Are Network Users More Mature Than Live Users?
I will freely admit that I don't play online that often - I'm usually far too busy and I still prefer single-player campaigns - but over the past few years, I've spent my fair share of time on both the PlayStation Network and Xbox Live. Now, is it just me, or does the level of immaturity on one vastly outstrip that of the other?
Perhaps it can be called an unfair observation as everyone undoubtedly has different experiences online, but I've also noticed that many of our PSXE members have reported a similar situation. Now, studies have indicated that the average PS3 owner may be significantly older than the average Xbox 360 owner, and there's a bit of common sense and logic that supports that idea: the PS3 was very expensive when it first launched; a $600 price tag isn't exactly accessible to younger gamers. Furthermore, the PlayStation generation began five years before the Xbox generation and hence, many of those who currently own a PS3 became fans of Sony back in the '90s. Then there's the argument that PlayStation fans are just more mature in general, but I'm not sure that's realistic and it'd be a little difficult to find statistics for either side. But the bottom line is that while online multiplayer is always iffy to begin with - incessant swearing, unbelievably retarded comments, even racism and sexism - it seems that Live just has...well, more of it.
I just tend to hear younger voices, dumber comments, and more ridiculously childish behavior on Live. Now, for the record, you will still find plenty of that on the PSN; the entire situation is more than a little depressing. One minute, I think the gaming crowd might actually be starting to grow up (Heavy Rain has topped 1 million in sales, for instance) and the next, I'm convinced that only 13-year-old idiots play online. But is it really worse on one service than the other? What are your experiences like?
4/12/2010 9:21:49 PM Ben Dutka
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shadowpal2
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 11:27:42 PM
packersfan66
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 2:02:24 PM
WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 9:39:31 PM
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I C E_COLD
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 9:43:35 PM
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www
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 5:52:27 AM
Club80
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 9:49:43 PM
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The first time I went online with Uno, on the 360, I was called lots of racist and homophobic names. I thought Uno would be benign, yet it turned into a hate session. I've not played anything online on Live since.
I would say that PSN users are more mature, by a long shot!
rogers71
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 1:05:33 AM
BigT_1980
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 2:22:29 AM
Nlayer
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 9:50:18 PM
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My XBL will expire next month and I will not be re-newing it. I don't really play much online, but when I do I'll just go with the PSN where I know I'll have a good time. =]
VicTheMighty
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 9:52:59 PM
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Sure it wouldnt work flawlessly since some kids might play on their dads accounts but we might be able to get rid of the main flock lolll
And yeah same thing the other way around also... 13yrs old could create 13 and under games haha then they wouldn't have to cope with us either :D
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bigrailer19
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 9:53:01 PM
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Im an avid online player and games like MW, and MW2, i run into the worst gamers ever. I enjoyed the game, but ill admit the servers are full of nonsense.
Then i get on exclusives like UC2, or even MAG, and KZ2 and its nothing but people who wanna have fun. I dont actually hear a lot of people talk on UC2, but when i play MAG its all about teamwork. Everyone who plays MAG in my opinion are the best gamers. That game truly is a godsend to a network full of mature users.
I dont know why, but although ive ran into my share of dorks on the PSN, that just wanna talk crap, I find my experience on the network to be very enjoyable and id say 50% of my gaming is done online. I cant explain why but the COD series brings most of the negative gamers, while as i said it seems like the exclusives, like MAG bring the best gamers.
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Kowhoho
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 9:55:34 PM
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Then you have MAG, where I have always followed/suggested orders and contributed to the conversation, as does everyone else. I've yet to meet an inconsiderate person in a round of MAG.
Kowhoho
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 10:07:46 PM
dachemists
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 11:11:03 PM
Kowhoho
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 11:48:21 PM
LimitedVertigo
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 9:58:26 PM
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BlackBriar
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 9:58:31 PM
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SnipeySnake
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 9:58:38 PM
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SnipeySnake
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 10:03:29 PM
Kingshitv4
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 10:06:12 PM
Jed
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 12:41:02 AM
sonic1899
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 1:03:13 AM
elass0wyp0
Thursday, April 15, 2010 @ 5:36:56 PM
I found that if you say "shhhhhh!" to LIVE kids they don't know what to do or say and just stop talking. It must take them back to infancy or remind them of their mother, they know how to reply to aggressive taunts but a simple "Shhhhhhh!" just baffles them. Try it, it really works. You may have to vary the "shhh" sound to get it just right.
Highlander
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 9:58:57 PM
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I remember back in the early days of Home there was a lot of verbal abuse before the public mics were turned off.There is still plenty of immature and annoying behavior in Home, but at least it's no longer verbal.
I think PSN is overall more mature, but it's unfortunately true that idiocy and immaturity are not a function of age or wealth.
godsman
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 10:16:33 PM
dachemists
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 11:20:40 PM
BTNwarrior
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 10:08:07 PM
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However I have noticed an increasing number of people on mag who complain that they are not squad leader and then try to kick squad leader so they can be it.
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BlackBriar
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 10:08:53 PM
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regular14
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 10:14:42 PM
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Zemus101
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 10:19:09 PM
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Scarecrow
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 10:27:55 PM
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Yet, most of the time you rarely, if ever get a message from them cursing you out.
In fact, they don't send messages at all.
^This situation alone says a lot for me
if in a game like Demon's Souls they stay as mature as can be then that says it all to me.
Though, there are a lot of idiots on both (can't be avoided)
BTNwarrior
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 2:06:42 AM
Deleted User
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 10:33:47 PM
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of course I call anyone who does the humping taunt after killing someone an idiot, and that's like 30% of the people I've seen online.
I do however note that I've heard tons of complaints about people sending foul messages to others on live, it sounds like an epidemic. and on the Network the only messages I've ever received from people online were things like "good game!" so that's saying something
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BigT_1980
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 2:34:12 AM
The Stig
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 5:04:58 AM
whiskeytango74
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 10:42:17 PM
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frylock25
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 10:45:46 PM
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half of my friends list is people i know in real life that have ps3's and the other half are people i have met in games online.
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xnonsuchx
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 10:49:24 PM
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I can definitely say that all the 'brats' on XBL is the biggest complaint from people I know w/ 360's (yes, bigger than having gone throught 2 RRoDs for a few of them!).
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Jed
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 10:55:25 PM
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Of course, I was playing Resistance 2 co-op last night and nobody else had a mic. I also got really pissed off when everybody that was a spec ops or medic thought they were a soldier.
In my experience, people on the PSN are mostly well mannered. Live is like a half way house for juvenile offenders.
spiderboi
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 11:06:17 PM
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dachemists
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 11:25:23 PM
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Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 11:31:03 PM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 1:04:22 AM
Jawknee
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 1:26:27 AM
LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 1:42:26 AM
Jawknee
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 2:40:51 AM
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AStiffyIffy
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 8:11:42 PM
grayfox2k8
Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 11:42:28 PM
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orangpelupa
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 12:16:37 AM
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Charger7302
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 12:53:03 AM
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rogers71
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 12:59:03 AM
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My online experience is quite limited on PSN. I just don't see what the fuss is with MP games. When I first bought my PS3 back in 2007, I went online and found it to be extremely layed back with few rude or vulgar comments. Then came the Update that added the voice changer. Since that time, I have not played one game online that didn't have someone with their voice either at the low or high end of the spectrum spouting racial slurs and profanity.
I would be extremely happy if companies would spend all their resources on a gripping SP game and drop the MP altogether. IMO, the MP fad is sapping all the imagination and creativity out of society and leaving everyone braindead drones that love to use the term 'teabag'.
LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 1:26:57 AM
Banky A
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 9:19:02 AM
Dancemachine55
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 7:48:16 PM
Only time I go online is on Live with a few friends for a round of Borderlands or Halo. Private chat only.
I've never EVER gone on a public multiplayer server. Multiplayer games bore me to tears, the people there are so foul-mouthed, and it's mostly in shooters that you find this kind of behaviour!!!
Actually, that would make a good psychology study at uni. Do shooters bring out the worst behaviour in people when playing online?
I've only played the single player campaigns on MW2, never gone online (even tho I have it on PS3, not XXXbox 3-fix-me) and I haven't touched it since I got it last year. The Prestige Edition was a total waste of money, I continue to kick myself for blowing my money on that crap.
The good ol' days of playing with friends in your living room and great single player games are starting to disappear IMO. They're not gone yet, but I will certainly miss them when they do go.
A curse on MW2, Activision and Microsoft for bring out the worst in people. As Jack Johnson once sang...
"Where'd all the good people go?"
PSXextreme, from what I've been reading.
phade2blaq
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 1:42:21 AM
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I've encountered many instances during in-game chats filled with racial slurs and sexist comments on the PSN !
Overall, I think the gaming industry has done a poor job implementing online activities and gaming ! There's so many cheaters online that it's a shame !
For the life of me I can't figure out why the same cheats that worked on PS2 online games carry over and work on PS3 games ! I've been hit by the disconnect cheat so many times on Madden 10, NBA 2K10 etc etc that I no longer play online anymore as much as I once did !
I think both the PSN and Live have their share of idiots, bigots, sexists, racists and CHEATERS etc etc etc !
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FM23
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 2:35:29 AM
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XxNoir
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 2:43:30 AM
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I remember when i jumped on uncharted 2's multiplayer-i would party up with a group of my friends and go into matchmaking.Apon coming across another party 90% of the time someone would make a rude or immature remark to provoke an argument.Then when someone died you would hear them being a sore loser and call you a "bitch or a fag" and all hell would break loose.
On MGO its a whole lot worse,you enter a game its very unlikely you'll leave before hearing "Get good nub".
So the answer is yes there are a hell of lot immature gamers on PSN.
___________
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 2:49:34 AM
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i sure have not noticed it, especially with the MAG beta and the "that dingo stole my baby" pathetic remark!
real original!
not to mention all the pervs on home, and all the freaking chain mail i keep getting sent.
im actually really preying sony start charging for the PSN that way i wont have to connect my console and have all these pests sending me chain mail.
Dancemachine55
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 7:54:23 PM
MAG sounds more and more tempting for online after reading all these comments. Sounds like the only Mature shooter out there.
BikerSaint
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 2:52:53 AM
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But I've got to think that the 360 would have tons more whiny brats on it, only because...
1. The 360 had a year's head-start, so that's what the parents bought their little snot-sniffler's.
2. The 360 was also lot cheaper at the time, so that's another reason the 360 was what those parents bought their little rug-rats.
3. The 360 also came pre-packed with a mic, sooooo that's such a huge tantrum-screaming bonus for the naughty-chair crowd.
4. Too many moms(or dads) don't have the the proper parenting skills, or just don't care, so they bought the 360 as a live-in "Super-Nanny". But what they failed to realize, is that this nanny also needed it's own damned supervision.
5. This one relates back to number #4, the parent's let their kids to put the 360 in their own bedrooms(so they won't/don't even have to bother with their kids).
So now those little nostril picker's had free reign on the 360 till M$ might have banned a few of them for a day. And although I don't know exactly how the 1 day ban works, does anyone really think the lil booger's were going to rat themselves out to mom or dad??? Hell no, they just act like nothing happened & just found a totally different way to totally annoy the bejesus out of everyone else within 500 yards of them.
Now, on the PS3 side of things,
1. The PS3 was so much more expensive when it came out, so a lot less kids even had access to one.
2. And being more expensive, plus the PS3 could also do so much more as a full media hub than the 360, that I'm sure most parent's placed it where it would could be seen at all times, like the living room. And by it being in full view of everyone, there was less chance of smack-talk talk from the little juice-box juggler's.
3. Since there's no mic included with the PS3, most kid's thoughts aren't even on a mic, they're usually scheming on how to get more games.
rogers71
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 10:44:12 AM
That sounds like it could be a foreigner song.
Biker, it sounds like you either have a running vocabulary of nicknames for immature children or you have an extreme dislike for the little ones. Keep in mind that alot (not all) of the racist and profane comments aren't always made by teens. Still, funny post though.
Richy
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 3:30:47 AM
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this is a LOL subject ... yeah!
i can't say anything about live, never experienced it :)
PSN is full of everything though, but depends what kind of games.
I've played a few games + demos online & had different experience on most
i remember playing fine the Bad Company 2 demos, didn't hear any cuss.
same applied to Crash Commando & i was surprised.
but the only time i didn't play Lost Planet 2 Co-op demo with one of my friends, i ran out into a buch of bad mouth banshees ... that was really hard!
the ModNation racer beta also was full of kids playing around & getting on my nerve.
now don't talk about PS HOME, this is a Kid's nest LOL.
cheers!
BikerSaint
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 3:39:39 PM
Yeah, I looked at that when I wrote It & Foreigner was the very 1st thing that popped up in my mind too, LOL
Nahhh, just using a some extra vocab for the lil skiddle munchers.
I don't dislike kids in general, only hate the super-spoiled or the untrained, always mis-behaving, bratasaurus's.
Anyways, I helped to raise my own 2 girls, plus I've got 2 pre-tween grand-kids now too. They were all raised the right way & I've never had a problem with them because they were taught respect, manners, and social skills. And that's something that's sorely lacking with some parents these days(and I'm using the term "parent's" loosely here.
But if all else fails with the dirt eaters, I hear that batter dipping & deep frying them,
makes them almost as enjoyable as chicken.
PS. Don't forget a splash or two of hot sauce too.
BTW, oh, I do know some adults are more immature than an embryo. LOL
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Snaaaake
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 5:03:01 AM
Robochic
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 5:50:09 AM
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I have played on PSN and I have never really had an issue, I have played uno, UC2 ect and the only issue I had was on UNO if I beat a male compontent they log off or kick me off thier games guess they dont' like a girl beating them. LOL
Reality is PSN users are an older crowd nothing at this moment really sways the underage kids to get one at this time plus most kids have an xbox so of course u're going to go with the console u're friends have.
Dancemachine55
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 8:06:41 PM
I was beaten by a 14 Y.O. girl from the U.S. on expert. But she was really nice about, we exchanged a few messages saying "Good game", "Nice work", "Great song seleection" etc etc, and it almost restored my faith in Live.
Guys who kick girls off just cos they are beaten is a sign of insecurity, poor sportsmanship, they're really not worth the time.
It is a shame these kind of people exist. Haven't been taught proper social skills, that it's all about playing the game, not just winning, etc...
www
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 6:01:38 AM
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On the PS3 though I don't have a headset so I couldn't tell but that doesn't stop more a-holes from sending me all kinds of immature insults when I quit FIFA 10. Especially when a new FIFA comes out and you quit on your opponent, be sure to receive all kinds of disses since FIFA is usually a 1 on 1 affair, so in case you quit, your opponent just goes to the "friends met online", your name appears first and he sends you an ugly message, simple.
But with other games like MW2, Uncharted, LBP which iivolves a lot of players, you don't really get that.
And oh, there are still way more degenerates and nutjobs at our one and only PS Home ;)
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tlpn99
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 6:09:56 AM
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You still get the odd idiot or 2 when playing MW2 online. On BC2 you don't. This could be when playing against a load of strangers in your 4 man squad sometimes you get on with people who just don't talk. That game needs you to be talking to your 3 other comrades in arms so you can say I need health/ammo etc.
I do find that less mature people aka kids are on MW2 though for some reason.
LittleBigMidget
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 7:03:43 AM
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JackC8
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 7:10:01 AM
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Sigh...people enjoy this s***? No thanks, not for me. Not in a million years.
Ultimadream
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 7:33:00 AM
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I don't take online gaming very seriously, on MGO, i would usually run around in the box or put magazines everywhere. i much preffer games where people are more chilled than when the only objective is a headshot. If i encounter someone taking it too seriously - and by that i mean shouting at his team, i will team kill him without sympathy.
I've noticed that Resistance 2 online is quite a solid experience, i've very rarely encountered someone really annoying.
little dreamer
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 8:34:09 AM
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Superman915
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 8:38:46 AM
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Deathstriker
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 8:56:38 AM
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Banky A
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 9:24:01 AM
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There are an amazing amount of videos on YouTube that have recorded kids and other trash talking/swearing/being gay (using the term loosely, tehe) on Xbox Live.
I've HARDLY seen ANY videos of that type for PSN.. - and honestly I think I may have only seen one, or a couple.
Banky A
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 9:27:40 AM
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MyWorstNightmar
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 10:43:10 AM
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And then of course the screen names have to be obscene in some sort of way. Some are pretty clever, and then some you just shake your head at.
I just love how courageous these idiots are to bad mouth people when there is no way they will ever have to confront the people they berate. The internet makes them all tough guys.
Oh, and those guys playing chess in Home, I bet they are the worst! =)~.....
maxpontiac
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 12:22:33 PM
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MadKatBebop
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 1:28:06 PM
Zorigo
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 1:49:12 PM
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i have a friend who has arguements with anyone who has a headset.
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sha4dowknight05
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 2:41:53 PM
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Only because they have more idiots and idiots don;t think only do!!!!
go out buy xbl and make an account than rrod dammit got to go buy a new 360 and a new xbl card too!!!
SirLoin of Beef
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 4:02:20 PM
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I doesn't matter to me because on XBL I usually stick to friends or, if I have to play the game with others, I don't use voice coms as I can't stomach much of the idiocy people love to spout online.
Shadow_Ninja
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 4:27:37 PM
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i play call of duty by the way.
Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 8:44:22 PM
carl0975
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 5:07:22 PM
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Long story short, Immaturity is everywhere, that's why most games come with an option to turn off VoIP audio.
Deleted User
Wednesday, April 14, 2010 @ 4:26:06 PM
Simple. 360 comes with mic. PS3 does not come with Bluetooth.
If lost/broken, 360 mic costs a lot less to replace. If lost/broken/don't have one, Bluetooth is much more expensive to buy.
I think I come across 10 people a week on the PS3 who actually have a Bluetooth and use it. Some are annoying and some are not. On the 360, a lot more people talk because they can and it is a lot easier/more comfortable to wear that thing than some of the Blue"tooths". Some are annoying and some are not. (Also, because you have party chat, you exclude yourself from having to hear the garbage you don't want to hear by inviting your party only. Simple and effective.)
I do not think that the users are more mature on the PS3 than on the 360. What a crock.
Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, April 15, 2010 @ 12:50:47 AM
And I've warned you before to stop with your obvious sh**. Don't do it again. Last chance.
Deleted User [Administrator]
Thursday, April 15, 2010 @ 9:12:15 AM
Let's say there were only 100 players with headsets on the PS3 and there were 1,000 on 360. Just because you hear fewer idiots on the PSN does not mean there are fewer. This is where the whole "there are a lot more headsets available to the folks on 360" argument comes into play. It SEEMS like there are more because there are generally more people talking. It's a skewed gripe that I think is ridiculous and for that, I'm "warned"? lol
Really, I think you need to relax. I'm sorry that my opinion insulted you so much. I'm sorry that I don't fall all over myself to heap tons and tons of praise onto you for every little comment/review you post like everyone else. You say this is a fair website. Act like it. Or don't. I really don't care.
DeathOfChaos
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 7:22:53 PM
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Also, for a something about the PS3; most immaturity is on Home. I was online with my gf on Home, talking to her, and some guy comes up and hits on her while I'm talking to her. Someone has asked my another one of my friends if they wanted her to see their...yeah...and even one guy took pictures of my gf and said he was going to beat off to them. It doesn't happen often, but when it does, it's bad...
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Wednesday, April 14, 2010 @ 4:45:01 PM
Douchebaguette
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 8:18:28 PM
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Today whilst playing Uncharted 2 online I heard a couple of kids...only they weren't insulting, nor were they being annoying. They were simply communicating for the sake of teamwork. Wasn't much the same back in my 360 days.
Even so, the main reason is obviously because there's less encounters with headset wearers and therefore it's a chain of feeling lame if you were to talk nonsense online to practically nobody. Though as the PS3's popularity rises, I expect to hear more mics, hence more abuse. Thank God for Skype.
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Tuesday, April 13, 2010 @ 8:19:21 PM
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PS Home, on the other hand...well, let's just say I'm not the age group they are looking for. Haven't been there at all this year.
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Wednesday, April 14, 2010 @ 4:47:58 PM
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RebelJD
Wednesday, April 14, 2010 @ 8:00:53 PM
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Here in America we have way too much racism and ignorance going around to feed the poor and bring back the economy up to par. It shows in online gaming, it shows in social blogs, bulletin comments, etc. you name it.
When I played Uncharted 2 online I came across hmmm 1 or 2 players that were annoying..but truthfully they weren't as bad as Live players.
I don't think it has to do with age, I more so believe it has to do with America and how people have grown to live behind a screen to do their "trash talking".
I, like the author of this post, do my gaming mainly on "single player campaign".
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Thursday, April 15, 2010 @ 8:36:26 AM
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