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Team Bondi Struggling With L.A. Noire Size Issues?

More than a few developers have complained about the lack of space available on a DVD as compared to a Blu-Ray disc. And now, L.A. Noire developer Team Bondi appears to be running into a standard multiplatform conundrum.

According to Go Fanboy, Rockstar's Jeronimo Barrera has been asked by Take-Two (the dev's parent company) to "calm the situation at Team Bondi over the size limitations." Compression for a typical HDD installation is a possible answer, of course, but we're hoping this need to "calm" things down doesn't delay the project further. The game is already in the midst of a lengthy development process and Take-Two previously hinted that one of their highly anticipated 2010 titles might not make it until 2011. Perhaps they were aware of this issue at Team Bondi... We're hoping that's not the case and the game will still make its estimated release date of September, but at this point, it's tough to predict. It's incredibly unlikely that L.A. Noire will return to being a PS3 exclusive; after all this dev time, they're going to need a very large return on their investment. Perhaps that new motion capture tech is causing the problems...?

Well, we have no idea. But at least Take-Two is on top of things and are making an executive decision of sorts by sending in some help. We'll keep you updated.

Related Game(s): L.A. Noire

3/9/2010 10:25:25 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (131 posts)

jaynet333
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 10:41:49 AM
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Looks like multiple DVDs and compressed lower quality graphics for xbox360 owners, unless you also have a PS3.

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godsman
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 12:11:49 PM

It would be hard to have multiple DVDs, I assume it's like GTA, an open-world game. I doubt you should switch DVD between each room you enter.

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 1:14:27 PM

I believe this is the future for the PS3 and 360 if MS doesnt add a Blu-Ray drive to the XBOX.

Is it any wonder that the four best looking games out right now have PS3 exclusive behind the name?

Killzone 2
Uncharted 2
Heavy Rain
God of War 3

...

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NoSmokingBandit
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 1:43:57 PM

If i've been told correctly the 360 lacks the ability to boot a game from an external drive, hence the reason 360 games can't be pressed on a HD-DVD, so in order to upgrade the optical drive they will need to ship a whole new model with new everything, so they will probably try to tough it out (or throw their money around to get what they want) as long as possible before just making an xbox 720 instead of the xbox360+bluray

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rogers71
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 2:04:41 PM

Sony would be nuts to give MS the rights to put a Blu-ray drive in their console. I just don't see it happening.

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kraygen
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 3:30:38 PM

Actually sony said they'd love to allow M$ to put blu-ray in their 360's. They would get a piece of money for every BD360 sold. This is however why M$ refuses to do so.

Also M$ said that they would win the console war at all cost, they claimed if all else failed they would buy their way into peoples homes.

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B-RadGfromOV
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 3:39:05 PM

Microsoft, the original trojan horse.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 4:52:25 PM

They could just make it so each different 'island' (gta reference) was a different disk or something? now idea..

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Natalisrubbish
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 10:42:33 AM
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HAHAH! Who would have thought? No, really thanks a lot M$ for keeping the entire industry in regression because of your profit greed via making a cheaped out version of a "next gen," console and spending your near unlimited money resources to buy everything and make it exclusive/time exclusive multiplat. Microsoft has ruined this generation. Thatisall.
hahaha

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godsman
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 12:15:38 PM

Completely agree. The DVD medium should never be compensated. The game gets larger, the processing power is faster, the RAM increases. It only makes sense to make the DVD larger too. I would not be AS angry if Microsoft supported their HD-DVD (even though it failed), at least then we'll have the same sized content in PS3 version too. Instead we get cut content, and compressed visuals.

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Natalisrubbish
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 12:32:23 PM

@ Godsman
Absolutely. It would have been similar to dreamcast's GD-Roms if MS had just supported HD-DVD for 360...Buuuttttt their tight a**es about money so naturally they give the consumer the chinsiest product possible and market it like its the greatest thing since sliced bread.

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kraygen
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 3:35:00 PM

Actually the hd-dvd still could have run into the same problem. Not as easily or as quickly, but the hd-dvd single layer could still only hold around 15 gigs, dual layer being 30.

Blu-ray for the win! Single layer 50Gigs, BAM!

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LegendaryWolfeh
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 4:53:03 PM

dual layer 50gb* =P

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Geobaldi
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 6:18:00 PM

And single layer = 25gb :P

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kraygen
Wednesday, March 10, 2010 @ 1:05:17 AM

Actually those numbers are just standard storage numbers used at the time of the original Blu-ray release. Technically blu-ray storage possibilities have been increasing each year as companies learn to increase the amount of layers on the disc which creates more disc space.

A 400 gig blu-ray disc was unveiled in 2008.

Read ongoing development on wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc

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Natalisrubbish
Wednesday, March 10, 2010 @ 1:37:31 AM

@ kraygen
Yes that is very true and very awesome, however, none of that is affordable enough for the consumer or companies alike, in due time though the price will drop for manufacturing and in turn for the consumer.

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kraygen
Wednesday, March 10, 2010 @ 2:03:58 AM

Still doesn't change the fact that it's possible on current blu-ray players, with only the need for a firmware update.

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Natalisrubbish
Wednesday, March 10, 2010 @ 10:34:33 AM

@ Kraygen
Im not saying it won't eventually happen my friend, because you and I know it will, it will just be a good 4-6 years away from now. (-:

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0_o
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 10:46:59 AM
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Thats sad in a funny way!

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Button Masher
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 10:50:02 AM
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We all have to suffer because of M$. Maybe they'll set PS3 owners back further by using cartridges in their next console?!?

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Thrill Kill
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 10:50:47 AM
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Microsoft strikes again

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Sir Shak
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 10:56:35 AM
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Is that site even credible ? I mean , just look at the name .

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 11:03:46 AM

I don't know, but names are irrelevant. Just look at the names for other sites...

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mexgeo86
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 10:58:26 AM
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I don't blame Team Bondi; why shouldn't they be upset if they can't make the product the way they envisioned it because of a console's space restrictions?

it's not the development teams fault that the storage medium on 1 console can't sustain all the content they want to put in the game.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 11:02:02 AM
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Spyro and Aaronisbla(aka contemprus or whatever) would not approve guys. C'mon now, were "gamers" not "fanboys". True "gamers" aren't allowed to dislike or point out MS's flaws.

Kidding aside, what a disaster. This gen will not end pretty for MS. what a blight on gaming they have been. Oops sorry Spyro, I went on another anti-MS rant. Please forgive me m'lord!

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AStiffyIffy
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 6:20:49 PM

You really must be blind to not realize you are misspelling my name. And childish for thinking I care about what you think. All I did was wonder why you don't like the 360. There was no need for you to take it up the butt.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 6:42:55 PM

You obviously care enough continue replying to my posts. Calling me a fanboy isn't asking my why i don't like the 360. I suggest you reread your original post. ;)

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AStiffyIffy
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 6:58:07 PM

If YOU re-read my original post, I never actually called you a fanboy. And I only continue replying because you feel the need to insult me.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 7:28:40 PM

oh right, sorry. you only implied i was one. Much better champ.

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Hitch
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 10:24:12 PM

Well jawknee simply put: YOU ARE

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MyWorstNightmar
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 10:59:14 PM

If Jawknee is a "fanboy", then this site needs more fanboys.

360 is over rated, un-reliable, and throws money around to get what they want, and Jawknee isn't shy about pointing it out.

If Nintendo Wii had the same traits he would have the same sour attitude towards it too

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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 10, 2010 @ 11:43:40 AM

Coming from you that's a compliment Hitch.

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fstop
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 11:02:34 AM
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Oh man, more lack of space issues? I'm really not surprised.
*sigh*
That's all I can do right now...sigh and shake my head.

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WolfCrimson
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 11:07:22 AM
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(troll) Best solution: Make the game exclusive to PS3. (/troll)

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 11:13:57 AM

Then we are both trolls. :)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 1:38:51 PM

Troll 3 here.

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Gregory Freeman
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 1:55:21 PM

originally it was... then it went multiplat (A.K.A Ms baught rights into it)

this is just the result of this mess... its like trying to fit a Great Dane into a Box... on one hand you have the intended box, capable of fitting the dog and more, but then you have the spoiled rich kid who wants your Great Dane in his box, although his box can only fit a Chiwawa. but of course, the rich kid pays you big bucks for your dog, so your only solution is to cut limbs off the dog until it fits into the box. then all you're left with is a ruined dog.

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rogers71
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 2:08:20 PM

@Canuck....

Bikersaint is not going to be happy with you for your use of dogs in your scenario. Nice post otherwise. I agree with you

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coverton341
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 11:09:42 AM
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Alright, I own both systems and I actually like both system very much and try not to go on a fanboy-esque rant but come on.

I understand at the beginning of this generation that a lot of developers wanted to be multiplatform because of the gap in user base and they needed the potential sales to recoup production costs. I get that and it makes total sense, but now that the user base is pretty damn comparable developers can afford to make exclusive games and see good return on investment on either system and utilise the pros of either one. I don't think anyone would be upset if Take Two made an exclusive PS3 game and then made an exclusive 360 game. Both games would likely be great because they would be focused projects and utilise the best of the architecture.

Microsoft in their desperate need to prove that the 360 can do whatever the PS3 can do and their propensity to buy exclusive rights to the damnedest things is really screwing everyone, themselves included. They need to stop throwing money at devs to make once exclusive projects multiplatform because bottom line is mulitplat games are not as good as exclusive games either way you go. The Mass Effects, Gears of wars, Fables, Halos, Uncharteds, Infamous, God of Wars, Resistances, Gran Turismos these are all the best of the best when compared to multiplats of the same genre.

What Microsoft needs to do is accept that exclusive games are better and instead of shovelling money at devs to end exclusivity for a Sony game they need to spend that money helping devs make a 360 exclusive game. Each system has it's pros and cons and each system's exclusives are the cream of the crop for that system. Focus more on exclusives and less on watering down the damn industry.

</RANT>

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 11:15:49 AM

I'll agree with you about all those games except Halo, Gears and Fable. Crap, crap and more crap. But In general I do agree with all your points. Time for them to start focusing on their own games. They spend all their time trying to steal games from Sony and talking trash about Sony. When your busy trying to ruin some one your not focusing on yourself or your fans.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 12:24:50 PM

100% agree with Coverton. Excellent rant.

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godsman
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 12:25:33 PM

That would be great to have 3rd party exclusive PS3 games again.

But.... This generation, pretty much most multiplatform games are considered Xbox exclusives. That is because it's usually the lead platform and lowest common denominator. They can easily take the full capability of Xbox in every game.

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Nynja
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 6:07:38 PM

At the same time, publishers need to stop being so damn greedy and learn to refuse MS' offers so they can make the best game possible.

Hate saying this, but it's not just Microsoft's fault for offering the cash. Someone is accepting it.

I say blame Take-Two for being greedy and taking what was once an exclusive game for the PS3 now potentially will be gimped to accommodate the other system(s).

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 7:52:26 PM

rogers71
LOL
Funny you should mention that ....


Demon Dog's mighty pissed that anyone would even think of chopping his newest "stud fee'ed" sweetie down to size, especially since he certainly like's his Lassies(and other assorted Great Dames), on the tall side.

(and that's probably why he's at the hardware stores right now, trying to rent a extension ladder for the week.

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rogers71
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 8:16:20 PM

Awesome pic. Doesn't make me want to wet myself. Thanks

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Hitch
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 10:25:35 PM

@Ben Hey Ben what about what Jawknee said and his continued attempt at veiled fanboyism?

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, March 10, 2010 @ 12:49:55 AM

@coverton341,

AMEN, you just said it all in a nutshell.

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Bandit King
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 11:09:59 AM
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Its interesting to see so many developers complaining about this now. At the generations start everyone was pondering if Blu-ray was a bit overkill stating that DVD was more then enough but now things are different. More and more devs are cutting content to make it fit on one DVD and turning those cuts into paid for DLC, which stinks. Im just hoping that going forward devs either put the titles on 2 DVDs or do like RE5 Gold and put all the content on 1 blu-ray and give 360 owners a DLC voucher. Or do like wolf said above me ;p

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 11:17:46 AM

Let's hope they DON'T go the way of RE5. Capcom wasn't doing us any favors. Those of us who trusted their claims and bought the game at launch are expected to buy it again or pay for the DLC.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 9:34:48 PM

@rogers71,
Just a dang shame you can't read all the writing....
you'd probably piss yourself laughing

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Highlander
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 11:43:30 PM

1080p HD resolution is roughly 6 times the resolution (number of pixels) of 480p. The switch to HD resolution games means that up to 6 times the amount of image data is required for current games compared to the PS2 generation games. PS2 generation games were already fully using DVD capacity and some games (cut scene heavy games) came on more than one disc. When the PS3 came along with BluRay and all the MS drones bitched about Sony forcing technology down the throats of consumers there were many voices (led of course by Sony and Ken Kutaragi) saying that Bluray was needed for HD games. Rubbish said MS and their drones, DVD is plenty...yeah, right.

Simple mathematics told anyone willing to do the math that image data alone would be up to six times larger than games of the last generation, simply because of the resolution. So Blu ray - which happens to be 6 times the capacity (more or less) of DVD - was the perfect storage medium for HD games on 'next gen' consoles.

Poor MS picking regular DVD and not backing HD-DVD properly. Now their pride is too much to allow them to use BluRay and Downloadable content isn't fast enough to stream HD games, and the HDD capacities don't allow many 30-odd GB games to be stored on the HDD. Oopsie, seems like someone at MS was being a tad short sighted.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 10, 2010 @ 11:48:57 AM

Better watch out Highlander, the fanboy police(Hitch, Sypho)are out in full force. Watch what you say about MS and their crap decision to stick with DVDs or they may come down on you hard.

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Oxvial
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 11:18:08 AM
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lets cut some content.

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WolfCrimson
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 11:32:06 AM

Nooooo! *knocks scissors out of Oxvial's hand*

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Oxvial
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 11:44:13 AM

xD I wish you could do that with more people.

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Karosso
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 11:29:30 AM
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That's why multiplats will always be second best to PS3 exclusives.
How can MS keep their Titanic afloat for another 3 years with such outdated hardware? I mean we are talking about the same storage media that was standard when the PS2 launched...
I see them releasing XBox720 pretty soon.

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Gregory Freeman
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 2:02:10 PM

then watch the xbots boast saying they won this generation...

"We Have Xbox 720, the first 8th Gen system... Sony still has their Dinosaur 7th gen PS3... We Win!!!!!"

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main_event05
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 8:18:05 PM

Lol, isn't rushing gens what got MS into this situation in the 1st place?

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Gabriel013
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 11:32:25 AM
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Just make it multi disc. If that isn't possible because of the gameplay style then release a cut down disc version for the 360 with the cut content as FREE dlc.

The PS3 version can have the full content on the disc.

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Natalisrubbish
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 12:35:39 PM

The only reason I envision that not happening would be because they are working on a very large budget and nearing the end of the production cycle...money is tight now and I doubt they want to fork over any more money than they have to for the hosting of DLC.

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JackC8
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 4:02:22 PM

I agree. Even if it's open world, put part of the world on one disc, the rest on another. If you want to travel from one portion to the other, change discs.

Or better yet, make the damned xbox version run in 480i.

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 11:37:56 AM
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360 is like the Dreamcast

A fine upgrade for a years, nothing more.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 1:47:13 PM

Except that I like my Dreamcast. And well... it still works.

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Gregory Freeman
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 2:03:16 PM

+1 World

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FullmetalX10
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 11:41:57 AM
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Sigh, yet another developer going from PS3 exclusive to inferior multiplat, only because the M$ money, and what do we get, that's right, a game that could've had so much more...

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daus26
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 12:04:59 PM
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Oh no, noo!

We ps3 owners have to go through this every time. When a game goes multi-plat, we always have to worry that devs don't cut off contents so the experience is as seamless as possible for the 360.

I just feel so bad right now for the bots that defend their DVDs with so much loyalty. They're either clueless or they're getting paid by MS.

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Natalisrubbish
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 12:40:48 PM

haha I know right? I see it all the time wether it be on facebook posts or youtube video comments...all these asinine statements trying to defend what can't be defended, 360 is simply inferior at this point in time both hardware wise and exclusive game wise end of story the facts don't lie, people do.

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rogers71
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 12:19:36 PM
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I have a feeling that Ben will pretty busy from now on writing articles exactly like this one.

As exclusives get better and companies visions are greater, every multiplatform developer is going to run into this issue. All things considered, companies are going to try to 1up the competition and they just will not be able to release the game the way they envision it due to DVD9 capacity.

Therefore, we will be seeing watered down games with extensive amounts of DLC just so companies can fulfill their vision of a game. Sad but true!

Microsoft fanboys can argue this point til they are blue in the face but game companies keep proving the point.

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 1:16:36 PM

I am right there with you on that belief.

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godsman
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 12:20:04 PM
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Games keep getting larger and larger. Currently the games are hovering around 1 DVD size. Eventually, the developers will have to make a choice:

1. Compress to 1 DVD
2. To jump to 2 DVDs
3. Make it only possible on PS3

The big problem is, will the developers make the PS3 version superior or make the game "THE SAME" intentionally.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 1:49:14 PM

So far they only make it the same on purpose, FFXIII didn't include the japanese voices on PS3 to be fair to xbots.

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camaro300zx
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 12:21:14 PM
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What Team Bondi should do is make the PS3 version complete, use the whole dual layer of the Blu-Ray. Then cut content to fit it on the DVD(s) for the 360. Then (maybe) people will realize the 360 can't handle new bigger projects that developers want. And us PS3 owners will actually get a decent multi-plat game!

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rogers71
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 12:44:35 PM

That will never happen. Companies would be cutting their own throats to release a multiplatform game that is different on one console than the other.

They can get away with adding something exclusive to one console (Ex. Joker on PS3) but to intentionally release a game that is a totally different experience from the other is an industry no-no.

I just wished companies would consider a watered down game or inferior port a no-no. It seems like companies are happier to release the same content but have one version be inferior due to a bad port. We will never see the end to this argument. All we can do is support the companies that choose to do it right and let our wallets talk. JMO

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 1:50:18 PM

That's why I liked the SNES vs Genesis years, SNES versions of multiplats were always vastly better.

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rogers71
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 2:13:26 PM

I agree with you World, except for one game. I had the SNES and Mortal Kombat 2 was awesome but it didn't include blood. My friend had the Genesis version, the graphics weren't as good but he boasted all the time that he had real blood. Oh well, those were the good ole days.

*Goes digging through building to find SNES*

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 4:08:16 PM

Actually MK1 was the one without the blood, MK2 had all blood and fatalities intact and was as close to an arcade perfect port as we would get until MK2 released on PSN :)

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rogers71
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 4:43:19 PM

You are correct. I could not edit my post in time but I remember that now. Way to have my back.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 12:40:29 PM
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WTF are all of you doing on here right now?! Why aren't busy playing FFXIII!?


::goes back to FFXIII::

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Natalisrubbish
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 12:41:23 PM

Tell me LV, should I go out and get it later tonight or tomorrow, is it worth it? Your honest opinion?
Thanks!

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rogers71
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 12:46:17 PM

@LV... I just saw the first FFXIII commercial that didn't tout it as a MS exclusive. They actually had the PS3 logo larger than the MS logo. Go figure.

So what do you think of the game. I haven't talked to my friend that bought it. I will be borrowing his game when he is done.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 1:24:06 PM

I'm only 3hours into it. So far I'm really digging the characters and the story is really interesting. The production is top notch of course and visuals IMO are some of the best I've seen on the PS3.

The battle system is limited thus far (I'm assuming since I'm still early into the game) and the battles have been quite easy.

The game grows on you, just give it a chance.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 1:43:24 PM

I'm lovin it, but yeah you kind of have to forget about your old notions of what an FF should be. That said, the battle system is still engaging, and actually tense when you have to be super fast and don't want to use the autobattle feature.

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Natalisrubbish
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 1:57:09 PM

Cool, glad to hear its not too badly flubbed up guys! Maybe i'll venture out tomorrow morning before my shift of work starts and buy a copy, assuming there are any left in stock, lol (-:

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Naztycuts
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 2:19:09 PM

Just picked up FFXIII and now I just have to run a few errands and erase all the negativity and skepticism I've accumulated from reading the bad metacritic reviews from my mind (I do read a lot of the bad game reviews even if it's a UC2-caliber title so I have an idea of the title's perceived flaws though most of the low score giving reviewers are idiots it still makes for a good laugh sometimes) I cant wait to see what this Cocoon/Pulse place has in store for me when I get home. This game has had more shots taken at it than any game I can think of this generation calling it "linear" (linearity is a valuable story telling tool) and emphasizing the lack of towns and little to no NPC interaction. I hope the flak isn't well deserved, it certainly wasn't in HR's case, but only the simple-minded wouldn't "get" HR thus trashing it.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 4:19:26 PM

FFXIII is far so good. my only gripe at the moment is the inability to control your other party members while in battle and that if the party leader dies its game over. Thats kinda lame. Other then that, im enjoying FFXIII.

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tes37
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 12:49:16 PM
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They could make the 360 with multiple discs and require an install of all discs except the main one that keeps the game going.

What LV said. Back to FFXIII.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 1:43:41 PM

Great idea!

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 1:17:21 PM
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My only question is...

How many developers will switch to the PS3 in the near future?

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Gregory Freeman
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 2:08:27 PM

with microsoft's dirty money hovering everywhere, never...

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Bloodysilence19
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 1:23:46 PM
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another reason why blue ray is superior. from what ive been noticing 360 games are starting to be on more than one disc or developers having to compress way to much in order to fit the data on to the DVD-9.

example capcom cutting out content for lost planet 2 for both consoles due to DVD-9 storage capacity. FF 13 big time example of limitation of dvd-9 three discs.

GTA IV was going to be the best GTA ever but it turn out to be a ok GTA. due to rockstar had to cut content out not only cause of the disc space but also cause not all 360 came with a hard drive.

ME 2 great game indeed but think of possibilities bio-ware could of done if they had put it on a blue ray disc, plus one disc no disc swapping.

now la noire developers seeing the limitation of 360 DVD-9.if MS doesn't put a disc as good as blue ray or better in their next console all i can say is Xbox 720 R.i.P. on a side note ms put in a disc drive that doesn't f-up the disc while playing.

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Natalisrubbish
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 1:58:07 PM

I think they know they have to either adopt Blu-ray or resurrect HD-DVD as a games only format.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 1:52:00 PM
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When I was at my midnight pickup of FFXIII last night, they made it a big selling point to try to get people to buy the disc protection on "All 3 discs" of the 360 version.

I just smiled.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 2:05:04 PM
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Hey! Anybody else think that: "calm the situation at Team Bondi over the size limitations."

Actually means "SHUT UP! We have to keep a lid on this thing or we will get in trouble with MS!"

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kraygen
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 3:49:17 PM

Not just "shut up," but also "Say that again and you're fired"

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Gregory Freeman
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 2:10:56 PM
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We can't just blame Microsoft here everyone...

The Dev's can say no! they aren't brainwashed here... It's more the Dev's fault for accepting Bill Gates' Dirty Money...

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Darwin1967
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 2:31:51 PM

Ha...bet if we had a peek inside his secret lair you'd see him playin FF on the PS3.

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Naztycuts
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 2:38:46 PM

@ Canuck Yes we can, look at it like this in the case of timed exclusives from a dev standpoint: if someone wanted to give you essentially free money to hold back one version of your game you'd take it! It's like releasing a game twice because single console owners will wait for your game if it's good enough, so the timed exclusive money is either like a bonus to them or used to fund the next title. I don't blame developers for that because it makes business sense. I blame developers when we get sh*** ports, or they make ridiculous statements such as: "I didn't come into this business in the '90s because of some technical fetish. I came in because I wanted to give people experiences that made them have fun," thumb up to the first person to name the developer unless it's LV.

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dlte
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 2:41:35 PM

well wouldn't of been Rockstar who told them to make it for 360 and PS3?

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coverton341
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 3:20:58 PM

Sounds like a "WAAA THE PS3 IS TOO HARD" complaint honestly so I am going with anyone that works for Valve.

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Naztycuts
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 3:44:17 PM

Nice Coverton

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FxTales
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 2:19:25 PM
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I would just like to see the developers say no for once to M$ and not accept their money. Cmon guys think of the greater good.

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Deleted User
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 2:42:46 PM
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where'd all the Xbots go that have been hanging around recently? this is the perfect article for them :P

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Naztycuts
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 3:07:58 PM

They've gone to purchase ps3's so they can get God of War 3 next week and/or play FFXIII properly.

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Nynja
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 3:25:51 PM
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Why don't they just do to the 360 version what other developers tend to do with PS3 games?

Delay the release on 360 and release the PS3 game first.


Of course I'm sure MS has some sort of contract that requires them to release the game same day as PS3... Good Job MS. PS3 delayed 1 game, GTAIV. Your console has delayed how many so far?

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main_event05
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 8:27:53 PM

Actually, if i'm not mistaken, FF13 was an Exclusive and got pushed way back when they decided to go multiplat. so that's two games MS delayed.

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kraygen
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 3:53:37 PM
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Can't say I'm surprised, I've always thought it was dumb that microsoft decided to use old technology in their supposed "next-gen" console.

The came out with Hd-dvd but didn't even use it as the standard drive for the 360, how lame was that.

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Darwin1967
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 4:41:39 PM

Had they gone with the HD-DVD as their standard format, you can bet Sony probably would have lost the BRD/HD-DVD war....yet again, M$ fails to see the bigger picture.

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rogers71
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 7:45:41 PM

@Darwin,
I think the race between BD and HD-DVD would have been closer had MS made it a standard drive for their console. I don't, however, think that it would have won in the end. There were just too many movie studios backing the BD format. There were also many more electronics companies backing BD rather than HD from the start.

Toshiba was the only company that was in the HD-DVD corner. I have to applaud them for making a stand against the likes of Pioneer, Sony and Samsung but it was just too much to overcome.

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kraygen
Wednesday, March 10, 2010 @ 1:08:37 AM

Actually it wasn't really a stand against, they signed a contract with M$ before blu-ray was released, claiming they would support Hd-dvd unless the majority of the major motion picture companies decided to go blu-ray.

After All the others signed blu-ray Toshiba enacted their clause and jumped to blu-ray as well.

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Fane1024
Saturday, March 20, 2010 @ 3:30:54 PM

HD-DVD wasn't actually ready when M$ launched the 360, just like HDMI. They would have had to delay the launch. If they were willing to do that, they would have built a system that actually worked, instead of rushing it to market to get a year's head start.

And PS3 would have outsold 360 2 to 1 by now. The head start and Achievements are why the 360 became the "default" system in many minds; without a head start, the 360 would be performing like the original Xbox.

And, yes, I know no one will read this, but I'm playing catch-up since my PS3 (and thus its browser) has been out-of-service for two weeks.


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shaytoon
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 4:00:15 PM
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when did la noire become multiplatform???? wtf dude, the fact that they even switched ill tell u right now that this game will blow balls and be like every other "gta" wannabe

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 4:06:21 PM
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Well, LA Noire was gonna be a Day 1 for me but now I will play the wait and see game. Delays imply problems and things could get worse before they get better.

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Grown_Gamer
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 4:41:42 PM
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Sony took a gamble on Blu-Ray winning the format war and they won. Developers need to just face it and stop holding themselves back. It frustrates me to no end how some developers refuse to take advantage of the hardware on the PS3.

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just2skillf00l
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 4:44:46 PM
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Sadly World, I have no choice but to agree with you. LA Noire was also a day 1 but once again, the limitations of standard DVD media hammers down my anticipation and puts my money back into my wallet for me. I'm still hopeful for this game but I'm waiting to see what Team Bondi's response to these limitations will be. Will it be the usual dim it all down response? Or will a developer finally take a stand against Microsoft...I mean mediocrity? Well, we'll see soon enough...

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SmokeyPSD
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 6:15:26 PM
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Well, this article has single handedly dipped my entire excitement for this game. I hope some PR person reads my comment and realises that this bullshit loses customer confidence in their product.

I really disliked GTAIV for many reasons, but 1 was i felt it was gimped for being on the 360 aswell as ps3. I'm not gonna go there again by choice. This should've been a brilliant noir exclusive.

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Natalisrubbish
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 7:13:31 PM

Couldn't agree more sir.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 8:30:51 PM
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Another reason how MS has caused our mult-plats to get cut down to fit the 360....

I read in another article somewhere else last year, that most developers, and even though it could be done, don't want to put their games on too many multiple discs(3 or above) because MS charges them a separate fee for each separate disc, thus also chopping away at any profit margins they may or may not have seen.

So in reality, MS wins either way....
if they buy their way into our game, and the developer says OK, but still keeps the game intact on the 360 using multiple DVD's, then MS will snatch a huge part of their "exclusive shush fund money" right back from that same developer.

It's just one vicious cycle after another with MS

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main_event05
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 8:32:12 PM
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In your opinion, what are some of those "What If" games?

(and by "What If" I mean what if MS hadn't thrown their two cent in)

I'll set the tone by naming Metal Gear Rising.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 10:04:03 PM
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HMMMM, not sure if I could actually tell you

Since I wait to buy my games used at either a $20 USED price point(or Buy 2, Get 1 free deal), so I don't have any brand new current games to judge it myself, so I'd want to disqualify myself from actually trying to prove just which "what if" games, they were, just from my own lack of experience playing time with them.

Anyways, I'm not sure, but I'd tend to think from all that I've heard & read so far, that FFXXIII, AC2, RE5 probably are a few of those games(FYI I've only got RE5, but on the 360), that could've been made better along without MS interference, along with any other PS3 game that get paid by MS, & then chops up their game to fit MS.

But I'm quite sure those who have felt the chopped up effect on their own games, would be a better source of actual "what-if" games.

BTW, I don't have, MG Rising, or MG Peacewalker yet either, but MG Rising wouldn't count as one in my book, because they made that a separate game, and not a chopped down part of MG Peacewalker, am I right?

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main_event05
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 10:12:24 PM

I'll counter by saying, imo, had MS not gotten that, it would be a lot more truer to the rest and maybe still stealth based. So many lost possibilities with that which is why i call it a "What If" title.

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___________
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 @ 11:54:10 PM
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why not just release it on multiple disks like $E, ID and many other developers are doing?
guys, theres no point bitching about it till your face goes blue M$ aint going to do anything about it.
face it if you want to make a game for the 360 your stuck with DVD like it or not.

on the other hand i really do not care anymore.
all 2K games can go to hell and never return for all i care.
im sick of them coming out teasing me than announcing the games been delayed.
i almost fainted when i saw the video of mafia 2 last E3 and now we may not get it till later this year if that.
fine, when or should i say if there games come out, then ill get excited.
till then i do not care!

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Ivan_PSP
Wednesday, March 10, 2010 @ 12:39:41 AM

You gotta pay more to have extra disc. That can cost millions. Blu-ray can't be use for Xbox 360 games.

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, March 10, 2010 @ 1:17:53 AM

@main_event05,
Oh LOL, I wasn't thinking of it in that same context as you were.

But YEAH now I see what you mean, and great point there!
And I do believe you're right about it too.

The worst part about all this for us PS3 owners is that with all thees games being chopped, we'll never even know how many shady companies have really done it, or how many are still going to do it too.

Unless either some multi-plat developer/publisher suddenly says that they had to cut content(for one reason, or another) or that a gaming site starts snooping around because of rumors & decides to do a 360/PS3 comparison on it's own to confirm it.

So I'm wondering how many more company's that we don't even know about yet, have already screwed us by doing a lot of cut content, and then keeping it all on the down-low?????

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___________
Wednesday, March 10, 2010 @ 6:42:48 AM

thats not true it was cleared up a while ago in a interview that M$ does not charge royalties for each disk.

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Ivan_PSP
Wednesday, March 10, 2010 @ 12:37:14 AM
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What people don't understand is Sony doesn't own the Blu-ray Disc the Blu-ray Disc Association does, which Sony is also part of. Microsoft develop some technology in Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD.

There's no way Microsoft can support Blu-ray Disc as the new standard for games. Unless they give out 38 million free Xbox 360 consoles with a Blu-ray Disc Drive on them.

Microsoft is going to start losing some games soon due to the capacity in DVD9 just a little above 8GB and developers cannot use the whole 8GB which makes it more difficult for game developers. Sony to a risk a well it pay off big time. Microsoft needed to use HD-DVD for games at least and they wouldn't had this problem right now.

My PSN ID: Ivan-

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kraygen
Wednesday, March 10, 2010 @ 1:16:18 AM

Actually Sony and Pioneer developed the technology that became know as blu-ray and then founded the association with several other companies.

Microsoft is was not and is not a part of the blu-ray association.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc_Association

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Natalisrubbish
Wednesday, March 10, 2010 @ 1:38:24 AM

Well said Ivan, I couldn't agree more!

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Highlander
Wednesday, March 10, 2010 @ 1:42:07 AM

Even though they claim to have sold 38 million or so 360s, there can't be many more than about 32 million of them still alive, and no more than 30-31 million capable of going online (remember MS has perma-banned 1+ million 360s over the years)...So they'd really only have to come up with perhaps 30 million BD-ROM drives for the 360, and at $100 a pop that's a mere $3 billion, or less than they lost on the original Xbox, and - I believe - less than they've already spent on the money pit known as the Xbox 360.

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LimitedVertigo
Wednesday, March 10, 2010 @ 8:39:31 AM

Ivan I forgot, what did you give GOW3?

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The X Factor 9
Wednesday, March 10, 2010 @ 2:49:20 PM
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This is why I don't even bother with the overwhelming majority of multiplatform games. Most of the time, they're straight up inferior to exclusives.

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sirbob6
Wednesday, March 10, 2010 @ 9:20:30 PM
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Well it looks like MS is going to mess up another game and it was starting to look really good too.

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