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David Cage Comments On Importance Of Heavy Rain Scores

It's always interesting to hear how a creator responds to the responses. So what did Quantic Dream boss David Cage think about the reviews for Heavy Rain?

Well, you should read his lengthy blog post in regards to the game's launch; the previews, critical response, and how the game rolled out in Europe. Given the "non-consensus nature" of the game in question, Cage had been expecting a wide range of scores, but as we know by now, most all of the major sources really loved the experience. Said Cage:

"The scores are closer together than I expected. I was expecting a wide range of scores, given the "non-consensus" nature of Heavy Rain, but overall they turn out to be very good, like the first reviews. The articles vary in their content and are more or less interesting in their analyses, more or less superficial, but overall, they all say the same thing: Heavy Rain has met its target. The story holds together, the emotion is there, the interface is surprising but fits the format pretty well. Relief."

He went on to say he's received "an enormous amount of flack" over the past years and that if Heavy Rain didn't live up to expectations, he'd never be able to live it down. He makes an excellent point of adding that when you try to make something that's either "ambitious" or "atypical," credibility is absolutely crucial. But the critics really rewarded his efforts and when all is said and done, "the unpleasant articles can be counted on the fingers of one hand." Cage isn't about to ignore the reviews that did voice legitimate complaints but at the same time, he appreciates those of us who saw his game for what it was: a change.

"Of course there were also a few negative articles with reasoned arguments that defended a point of view in a coherent fashion, as there were positive articles without any real analysis, but overall, Heavy Rain enabled us to see where the last outposts of stubborn conservativism lie, the ones where they think that the last thing video games should do is try to change, just stay where they've been for the last twenty years while improving a little (though not too much). In the end of the day, this resistance is extremely marginal, much more so than I expected. The vast majority of the international press is avid for change."

Yeah, he waited on those first review scores "with a certain degree of nervousness," and that the very survival of Quantic Dream depended on those scores. He said that; not us. This wasn't a sequel in an established franchise; this was a brand new IP featuring a concept that may or may not resonate with the majority of gamers. If the average scores had been 5s and 6s, Cage's studio could very well have folded. He said those scores "are the best guarantee of my artistic freedom for my next project, the level of confidence I can demand, my legitimacy." Well, Mr. Cage, I suppose I could talk for a while about how Heavy Rain delivered in every sense of the word, but for brevity's sake, I'll just say this-

You did it.

Related Game(s): Heavy Rain

3/3/2010 9:11:20 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (58 posts)

geovanwitdakick
Wednesday, March 03, 2010 @ 9:47:19 PM
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Wow, David Cage & David Jaffe should duke it out.

Do reviews matter, or no?

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photo K
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 9:53:17 AM

I think reviews matter, they definitely help with sales, so there is a correlation there... but if his game was simplistic and still sold well, he'd still have his job.

But this game is both an artistic masterpiece and has sold well, so bravo.

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geovanwitdakick
Wednesday, March 03, 2010 @ 9:50:09 PM
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Sony has the money.....I know it.

Buy Quantic Dream already!

Especially if they're in a financial crisis (don't know how long that'll last).

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FxTales
Wednesday, March 03, 2010 @ 9:56:47 PM
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This only furthers my anticipation of playing it. I can't till the holidays so in the meantime I'll stare obsessivley at the cover.

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tes37
Wednesday, March 03, 2010 @ 10:05:31 PM
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I am happy for David Cage and the employees at Quantic Dream that the game is selling well. I hope to see more from them soon. I'm ready for the DLC to come my way.

I just got 100% completion playing Heavy Rain tonight. I'm glad they didn't make it near impossible like some games.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, March 03, 2010 @ 10:37:02 PM

Er...what's 100% completion? The Platinum Trophy? Because that requires seeing all endings..

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tes37
Wednesday, March 03, 2010 @ 10:40:11 PM

Yes, that is correct.

There are still a couple of scenarios that I want to try even though the game says I've seen all the endings.

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inkme101
Wednesday, March 03, 2010 @ 10:42:42 PM

i know a few that have platinumed this game already! hell 2 or 3 more days and i will have!

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daus26
Wednesday, March 03, 2010 @ 11:18:25 PM

Yeah, one of my buddies in my friend's list have gotten the platinum trophy for Heavy Rain too. I couldn't believe it myself.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 12:00:24 AM

Wow. Wish I had the time.

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yak4life85
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 12:32:55 AM

@ Tes37

How many endings is there?

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tes37
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 12:45:17 AM

I don't think some people would be happy with me saying how many on this site. PSN ID: TES37 if you want to know bad enough.

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www
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 5:14:51 AM

"Wow. Wish I had the time. "

Ben, tell that to those MW2 players who are on prestige level, nukes and whatsoever, its like its 72+hrs in a day for them, not 24hrs like the rest of us. I don't know how they find all that time leveling up.

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photo K
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 9:57:10 AM

www - yeah i was just thinking the same thing last night on CoD. I'm only level 15, although I stopped playing it for awhile when UC2 and Madden came out, but as I started leveling up.. i started to think how long it would take me to achieve all these challenges and how many hours these kids put in. I'm lucky to get in 1-2 hours a night of any video game time if any.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 10:29:49 AM

www: They don't play anything else, and they have no lives.

And it's okay to know how many endings there are; I believe there are 22.

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tes37
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 4:21:46 PM

Under chapters in the menu I'm counting 18, but I could of swore I saw more than that.

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www
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 6:52:25 PM

Ben : Lol, could be true.

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eLLeJuss
Friday, March 05, 2010 @ 5:34:06 PM

Theres 8 for shaun and his dad, 4 for madison, 4 for norman jayden and 3 for scottie.

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Jed
Wednesday, March 03, 2010 @ 10:27:54 PM
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I felt the same way while waiting for the reviews to come out. I was thinking that people were either going to love it or hate it.

I'm very pleased with what they were able to do. And I hope the success of Heavy Rain can help some of the smaller studios get more freedom and support for new, different was to make and play games.

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NeoHumpty
Wednesday, March 03, 2010 @ 10:32:35 PM
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Just for you, Mr. Cage......./golf clap....

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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 03, 2010 @ 10:34:06 PM
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Heavy Rain was great. My wife watched me play for a few hours the other day while i finished my first play through. Shes excited to see what happens next.

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Deadman
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 4:55:42 AM

Same here I was playing Sunday night and turned it off to go to bed. My wife was like "What are you doing? I gotta know what happens!" Then made me promise I'd finish the game when she was home.

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inkme101
Wednesday, March 03, 2010 @ 10:49:48 PM
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will we be able to redeem our dlc after midnight or will we be forced to wait for the store to update tomorrow?

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, March 03, 2010 @ 10:52:01 PM
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Mr. Cage & Quanticdream,
You're leaving the gaming nation your legacy,

And what a great legacy it has already become!!!!

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inkme101
Wednesday, March 03, 2010 @ 11:03:40 PM

nice pro pic bikersaint! i wont get nightmares from this one! lololol

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just2skillf00l
Wednesday, March 03, 2010 @ 11:20:00 PM
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Platinumed-it already! Wow! Thank God I wasn't born with a trophy-fix! I do want to platinum it too though. Not for the trophy but to get the entire experience that Cage worked so diligently to construct. This game is simply amazing!

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BikerSaint
Friday, March 05, 2010 @ 11:37:20 PM

@carlospicyweinr,

LOL. Just don't let "The Great Houdini" stare into your eye's(or you'll have more than just a few night-terrors to contend with).

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inkme101
Wednesday, March 03, 2010 @ 11:23:28 PM
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^^^thats why i want the plat!^^^

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Gordo
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 12:08:24 AM
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My first play through was sublime. It was the most immersive 8 hours of my video game playing life.

The second play through was slower and you have time to take everything in and see where decisions take you.

It's like a good book. The first time is the best but a lot to savour in return visits.

Gone back to Uncharted 2 before I plunge into God of War III. Seriously considering never buying a non PS3 exclusive again.

I think you could leave me on a desert island with Killzone 2, Heavy Rain, Uncharted 2, God of War III and Gran Turismo 5 and I would be happy for years!

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Qubex
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 12:18:29 AM

Gordo, i couldn't agree more... the Ps3 exclusives, for the most part, are really the way to go. There are a few really good multi-platform experiences, but you have to dig through the hay to find them and risk your money on them :)

Q!

"speak to the droid"

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Gordo
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 12:36:19 AM

Agreed Q, burnt myself with Modern Warfare 2 and Bayonetta on PS3.
Never again!

Even Assassins Creed 2 which I loved, I traded it in. Not a keeper like the PS3 exclusives.

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kraygen
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 6:00:41 AM

if you like ps3 exclusives and rpgs, i can't suggest white knight enough. 120 hours under my belt, ??? more to go!!

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Qubex
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 12:23:36 AM
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Look, there is no doubt what David Cage wanted needed supreme confidence and believe to achieve it and make it viable - commercially at least.

The biggest "risk" he took (i felt) was the game "interface".

We have had FMV type games already on the PC, but they were more experimental, and never really good.

My honest opinion is this... simply put...

Whilst the Ps3 is a good machine, and still is... Cage was pushing the limits; you can see it; the characters are packing in the polygons, whilst sometimes (not always) it is evident that the environments and interact-able objects suffer in detail and can look quite low-polygon. The screen tearing and jittery audio attests to the fact that the hardware was peaking out in some of the more complex scenes.

What does this mean then, does it mean the games is not "ground-breaking", or does it mean it does not achieve its full potential?

No, not at all, what it means to me... and excitedly so, is that on newer more powerful hardware, like a PS4 (or beyond), Cage will have some amazing hardware available to express his creativity and push the "Interactive Drama" genre ever forward...

All in all "Heavy Rain" marks a "good day" in the calendar of video game production (and history for that matter).

Change is good, and it will get even better in the not too distant future...

Q!

"speak to the droid"

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SmokeyPSD
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 12:57:27 AM

I think that's the whole point of what heavy rain was doing for me though, pushing the limits. I was completely cool with the rare cases of those issues, as it's still on a far greater level than most games right now.

I'm honestly happy with more of this level just on the ps3 alone further optimized, they say they can improve upon uncharted so y not heavy rain?

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Qubex
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 2:06:42 AM

Fair enough SmokeyPSD... you raise a valid point.

Excuse my typo above... "believe" should have been "belief"... it really annoys me when I get my grammar/spelling wrong... brain works quicker than the damn fingers...

Q!

"speak to the droid"

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kraygen
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 6:02:56 AM

From what i've read from several developers i'm not even sure if it is the hardware being maxed out. Most devs who focus on the ps3 say that the more they use it the more they learn to tap into its power and draw more from it. Who know maybe we won't have to wait for ps4!

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Robochic
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 2:20:19 AM
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My hubby has played it twice now, I have yet to play it due to him hogging the ps3, me thinking i need another PS3?? Can't wait to redeem my code but if I do i know I defently won't see the system until he finishes hes really addicted to HR.

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___________
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 3:12:03 AM
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only 3 things disappointed me with this.
1 its been in development for 4 freaking years but is buggy enough to put mercenaries 2 to shame!
frame rate drops, pop in, screen tearing, freezing, audio drop outs. you name it heavy rains got it!

2 its no where near as open and in depth as i was expecting, and as david and sony have been tooting.
almost everything that happens in heavy rain has to happen, no matter what you do you can not change the story or what happens.
i was expecting it to be like a train stopping at certain stops and if i did a particular thing the train would leave platform A and go to platform B.
but thats not what happens, what happens is you may miss a stop but where you end up is still exactly the same.
the only thing that changes slightly is the endings, but thats about it.
even when or should i say if a character dies the story or what happens does not really change, you just miss lots of stops.
the destination is still the same.
ive finished heavy rain 3 times now passing all the trials on one, failing all of them on one and even letting some of the characters die one one of them.
still the outcome on all 3 has almost been exactly the same.

3 the DLC the taxidermist.
this one was free since i got the LE but the next ones im going to have to pay for, and if im going to do that sorry QD but there going to need to last much longer than 5 minutes.
i played the taxidermist and it was heart pounding, so tense you have to be freaking NUTS! to do that but still way to short!
does not really make seance to the story either.
is that whats kept madison up during the whole game?
thats one thing thats never explained, what caused madison to have sever sleeping problems?
i hope they keep on the trend of prequel DLC for all the characters ill be first in line to download them, but PLEASE! make them longer!

o, and another thing why?
just why?
you know what i mean.
MASSIVE SPOILER ALERT!
ready?
you sure?
make sure youve already finished the game?
ok.

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Cavan
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 8:24:52 AM

as usual mr no name, moan moan moan, seriously your never happy. no one bothersd with your opinions as they know you never praise anything, just pick faults.

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rogers71
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 9:02:30 AM

You can never satisfy some people. Mr. No Name is one of those. Dude, you should really consider seeking some help. Once again, your opinion is so far off from everyone else. Makes me wonder how you even get up and get yourself dressed in the mornings.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 10:27:16 AM

What the hell is wrong with you? You go and post the name of the Origami Killer in our Comments section? Christ, I have half a mind to ban you for a week.

And your questions concerning the Origami Killer show no brain activity whatsoever. Think about it for two seconds. Why is he doing what he does? Um...maybe you MISSED the scene where he's burning all the EVIDENCE he's been running around trying to collect? Maybe you missed that he desperately wants a scapegoat; someone to pin his crimes on?

Dude, if you can't follow or understand a story, don't go bashing on the game. That's YOU who can't seem to reason things out. You're complaining about absolutely nothing; the statements are so ridiculous, they're not worth reading. STOP making posts that lecture everybody on everything and don't EVER put another huge spoiler like that in a Comment. Got it?

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dart_driver
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 10:41:33 AM

WOW, I for one love that you have this abstract view on things, it guys or girls like you that question the un answerable and keep the mysteries interesting, Im so glad you pointed out that there was a spoiler because I dont have the game yet, but I think your view matters to.

Oh and even though I skipped his spoiler thank you Ben for deleting it because I had a moment of weakness and went to read it and it was gone. WHEW!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 10:53:44 AM

It's not an "abstract view." It's a negative view for the sake of being negative. Nothing more.

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Hexen
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 11:36:46 AM

I actually find no name's rants about nothing pretty amusing, it gives the comment section more seasoning.All he really needs to work on is his sentence structure.

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rogers71
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 2:47:42 PM

@Hexen...are you serious? If you think the only thing Mr. No Name needs to work on is sentence structure then you are smoking the same stuff he is.

Ben,
Thank you for deleting the end of his post. I almost kept reading but decided to skip it. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you

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Hexen
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 7:38:06 PM

..and maybe his negative attitude but it's part of his image here.Maybe he should give you some of his secret stash to help you relax.

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___________
Friday, March 05, 2010 @ 7:26:21 AM

well ben you obviously did not read what i said.
and i quote.
"i understand that hes trying to cover his own tracks but what for? he goes through the game almost getting killed god knows how many times just for that."
makes no seance what so ever, taking a massive risk for no positive outcome what so ever.
not to mention his cover would be blown if the cops just happened to waltz in.

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inkme101
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 3:58:28 AM
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wow really ________________!!!!!

we're pretty good about leaving spoilers off this site but you just had to do it didnt you?
wtf man?

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TheRaPtuRe
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 5:09:17 AM
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just started with my second playthorugh and sadly its just not that good second time around. Ive been making opposite decisions to my 1st playthorough but most things have the same outcome.

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Vivi_Gamer
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 5:55:03 AM

Trust me the affects have a better tole later on in the game, especially in the last quater, my second ending was very different from the 1st.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 10:24:27 AM

Maybe you should read my review. I say very specifically that nothing really changes early; that's more of an intro/tutorial for newcomers.

It's later when all the decisions matter.

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www
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 5:16:12 AM
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Will get my copy soon :P

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kraygen
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 6:04:30 AM
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I'm glad he succeeded and look forward to getting it when i can. You know how it is, budget and what not.

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Faith
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 8:29:52 AM
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Heavy Rain Looks Awesome! I Think I should get it for my Collection!

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mid10smaradoarg
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 8:53:31 AM
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Hey Ben can u guys upload videos to be played on the ps3??

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mid10smaradoarg
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 8:56:16 AM
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im going to get this game

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lupus
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 9:10:48 AM
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i got the game its awesome but i have grumsy graphics - and the game freezes from time to time which is very annoying.

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Mr Bitey
Thursday, March 04, 2010 @ 11:21:35 AM
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I have to admit, even when I bought the game I wasn't sure what to expect.

I'm about half way through now. I'm absolutely blown away. The game is incredible. It's one of the best experiences I've had in my long history of gaming.

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