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Capcom: Japanese Games May Not "Have A Hope In Hell"

There was a time when just about all the great games came from Japan and in fact, if you learned a particular title was Western-developed, you were immediately skeptical.

But the industry has changed drastically since those days, and many Japanese publishers have been looking for ways to cater to a growing Western fanbase. This is why Square-Enix has made the strides they have (to mixed reactions), and although we do see a significant shift in the presentation of many Japanese-based titles, Capcom thinks they need to do more. A lot more. In fact, as they outsource more projects to Western developers, they know they still lag behind those same designers. According to an interview Resident Evil 5 producer Jun Takeuchi gave to Xbox World 360 (and cited by Industry Gamers), the Japanese industry may not "have a hope in hell." Said Takeuchi:

"If the Japanese games industry doesn’t evolve and simply maintains its current status quo, I really don’t think we have a hope in hell. Drastically innovative ideas are needed – and quickly – to equal or exceed the Western games industry."

Fellow Capom boss and Mega Man designer Keiji Inafune said something very similar last September; in speaking at the Tokyo Game Show, he said he looked around at all the games on the floor and said to himself, "Man, Japan is over. We're done. Our game industry is finished." While there are plenty of important Japanese franchises, it's clear that the likes of Uncharted, Grand Theft Auto, Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, and others are either competing favorably with or surpassing the likes of Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, and even Metal Gear Solid. It's just a little discouraging to hear Capcom get so down about it...

5/17/2010 9:14:32 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (77 posts)

godsman
Monday, May 17, 2010 @ 9:38:26 PM
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You need variety in games. He says "evolve" as if the game gets better when westernized. Western developers makes games for western audience only like always. They will always make the better "western" game. Japanese trying to imitate their style will always be one step behind them. Mind as well focus on your strong points and make your own style of game.

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Vitron
Monday, May 17, 2010 @ 11:43:59 PM

Problem is... why can't they realize that>

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VicTheMighty
Monday, May 17, 2010 @ 11:55:58 PM

Because they are blinded by greed and the desire to conquer AMERICAAAA or something lol.

And well they might also have a superiority complex making them think their games are too mentally demanding for us western people... But since we outnumber them big time they figured dropping the bar on the floor for more sales was respectable. XD Now cmon hop over it my little westerners.... BY OUR EVOLVED GAMES AND ENTER THE STAGE OF DEBILATIONNNNN and such.

So yah... Only solution would be for rockstar to release a 4 million selling day 1 JRPG ripoff in america. Then they would realize their mistake and either fix it or commit seppuku. For that is what they do best.

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bridgera
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 1:08:41 AM

The weird thing is, games like Final Fantasy did great w/o specifically appealing to Western style.

So why they tried to change to appeal to a market they were already doing well in is beyond me.

If it isn't broke, don't fix it.

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Vitron
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 6:44:24 AM

They should have just made a new title instead of ruining FF

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BTNwarrior
Monday, May 17, 2010 @ 9:40:15 PM
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They just need to stop trying to mimic western games and do their own thing. A prime example is street fighter 4, they went back to the basics of what made the game fun and came out with something everyone loved.

An example of what not to do is what SE did with FF13, implement a crappy fighting system and then force you to grind for hours with it before reaching another cinematic.

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Jawknee
Monday, May 17, 2010 @ 9:46:06 PM
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Well, i think their attempt to westernize so far has failed and has put a damper on their games. Capcom and Square.

EDIT: It wouldn't surprise me if they feel this way because they are hanging around with too many Xboxers. Jun always seems to do interviews with Xbox people, magazines and sites. Capcom Unity had some party and invited Destructiod. I mean, c'mon!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, May 17, 2010 @ 10:00:31 PM

I agree, just being in the same room with an xbot lowers your IQ about twenty points.

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hellish_devil
Monday, May 17, 2010 @ 10:45:01 PM

You're right World. My friend just got a 360 and I went to his place to check it out, and to play some co-op gears. So when I arrived I checked his games, and I saw that he had like 10 games and 8 of them were shooters (the other two were assassins creed 2 and bayonetta). And I said to him "80% of your games are shooters!" And he said to me "well, yeah, but they are GOOD shooters". And that, people, is what an xbot's game library is. 80% shooters

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Vitron
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 8:04:12 AM

A sad little world...

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, May 17, 2010 @ 9:59:27 PM
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Umm I think Japanese games are trailing BECAUSE they are catering to the West. We don't want a half east half west game, and they don't want a western game. If my JRPGs die so will I.

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Jawknee
Monday, May 17, 2010 @ 10:05:17 PM

It seems the only Japanese devs crying doomsday are the ones that have been trying to westernize.

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Vitron
Monday, May 17, 2010 @ 11:58:40 PM

Hopefully LV5 and Gust won't do the same.


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VicTheMighty
Monday, May 17, 2010 @ 11:59:19 PM

God you know we should all buy a ticket to Japan and go smack some sense into them. Or yah maybe we could get a petition to stop their insanity. Bet is 5 million westerners sign it they will stop freaking out.

Or maybe we could twit em to death and kidnap their families :D :D

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Vitron
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 12:08:39 AM

Ok! Fund me, i'll do it L:0L



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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 2:52:31 AM

I dunno where he is but while we're in Japan we should get some of those used vending machine panties for LimitedVertigo.

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Vitron
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 3:24:27 AM

Speakin' of Lv, Where is he?

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Siege
Monday, May 17, 2010 @ 10:00:42 PM
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I agree with all the comments above. So far, when Japanese companies have made an attempt to appeal to the market-at-large, it just ends up lowering the quality of the games and making fans angry.

The problem isn't so much Japanese games as it is Western gamers (granted, some foreign games are just odd...but sometimes, even odd turns out great! e.g., Katamari). Much of the market is being driven by gamers who want instant and constant stimulation, who care little for complex/beautiful stories, and who are caught up in the "open world" craze. These are aspects of games that can be appreciated, but are ultimately foreign to the Japanese genres, generally speaking of course.

I don't know what the answer is. I know that the Japanese devs aren't doing anywhere near as well as they used to as far as interest in their games go. Part of this may have to do with the fact that us PS3 owners are still waiting on a true, turn-based JRPG... (not that the JRPG is the only good thing to come out of Japan but...come on...it's what many of us love)

Whatever the Japanese devs decide to do, I hope that they do it well and do not sacrifice the quality and uniqueness of their games in order to appeal to the West.

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FxTales
Monday, May 17, 2010 @ 10:10:17 PM
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Someone needs to tell Japanese games to be themselves.

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hellish_devil
Monday, May 17, 2010 @ 10:15:04 PM
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There's always hope. Just look at Demon's Souls or The Last Guardian, or Valkyria Chronicles and Super Street Fighter IV.

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hellish_devil
Monday, May 17, 2010 @ 10:27:26 PM

And as a sidenote, who does better western shooter games??? well, surprisingly for japanese, WESTERNS. So stop trying to do shooters, if I would buy a shooter, I'd buy either Kilzone2 or MW2. I wouldn't buy any of those "made in japan by westernized-japanese" games. It's as simple as that. So stop trying to be western, and start being what you are, eastern, not mindless shooters, but a beatiful story with an amazing soundtrack and varied gameplay.

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Jawknee
Monday, May 17, 2010 @ 10:29:27 PM

Yes i was thinking this too. The western market turns to western devs for western games. If all the Japanese come west where will we get our Japanese games?

DRRRRRRRRR! Seriously Capcom, take a hint.

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Oxvial
Monday, May 17, 2010 @ 10:53:47 PM
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Just do fighting games Capcom, try to make back Shinji Resident Evil Mikami and do another Demons Crest to counter Konami's Castlevanias.

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fatelementality
Monday, May 17, 2010 @ 10:58:04 PM
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Meh, the rest of em can leave for all I care. Kojima could survive a nuclear blast :)

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coverton341
Monday, May 17, 2010 @ 11:06:44 PM
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I am so tired of being catered to. I started playing video games back in 84 or 85 because video games were cool. I continued playing video games because they kept getting cooler. I never played Counter Strike because it looked stupid to me. No offence to the CS fans. I bought any and every RPG I could find because the thought of having a fantastic adventure as a character on an impossible world enthralled me.

Sadly, those were the good old days. Now, I pick up a game once in a great while. I look at RPGs and reminisce about how much fun I used to have with Lunar 2 and the like, then I keep walking because I know it is all glint and graphic and no meat.

When I want a shooter I turn to Guerilla or Insomniac. When I want an RPG now I turn to Atlus or Level 5. When I want a Final Fantasy or Resident Evil sadly I turn to the PSN for games of yesteryear.

The gaming golden age seems to have slipped out of my fingers and it makes me teary eyed.

Other than the melodramatic overtone of this post it is completely true and is such because Japanese developers have forgotten why many of us began playing games to begin with. I guess it is just as well though since starting soon I will have absolutely no time to play games or do anything really. Oh well, life sure does change quickly.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, May 17, 2010 @ 11:41:28 PM

To relive the fun, get 3DDotHeroes!

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Vitron
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 12:02:15 AM

And make a Hideously Bad-ass creature!:)

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coverton341
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 10:37:07 AM

If I could find that game anywhere I would be playing it with tears of joy in my eyes but no one in a 50 mile radius has it. And I can't afford the gas to venture further than that.

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hellish_devil
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 3:16:07 PM

um.. maybe you can try amazon?? They deliver the product to your place you know?

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kraygen
Monday, May 17, 2010 @ 11:25:55 PM
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Maybe mr. capcom should stop whining and trying to fit in and be himself. Man this guy needs an after school special.

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Alienange
Monday, May 17, 2010 @ 11:33:18 PM
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Capcom sure has tanked this generation. What are they doing? They put out a bunch of second rate stuff and then blame it on the Japanese way of making games??

Those are nothing but the words of a loser. He's beaten down and doesn't know which way to go. Now he's begging for innovation before it's too late. Buddy! YOU'RE the one who makes games. YOU go innovate and stop pumping out the same games we've had for years now.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, May 17, 2010 @ 11:40:37 PM

They decided to follow the SE model... and look where it got them.

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Scarecrow
Monday, May 17, 2010 @ 11:45:16 PM

Their legendary games aren't their weakness

In fact, their legendary games are the ones selling the best: Super Street Fighter II HD Remix, Street Fighter, and Mega Man. To soon be followed by Marvel VS Capcom 3

So no, what's hurting them is the games they're trying to "Westernize," such as Bionic Commando, Lost Planet, and Moto GP

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Scarecrow
Monday, May 17, 2010 @ 11:42:13 PM
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Besides Street Fighter IV Capcom hasn't wow'd me this generation

Oh wait, they're trying to "westernize" their games

Funny, SFIV is actually made with a Japanese flair in mind. Exaggerated, anime-like experessions and art-style

And wasn't their latest Mega Man like the old school Mega Man games? For the most part, platform games mostly originated from Japan (or were perfected by the Japanese)

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Vitron
Monday, May 17, 2010 @ 11:49:28 PM

Yeah, I missed Megaman... especially Battle Network

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Oyashiro
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 12:16:36 AM
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Every time this subject comes up I for some reason keep thinking of the song "Waterfalls" by TLC...

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Oyashiro
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 12:17:44 AM

~Side note~

God, I miss the 90's.

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Robochic
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 12:33:02 AM
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Hmm Capcom is grumpy this week. Capcom just needs to go back to their roots and stop making crappy games maybe people would buy their games more.

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jdt1981
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 12:43:12 AM
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Japanese developers just don't get it... Why are they so obsessed with westernizing their games? Instead of trying to "evolve" AKA westernize they should go back to making their games the way they did before. Am I missing something did those old Final Fantasies and Resident Evils sell bad? No they didn't and western gamers loved them the way they were, I'm one of those Americans who loved those classic Japanese games. So why are Japanese developers trying to fix what wasn't broke?

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bridgera
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 1:07:00 AM
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Interesting.... I actually thought it was Capcom games, that "Didn't have a chance in hell"... yet it seems like they are still around.

Same will be true of the Japanese gaming industry.

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OriginalSin
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 2:00:12 AM
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Maybe they should make more games like MGS4...

Maybe they should bring back TURN BASED RPG and redo FFVII...

Maybe they should take Resident Evil back to it's roots like Racoon City and actually just change the tank controls.....Make it SURVIVAL HORROR AGAIN.

Maybe they should just do what (they use to )do best.....

I don't know that seems pretty accurate in my eyes and is that really so hard?

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NeotericDope
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 2:51:11 AM
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Wow not like anyone shouldn't have expected a shot at Xbox (or Xbots as I need to say or I'm not doing it right.) How about putting the blame on the developers if they're making bad games. They have no one to blame, but themselves. It has nothing to do with making them western. Eastern games can take western ideas and make them their own.

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sawao_yamanaka
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 5:04:44 AM

Wow you certainly came out of the wood work. Your as bad as ivan psp. Trying to westernize their games does have a bad impact on the games they are trying to make. We like our games a certain way. They should have left it how it was now everything is such a mess.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 10:33:01 AM

Wow not like your response isn't completely predictable. Go lecture some one else.

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Snaaaake
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 4:02:29 AM
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Obviously it's because they keep trying to 'westernized' their product *cough* Square Enix *cough*

I certainly don't see any American studio make any JRPG.(even if any did, were they successful?)

And my gut is telling me Resident Evil 6's gameplay will be close to Gears unless Capcom learn their lesson........

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Fane1024
Thursday, May 27, 2010 @ 4:12:04 PM

Try playing LOTR: The Third Age; it's a JRPG clone.

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Phoelix
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 4:09:40 AM
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Japanese developers probably need to understand that their nationality doesn't impose anything on how they make games.

Stop worrying so much about the east/west crap, and just make a game that you would enjoy playing. Those are the games we will buy.

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Vitron
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 5:12:27 AM

Well said! I thought you were LV though...

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NeotericDope
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 5:26:41 AM
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Forget the western/eastern label. It's quite simple if they want to use western ideas that's fine. I am trying to state that if they do they should expand upon them and make them their own. If you want to keep playing the same game over and over and over that's your prerogative, but others do not. The same goes for western developers. Like I said did anyone ever seem to think that these games are just poorly made for the sake of being poorly made? What is so wrong with the developer attempting to make change. To do something different. It has nothing to do with east or west or nationality. It has to do with the creator creating a game and if it's poorly executed you can't blame that on 'so-called' western gaming. Let's take Resident Evil 4 for example. They totally changed the game and made it better by turning it into third person. Resident Evil 5 was a great game as well. Developers are just trying to evolve. Metal Gear is a perfect example of the best of both worlds. This whole west/east thing is so petty. Just make games. The market in gaming right now is better than it's ever been. Quality is coming from everywhere and nobody can deny that.

It seems like gamers are just entitled brats who want everything there way and can't adapt. Gamers should be grateful that there is such an expansive choice of options out there. We are so spoiled yet all everyone does is gripe about this or that.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 10:27:46 AM

Resident Evil 5 was a disaster and your lecturing tone is unappreciated. It has everything to do with them trying to westernize. Most of us liked capcom and square because they made Japanese games. Not western games. They need to be them selves. They are allowed to evolved but they shouldn't throw out what made them great which is exaclty what they are doing in their attempt to "evolve".

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coverton341
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 10:56:34 AM

Your entire argument doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. There has empirically been a difference between games made by eastern developers i.e. those games made in Japan, and those games of a western origin. So by the very nature of there being a distinction it has more to do with the blending of the two styles than anything else.

There are also cultural differences to take into account that go into making a game because it is an entirely different mind set and thought process. We live our lives differently and interact differently and it shows through in our films, television programmes, music, literature, and yes even our games.

To try and blend the two is to take away a fundamental uniqueness from both markets and to believe that it comes down to "shut up whining and enjoy what you are given" is very naive and lends to a silo mentality where everyone should be happy with the same thing just because.

I for one, like many here, enjoy the eastern games. I enjoy the eastern cultures, foods, films, and values. To say there is no difference between the two is to take away from both and just very narrow from a world view perspective.

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mazreen
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 6:22:27 AM
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why just make resident evil 5 the darkness come back!?new game huh

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jami
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 6:36:31 AM
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why? because his last 2 games have been complete bullshit? he's trying to justify it by saying ALL japanese developers need to get their acts together or they're fucked, when really it's more likely he's worried about being finished himself. what a prick =) he's an adult. he should take responsibility and accept the fact that he's making lacklustre games and stop blaming everyone else around him.

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THE NTMIDTR
Thursday, May 20, 2010 @ 11:12:57 PM

Ditto...

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DeathOfChaos
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 7:10:01 AM
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Maybe if they stop trying to make western games and make Japanese games instead, they'll get somewhere. I can't believe the stupidity that has overcome most of the game developers in the past 5 or 6 years. They don't look at how awesome they were as opposed to how washed out they are now. I'm gonna say now that there are still some good Japanese game company's out there (ie; Tri-Ace first comes to mind), but most of the people who think "Let's stray away from what made us awesome and dumb our games down!" are going to get hurt. As a gamer, when a Japanese gaming company dumbed down their game and makes it more westernized, it tells me that they think I'm stupid. The vast majority of games in the US today are FPS, and 3rd Person Shooters. Not as many action games as those two. The only time I like a shooting game is when it's a free roam world, and that's not even done often, either.

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Ergi
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 7:40:15 AM
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Come on Japan you can do it!!
Just go back to your roots, please!!!

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JackC8
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 7:47:49 AM
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Like everyone else has already said: maybe if they quit assuming that we're all morons they might have better luck making games that appeal to us.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 10:30:35 AM

They hang out with Xbox constantly. How can they not get that impression?

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Orvisman
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 7:51:23 AM
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Japan still puts out some rather innovative, quirky, hardcore games. Demon's Souls or 3D Dot Game Heroes anyone?

Also, there are many quaility Japanese games still being released to this day that don't make it out of Japan. The Japan game industry is fine.

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Vitron
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 8:57:25 AM

Well for them, but somehow were not getting the good parts.


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Imagi
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 9:18:29 AM
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When did all the great games came from Japan with Western-developed, games looked at with sceptical eyes? Japan does not need to westernise it just needs to make games that people want to play.

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LightShow
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 10:31:23 AM
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something tells me that japan shouldnt be westernizing, they should literally be evolving the eastern tradition of game production.

its not like western devs have taken the field by becoming more eastern, they evolved upon the western style. if japan just decides to be more western, theyre gonna be a step behind the entire way, and they'll still falter.

plus, i'd look forward to a market with two distinct "schools" of game development. i mean, while we have great western games, the variety isnt exactly... well thats just it, there is no variety. western studios pretty much invented the FPS (goldeneye) and the Action Adventure (spyro, crash), and (successful) western takes on the japanese RPG are hybrids, or a FPS or Action adventure with RPG elements.

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D1g1tal5torm
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 10:55:12 AM
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Japan, relativley, is now a tiny proportion of the market and they realise it.

and their rpg games are rubbish too.

Ask capcom - straight from the horse's mouth.

Anyone who disagrees is burying their head in the sand...

...and to all you thumbs downers...

...you've got sand in your ears!!!!!!




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THE NTMIDTR
Thursday, May 20, 2010 @ 11:10:49 PM

To be fair... they don't do mainstream advertising either for titles really...

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Douchebaguette
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 11:04:58 AM
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If irony was made of strawberries, we'd all be drinking alot of smoothies right now.


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Jawknee
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 11:14:45 AM

Talk about Irony, see the article about Capcom's Westernized Bombshell at E3.

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Highlander
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 11:17:44 AM
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Wow, there seems to be a lot of self loathing and self pity doing the rounds of Japanese game developers. As it happens I share this opinion of Takeguchi's but not for the reasons he gave. The JApanese game development industry doesn't have a hope in hell if it continues to spiral down into this pit of self loathing and pity. What the hell has caused this? Why are game developers who otherwise should be holding their heads high and celebrating their games, instead beating themselves up and trying to become something that they are not?

Most confusing.

The first aspect of this I think is the language and cultural differences. Western audiences are not Japanese audiences, Japanese developers are not western developers. Game tastes vary greatly between cultures. There is *nothing* inherently superior about western game preferecnes. Nothing. To say otherwise is nothing less than cultural imperialism and ego. My impression of Japanese games has always been one of color, more whimsical design, JRPGs, beat'em ups and insanely difficult action games, not to mention obsessively good racing sims and tons of fan service / anime style. Let's not forget the dating sims and collection games like Monster Huunter. Throw in a good dose of formula driven platforming from Mario and you've pretty much got Japanese games. They sell well in Japan, and they sell OK here. The thing is they are games that appeal more to Japanese gamers because they are more in their culture and sensibility. That does not make them bad, nor does it mean that no western audience exists.

The flipside is the current fascination in Western game design for shooters and action games, first and third person. These games tap into a largely American cultural base that's driven by decades of Hollywood blockbusters and other cultural cues that have infiltrated other Western audiences - especially English speaking nations like the UK, Ireland, Australia and Canada. Games such as Halo, Modern Warfare 2, Gears of War, God of War, Killzone 2, Uncharted. Action RPGs like Mass Effect. These games are apparently more suited to our culture and sensibilities in the west. The sell very well in the West, and not so well in Japan. But that does not make them somehow better, it simply means that the appeal to the current cultural sensibilities of western gamers - in general.

Now, OK, I can see that Japanese developers might want a piece of that large gaming market, but the fact that there exists a large gaming market outisde your home market does not invalidate your home market, nor does it invalidate your current games. Why are they so quick to dismiss their own efforts? It's crystal clear that Japanese and Western gamers (for example) have very different tastes in games. But there is some cross over. Otherwise why would JRPGs (for example) have such an audience here?

Oh well, I guess I should not be surprised. the media and society in general is still not getting it when it comes to gaming. Gaming is one huge homogeneous lump of people who play kids games - right? Never mind all the demographics that show distinct markets based on age and gender in the market. Never mind that some games sell better in some countries than others. No, let's just all pretend that gamers over the globe are identical. This seems to be what many in the media do, they can't distinguish between shooters and games like Flower. Many in the western industry have a hugely arrogant western view that they are right and everyone else is to be looked down upon. Look at the recent grief that was handed out to JRPGs by Bioware.

Quite why Japanese developers are buying into this is beyond me. It should be absolutely clear to them that not only is the Japanese, or even the entire Asian, game market different from the Western market. It should be clear that gamers differ and gamers differ by culture, gender and age group.

I don't know what the answer is, although I do get the feeling that these Japanese developers need to wake the hell up and stop hating on themselves. Fine if they want to make western games, go for it. If they want to bring in some western expertise in particular aspects of their development, great. But don't sell short your own culture. Keep making the games that have made your companies who they are, just make them better.

One last thought.

Games such as Soul Calibur, Tekken, and JRPGs (eg Final Fantasy), would never have come from western developers in the form they have. Can you imagine a Soul Calibur style game made by Bungie? It would lose everything that made it Soul calibur, the same goes for others like Tekken, Final Fantasy and so on. We as gamers ow the Japanese gaming industry a huge debt of gratitude for some of the best game titles of all time. I just wish that they could see that too.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 11:40:27 AM

You've nailed it. They are good at making Japanese games, they have fans here and in Japan, their attempt to make western games(which they're not very good at) has failed with their Western fans and their Japanese fans it seems.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 5:11:13 PM

Amen Highlander!!!!!!!

And a MILLION Thumbs Up!!!!!

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A2K78
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 1:35:37 PM
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Somebody need to put the lid on both Keiji Inafune and Takeuchi because clear these guys are nothing but idiots. Then again when you think about it, all the bitching about japanese industry have mainly came from Capcom...must becasue the fact the company have been sinking financially for the past couple of years.

Also speaking of Capcom, here is hoping that Dorna do the right thing and end the business relationship with Capcom and pass the MotoGP lisence onto a developer more worthy of it: POLYPHONY DIGITAL.

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sonic1899
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 1:44:34 PM
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I surely hope this isn't going to convince other Japanese developers NOT to release their games to the US because they're not 'Western enough' D:<

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CrispyJawas
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 5:23:30 PM
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Its just my taste in games, but the more westernized the Japanese make their games the more I don't like them and will not purchase them.
I liked it better years ago, when Japanese developers made awesome games like tail concerto,brave fencer musashi and steambot chronicles - games that anyone knew from only playing that they were created in Japan, but this was all before they become obsessed with getting a cut of the Western market.
In my mind I can't help but think this is the Mcdonaldlization of gaming.
I truly hope Japanese developers get a hold of the situation and go back to creating the best Japanese flavored games possible and just forget this nightmare of westernizing their games.

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Captain Cod
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 @ 8:40:28 PM
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The thing is, the way I see it: the reason Japanese developers are in a crisis isn't because Japanese games don't garner attention, but rather too many Japanese publishers and developers fear Japanese games won't garner attention. As a result, many have abadoned their tradition and killed off their own quality. Those staying with their routes simply aren't backed up enough to make a strong difference. Why? Probably because the Xbox 360 has a chunk of market, which unsurprisingly consists of mostly a Western audience. At this rate it'll be a vicous circle until for example: traditional JRPGs disintegrate into s**t. But a main factor is even within old Japanese games, or manga, or ANYTHING WHEN IT COMES TO A POPULARITY CONTEST, they always try and be Western. I'm not complaining but examples are: bleach blonde hair on characters? Really?? Old European names [or even just English words for characters?? Really?? I mean Ganguro...wait, wut? REALLY?! WHY?

Why do Japanese developers have to suck up all the time? I guess The Playstation wouldn't be here today without it's influences but on this occasion, I think it's better JDs try proudly forcing an influence theirselves. I say this because even though they may not know it [well, they probably do], they influenced the entire gaming spectrum in terms of games that engaged people to a completely different level.

There have never been games more engaging to me than Japanese games. Must be from their culture. They seem to pick up Western influences, and decorate it with their own artistic direction.

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Jotun
Thursday, May 20, 2010 @ 11:48:50 AM
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I think Nintendo's key developers responsible for games such as Mario Galaxy or Metriod Prime 3 would have a very large bone to pick with these idiots.

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THE NTMIDTR
Thursday, May 20, 2010 @ 11:05:22 PM

I HAD to reply before I read all posts... read mine. You are dead on.

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Ar_tonelico
Thursday, May 20, 2010 @ 3:40:04 PM
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To me its Japanese games > Western or Westernized games. Japanese games is what have me to play games. I just want Japanese games to stay the way they are and keep bringing out titles that interest me so I know i'll be able to purchase it and others who enjoy the same kind of games.

If you're making a game in Japan, don't make it look like something America would make and vice-versa. Don't target a game for a specific country that's not even your own. Like for instance there's still some Japanese game developers who still try to make any game they make as Japanese-ish as possible and I like that.

Not everyone wants to play a Western game or a game influenced by Western games just like there's people who won't play games made in Japan. Everyone has their own tastes in what they like to play(mine is JRPGS, Japanese Fighting games, or just anything Japan makes that I would like to play or better yet games that seem more anime-ish or at least a similar style).

I even go as far as to import games from Japan that seem most interesting to my tastes of games or even Japanese games that wouldn't come to America anyways(1 of my reasons why I love PS3 and PSP) and if the game comes stateside I buy the English version afterwards.

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THE NTMIDTR
Thursday, May 20, 2010 @ 11:02:43 PM
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I'm calling BS on this guy...

1st: Nintendo still based in Japan?

2nd: Perhaps Capcom doesn't understand that a lot of great games the "West" has come to love were MIJ.

3rd: 2 words... TEAM ICO

Maybe this moron doesn't know how he and his company will make the future games from Japan for any audience... but I seriously doubt the rest of the Japanese devs share his anxiety... is Kojima up at night worrying? Doesn't Street Fighter sell a ton of games?

RE5 was a flop compared to the brilliance of RE4... the customer is becoming more educated and discerning... games are not as cheap as they once were so shovelware BEWARE! He sounds as though he wants a "bailout" instead of buckling down and making a good game! If he doesn't have the desire or drive that Naughty Dog had for UC1&2 then he should be looking for a new career. Boo effin' hoo! Shut up and get to work... get an idea, hire the talent to bring it to life... problem solved. What a chump! Who put a microphone in his hand?

<steps down off of soapbox>
It needed to be said... I apologize If I offended anyone.

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