Hideo Kojima: The Days Of Consoles Are Numbered
See Full ImageTypically, one listens when Hideo Kojima speaks. But those who enjoy and appreciate their game collections and would rather not have a "collection" of digital files on a screen might not like what he has to say.
The master spoke at a news conference in Tokyo designed to announce his latest project - Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker for the PSP - and he clearly sees a console-dry future. He says that in the near future, developers won't have to worry about hardware platforms and will essentially free themselves from console manufacturers. Said Kojima:
"In the near future, we'll have games that don't depend on any platform. Gamers should be able to take the experience with them in their living rooms, on the go, when they travel -- wherever they are and whenever they want to play. It should be the same software and the same experience."
In response to this, Sony Computer Entertainment Japan President Hiroshi Kawano said that it's a "bold prediction" and that they hope Kojima "continues to develop for platforms." We've often heard analysts say that the future of games is digital downloads; i.e., no more boxes, no more physical media - like discs - and in our eyes, no more fun for collectors. But that's merely an opinion and there are indeed obvious benefits to such a "progression." Kojima outlined just a few and we know of the others. So it'll be a very interesting future, nonetheless.
By the way, Peace Walker will be out soon in Japan (June 8 release for the US) and Kojima reminds us that it's old-school MGS; it's about stealth, patience and management. "This is software that developes management skills," he said. "You can even fire workers, something that you can't really do in real life. In the game, I couldn't stop doing it."
4/7/2010 10:38:29 AM Ben Dutka
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DeathOfChaos
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 10:57:57 AM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 11:02:23 AM
Download speeds have increased drastically and will continue to increase. Just look at the PSN: when it first launched, it took me about 50 minutes to download the Resistance demo, which was about 750MB in size. It took 1 hr. 10 mins. to get the Heavenly Sword demo at 1.1GB.
Now, I can download 1GB in less than half that time. Who knows how much data will be transferred in 15-30 minutes in 5 years?
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maxpontiac
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 11:30:00 AM
Seeing a HDD next to my HDTV does not sound appealing to me what-so-ever.
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Highlander
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:17:33 PM
Yes, things will improve, but how fast? Here is a fun fact. 8 years ago I had better broadband than I do now. 5 years ago I had better broadband than I do now. 8 years ago I had cable, 5 years ago I had DSL. Today I have the same DSL I had 5 years ago, and yet the actual speed I see has declined. So in 5 years of DSL I have not seen an acceleration, I have seen a decline.
I'm not nearly so optimistic about the growth of network speed.
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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:20:36 PM
High, know why that might be?
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Highlander
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:43:11 PM
Network congestion is something people rarely talk about, but it is real. Even for DSL it's real. Your DSL link to the Telco is specific to you, but the backbone from the Telco's CO to the Internet is a fixed size.
With DSL it depends on how subscribed (or perhaps over subscribed) the service is. If you have 1000 customers being served by a 1GBit backbone and 50% of those customers are doing something online, that averages out to 2Mbits per customer. Say when you first got service there were only another 100 people sharing that backbone, you could have a much higher share of the 1Gbit data pipe, but as the number of customers grows the share of that pipe that is available goes down. Network congestion takes it's toll. If the telco doesn't upgrade it's own internal backbone, your service will suffer.
There are other factors at work, but over all we rarely get the bandwidth we think we're going to get.
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Darthvintage
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:51:58 PM
since then i've been having approximate 3Mb/s download speed 20 mb/s tops.
I can really see 25gb downloads
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JackC8
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:09:35 PM
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gumbi
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:16:20 PM
Yes, I can definitely see this becoming a reality. 'near future' doesn't necessarily mean next week. We're still talkin years from now.
And for us collectors, I think it'll be a long long time before physical media is truly abandoned. You can still go to the record store and buy a CD, and downloading mp3's has been easy and accessible to most for years now. I can see gaming going the same direction, where you can download it if you want, or you can spend a couple more dollars and buy a hard copy of it. As many have mentioned, not everyone has access to high speed networks just yet, and abandoning physical media would eliminate them as customers.
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 3:11:57 PM
The arguments you guys are making does. And trust me, I'm the first to speak out against going all digital. HATE the idea, if you couldn't tell from my tone in the article. ;)
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xnonsuchx
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 4:00:10 PM
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Jackyl
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 10:35:39 PM
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Crabba
Friday, April 09, 2010 @ 8:16:44 PM
Besides, what Kojima seems to indicate is that the console HARDWARE itself would soon disappear, since he's talking about "not relying on a specific platform and experiencing it anywhere" so not only digital downloads but somehow digital hardware too. Somehow I don't see that happening any time soon (or even later for that matter) and I don't welcome either digital hardware or software at any time in the future whatsoever.
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DeathOfChaos
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 10:57:18 AM
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wiiplay
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 12:31:53 PM
With a gun? Out of a cannon? Burn them into crisp bacon?
I give up! How can I fire workers?
:D
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dachemists
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 10:57:48 AM
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Plue
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 11:03:18 AM
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Digital download is great and all, but taking away the tangible-ness of the collection is a big NO NO.
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Karosso
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 11:09:24 AM
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He is so wrong about the time line that is not even funny. I'm inclined to believe it might be a translation error...
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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 11:14:35 AM
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johnld
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 4:49:35 PM
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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 5:48:01 PM
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www
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 7:42:40 PM
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BTNwarrior
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 11:16:09 AM
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BTNwarrior
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 11:19:24 AM
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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 11:29:08 AM
Seems digital games are better for developers and not so good for average gamers who like have physical media on hand. Ridiculous policies like "you can only down our $15.99 digital movie once" aren't going to help either.
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Qwarktast1c
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 11:31:35 AM
physical media FTW!!!!!
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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 11:30:37 AM
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I hope this was just a translation error. I'd hate to see developers take away options like this.
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SvenMD
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:43:11 PM
What will the devs be developing for if there is no console/platform???
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Phoelix
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 3:19:21 PM
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Fane1024
Friday, April 09, 2010 @ 5:14:15 PM
"No platform" = ONE platform = monopoly = disaster.
In other words, exactly what Microsoft wants.
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Naztycuts
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 11:30:54 AM
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Naztycuts
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 11:31:03 AM
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RadioHeader
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 11:33:00 AM
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...unless M$ monopolise the market, in which case you can just have it.
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Highlander
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:09:51 PM
Here are a couple of problems I see.
1 - controller lag, no matter how fast the upload/download speed is, there is significant lag sending control signals to a game server and seeing the movement happen. In a shooter that is a killer.
2 - bandwidth. Online HD video services get away with huge amounts of compression because no one ever runs the streamed version side by side with a BluRay. HD video streaming is a combination of sub-HD resolution, compression, reduced color depth and motion artifacts especially during action scenes. I can't imagine how you would stream 720p at 60 frames a second with full color depth and no compression artifacts using current network technology. Sure you could use lots of compression and reduce the frame rate, but then your game no longer looks any good, and besides what shooter fan wants a game that get's all fuzzy and blocky when the action moves fast?
There are some areas where experimental broadband offers very high data rates that could cope, but the number of consumers covered by such services is very small compared to the majority who do not have such access, and won't for many years.
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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:12:28 PM
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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:42:13 PM
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Highlander
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:52:04 PM
The FCC was trying to make it harder for Comcast (and other telcos) to shape the traffic flow through their network. Comcast wants to make sure it's services and those of it's partners get priority over others, so it ensures that bandwidth is rationed accordingly. Comcast also wants to use the same technology to sideline BitTorrent traffic. Who's to say that they won't decide that PSN traffic should be similarly sidelined in favor of XBL traffic?
Net Neutrality protects everyone. The court decision as has been a trend protects the rights of the corporation over and above the rights of the individuals. The FCC is a government agency that is charged with protecting citizens and their interests. This has nothing to do with Obama or big government or anything like that. This is about protecting consumers rights, and unfortunately the courts sided with the corporation. I guess it's true, corporations are people too...*sigh*
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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:07:05 PM
"The FCC is a government agency that is charged with protecting citizens and their interests."
yes that what it says on paper but the FCC and the Feds are made up of flawed humans just like corporations. Except there's a difference. The Feds can't be held accountable. They pass the laws, they enforce the laws and if we don't like it too bad. We either live with it or go broke litigating it. Just because the Feds say they mean well doesn't give pass the to inevitable unintended consequences that result from government intrusion in free markets. Every government that's taken freedoms away from is citizens always said they were doing in the interest of the people. History shows that.
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Natalisrubbish
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:31:15 PM
You need to stop putting all blame on big government and the current administration, as I recall the last presidential administration made further big government moves than the current....lol. Good luck with totally free markets, that ended up being a significant problem once upon a time. I find it hilarious you put so much faith in free markets... there is a reason this country doesn't operate on a totally free market economy... nor do most countries in this world, its too easy to exploit and too easy to create monopolies with. There needs to be an element of governmental control over corporations and economies, its the level of control that is most certainly debatable that I will agree with.
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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:40:48 PM
"There needs to be an element of governmental control over corporations and economies"
yea and its all outlined IN THE CONSTITUTION!
"I find it hilarious you put so much faith in free markets"
I can say the same thing for people who put all the faith in an unaccountable government.
"I recall the last presidential administration made further big government moves than the current"
Examples? A take over one 1/6th of the economy DID NOT happen under Bush nor did we have deficits as far as the eye can see. Bush didn't take over the American auto industry or nationalize the student loan industry. Back up your "Bush grew government more then Obama" with facts.
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ace_boon_coon
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 2:11:05 PM
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Natalisrubbish
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 2:17:54 PM
I never said I put faith into our government when it comes to economic matters, but I certainly won't have corporations running around unaccounted for their actions either. Fortune 500 and D.C. are one in the same now, it's called lobbyism, they are the real enemies of America. The presidents are merely heads in well tailored suits for citizens to pit themselves against one another and be distracted while the real evil goes on behind closed door meetings and board room decisions involving members of government on federal all the way down to local levels. I will not go any further into a partisan debate because I'm not that foolish.
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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 2:33:52 PM
If you don't like what a corporation is doing don't buy their product. I'm not an Anarchist, i do understand there is a roll for government but that roll has been abused and they are acting outside the limits of our Constitution and have been for some time and its only gotten worse since Jan 2009. The left complained about Bush's spending and his over reach regarding the Patriot Act but now that a democrat and the Messiah in Chief is in office, we hear nothing about his encroachment or spending. Only a defense for it. its hypocrisy at its best. The left has turned hypocrisy into an art form. And don't talk me about lobbyists, this president is worst offender when it comes to lobbyists. Once again, the Left has turn hypocrisy into an art form.
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Highlander
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 3:34:17 PM
No problem. The net neutrality thing is another significant element of the court decision siding with Comcast. It has other impacts too as you describe.
Net Neutrality isn't politics for me, ad shouldn't be for anyone, it's about maintaining the Internet as a freely available service that is not profiled according to the whim of a corporation.
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MyWorstNightmar
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 4:48:59 PM
Damn, look at the public spectacle they are making of business's that came out and said how much money they are going to lose now that Obamacare got passed. The Obama administrations answer was to attempt to silence them and any other business wanting to speak out by telling AT&T, Verizon and Catapillar that they want them to come to DC with their books to explain themselves. Imagine that. Who in the Obama administration has ever had to run a business, meet payroll?
33% of Detroit is either vancant land or empty homes. What makes you think that can't happen in your city? If we keep holding business down, there will be no more business.
Ben, does PSX provide you, Arnold and John with health care? I hope PSX's expenses don't go up too high, which might lead to subscription costs to us, or perhaps a PSX extinction. I love this site too much to see it become a financial casualty.
Leave it to me to go waayyyyyyy off topic. Should have gotten Kojima's take on healthcare, then nobody would get mad at me.
Good luck everybody. Here is to hoping we all will have money left over to continue our gaming hobby.
Last edited by MyWorstNightmar on 4/7/2010 4:51:54 PM
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ace_boon_coon
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 5:14:31 PM
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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 5:29:31 PM
@myworstnightmar, I completely agree and it's sad not enough people understand what's happening right now and how the lefts demagoguery and class warfare is really hurting our future prosperity. Who'da thinkit? Obama promised free healthcare for all at the expense of those "evil" rich business owners but we ended up with a mandate to buy insurance (pusnishable by fines or jail time)from the evil insurance compaines they demonized for the last 18 months. This President is a joke and a disgrace to the highest office and pretty much everything he's doing to our economy and the relationship between the government and the people is unAmerican.
@Cochise, ok mommy.
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Natalisrubbish
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 6:21:58 PM
Thats quite a bold statement and assumption about my spending habits. I do not shop at stores owned by corporations I don't approve of... after all I'm not the one shopping at Wal-mart. (-;
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Natalisrubbish
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 6:29:15 PM
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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 6:36:37 PM
2) you have no idea what i do and how involved i am.
3) i never called YOU a leftist but you sure do chant their Anti-corporatist talking points.
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Natalisrubbish
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 6:53:29 PM
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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 7:09:26 PM
I didn't mean imply you are a leftist. I apologize of that what you thought.
That said, lets stop now and move on. This isn't the place for this. we have already said too much. :)
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Natalisrubbish
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 7:39:26 PM
Peace, Love and Empathy.
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Highlander
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 9:30:18 PM
Don't derail a thread like this again please. This had nothing to do with the sitting president, his party, his politics, or those of the previous incumbent.
The subject that Sweedie was talking about was a court action between Comcast and the FCC. The FCC is a government department that acts to uphold the laws that are within it's remit. That's it.
In your first reply to Sweedie you stated "The FCC has no right dictating to internet providers how they run their private business'. ". Well, I'm sorry, but that is exactly the role of the FCC, their area of responsibility is communications, whether over the air, or down the wire, whether analog or digital. So, actually, almost by definition it is their responsibility to "dictate to internet providers how they run their private business" in regards to any conduct governed by the laws the FCC is responsible to uphold.
Last edited by Highlander on 4/7/2010 9:30:54 PM
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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 10:11:37 PM
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Highlander
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 10:25:28 PM
It is the role of the FCC, it's what they were created to do, the fact that Comcast found narrow technical grounds on which to challenge the FCC is more of a sign of a broken system than it is that the FCC acted beyond their remit. Courts enforce laws, even when those laws are stupid, poorly written or full of loopholes and technicalities. As any Judge will tell you, they are there to uphold the law, not write it. Unfortunately that often (especially in higher courts) leads to decisions that do not go with the spirit of the law, but do abide with the letter of the law.
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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 2:14:46 AM
Thank gawd I had to work tonight and missed out on this wonderful conversation!
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Jackyl
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 11:09:32 PM
If you want to know how unregulated corporations work just look at the US' labor history. Child work forces, women being locked up in their work places, where they ended up hurling themselves to their deaths just to escape, incredibly unsafe working conditions. Actually, with that last one, you can even look to current events where there aren't strict enough government regulations forcing the coal mining companies to maintain safe working conditions for their employees.
As for unaccountable government, that is just ridiculous. Ultimately the government is accountable to the people. Using our political system we put those in charge who share our ideals.
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Jackyl
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 11:28:17 PM
Student loan program? Originally a government program, which republicans moved it over to corporate banks to run. Long story short, adding this "middle-man" added billions to the cost of these student loans. Government taking back student loans is going to save billions and correct a huge mistake.
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THE NTMIDTR
Friday, April 09, 2010 @ 12:53:27 PM
Net Neutrality is to help protect consumers from being forced to pay tiered prices...
The "choose another company" you 'free-market' types are always going on about is NOT always an option to everyone or everywhere... do you bot realize that?
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Bjorn77
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 11:58:57 AM
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And who will provide it? Will it be giant game companies or who will decide what will be hosted and for how long?
I just want media, I still play Xbox, PS end PS2 games. I don't care... a good game is a good game.
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Highlander
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:02:54 PM
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How am I going to take the gaming experience of a 50-inch HD screen and PS3 console, on the move with me wherever I go? As good as hand helds can get, they aren't anywhere near that capability.
Has Kojima become entranced by the iPhone? Perhaps he believes that cloud computing is going to take over in the near(???) future?
Cloud computing has - in one form or another - been hailed as the future of gaming for years and years now. Time after time someone tries to being a set-top box that will replace all consoles. Time after time it turns out to be a pipe dream. Anytime someone comes out with a variation on 'all your consoles are belong to us' I get skeptical.
Kojima needs to understand that even in developed countries there are a *huge* number of people for whom network distribution and network/cloud based gaming are impossible. The network available to many people simply won't support it. Sure in an urban center like Tokyo where tech is always high, you could imagine a future where everything is done via the net. But that's not the reality outside of that tech rich atmosphere.
As for there being no platform, he's smoking something there. There will always be a platform of some kind, how else does he think his games will run? Here's the thing though, for a single platform, all game makers and manufacturers have to agree on a single standard. That takes time and stifles innovation. How do you control and maintain that standard? Who decides when it changes? If the standard changes does everyone get a free upgrade? If not, then what about those that don't upgrade?
If the whole thing is cloud based, who is going to make the huge investments into server and network technology to process ad stream millions of game sessions at once? Let's imagine that we're running MGS4 in a cloud based computing environment, and right after launch we have 3 million people trying to play it simultaneously. That means that the cloud has to have sufficient spare computing ad memory capacity to handle 3 million game sessions without impacting other services. That's 3 million sessions that require the power of a PS3 requiring to be services in addition to everything else that the cloud does. Then because the games are being streamed to the player, the network has to be able to handle 3 million 720p (at minimum) video feeds. Oh, and let's not fool ourselves into believing that we can get away with the compression crap that video services do today, for an action game the picture must remain sharp. Finally, the response time of our networks will have to improve to handle controller lag. Just a couple of router bounces in the control input and your controls will already feel less responsive. That'll be great for twitch gaming, right?
Sorry, I don't see this kind of future happening any time soon. Eventually perhaps, but not in the near future, that's for sure.
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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:17:43 PM
I think he has. If the Apple advertisements all over MGS4 are any indication. I don't begrudge him that though, i happen to like Apple products and i love my iPhone but if its going to give him these crazy ideas for the future of gaming, i would hope he reconsiders.
"Let's imagine that we're running MGS4 in a cloud based computing environment."
I can't. If he can't get that master piece to run without an install of 6gb or more, i don't see how we can stream quality games like that in the "near future."
Last edited by Jawknee on 4/7/2010 12:18:45 PM
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Japan_Fan
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 5:58:23 PM
And the Japanese love to play on the go, especially in the underground railway and on trains. If Kojima is true, I am sure a lot of people would not be very happy, because their games stop working every few minutes because of interruping connections...
And how about monster hunter with friends on the go?
Sorry dude, you lost the match because your Network had some problems...
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www
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 7:50:22 PM
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SmokeyPSD
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:11:01 PM
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MyWorstNightmar
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 4:55:35 PM
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Doosharm
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:22:15 PM
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Anyone here remember when Amazon first went live and everyone said it was going to put big box stores like Wal-Mart out of business? Yeah, that never happened either. I think the only consumers who are willing to go completely digital are the one pirating stuff because it makes their job a little easier and more anonymous.
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WolfCrimson
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:39:13 PM
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Russell Burrows
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:39:39 PM
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Well so much for the late, late April Fools day pronouncement from Kojima
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elass0wyp0
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:51:54 PM
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That's some Star Trek stuff right there.
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Highlander
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:53:11 PM
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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:08:00 PM
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LimitedVertigo
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:07:59 PM
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In the late 90s a game would download at 10k but only be about 900mb. Now games are close to 9gigs (PC games) and download roughly at 100k from multiple sources.
I personally enjoy there being different consoles that offer different experiences so that developers are always offering a variety of content.
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SvenMD
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:47:21 PM
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Russell Burrows
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:11:39 PM
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I also see folks on several forums trying to convince all and sundry that downloads are the only way to get movies in the near future....bah!
Not at my house with its pathetic one hundred kilobyte per second internet.
A single blu ray 1080p movie at 38 GB is going to take a week! to download.
Oh and I see more and more 1080p movies trying to reach 50GB and soon 100GB in the near future so Kojima saying discs are going bye, bye is beyond dumb for that guy.
In two years time we are going to see the BD200 deployment so my question is how does Kojima expect folks with 100 Kbps to 300 Kbps internet (the Worlds vast majority) to wait a month or two for a single game or movie?
Not at my house!!
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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:17:02 PM
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LimitedVertigo
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:21:24 PM
Has anyone used the Netflix feature for the PS3?? I'm wondering what it's like.
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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:26:09 PM
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SvenMD
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:49:30 PM
Maybe I'll try it again this afternoon.
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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:55:09 PM
Also, i think you have to have a internet speed at least 4mbps or greater. It your connection to your PS3 is too slow it will default any HD movie to SD.
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SvenMD
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 2:28:25 PM
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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 2:36:52 PM
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Highlander
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 3:43:07 PM
As I recently experienced, and as any one who has used PCs for any length of time knows, HDDs occasionally flake out or get corrupted requiring a replacement or reformatting. What I also discovered to my cost is that if there is corruption on the HDD, the PS3 isn't able to complete a backup ad you end up downloading everything over again.
Now I've spent the last 3 days re-downloading my games and PSN content, no movies or music - just games, and it's taken days. Can you imagine if I had a TB sized HDD full of movies and music as well? My net connection would have been saturated for a week to download my stuff again.
Digital downloads have a place, but as anyone who's experienced an HDD failure can tell you, it has a painful side. Personally until network speed is an order of magnitude faster than what we have, and universal, I won't be entirely comfortable with downloads. Re-downloading a 2GB game image for PSP is one thing, but downloading a 25GB game from PSN for the PS3 would be a nightmare.
I'm happy to retain physical media for PS3 games right now. I'd need a better backup system and far faster Internet to consider going completely downloadable or streaming.
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THE NTMIDTR
Friday, April 09, 2010 @ 1:05:18 PM
Actually, I don't think the video quality of Netflix Streaming is that good. I tried watching that show "something blood in the sand" and the picture seemed slightly off. My 1080p TV with TW HD produces clearer pictures than Netflix did.
I do not know why this is, I have cable internet, blah, blah, blah.
I was not impressed.
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DjEezzy
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:15:09 PM
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556pineapple
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:24:35 PM
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JackC8
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:29:45 PM
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And for what? What does the consumer get out of this? The ability to pay $60 for something with no physical media?
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Russell Burrows
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:32:09 PM
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One hour for
1080p at 8GB on a 100kilobyte per second line is not! going to happen.
And those that have a fast internet are a limited and scarce market that is antagonistic to the needs of publishers to sell millions of copies of a movie or a game.
Its the same bold statement as saying that in the near future that everyone is going to only drive expensive sports cars when the truth is that few can due to the cost of said vehicles.
For every Lamborgini there are hundreds of thousands of Chevrolets/Toyotas/Fords.
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kraygen
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:32:21 PM
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To go digital without and actual console would open up a whole can of pirating worms. Do you think all the tv manufacturers and hard drive makers are gonna make tons of anti-pirate software for gaming?
Game downloads would have to be uber huge, half of it game and half of it layers of protection from media thieves.
I'm not too worried about it now, my ps3 will last me for several more years and we all know there will be a ps4. By the time thats gone, I might have too much arthritis to play a video game anyway.
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FullmetalX10
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:55:07 PM
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Now if the PS3 would be the sole console, I wouldn't mind, and then we still have the digital games problem, I don't want to download my game to save on some ex-HDD I don't have, since i am still broke, and besides, if I buy a game, I want to have something to show off I actually have the game, something I can re-sell if it happens to suck.
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shreevin
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 2:08:05 PM
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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 2:37:20 PM
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Darwin1967
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 2:27:28 PM
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Simcoe
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 2:33:58 PM
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Kowhoho
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 3:15:07 PM
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I'm most concerned with product ownership. If I want to lend a game to a friend, DRM damn well better not keep me from doing that.
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FlyingKickPunch
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 3:43:09 PM
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BikerSaint
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 4:59:56 PM
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I don't want all my years of gaming console & games collections to start turning into nothing more than a bunch of "fugly duckling" flash drives sitting all in a row on my shelves.
And besides, how's that cloud service "OnLive" working out???????
FYI, I was one of the very 1st to ever sign up for the beta testing for their system(just to see what is was about, plus hopefully be able to get it into my collections too). I don't know about them, but I thought I'd be a perfect candidate too.
But, I never got any kind of acknowledgment what-so-ever from them, even though they knew I was around 54(at the time), a long-time gamer back to the Tandy & Texas Instruments Computer days, & had also kept an extensive collection of consoles dating back to the SNES days.
And, it's been quite a few years now and they're still really nowhere yet with their "OnLive).
Anyway, we'll just have to wait & see when OnLive does come out(supposedly it's this June 17th). But with their micro-console & controller still in "coming soon" mode right now, I don't think that is going to be working out well anytime soon.
And I'll be keeping a can of "Raid" next to my computer too, because I'm expect a real big bug festival there too.
BTW, OnLive's pricing(so far) is set to be $14,95 per month, & way too much in my eyes
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Naga
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 5:03:26 PM
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When I bought a game like Yakuza 3 I was really pleased but downloads would be bleh. I'd just go outside.
I wouldn't't mind if handhelds followed the path of the PSP Go. I love downloading PSP games more even though they can be cheaper used.
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tes37
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 5:43:36 PM
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Imagi
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 5:48:19 PM
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Snaaaake
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 6:12:21 PM
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I guess they don't care about 3rd world nations........
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coverton341
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 6:15:37 PM
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I really want a fiberoptic jack implanted at the base of my skull. How cool would that shi- be?
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Imagi
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 6:27:37 PM
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Natalisrubbish
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 6:29:59 PM
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www
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 7:54:34 PM
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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 8:40:10 PM
He couldn't be could he? The real Iron Man?
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Him
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 9:21:01 PM
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___________
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 2:15:30 AM
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well MR Kojima ADSL2+ unlimited download usage may be a standard in asia but your forgetting not everyone lives in asia.
it will be one stone cold day in hell before caps become large enough for people to download full games.
hell most ISPs are offering cheap net here but the catch is you only get 2GBs.
now what the ^%$# can i do with 2GBs?
as john carmack said cloud computing is the future, but not for at least another 10 years or so.
internet speeds are far to slow, they did some testing here to see if onlive would work and in the CBD in sydney the area that has the BEST net access out of the whole country did not meet the requirements.
now if the city did not meet the requirements than how the hell are normal residents suppose to use it?
most people dont live in the city because its cramped, noise and a unit or house there costs easily 4 times the price the same thing out west would.
i know location is everything, as the saying goes location, location, but id rather save the cash and get a nice quiet place, than spend it and get a noisy polluted place.
maybe he can come out here and wave that magic wand of his to get this hole up to standards, but till then your dreaming MR Kojima!
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Highlander
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 2:25:34 AM
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___________
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 8:26:32 AM
here well yeah not until the gov finishes their replacement lines.
finally they have started replacing the old copper with fiber optics but by the time the whole country has had its face lift its going to be quite a while.
big job ripping out the copper and replacing it for only one town, let alone a whole country!
i still think onlive is going to fall by the way side though simply because it costs money just like everything else, and why would i buy onlive to play multiplats when my ps3 or 360 can do the same?
if onlive had some exclusives than ok, but without those its doomed to flop.
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Highlander
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 11:11:27 AM
Personally I hat the idea of a single gaming platform that is fixed. It simply doesn't work. If it did there would be no console gaming because PC gaming would have destroyed consoles years ago. However, the technology moves, people update their PC, game makers use hardware specific optimizations to achieve better visuals or performance and suddenly there is no single platform.
In fact game consoles represent the closest we've yet come to a single fixed platform. The hardware spec is fixed and well documented and there is a goos sized market of identical devices to run games on. OK there are three different platforms, but within each there is total consistency for a game developer. It's not like PCs where processor and GPU performance are moving targets and you never know what drivers will be run, or what other applications will be present, or how much RAM you have, or...
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BikerSaint
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 2:34:41 AM
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Here's an interesting 8-part FCC "National Broadband Plan" article I found, that you might want to take a gander at.....
The Future of American Broadband
March 21, 2010 - by Devin Connors
Table of contents
1. The FCC’s National Broadband Plan and its Effects
2. The NBP’s Six Goals
3. How The NBP Would Change Our Media Habits
4. How the NBP Would Change Our Mobility
5. Other Plans and Benefits
6. The NBP’s Effect on Infrastructure
7. Cost and Implementation
8. Criticism and Conclusion
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/FCC-Broadband-Internet,review-1527.html
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Highlander
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 11:03:46 AM
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IDnightwalker85
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 4:46:13 AM
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Richy
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 4:46:47 AM
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i like to collect things & physical media will always be preferred...
the net will be faster, not in a far far future, but not tomorrow. CISCO made a super router, Google is going broadband everywhere, a lot is being done to make the next version of the net a supernet. i just wish 'skynet' won't be a side product LOL!
even if we'll be able to stream or download a full bluray worth of data in less than 5 minutes it will remain a problem for we'll never own anything, if we loose an account number, a password.
i want my surroundings to be able to take over what i have if something bad happen to me, with digital content, this isn't really possible, unless you keep everything on a fire/water/nuke but mostly kid resistant paper.
it will be a nice addon, a really nice alternative but physical media won't die, just become more expensive & maybe would only target the collectors.
cheers!
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ChadWSmith
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 11:59:11 AM
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I think Kojima has a valid point, and the future very well *could* be that way, and I would love it if it were. But I think the gaming oligarchy will squash innovation to keep their control. It may happen, and it would be awesome, but it will be a while. Not because the tech isn't there, nor that the desire isn't there - but that the status quo will be hard to change.
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JJ1
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 12:35:02 PM
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Highlander
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 2:00:55 PM
So even if your console dies, you can still activate a second console and re-download the content without charge.
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JJ1
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 12:35:02 PM
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BigBoss4ever
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 2:07:55 PM
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however, i dont want the digital forms of games, i still prefer games in physical forms, still with cover art, boxes, manuals, guides, etc.
so in short, universal platform but release games in physical forms.
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Highlander
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 2:44:24 PM
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THE NTMIDTR
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 2:39:51 PM
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I don't see high speeds in our future...
even speeds equivalent to the high speeds in other areas of the world now!
I also don't see who or what would bring about the end of consoles to one common delivery system... competition drives progress, variety inspires innovation. All this talk of one system, no multi-consoles is bunk.
I don't see it happening ever. Tell me one consumer product (semi-comparable in terms of customers etc.) that started out as a few and finished with just one. Gaming has evolved from whatever the first system/platform was to the "big 3" it is now. It is worth mentioning that the 'Rule of 3' is real... (google that or magic number 3 in sales or business)
Look at the auto industry... Sony, Nintendo, M$ are not going anywhere. And if we did lose one, I think it would be because they were run out by another company (see: Sega Dreamcast).
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Fane1024
Friday, April 09, 2010 @ 5:37:28 PM
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BikerSaint
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 9:02:31 PM
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Think, MS already want's to rule the world, so you should fear this 1-universal console only idea, as much as I do.
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Highlander
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 11:04:56 PM
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aaronobst
Friday, April 09, 2010 @ 5:05:57 AM
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I hate digital downloads
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firesoul453
Friday, April 09, 2010 @ 10:26:20 PM
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Also I hate the idea of server consoles or whatever there called.
Anyway I would miss my cases.
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Scarecrow
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Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 10:56:00 AM
On the go?
I really don't understand what Kojima's mumbling about here
More like in the FAR away future