, however, is a way for them to deter from the truth of the matter, whatever that may be. It's just a shame that the company feels the need to lie to their audience instead of telling them the truth.

Don't believe that SE would lie? What about the images they released to prove the PS3 and 360 version looked identical? It was proven that they photoshopped the images to appear as if they were on the 360, while it was the PS3 version being displayed.

They released images that were supposed to be from both consoles, but really they were from the PS3 version and photoshopped to look like the 360 version. Problem being, how could they capture the EXACT same image twice for both consoles, with everything being in the EXACT same place? I cry foul.
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/8995/merge.jpg

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3076/merge.gif

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nad
Sunday, February 21, 2010 @ 7:15:45 PM
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I remember reading on this site that S-E ddnt include any cities in ff13 bcoz they wd take a huge ampunt of time to make in HD.
FF7 had a billion cities so im guessing that is why it wd take 12 yrs to remake.

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PHOENIXZERO
Sunday, February 21, 2010 @ 10:24:42 PM
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At least six months of that time was due to the scrapped PS2 version, where life began for FFXIII and probably even more.

The over world map issue MIGHT have been a problem but that could easily just be done the old fashion way (I want to be able to fly/control airships again dammit) so then there's the towns which for some reason is really hard Square to do apparently. Like what was already said, a huge amount of the work is already done.

Truth of the matter is that it's an excuse for try to fend off the Final Fantasy VII fanboys. But Square did it to themselves with that teaser. Personally I have zero interest in a remake since I played it several times over 12 years ago. The resources would be much better spent on new things.

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schwapp
Monday, February 22, 2010 @ 12:46:35 AM
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I can't believe there are so many people mad that S-E won't put the time and resources into remaking a game so many of you have already played to death.

You have the original. You have the digital download from the PSN. Move the eff on with your lives.

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Andysw
Monday, February 22, 2010 @ 7:31:36 AM
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I can understand that development can be lengthy and time consuming. But 10 years is very exaggerrating. And the only reason why final fantasy XIII took so long to complete are because that development first started on the playstation 2 before they scrapped it and had to redo everything on the playstation 3 AND the 1 year delay because of the xbox 360. Add them all up and you get 5+ years.

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DeathOfChaos
Monday, February 22, 2010 @ 9:26:46 AM
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I still don't get why they just can't borrow from Advent Children Complete for character designs or something. They have the main structure of it at least with characters, just put their old cloths back on, and the characters are pretty much done. Just gotta get them able to animate and controllable. But also, that game has a LOT in it. They would actually be recreating a very large game. That whole world map, all the areas, the weapons, everything would have to made up from scratch. They couldn't just take the original surroundings and just implement them, they would have to rebuild all the stuff. I think that's where all the time would be coming from. Versus XIII has been in production since 2003. That's 7 years!! So the way I look at it, Versus XIII is going to be the scale of what an FFVII remake would be, just the FFVII wouldn't be an Action RPG, lol. The scale of things ould be huge, they wouldn't want to remake it and it turn out like crap, they'd want to create something mind blowing.

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NeoHumpty
Monday, February 22, 2010 @ 10:37:06 AM
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I know it's an old article, but I can't help but add. Hasn't it occurred to them to make the remake for PSP? It would be a HUGE system seller.

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MCsephiroth1313
Monday, February 22, 2010 @ 8:17:00 PM
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If they do end up making a remake, which is obviously leaning on slim chances, I just hope they don't put in voiceovers. We don't want the voiceacting to be as crappy as it was in the movie

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MrAnonymity
Monday, February 22, 2010 @ 10:57:04 PM
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Hm... As said by NeoHumpty, the PSP would be a strong alternative. Crisis Core is such a huge testament to the power of the PSP and I am sure it can be made to do even more. I, for one, am all for FFVI being remade on the PSP as opposed to the DS. (<-- Off topic) Honestly, though... a remake in SOME form would be pretty epic, even if it was on the PSP. I'd settle. Fo' sho'.

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ThEuNdYiNg1
Tuesday, February 23, 2010 @ 8:30:12 PM
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i can see why they won't do it, and its not because they are lazy, they are probably trying to save it for a 20 year anniversary or something like final fantasy 1 and 2 for psp.

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