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Square-Enix On Final Fantasy: "No Singular Aim" For FFXV

Square-Enix has already warned us that their RPG flagship franchise, Final Fantasy, could go in a very different direction with the next installment. They said Final Fantasy XIII might be the last "traditional" FF; the last "recognizable" one to fans of the classics.

As much as many of the fans don't like this idea, they should know S-E is definitely considering just about anything for Final Fantasy XV. As reported by Connected Consoles citing the latest issue of Xbox world 360, FFXIII producer Yoshinori Kitase left everything entirely open-ended by saying:

"We’ve got a few ideas for Final Fantasy XV lined up, but there is no singular aim for where we want the series to go. Final Fantasy can go in all directions, each one is very different from the last. The one thing we set out to do is to make sure we tell a story that hasn’t been told before."

Okay, can we at least assume it'll still be an RPG? Or is even that too much to assume? Might they be taking a similar route as Konami with Metal Gear Solid, where Rising is supposed to be more of an action/adventure title without much in the way of stealth? Or could it be even more of a dramatic departure? We already know that FFXIII sports plenty of differences that have thrown avid followers of the series; that's clearly the start of a trend. I suppose it's too much to ask that we go back to turn-based...maybe S-E could work super hard to perfect that older mechanic and add all sorts of unique spice to it. But I know it's a pipe dream.

2/26/2010 9:09:40 PM Ben Dutka

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djbool
Friday, February 26, 2010 @ 9:34:57 PM
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I missed the days of turn-based RPGs. They just seemed to be a heck of alot more fun to me. Maybe times were just simpler

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SolidFantasy
Friday, February 26, 2010 @ 10:23:29 PM

*ODs on nostalgia*

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OtisFeelgood
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 12:36:23 AM

I miss the classic turn-based RPGs. =\

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 1:05:02 PM

*snorts nostalgia*

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tes37
Friday, February 26, 2010 @ 9:58:26 PM
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Why call it Final Fantasy if it's not going to be recognizable? It hope it doesn't turn out to be the Final F**kup instead.

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shadowscorpio
Friday, February 26, 2010 @ 10:03:00 PM
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Square Enix should make one more FF title and call it "The Final Fantasy" and move on to trying to make a new flagship IP if all they're going to do is continue to make newer installments "unrecognizable".

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godsman
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 12:00:24 AM

Even if they strip away the RPG element, change it to FPS, use the setting in WWII, change all characters to Call of Duty soldiers, but leave the name "Final Fantasy" in. Unfortunately still sell millions to the JRPG fans. That is the powerful the name is. Square Enix probably just laughing themselves to sleep.

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Dancemachine55
Friday, February 26, 2010 @ 10:03:09 PM
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I'm interested in seeing where they go with this. Personally, I don't play MMO's, I prefer a good single player or party multiplayer experience.

The new direction SE are heading in might not be a bad thing. Look at what Capcom did with Resident Evil 4. It was completely different from traditional entries, but was their best work yet!!!

Unfortunately, I may have to give FF XIV a skip. Especially if it has additional online fees to play.

As for the traditional turn based system, I miss it and loved it all. FF VII and FF VIII are two of my favourite RPG's from yesteryear. Pokemon Silver was my handheld game of choice many years ago. My GB Color never left my side.

I am personally sad to see Asian developers try to change their gameplay to "appeal" to Western audiences. The difference between the two developer genres are what make each one unique. By all means, improve the quality, but don't change the gameplay and mechanics entirely.

Too many open-world, RPG FPS or TPS clones are making their way out. I'm honestly getting bored with them. A great story gets me everytime, this is why I love Uncharted 2 and Heavy Rain so much, it makes you WANT to keep playing and seeing what's next.

As for FF and its future, we can only hope that SE know what they're doing and pray that they hear the call of the fans, whether it's Eastern or Western fans.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, February 26, 2010 @ 11:09:30 PM

FFXIV is the MMO, not XV.

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Riku994
Friday, February 26, 2010 @ 10:03:24 PM
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I can see FFXV veing released in 2020 and being a fps...

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NeoHumpty
Friday, February 26, 2010 @ 11:58:02 PM

Nah. Everybody knows it will be an online Chocobo based Kart Racer.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, February 26, 2010 @ 10:10:22 PM
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Well, if this one goes too far into left field I (who was sucked in since the first FF) will have to actually abandon the series. I'll probably always play them, but XIII could likely be the last 1st day buy. It is so sad when a company abandons its fans and ruins a series. Might as well make it xbox exclusive if its gonna suck.

For gods sake go back to the roots, make it turn based, do SOMETHING that the fans want. Screwing up the next FF will really be SE's ticket to death.

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tes37
Friday, February 26, 2010 @ 10:15:32 PM

I don't think they believe they're abandoning their fanbase. It looks as if they want to experiment at the expense of their fans. Keep the name to try and keep the money flowing.

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shadowscorpio
Friday, February 26, 2010 @ 10:15:12 PM
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Well said. Which developer has actually listened to fans and not profitted from it? I'm actually asking..

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Oyashiro
Friday, February 26, 2010 @ 10:19:38 PM
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"They said Final Fantasy XIII might be the last "traditional" FF; the last "recognizable" one to fans of the classics."

I'm not to sure what is supposed to be recognizable to fans of the classics about FFXIII.

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shadowscorpio
Friday, February 26, 2010 @ 11:17:53 PM

The only thing I can think of would be the magic and monsters.

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rell
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 11:43:34 AM

@shadowscorpio Oh God! I hope not thats wat keep the ff series gameplay awesome, Im biting my nails on this one, I dont trust Wada. Playb3yond

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eLLeJuss
Friday, February 26, 2010 @ 10:28:28 PM
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Well, change isn't always bad i guess.

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Kowhoho
Friday, February 26, 2010 @ 10:29:58 PM
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If they lose their identity with their old fans, they run the risk of losing FF's power as a brand name. Could bite them in the ass.

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CHAOS THEORY X
Friday, February 26, 2010 @ 10:31:41 PM
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I know which way theyre going...down. Soon we will have Final Fantasy Football...WHA?

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main_event05
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 10:15:05 AM

If they made a polished blitzball game or a collection of just the mini games from the entire series, I'd buy it.

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Russell Burrows
Friday, February 26, 2010 @ 10:54:40 PM
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Yeah.....sure Square Enix lets have the next FF be twisted beyond any recognition.........like a FF beach assault shooter with lightning/fire/ice/poison effects bullets since hey we need a shooter like we need more shovelware....bah!!

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Scarecrow
Friday, February 26, 2010 @ 10:56:25 PM
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KISS was like this (they were crap for many years. And they even admitted it)

Metallica was like this (they haven't made a GREAT album since The Black Album)

WWF was like this (and since The Rock left it's been a joke)

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As history shows. Any series that was good, always goes south when they start "to make everything different then what they had established."

Poor Squeeeeeeeeeeeenix

How 'bout making a Smurf Fantasy XV?

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DIsmael85
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 1:52:18 AM

Actually from a musician stand point, Load and Reload were very well done. It was just different for all those who think they sold out. Besides Metallica, I think Final Fantasy has become just that. They should stop while they have that MMO coming out. It's just to sad to think the series is dying fast now. I still think Lost Odyssey was a better RPG than FF13, but oh well. To many gamers these days hate traditional RPG's and we'll never see it come back. Shame.

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Mr Bitey
Friday, February 26, 2010 @ 11:18:51 PM
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Wait I thought that idiot Wada said they they were going to "move on" to "new types of games" and "whether we are going to continue to internally create this type of game remains to be seen".

They should really fire him before he destroys the company.

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main_event05
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 10:16:52 AM

Can we get a petition going demanding he be fired? lol.

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shadowscorpio
Friday, February 26, 2010 @ 11:21:08 PM
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As far as i'm concerned they already had the chance to experiment with their ff spinoffs. Time to get back to your roots square enix.

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shadowscorpio
Friday, February 26, 2010 @ 11:21:53 PM
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Square enix are you even listening? Or are u in bed with pride?

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Scarecrow
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 1:30:41 AM

Their pride is probably a nasty mucous with lots of cash stuck to it

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Qubex
Friday, February 26, 2010 @ 11:30:37 PM
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Quie simply if Squeeeeenix felt they wanted to end it and try something new, what I would have done is kept FFXIII exclusive, letting the PS community know that this would have been there best one yet, and maybe close out the series with a FFXIV as a final and true FF as an MMO for the PS3... and then be done with that...

I think sales for these two titles would have been incredible and there would have been no need to end the exclusivity of the franchise... they have dirtied it... nasty stuff really!

The end of this franchise may end up in a sad mess... who knows, but it sure looks like that...

Q!

"make.believe"

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FullmetalX10
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 9:00:55 AM

Q, I hope they are going to do that with Versus XIII and XIV now, instead of XIII and XIV like you said, there is still hope, I hope.

Come on Nomura, give us the last great Titan in the Final Fantasy franchise (and then go on with Kingdom Hearts).

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BikerSaint
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 12:00:12 AM
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No no!!!!!!!

Something wicked this way comes....

Final Mutant Fantasy Turtles
Final Dragon Fantasy Z Ball 7
Fantasy Combat, Final Ace
Final Warfare, Modern Fantasy 3
Final Metal Twisted Fantasy
Fantasy Madden, Final In 2011
Final Area, Fantasy 51
Fantasy Eye Toy Finals
Fantasy Call Of Final Duty....or......
Final Call of Fantasy Duty
Final Road: Rash Fantasies
Fantasy Hill is Finally Silent
Resident's Final Evil Fantasy
Fantasy Quake, Equals Final Doom
Tiger's Fantasy 2010, Was Woods Final
Final Kill In Fantasy Zone
Fantasy War God Finals
Turismo Fantasy, Gran Final
Final Life's Half Fantasy
Midnight Finale At Fantasy Club
Fantasy NBA Live Finals
Fantasy Hits, Final Man Standing




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tes37
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 1:35:24 AM

Final Apostasy.

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Snaaaake
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 8:01:40 AM

You forgot one:

Final God Of Fantasy.

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Nlayer
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 12:17:41 AM
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Wow, I would lose interest in Final Fantasy if they drifted too far away from the RPG setting. I mean really. I don't much care for FF spin-offs, I only like the main RPG aspect of it.

I do hope they go back to turn based gameplay. That is really the only right direction they could go, even though it is a step backwards for them. Although I doubt they would go back, it seems like they stopped caring. I wish Square would have remained without Enix. Biggest let-down for me. :(

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BikerSaint
Sunday, February 28, 2010 @ 8:16:26 PM

@tes37,
You forgot to also add the word "fantasy" somewhere in your title

@Snaaaake,
LOL, but "NO I didn't"...I already had GOW in my list.....
and since it's the end of Kratos trilogy......

"Fantasy War God Finals"

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LittleBigMidget
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 12:20:50 AM
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Final Call of Fantasy duty? *Preorders nao* I just put FF13 on Ebay an immediately got a buyer.

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piratedrunk
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 12:21:38 AM
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Aside from the multiplatform problem I am stoked with how FFXIII looks. I think trying new things can be great and keep things fresh.

I would love to see a FFVII remake as a way to pay homage to the old style that made the name what it is while creating new games that push forward in the series.

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LittleBigMidget
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 12:24:19 AM
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A FF7 remake? That'll take years!!!!!!!!! Sqaure isn't don bathing in Bill gates' money pool yet

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Jawknee
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 12:34:26 AM
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This is what happens to Japanese Developers who sell out to MS. They some how think they have to change their entire way of doing things to cater to the Xbot.(i.e. majority of western gamers)

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___________
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 12:51:33 AM
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how about returning the series to its old roots?
no more thats too hard BS and no more we had to make the game linear to tell the story.
just a wide open exploring game, like they use to be.

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Highlander
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 1:13:55 AM
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Final Fantasy is a role playing game. The various games do not follow one from another, nor should they.

For Final Fantasy XV, I think it's time for a return to the golden era of RPGs. Time for a good old fashioned game where the focus was the party, not one character. Turn based combat, strategy, skill systems, magic systems, item creation/enhancement, everything, throw it all in, and have a story that is deliberately set in a time that is ambiguous as to it's period so we can have technology from many era without it seeming wrong.

Story and character, strong story with exploration along the way, towns, NPCs, side quests and the like. You know, a good old fashioned JRPG romp.

Oh, and this time, Sony should make no bones about buying exclusivity. Square Enix backtracked on exclusivity on FFXIII, Sony needs to hold them to it on FFXV whenever it happens.

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main_event05
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 10:29:45 AM

True. I think thats something all developers should do. so far we got an 8 bit sequel to Megaman and soon a 2D return of sonic. Maybe Square should ditch Enix and make another epic FF in the style of the old SNES version.

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shadowscorpio
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 4:43:44 PM

Absolutely! Makes me remember the differences from FF 8 to FF 9...

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Alienange
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 1:18:47 AM
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Square Enix has to either just shut up or get themselves a real translator because something's wrong over there for sure.

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tes37
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 1:46:33 AM
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Maybe SE is getting tired of making games with 100 hrs of gameplay. A game with 100 hrs should take a lot longer to make than a 10 hr game. If both sell 4 million, the 10 hr game is the most profitable. Somebody is corrupting them and we're losing one of the finest rpg makers ever.

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Highlander
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 2:17:12 AM

I think their own internal struggle for visual perfection is what costs them more than anything. If you spend 80% of your development time polishing the final 10% of the game, you are bound to be less profitable, whether you have 100 hours of game play or 10.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 1:48:29 AM
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One definitely flew over the chocobo's nest over at SE.

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natho86
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 1:50:39 AM
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I just finnished final fantasy 7 for the 10th time,I have never played a game that pulls you in so much.

Who here has played a game multipul times over and really enjoyed it each time for the story,gameplay etc, not just for trophies.

If i was Square Enix i would make a game just like that.

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LittleBigMidget
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 2:42:59 AM
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I have. I call it Heavy Rain

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JackC8
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 6:55:23 AM
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Let's see how FFXIII and XIV turn out before we start worrying about XV.

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Strifewind
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 8:37:50 AM

I have to agree with you...

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chedison
Sunday, February 28, 2010 @ 3:10:24 PM

well XIV will be in its own little world/genre seeing as it's their new MMO... But regardless things look a little sketchy with that one too.

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FullmetalX10
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 9:07:45 AM
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Let's just hope these people get their things in order and make FFXV a turn-based PS3(or PS4)-Exclusive RPG, just for the fans.
Though that probably won't happen, we can still just hope...

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main_event05
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 10:22:02 AM
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I got an idea for the "Final" Fantasy. Since VII, IX, X (haven't played VIII) all have something to do with a "false reality" in a sense why not work with that bring all these guys together in a final monster of a game?

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T00MuchRazMataz
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 2:13:05 PM
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@MainEvent
I didn't play it, but wasn't that what Dissidia: FF did? It's on PSP and it's a RPG Fighter? Heard they might make it for PS3 though.

Now, I'm not a die-hard veteran fan like many of you are, but I'm just going to throw this out there. One person mentioned it, sort of.

A company like Square Enix, who is known for rewriting what a game is (mostly FFVII, and possibly FFXIII), they are constantly looking for new innovative ways to create games through gameplay and story. My prediction is that, with the upcoming new gaming controls for the PS3, they will want to incorporate this technology into their games.

Of course they will keep some sort of RPG element (leveling up in any way is all it takes to have that title now-a-days), but to throw in motion controls for battles and such would throw a huge curveball to the genre. Can you imagine yourself going through the motions of casting spells, swinging swords, firing guns, and whatever else?

I think this would be amazing fun. Throw in a memorable story that FF is known for, and you might have the greatest game ever created.

This could easily work for both turn based and real time, but probably better for turn based. I can understand everyone wanting SE to go back to their roots because thats where their favorite games of all time are from, but SE's goal as a game developer isn't to go backwards in terms of game creation.

I'm looking forward to FFXIII and the changes they decided to make, and I hope they continue to change things up to keep us entertained (cause face it, there are tooonnnssss of turn-based RPGs out there that are similar to the FF gameplay, that if you love it that much, you could play those games - and I'm not saying that is a bad thing)

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piratedrunk
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 2:36:46 PM

I think the motion controls would be fun for about the first 10 battles then get exceedingly annoying. I do like new ideas but I just can't see it working out well for games as long as these.

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shadowscorpio
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 4:56:21 PM

Turn-based is a style of gameplay that many enjoy. Why does it have to be seen as going backwards?

I believe developers can keep the style and be creative to continue to make it exciting with new elements thrown in.

I don't know why Devs like square enix can't take feedback from fans, gamers etc. pre development like devs do post development or when the game is near completion...

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bridgera
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 2:28:48 PM
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"The one thing we set out to do is to make sure we tell a story that hasn’t been told before"

Tell you what we haven't heard before.

A story about the Earth, Fire, Water, Wind Crystals, or Energy from the planet. No Final Fantasy game has ever had a theme revolving around that topic before *cough* I, IV, V,VII, XI *cough*.

Maybe a story that revolves heavily around summoned monsters *cough* IV, VI, VIII, IX, X *cough*.

Oh wait, that was XII, and it sucked.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 5:15:40 PM

Yeah, no it didn't.

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Jawknee
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 6:06:34 PM

XII was good.

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Nynja
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 7:59:44 PM

Every time I played XII, it just made me want to play FFXI. God I miss that game.

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T00MuchRazMataz
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 2:46:38 PM
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@Pirate
Yeeaahhhh I can see your point I guess. Maybe if it wasn't TOO involving/annoying to do. I just think it would give the battles a little more..pizazz? More meaning... and maybe more of a challenge.

Also, it would kind of force it to be PS3 exclusive :-D

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Gamer4Life
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 7:25:23 PM
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I don't get it. None of you are thinking like a business. You all act like FF fans were the majority of gamers worldwide. News flash: you were only a mere fraction! If you want to increase your profits you have to change things at some point otherwise you have to rely on word of mouth or hope that the same people live forever. I am one of the many new fans they've won with XIII just for changing their battle system alone. I can only tolerate turn-based in a game like pokemon where its one at a time. Believe it or not like everyone likes to micromanage battles.

Someone please explain to me what's so great about turn-based without being a douche about it please. Ya know none of this 'nOOb' crap or the like. I mean i tried 6, 7, 8, and 10. I enjoyed everything about them EXCEPT the battle system and that alone was the single reason i didn't finish either one. Turn-based is just highly irritating to me. As i stated earlier i TOLERATE it in pokemon, doesn't mean i like in that either.

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DeathOfChaos
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 8:52:42 PM

Your username is Gamer4Life...there's no way you're a gamer for life if you don't like one of the main old school game technique, lol.

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DeathOfChaos
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 8:52:51 PM

Your username is Gamer4Life...there's no way you're a gamer for life if you don't like one of the main old school game technique, lol.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, February 28, 2010 @ 12:25:26 AM

What's so great? It actually involves strategy and epic battles, you can only have a minuscule amount of either in a button masher or real time combat game. Strategy is what made the battles engaging.

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Nynja
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 7:55:58 PM
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Give me FF Tactics with a free roaming world and PS3 top of the line graphics. Why do all the SRPG games have to resemble the classic 8/16bit look? Give us something different from what has been offered lately... give us a Turn-based RPG.

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DeathOfChaos
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 8:47:32 PM
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You know, I honestly feel that after the FFXIII projects and FFXIV are finsihed, Final Fantasy is dead.I've been feelin' it since X-2...

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main_event05
Saturday, February 27, 2010 @ 9:13:15 PM

I agree. I think X-2 was the final breath of the series.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, February 28, 2010 @ 12:26:07 AM

X-2 still had one of the best battle systems no matter what you think of the game itself. It was turn based but still fast and furious.

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chedison
Sunday, February 28, 2010 @ 3:11:52 PM

Probably their peak. XII and now XIII is probably going too far. Changing the basics of a franchise that's loved for that reason isn't helping matters.

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Id00urmomma
Sunday, February 28, 2010 @ 4:12:13 PM
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Wouldn't it be FF XIV(14)? not XV(15).

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piratedrunk
Sunday, February 28, 2010 @ 6:23:40 PM

XIV is going to be online only. So XV is right.

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kraygen
Sunday, February 28, 2010 @ 8:12:38 PM
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i think its funny how so many ppl say that turn based is a thing of the past and yet every top ten list of everyone's favorite rpgs is nearly all turn based games. Evidently there must have been something great about turn based.

ff xv should bring back turn based gameplay.
Rpg's at its heart.

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Gamer4Life
Sunday, February 28, 2010 @ 8:47:45 PM
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@world
I can sort of see what you're saying about the strategy part, but i completely disagree about the epicness of battles. I have extremely epic battles in the likes of GOW, DMC, NG, etc. However to me there isn't much strategy besides finding out elemental weaknesses. And since I usally powerlevel through rpgs the bosses aren't usually tough for me because my weakest team member's level would be like 30 levels higher than the bosses and my strongest almost 15 higher than my weakest (yes i play favorites lol). This also ruins the game for me because it makes it too easy. That's one more reason y i like XIII. It seems they put a level cap on you at certain points in the story.

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berserk
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 7:39:44 AM
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Lol at ff 12-13 being traditional FF game . To me the only way to save the series is by going back to a turn based ff game with a world map like old days .Also getting full control over everyone would be great to have again .

For the past 2-3 year i had more fun replaying ps2/ps1 rpg then rpg i never played on recent console .

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