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What If Final Fantasy XIII Fails?

Typically, I despise the word "flop." I refuse to put it in any headline for any reason. It's just another one of those massively overused slang words that dominate the worst gaming forums on the planet, but in this particular case, it seems to fit the question.

Seriously, what if Final Fantasy XIII simply doesn't live up to expectations on both the critical and financial side? Square-Enix keeps saying they have "no singular aim" for the next official installment in the series (that's FFXV, not the MMO known as FFXIV), so might we see a drastic departure? If the game falls short of Square-Enix's lofty sales expectations in North America and Europe, what might they do with FFXV? Sure, about half of all the PS3 owners in Japan has FFXIII by now - not much of an exaggeration, either - but let's face it, we're talking about a very different audience. Perhaps the NA and EU audiences won't be so forgiving and if that happens, it may in turn result in lower-than-anticipated sales, and then...well, I'm not sure I want to know. I keep having nightmarish visions of some bizarre mutation of Final Fantasy combined with Call of Duty. I guess I'm just worried that it'll cease to even be an RPG, that the franchise I fell in love with all those years ago will become entirely unrecognizable to me.

But perhaps I'm overreacting. Maybe all this negativity surrounding FFXIII is only taking the limelight because it's so rare to see it in regards to the series. There's still plenty of glowing praise out there for the game and indeed, it vastly outstrips the admittedly vocal minority of those who say FFXIII isn't worth your time. I have little doubt I'll have fun with the game but I am concerned with the future direction. Oh, and I also want to know more about Final Fantasy Versus XIII; we really have next to nothing in the way of official info, and I'm waiting on that big unveiling. Even so, the idea that FF will become a very different animal in a few years is just a tad...unsettling.

Related Game(s): Final Fantasy XIII

3/1/2010 9:37:30 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (174 posts)

WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:00:55 PM
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Very unsettling, as to your question about what would happen if XIII flops, either in expectation or sales or both, one with a level head would assume that SE would go back to what worked so well and what sold so well (Namely a massive, exploratory world with towns and turn based battle).

However, we are talking about Square Enix here, they have lost whatever made them great in previous generations, I feel that they would only pull even further away from what works and try even more risky things to "advance" the series into the future. In this endeavor, should they choose it, they will inevitable fail and I too will mourn the death of the greatest series of all time.

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godsman
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:12:50 PM

Knowing Square Enix, if FFXIII fails, then FXV will be on PS3, XBox, and Wii.

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main_event05
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:24:02 PM

Agreed, failure always knocks people off their high horses and brings them back to their senses.

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Naztycuts
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 12:21:36 AM

I don't think that Final Fantasy gets better with each sequel because the game's storylines aren't connected. But in all fairness if it was a continuation of the same story it wouldn't have lasted this long. I haven't played FF XIII yet it might be awesome, but if it doesn't do to me what the 1st cgi cutscene overlooking the Midgar reactor did it will fail to me, if there's nothing in it to rival the excitement of my first summon it will fail to me. This game's greatness will be measured in the two ways all other games are: Sales (Modern Warfare 2) and/or the Player Enjoyment Factor (MGS4 was one of my fave's) This game will sell amazingly because it says FF on it, but will the story become one of our favorites ever? That's the real value of a game how much joy you get from playing it IMO, I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 12:38:19 AM

It wont fail. It's like asking "What if the Sun is gone in a couple months?".

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 12:39:28 AM

ahh Limited, i had a feeling you would come crawling out of the wood works if enough Final Fantasy XIII news showed up. ;)

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 12:45:10 AM

I agree fully with the Wii notion
I can already see them doing that

Squeeenix: "We have to reach more people"

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 12:46:29 AM

Ha, ya been pretty busy with papers and work this past week. I even missed the whole PSN error fiasco. But I'll be damned if I miss a little FFXIII conversation.

Little story I thought I might share. I called Gamestop earlier today to see if they would match the deal Amazon has for their pre-order(I knew Gamestop wouldn't but I enjoy Fuc$ing with them). The employee told me they couldn't but they had their own great deal (ya right). Bring in any used game they're still taking and they will give you an additional %50 for the game towards your purchase of FFXIII. The guy goes on to explain (as if it needs explanation) using various 360 games. I informed him I'd be getting it for PS3 and I was sticking with Amazon. He then finishes the conversation by telling me if I change my mind to stop by with any 360 games I have.

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laxpro2001
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 1:23:58 AM

"In this endeavor, should they choose it, they will inevitable fail and I too will mourn the death of the greatest series of all time."

Wait World... if FF fails then the Dynasty Warriors Series will die... Screw you SE

@Limited
OMG typical GS Employee. Customer Service is not a word in their vocabulary. Thanks to Play N Trade I don't have to shop there.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 1:24:11 AM

and that is why i don't shop there....much. ha!

If i want a new release bad enough and i can't find it else where. i cave. ha. And if never fails. They always assume i want or try to sell me Xbox games. No thanks dude, Im cooler then you so i'll have me some Playstation.

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Rings0fUranus
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 3:49:15 PM

if you strike down FFXIII, it will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine...

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Underdog15
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 10:45:06 AM

It won't fail financially... It might fail expectations though. However, maybe not... afterall, most of our expectations have diminished after all the recent news. But from a financial point of view... I too huge a fan boy... if they wrote "Final Fantasy" on a napkin, I'd probably buy it. My patience is starting to wear thin, though.....

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Vivi_Gamer
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:03:12 PM
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I shall wait till news on FFXIV untill I can answer the topic fully in depth... lets just say i doubt it will be positive.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:16:25 PM

FFXV.

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Wage SLAVES
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:04:05 PM
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To fail the sales game I think it's almost out of the question. However to fail to meet our expectations, yeah, I can see that happening.

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Culoslap
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:04:25 PM
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This article will get tons of comments.

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JimmyVaudeville
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:08:03 PM
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Can we say "Lucky number 13"?

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SnipeySnake
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:36:41 PM

It could be a formula.... 7 + 3 = 10 + 3 = 13.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 11:03:17 PM

or something easy.. 0/0 = 13

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rogers71
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:08:09 PM
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I, for one, will be waiting to get FFXIII used or off ebay. Therefore, my purchase of it will not count. I know plenty of others that are going to do the same.

I could see it falling short of the sales expectations but I doubt it since the Xboxers will swarm the stores to get their hands on yet another former PS exclusive.

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main_event05
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:25:46 PM

I disagree. I have said it before and I'll say it again, "XBoxers are too ADHD for games like this...".

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Highlander
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:37:33 PM

@mainevent05

I fixed your comment for you....

I disagree. I have said it before and I'll say it again, "XBoxers are too ADHD for games.".

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main_event05
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:48:12 PM

Thanks, I can't believe I missed that.

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Jawknee
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:54:37 PM

Yea if they don't get to shoot an alien with a pulse rifle within the first hour or so, they'll turn it off.

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Highlander
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 11:01:44 PM

@Mainevent

Couldn't resist, it must be my ADD kicking in.

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rogers71
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 7:34:05 AM

@Main...

I didn't say they would play the game, they will just buy it so the sales will be better for the 360 version. I knew the 'xboxer' proclivities toward teabagging so, they may not play it but they will definitely buy it.

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Kiwi of DOOM
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:08:51 PM
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I really, really, really, hope that it doesn't 'flop'. If there's one thing that's going to make SE become just like every other western RPG developer it's that. Not to say Western RPGs are the devil or anything, but coming from a company that has traditionally been one of the best JRPG suppliers in the world i pray that SE doesn't take that turn.

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Jawknee
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:10:42 PM
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Bots are already claiming that the 360 version is going to sell better then the PS3 version due to this much ado about nothing PSN/Fat PS3 error.

Im certainly expecting Final Fantasy XIII to be worse then i could have imagined but i hope im wrong and it turns out to be a huge surprise. Hopefully some of this negative press will be a blessing in disguise. Lowering my expectations so that when i actually play it i love it. I hope that when i start playing it i go "hmm, wonder what all the fuss was about, this game is just as great as any Final Fantasy."

wait n' see.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:18:17 PM

I'm fairly certain that is exactly how I will feel, but it could be bittersweet if I feel I'm missing those elements that are gone because they certainly could have been there if SE had their head screwed on properly.

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Jawknee
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:50:29 PM

As long as we can explore the world as much as we could have in X then I'm sure ill enjoy it.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 11:21:13 PM

Sounds like we can do that when we enter Pulse, we shall see though.

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godsman
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:11:20 PM
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Even GT5 have made their profit already with with the release of GT5P. FFXIII is definitely surpassing GT5P sales.

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natho86
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:12:14 PM
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I hope that it doesnt flop at all,this is a gem of a series. I still cant grasp why they are leaving the heart and soul of this series behind when it had such a cult of followers that would put in huge hours for the sheer enjoyment of playing a master piece.

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wakkaoaka
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:17:47 PM
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http://www.gametrailers.com/game/final-fantasy-xiii/2649?sort=date#Content some new ffxiii gameplay vids if anyone wants to see em.

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Douchebaguette
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 1:37:35 PM

Chias.

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Highlander
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:23:04 PM
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Well, they have two options (three actually, but the third will never occur to them).

1) Blame Sony

2) Blame Canada (it only makes sense!)

3) Blame themselves and/or Microsoft (Surprise! This is the one that will not occur to them)

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main_event05
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:27:54 PM

I alone can blame Microsoft for the degradation of ALL gaming enough for everyone.

Also, yea this is somehow Canada's fault too. (You know what I'm talkin' aboot, eh)

The only way Sony is responsible is by continuing to support a sell out company like SE.

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Riku994
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:31:25 PM

I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the clanking of all our gold medals, what was that about Canada?

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Highlander
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:34:31 PM

Oh yeah, that's right, Canada won a medal for a sport they invented. Oooohh so pretty!

;)

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Riku994
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:36:35 PM

Not to mention 13 other events... I'm sorry, what were we talking about?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:36:41 PM

I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the clanking of the 37 medals the US took home...a record for any Winter Olympics ever. ;)

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Jawknee
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:36:57 PM

Square Enix hates Canada

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Riku994
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:39:13 PM

Ben I respect you as a gaming journalist but I emplor you not to take someone's side who wants to blame Canada just for being Canada... There's just no legit reason.

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Highlander
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:40:20 PM

Is there any nation on earth (except France) that takes itself more seriously than Canada? I mean honestly, you can't make a silly joke without someone emerging from the woodwork with their nationalistic pride clouding their sense of humor.

Watch where you rub those maple leaves kiddo.

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SnipeySnake
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:40:30 PM

Im canadian. So all i can say is...WE WON!! WOOT!! XD

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eLLeJuss
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:40:38 PM

If they do hate canadians why does FFXIII have a limited edition there and not here in na :(. Only the xbot bundle.

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Hezzron
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:41:15 PM

Sounds like a few cases of Red, White and Boo Hoo.

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Highlander
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:44:15 PM

Trey and Matt have it right aboot you guys.

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Jawknee
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:44:19 PM

Yes, relax ay. we're all friends here. its all in good fun. I'm sure you've made your fare share of jokes aboot the States.

:)

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Riku994
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:47:43 PM

I must say this actually is coming out quite entertaining... Glad I started it :D

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Highlander
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:49:35 PM

It's all Canada's fault.

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Jawknee
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:52:43 PM

Blame Canada.

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michiganfan1983
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 11:01:04 PM

@eLLeJuss:

Canada is part of NA, what you meant to say is that we don't have a special/limited/collectors edtion in the US.

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Alienange
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 11:23:01 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if the DO blame Canada ...'cause I ain't buying their game.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 11:28:57 PM

Yes, obviously all joking but we can stop now.

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Cholo Gamer
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 11:32:00 PM

Well Canada barely won a sport they invented so IDC lol.

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Wage SLAVES
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 11:42:12 PM

Lol, I always wondered why people take digs at Canada. France too...people forget if it weren't for France US wouldn't exist.

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Highlander
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 12:06:49 AM

@Wagesalves

Considering the nation of my birth, do not get me started on the subject of the French!


LOL!

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main_event05
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 12:27:31 AM

where you from?

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Qubex
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 1:02:35 AM

I'll stick to my "freedom fries" thank you very much :)

Q!

"it only does self resurrection"

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 1:34:17 AM

Ha!

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kraygen
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 4:44:47 AM

Wait! What are these Olympics everyone is talking about?

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rogers71
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 9:37:52 AM

You guys need to cut it oot before someones feelings get hurt, eh?

I forgot what this post was aboot in the first place.

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Silent_J
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 11:00:54 AM

lol oh god I had this argument with my family last night .

ME: You guys got your asses kicked in the winter olympics.

Cousins: No canada won more gold

ME: you still suck ass at everything else

and so on and so forth lol

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Hezzron
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:35:17 PM
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I don't like Final Fantasy games. There, I said it.

I dislike the turn-based gameplay, the silly animals, and the annoying voices. I hate the convoluted and poorly designed plots. I can't stand the character's CGI noodly hair and their stereotypically anime physiques. I hate how you can barely discern which people are males and which are females.

If I walk into a bar with Kratos, I know we're gonna have a beer and hit on women. If I walk into a bar with Cloud, he's going to have a cocktail and talk about his mother all night.

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Jawknee
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:37:57 PM

Well your in luck, according to most reports, this is no longer Final Fantasy.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:38:25 PM

You know, if you haven't ever finished one of these games - and you haven't, considering you hate them so much - how exactly can you know anything about the plot and whether or not it's "convoluted?"

I've played most every major RPG known to man. I know good writing and good storytelling. While FF always has a few holes, the franchise has ALWAYS represented excellence in video game stories and character development. You may choose to accept that fact or not.

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SnipeySnake
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:41:57 PM

I could have sworn i heard part of that from ign's ff rant...

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BTNwarrior
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:52:16 PM

well the only FF I have beaten is 8 and while there are some male characters who look very much like women (laguna) and some weird plot points (nearly every character in the game has "amnesia") it was still a great RPG experience. Though I'm a much bigger fan of the Persona series myself

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Hezzron
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:53:15 PM

@SnipeySnake - The bar joke is an oldie but a goodie.

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SnipeySnake
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:54:55 PM

I've never beaten a FF game. But i have beaten person: devil surviver on the ds. It was really good.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:55:31 PM

Ben makes a good point, if all you can follow are the simple FPS plots then I suppose something complex and original might seem convoluted. If you don't like anime art that's fine, lots of people don't but FF fans do (and have little trouble telling the difference between the men and the women, *hint the women have breasts*)

And FF dropped turn based after X-2.

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Hezzron
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 11:03:43 PM

Wow. Some people here seem to know what I've played and what games I like.

I better turn off my webcam, you guys have obviously seen too much. ;)

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Highlander
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 11:05:35 PM

If you dislike all those things, they you'd better stop playing JRPG games, turn based or otherwise.

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Alienange
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 11:25:28 PM

You guys are seriously defending FF games as not being convoluted? You kill me...

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 11:31:47 PM

hezzron: I merely pointed out an inconsistency. You bashed the hell out of FF, which obviously means you never play those games and if you do, certainly not long enough to make any accurate judgments about the plots and stories.

So, you can either elaborate or come clean. Your choice. ;)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 11:35:10 PM

Well, alien, what's so convoluted about them? Perhaps I can disabuse you of the notion with a simple explanation or two.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 12:46:17 AM

In my experience, the only people who have called the stories "convoluted" either never played the games, skipped all the story parts, or simply lack the requisite comprehension (no offense to anyone here).

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laxpro2001
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 5:37:16 AM

Hey Ben I definitely agree with story telling excellence for FFX (the only one I actually played from start to finish) but not all FF have this.

As far as I'm concerned FFIII on the DS (Almost finished it but don't see much of a point) had barely any story at all. So definitely not all FF have excellent story telling.

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Hezzron
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 7:20:35 AM

I have unfortunately played many games, which in the end, I have not ended up liking that much. I don't see how that would be so hard to believe.

"Convoluted" implies that the plots are UNNECESSARILY complex, coming across as forced and silly, which can certainly apply to a FF story. It's one thing to have a deep, witty, well thought out story that makes sense. It's another to pretend to be clever because you've left gaping holes in the plot.

Seriously, it's as if they're winging it half the time, making things up as they go along.


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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 10:39:45 AM

I hate to tell you this hezzron, but you just didn't get the stories. They were hardly "unnecessarily complex."

Honestly, I suggest you read more.

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coverton341
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 12:09:33 PM

Easy there old timer. People don't read any more. They have the internets for that stuff.

Honestly though I think it is strange how little people do read nowadays. Especially people in their early twenties or lower. I was recently having a conversation with a younger lady and a few of her friends at the school library because I was reading a book. They wanted to know what class I was reading it for and I said I was just reading it and the reaction was astounding. Blank stares and frightened expressions all around. Turns out they don't read anything not assigned. Then I became frightened.

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Alienange
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 12:40:57 PM

Yeah seriously Hezzron73, do some reading. Maybe then you'd understand why Exdeath was really a tree. A treeeee !

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 2:35:14 PM

Foolish to say you don't understand a fantasy element because well, it is a fantasy element. The basic stories are simple. Example FFVII:: The planet isn't the same as ours, if you suck the life out of it, the damn thing begins to die. Time to put the kabash on Shinra.

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Fane1024
Wednesday, March 03, 2010 @ 4:27:27 AM

kibosh

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Snicket
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:41:17 PM
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Most all the articles posted here about FF13 seemed to be scewed ever so slightly in the negitive direction, and even being overshadowed/downtrodden by GOW III. Its something I have noticed. I hope that the review doesent show any bias. That being said I agree with Ben almost 100% of the time in reviews, I think he is spot on. But I will be taking his review of FF XIII with a pinch of salt.

I have never played any FF game before and have 13 on pre-order and look forward to giving it a go because it looks sweet.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 11:30:28 PM

We report the news and comment on popular topics. A hot topic is FFXIII and the fact that it has received surprisingly negative feedback from multiple sources.

There's also nothing negative about this article, either. It's merely a question based on the information we have. Maybe you forget that you won't find a bigger FF fan than me.

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johnld
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 1:06:44 AM

something tells me that you are starting on the wrong final fantasy to gauge its games.

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coverton341
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 12:14:34 PM

I think you should take the review with more than a grain of salt and not question the integrity of a great game journalist and reviewer honestly. If Ben gives it a 6, which I doubt but for the sake of it all, then I will hold that as the deserved score. Just because you think it looks sweet doesn't mean that it will hold water to what a Final Fantasy game should be and since you have no prior FF experience I think that someone who has tons of experience with the franchise has a better perspective than your preconceived notion. Not to be rude or put too fine a point on it.

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BTNwarrior
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:47:09 PM
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well if FF13 fails than you can probably expect FF15 to come out on the Wii or DS

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Highlander
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:50:09 PM

DS, Wii would be too much investment, the DS two guys in their garage can write games for.

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SnipeySnake
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:52:47 PM

Most likely ds. Most rpgs are going for handhelds.

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BTNwarrior
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:57:36 PM

yeah DS does make more sense, it could join the other dozen or so FF games on that platform

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CHAOS THEORY X
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:48:46 PM
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They will relive their past and just before they K.O. they will actually listen to fans and bounce back with a great game

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main_event05
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 11:03:53 PM

Yea, but after so much abuse, who will trust them anymore?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:50:15 PM
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*Facepalm* the PS3 clock crash has hit AOL news. Good lord.

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Jawknee
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:51:26 PM

Losers. They must have Xbots working for them sitting around surfing the web because they aren't doing anything else. When was AOL cool again? like 175 years ago?

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SnipeySnake
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:55:22 PM

LOL seriously? wow....thats pretty funny actually...

Honestly...i didnt even know they had a news network..

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:56:12 PM

http://www.switched.com/2010/03/01/gamers-beware-playstation-catastrophe-still-plaguing-ps3s/?icid=main|htmlws-main-n|dl5|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.switched.com%2F2010%2F03%2F01%2Fgamers-beware-playstation-catastrophe-still-plaguing-ps3s%2F

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Highlander
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 10:58:41 PM

24 hours after it happens and 5 hours after it's fixed? LOL! They're on top of things.

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kraygen
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 4:51:50 AM

What? AOL still exists? Good grief this day is full of surprises.

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spiderboi
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 7:23:23 AM

This is where PS3 lacks: media. Not much good press going for them (not enough IMO). And not much exposure. For example, if I go to gamefaqs.com to look for a guide, and the game happens to be multiplat; I won't see the guide on the PS3 section. More likely than not, its based on the XBOX. Whattup with that???

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Vitron
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 11:07:18 PM
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And they said they're going to introduce a new world

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geovanwitdakick
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 11:21:58 PM
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Just today my sapiz counselor in school informed me that Microsoft bought aol apparently. So that would make sence.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 11:33:33 PM

What's a sapiz?

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Mouse_101
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 11:37:45 AM

not worth knowing now microsoft own it.

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Oyashiro
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 11:27:06 PM
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If FFXIII fails, I'm sure SE will go about just as they where and instead just blame westerners for not understanding the sophistication that is FFXIII. Of course Wada will be the one saying this all.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 11:35:46 PM

They did already set up a pre-release excuse like that.

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johnld
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 1:10:02 AM

that or start their remakes beginning with XI. they're not going to start pleasing their fanbase, thats just too much to ask for.

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Alienange
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 11:29:32 PM
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Honestly I feel as if FFXIII is the drastic departure you are referring to. FFXII was really good as far as graphics, sound, combat and even the weird story about a little queer boy. FFXIII looks to be off it's rocker. I'm certainly in no hurry to get it. Stupid bird in his hair ... *mumble mumble*

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 11:37:58 PM

XII's battle system was too much of a departure for me, great game but that was disappointing. And, well, the Japanese have never been very nice to black characters, so the bird in the 'fro isn't surprising to me.

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main_event05
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 12:18:52 AM

Lol, Remember Black Assistant from DragonBall?

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 1:40:06 AM

They were in the right track with Fran.
Barret was badass as well.

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cLoudou
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 1:53:27 AM

Mr. Popo is the sh!t.

I agree with World. I was completely turned off by XII battle system, most of the characters sucked and I cared very little for them IMO.

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 2:07:17 AM

The story wasn't about Vaan (cool dude though). Definitely more interesting than Cloud imo

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Alienange
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 3:47:28 AM

It's true, the battle system in XII was a bit jarring at times. More than once I found myself wishing they'd pull the camera back so I could see what was going on. Turn-based used to be so good for that, you know, seeing all the action.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 11:33:08 PM
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Ack, now there's a clock bug in the forums, nothing posted since four days ago is up anymore.

Edit: And now it is down completely. Off to play WKC, I'd do Heavy Rain but I can't risk screwing up my ending since I'm having a sip of World's old stock whiskey tonight.

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Robochic
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 11:38:17 PM
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Honestly FF13 could fail this generation but we really can't say till the game is released.

I read an article on how much xbox has to install on their tiny harddives its amazing, 3 disks and 18.3Gigs wow thats amazing, I know ours is much more 38Gigs but at least PS3 have the room, my friend is like wow now i need a new xbox HDD I said why not just purchase a PS3 since a Xbox HDD is overpriced anywase u my as well have a console that is meant for this game and it's 1 disc instead of 3 I think I almost have him sold ;)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 12:08:41 AM

Is it really 38 gigs on PS3? If so I will have to get that new hard drive post haste.

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Highlander
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 12:17:33 AM

It fills 38GB on the BluRay, that's not the size of the HDD install for the PS3.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 12:52:54 AM

Well thank God, I knew SE had become retarded so I'm willing to believe anything.

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johnld
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 1:12:36 AM

its a microsoft conspiracy, trying to ride final fantasy multiplatform status in order to sell their expensive hard drives. God help the xbots.

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spiderboi
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 7:27:13 AM

Does anyone know then how big a space its gonna eat outta the PS3 drive?

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 10:47:53 AM

Spiderbio, FFXIII will take up MB's. If that. Very small. No install.

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Ricky_P
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 11:39:42 PM
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I'm willing to bet Final Fantasy XIII sells A LOT more than God of War III. Oh wait, it's multi-platform. I guess it doesn't count. *Shrug*

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whiskeytango74
Monday, March 01, 2010 @ 11:52:50 PM
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ff7 remake.

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johnld
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 1:13:56 AM

they'll probably start with FFIX, they cant be bothered to remake games that a lot of people want to get like VII and VIII

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 5:17:45 AM

I believe you mean VI, not VIII. I don't know many people out there dieing for a FFVIII remake. VI is regarded by many to be the greatest RPG of all time.

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Arvis
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 11:22:30 AM

Can't we have a remake of both VI AND VIII? VI first please, Squenix... oh wait, they don't give a crap.

-Arvis

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FullmetalX10
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 11:36:24 AM

They should wait with making a remake until the whole multiplatform final fantasy is over, we don't want to risk FFVII on the box, now do we.

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main_event05
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 12:07:10 PM

I believe Sony owns the rights to 7, someone correct me if i'm wrong, so I'm pretty sure it'll never end up on Xbox, which is one of my theories as to why SE is dicking us around with the remake.

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johnld
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 1:40:46 PM

@limited
I never really played VI but i believe a lot of people do like it. I was just making a point that Square enix will probably make remakes of games that arent what people want. I'm making a comparison that people would rather have a remake of VIII than IX. As for me, i would like a remake of 8. imagine how great the graphics of that would be like the balamb garden and such. Especially since you actually use that to travel the world map.

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___________
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 12:18:00 AM
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critical side, well one could argue it already has failed.
it has not been getting glowing reviews, especially for a FF game.
but on the financial side?
IMPOSSIBLE!
if the last few years in this industry has taught me anything its that brand name alone is a stronger selling point than anything else.
developers could turn out crap and it would still sell millions, halo ODST, GTAIV or COD MW2 are 3 perfect examples of that.
EB had a preview games night at the Imax and tickets for that sold out in like 12 minutes!
figures, here i am for the last few years begging for a cinema reveal like this, so they finally do one and it just happens to be for the one game i dont give a sh*t about.
coincidence!

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Gabriel013
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 12:43:33 AM
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In a way, I hope sales are significantly less than expected.

I hope the sales of the GotY edition (which includes all the dlc) is a massive hit.

This should then send the appropriate message to the developers and publishers.

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 12:49:46 AM
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They lost it....

The FF process was a process where the dev team focused on ONE game, and ONE game only.

With FFXIII, they're also linking it to FFXIII Versus....

They're also releasing it on another console

They're not even focusing on a story. They were probably more focused on making the game for "Americans" more than anything*

They really need to go back to making a game based around a explorable world full of predicaments. And a party of heroes which MAKE sense

Haven't played FFXIII, but I really can't see these characters "making sense," together....I will probably never get over how horribly designed (appearance wise) these characters are

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 12:54:17 AM

The only link is that it exists in the same universe.

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 2:08:40 AM

From the "little" we know about Versus, yes, that's all that's hinted at so far.

They'll have to link the world CONCEPT at some point (the problems/conflicts with the Coccoon worlds, etc.)

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Arvis
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 11:24:12 AM

Dude, look at the cast of FFVI. Do they "make sense" together? No way! But does it all work? Heck yes!

-Arvis

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SuMtOnE
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 1:15:53 AM
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i would say if final fantasy 13 fails... they have no choice but to unleash final fantasy 7 remake lol

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just2skillf00l
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 1:21:32 AM
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This is what happens when you experiment with magic. The result turns out to be some form of an abomination hanging between what you were you were hoping for, and what you couldn't even imagine to have happened. This why you always stick to a certain formula and the change isn't the stock, or the foundation, but the seasoning. Simply put, don't muck up near-perfection!

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 1:42:06 AM

That's what I was trying to say lol

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Sol
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 3:25:45 AM
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They say that they have "no singular aim" but what does that really mean. The comment seems to make everyone automatically see the worst case scenario. Have we really gotten so used to a state of minimal change? Besides... they might just have the games play like Kingdom Hearts games (I enjoyed those controls). There can be good that comes of this. We just need to believe in Square-Enix because I don't believe that they have ever "truly" failed us...

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kraygen
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 5:01:08 AM
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I'm sure it won't fail financially but as a Final Fantasy game it already has failed. From what SE has told us it sounds more like a modern action game than an rpg. Its just action battle system, linear story, no towns, no mp.

Yup its not FF, its random action game # 446,234,324.

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SmokeyPSD
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 5:09:28 AM
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Unfortunately, FFXIII won't fail judging simply on japan alone, SE will keep trucking along, and the fanbase which made them who they are today will dwindle and shrink further and further until none of us cares anymore.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 5:15:00 AM

I always will so you're wrong.

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SmokeyPSD
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 7:05:17 AM

well, disregarding a niche market then Vertigo :P

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 7:05:58 AM

:)

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JackC8
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 6:51:32 AM
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I don't think it's possible for it to flop. Too many devoted fanboys who will buy it no matter what; too much name recognition, and the graphics are really pretty. And it's the first game of the franchise on this generation of platforms. I'm sure SE has already recouped their development costs and are well into profitability just from the Japan sales alone.

If it were to meet with negative critical and fan response, SE has already demonstrated that they'll just blame it on us stupid Westerners not being able to understand it.

I don't see this making any difference with FFXV - if this game does well, they'll change the next one anyway. If it doesn't do as well as they'd ideally like, they'll just say there's even more reason to change the next one.

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djbool
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 6:58:29 AM
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Oh god Ben I pray that it would not be a hybrid of FF and COD. that would be the worst. I would much rather have a good engaging and fun RPG in my hands than a shooter anyday

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 7:06:59 AM
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They're having a good conversation over at N4G on Ben's last poll regarding GOW3/FFXIII. Anyone else read it or take part in it?

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SvenMD
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 8:25:50 AM

Nope...it's a 210 degree right now...ha.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 8:28:54 AM

If I post the link it's going to take forever until Ben approves it.

Just head on over to N4G, click on the PS3 tab and it should be on the first couple pages. It's not hard to spot, just look for PSXE and Poll.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 10:37:58 AM

It never takes "forever" for me to approve a link. It's whenever I visit the site which is basically ALL the time unless I'm ASLEEP.

Geez.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 1:07:20 PM

Anything more than 10mins is an eternity in my book. But I do admit I was exaggerating on the time it typically takes you to approve links.

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Cavan
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 7:25:17 AM
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it wont fail, being mulitplat will ensure this, it might not live up to expectations, but for sales, am sure it will still get around the 8 million mark, which is pretty fine going if you ask me. (considering it already has sold over 2millions in japan alone)

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Mr Bitey
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 8:12:43 AM
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Based on the pre-order numbers I think it's safe to say that FF XIII will be successful.

It is interesting to see that Battlefield will sell more units on both consoles though.

This just in: more COD clones incoming.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 8:28:23 AM

FFXIII is in the top5 for pre-orders on Game and Play. It's #1 on Amazon and Amazonuk. (PS3 versions)

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Mr Bitey
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 8:45:04 AM

These are pre-order numbers for the week of February 20th and for the US alone.

It's not a set in stone, but it looks like Battlefield will end up selling more units on both consoles.

Japans sales will probably help swing the overall totals though.

h**p://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=7178&mp=1



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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 9:07:23 AM

^
Why I don't post links.

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Mr Bitey
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 10:00:17 AM

Basically, the US preorders show:

BF2 (360) - 435,916
BF2 (PS3) - 314,047
FF XIII (PS3) - 295,498
FF XIII (360) - 119,090
*via VG Chartz

The pre-orders aren't set in stone, and the numbers ar for the US only. But it's a safe bet to say BF2 will end up selling better in US and EU (probably).

The Japan numbers should help to swing the overall totals though.

(you can delete my other post ;) )

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bridgera
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 11:10:37 AM
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If FFXIII fails because of the "new direction" Square Enix decides to take the franchise,

we'll go on, many of us missing the great gaming experiences that SE once brought us in the 1990s and early 2000s.

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BigBoss4ever
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 11:31:42 AM
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all they have to do is fire Wada and kick him out of the SE building, and hire back Sakaguchi and rename the Square Enix back to Square or Square Soft. Then the magic time will come......

that is all they have to do.

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FullmetalX10
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 11:43:17 AM
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Just let them hurry up with Versus XIII and Kingdom Hearts III, and with that I don't mean hurry up in the way of cutting corners to finish the game in a certain amount of time.
Just give us some damn news of both of them already.

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Douchebaguette
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 1:32:37 PM
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Hahahah. Hey Ben, talking about your CoD + FF nightmares, here's a video for you:

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/history-of-final-fantasy/61856

^Skip to 3:40.


__________________________________________

Of course it's merely his crappy choice of an example.


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Irievibes
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 1:54:55 PM
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real Q,
how well did ff XII did in comparision with say , FFIX or FFX? in overall sales?

i think thats the last game that had any kind of real exploration, 12 was a huge departure, with even less minigames even though it had the massive monster hunt thing going on, i have to ask , does leaving rpg elements behind has worked for sales in the past and the continuation of the series?

this is the FIRST multiplataform of the franchise, but has a steady decline of the FF sales on the last few games really is enought to warrant the decision for multiplataform?

what do you think?

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Dante399
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 2:27:57 PM
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I doubt it'll fail but what if it did? well who cares; what you give is what you'll get back. I will undoubtedly buy it because I'm a constant fan of the franchise.

@Ben: haha I too have nightmares about fusing Final Fantasy with Mortal Kombat LOL

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LittleBigMidget
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 4:51:43 PM
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What do ya mean, "What if"? Screw you Sqaure Enix

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Condemnedsoul23
Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 6:15:03 PM
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Interestingly enough, Final Fantasy 13 is number 2 on Walmarts bestseller list while God Of War 3 is number 3. Of course we are talking preorders but that surprised me. Check it out for yourself if you doubt. If Final Fantasy 13 doesn't meet and exceed expectations there will be a LOT of disgruntled gamers out there including myself.
Oh and #1 is Battlefield Bad Company 2 and I KNOW that's just ONE source and doesn't make it a global thing.

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The X Factor 9
Wednesday, March 03, 2010 @ 3:46:32 AM
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Final Fantasy XIII hasn't even been released. Yet, I do feel like the hype regarding its release has fizzled among forum users. It would've been a much bigger deal if it was an exclusive game.
Speaking of exclusive games...could we please get some more information about...

FINAL FANTASY VERSUS 13.

How about that Square Enix? I'll still buy Final Fantasy XIII. I want to play it. But my expectations are somewhat tempered now.

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totozero18
Wednesday, March 03, 2010 @ 6:57:02 AM
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Nobody ever walks into a bar with Sephiroth, he'll set the damn place on fire

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formerroadie
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 10:25:09 AM
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honestly, i think this is a stupid question before the fact. Why do people in the gaming industry have to naysay all the time. It's ridiculous.

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GamerO1
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 11:08:06 AM
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What "WorldEndsWithMe" states is absolutely right on the button!!! After FF VII, SE has been slowly pulling away from True Turned Based, Vast Areas to Explore, Great Story, etc. They sucked in Enix and are ruining them as well. SE Focus is now more Action Oriented, with "some" RPG Elements. In fact, except for graphics, they are no longer distinguishable the any other Action/Adventure game. SAD...

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Bardock617
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 2:44:50 PM
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Well the JP version did beautifully(and it is, i have it =]). but if the US/EU version failed, Microsoft would be strung up by SE. Square Enix didn't want it to go on 360 but MS promised that'd it have good sales on 360. thats why you see so much FFXIII-360 advertising.

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Notes36
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 5:21:16 PM
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Where The Hell Are All The Reviews For This Game. I Mean IGN & Other Game Sites Had Bio Shock 2 And Some Other Games Reviews In About One Week Before Those Games Came Out. I Don't Really Care About The Score They Give A Game, I Just Like To Use Them A Reference Before I Buy A Game!! I Look At What They Felt Was Was Wrong Wit It And See If It Would Be A Problem For Me Or Not.. That Is Why I Need Some Reviews Before I Pre-order This Game.. I Mean FFXIII Is Already Out In Japan, Can't They Just Review The JP Version It Should Be About The Same Thing As The US Version!!!

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