PSXE Poll Update: FFXIII Expectations High, But Mixed

Jawknee
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 10:02:22 PM
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Goodness, were to begin. I bought my 60gb PS3 with FFXIII in mind. I feel like I've waited for ever for this title. While its still a good game, plenty to do, lots of pretty cut scenes, environments and characters, great story too, i think its hard to argue this is a "Final Fantasy" in anything but name only. It's starting to feel like a giant battle simulator with a nice story thrown in the mix. The Game Overs are making me want to quite playing but i will push on as i will never play a Final Fantasy and not finish it multiple times!

16 up, 0 down

Jawknee
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 10:44:17 PM

ARGH! Square needs to patch this Game Over crap. This is getting so irritating.

::goes back to FFXIII::

Last edited by Jawknee on 3/14/2010 10:44:33 PM

6 up, 1 down

MyWorstNightmar
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 10:58:22 PM

Jawknee, I am 4 hours into the game, and have had game overs. I have not played other FF's. What is ticking you off? In other FF's, do you just die, and then take control of another member of your group? What would you have SE do to patch this? What could they do, allow you to use a potion to continue on?

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Jawknee
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:11:29 PM

In all other Final Fantasy you have enough control over all your party members that it doesn't matter if the leader dies. You can simply revive him with another party member if your quick enough. The game isn't over until the entire party is down. Not the case with XIII. If your leader falls its Game Over even if your other party members are alive. But if another party member other then the leader falls, it's up to you to revive them. It's unbalanced.

Your still early in the game. Doesn't start getting tough until about 20 hours in. My advice is grind. A lot. You need your leader to be in tip top shape for upcoming boss fights.

Also, there's probably nothing Square can or would do to remedy this problem. I'm just being a brat. It was someones bad idea over at Square and some how it slipped through the cracks. Probably Wada's. ha!

Last edited by Jawknee on 3/14/2010 11:15:36 PM

7 up, 0 down

LegendaryWolfeh
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:12:14 PM

Well in every other FF you don't control just one character, you control everyone on your team, generally about 4 members. And it one dies it's no big deal because you are all of them, just use someone else to use a phoenix down and voila, team's back up, that's how Final Fantasy is supposed to be, should be how any rpg is. I mean wtf, you have another dude standing there, as a medic, and as the game over screen is coming up you can hear them yelling as they cure you or try to do w/e for you, but it doesn't matter because you died. =| ridiculous.

10 up, 0 down

Jawknee
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:13:32 PM

Square wasn't going for a JPRG this time around LegendaryWolfeh. They wanted a Battle Simulator and unfortunately we have to suffer with it.

Last edited by Jawknee on 3/14/2010 11:16:43 PM

7 up, 1 down

kraygen
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:39:04 PM

I also agree with you Jawknee. Are the other 2 members automatically rendered brain dead when you die? Are their brains linked to yours so that if you die, they just shut off?

FF has always been about a party, a team, a family of characters striving to make it through some catastrophe to make the world a better place. Evidently the party is gone on this game and it should have just been a lone wolf type game.

No point to the party, if the party is pointless.

6 up, 0 down

johnld
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:49:28 PM

@Jawknee
I dont mind the game over screen. my problem is no matter how much i grind, theres always 1 guy that can take your leader out with 1 or 2 hits, and sometimes they put more of these guys in one enemy party. i fought against a hover cycle and 2 flying soldiers. cycle uses its ultimate move making my leader char to red bar while my medic is getting stunned by rocket volleys so i cant be healed as the other one sets to finish me off. One other thing that ticked me off is that i cant pick my own team leader. i have a 2 man team, at least let me pick the character i want to use. i dont want to play the medic to keep my group alive especially at the games pace. i dont know how much times i actually healed the wrong person because its starting to become a button masher.

Last edited by johnld on 3/14/2010 11:51:06 PM

2 up, 0 down

Jawknee
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:02:25 AM

@johnld, it's not so much the Game Over screen it's self. It's that the game ends when the leader is dead. I agree too. I'm stuck at a boss that has a one hit kill attack, except everyone survives except the leader. It just seems like an radical and unnecessary departure from previous iterations.

As for being able to pick your leader. It will come but it's still limited to the menu. Won't be able to change leaders in a battle. It also resets all your Paradigm when ever you swap party members.

4 up, 0 down

LegendaryWolfeh
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:03:43 AM

farther in the game you'll get to the point where you'll be allowed to pick your leader, but by that time it'll be pointless and no longer necessary =|

3 up, 0 down

Ultimadream
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 8:19:24 AM

I agree that it was a bad move to make it game over when the leader dies, When your Mage learns Raise they'd be able to revive you.... I can't figure out why they did that.

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Highlander
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 10:14:19 AM

YOu know, as much as everyone wants to praise the graphics, the auto-combat, not being able to pick the leader, game over when the leader dies thing seems to me to be something that in many games would be considered a game breaker. I mean, I'm thinking of all the other RPGs I've played. If you modified each of their combat systems to make it automatic, and that you couldn't choose who you control, and you made it so that if they are incapacitated/die it's Game Over, and further you allowed the game AI to target the leader in such a way that this was essentially unavoidable...well, it wouldn't take long for people to hammer the game into the ground over what would be called a game breaking design feature.

Now look, I'm not hating on it, and I've not played it, but I'm getting a lot of frustration between the lines of the above posts, you know?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 10:28:24 AM

john: Any time an enemy has a move like that, use Sentinel. I know what you're talking about in regards to that hover bike; its Gatling Gun ability could kill either Snow or Hope instantly. But as soon as I saw the bike charging that skill, I instantly switched to Sentinel and did Provoke and SteelGuard.

Snow blocked most of the bullets and I was barely hurt at all. Sentinel is very useful in such situations.

Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 3/15/2010 10:28:39 AM

2 up, 0 down

Jawknee
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 11:38:50 AM

Highlander, you will love and hate the game. That pretty much sums it up.

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johnld
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 1:43:01 PM

@ben
yeah, i figured that out after a few tries. kinda forgot that sentinels had that ability since i havent used snow a long time.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 10:04:58 PM
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I really don't think it will be a contender at all. As sweet as it is, GOTY it won't be. SE has made too many concessions this time around, and I do hope they learn how to bring FF back for real some day.

14 up, 1 down

Jawknee
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 10:12:20 PM

Thinks its a coincidence that once again, a former Sony exclusive gets mediocre reception after going multiplat?

and as for GOTY? Yea, i'm in agreement. No way, no how, no where.

11 up, 0 down

SmokeyPSD
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 10:15:00 PM

I really doubt they will learn quite honestly.

7 up, 0 down

johnld
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:52:53 PM

why do i get the feeling that they wont go back to how FF was but instead try something else new next time. "well that didnt work, lets come up with a new thing, the old way is too outdated to work with twitch gamers."

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darxed
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 10:20:20 PM
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Perhaps if it hadn't been released so early in the year, I mean if killzone 2 didn't win it last year, I don't think FFXIII will win GOTY at the end of this one...

Last edited by darxed on 3/14/2010 10:20:34 PM

0 up, 5 down

johnld
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:54:40 PM

its up against heavy rain and god of war 3 along with its mixed reception, GOTY is slightly out of reach.

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Milonakis
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 10:20:57 PM
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Gran Turismo and God of War are releasing this year, FF XIII can't win.

12 up, 1 down

NoSmokingBandit
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 10:21:59 PM
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GOTY? No. If only because its march and early games often get ignored. God of War 3, The Last Guardian, and GT5 are going to be tough games to beat this year too, and who knows what else will come in this fall... Maybe the elusive game Ben can't tell us about?

Last edited by NoSmokingBandit on 3/14/2010 10:22:20 PM

4 up, 0 down

johnld
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:58:02 PM

i'd bet its a goty for 360, nothing really great coming for it so far. probably Mass effect 2 and bioshock 2 are its only competition. For PS3, i just dont see it competing with all of sony's exclusive games here and are coming up.

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oldmike
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 2:59:10 AM

ME2 is a better game then FF13 on the 360
on the PS3 heavy rain and GoW3 are my picks

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Jawknee
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 10:32:13 PM

I agree. its kind of like IX. I was a great game, but i didn't tickle me the way VII and VII or even XII did for that matter. But at least in IX we could still fight our own battles. Blagh! im hating this battle system more and more as i go.

4 up, 0 down

WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 10:36:16 PM

Yeah, I expected IX to be something wholly different, and to release on the PS2, it was like a nice little addition, like a quality spin off, but it didn't tickle my FF bone so much either.

0 up, 1 down

Jawknee
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 10:52:29 PM

Nope, I'm talking about IX. Forgot to mention X. I liked X better then IX too.

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chedison
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:02:55 PM

I often hear this about IX. Personally, it was just as good at VII. It was definitely better than VIII. VIII or XII might be the worst for me.

1 up, 1 down

LegendaryWolfeh
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:14:37 PM

Bleh, IX was totally better than X =P it had a world map, towns, and an actual old styled final fantasy feel. and yes full team control ftw. Also did anyone else play around with the co-op control of FFIX? if you had another controller in you could change the control and give say two people control of two chara's during battle and you be the other two, but it's only for the battle scenes and nothing else, it was kind of neat to do.

2 up, 2 down

Scarecrow
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:14:50 PM

IX was better than VII in my opinion

2 up, 2 down

chedison
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 1:14:48 AM

man im glad people agree with me about IX :(. I really liked the characters in it, even though they were a little odd.

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Thrill Kill
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 8:16:49 AM

VI was the best for me, then VII,VIII,IX...I disliked X...just didn't do it for me. XII didn't either.

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totozero18
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 9:32:46 AM

@Legendarywolfeh, yup I tried it here, it was really cool, as I always end up watch friends as they play or my friends are watching as I play, so the multiplayer battle was great.

(Also I love Crystal Chronicles just for that) Fav FF's Definitely VII, X, IV, VIII, VI, IX, and idk if spin-off's count but Crisis Core rocked and I yes I cried like a baby when I finished it.

*FFVII SPOILERS kinda, did you guys know that right after you reconstruct cloud's memory in Mideel you can go to Shinra Mansion and you see CC's ending? SPOILERS*

Last edited by totozero18 on 3/15/2010 9:34:51 AM

1 up, 0 down

Jawknee
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 11:47:07 AM

Crystal Chronicles is...how can i say this...Blagh!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 10:34:39 PM
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Sadly I doubt it will be much of a contender for RPG of the year.

5 up, 1 down

johnld
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:00:10 AM

maybe if it was more of an rpg than an action game it could be in the running, hahaha.

5 up, 0 down

WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 9:18:27 AM

yeah that's what I was getting at.

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Fane1024
Saturday, March 27, 2010 @ 6:18:02 PM

How is it an action game if you don't control anything?

It sounds more like a real-time strategy game than anything else, but with only three units and a restricted battlefield.

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tes37
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 10:40:19 PM
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I love the game, but it wouldn't get a GOTY vote from me. I will however, vote for the return of the missing elements.

7 up, 0 down

Jawknee
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 10:53:24 PM

Same. I'm still stuck at that same part i was an hour ago. I'm going to grind for like 2 days, and then kick the crap out of that boss. ;)

2 up, 0 down

tes37
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:13:05 PM

I'm getting close to chapter 8, so I'm going to be facing whatever Boss you're having a tough time with pretty soon.

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Jawknee
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:19:25 PM

Yup. it's on Chapter 9. That is all I'll say. :)

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johnld
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:05:04 AM

@jawknee
theres really no point to grind a lot because theres a limit to how strong your character at certain points of the game. hell, i found a good place to grind and did it for a while. Then i found out that the next level of that damn crystal thing is still not available till i finished chapters of the game. I ended up with an extra 30000 cp while i max out my characters but can still be taken out by some enemies pretty easily. I'm not liking this unlocking abilities as you progress through the story. This not receiving gil and less enemy item drops blows too.

Last edited by johnld on 3/15/2010 12:05:47 AM

7 up, 0 down

Jawknee
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:07:12 AM

@johnld, Good god, your right. WUAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

This just keeps getting worse. ha!

5 up, 0 down

Jawknee
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 1:16:26 AM

YEA! Beat that damned boss. Grinding till my characters reached the allowed maximum seemed to help.

3 up, 0 down

WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 10:58:04 PM
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It is a strange feeling to really like a game, recognize what is solid about both the game and story, and yet still feel disenfranchised. Basically I'd like to thank SE for the game and all their hard work, then beat them upside the head. Hard.

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Alienange
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:02:29 PM
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You'd have scored this a 9.7 if it WASN'T a FF game? Wouldn't that mean a certain biased made it into your review? Why can't each FF be reviewed independent of the last?

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chedison
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:04:32 PM

Doesn't make sense to me either. Nostalgia of a name doesn't have to hold you back from enjoying a great game.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:10:02 PM

Because at least in my opinion, a game within an established franchise really must keep a certain something of itself in order to be worthy. It isn't some Dirge spinoff, it is supposed to be a full fledged RPG that doesn't rat out it's fans for 30 pieces of silver.

Imagine Die Hard without McLane, Uncharted without climbing, GOW without QTE's, COD without fanboys. It just wouldn't compute man!

Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 3/14/2010 11:12:27 PM

10 up, 0 down

Jawknee
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:12:15 PM

"COD without fanboys"

hahahaha

8 up, 3 down

MyWorstNightmar
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:14:11 PM

I guess Square should have called the game something else, then release it in November, and they could have been in contention for GOTY.

4 up, 2 down

tes37
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:15:52 PM

What you say sounds good on the surface, but SE claims this to be a FF rpg. So SE invited the bias opinion. It got one from me.

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Jawknee
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:22:38 PM

Me too. If you attach a name like Final Fantasy to a game, your going to expect Final Fantasy, not some wannabe action RPG dressed up like Final Fantasy. I was duped.

I mean it's still a fun game. That's for sure. There's a lot holding it back from being a real Final Fantasy. I think Square said once this was supposed to be greater then VII. errr...maybe next time, maybe not they serious about having Uncharted influence the next entry. Capcom went that route with Resident Evil 5, talking inspiration from Gears and Halo, and look how that turned out. Poopy.

Last edited by Jawknee on 3/14/2010 11:27:42 PM

7 up, 0 down

NeoHumpty
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:24:09 PM

Ben admitted to his bias in the review, and said that anyone who hadn't played FF's before wouldn't score it so low. It was a disappointment thing.

About naming it something else, I stated before a great name for it. Final Fantasy: Focus. It works on a couple of levels and would've kept the fans at bay.

I can still see a little FF in it, though. I hate that the leader dying ends the game, but I am getting used to it. Buffing the heck out of them helps.

The poll says that it will be ONE of the games of the year, not THE one. I can see that, so voted yes.

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Oyashiro
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:42:54 PM

@tes37 - SE also says that Tomb Raider and Hitman are RPGs. I don't think they know what a RPG is anymore.

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kraygen
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:48:32 PM

It is ok to lower the score due to it being named final fantasy and not being similar to previous FF's. Why can't we rate each one of its own, I'll explain.

It would be like Lucasarts releasing a game called Star Wars: Sith Dominance, but there not being any sith, jedi, empire, storm or clone troopers, or space ships.

Thats how I see it, you expect things from certain titles because those titles always have them.

2 up, 0 down

tes37
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:13:54 AM

@ Oyashiro

Maybe that's just part of their newfound sick sense of humor.

1 up, 0 down

Jawknee
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:17:55 AM

Seriously, wth happened to Square? Nobuo Uemastu leaves, then that clown Wada takes over and now they seem to only be Square in name only.

5 up, 0 down

Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 1:07:08 AM

Yeah, I explained in my review how I feel. I tried to make it clear.

3 up, 0 down

Jawknee
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 1:17:56 AM

You were Crystarium clear Ben.

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www
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 7:21:12 AM

They shoulda just called it 'Twitch Fantasy I' and it woulda scored higher.

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Highlander
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 10:18:34 AM

@oyashiro

"SE also says that Tomb Raider and Hitman are RPGs. I don't think they know what a RPG is anymore. "

SE is attempting to redefine the term RPG using the broadest meaning possible. The difficulty for me there is that every video game is an RPG by that definition since you play a 'role' in every game you play. SE should have stuck to what they were once good at.

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Alienange
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:45:55 PM

I tend to believe that if FFXIII is a part of a beloved series, which it is, it should have been cut some slack rather than be condemned for not being the same as it's predecessors.

In fact, isn't that what many said about FFVIII? That it was a weak attempt at emulating the success of FFVII and therefore wasn't as good? And yet here we are years later and everyone's got fond memories of both of them.

I think we're a little too harsh on our favorite series sometimes.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:58:11 PM

Alien, you'll understand if you ever play it.

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Alienange
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 3:06:08 PM

You're probably right World.

Can't wait for the weekend!

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iPwn_3G
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:15:16 PM
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Its gonna be GOW3 with the GOTY. 100% certian

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LegendaryWolfeh
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:15:43 PM
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I think FFXIII totally deserves a FF nomination, but in no way does it deserve a win. I mean, atm, I don't see much else that would be GoTY status, GoW3, GT5, maybe the last guardian, but other than that? i mean I guess halo:reach will be on their to keep the 360 ppl happy but I don't see anything being able to compete with GoW3 or GT5

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Zemus101
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:47:15 PM

I agree, it's an excellent game but I certainly wouldn't see it being GOTY. Even though I'm not really a fan I'm pretty sure GoW3 will win on epicness alone.

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Scarecrow
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:15:44 PM
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Haven't played it, so won't really vote. But on based solely on the facts + the review here at psxe; there's no way this game has a chance at Game of the year.

6 up, 2 down

Jawknee
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:19:51 PM

What you say is true.

4 up, 1 down

Zemus101
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:46:04 PM
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I picked up FFXIII the day it came out and wasn't sure what to expect. I heard a lot of negative (compared to most FF reviews) before playing it, but I'm at about 30+ hours in right now and there hasn't been a single aspect of the game that I haven't enjoyed. It just keeps getting better. Pulse baby! Was a very welcome change at the exact right time :D I'm also just figuring out how to upgrade equipment properly.

Hmm ...only complaint I would have (and it's extremely minor) is those Eidolon battles, the first couple I died because I wasn't 100% sure what I had to do. Of course once I tried a few things and figured it out it wasn't a problem anymore. It just felt a little strange...

I absolutely love the difficultly so far, only time in the entire 30+ hours I got a tad frusterated was during one boss fight, that mushroom turtle guy? I can't even remember what he looks like to be honest, so long ago... a friend reminded me of the details. Has what looks like a flower on top. Anyways, died once on him after a good 20 minutes widdling him down.

Anyways, I've been playing FF for more than 20 years and it has always been my favorite franchise (and will stay that way for a long time I'm sure) I really hope this story pays off in the end because at this point, that's about the only thing that could disapoint.

Last edited by Zemus101 on 3/14/2010 11:49:13 PM

2 up, 1 down

Jawknee
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:05:49 AM

Everyone keeps saying "wait for Gran Pulse, it'll get better." That's cool, but the fact that has to even be said says something about the first half of this game.

7 up, 1 down

NeoHumpty
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 1:03:44 AM

I've enjoyed the first half. I am just about at Pulse now, I think. Looking forward to it getting even better. It was awkward at first, but after I went around slaying bad guys to grind for a couple hours, I'm finally in the swing of it. I was trying to rush through the last level or so, but hit a wall when I found a boss that whooped me pretty badly. Came back and felt great to return the favor. I forgot how much leveling yourself up can help out in a game. I see many more hours ahead of getting stronger. My favorite aspect of an RPG.

Honestly, you have so many things that you can do in battle that the automated set-up is needed to keep up with the pace of them. At least, it is for me. I'm even learning to like not having MP to worry about and how the Summons are set up. There is a definite learning curve while getting used to it, though.

I'd have rated it a 9+, but put a warning on it that it is not like the old turn-based games.

1 up, 1 down

Jawknee
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 1:12:03 AM

Neohumpty, the only things i wish were different, i wish they would let you change party leader in the middle of a fight like in XII and that the game didn't end if the party leader dies. Everything else I'm over.

2 up, 0 down

NeoHumpty
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 8:26:31 AM

Agreed. Switching would be very helpful.

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goodgamer
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:54:09 PM
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Jawknee have u play demons souls , saunds like you not

0 up, 6 down

Jawknee
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:04:16 AM

Actually i have. How is this relevent to FFXIII? They are two completely different types of RPG's. In Demon's Soul's you are alone. Final Fantasy you are not. You have a team. Teams work together, when the party leader is dead, suddenly team work is no longer the priority.

Last edited by Jawknee on 3/15/2010 12:04:29 AM

7 up, 0 down

Underdog15
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 9:18:25 AM

I think Jawknee raises a good point. I could almost understand the whole leader-death-game-over scenario if you only controlled one player the whole game. However, the fact that the game lets you use each and every member as a leader at some point negates the legitimacy of focusing solely on the leader. It takes away a huge element of strategy from your play, having to back-peddle to make sure the leader above all is safe.

Makes it risky to use your leader as a sentinel.

And it's a little weird one would attempt to cut Jawknee down with such poor grammar... side note I suppose...

2 up, 0 down

kraygen
Sunday, March 14, 2010 @ 11:55:34 PM
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I actually see a problem with the question. There doesn't seem to be a definitive place that is GOTY. Lots of websites give goty awards, lots of conferences, some shows. Which one is the deciding factor?

I think ffxiii has a chance of winning goty somewhere just due to the sheer amount of goty awards given out each year. Spike tv has its awards, ign does, gdc, gamespy, gamespot.

With all these options I think it's not only possible that likely ffxiii will win at least 1 from somebody.

Do I think they will sweep the board, heck no. Most likely most goty awards will once again go to a ps3 exclusive. Which 1 I'm not sure, it could always go to something that we haven't even heard of yet.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:05:28 AM

well, it think most people look towards Spike's VGA's as the 'official' one but dunno

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MyWorstNightmar
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:11:44 AM

Alan Wake maybe? Just thinking outside the box for the 360's sake.

If Wake ends up being average to below average, then it has to be a PS3 exclusive. Heavy Rain, GOW3, GT5.

What huge multiplats are coming out this year besides Bioshock 2? I can't think of any.

Come to think of it, Mario Galaxy 2 is coming out soon, and perhaps a new Zelda game is soon to come.

Last edited by MyWorstNightmar on 3/15/2010 12:13:09 AM

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Jawknee
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:18:34 AM

I was interested in Allen Wake until i realized its yet, another shooter on the Xbox.

3 up, 0 down

kraygen
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 4:25:51 AM

@ Legendarywolfeh

Not sure about spike, sometimes their choices are utterly ridiculous. I've seem them leave out obvious choices for awards and choose winners that were obviously sub-par.

They have gotten better the last couple of years but I'd still question it.

I think in general video game companies need to get together and make a definitive awards show. That would be best.

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Highlander
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 10:21:14 AM

Re : Alan Wait

I think that the time when GOTY went to a shooter might finally be over. GOTY to me needs to be a game that does something truly innovative. Not a game that simply refines the FPS mechanic for the umpteenth time.

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chedison
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 9:08:42 PM

Lets not forget about The Last Gaurdian coming out this year.... hoping?

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just2skillf00l
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:45:09 AM
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GOTY for FF13, TBH...I never even considered it...after I started playing it. Yeah, it's a great game if you weren't expecting anything else from it (Meaning you've never played a JRPG in your life). Most people that are considering playing or are currently playing this game probably have played a JRPG. Like Jawknee said earlier...to the fans of the FF franchise, this game has detered, Big Time!

Calling FF13 a FF game is like meeting up with a hot chick and you dig her. The next time you meet her, (she probably forgot about you liking her or maybe she just never got the obvious flirtatious behavior you had with her) she looks different...plastic surgery (she was very insecure...). That is completely unacceptable. After the plastic surgery...she looks at tad bit awkward, and barely recognizable from her original and natural beauty. I mean she still looks good but if you had seen her before you would wonder why she would want to alter her physical appearance to begin with. Her name is still the same but the fact that she looked more appealing the first time makes you want her to change her name. This is because you realize she will never look as great as she would if she never got the surgery in the first place.

In the end, you're happy she still looks good but you wonder at the amazing potential she had just being the way she was intended to...exclusive.

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Jawknee
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 1:14:56 AM
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Buaha some tool on Destructoid is blaming the PS3 and Blue Ray for the Xbox versions down graded visuals. He said if it wasn't for the PS3 and Blue Ray the game would have been designed around the DVD and would have been better on Xbox. These kids are from another planet i swear.

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Highlander
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 10:23:15 AM

ROLFLMAO! So, had the game been designed around DVD, the game could have played with better resolution on the 360? Oh yes, and my Atari 2600 would play it better if it had been designed around 4-bit graphics and cartridges with less memory capacity than my digital watch (from the 80's)!

Last edited by Highlander on 3/15/2010 10:23:38 AM

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Jawknee
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 11:44:33 AM

Sad thing is, he's not the only bot I've heard use that argument. My Bots complain all the time that the games "don't need blue ray." They love to watch Blue Ray movies, but when it comes to games, some how the DVD is better.

errr...yea.

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Highlander
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 11:53:27 AM

What're they gonna say when the 720 (or whatever it's called) comes out and needs more than DVD?

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Jawknee
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:14:43 PM

MS will release it with a Blue Ray player in it and tell all their bots its actually a Super DVD powered by Unreal 5.0. They will believe it too. ha

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Milonakis
Tuesday, March 16, 2010 @ 12:28:33 AM

Let's use low tech things from now on to kiss $softs @$$. Maybe we could all just switch to ie so that websites won't be hurt by firefox's abilities.

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just2skillf00l
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 1:34:59 AM
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The 360 fanboys must have some kind of cult where they brainstorm to formulate their own impossible backwards sense of truth to twist and manipulate their own realities in order to resist the power and superiority of the PS3. Basically, they're in constant denial of the hard facts. The difficult life of a 360 fanboy...would make for a great comical tragedy I must admit. While they formulate lies to compete with us, we just stick to the honest to God truth. The PS3 really does do everything...and makes our jobs defending it so much easier. PS3 FTW!

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Jawknee
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 2:18:25 AM

just google Final Fantasy XIII and look for the Google/Desturctoid headline "Only idiots blame the 360 for FF XIII's linearity."

Conveniently that tool Jim changes the headline on the actual Destructiod page to a broader one.

Last edited by Jawknee on 3/15/2010 2:18:43 AM

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Underdog15
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 9:26:08 AM

@just2skillf00l

I think, actually, there's a name for that kind of issue. What's the Psychological Disorder where if you tell yourself the same thing enough times, it finally becomes true in your own mind despite what the actual reality of the situation is??

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 10:24:13 AM

The mere fact that Destructoid puts the word "idiots" in a headline should tell you everything you need to know about that place.

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Jawknee
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 11:41:15 AM

Yea i just shake my head. I can't believe those tools are even allowed to publish crap like that. I assume their editors are a bunch of lunatic Bots as well.

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Underdog15
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 5:14:52 PM

Or someone's annoying and rejected younger cousin...

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just2skillf00l
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 3:47:43 AM
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Foolishness from destructoid website article about FF13...

"If you look at it that way, you could almost blame the PS3 for XIII's limitations. If the PS3 wasn't so damn good, Square Enix wouldn't have had to make such a great looking game and sink so much time and money into the graphics, concentrating instead on making a bigger and better title".

Finished the article and Jawknee I gotta say, ignorance is comical.

One thing he said I could agree with was the fact that FF13 would have boasted the same new paradigm battle system despite it's exclusive or multiplatform status. So I commend this one point. SE is the only one to blame for this giant deviation from previous FF titles. However, his comment I pasted above is downright ignorant.

Blaming the PS3 for being a limitless powerhouse is clearly idiotic. The 360 is like a magnet designed for pulling in these blind and logic-less guys (Not all but a noteworthy chunk of them).

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Highlander
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 10:24:54 AM

So, what they are saying is...

The PS3 is to blame because it is too good.

LOL! OK, Sony will accept the blame because the PS3 is too good. Hell, I will accept that blame too, so long as everyone recognizes that the PS3 is too good.

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Jawknee
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 11:42:40 AM

That guy Jim is the idiot. Just about everyone of his articles are fanboy rants about how much he loves MS and hates Sony. Sometimes i don't even think he believes the crap he writes and does it just to bait people so they can get hits.

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Fane1024
Saturday, March 27, 2010 @ 6:27:30 PM

Looks like it worked: you apparently convinced a bunch of people here (who should know better) to go read it.

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Mavfan321
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 3:59:51 AM
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VII and (yes I will be shunned for admitting) VIII will always be my favorite FF's one because they brought me into the series. Two they have all the things (mini games, side quests air ships) I've loved about Final Fantasy games. My GOTY so far has to be Heavy Rain.

Last edited by Mavfan321 on 3/15/2010 4:00:24 AM

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Ultimadream
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 4:02:26 AM
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There's been many new sensational release over the last couple of months, The GotY award is going to be a tight competition. I personally think it should have a chance, but with all the nuetral feedback its getting i think Heavy Rain or GoW III will have a better chance.

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Snaaaake
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 4:20:23 AM
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WHY WHY WHY DID FF HAS TO GO THIS WAY!?!?!!??!??!?!?!!!??!?!?!!?!??!?!?!?!
I have never been so frustrated about a game in my whole gaming life.........

As more people play FFXIII I learn more about it, I can forgive everything else but there's only one thing I will never forgive is that you only control one character and if she/he die it's game over.......

So far I only watched people playing it but it's enough to make me love FFXIII, sigh......if only we have control over all characters then this will be my favourite FF of all time but sadly we don't..........

Last edited by Snaaaake on 3/15/2010 4:21:15 AM

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SvenMD
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 11:26:28 AM

Snakey boy - I really don't think you should make an assumption either way (whether you like it or not), until you actually PLAY the game.

Watching people play gives you ZERO control over the characters, so I could see why it might not be your favorite.....

Last edited by SvenMD on 3/15/2010 11:27:02 AM

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D1g1tal5torm
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 4:41:59 AM
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After playing this as a non RPG fan.

It's a bit stop-starty.

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Underdog15
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 9:34:38 AM

I actually thought it had a good balance between story and fighting. I find that if there's too long of a string of twitch fighting, it becomes monotonous. Obviously, when you have to grind out a couple levels in RPG's, you can expect this sort of thing, and in that case, I enjoy the thrill of reaching the next level. However, when you want to advance, you want to advance. Have too much of one particular area, and the battles become too similar if you remain in the same area too long.

Additionally, the number of "story breaks", or whatever, give purpose to each small advancement you make in a level, and for many of us, the story is one of the most important elements. Guys like us enjoy games that allow us to relate to characters and their emotions. Constant action (although good at intense moments) would just be another all out twitchy experience and remain dissimilar to other games on the market.

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D1g1tal5torm
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 10:09:23 AM

I'm only an hour in as I'm reading all the datalog items as I go.

I understand the need for the battle system, but at the moment it feels, like run a few metres fights 3 things, run a few metres fight a few more things, run a few metres fight a dew more things, etc.

Is this the usual flow of one of these games?

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Underdog15
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:11:32 PM

Sort of...

In past FF's, while bosses or special events might trigger a battle by touching or talking to them, there used to be something called "Random Encounters". Back in the day, you'd be running around on the world map, dungeon, or w/e, and randomly the screen would swirl, or shatter (whatever the special effect) and you'd enter a battle screen. Most FF's would have 4 (Newer except 9 only have 3) party members. They'd line up, and you'd wait for the ATB gauge to fill up. Then you get a chance to enter in commands. Depending on your confidence, you could have time continuously flow while selecting commands or have it freeze time while you decide what to do.

But yeah, typically, while exploring and solving dungeons, figuring out your next move, you are interrupted by random battles. In FFXII and FFXIII, you can see the enemies before you fight them. Random encounters are what most people loyal to FF's enjoy doing. It's traditionally a game for those who enjoy strategy and an addictive storyline.

My apologies to everyone for sidetracking away from the article on this reply.

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Athrin
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 7:13:02 AM
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Sad to say i think that this is the end for the FF series as a RPG genre. Those morons at squeenix will turn it into a Actio/Adventure like Uncharted. Lets hope WKC and DA:O keep up their great work and replace FF as top dog in the RPG world. And forget GOTY. Nest Action/Adventure of the year yes.

Last edited by Athrin on 3/15/2010 7:17:07 AM

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Highlander
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 10:26:36 AM

This is certainly the end for the FF series being considered a genre defining series of games. I feel that FFXIII is a conscious abdication of that role.

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kraygen
Tuesday, March 16, 2010 @ 3:14:39 AM

I don't know you could still call it genre defining. It defines the genre for games that have no particular genre at all.

FFXIII leading the way in the Mixed Mutt genre!

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www
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 7:23:28 AM
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Well SE never cared about us so......I don't care, just like the rest of the world....nobody cares....

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Thrill Kill
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 8:01:11 AM
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GT5 should get game of the year.

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Highlander
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 10:27:21 AM

This could turn out to be a very bold, and very accurate prediction - if Polyphony can get past the point of almost being ready to release this time.

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Thrill Kill
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 1:10:09 PM

I also would like to see The Last Guardian win it(don't know until I play it but i have a sneaking suspicion it will be phenomenal). GT5 really doesn't need the accolades..

p.s. random thought, but has anybody seen Bronson? just watched it recently and it is a great movie. Highly recommend it.

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gumbi
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 8:36:59 AM
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I had my reservations about buying this one, but i couldn't wait to try it out... so for the first time in a long time i rented.

I'm about 10 hours in and so far I have to say most of the negativity is unfounded. The few things I do have a gripe with are not the things that were making headlines. As for linearity, meh, it actually reminds me a lot of FFX. and I LOVED FFX.

Good:
Story - Compelling and well written. (yeah it can be a bit cheesy and campy, but if you follow any japanese media this is pretty typical)
Visuals - WOW! This game is stunning. nuff said.
Learning curve - as complicated as the game systems may be, it does a good job warming you up to them.

Bad:
Clunky camera and controls! what the hell man? It is completely impossible to run and move your camera at the same time. It jumps around like a kid on crack. And your characters movement feels terribly unnatural. It's too basic, like PS1 movement in PS3 graphics.

Unsure:
I don't know if I like this battle system or not yet... I'm still waiting to see if It'll grow on me, so far... it's definitely not my favourite.

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Underdog15
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 9:41:47 AM

Actually, what you say isn't all that different from what everyone's been saying. The only real differences are that you don't mind linearity, and that while most people don't like the battle system, you're simply undecided. At least in FFX, you got to explore towns and visit REAL shops.

As for me, I'm not finished the game yet... so, I'll conclude once I get to see the flexibility at the end. So far, however, my exploring behavior, I'm sure, has allowed me to EASILLY obtain every treasure... without really trying... It's too easy to explore. lol.

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SvenMD
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 11:33:26 AM

Gumbi - I pretty much agree. My big complaint is the camera, both walking and in battle. Sometimes I just want a broad overview of the battle from the side (kinda like what I'm used to) and the game keeps changing angles and bouncing around cause they think it looks cool. Then it zooms in after a stagger and just stays there.

Sometimes I just wish it would do what I wanted it to do.

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Jawknee
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 11:39:57 AM

I don't care about how linear it is either. It works with how they are telling the story. If you read my above posts, the biggest problem with the game is the battle mechanics. Its no longer an RPG. I don't know what it is.

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nogoat23
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 10:25:08 AM
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I'd say it's worth a nomination. It's probably going to end up being in the top 5, but I don't think it's going to win. GT5 and GOW3 have a better chance at this point.

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Dante399
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 11:01:30 AM
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I'm deep into the game and the gameplay gets a bit better gradually especially when the enemies get tougher, I'm starting to like it (putting aside all the anticipation i had put into it) and i'm more enjoying the graphics and the cut scenes than the gameplay itself. I paid to enjoy it so I plan to do so.
GOTY? nah its place is 5 and below. (better luck next time SE ;) and fire whoever in charge of the battle system.

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DIsmael85
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 1:30:54 PM
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I'd like to add that it's worth being nominated. I've had thorough time with the Japanese version and while now playing through the English version of the game I understand the story a whole lot more. It's very emotional just like any of the other Final Fantasy's before it. While I know a lot of people have been thrown off from the game play, I think this is just the case of Gamers being to picky. When was the last time anyone here has played a Next-Gen turn-based RPG? They don't make them very often, sure the series had to try some new things, but with the way the "Twitch" gaming market is right now, it works in their favor. We are mostly hardcore fans being displeased with one of our favorite game series, but you honestly knew deep down that it was going to be like that forever. Did none of you play Final Fantasy 12? Hell, even Final Fantasy X-2 was changing the game play, and that was still turn based. Looking aside from the linearity of the game, it is truly a game worthy of the Final Fantasy name. Just enjoy it for the story like we have all enjoyed the past Final Fantasy games. It was always about the story and the gorgeous graphics. Square in my opinion did not disappoint with this game. They have proved that the garbage they have put out in the past wasn't from them. Just have the Square-Enix logo on it, haha.
Also Jawknee, if you have ever played Persona 3 and enjoyed it, the battle system for both FF13 and Persona 3 are the same.

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Jawknee
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 1:54:34 PM

Actually its a case of gamers wanting Final Fantasy to return to its roots.

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DIsmael85
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 2:57:16 PM

Well gamers don't always get what they want now do they. We have way to many FPS's out there, and I want those to simmer down, but because of the masses of people who buy them we are stuck with tons of them. We "Gamers" are the minority when it comes to the casual or most people who will buy these games. I understand what you mean, but I can accept this Final Fantasy for what it is. I also love RPG's and Persona was great.

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Jawknee
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 8:45:49 PM

"We have way to many FPS's out there, and I want those to simmer down,"

Agreed.

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hehateme
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 3:32:03 PM
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man where do i start??? besides looking like borderlands graphics(which are good but whatever) EXCEPT on cut scenes but thats cut scenes they are suppose to look that good....
its almost like im in a invisible tunnel and i can only run in almost a straight line.... i think on chapter 3 or 4 there are live wires? i guess on the floor and it sparks.... somtimes i run to one thinking i found an item and lol nothing..... i gotta remember this game has nothing like that.... right about now im heavily invested into the storyline and with this one I honestly could not care less,

its a cool game..but its Final Fantasy 13 its suppose to be amazing 50% of why i dropped 600 and the other 50% is going in my PS3 today!!! atleast they dont screw over an already massive fanbase... i remember the good ol days when i would turn on my ps2 and JUST level up for hours and thats it.... just play to level up... FF is dead to me, its just another rpg among thousands,, Id rather honestly no lie just play 7,8,9, or 10 again....

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DIsmael85
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 3:36:39 PM

I don't even know what to say, except that's is your opinion, and I guess, well you can't please everyone. However, Borderlands graphics?!?! I mean seriously, you can compare this game to any game out there and you chose Borderlands? This is why I say RPG's will never go back to the way they were, it's just not gonna happen.

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hehateme
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 3:42:02 PM
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yeah thats the feeling i got running around the cut scenes are A++++++ cut scenes are amazing, but it stops there? and why is there so many damn save points?

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hehateme
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 3:42:02 PM
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yeah thats the feeling i got running around the cut scenes are A++++++ cut scenes are amazing, but it stops there? and why is there so many damn save points?

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DIsmael85
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 4:13:53 PM

I didn't know which one of the double posts to reply to. Haha. I guess there are way to many save points thrown about in the game, but in terms of graphics they are up there with Uncharted. It would be a very disgraceful thing to say they aren't. I know in the back of everyone's mind they are saying, well it's on Xbox 360. True that it is, but remember it's on 3 Discs. Borderlands isn't that good looking. You are giving Borderlands some good credit haha.

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telly
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 4:25:47 PM
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I've said it before and I'll say it now -- Final Fantasy's made some pretty major missteps in every chapter since VII, in my opinion. I've pretty much expected XIII would continue the trend -- world-class presentation, an amazing world as only Square seems capable of imagining, neat characters, but boring/repetitive battles, needlessly convoluted plot lines, and on and on. The linearity in this one sounds terrible, but I'll give it a whirl soon... AFTER I've played the hell out of God of War III ;)

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Irievibes
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 4:39:42 PM
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i agree, if santa monica, and polophony studios have anything to say in this matter, FF has no chance in hell of a goty nomination lol, havent played it yet, but after reading all the reviews of the people playing it (esp jawknees) seems ill probably get rather irritated with this game...

i like a challenge, but that stuff....thats downright asnine irritating THAT i dont enjoy in games...irritating stuff can quickly kill a game for me tbh

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DIsmael85
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 5:36:15 PM

And this is the reason Final Fantasy will never go back to the way it was before. I'm all up for God of War 3, but it's only a 10 hour game. Wow! Gran Turismo better be good. We don't know jack squat and so far Forza is wowing people. You shouldn't knock it until you've tried it, and you can bet your ass I will own God of War 3 and Gran Turismo 5. Reviews don't mean crap.

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kraygen
Tuesday, March 16, 2010 @ 3:24:14 AM

@ Dismael85

Ummmm no offense but I think you claimed every reason under the sun is why FF will never go back to the way it was and I don't think any of them made sense.

Can you explain how the game being full of irritating stuff that can quickly kill a game for someone is why ff won't go back the way it was.

Seriously I'm just curious.

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DIsmael85
Tuesday, March 16, 2010 @ 11:14:16 PM

It would take way to long to explain this to people why Final Fantasy wont return to the way it was. The only way to do that is for you to get off the Internet and see what people actually buy out in the real world. How many copies of Final Fantasy sold on day 1? Compare that to Call of Duty perhaps. Square knew what they needed to do, and believe me 13 is way away from the garbage that have produced in the past. All the comments on here seem to sprout from one known fact. Fanboys are pissed because the game is on the Xbox 360. I'm a huge Playstation guy, hell "PSX Extreme" could summarize my feelings for Playstation, but let it be known, as opinionated by Ben in another topic, that the "twitch" gaming market is the reason Final Fantasy changed, and the reason why people want things different all the time. I feel Final Fantasy 13 blended in a good amount of RPG with something knew without making it a boring game. They aren't out to please the fanboys, they are trying to make a game that will sell to many people, not just a minority of people. Think about that for a second.

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Vitron
Tuesday, March 16, 2010 @ 9:21:30 AM
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It couldn't be helped

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Skatejimmy5
Thursday, March 18, 2010 @ 10:38:12 AM
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Like every other FFXIII poll, I can't vote. I have no interest what so ever in JRPGs like FF or anything like it. But I respect everyone else's opinion. I would however like if you included a "I didn't play it" option everytime you do a game-specific poll question.

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