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Castlevania Producer: Uncharted 2 Isn't Revolutionary

While many believe that Uncharted 2: Among Thieves was not only the best game of 2009 but arguably the best game of the generation, one producer doesn't believe Naughty Dog's gem "redefined" the action genre.

That argument could be made, in our opinion, but perhaps the reason for this guy's belief is a little confusing. According to a recent PSM3 interview with Castlevania: Lords of Shadow producer Dave Cox, Uncharted 2 couldn't really "redefine" anything because it was limited to one platform. Cox admitted that it was beautiful and very impressive from a technical standpoint, and that he "enjoyed it immensely," but it's only on the PlayStation 3. Said Cox:

"[But] Uncharted was a single format release. If any game is going to set a benchmark for a genre it would need to do so across multiple platforms."

In all honesty, we're not entirely sure what this means. How can a game's quality be directly impacted by the fact that it's only on one platform? In terms of widespread impact, one could say a multiplat would have a larger reach to affect more gamers but that still has nothing to do with inherent quality. And quality "redefines;" not popularity. We have really high hopes for Lords of Shadow but this is one comment that we don't quite understand.

It's true that Uncharted 2 doesn't really do anything "new," per se, so in that way, we could say it doesn't "redefine" action games. But because it's only on the PS3...? What?

4/7/2010 12:09:48 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (149 posts)

Taha1
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:21:15 PM
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your being to nice Ben.
this guy needs a slap to the face!

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Karosso
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:48:52 PM

I'll be in line, "Airplane" style :)

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Zorigo
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:27:33 PM

and me, with the 'Double Chuck Norris'...

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SvenMD
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:55:12 PM

If you have $5 and Chuck Norris has $5 - Chuck Norris has more money than you.

Also, Chuck Norris would definitely Roundhouse Kick this guy to the face.

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faraga
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 2:21:33 PM

Are we starting a Chuck Norris thread here?
Cool! I'm in.
Chuck Norris once asked for a Big Mac in the Burger King. He got one.
That's my favorite.

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Karosso
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 2:26:19 PM

I don't think Ben was so nice about it, did you guys see the picture he picked? LOL

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St_Jimmy
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 2:29:42 PM

Chuck Norris knows victorias secret. yeeaah.

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Captain Cod
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 3:43:02 PM

Chuck Norris was born in a cabin he built with his own two hands.

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Random_Steve
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 4:18:55 PM

chuck norris doesnt get wet, the water gets chuck norris

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mykjessnjr
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 4:46:37 PM

Chuck Norris counted to infinity..twice.



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Highlander
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 5:10:57 PM

Chuck Norris doesn't play Uncharted 2 on Crushing, Naughty Dog added 'Chuck Norris' mode.

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Bugzbunny109
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 5:40:31 PM

Chuck Norris could babysit Superman :D

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Gregory Freeman
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 5:46:06 PM

My Fav. 6 Norris Facts:

1)Chuck Norris doesn't stub his toes. He accidentally destroys chairs, bedframes, and sidewalks.

2)Chuck Norris' hand is the only hand that can beat a Royal Flush.

3)Chuck Norris invented black. In fact he invented the entire spectrum of visible light. Except pink. Tom Cruise invented pink.

4)The Bermuda Triangle used to be the Bermuda Square, until Chuck Norris Roundhouse kicked one of the corners off.

5)Who let the dogs out? Chuck Norris let the dogs out... and then roundhouse kicked them through an Oldsmobile.

6)Chuck Norris played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won.


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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 6:14:06 PM

6)Chuck Norris played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won.


now this is one i have never heard before. great stuff.

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Gregory Freeman
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 6:43:57 PM

lmao i know, its funny :P

This one's good too:

70% of a human's weight is water. 70% of Chuck Norris' weight is his d*ck.

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MyWorstNightmar
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 7:08:07 PM

Hmmmm, Norris/Palin for Pres 2012.

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Qwarktast1c
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 7:59:08 PM

they once tried to make a chuck norris brand toilet paper, but they failed since chuck norris doesn't take sh*t from anybody

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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 8:04:59 PM

c'mon now myworst, you know Palin and anyone associated with her are nothing more then racist, homophobic, toothless hill billies!

/sarc

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Banky A
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 4:24:51 AM

Hahahaha, I love you guys! More than I love Chuck Norris..
*Gets round housed* (BTW he can't be gay FYI).

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Irievibes
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 6:54:25 AM

when Chuck norris does push ups, he stays static, its the entire world that actually moves

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Underdog15
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 11:44:45 AM

How about this one?

After Chuck Norris' vacation to the "Virgin Islands", they were forced to change the name to "The Islands".

or...

When Chuck Norris jumps into a river, Chuck Norris doesn't get wet... The river gets Chuck Norris.

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Nynja
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 3:46:03 PM

"your being to nice Ben.
this guy needs a People's Elbow to the face!"

there, I fixed it for you.

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GuernicaReborn
Friday, April 09, 2010 @ 10:27:29 PM

Chuck Norris is the way he is because Kratos touched him on the shoulder one time in a Pizza Hut.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:22:11 PM
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I concur but God of War III is giving it a run for its money.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 2:46:19 PM

wait, i don't concur, i read the article to fast or didnt rather. ha! Im throwing my Skimming glass' away.

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Highlander
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:26:46 PM
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This person sounds like they have a severe case of sour grapes.

Heavy Rain is genre defining, or redefining. Uncharted 2 is undoubtedly genre shaping too. The fact that a game isn't available on more than one platform does not alter it's impact, has he forgotten Halo or Zelda? Both great examples of exclusive games that helped reshape their genre on all platforms.

Perhaps Dave Cox is suffering from platform envy? Or maybe he is anticipating that his game will not be hailed as revolutionary and is simply jealous?

Regarding Uncharted 2. I see Uncharted 2 as shaping the genre because it does several things at once that really hasn't been done before. It tells an epic story, develops characters, blends adventure gaming, puzzles, platforming and third person shooting together, and moves the player from game style to game style incorporating cutscenes into the action in a way that is again seamless.

You go from puzzle solving and platforming to run and gun shooting to duck and cover shooting, to a car chase jumping from vehicle to vehicle, hand to hand combat, gunplay, and then shooting with a gun emplacement, and back to jumping from vehicle to vehicle, the straight back to a bit of stealth action, some more duck and cover, and so on, and so forth...

Other than Uncharted Drake's Fortune, I can't remember a game that blended so many gameplay styles and aspects into a single smooth canvas. If that's not revolutionary or genre shaping, I don't know what is.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:32:24 PM

Yea i think hes just bitter cause he knows his game isn't going to be Uncharted 2 quality. Pretty much nonsense. If you think about it just about every genre defining game has been an exclusives. Halo and Zelda are great examples.

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www
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:37:52 PM

Agreed, let's summarize him and simplify him to a 'hater'.

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godsman
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:42:46 PM

One thing about Uncharted 2 puzzles is that it's not challenging enough. The ones from God of War series are clever.

If you consider platforming as puzzles as well, like finding the next ledge to scale, I guess it's still challenging, those were always fun.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:01:41 PM

You haven't played it on Crushing i assume?

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SvenMD
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:59:11 PM

Highlander - too true. It not only does all those elements, it does them flawlessly....no screen tearing, no frame rate drops, no crappy textures.....the game is top notch from an execution standpoint as well.

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johnld
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 5:09:08 PM

i was uneasy when you used halo as one of your examples but then i guess the first halo game did help shape FPS. Zelda is the best example to use, its the one game that quality is always amazing and the one of the only games that warrants buying a nintendo hardware by itself. at least thats my opinion. i wouldnt have bought a wii if not for future zelda games. I got twilight princess for the gamecube because i dont like waggle in my zelda game. i hope the new zelda isnt waggle only.

its funny, i used to hold zelda and final fantasy franchise close to each other as my top game franchises but zelda is pulling away even if it a new iteration isnt released yet. They shouldve called final fantasy 13 a different name.

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DemonNeno
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 8:41:22 PM

Highlander, you got it dude! Who the hell cares what platforms a game is limited to? In fact, I'll say that I DO care! Naughty Dog tends to the PS3 and delivers with a product we can simulatenously awe at the graphics of while indulging in a never-boring story! That's not revolutionary? THEN WHAT IS?!

To add to my enraged emotions, let me add something Castlevania itself brought to the table. SINGLE PLATFORM! With the exception of SOTN & Curse of Darkness, I don't believe ANY of the series games were multiplat. How unrevolutionary.

This idiot needs to do the fans of Castlevania and of UC2 a favor and apologize. The only problem with Bens' pic for the title is the hand is clenched into a fist. This guy needs a full palmed bi*** slap.

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WolfCrimson
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:33:00 PM
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Revolutionary on multiple platforms my ass. If it's revolutionary, it's revolutionary. Don't go making up weird-ass criteria just on a whim.

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Jawknee
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 12:03:58 AM

Maybe he stayed up all night thinking of this.

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Darthvintage
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:33:41 PM
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Goes to show that the media and a lot of producers are still anti-ps3.

Dave Cox Needs To Be Slapped For This

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WolfCrimson
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:40:25 PM

Yes! Join the DCNTBSFT movement now and get a free shirt!

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Darthvintage
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:44:20 PM

@WolfCrimson

What!?!?

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www
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:47:01 PM

Yeah speaking of media,

I recall Eurogamer in some video with an interview with Wayne Rooney playing Fifa 10, and at the end of it, the EG interviewer said to the screen like 'Listen to this fanboys, the all important question' and went on to ask 'So which platform do you prefer to play your Fifa 10 on?' and Rooney said 'At first I used to play on PS3 but all my friends moved to the Xbox 360, so I guess its the 360 now', and the interviewer grinned and said 'There you have it people' like he just won a jackpot.......Though I respect Digital Foundry of EG with their intricate comparisons, it seems the rest of the staff are just 360 fanboys. It's sad is kinda obvious they get sponsored by MS, their ads on Xbox LIVE is evidence.

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WolfCrimson
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 2:08:11 PM

DCNTBSFT = Dave Cox Needs To Be Slapped For This.

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faraga
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 2:23:41 PM

@ WolfCrimson
Do you ship t-shirts to Europe?

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vicious54
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 2:47:19 PM

@WWW

I agree, most of them are fanboys.

There is no reason for this guy to comment on UC2 just because he knows he won't get any awards. Maybe he is trying to win over 360 fans by thinking on their level.

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godsman
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:40:04 PM
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I understand if he means that because it's exclusive, less people get to play it. Not everyone get to experience the awesome game, it's not making an impact on a large population of gamers, then maybe it's not redefining. BUT if he means it needs to be multiplatform to be redefining, he's a total idiot.

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johnld
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 5:14:57 PM

arent games that redefine a genre is the final push to finally get the system its for? i dont think his castlevania game is on that level or at least the same level as uncharted

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cheng
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:44:12 PM
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speak engrish prease mr. dave cox

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mexgeo86
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:45:50 PM
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"[But] Uncharted was a single format release. If any game is going to set a benchmark for a genre it would need to do so across multiple platforms."

~insert facepalm~

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Darthvintage
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:47:31 PM
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Another point i woud like to make out

if this game had been multiplatform

how many disc's would the xbox use?

I Know that U2:AT uses a single layer 25GB disc but then there was talks about the compression.

i remember metal gear solid 4 taking up 50+GB of space and Approx 25GB all went to sound.

Can anyone show their insights to this subject matter?

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SvenMD
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 2:01:35 PM

Another point - I would like to make out as well.

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johnld
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 5:16:02 PM

well, i guess it will redefine and set a new benchmark on how many dvds are needed to play a masterpiece.

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www
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:48:10 PM
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Gabe Newell just made Dave Cox a classic burger, let's wait till he's sober.

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LimitedVertigo
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:49:41 PM

Please don't bring Gave into this, he was my teen crush.

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www
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 4:23:44 PM

Really? thank goodness he never met you cause he woulda crushed you in bed, be grateful :)

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leatherface
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 11:08:37 PM

Whitecastlevania burgers

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LimitedVertigo
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:49:12 PM
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If I was in control of a gaming series that has long been considered dead I'd be too busy working to take jabs at last years GOTY.

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tridon
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:50:15 PM
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I bet Cox is just dissing Uncharted 2 to get back at Hideo Kojima for something. Hideo probably says to him (regarding Castlevania), "if this was a PS3 exclusive we could do this" and "if this was only the PlayStation we could do that". He's probably just sick of hearing about the more superior system from the PS3's #1 fanboy so he's just venting.

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coverton341
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:54:18 PM
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You don't redefine a genre by reaching a lot of people. You redefine a genre by taking the given definition of a genre i.e. the stables of that genre and you do something innovative and different with those elements and work it into a great game. That is the very meaning of redefining...

I have yet to play Uncharted 2 so I can't speak intelligently about it's inherent ability to redefine the action genre but whether or not it does is not dependent on how many consoles it is on but how many liberties it takes with those staple action/adventure elements and make those liberties work for the better.

This guy seems a bit of an ass with this silly statement but hey everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion.

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ace_boon_coon
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:56:34 PM

you need to play UC2 asap. then you will see how much of a masterpiece this game is. you'll also see why so many developers hate ND so much.

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maxpontiac
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 12:56:15 PM
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Gotta love when jealousy shows up. It usually has blinding effects on people.

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ace_boon_coon
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:55:14 PM

jealousy is a weak emotion they got to over come that. smh

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556pineapple
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:13:58 PM
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But if it were multi-platform, it would have been held back by inferior hardware and a severe lack of storage space, so by this guys rules, this game never would have redefined anything. My guess is this guy hates Heavy Rain too.

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Beamboom
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:19:12 PM
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What he means (I think) is that in order for a game to become so influential that it actually redefines an entire genre it has to be available for the majority of the gamers at that moment in time.

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coverton341
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:26:36 PM

He might mean that but don't you think that is still a little short sighted? Highlander had a great example of Zelda and Halo. Regardless of whether you liked those or not they were exclusive games that definitely helped shape their respective genres.

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ace_boon_coon
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 2:06:41 PM

no multiplat this generation has been influential they've all been exclusives. except for MW

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Beamboom
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 10:42:05 AM

Coverton, I don't necessarily agree with either the claim that U2 redefined anything at all or the need for a genre-redefiner to be released on several platforms. I simply posted what I imagine *his* opinion is.

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Mornelithe
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:20:36 PM
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Seems like a flawed argument. I think those working on 1 system will achieve better results as a whole then having to split themselves 3+ ways. Until we see what Crytek's done with CryEgine 3, it's pretty safe to say that cross-platform engines this gen are garbage. I think they spend at least half the time, tweaking each version down slightly here and there in different areas, simply to make the fu**ing games look like mirror images. The problem is, the consoles aren't mirror images, and are capable of exceling in different areas, just as the PC's are.

I doubt highly, Uncharted 1-2, MGS4, Killzone 2 etc... would've come out the same, had they been multi-plat titles, to say NOTHING of the added dev time.

So yeah, go ahead and make your new 3D Castlevania/God of War crossplatform joke. I'll be hip deep in the GTA expansions on my PC by then, or hopefully, Gran Turismo 5 w00t.

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Willcome2Urf
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:28:33 PM
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Hardware doesn't define a game.

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johnld
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 5:19:57 PM

it kinda does man. if the hardware is great and you optimize your game for the hardware then you get uncharted 2. although they havent done any optimization on the ps3 yet.

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gumbi
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:30:15 PM
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Eh? Now that just doesn't make any sense. Platform availability has no bearing on how you judge the quality of software. Great software is great software, regardless. A genre isn't specific to a machine, it's a genre, it's just a category you can use to describe games that play a certain way. This dude just sounds bitter about something.

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kraygen
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:40:40 PM
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There are 2 viable options for how he came to the conclusion he made in his statement.

1. He just found out his game is going to be on the wii.

or

2. Some people are just stupid.

Since it's not on the wii, I guess we know how he reached this idea.

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Oxvial
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:42:25 PM
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So the producer of the new Castlevania is such low level troll , this and the bad design of the Vampires and the game not being 2.5 D makes me think it gonna suck , but theres still Kojima to save the day.

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Ergi
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:44:28 PM
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One of the most ridiculous things I have heard. I mean, he can't really mean what he's saying. It's just plain stupid, there can't possibly be a good enough reason to say something like this.

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ace_boon_coon
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:52:20 PM
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if uncharted 2 "isn't revolutionary"? then why does every developer try to have UC2 quality and compare they game to naughty god's gem? ND set the bar so high that multiplats and most exclusives (except for ps3's) can't even come close too it. i love castlevania but this gut is talkin out of his a**. the uncharted series is already set in stone as one of the finest gaming experiences ever (yes i said ever), and other developer can't handle all the accolades, and praise the UC has garnered. don't talk s**t let your work speak for itself. sorry it can't cause the game is multiplat

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ace_boon_coon
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 2:08:55 PM

guy

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NoSmokingBandit
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:53:06 PM
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Everyone has the right to be incorrect.

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johnld
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 5:22:16 PM

thats true, but his comments deserve him to get beat down. you gotta beat bad behavior of them to prevent future moronic actions.

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Frenchy17
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 1:54:14 PM
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Makes no sense what so ever!

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FullmetalX10
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 2:04:14 PM
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"Uncharted 2 couldn't really "redefine" anything because it was limited to one platform."
My mouth literally fell open reading that sentence.
It was even funnier because I was listening to the Lama Song :)

But yeah, I'd reckon somewhere a wire in his head snapped which lead him thinking these things, just like with some of em xbots(ok, most of them)

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Mamills
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 2:23:02 PM
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lol
who cares what this guy thinks
uncharted 2 was awesome. yes it reused elements of other games before it but it combined it together beautifully to make an amazing game.

and its not revolutionary because its only on playstation??!?!?!?

sorry i bought a PS3 because it is powerful and i do want to see what can be done if the technology is there

ok buddy, lets see how castlevania LoS does.
(I know it hasn't impressed me at all so far)

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faraga
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 2:27:04 PM
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[Trollmode on]
What can you expect with a surname like that..?
[Trollmode off]

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 2:30:32 PM
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What a facking idiot.

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johnld
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 5:24:30 PM

so hes saying things like this before a game he produced comes out. he really doesnt want gamers to buy his game does he? i mean, why would i want to buy his game when hes portraying himself as an idiot?

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Karosso
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 2:39:52 PM
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Has he ever designed a game that could be considered one of the best games ever made?...Didn't think so.

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Imagi
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 2:44:02 PM
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He is talking out of his ass, a game does not need to be a multi-platform release to benchmark for a genre, in fact what does the platform have to do with anything it is the game that does the business.

Maybe this guy is pissed because he is limited by having to do a multiplat release and does not have the same power to work with that Naughty Dog did.

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Ergi
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 2:51:36 PM
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Hope there aren't many other developers thinking like this, the DMC developer passed through my mind for a sec.

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Victor321
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 3:10:00 PM
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Does he not know that technology, no matter how cutting edge it is, is merely a tool that serves to create a vision, whether it's a director's vision of a movie, or a lead game developer's vision of a game and how it should be?

I rest my case. I say anything more, it'll be a waste of breath.



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Rings0fUranus
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 3:36:16 PM
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what a useless quote. i'm a pretty easy going dood, but comments like this set my teeth on edge. i know it's just a game and all, but now when i play the new castlevania, i'm going to be thinking of this douchebag and what he said...if not consciously, then sub-consciously, and that just....sucks.
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Mavfan321
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 5:15:00 PM

Not to mention from the screens so far it looks like a Castelevania skinned GOW game.

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BeezleDrop
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 3:39:12 PM
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The million dollar question, if Uncharted 2 "wasn't genre defining" than what is? I strongly believe it definitely is, in every aspect. Great story, gunplay, controls, dialog, voice acting, graphically, it was bloody GOTY for a well deserved reason.

And if it wasn't an exclusive, I guarantee it wouldn't have achieved so much.

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Kai200X
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 4:00:14 PM
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All the GOTY awards says otherwise.

"[But] Uncharted was a single format release. If any game is going to set a benchmark for a genre it would need to do so across multiple platforms."

Don't blame ND because xbox can't handle it.

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johnld
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 5:26:08 PM

they should beat this guy with every award that naughty dog won.

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Captain Cod
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 4:07:44 PM
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I think this cock has been living under a rock, unless he's mistaken the defenition of "revolutionary." I mean LittleBigPlanet, Heavy Rain...those must not be revolutionary games either...DESPITE NEARLY EVERYONE ELSE PLAYING IT WOULD PROBABLY DISAGREE.

And it doesn't settle for this generation either:

-FFVII, one of the first ever 3D RPGs. Because that isn't revolutionary either.
-Gran Tursimo
-MGS
-DMC & God of War. Because I only know 2 games that directly ripped off both of these titles' gameplay, which also happen to get less Kudos than the former.

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JPBooch
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 4:18:23 PM
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What he really is trying to say...

We can't compete with UC2 because it was only made for the superior system. Let me see Naughty Dog pull this off using the xbox.

In order to make money as a developer, and we have seen it more and more now (Heavenly Sword), you have to put your game out for both systems.


He is just trying to justify to himself for making more money over making a superior product.

And for that he needs the Chuck Norris round house to the chops.

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www
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 4:22:23 PM

"We can't compete with UC2 because it was only made for the superior system. Let me see Naughty Dog pull this off using the xbox."

You got a point there.

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SympoziumPawa
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 4:19:24 PM
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Like as if mult-platform game will be revolutionary considering the state of this generations death to Microsofts idiotic hardware choices.

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CH1N00K
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 4:26:56 PM
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Wow, If we were only judging games that were released on all platforms, that means that all 360 exclusives would be out of contention too...

This guy is either a moron, or he's just trying to create buzz so people will pay attention to what he's doing it. (Commonly known as the Paris Hilton maneuver, Sex Tape and drunk driving charges to follow...)

Could you imagine what the game awards shows would look like if the only games that were allowed to be awarded were ones that are on all platforms? You'd have a bunch of crappy games that were downgraded to be able to meet the specifications of the Wii. There's a sure fire way to kill the gaming industry.

This guy needs to get to a doctor real soon, his bowels aren't working properly because there's a lot of crap spewing from his mouth. Which must be an interesting situation when you head is up you ass....

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LightShow
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 4:26:57 PM
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i think we have misunderstood him. i dont think he was saying the quality was lower because it was single platform, i think he was saying that for a game to be revolutionary to the industry, you have to overturn old standards on all the platforms.

otherwise, youve just redefined the PS3 side of the genre. it hasnt been tested against the big dogs on the Xbox or nintendo's pantheon.

i think he was referring to the fact that it wasnt released on competitors hardware, and that its success owes a little to home court advantage.

not that I agree with what hes saying. i dont.

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johnld
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 4:59:11 PM
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i think the reason it was able to "redefine" action games is because it was on one platform. hes just trying to make a preemptive excuse for going multiplatform. the only thing multiplatform games redefine is the new average quality for videogames.

"How can a game's quality be directly impacted by the fact that it's only on one platform?", thats simple ben, platform exclusive pushes the platform and game quality, which means usually a great quality game.(damn you haze). multiplatform games just raising the average bar for quality.

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telly
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 5:02:33 PM
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He certainly sounds like an idiot here, but I can only assume he is trying to say that a game with a huge, cross-platform audience that redefines a genre is the game that will get credit for initiating the change. I'm certain he's trying to hype up Castlevania as that kind of game, but it's still some stupid phrasing of his answer.

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Mavfan321
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 5:05:01 PM
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RE:4 redefined how good a 3rd person action game could be. UC2 changed the scope and added immense variety to the genre, it is without question. Whether or not it's multiplatform is a ridiculous point. Whatever one dissenter does nothing, UC2 is above and beyond the standard of any genre and for me along with MGS4 is what this generation will be defined by, no matter who wins the platform race.

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tes37
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 5:26:32 PM
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The fact that it's exclusively on the ps3 is irrelevant. The game is still available to everyone that's willing to pay the price of admission. I haven't seen anything else like it myself, but I feel like if they didn't do anything revolutionary, they at the very least perfected the genre.

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A2K78
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 5:26:33 PM
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Sound like that mouthing off on how Forza 3 will the be end of racing.

While true that Uncharted 2 really isn't revolutionary, as somebody said in this thread it sound more like envy.

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Douchebaguette
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 5:44:43 PM
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Multiple platforms = benchmark? That's like saying overly advertised generic garbage music is revolutionary because more people are exposed to it.


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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 6:08:46 PM

That's like saying Guitar Hero is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

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Gregory Freeman
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 6:45:07 PM

its just like saying the town wh0re is better because it has more STD's....

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Irievibes
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 6:57:19 AM

Std's are bind on pickup ;)

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 5:45:15 PM
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Let me see if I've got this right...

So in Cox's eyes, "IF" he's saying that all games should be multiplats, as in making the PS3 the lead platform, so that even the 360's version winds up better for it.....
Then Cox is a certified genius!!!!!

But if Cox is saying that all games should just be multi-plats, as in making any other console/PC as the lead platform, so that the PS3 game gets gimped again, again, & again......
Then Cox really is 52 cards short of a full-deck.


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BikerSaint
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 5:49:27 PM
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besides, if Cox was so sure of his own game's abilities, then why did he even need to get Kojima involved in it???

I'm sure if it winds up great, all of the thanks should go mainly to Kojima.

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Bugzbunny109
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 5:50:51 PM
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Lol, he really thinks that Uncharted 2 will be "revolutionary" on the Wii or the 360? Only the ps3 can produce a game similar to U2.

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Alienange
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 5:58:00 PM
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So Lords of Shadow will be on the Wii?

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www
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 6:08:47 PM

Its ultra-multiplat, its gonna be on blackberries and iphones too ;)

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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 6:09:56 PM

lol yea like MW. on every platform possible. I downloaded it for my Kindle the other day. ;)

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www
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 7:37:46 PM

Hey I have MW on my iPad, beat that ;)

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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 8:06:00 PM

MW3 will be available for your navigation system in 2013.

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Alienange
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 9:58:08 PM

LOL @ "ultra-multiplat"

You trying to give Cox a run for his money?

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Snaaaake
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 6:17:56 PM
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if you think UC2 isn't revolutionary that's ok because to some it might be some 3rd person shooter with puzzle and platforming, but Cox's reason is just........

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Thinker
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 6:23:22 PM
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"[But] Uncharted was a single format release. If any game is going to set a benchmark for a genre it would need to do so across multiple platforms."

Well, THAT was a silly thing to say. I guess Mario, when it came out only on Nintendo, set no benchmarks either?

Additionally, I assume Castlevania LOS will not be revolutionary either, as it is not multiplatform enough - it's not coming out on the Wii, after all.

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Jed
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 7:27:45 PM
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U2 would not have been so great if it was held down by the other consloes.

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Shams
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 8:35:32 PM
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A game can't be 'redefining' if it's an exclusive? I wonder if Cox would've used the same argument about his main man at the helm, Kojima-san, and his gem, MGS4.

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Scarecrow
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 8:40:23 PM
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Castlevania used to be good when it was only for Playstation...

It's a dumb statement anyway you look at it. Would he tell Kojima that MGS1 wasn't revolutionary because it came out for ps1 and not N64?

I think it's a statement to get attention

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Thinker
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 10:25:08 PM

This looks more like the result of a disagreement involving platforms between Cox and Kojima, with Cox seemingly eager to bring all new games to the MS platform, thereby terming them "multiplatform" and thus "eligible for benchmark-setting".

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Him
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 9:04:08 PM
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Says the loser.....

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King James
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 10:35:33 PM
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I guess cocaine IS a hellava drug, huh.

Tell that to Mario (all of 'em), Sonic, Zelda (all of 'em), Metroid (Prime too), or GoldenEye64, or Virtual Fighter, Gran Turismo, or even Halo.

I just lost interest in the development of this Castlevania game.

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tdinc1
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 @ 10:51:15 PM
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When Devs start talking this way, its shows signs of jealousy. Devs like naughty Dog and Gurella Games put of graphical masterpieces and have the know how and "TALENT" to create Great games. Others just draw straws on what to say because they cannot master a certain platform, and thus a game go muli plat..

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___________
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 2:02:41 AM
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it isnt?
ok, than can you name one other game that has a scene like the train chase?
the physics evolved in that were amazing, not only is the train moving, the scenery is too and its 100% completley intractable.
through a grenade and watch it roll back to you, makes you think twice before deploying a banger!

game play wise, fun wise, story wise uncharted 2 was nothing special.
technology wise is a whole different story, there were so many scenes that made my jaw hit the ground.
thats one thing that disappointed me with GOW3, with uncharted 2 you get a action scene to boot the pace to twice the speed of light than as soon as it starts to drop you get another booting it back up there.
with GOW3 you have one, maybe 2 and thats about it.

o, yea, and name one other game that came out this gen that was partly coded in assembly.
that just goes to show the dedication of ND, assembly is a pain in the a$$.
you have 4 numbers either 0 or 1 for each letter, so imagine writing a if statement but instead of using letters using 4 numbers per letter.
imagine how long the code would be, it would make it a massive pain in the a$$ to debug your code, and as far as i know theres no compiler so if there is a error (which their will be) there is nothing telling you where it is like in normal C++.

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vicious54
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 11:16:03 AM

Assembly language is necessary for some video game console programming and in some routines that need to be as fast as possible, or require very little overhead.

There are more games that use assembly than you might want to believe in your arrogant mind.

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just2skillf00l
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 2:09:38 AM
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Whoa there Cox, let's retrace our steps for a minute second. So you're telling me in order to redefine the action genre, one must bestow a limiter upon the targeted game redefining the action genre such as developing the game for all systems of course downgrading the quality of the higher potential console/s in the process. So in short, in order to redefine, one MUST limit the quality and ability of the highest power. So if I'm hearing this right, in order for a prince to succeed the throne, he must first murder the king...his father? What?

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RebelJD
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 4:21:20 AM
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Sounds like this dude is hating. To say that Uncharted 2 can't achieve greatness because it's only on the PS3 is gay. It's like saying The Rolling Stones couldn't achieve greatness because they stuck to a genre instead of pushing their music to be included in other genres as well. It's like saying Super Mario Bros. can't achieve greatness because it's an effen Nintendo exclusive! It's like saying Derek Jeter can't achieve greatness because he's only played for the fuckin' New York Yankees his whole damn career!!!

Someone get a WWE Superstar Diva to kick this dude's ass...please.

Game the "f" on Gamers, Game on.

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Fane1024
Friday, April 09, 2010 @ 4:56:49 PM

To be fair, Jeter does suck BECAUSE he's a Yankee. ;P

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Banky A
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 4:21:47 AM
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Ok that Cox (seewhatididthere?) is asking for it.
D:

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Richy
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 4:22:18 AM
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hello ...

humm, sounds like if i live in a country where the max speed limit is 110Km/hr, it makes the Ferrari or any other muscle / sport car very bad for they are not made for me.

cheers!

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Notes36
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 6:01:07 AM
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I Agree With Dave Cox A Hundred Percent!!!!!

Cause We All Know That (Zelda, Mario, Halo, MGS, Grand Tourism & Much More) Did Not Redefine Anything Since They First Came Out As A "Single Format Release"!!!

I Mean Just Because Zelda Took RPGs In A Hold Other Direction & Grand Tourism Made Racing Simulation As Big As It Is Today, Doesn't Mean That They Redefine Anything Since They Were Only On One Platform!!!!!!!!

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Notes36
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 6:29:06 AM

By The Way I Mean "Grand Turismo" It Came Out "Grand Tourism" Cause I Seen That That The Spell Check Had Highlighted Turismo As Wrong And I Used Auto Correct!!!!!

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Irievibes
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 7:00:43 AM

it is in fact "grand touring" the name of the race, only in italian (?) i believe, hecne grand tourismo , wich gets americanazied with gran turismo for the games, but the real race is actually called like that, some stuff gets lost in translation i suppose , the spell checker goes for tourism, rather than touring

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Fane1024
Friday, April 09, 2010 @ 4:58:54 PM

"Gran Turismo" = Italian; "grand tourismo" =/= Italian.

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Irievibes
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 7:03:20 AM
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me thinks this guy is just an xbox lover and sounds butthurt that "his" console didnt get anything even remotely similar to UC2...

bah genre defining to me is taking the old formulas for games, and making something completley new with them , something hasnt done before, like infamous or uncharted (say what you will about infamous, but a super hero game has NEVER been done like this, let alone by just TWELVE GUYS )

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DeathOfChaos
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 8:39:46 AM

Infamous was made by only 12 guys...? Holy hell, lol. That makes my image of Infamous much more epic, lol.

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Beamboom
Friday, April 09, 2010 @ 7:01:30 AM

So what exactly in U2 were completely new and not done before? One could claim it is *better* than the earlier action/adventure games, but NEW?
What separates this game from, say, Lara Croft? The 3rd persion view? The weapons? The way the story is told?

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Fane1024
Friday, April 09, 2010 @ 5:05:05 PM

inFAMOUS was not made by twelve guys; there were twelve artists (i.e., the people who design and build items within the game world). That number doesn't include all the engineers, animators, writers, etc.

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DeathOfChaos
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 8:38:38 AM
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A genre CAN'T be redefined, it's as simple as that. If a genre becomes 'redefined', that just means it became a new genre in itself. Wow, this guy makes video games? What an idiot...

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bigrailer19
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 9:29:08 AM
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This is the most rediculous comment ever! well in a long time. It seems like the only games really pushing the industry forward are those to single platforms.

This guys probably wants publicity.

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Norm
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 11:54:30 AM
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And the Wii is not Revolutionary - well, not until Move and Natal - THEN it will be Revolutionary.

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Shatterday
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 12:02:30 PM
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Ugh... Looks like I can't buy Castlevania now...

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BigBoss4ever
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 2:15:37 PM
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i am not a fan of Uncharted games, or any shooting based games; however, wut this guy said sounds like a bullsxxt to me. so wut, the games has to be multiplat in order to achieve glory?

so wut about MGS4, wut about GOW3, wut about Heavy Rain and Demon's Souls, just nonsense.

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FoxRacing916
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 2:21:44 PM
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I completely disagree.. To be honest I like how this game is only on ps3.. I think we need to get more developers on our side.. Look at all ps3 vs xbox reviews.. They look the same, but ps3 is capable of SO MUCH MORE! This game pretty much gives me a reason to say to xbox fans .. you guys have halo.. pretty much the most retarded game of life.. and we have uncharted.. I would take uncharted over halo any day. Imagine CoD if it went to PS3 only.. It would be amazing, not even gonna lie. All of my friends except for a few play xbox, and if CoD went to ps3 I bet you at least half of them would get ps3's and ditch xbox. My one friend is going over to xbox because you can hack easier.. Like really, is that really a good enough reason?

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jlynn33
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 4:21:08 PM
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He is A-S-S-U-M-I-N-G that uncharted 2 could be done on any other platform. I don't think the 360 is capable. It might just explode and catch fire, oh wait, they already do that!

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BikerSaint
Thursday, April 08, 2010 @ 9:11:30 PM
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Hey wait, the 360 easily does "BOOM" too,
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(A BOOM to the power of RROD, that is)

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Edito
Friday, April 09, 2010 @ 7:31:59 AM
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im sou tired of hearing this devs talking about uncharted 2 in this way... ok they didn't re-invent the genre but they did an awesome job bringing the same old fashion genre in a way that no other dev are able to (just Cause 2) sou stop saying things like this cause we all know that U2 is one of the best games ever... and U3 will rock too

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NetheRealm
Friday, April 09, 2010 @ 7:52:52 AM
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Imagine a Mario Galaxy, Zelda or Metroid that utilizes the full power of the PS3 & move now that would be revolutionary. Sadly not in our lifetime.

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Crabba
Friday, April 09, 2010 @ 8:06:41 PM
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Moronic statement. Besides, revolutionary, evolutionary, it all doesn't matter - Uncharted 2 is one of the best games ever made!! Case closed.

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