Red Dead Redemption: The $100 Million Western?
Well now, that's a hefty amount of cash. Usually, though, when we hear this estimate (which we heard concerning God of War III, and the truth was closer to maybe $25 million), it's way off, so take this with a grain of salt.
The information comes courtesy of a brief detail rundown at the UK publication, Daily Mail, which calls Rockstar's Red Dead Redemption "groundbreaking." They talk about the expansive world, its obvious relationship to Grand Theft Auto, the player freedom to kill an outlaw or take him alive, the resulting affect your actions has on the populace, the immense attention to detail, the fantastic voice acting, the lengthy single-player campaign (estimated at 30 hours, but if you want to do everything, a lot more), the fitting music, and yes, the $100 million estimate. They also cite the New York Times review that includes a rather bold statement:
"Though it draws on the countless classic cinema westerns of the past, Red Dead Redemption does something that none of them could ever dream of. It makes you the hero of an amazing historical adventure that you yourself have a hand in creating. And how many of us thought that that particular dream might ever come true?"
Well, it may be a bold statement but after playing for some time, I can tell you...it's pretty darn accurate. You can expect to see our review towards the end of the day today and although I won't be handing out any hints, I would strongly suggest that you put RDR on the top of your priority list. Just about everything you've heard is warranted and once again, we should all probably bear in mind that the game is being reviewed by someone who typically despises Westerns...and yet, I don't want to play much else all of a sudden. ...weird.
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5/19/2010 10:45:39 AM Ben Dutka
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Qubex
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 11:11:19 AM
WolfCrimson
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 11:14:36 AM
godsman
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 11:21:38 AM
Before we can just go to Walmart and pick up any game, try it, if we don't like it, who cares. Now games cost $60, we have to make sure that money is well spent, most likely on AAA games. The developers with games scored in the 80's are feeling the pressure, due to lessened sales. This generation is probably the transition phase, but next gen, we'll probably see more smaller developers merging, bought out by bigger ones.
Jawknee
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 11:28:39 AM
No wonder we didn't see any PS3 footage. I guess our "gamer paranoia" wasn't just paranoia after all huh godsman?
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ace_boon_coon
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 12:13:42 PM
Jawknee
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 12:15:49 PM
ace_boon_coon
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 12:26:40 PM
godsman
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 12:36:18 PM
Shams
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 2:28:44 PM
FlyingKickPunch
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 4:52:16 PM
godsman
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 11:11:57 AM
Qubex
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 11:12:30 AM
Jawknee
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 11:17:06 AM
Lol i know its not that big a deal, i'm just getting tired of this. The Sony owners routinely get screwed this gen and its unacceptable. What the hell happened to the industry? its like MS put a spell on these developers.
Oxvial
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 11:17:10 AM
Jawknee
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 11:21:44 AM
I did read that Xbox versions is also suffering from the same bugs and glitches GTA IV did. Lots of pop in and some freezing issues. I thought R* was supposed t be this big AAA developer? What gives?
godsman
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 11:23:18 AM
Microsoft casted their $pell on almost all developers.
I would think Rockstar would have two simultaneous teams developing from ground up for all their games. It's sad to say but 4 years into PS3 life cycle, developers won't create a new engine for now.
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Highlander
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 11:36:31 AM
Both versions of the game are rendering to 640p, but the 360 has a built in scaler that can scale any resolution to 720p. The PS3's built in scaler can scale images as well, but the initial render must be to particular resolutions to make the scaling low cost.
But the thing is that on an HD screen both games will look more or less the same, the advantage that the 360 has is that it's probably using full screen anti-aliasing and scaling so the image will look a bit better than the PS3s which is more than likely not as well anti-aliased and scaled by the TV. But there won't be a lot in it.
To be honest though, if the PS3 is only rendering to 640p it's because the game was developed on the 360 and ported to the PS3 and Rockstar decided not to optimize their PS3 engine for a higher rendering resolution.
Jawknee
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 11:40:24 AM
Jawknee
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 11:49:27 AM
Highlander
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 11:53:16 AM
mike rlz
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 12:44:24 PM
Jawknee
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 1:02:06 PM
Highlander
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 1:19:31 PM
mike rlz
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 2:18:14 PM
Deleted User
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 4:06:01 PM
This just sealed the deal.
I'm not at all surprised by this news though. Developing on the 360 is the standard this generation unfortunately for people who only own a PS3 and have to put up with sub standard ports.
dachemists
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 11:12:30 AM
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Jawknee
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 11:18:55 AM
Highlander
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 11:32:32 AM
Qubex
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 12:44:35 PM
Highlander
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 12:52:09 PM
StangMan80
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 5:59:47 PM
Jawknee
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 6:05:39 PM
Jawknee
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 11:47:48 AM
Oxvial
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 12:24:28 PM
maxpontiac
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 12:13:05 PM
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For 100 million and 5 years in the making, the online servers should be near problem free.
Yes, my internet is weak (comparitively speaking), but when it's a Sony published game, I have no problems connecting at all.
The game is good, but not GOTY caliber in my book.
FlyingKickPunch
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 5:04:59 PM
maxpontiac
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 6:26:07 PM
Jawknee
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 1:51:45 PM
Hezzron
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 1:56:05 PM
Jawknee
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 1:58:23 PM
FM23
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 1:41:01 PM
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Please stop listening to Jawknee. Jawknee, come on man, you are taking everything a little to serious. I bought and played RDR yesterday and the graphics look better than anything I have played recently and that includes GOWIII. GOWIII has more polish, but RDR has the detail and that is what makes it looks outstanding. And what if it does look better on the 360, who cares...seriously get over it. I hope I am not coming ofg as rude because I do not mean too, but this multiplat complaint crap needs to end. For anyone and everyone who has not purchased the game, trust me, the PS3 version looks very very good and even my brother 9who doesn't even play games) noticed it. And besides from the graphics, this is just one hell of a game that I don't regret paying full price for. The game is amazing and everyone complaining about graphic differences either need to grow up or get a life. Again not trying to be rude, but trying to put everything into perspective. Even if this game had 'decent' graphics (which is does not), its still has more value then any recent PS3 exclusive and I am just being honest and on top of this they are offering so much free content.
Jawknee
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 1:50:59 PM
Oxvial
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 2:19:04 PM
now is we aren't talking about graphs , Yakuza 3 its a much better game than RDR, but of course being one niche game people are going to say I'm talking bs.
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HeXeN
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 2:26:29 PM
HeXeN
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 3:22:16 PM
BikerSaint
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 4:15:14 PM
In your post, you say that you don't mean to be rude twice....but yet you still were.
OK, I'll play nice just this once so I can see if I can break this whole scenario down so you'll understand it better...
It all boils down to "a matter of principles" here!
Let's say you and your buddy (insert name here) both order the very same sandwich from Mabel's Deli.
So now, you both have a reasonable expectation that both will look have the same ingredients in them.
But, when you open yours, it's empty & missing the 1/2 the meats, cheeses, and ALL the condiments.
Sooooo, would you be the wuss that just went ahead and ate his two slices of plain bread, stewing away in his very own pitiful silence???
Or would you have the stones to speak out for yourself...and for what you rightfully paid for....& for what you rightfully deserved??????
Look here, when we bought our PS3's, we bought into the fact that we were paying for & receiving, a much higher quality console, in order to play much higher quality games during it's lifetime.
But now we're actually finding out, that time after time(except for the few visionary developer's who want their games the very best they can be, Heavy Rain, MGS4, ETC), that most of our gaming enjoyment is being seriously gimped by either, some plain ole lazy developer, or a developer who sold his f*cking soul to the devil themselves over at MS for their 360......
the console of lesser disc-abilities".
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maxpontiac
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 6:24:25 PM
maxpontiac
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 8:12:10 PM
I also understand the HUGE disservice Rockstar did to themselves and their PS3 customers.
Maximize the PS3 first.. 3 DVD's second.
Oh, and BTW, you will enjoy RDR. Trust me!!
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Superman915
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 2:16:01 PM
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Jawknee
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 2:26:14 PM
Red Dead is a 9gb Sandbox game optimized for the 360. He doesn't know what hes talking about.
Once again, we got just another Xbox game.
I also don't think its too much to ask R* or any other dev to give us the exact same quality given we have to pay the same price. 720p to 640p is a 20% difference in resolution. Once again PS3 owners are getting screwed. That's why we didn't see any PS3 footage and that's why we are getting the extra content. To make up for the PS3 versions short comings. I'd rather have the full HD for the price we a re paying. I will never buy another R* game again.
mike rlz
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 4:51:38 PM
FlyingKickPunch
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 5:05:52 PM
Jawknee
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 2:34:41 PM
ColTater
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 2:37:14 PM
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Highlander
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 3:21:51 PM
Sandbox games can get away with using a lot of procedural rendering where basic textures are used and objects are constructed according to pre-determined rules. This way you don't have to store the models for every object in the game on the game disc, you can generate simpler objects in real time when required on screen. The technique leads to objects with more geometric lines and simpler textures, but at a huge saving in terms of the data required.
The sandbox games get away with it because unlike GOWIII you are not expecting to see exquisitely rendered backgrounds and monsters. With the power of PS3 and the 360 procedural rendering can produce quite acceptable results.
Deleted User
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 4:19:55 PM
I know this will offend almost everyone on this site but the numbers developers come out with is to sell the console.
Insomniac said Resistance Fall Of Man used 22GB of data. On this logic it would be impossible to replicate that game on an xbox 360, surely everyone will agree that is total BS.
Rockstar repeatedly prove me right my making enormous and beautiful games on 1/5 the size of bluray.
Jawknee
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 4:31:44 PM
sawao_yamanaka
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 4:39:42 PM
StangMan80
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 6:07:10 PM
Jawknee
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 6:29:00 PM
SayWord
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 2:49:49 PM
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tes37
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 4:22:39 PM
Luiscosmo2
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 4:13:50 PM
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sawao_yamanaka
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 4:27:17 PM
StangMan80
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 6:01:08 PM
Geobaldi
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 4:47:47 PM
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FlyingKickPunch
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 5:09:17 PM
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sha4dowknight05
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 6:17:37 PM
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Ars Technica said that the XBOX 360 version has a slight graphical advantage in it? I really can't believe this since, they really didn't have proof of any real graphical advantage. They said they were switching back and forth trying to compare the 2 consoles. There really isn't proof as really this review seemed very biased as they stated that they have 16 people playing one the 360 and 3 people playing on the PS3, that tells me this probably isn't a real comparison. The only true way you are really going to determine if a console has better graphics on the other is:
- same tv
- same HDMI cable
- Same tv settings
- Same console display settings
- same gameplay time
- playing both games at once
- same person playing for the same set of time
- same gameplay video setting on default or custom
- real life comparison can't watch a video on the web.
- same lighting in rooms
- Switching the tv back and forth doesn't count as you are loosing view time on both systems.
I really don't like people saying the xbox 360 has better graphics because there really no proof unless you see it in real life both compared side by side with legit people both not biased. You can't just listen to an expert go on about it sounding real smart about it saying the 360 has a slight shaper picture. To me the criteria above is really the only way to compare video games on graphical dominance. Though I don't really mind that the 360 has a slight advantage, as long as it is exclusive to ps3 that's fine, But just wanted to get a point out. Really this is my opinion on this as I really don't care about multiple claims saying it is better on 360 or not, because really worrying about little things like this is pathetic. Just wanted to get this point out that's all.
Here's their story:
Our review copies of Red Dead Redemption have arrived, which means it's time to get to work on some coverage. Rockstar sent both a PS3 and a 360 version of the game, and many people are wondering which version to get, so we thought we'd do a quick comparison.
This is non-scientific, but after playing an hour of both games, and switching back and forth between the two systems on our display, it's clear that the 360 version has quite the graphical advantage. It's sharper, with much less aliasing. The faces of the characters were clearer in the opening section. Gameplay sections likewise looked better, with smoother graphics across the board. The PlayStation 3 version looked impressive, but there was a noticeable jump in quality while playing on the 360.
Keep in mind that the game doesn't look bad on the PS3—not by any stretch—but based on our time with the game and direct comparisons, the 360 version looks better. If you purchase the PS3 version of the game you're not going to be let down, but if you have the choice, pick up a copy for the 360.
Here's another reason to buy the game for the Xbox 360: if you dislike playing with strangers, there are 16 Ars Technica members in the game's thread playing online with the 360 version, compared to three on the PS3. If you're going to be playing, sign up!
Why did we decide to write this post for this particular game? It's rare we get sent both copies of a game, and there has been some discussion about which one to get. Let us know if this is something you're interested in seeing in the future, and we'll try to provide more of it when we can.
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Jawknee
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 6:27:20 PM
Trust me, there is proof. Just search around a bit more. You will find it.
Now, the game will still be fun and I'm 99% sure I'll enjoy it, but as Bikersaint pointed out, its a matter of principle. We are not getting the same value for the money and this practice of screwing PS3 owners over for what ever reason needs to stop.
Oxvial
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 6:42:35 PM
after the FFXIII,Splinter Cell and Alan Wake sub-hd fiasco now finally they have something in RDR to feel proud. even if THE PS3 port is way better than the 360 FFXIII port.
sha4dowknight05
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 6:45:44 PM
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Jawknee
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 6:55:38 PM
WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 7:32:42 PM
johnld
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 9:29:16 PM
WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 7:32:55 PM
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sawao_yamanaka
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 9:20:51 PM
Mamills
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 9:20:42 PM
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but the multiplayer, im not a fan of. i find myself just sticking to free roam and doing the same gang hideouts over and over with my buddies.
i know there are challenges to b completed in the journal but as i do them i somehow have no feeling of accomplishment. (again i cant explain it)
also i was hoping there would be more interesting missions to do online with your posse. (like robbing a train, or escorting a train or carraige, races, some forme of a horde/survival mode), i know they have the police hunting you down when you're wanted but its not hard whatsoever and most of the time i just sit in a spot and just keep shooting them, there is an achievement to survive for 10 mins but its soo easy i find myself just getting bored and waiting.)
the competitive modes suck with this type of game to me. (and i have no idea why, maybe i just find it boring compared to uncharted 2 online.) maybe its the euphoria engine, i love it and what they are going for and it has improved over GTA4 but its like a really sluggish control system to me.
the weapon selection wheel im also not a fan of (especially in the competitive modes. sometimes you are looking for the right gun for the job and u have to sift through you inventory in the middle of a match to pick it eg. switching from a lever action rifle to a revolver on the fly is just not intuitive especially in a faster paced competitive mode)
also not a fan of the party system. it is horrible if im in a good multiplayer game online and my friends want to join they have to msg me to send them and invite otherwise i have to leave and join them. (which sux, the ability for others to just join your game should be in there, especially in a free roam game like this)
and on top of it all there are soo many damn Bugs.
-players horses disappearing
-NPC Marshalls dissappearing as they shoot me
-sometimes my friends will join me online but they are no where on my map or on my screen but we can hear each other
-my buddy leveled up to lvl 14 then the game froze and when he got it working again his online level an stats were rest to 0
-the game crashed and booted me back to XMB when my horse got hit by a train. (singleplayer)
the list goes on.
dont get me wrong, the game is phenomenal the single player is soo damn entertaining and the scenery is soo beautiful and well done, but the multiplayer i think needs a lot more work.
sawao_yamanaka
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 9:24:02 PM
Mamills
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 9:30:19 PM
sawao_yamanaka
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 9:37:17 PM
MyWorstNightmar
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 9:38:30 PM
Jawknee
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 9:42:40 PM
FM23
Thursday, May 20, 2010 @ 2:18:32 AM
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Seriously...Trolling...how am I trolling unless you consider people stating an honest subjective opinion as trolling. Of course GOWIII looks better than RDR, but when it comes to my taste, I prefer RDR in the graphics department because it just feels more realistic. I was not trying to troll or disrespect anybody, but I see you take comments too seriously man...seriously don't voice your opinion if you are just going to act immature. Bet if you met me in person, you wouldn't say that mess so freely and that is not a threat...I am just stating what I feel is a fact. Its easy to insult, accuse, etc. behind closed doors. All I am saying is either you can be more respectful/thoughtful or just keep unneeded negative comments to yourself.
Jawknee
Thursday, May 20, 2010 @ 12:05:27 PM
The X Factor 9
Thursday, May 20, 2010 @ 2:54:25 AM
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I'm not going to pay Xbox Live. I buy single player multiplat games like Fallout 3 and GTA4 for the 360. I thought GTA4 online was garbage. I'm going into this thinking that RDR will be similar. But maybe I'm wrong.
At least if I get the PS3 version, I can play online. Would love some feedback.
Jawknee
Thursday, May 20, 2010 @ 3:00:26 AM
ro kurorai
Thursday, May 20, 2010 @ 7:27:25 AM
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In hindsight it makes totally sense why the review embargo was lifted 1 friggin' day prior to release, kinda late for US-pre-orders to be canceled ^^.
Beamboom
Thursday, May 20, 2010 @ 8:12:25 AM
Remember this: Much of the worlds best music are created using "technical inferior specifications". And most of the world's TRASH are created using the latest technology.
So I am *very* happy to see that Rockstar got their priorities straight. It's content that counts. It would be tragic if they had spent their time and money making a HD version for the PS3 instead. (yay me - I managed to squeeze a pro multi-platform plug into this too! Damn I'm good ;))
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ro kurorai
Thursday, May 20, 2010 @ 9:20:50 AM
It's just sad and adds new fuel to all those retard-xbots on EG once Mr. Leadbutter publishes his DF face-off. Leadbutter will use that chance to trash our beloved PS3 once again, and so will 90% of the comments -_-.
I really don't care about that stuff as it's hardly game-braking, but it is sad, nevertheless.
Sorry if you perceived my comment improperly. I'm not a pixel counter, nor am I a brand warrior. Just a German dude who enjoys excellent games ;)
ro kurorai
Thursday, May 20, 2010 @ 9:56:47 AM
I'm playing on my PC screen (24" wide-screen, WUXGA resolution) @ 1080p (DVI to HDMI cable). Therefore I can't really complain as the image is always pristine (only Yakuza 3 looks kinda washed out).
So don't worry, I am not complaining and I apologize should my original comment imply otherwise.
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Friday, May 21, 2010 @ 9:56:54 AM
FM23
Thursday, May 20, 2010 @ 1:16:18 PM
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Yeah I should of stated it was an opinion, but I even stated in my comment that I wasn't trying to be rude so that should have been enough to erase any blatant rudness in my comment. And seriously no one is threatening you, I am not that type of person, but if someone tries to call me something I not, I will take offense and react. Anyway, yes you were stating facts, but it seemed like you were trying to tell people not to buy a 'good' game because of the graphic differences. We just had a misunderstaing so lets leave it at that and don't try to get smart 'champ'...don't try to degrade me because again thats uncalled for. My first comment may have been introduced incorrectly and seemed like I was attacking you or anyone who had a problem with RDR graphics (which I was not, I was stating my honest opinion), but you are trying to attack me directly which is donwright ridiculous. Also I didn't 'beg' anyone, I told them to stop listening to your negative comments, begging is when you repeatedly say the same thing over and over just to get something your way. I did not such thing, thus don't descride my act as such. Your trying to flip this argument and make me seem negative which I am not. Your trying to use subtle words that downplay my comments and make me seem like the bad guy...seriously don't do that, that is something children do. I am a very reasonable person and I do not need someone trying to belittle, especially over the internet. My man, you left alot of comments commenting on how you are dissappointed with the Sub-HD...that was enough for me to take notice and feel that people should here another opinion that not only stated facts, but one that expresses an honest opinon about RDR graphics on the PS3 and its value compared to other recent PS3 exclusives (GOWIII and Heavy Rain). All I was tring to do was let people know, RDR looks good...who cars. Jawknee, I really don't care to press the issue because there is no issue. I am not trying to attack you, I was only stating my opinon earlier and in no way, shape or form did I mean to insult you and if you took it that way, thats you. This is not an apology, but a way for me to bring reasoning and sense to this misunderstanding. And realy if people thumb me down for this like my last comment, man you must not respect common sense and/or reason. Even Ben said there is nothing wrong with the graphics.

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Highlander
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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 @ 11:05:25 AM
<speechless>
They'll have to sell more than a few million to just break even on that.