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Sony Displays Gran Turismo 5 In 3D

Samsung has already released their 3D line of HDTVs and next up is Sony's Bravia series. To help push them, the electronics giant will certainly utilize the new 3D capability of the PlayStation 3 to get the message out.

According to 1Up, Sony decided to show off their fancy new 3D technology in Tokyo this weekend. And in addition to displaying "concerts and events featuring 3D footage being filmed live," they also provided attendees with a playable version of Gran Turismo 5 in 3D. Apparently, the game doesn't look any better (or worse) than when it wowed the crowds at TGS last year, but there was a bit of the standard 3D "pop-up" we've often seen in 3D presentations. Here's a portion of the analysis:

"Though 3D images can be hard to watch for a long period of time, GT5 was relatively easy to look at. This is thanks in large part to the game not using any strong depth of field effects. Often times the 3D image in a game or movie is broken when the viewer tries to examine an object that the camera is not focused on. The brain tries to process the object, but the eyes can't bring it into focus, creating an odd effect that causes headaches or nausea in some. All objects in GT5, regardless of location, are rendered without any post-processing blur, so no matter where we looked on the screen, we could focus easily."

This, plus the addition of the Recaro racing seat, should've provided them with one hell of a realistic driving experience. Furthermore, Sony was also showing off Wipeout HD, MotorStorm 2, and Killzone 2 in 3D; only the latter wasn't playable. We do know that games with 3D patches won't look as good as those designed specifically for the new dimension, though, so we'll be looking towards the future... Who plans to jump on board with this new technology in 2010?

Related Game(s): Gran Turismo 5

5/30/2010 9:17:26 PM John Shepard

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Comments (57 posts)

WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, May 30, 2010 @ 10:04:15 PM
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You won't see me jumping onboard that nutcase train, I'll keep my brain without the swiss cheese holes thank you.

I wonder if this was a 4D patch since they already told us in no uncertain terms that the copious and long delays in releasing GT5 was NOT due to making it 3D.

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SmokeyPSD
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 12:40:29 AM

I come at it from another perspective, this is an entire step of technology that I believe is useless. I enjoy my media without the need for glasses, I don't want to wear glasses which after awhile give discomfort. This tech is old, and it should've stayed where it was, in the gimmicks exhibitions in circuses.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 12:54:38 AM

heh, woops, meant 3D patch. You're right smokey, in a way it's really a step backward.

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Qubex
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 3:25:41 AM

I feel very much the same way. I am concerned about this 3D train World. I just don't think they should be investing so much time and effort in this way... I would have preferred this to be looked at maybe 5 years from now, with the next generation of hardware, which I think will give us similar detail and game depth as we saw in Avatar.

I think to do it on the cheap is a dangerous precedence... I for one will not go into this for many years, and I won't let corporates push this down my throat - as if I were an unsuspecting and rather sad looking ostrich turkey - No, I will stick to my 2D gaming for now...

Q!

"no.3D.hero.please"

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laxpro2001
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 7:03:15 AM

@Qubex I felt the same way you did especially when seeing the article about a year and a half ago about 3D gaming being possible... it seemed to early!

However I'm not ruling the technology out but I'm not going to get it until I have enough money and have gotten all the games that I have yet to pick up this generation

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Scarecrow
Sunday, May 30, 2010 @ 10:05:18 PM
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3D is a fad
Sony should have realized that we gamers care 'bout games

3D failed in the 80s, it fails now as well.
It's not something we want

The ONLY way I'd actually buy into the 3D BS is if there's no retarded glasses needed for it.

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Mavfan321
Sunday, May 30, 2010 @ 11:35:14 PM

Maybe I'm getting old but I could care less about 3D and motion controls. The latter I will be getting, with the optimism there will be some great things to sway me. However 20 years down the line if Street Fighter is still around the last thing I want to do is motion control a shoryuken.

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fluffer nutter
Sunday, May 30, 2010 @ 11:43:26 PM

You keep sniffing that glue from up on your soapbox while the rest of us enjoy 3D for what it is. What has 3D done to you to make you so angry?

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laxpro2001
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 2:33:59 AM

Well that glue comment is a little uncalled for...

@Scarecrow, I for one am excited about 3D. If done right I think it can greatly enhance how involved you become in a game and make you feel more immersed in the universe itself. Granted I'm definitely waiting for a little while to get a 3D enabled T.V. since I'm still in college and will have to start paying back loans soon.

Also we didn't want 3D in the 80's but thats 30 years ago. Look at how good Avatar did in theaters... I didn't see it but from what I heard the plot wasn't amazing, I think 3D really did have something to do with its acclaim (then again I would have to see it myself to develop my own verdict on the plot)

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Jawknee
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 11:04:31 AM

There's a difference, the 3D tech sucked in the 80s, not so much now.

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spiderboi
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 11:09:18 AM

May be so a fad, but let's wait and let the consumers decide. We all thought Wii was a fad, but it sold anyways. There are lots of rich-*ssed people out there that its even not the pleasure of gaming in 3D but the subconscious need to yell out "FIRST!"

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fluffer nutter
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 12:40:18 PM

Uncalled for? It was a joke. No offense should be taken. Just like 3D shouldn't be hurt by what he had to say.

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Mamills
Sunday, May 30, 2010 @ 10:05:51 PM
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lol, not for 2010, later on, much later on, when they have it working really well and when 3DTv's are actually a reasonable price. (Maybe 2012/1013, or maybe the next generation on consoles. all depends on the performance for me)

until then ill stick to HDTV. better framerates on HDTV from what i hear too and they also have to scale back the resolution of most titles so that they can run in 3D.

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Sithis
Sunday, May 30, 2010 @ 10:07:25 PM
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Not me, certainly not me. Next TV I'll be getting is a 60 inch Plasma.

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Reccaman18
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 12:08:41 AM

I'd stay away from Plasmas. They burn out faster than LCDS. Although, they do have a fantastic picture. I'd just go with an LED tv. For now at least.

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King James
Sunday, May 30, 2010 @ 10:21:17 PM
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I don't care about 3d. Just give me great games. I'm not gonna be purchasing a new 3d TV anytime soon. And even if a great game that was specifically designed to utilize the new 3d came out and everyone praised it for its accomplishments...I still won't buy one.

Plus, I wear eyeglasses sometimes so trying to put 3d glasses on top of your own glasses not only makes you look like an ass...it also ruins the 3d effect.

I hope Sony does this 3d thing right. The Move thing too. No shovelware. Just games that use these new tools effectively so I can have a more immersive experience.

And don't give me Killzone 2 with a 3d patch and call it Killzone 3. I love KZ2 too much to stomach a lackluster sequel.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, May 30, 2010 @ 10:31:25 PM

KZ3 is looking pretty good so far on its own merits.

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King James
Sunday, May 30, 2010 @ 10:35:02 PM

I know! F'n Snowghast!! I'm sold already.

But I just hope Guerilla doesn't do what Bungie did to Halo after Halo 2. All Halo 3 was, was Halo 2 wit a HD makeover. I'm hoping KZ3 isn't KZ2 wit a 3d makeover and more blood.

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Snaaaake
Sunday, May 30, 2010 @ 10:21:25 PM
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I wouldn't mind visual quality drop if it's for split screen but hell no for 3D.

3D doesn't affect any gameplay, only affect your experience.

Just like movies and what the heck, more and more movies are getting 3D nowadays.

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King James
Sunday, May 30, 2010 @ 10:31:36 PM
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I blame James Cameron and these Home TV companies trying to raise their bottom-line.

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Scarecrow
Sunday, May 30, 2010 @ 10:35:49 PM

They want to keep justifying the need to pay 2K+ for a damn TV

I won't buy into that BS

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King James
Sunday, May 30, 2010 @ 11:05:03 PM

lol exactly may point. I'm not buying a 3DTV. It just seems like an "over-inflated" figure:

Me: Yea, I looking for a HDTV.
Random Retail Store Salesperson: What kinda picture quality u looking for?
Me: The Best. I have a 1080p Sony Bravia Projection TV now. So I'm looking for another one to replace it. Maybe a thinner, lighter one. I watch Blu-rays. Play PS3. And watch sports in HD. What you got?
Salesperson: I got this $3k 3DTV! U can buy these $200 special 3D glass to go with them and watch...
Me: Whoa! Besides 3D, does this $3k TV do anything else that these other $1500 2dTVs - thats the same quality but half the price - can't do?
Salesperson: <sighs> No.
Me: Give me the 2D one.
Salesperson: Okay, sir. I'll go get the ladder and bring one down.

Sorry, I did all that to prove a point. This 3D thing adds lil' value to my visual experience. Why in the hell would I pay double or in some cases triple the amount for a figure that isn't worth that cost.

Give me a TV that syncs wirelessly to labtop and works as a monitor without the HDMI cord. And learns what channel I wanna watch via my past view history. And if the TV cooks breakfast, then I'll be ready to spend 2-3 grand on a TV again. The jump from SD to HD was worth. This jump from 2d to 3d...not so much.

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Reccaman18
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 12:11:57 AM

Sony has a set of tvs that come with a box that sits on the floor, while the tv itself is mounted to the wall. With the receiver you don't have to have any wires running to the tv.

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DemonNeno
Sunday, May 30, 2010 @ 10:45:09 PM
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Eh, I'll invest in Move before 3D. In my opinion, you're more likely stepping sideways with this technology rather than forward.

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Metal Head
Sunday, May 30, 2010 @ 10:46:37 PM
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I'm back to the gaming world and 3d gaming is not a priority too. Sony brought gaming to a new level can they do it again with 3d?. I already bought Heavy Rain and God of War 3. Both games are amazing and can't decide which is better?.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, May 30, 2010 @ 10:57:01 PM

Welcome back from the abyss.

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Alienange
Sunday, May 30, 2010 @ 11:03:51 PM
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Let me get this straight. The next best thing was TVs that supported 1080p so we all ran out and got one. Besides a couple of exceptions we get mostly 720p games and many that are lower. Where the hell are all the 1080p games?

Now they want us to believe that the return of some failed techs is making a huge return and we're supposed to replace our TVs with the latest "next best thing?"

Never going to happen. A few guppies will run out and pretend they are trend setters, but we all know the truth. 3D is what they drag out every time technology stagnates. At best, it's interesting for all of 30-40 minutes. After that you're just dying to get back to the normalcy of HD gaming.

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DemonNeno
Sunday, May 30, 2010 @ 11:24:31 PM

PS3 processing power can't truly run 60fps in graphic intensive games. That's not a huge surprise to me, although I hoped that there would be a push to master 1080p gaming before we were told to jump ship again.

3D technology isn't bad, a failure or pointless... Inside a theater. In our homes, it comes with many disadvantages. Now you need to wear glasses, those of us who already wear glasses need something more to pile on. Those of us who don't wear glasses have to deal with them being one for prolonged periods of time. Finally, those of us who run out of budget (and glasses) leave others participating out of the picture.. Literally. The prices for the equipment to treat 4-6 people has quite and repulsive pricetag.

Scaled down graphics for the meantime, unknown graphical quality for the future, extremely high prices for equipment that otherwise would be half the price (not to include all those who just recently bought into $1k+ units before 3D launched) and wearing glasses just to stare at your TV..

Where's the advantage in that for the CONSUMER?

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phade2blaq
Sunday, May 30, 2010 @ 11:04:42 PM
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I'm not a fan of 3d but if I'll check it out to see if I like it in games because I do not like 3d movies !

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NeoHumpty
Sunday, May 30, 2010 @ 11:18:24 PM
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I'm about ready for a tv upgrade. I bought one about 6 years ago that only goes up to 1080i. Doesn't even do 720p. Come tax season if the price is right, I may consider a 3D set. If nothing else, it should be good for the kid's movies. I've been wanting to get a Bravia, so I'm looking forward to seeing their pricing. If it will cost too much more, I'm not worried about it.

What I'm really wondering is if the release of 3d tv's will lower the price of standard HD sets. I'm thinking that this year may be a great one for my tax money.

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NeoHumpty
Sunday, May 30, 2010 @ 11:35:35 PM

PS-It's not only the resolution that has me wanting to upgrade. It's only a 30" and I'd like to get up to around 50". If I can get a 3d 46" for about the same price as a 50", I may go for it. I still need to see it in action before I would decide that.

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fluffer nutter
Sunday, May 30, 2010 @ 11:44:35 PM

I've seen Samsung's 55" 3D LED TV for $1799 and the 46" for $1499 with two pairs of sunglasses.

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Metal Head
Sunday, May 30, 2010 @ 11:32:06 PM
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Thanks, World. Gaming is my favorite hobby and I hope to continue enjoying it.

Alienange I agree with you. I bought my 1080p tv just to play Metal Gear 4. It was very expensive and I'm not buying a new one just because it can play 3d.

I finally finish God Of War 3.

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whiskeytango74
Sunday, May 30, 2010 @ 11:56:02 PM
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I could give a crap about 3D, all i want is my damn GT5

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fluffer nutter
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 1:19:50 AM

Tell us about this crap that you give. :p

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CharlesD
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 1:46:17 AM
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I would really like to sit down and play a game in 3D before I make a call on weather or not these TV's will be worth it (which I doubt). It's a cool concept but I think an incredibly high definition would be wayy more interesting. Something like 10000p... Maybe the only thing that would let you know it's fake is the plastic frame around the screen :)

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laxpro2001
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 2:35:50 AM

That would be sick but wouldn't that take soo much longer to produce and develop as compared to the seemingly already long times it takes today?

Still I too long for that day. Flower would be the first game I would like to play like that :D

That would probably look better than real life flowers...

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Robochic
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 2:06:55 AM
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I am not jumping on the 3D band wagon not without my trust barf bucket LOL.

I just got a new tv a few months ago why in gods name would I buy another one that will be 3x the price I just paid for my 42inch sony bravia.
I think they are pushing the techology to quickly it's going to back fire, we are just getting out of a recession can't they wait till the economy gets back on their feet.

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Alienange
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 1:03:08 PM

That's another good point. We blew all our money on HD TVs just as the economy tanked. Now they think we'r going to buy an "upgrade" for three times the price?

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laxpro2001
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 2:39:33 AM
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I would love to jump on it but I wouldn't have the money :(

I can wait however another year or two.

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___________
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 3:15:30 AM
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im just waiting for Panasonic to release their 3D plasmas.
i saw a demo model when i went to Queensland last week, they were demonstrating new tech called neon its suppose to improve the fidelity and depth of colors and i have to say i was blown away.
ive seen a 8K pioneer kuro which ATM is the worlds best looking TV the colors that thing produces is incredible! but this Panasonic looks even better!!!!!
just the colors they looked so vibrant most TVs over saturate colors making them look fake but the Panasonic just made them look perfect!

best part is there incorporating that tech into their 3D TVs when they release later this june.
if they look half as good as the demo model i saw im definitely getting one.
they may be expensive 3K for a 46 inch but i dont care it just looks so impressive i was sold on the spot!

i think i know why it looks so good too.
apparently the guys who worked on the kuro were bought out by panasonic recently and the tech they created, thats why there are no more kuros on the market the tech is now being put into high end panasonic plasmas.

it will be interesting to see how sony and co react to this, this will wipe that smug smirk of samsungs face.
yeah yous were first in, but so what when your product looks like crap in comparison to the comp.
wonder if sony will start using this, or stick to the old LCD tech like stubborn mules.
i really can not understand sonys logic.
samsung, toshiba, LG, sharp, panasonic, all TV manufactures have stopped using LCD back light screens and started using LED ones but sony.
why?
they like using inferior old school tech?
thats one thing i hate about sony, they charge you a arm and a leg for their product, i would not mind if its better but its not.
my sony Z series is 1200 bucks more than my cuzs samsung 8 series and guess which one looks better?
yup the 1200 buck cheaper sammy.

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Highlander
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 3:15:41 AM
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I figured that they would use GT5 to push 3D.

That depth of field thing that is talked about in the article is a real problem. If you stop and think about it for a moment the way that human vision works you can't use a lot of artificially created depth of field without confusing the human brain. Our eyes are barely 4 inches apart, so the stereoscopic benefit of our vision is limited as the range increases. But you see effects in 3D movies where the depth of field is artificially enhanced far beyond what is normal for human vision. It's also depressingly easy to see which scenes are designed for 3D viewing - when you're watching in 2D, which to me at least, detracts from the regular viewing experience.

3D has a ways to go before it matures and is done right. Sounds like GT5 does it right by leaving everything at any distance in sharp focus. It's all very technical, but it comes down to the optical capabilities of our vision system and how we perceive objects that we focus on. For example even when two objects are at the same distance from us, and even right nest to each other, when we look at one object the other fades from focus because we are not looking at it. Optically it does not blur, but our perception of it is that it does blur.

The optical depth of field that we can perceive is limited too. So when we are looking at close objects it's possible that an object slightly closer or further away will appear blurred both because we are not focusing out attention on it and because it is optically not in focus.

In a movie theater the movie presentation is for everyone, so there is no way that you can project the 3D image except as a generic 3D stereoscopic image, so the only depth of field effects that are available are optical. And with digital technology the film maker can play with the depth of field to bring certain effects, actors or props to visual clarity in an unrealistic, but very 3D manner.

The brain tries to make sense of all this and naturally has a hard time with it.

There is an article here

http://www.seereal.com/en/holography/papers/2010%20SPIE%202010%20SPIE%20Defense%20Security%20Sensing%20-%20DSS10-7690A-10%20-%20for%20web.pdf

That goes into a lot of depth on the topic - if you're interested. However it is definitely a good article.

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FM23
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 4:23:20 AM
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Man you know what would be crazy...if Sony released GT5 on time...man thats a crazy idea (sarcasm of course). Man if GT5 is nothing but another racer, Sony and Poly really wasted gamers/fans time especially trying to implement this pointless 3D feature which they feel will change gaming as we know it. I am not even a fan of 3D movies, so when I heard Sony was investing in 3D gaming...I already knew they would be either losing more money or forfeiting projects people really wanted in a timely fashion. Move and Microsoft's even more pointless Natal are terrible ideas. I don't know what market will buy into this type of gaming because last time I checked, real gamers were fine with a disc, standard controller, tv, and their console. People who would be interested already have a Wii. Neither one of these will help sell a PS3 or Xbox 360 to consumers. The funny thing is they keep saying this is what people want even though no one has been asking for this, they have been asking for better games...business men are hilarious. Sony to me is even worse because they are preventing gamers from experiencing GT5 because they believe consumers want/need it to have 3D. Who the hell has a 3D TV right now. I just got these HD TV around my house. Personally I think if I had kids, I would buy one because they would probably be excited about it, but for me and my standards now...3D gaming is not interesting. As you can see I don't like these ideas/projects and I know many feel the same. Just release GT5 already, no one cares for this 3D feature because I can gurantee you that if GT5 is average, people will be very upset...doesn't take a rocket science to figure that one out. A long wait for nothing...hope this isn't the case because that really look bad on everyone involved in this constant delay.

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JackC8
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 7:32:11 AM
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No. Like I've said quite a few times before, I have no intention of spending $2,000 to replace my nearly-new HDTV. The cost/benefit ratio is an epic fail. I also don't appreciate having to wait months and months for a game which has already been delayed for months and months, just so they can add some damned feature that less than 1% of people will be able to use.

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Zorigo
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 8:32:00 AM
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I actually think it looks promising. i mean i can see the flaws, and im not holding my breath, but if it works, i'd be happy...

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Richy
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 9:08:31 AM
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hello ...

i'll jump ;) ...

3D is cool if well used, i don't have headache unless if i stay more than 3 hours.

i guess it's a like it or hate it & i'm sure that there are enough loving it out there for it to be a big success, or maybe a big surprise LOL.

a lot are mad because they just made the HD jump, so it leaves more choice to the others & please, sorry don't speak about the price! it may look expensive but for me it is same price at HDTV's debut & i'm sure will soon be same price, for the actual difference is quite low.

you still have the option in buying a cheaper 120Hz PC monitor with DVI or HDMI in.

I want to MOVE in 3D ;) ... & can't wait for this to happen

cheers!

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Notes36
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 9:54:00 AM
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Anything that got Gran Turismo 5 in it, I'm sold!!!! Even if it takes 2 or 3 months worth of paychecks!!!!

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Notes36
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 10:21:41 AM

Everyone is taking about how 3D is Goin' to Fail, But this isn't the same 3D as the 80's where 3D's didn't last more than 5 mins. The technology has advance and has been succeeding more than it ever has.. And if some-one doesn't take a chance & try to push towards the future how can we advance with technology!!!

Do we really want to stick wit the same 2D images, that only get upgraded wit more detail every year instead of moving on to trying something new?????

People get mad that they have to wear the 3D glasses, but that is just one step toward 3D TVs without glasses!!!

Let them try 3D, sure it cause a lot of money just like everything that is new. But once the world get use to it and it gets more advance, it will get cheaper & cheaper!!!

I mean it is just like cars, when they first came out people thought it was only for the rich. But look how much it help the world advance!!

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spiderboi
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 11:16:53 AM
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Wonder how woozy that would be when they design a game that's 3D AND uses Move! Whoa (minus the glasses)! In all fairness of gimmicky tricks, that, I concur, would be preeettttyyyy interesting!

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dveisalive
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 12:21:54 PM
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I rather buy a stereoscopic (built in 3d) tv than wear some stupid glasses. Its like your tv is the sun or something lol

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CharlesD
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 1:08:56 PM

lol, I agree but the stereoscopic tv's probably aren't as detailed.

@Notes36:
Not sure comparing 3DTV and the model T is the best rout. It might advance television or gaming a bit but many people would agree that it is a bit overstated. Even if it was a completely awesome experience, how would this change the world to that extent?

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Highlander
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 1:47:05 PM

@CharlesD

The resolution of stereoscopic 3D is the same on the current wave of 3D TVs as it will be when the models that allow 3D viewing without glasses arrive. The difference is in the number of visual cues that trick the human vision system into seeing the illusion of 3D.

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MartyRules
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 2:00:26 PM
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why is everyone so quick to bash something they never tried?If Sony is doing it I have hope in them, they haven't failed me in 10+ years why would they start now?

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CharlesD
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 3:49:04 PM
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@Highlander:
Good to know, in that case I would certainly choose stereoscopic, but then again if your going to throw down the cash for a 3DTV then you mine as well go the distance and get the glasses, even if they do look funky. That is if you get more visuals out of the glasses

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THEVERDIN
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 7:05:02 PM
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I won't be a first adapter this time. I was an early adapter for HD then got screwed when they went to full HD had to buy a new TV not this time.

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camaro300zx
Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 9:07:09 PM
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Speaking of GT5. While browsing thru the PS3 section at my local ShopKo, I came across a slot that had two price tag labels one for the game in the slot already and one for Gran Turismo 5. For 59.99. And attached to that label was another label that said "Sorry temperarely not available". Has anyone else seen this at your ShopKo. I'm in Nebraska.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, June 01, 2010 @ 1:49:55 PM
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I'm all for the 3D revolution, but I want to wait for the 2nd gen to come out.

That way any unforeseen bugs or glitches should already been addressed & corrected, the prices should have dropped to a more feasible price=point by then, and......
....hopefully, there will be some new models out that do all their 3D in TV, & thereby doing away with the need for outer-space looking peepers altogether

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