Rockstar: Our Games Are For Adults Because We're Adults

As you may have already noticed, there are instances of pretty controversial situations in Rockstar's latest epic title, Red Dead Redemption. It's hardly surprising, as the game is essentially Grand Theft Auto in the Old West.

Hence, it's bound to raise the ire of many an anti-game activist and/or concerned parent. But this time, before the sh** hits the fan (which may be inevitable, after the reports of killing children and nuns go mainstream), Rockstar has decided to be proactive in their explanations. As most all gamers know, the ESRB places these things called "ratings" on video games - much the same way the MPAA does for movies - and yes, there are indeed plenty of games that aren't made for kids. This isn't 1984. And if you're a responsible parent, chances are, you aren't going to be buying RDR or GTAIV for your 9-year-old; if you do, even Rockstar condemns you. The developer's Lazlow Jones had this to say in a recent interview with the BBC:

"Our games are not designed for young people. If you’re a parent and buy one of our games for your child you’re a terrible parent. We design games for adults because we’re adults. There’s a lot of kids games out there that we’re not interested in playing. Just like you enjoy watching movies and TV shows with adult themes and language and violence that’s the kind of thing we seek to produce."

You know, it's just downright ridiculous that Rockstar should even have to make this statement. The ESRB has done everything they can for quite a long time to educate parents and other consumers, and if such parties wish to remain ignorant and still believe that all games feature nothing more than interactive cartoons, game designers can't be held responsible. No, don't go buy Red Dead Redemption for the kid in 4th grade. While we're talking about it, don't rent Saw for him, either...and don't let him drink the stuff under the sink. Need any other helpful albeit absurdly obvious advice?

5/23/2010 9:24:53 PM Ben Dutka

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SmokeyPSD
Sunday, May 23, 2010 @ 9:57:09 PM
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argh... I reject the notion of grand the auto in the wild west... red dead actually has a soul.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, May 23, 2010 @ 10:03:47 PM

Dude, the gameplay is EXACTLY the same.

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SmokeyPSD
Sunday, May 23, 2010 @ 10:13:40 PM

dude, it isn't. why else can I absolutely hate GTA IV but love Red Dead.

There is so much more to do in Red Dead, so much more attention to detail, so much love for the spaghetti western, they don't compare.

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Juanalf
Sunday, May 23, 2010 @ 10:40:22 PM

Well the game did come out almost three years after GTA IV so I would certainly hope that it surpass it in every level.Also, without GTA there would be no such thing as RDR.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, May 23, 2010 @ 11:09:33 PM

nope, it's the same right down to the buttons, the GPS, the level of interaction, and the way the missions are set up.

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bigrailer19
Sunday, May 23, 2010 @ 11:17:20 PM

Im with you smokey.

RDR isnt a GTA clone. Its far from it. I cant compare the two. Im in the same position as you except i had fun with GTA4, it just didnt have any substance. RDR has tons of it for me to grasp on to.

So the missions might be set up kind of similiar, and the gps works the same. Well that could be said about a lot of sand box games. If R* didnt develop this game i dont think it would get the comparison.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 12:20:34 AM

No, World is right. There's absolutely no reason to hate one and like the other, besides personal preference and setting. That's it. The mechanics are basically the same, the structure is the same, and there is NOT more attention to detail or more to do. That's all in your head if you think that.

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godsman
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 12:38:36 AM

One thing I don't like about the multiplayers for GTA4 and RDR is that both have clumsy controls for the fast paced online actions. It is almost impossible to switch weapons in RDR without getting killed. I played RDR after Uncharted 2. I didn't realized I was taking the smooth controls of Uncharted for granted. RDR online is just making my fingers tying in knots trying to jump/climb, take cover, or switching weapons. The game was so fun single player, but I can't see any improvements in multiplayer since GTA4.

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SmokeyPSD
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 1:00:34 AM

It's like saying the gameplay is the same for Halo and Killzone. No, just no. Just putting the differences down to setting and personal preference? shortchanging it much?

Even just herding cattle, is just 1 example of something which is just on a complete level of immersion removed from GTA.

Edit/ I'll rephrase, I'm more like bigrailer, I just found no substance to GTA, no "soul" again. Red Dead Redemption actually has that. Perhaps to truely get the most out of it you need to love spaghetti westerns like me, not many seem to realise it was made to emulate them.

Last edited by SmokeyPSD on 5/24/2010 1:04:27 AM

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 1:26:25 AM

I can see the Spaghetti Westerns in it easily, but you kind of proved my point old smokey, you like it more because the setting and tone are something you already enjoyed a lot beforehand. Other than that the games are like fraternal twins.

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SmokeyPSD
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 3:35:57 AM

I haven't proved any point whatsoever of yours. fact is Redemption has depth. GTA doesn't. In story and in the amount of gameplay on offer. I'm not the only one thinking it, so please don't twist my opinions.

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TEG3SH
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 6:05:17 AM

@Smokey

Yep Halo and Killzone are the same game and COD1 and COD2 and even doom, the setting and story that differs, so I'm with World in that one .sorry

I hated GTA IV and I'll pass on RDR, Yep I'm this cool

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bigrailer19
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 9:37:50 AM

haha Teg3sh...

Sure RDR and GTA have similiarites in the way they were developed, were talking about the same developer, they stick to what they know, and what works...

But, GTA had no immersion into it, none what so ever for me. RDR does. And it has a lot of it. The hud may look the same, but what sand box game doesnt have a radar, and a map marker system. There was mjch more thought put into RDR and it has some RPG elements, unlike GTA which was bland from the guns to the so called story. I had fun with GTA but thats it, i absolutely adore RDR though. Two completely different games in my eyes. Again if RDR was developed by someone else it wouldnt be as easily compared to GTA.

But again this is just how I feel. If you guys wanna compare it to GTA thats fine. But personally I dont think it needs to be compared to it to get people to like it! The game can speak volumes about its self the moment you pop it in!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 10:27:18 AM

Smokey, you're not right on this. You're really not. Because you herd cattle it's different? You're missing the point; we're talking about BASIC mechanics and functions. In this respect, it controls very much the same way. It's a third person shooter that offers cover; you can jump, auto-aim, etc. The Dead Eye doesn't change the basic mechanic function.

Furthermore, this "no depth" statement is just plain wrong. What can you do in RDR you couldn't do in GTAIV? And don't be all surface and cosmetic like with the herding example... You can accept secondary jobs, earn money, purchase property, utilize different modes of travel, follow a storyline, participate in optional missions outside the storyline, purchase items and equipment, etc, etc, etc.

I have yet to find an actual gameplay mechanic in RDR that was not in GTAIV. You can dislike GTAIV all you want; STOP trying to tell people it sucks just because you couldn't find a way to enjoy it. This is ALL personal preference in this argument; you're going to have to accept that.

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Mavfan321
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 11:10:25 AM

I think there is more than enough of a distinction in RDR and GTA to say that while a lot of it's the same what's different makes each game have it's own identity. For instance can you hogtie bounties or hunt in GTA 4? Could you save a man from being hung?

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Silent_J
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 3:06:14 PM

This game has all the mechanics of GTAIV ,as world said from GPS,to missions,almost everything .But it still has its own unique feeling and sense of immersion.For me its the story and setting which I like very much, makes me forget that it has GTA roots.

Last edited by Silent_J on 5/24/2010 3:08:59 PM

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TEG3SH
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 3:47:02 PM

@ bigrailer19

believe me I'm not hating on GTA, after Vice city which is one of my fav game of all time it kindda lost its charms, thats being said I can relate to what ur saying. I loved the first Halo but by the third one I was Kinda feed up with it, the same with GTA or RDR. thats all.

GOW3 got less than a perfect score due to this concept followed by most critics, yes it's great and yes it's awesome but it was the same as 2 & 1 . Thats all I'm saying not hating on anybody or there style of gaming. ;)

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bigrailer19
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 6:43:53 PM

teg3sh, yeah me either. I can see why people compare it to GTA, but to me its not comparable to GTA. what it does great and way better than GTA rminds me of that constantly.

Bens defense is all the mechanics are the same, the missions are displayed the same as your do them, the radar is the same, ok so be it. Those elements relate to a ton of sandbox games out there! And its ok to compare games its what relates other games to people.

All im saying is RDR is in its own right able to stand on its own two legs without GTA being compared to it. I liked GTA but not as a story driven game, just as a fun game to play. As I said in another post I could bet 60% of the people who bought and played GTA didnt finish it because, they had more fun just driving the cars, and pickin up hookers, and shootin people in the heads. Well with that said, Riding a horse is awesome but you wouldnt think as much fun as a car you can't jump it ;), but R* pulled it off. Then hookers well, Marstin is married so, that displays great amounts of detail on R* part to relate that, i mean he could be unfaithful. and as you can shoot people in the heads there is a much more at risk in RDR. outside of town you can get away with it, but lose fame and honor, inside town yeah the cops come which makes a fun time, but you still lose fame and honor. There is a bigger sacrifice. and these are just 3 examples but big ones in relation to the story and how you play the game. Something GTA didnt have. It really shows how great a game is when R* can make a western more fun that the often seen city setting, let alone make riding a horse as much fun as driving a car.

Bottom line from here on out, even though GTA is the predecessor, RDR has made the standard. As I said RDR can stand on its own two feet, and it proved that to me as soon as I put it in!

Last edited by bigrailer19 on 5/24/2010 6:48:15 PM

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SmokeyPSD
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 6:54:17 PM

You can talk to me about all the gameplay mechanics that are in RDR from Gta iv until the cows come home (fitting no?) but ur missing the point. The level of presentation, immersion like others and me are talking about sets it apart, a game is more than the some of it's parts, simply pointing to basic gameplay mechanics and saying LOOK SAME, that's quite a simplistic approach. Are you saying just because you can hunt pigeons in GTA that you can hunt in IV too? That's just LUDICROUS.

I'm not blind, I can see the GTA in it, it is afterall done by the same people. however this time they have actually come of age, and the violent content matches the maturity of the story. The mechanics are however just that, mechanics, I can see a lot in it that is unique to Red Dead, you guys obviously can't and just feel it's GTA on horses, but don't just tell me I'm wrong as my thoughts are my own AND others.

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TEG3SH
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 7:23:23 PM

@bigrailer19

I really know what ur sayin, but as I never played RDR, just playn GTA IV. it could be better it could be the best game ever, I'm certainly not judging that, all I'm sayn I really got kinda bored of GTA IV so thats why I'm passing on RDR.

P.S. I'm one of those guys who just ran over pedestrians and hocked up with hockers so I'm kinda lame. Still kinda kewl though .lol

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JcBball717
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 9:25:58 PM

Smokey you've gotta be kidding me, you use the herding cattle example to say their not alike? the only reason its different is because gta isnt a western game...its essentially the same game but in western times, so there are differnet types of missions. whatcha smokin smokey

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, May 23, 2010 @ 10:03:02 PM
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"Children under four shouldn't smoke."

Good response from Rockstar. How would the masses like it if we insisted there be no violence in their movies because we assume all movies must be made so that children can watch them?

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Nynja
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 7:58:01 AM

That's it. I can't take it anymore.

WorldEndsWithMe for President.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 3:24:51 PM

I'd be happy to accept the nomination :)

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hellish_devil
Sunday, May 23, 2010 @ 10:07:05 PM
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You now, I used to play games like wolfenstein, doom, mortal kombat and duken nukem when I was 5-6 years old, and they didn't affect me in any ways. I also used to play san andreas and vice city at the age of 12-13.

So it really depends on the kind of child that plays these "mature" games. Of course, I had a brother that used to tell me that it was a game and not real life, and that really worked.

Last edited by hellish_devil on 5/23/2010 10:10:01 PM

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, May 23, 2010 @ 10:16:09 PM

While I was older when the gory games really began to come out I was still a teen and I played em all, plus I watched the goriest movies of all time as a little tike and I haven't killed a real person yet.

Well, except LimitedVertigo, I killed him and that's why he hasn't been on :)

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photo K
Sunday, May 23, 2010 @ 10:51:28 PM

Same with me, it depends on the child. I honestly believe that exposure to some gore is necessary for a child to become mature, hopefully they understand its just a game.

But videogames should be treated just like movies. Rate them and parents and distributors (sellers) of the product are responsible for selling and buying. If they ban violent video games they had better ban violent movies to be consistent.

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sawao_yamanaka
Sunday, May 23, 2010 @ 11:01:34 PM

Hmm I was wondering about his disappearance.

R.I.P.
LimitedVertigo
?-2010

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tes37
Sunday, May 23, 2010 @ 11:50:25 PM

World you could of left off the part where you said "yet".

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 12:18:23 AM

You never know TES, I like to cover my bases ;)

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tes37
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 12:37:01 AM

LOL.

BTW. LV is alive and I hope well. I saw him logged on psn earlier.

Last edited by tes37 on 5/24/2010 12:39:04 AM

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 12:45:34 AM

You mean he escaped the sharks with lasers on their heads?

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sawao_yamanaka
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 12:57:15 AM

:P I was hoping that he would log on and say something. Oh well ill save my phoenix down joke for another day!

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spiderboi
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 2:50:48 AM

depends on the child. who are we to know what impact it can have on him/her? Granted, I played Wolfenstein as a kid and didn't bother me, but the photorealism these days makes me wonder if for kids nowadays is it still as easy to distinguish fantasy from reality?

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TEG3SH
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 3:51:55 PM

Where the hell is LV. I know most of the ppl in here think he is a jerk.lol but I really liked all of his comments ok ok most of his comment.
Cmon LV I can't be the bad guy on this site alone, Robbin position is wide open again, and yes I was batman.lol

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Lex Luthor
Sunday, May 30, 2010 @ 3:02:38 PM

@World:

Thank God, I was hoping someone do that to a huge prick like him....

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mike rlz
Sunday, May 23, 2010 @ 10:10:14 PM
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f'n thank you rockstar. shove it!

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MyWorstNightmar
Sunday, May 23, 2010 @ 10:16:10 PM
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This...is...equal...to...a...rated...R...movie...NO KIDS!!!

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fluffer nutter
Sunday, May 23, 2010 @ 10:30:57 PM
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I blame food stamps.

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MyWorstNightmar
Sunday, May 23, 2010 @ 11:03:56 PM

You know, there is some wisdom to be found in your post.

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Snaaaake
Sunday, May 23, 2010 @ 10:37:03 PM
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No matter what little children do, no matter where they learn it from, be it video games, movies, comics etc.

In the end, the ones at fault are the parents.

They should bear in mind the main objectives for making games are for money and entertainment.
Not once developers made games just so they can corrupt children's mind unless they're a bunch of Satanist.

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FullmetalX10
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 7:10:13 AM

Maybe that's microsoft's upcoming first party game: how to be a satanist (Rated E for Everyone)

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Scarecrow
Sunday, May 23, 2010 @ 10:54:24 PM
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Difference between Eastern and Western games?

Eastern games cater to everyone (all age groups can handle their games)

In the West it's always targeting strategy (Oh, only adults can handle GTA) <--- Bunch of Bullcrap

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sawao_yamanaka
Sunday, May 23, 2010 @ 11:03:34 PM

Well then parents always find an excuse to blame violence on gta. I know I bought my 2 yr old the game because I knew it was violent so when he grows up and beats me I can blame the game. Duh!

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CharlesD
Sunday, May 23, 2010 @ 11:23:27 PM
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I can't understand why parents freak out when they find out that that "harmless little game" they bought for their kid involved stealing cars and shooting people... when that game is Grand Theft Auto IV... even the title implies illicit activity. It'd be like bringing a kid to a movie named Assisted Suicide VII. Oh yeah, and that big M on the cover that says Mature 17+ there's a reason that's on more than one game, it's not a logo it's a rating, just like movies. I have no idea why this continues to be a problem when an age limit is clearly posted. I agree with Ben on this one, it's sad that R* even has to comment

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tes37
Sunday, May 23, 2010 @ 11:30:10 PM
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I had to play the PG version of it today, like horse-breaking, picking herbs, deer hunting, and horse racing, so my daughter could watch me play a little. Too bad it's a pain in the *ss to make games with content filters, I would set it and let her play.

A few times she had to leave the room when I got caught up in some situations she shouldn't see. She is all kinds of jealous because she can't play, but I explained that I was avoiding aspects of the game while she was present and made it appear as if the game were suitable. She doesn't live with me so I don't have to worry about her sneaking around to play it.

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sawao_yamanaka
Sunday, May 23, 2010 @ 11:32:08 PM

Good parenting though :)

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Hezzron
Sunday, May 23, 2010 @ 11:30:42 PM
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It's a shame R* feels the need to explain this kind of thing every time they put out one of their great games.

Could you imagine Jack Daniels doing the same for every new bottle of whiskey?

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Highlander
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 12:15:19 AM
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Maybe if enough developers and journalists say this often enough, it will finally penetrate the thick skulls of the mass market, mass media and politicians.

And then again, I just saw a few pigs practicing their barrel rolls and loops.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 12:19:34 AM
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You guys slay me, when I like a GOW clone I must be an idiot, but when you like a GTA clone it must be vastly different because you didn't like GTAIV. Besides, I'm loving RDR. A little backup here Ben?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 12:21:49 AM

Backup provided above. :)

But as for your GoWIII thing...I'm sorry, but that's just...bizarre.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 12:41:49 AM

haha, I guess it is :) To each their own.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 1:21:49 AM

For the record, were I a critic, GOWIII would still get the higher score.

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Dancemachine55
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 2:03:51 AM

You shouldn't have to change your opinion to please the masses World, you prefer Dante and think it's a better game, nothing wrong with that.

It's a bit like those who thought Saints Row 2 was the better crim sim over GTA IV. Sure, most will argue against you, but it's just personal preference.

If you think Dante deserves a 9 and Kratos an 8, that's your review and your opinion.

As for me, I agree with metacritic. :P

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 2:16:28 AM

It's true I liked it more, I'm not changing anything, what I'm saying is that if I were to remove my own feelings it is obvious where the higher technical score goes. I can't ignore facts in favor of personal taste when it comes to theoretical reviews.

Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 5/24/2010 2:19:01 AM

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TEG3SH
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 3:53:41 PM

World I agree 100 percent Bayonetta is better than DMC 4( I know u dont agree ) still

but Dante's Inferno was super awesome.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 12:43:12 AM
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Did anybody here play Revolver? I know it didn't get tons of great reviews but it was pretty solid imo.

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sawao_yamanaka
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 12:59:09 AM

Yea I did. I actually still have it. Sadly its not as great as I remember. Its still fun especially the weird midget level. Or where they clowns? Gotta play again.

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BikerSaint
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 12:57:40 AM
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World, I enjoyed RDR(but mine was on the original Xbox).

I also enjoyed the other Western called "Gun"(on my PS2).

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 1:22:33 AM

I've never played Gun, but I'm in a Western mood now that I've got RDR so ya never know.

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Nlayer
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 9:15:59 AM

GUN was really good. Probably outdated nowadays, but it had a lot of potential.

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CharlesD
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 1:15:27 AM
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I did, I actually liked revolver. It wasn't anything fantastic but it was certainly fun

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ChronowerX_GT
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 1:43:50 AM
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It's funny. I don't hear people kicking off as much about 18 rated movies. What's the difference between a game and a movie in that respect? You wouldn't buy Saw or a porno for your 10 year old kid (if you do shame on you), so why do they buy games like GTA for them, ONLY then to complain about the themes in it?

I also admit that I got Vice City when I was 13. I'm 18 now and looking back I think I was too young to play it. And especially San Andreas. I don't think it did me any harm since I was smart enough to know that it's a game and not real life. But it seems that some kids don't know that.

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spiderboi
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 3:23:00 AM

that's the "problem" these days. I put it in " " since this is how the industry (and console owners) want it--more realistic graphics and gameplay. When if borders on reality its hard for kids to distinguish the fine line. Now, granted RDR is about the Old West and I've no qualms since those years are over. But when I play GTA4 it sometimes bothers me coz its like real life, y'know? It can happen and it does happen (whatever you do in GTA4).

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Alienange
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 2:37:20 AM
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Gaming is in it's biggest season of change. Yes the ESRB has been around forever, but only now is the media catching on to what gaming really is. A few dinosaurs that don't think gaming is an art form will have to go before the transition is complete, but the change is definitely happening.

In the meantime, yeah, Rockstar has to let people know they're stupid if they buy adult games for children.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 3:03:15 AM
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Hey where the hell is Jawknee? Hey people I still haven't received any $20 credit or code or anything from Amazon for my RDR preorder, has anyone got theirs?

Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 5/24/2010 3:09:19 AM

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Nynja
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 8:00:20 AM

Those usually take a while to process. I remember I got one for pre-ordering Heavy Rain about 1 or 2 weeks afterwards.

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Hezzron
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 8:42:23 AM

I didn't get mine yet either.....and I only got my Golden Guns code 4 days after the game arrived. Is the email-man on strike or something?

Last edited by Hezzron on 5/24/2010 8:44:32 AM

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Alienange
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 9:16:14 AM

No email from Amazon here either. I tried going through the process of buying a game to see if it would show in my account by no cigar. Strange, they had promised you'd get it within two days of RDR shipping out.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 3:26:34 PM

I tried that too Alien, when I preordered Heavy Rain it was there like right away.

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stemon
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 3:13:41 AM
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Do we have a 12a rating in the games industry just wondering ... think is maybe teen but I aint sure.

anyway the games industry will always have stigma, remember when mass effect(1) came out ... the media when crazy about the so called sex scenes ..... there is a movie called antichrist with willem defoe the content in that movie is very controversial yet it is being hailed as daring provocative all other big words I cant be arsed to type. Wonder why the media aint up in arms about that....

If I had it my way games would and should be looked at, as a entertainment medium lets face facts the games industry is finally taking its rightful place in what we would call entertainment with millions of dollars invested into it... and as a ADULT I want my entertainment made for ADULTS. as Ben said if parents cant tell the differance between an 18 cert on a movie and a 18 cert on a game ... then something is definatley wrong in the world.

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Snaaaake
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 3:19:47 AM
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It all comes down to how the parents teach their children.

I taught my 10 year old cousin how to play GTA Vice City(Yea, I know I'm a bad influence).

And now he is still a good kid who doesn't get a bat or pipe and smash anything in his way.

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Zorigo
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 3:36:53 AM
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I remember a key anecdote...
i was round my mates house, and me and him were playing GTA (san andreas i think) and we let his lil brother have a go, and his mum flipped out. S'all right for me n my mate (we were about 13/14) but dont giv the lil ones ago.
The games are for adults, but if kids want them, they have to ave their parents permission.
You cant blame the games that kids are being influenced, when it clearly says 18.

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___________
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 3:38:00 AM
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sigh every time i see or hear this i just want to smash my head against the wall.
why is it that cartoons, books, movies can do what ever they please and no one says boo!
but than a game does something not even half as bad as some of the sh*t i have seen in movies and all hell breaks loose!
and dont give me that its because games are interactive crap!

as for the game so far its ok, kinda boring but ok.
im really missing the duels red dead revolver had, im preying there later in the game or something.
i miss being able to turn on dead eye, mark a few spots on some a$$ hole, hit a button and fill him up with more holes than Swiss cheese!!!

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izkjon
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 3:39:00 AM
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peopole should leave the game alone, and let us gamers enjoy them, cause we are the ones, who are buying the game and not then,
freedom for choice for the consumers, and if you old enough to buy it, no one has the right what to do with your money.

ROCKSTAR ROCKS..:}

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 4:24:50 AM
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I hope the co-op mission pack is free, but I doubt it will be.

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Alienange
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 9:18:31 AM

I read it was. Here's hoping they stick to their promises.

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bigrailer19
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 9:38:26 AM

It is free, and will be released in June!!!!

Last edited by bigrailer19 on 5/24/2010 9:38:42 AM

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 3:27:02 PM

Sweet, now I just need to fix my PS3's connection somehow.

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bigrailer19
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 6:44:10 PM

whats wrong with it world?

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Lotusflow3r
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 4:25:45 AM
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Chemicals under the sink, always made me laugh.

You put your alcohol or medical drugs in high places to avoid toddler interaction etc....but, the bleaches and harmful chemical substances that can burn your insides if drunk are right under the sink! lol

Anyway....

Games are bad...mmkay?

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Ergi
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 4:31:03 AM
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As said, it truly is a shame. Rockstar and other developers have to treat the masses as toddlers. "Look parents/Mr. Thompson (or any other anti-game activist), this is a game, it's for adults, see it says on the box 17+, so if your child isn't 17 then he shouldn't play it, ok".

I'm glad they are willing to do it though because it's the only way we're gonna achieve anything, ever.

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RebelJD
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 4:55:29 AM
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LOL, I enjoyed reading this article. It made perfect sense and only pointed out the obvious. That parents are becoming dumber generation after generation. As well as kids are becoming less obedient generation after generation.

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Cesar_ser_4
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 5:37:54 AM
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Man i coulda made a great job about a kid doing drugs and smoking and drinking and buying m rated games and all that but im scared that i might get thumbed down like i did by some crazy guy who labeled me as being a perv for saying that bungie knows all of the xbox threefitties dirty little secrets... but anyway so what are these ratings of which you speak for??? and how could i apply to my everyday living ummm something... and while were at it ehh nevermind... so much negativity towards my comments that i dont even want to comment anymore...

Last edited by Cesar_ser_4 on 5/24/2010 5:38:13 AM

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Alienange
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 11:48:15 AM

Are you kidding me? Talk about a cry baby...

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LightShow
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 8:57:29 AM
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what do you think of when i say "adult entertainment?"

thats right, porn. really, putting "adult" (or for that matter, "mature") in front of anything will cause everyone to think you have sexualized it. this is a gigantic red flag to any parent of a child under the age of 12 and many parents with teenagers.

its an emotional response. giant media backlashes arent from misinformed parents alone. its from a subconscious mental trigger equating "adult" or "mature" with "bad for my kid"

with that understood, if these parents were interested in their childrens hobbies, they'd get themselves informed, theyd read the box before they bought it for their kid, and all this stuff would be irrelevant. unfortunately, lots of parents dont want to bother, and usually dont care until they hear on the news that their kid is killing nuns.

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Highlander
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 10:12:43 AM

See, now right there is the problem. Society has morphed two words "adult" and "entertainment" into a term that doesn't mean entertainment meant for adults or grown ups, no "adult entertainment" has become synonymous with porn. Sad reflection on our standards today isn't it?

That said, "games for adults" doesn't quite sound as bad as "adult entertainment", although I suspect a better phrase might be "games for grown-ups", or alternately, "not for children", or even more precisely, "not for under 18s".

However, I suspect it won't matter. the M rating is already ignored by legions of parents who seem to believe that "M for Mature" simply means "M for Mommy doesn't want to hear it anymore". Of course no one wants games released with AO ratings, I mean who wants to buy games rated A$$holes Only?

Last edited by Highlander on 5/24/2010 10:13:56 AM

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sawao_yamanaka
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 10:57:42 AM

Lol I guess people who like A$$holes! The very dreaded ao raiting just pretty much removes mass market appeal.

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WolfCrimson
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 10:58:58 AM

lol

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Snaaaake
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 11:29:11 AM
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Who cares about the game haters anyway, as long as we play games without any problems and we buy the games, there's just now way the video game industry will fall.

Banning video games for good will definitely create some chaos on earth and so yea,.......IN THE END THERE WILL ONLY BE CHAOS!!

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Alienange
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 11:48:47 AM

Say no to haters? I'm on board for that!

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maxpontiac
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 11:31:47 AM
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I believe the simple fact that Rockstar said this comes from alot of parents not accepting responsibility and getting involved in their childs activities.

Even with this in mind, I still have to question the reason behind allowing players to kill children in game. It adds NOTHING to the game what-so-ever!

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BikerSaint
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 1:23:24 PM
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Like I've said on & on in other threads about this very subject, it all boils down to just 2 words....

"PARENTAL GUIDANCE"

Although, if you were to give a lot of those "so called" parents a dictionary opened to that very page, & even highlighted those 2 words for them, they'd still would need at least a few more clues...
plus Vanna White & a couple extra vowels thrown in just for good measure!!!!

Anyways, "KUDO"S to R* for having the stones to tell it like it really TIZ!!!!!!!!

Last edited by BikerSaint on 5/24/2010 1:24:58 PM

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tlpn99
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 1:50:06 PM
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I had Gun and Red Dead Redemption an both were good in the time but a bit dated now this one is the business.

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JPBooch
Monday, May 24, 2010 @ 2:30:14 PM
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I'm printing this article and giving it to a collegue of mine. I let her 12 year old son be on my friends list and the only thing the kid plays is GTAIV and now RDR.

His comment sometimes has profanity in it too. I have a 12 year old daughter and I won't let her within a mile radius of this kid.

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