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Uncharted 2 May Serve As Inspiration For Future FFs

"Measuring stick" games like Uncharted 2: Among Thieves can have a profound impact on designers everywhere, even if the projects in question aren't exactly action/adventure titles.

Take Final Fantasy, for instance. Most would assume that FF and Uncharted have very little to do with one another, but considering the raging success of last year's masterpiece from Naughty Dog, even Square-Enix is standing up and taking notice. As noted by PS3Center, FFXIII director Motomu Toriyama referenced Uncharted during a speech at the Game Developers Conference. He spoke about the differences between Western and Japanese gaming preferences and ideals, and he admitted that player interaction in FFXIII was almost exclusively found in combat sequences. In the future, he'd like to bring the player more into the cut-scenes; his inspiration for this is last year's award-winning sequel. Said Toriyama:

"I think there will be more interactivity (in future Final Fantasy cut scenes) — if you have 1000 flying dragons, hopping from one dragon to the other would be great fun. If you can achieve that compared with Uncharted 2, I think that Final Fantasy is going to replicate the masterpieces of film, and that is certainly one of our goals."

We've known for a long time that Square-Enix has wanted to include aspects of film in each and every Final Fantasy installment, so this comment should come as no surprise to avid followers. It's just interesting to see so many different developers looking to the best games of the generation for new ideas and concepts; it's not about "stealing," it's about advancing forward by paying homage to breakthroughs made by others. Nothing wrong with that.

Related Game(s): Final Fantasy XIII

3/14/2010 9:06:19 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (72 posts)

Jawknee
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 9:57:08 PM
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Enough with the shooter influence on FF! You've already broke XIII(kind of). You want to completely alienate your Final Fantasy Fan base?!

I love Uncharted 2. Quite possible the best game on the PS3 so far. But seriously, i want Final Fantasy, not Shooter Fantasy.

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chedison
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:06:28 PM

couldnt have said it better myself.

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Kowhoho
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:38:31 PM

Cool it man, be chill. They're just talkin' bout havin' some influence on your cinematics, man! It's all good!

.....Seriously though, this is a good thing. This is one area where Uncharted excels and just about any other game genre could do the types of things that Naughty Dog has done and benefit greatly.

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godsman
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:39:10 PM

Maybe Square Enix wants to alienate their 7 million PS3 seller over to the sub 1 million Xbox seller. (shrugs)

If Square Enix wants to ever reach Uncharted quality, make it exclusive. Many exclusive PS3 games are only possible for a reason. Even Xbox games that are exclusive look better than multi-platform games.

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Jawknee
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:58:21 PM

Kowhoho, if it's not broken, don't fix it. The cinematics are fine the way they are.

Square already admitted FPS had some influence on FFXIII and it's turning out as a BAD one. Final Fantasy need no influence other then Final Fantasy.

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MysteriousMagus
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:40:36 AM

They are just talking about the cinematics....
But I agree... I hate how Square are trying so fu**ing hard to westernize their JRPGS!
It's nonsense... because it will never be fully western or J its like a bastard child... it will never ever work. It didn't IMO with XII... I just want it to be like the old days... like FFX!

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Mavfan321
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 4:08:17 AM

I think what he's getting at, and he does use dragons as an example, is the parts in Uncharted that are cinematic like controlling Drake as the bridge falls. I think it's a great idea to heighten the more cinematic aspects of any game by adding interactivity. This does not mean a whole game should feel like an interactive cinema, or that every scene should use it.

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totozero18
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 6:16:56 AM

See? I knew it they've felt ass-whooped by games like KZ2 or UC2 this is good cuz they're gonna try harder now, but, complexes never turn out good....

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Highlander
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 10:43:43 AM

If SE (and I stress the IF) feel that other games are kicking their butts, then I think that the leaders of Square Enix need an individual butt kicking to be performed immediately. RPGs are a different genre to shooters and third person action games. They are not the same, and don't sell to the same people. The market for gamin is huge and the millions of sheeple that buy MW2 out of reflex are not among the audience of FF games. Sure there are some gamers who buy both, but the audience for each genre is different. If they can't see that, then to be honest, I feel that they are verging on stupidity.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 10:08:03 PM
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Oh sweet mother of all that is holy, we are all lost now.

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Qubex
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 10:22:16 PM

It's finished now... simply put!!!

SONY WHERE ARE YOOOoooouuUUUUU in all this!!!

...and the tune goes...

"wwwaaaaaadddaaa waadadddaaa waaadaaa wada wada... wadda you doing!!!"

Q!

" waadaa... wadda you doing!!! "



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Kowhoho
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:41:48 PM

WHAT HAS SCIENCE DONE?!?!?!?!? <:0

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johnld
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:16:14 AM

we might finally reach the FINAL fantasy if the series continues like this.

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SmokeyPSD
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 10:10:41 PM
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ARGH.

Santa Monica. We're flattered that other developers are trying emulate us, but we really just focus on our own work, and try and better our own abilities.

Square. We want to be more like call of duty. we want to be more fast paced. we want to be more like uncharted, we want to be more western, we want to be more loved, we want to be more understood... I am sick of SE... I really am... With all these ridiculous statements they are going to simply kill my interest in buying another FF again completely, im already going back and forth whether i should buy FFXIII.

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Jawknee
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 10:16:35 PM

Err, Santa Monica didn't make Uncharted. Naught Dog did.

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SmokeyPSD
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:00:58 PM

I realise that, I'm simply stating what Santa Monica stating when asked about Dante's Inferno obviously mimicing them.

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NoSmokingBandit
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 10:23:42 PM
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Meh. The more SE drifts away from their JRPG roots the less i am interested in their games. I love a good western RPG, but i dont think SE can do it well, nor do i think they should try.

However, if you are going to draw inspiration from one western game it might as well be Uncharted 2. Seeing as its awesome and stuff.

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maxpontiac
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 10:25:11 PM
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SE in my opinion, are nothing more then sellouts, and that's in more ways then one..

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Jawknee
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 10:30:04 PM

Seriously, they see what MS has done with shooters and now they want to capitalize on that even if it means the death of their best franchises. At least Wada will be fat n' happy that effing douche bag.

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BikerSaint
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 10:29:31 PM
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The only inspiration SE needs to learn from the people at Uncharted, is.....

1. How to stay exclusive.

2. How not to pander to immoral influences coming from from filthy rich unimaginative companies way too lazy to bother making more than 4 or 5 of their own 1st party game.

3. How not to chop up a full game's worth of content out of your games just for more financial gain later.

4. How to change "gaming's history", in a good way.

(And most of all)..........

5. How to show gratitude to your humongously loyal fan-base.

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Qwarktast1c
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 10:33:53 PM

BRAVO!!!

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Hezzron
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:44:10 PM

Attaboy!

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SolidFantasy
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 6:05:17 PM

Well that about sums up any comment i had. nice job.
I guess you could just tell square enix to STOP SUCKING!!!... figuratively that is.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 10:41:07 PM
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*Oils up blade*

Wada, Toriyama... I'm comin' for your necks. Who says gaining trophies is pointless?

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Alienange
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:05:58 PM

Certainly not ME

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Kowhoho
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:40:06 PM

I fear your blade, world.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 9:26:04 AM

Fear TheWorld :)

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tes37
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:00:11 PM
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This could be part of their problem. They're looking at everybody else instead on concentrating on their own creations. It's more than obvious that people were beginning to get curious about FF because of the fanbase. Now they won't get to see what the fuss was all about unless they backtrack.

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Highlander
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 10:48:53 AM

This has been the theme of their statements for years now. They have re-stated time after time how they are looking at wester developers of successful games (no names, but considering the most successful western games are shooters....). How many times so they need to say it?

It's almost like they are ashamed of their own style or culture and are so infatuated with Western culture that they want to imitate it. Quite why they would be so ashamed of their original game culture I don't know. But, it's clear that they are not looking within.

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Fane1024
Saturday, March 27, 2010 @ 5:41:38 PM

Why are S-E looking to Western deveopers for inspiration? Because Japanese developers have been stuck in neutral for years, while Western developers have continued to push the envelope in terms of gameplay, story, etc.

The problem is not that Japanese developers are finally looking to develop. It's that they haven't been doing it for the last decade or more and the changes are now too radical for the long-time fans, who seem to want to play NES games for the rest of time.

Also, S-E don't seem to understand WHICH aspects of Western games to emulate.

If they had actually developed the Japanese tradition over the last while to keep up with the innovations in Western games, we'd probably be playing a turn-based game, though it would be vastly superior to old turn-based mechanics.

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Alienange
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:07:00 PM
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Hasn't FF basically been an interactive cut scene for years?

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Jawknee
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:17:46 PM

NO.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:18:23 PM

yes, especially with this game and the auto-battles, interactive drama..

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Kowhoho
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:39:31 PM

Yeah, a 70 hour movie.....that you play.....which makes it a game.....

;D

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:40:23 PM

nope

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kraygen
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:26:33 PM
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I wouldn't mind this statement from some people. If game developers want to put more options and more types of interactive game play into their games, usually I'd jump for joy.

However after seeing the direction that SE is going, this statement makes me sick with worry. Is the next big FF game going to be a mixture of fps, button mashing, and interactive cut scenes?

Heck, street fighter, tekken, and mortal kombat are all popular, maybe you should put some of that in the next FF.

I can see it now,

Final Fantasy XV
Genre: RPG, Fighter, Action/adventure, Flight sim, Racing, Sports, Strategy.

Yeah, that's the FF I've been waiting for, come on SE, get a grip on reality and let go of the fat checks that will ruin your once good name.

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totozero18
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 6:22:45 AM

LOLOLOLOLOL "Flight Sim" pfffff

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kraygen
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 3:30:03 PM

well yeah, because everyone at SE knows how much we want to jump on our summonings and fly into the air for some good old fashion ace combat maneuvers.

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Scarecrow
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:29:37 PM
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13 is not a "bad" number in Western traditions for nothing....

Poor FF...its fall started with 13....

Though, At least they're influenced by a great game

(why can't they understand that all we want is an rpg? With great story?)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:40:53 PM

eh, the fall started with the end of the ATB in XII.

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Scarecrow
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:50:50 PM

Well, I think that's more subjective than objective.

In part because even Ben admits that the Vagrant Story/Dragon Age battle system ain't as great as ATB, yet it is a good/fun system. And that is reflected in many reviews, including psxe.

FFXIII on the other hand is exposed in most reviews. A STRAIGHT game with so many limitations outside the "crazy graphics."

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Fane1024
Saturday, March 27, 2010 @ 5:54:27 PM

Even the ATB system shows the wrong emphasis: it offers the illusion of real-time action, while merely rushing the player to make decisions...with no added level of tactical depth (like that found in FFT, for instance).

Meanwhile, the characters stand in a line and step forward to attack, just like they did in Final Fantasy I.

While not perfect, the system in FFXII was a vast improvement over everything that preceded it (even the Judgement Wheel).

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Hezzron
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:50:15 PM
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So they mess with the "classic" gameplay, and now they want to start messing with the cut scenes? I sense a JRPGite riot.

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just2skillf00l
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:08:28 AM
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Hezzron I'm right with you, I already got the signs and the pitchforks, and the the Molotov cocktails. Start up the wip, Wada's in for one explosive surprise...(rubs hands together in a rather sinister fashion)

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johnld
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:13:01 AM
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Ummm....NO....Just give me an honest to goodness JRPG that is worthy of carrying the name Final Fantasy and not just use it to fuel sales. I dont want a WESTERNIZED JRPG.

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Jawknee
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:22:23 AM

Westernized JPRG. Oxymoron.

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Naztycuts
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:49:55 AM

unless he meant the western part of Japan! XD

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Highlander
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 10:49:58 AM

Westernized JRPG.

OMFG! Two words that should never be used next to each other. It's like matter and anti-matter.

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johnld
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 1:46:36 PM

yeah, those two words should never come together but Wada is sure as hell trying to make it happen.

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Naztycuts
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:55:59 AM
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Also this is great news! Now all they need to do is drop that silly blade off of Lightning's gun and give us a crosshair and a few grenades and we'll be set! It's a conspiracy they've been trying to turn this series into a shooter since FF VIII! Seriously though Uncharted Fantasy? Bring back turn based you a**holes! Also I'm getting tired of walking around Gran Pulse I miss the Highwind.

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Jawknee
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 1:09:34 AM

I miss the Ragnarok.

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WolfCrimson
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 2:12:00 AM

Ragnarok > Highwind. Truth.

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Alienange
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:59:13 PM

Anyone who yells "bring back turn based" gets an automatic thumb up.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:59:42 PM

The Shera > All

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___________
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 1:35:03 AM
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uncharted 2 should not be the measuring stick for shooters.
BLACK should be because it is by far the best, funnest, most amazing shooter ever released.
nothing has even come close to what black did.
this is why bodycount is number 1 on my list, if they did black with the ps2 imagine what they can do with current gen consoles.

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Snaaaake
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 4:12:19 AM
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.......
*Play FFX with tears in my eyes*

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totozero18
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 6:25:38 AM

So I'm not the only one that cries playing any FF?!

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Snaaaake
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 6:43:59 AM

No, I'm crying because this franchise might take a U-Turn.

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JackC8
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 6:46:32 AM
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Aren't these guys supposed to come up with their own ideas? I mean, isn't that what they get paid the big bucks for? Anybody can copy stuff from everybody else. You may as well put an accountant in charge of the project and he can run spreadsheets showing which aspects of which games are the most popular, and then they can compile it all into one massive swirling pile. Stick the Final Fantasy name on it and we'll make millions!

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Beamboom
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 6:49:42 AM
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Oh no, please... We need fewer linear games, not more... *sigh* This is no advance, no breakthrough, this is a step backwards.

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GuernicaReborn
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 10:32:11 AM
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This is like God of War III serving as inspiration for Gran Turismo 5.

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coverton341
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 11:04:46 AM
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Ok, so let me see if I follow this.

Square-Enix execs were sitting in the board room running numbers and saw how well COD and other first person shooters were doing and decided to draw inspiration from them when making FFXIII. After which upon release they heard the rumblings of the fanbase and their general disillusionment with the new direction.

Now they are sitting in the board room running numbers and checking reactions to games and have found that Uncharted 2 is selling AND fans like it immensely so they are going to draw inspiration from that.

I have a better idea, and this may never be realised but hey, here it goes:

Hold an interview with someone, anyone and let fans of the Final Fantasy series call in and give you direct feedback. Have a twitter page for other regions and listen to fan feedback from that. Make a facebook page for feedback and actually listen to it.

I think that it is a great thing when a development team looks at a game that is doing well and they draw inspiration from it and try to do better, WHEN THAT GAME IS IN A GENRE THAT IS COMPARABLE! Stop looking to the best selling game in general and try to base a damn RPG on it. Look at the best selling RPG and base an RPG on it. Come up with something new and innovative in its own right.

Now, all this ranting aside I do like the thought of them getting the player more interactive with the cut scenes but last time they started talking about drawing inspiration from other games it was FPS and well, everyone who has played FFXIII has seen the results.

I will say that it is a terrific game, it's just not a terrific RPG, and it really isn't that great of a Final Fantasy. It could just be the nostalgia kicking in but my favourite moments in FF games were just exploring, building up my characters, searching for all the little hidden nooks and crannies, and doing all the little side things that didn't really matter. This game feels more like I am in the passenger seat of an Indy car (yes I know that don't have passenger seats) and I am just watching the scenery fly by, and what beautiful scenery it is.

Enough of my grumblings though, and here is to hoping that the next instalment takes into consideration some of the main gripes a lot of fans seem to have with this one.

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Highlander
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:38:55 PM

One of the specific joys I find in an RPG comes from building up the party and whichever character(s) I mainly use. The character becomes my 'avatar' in the game, but the party is an extension of me.

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Alienange
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 1:02:31 PM

Indy cars don't have passenger seats!

I can't believe you sai- oh, never mind.

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coverton341
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 2:07:16 PM

Highlander,
Couldn't agree more with you. I was trying to convey that but I don't really know how it came across but therein lies another problem with FFXIII, who is the main character? There doesn't seem to be a main focus on any particular entity to me and therefore I just don't make a real connection to any of the characters. I mean in previous games there was a single "this is the main character" character and you could connect with them as an extension of yourself and therein connect with the entire cast through those interactions as that main character. This is all just my opinion of course.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 1:01:58 PM
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Translation: There will be QTE's in the next FF.

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Highlander
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 1:07:20 PM

...and it will rain continuously...

...and the characters will talk to themselves in film noir style inner dialog...

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Naztycuts
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 1:53:13 PM

haha and might there be a Titan or two? Or enemies will have helmets and glowing orange-red eyes. I'm starting to think they named Lightning after InFamous! I think their copycat approach is going to destroy their franchise in time, they need to stay true to their roots.

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coverton341
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 2:09:35 PM

You guys haven't heard yet? The next FF is going to have a main character who is going after Norse gods, He will have swords chained to his arms and his name will be Cratos.

Watch out for Final Fantasy XV: Lord of War!

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Highlander
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 3:34:32 PM

Don't forget their new downloadable title Little Big Fantasy which is a pseudo 3D platforming take on Crystal Defenders...

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Irievibes
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 5:38:05 PM
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i think squeenix should just finnaly accept that they have wanted to do full cgi movies their entire carreers and sell the ff franchise to hollywood , after all , those holywood producers can write betters scripts with less, shall we say, cheese on it..

next FF will jsut be one huge movie where you just time a button press otherwise it reverts back to the previous chapter if you miss the QTE, it will be called FF:the play button chronicles

or better yet, "Final fantasy tedium sixteen, that has a nicer ring to it, yeah lets go with that"...*piotures the above conversation and shudders*

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BikerSaint
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 6:21:32 PM
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Sounds like wada really wants to handle SE, as if he's driving a run-away Toyota.

And so much so, that SE will probably be taking it's future cues from Heavy Rain for their next big FFXVI project, but with another huge "WESTERLY-WADA'S POTENTLY-PATENTED FLAIR-FAIL" systems added into it.

FFXVI will be played just like a interactive game, except there will be a whole new wada inspired theme of non-interactiveness to it.

SE's will be calling their brand new ground breaking style of game play,.......a "MOVIE"!

(since that's exactly the direction that wada's already stated he wanted to take SE into).

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