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E3 2010: Dual Shock 3 Can Be Used With PlayStation Move

Okay, so we now know all about PlayStation Move. The total controller - wand plus navigation controller - will cost $80 ($49.99 and $29.99 respectively), you can opt for the bundle that comes with the PlayStation Eye and a game for $99.99, there will be a PlayStation 3 package that features Move and lastly, it'll be available in North America on September 19.

There were also quite a few Move-related presentations during Sony's E3 press conference (make sure to check out the Live Demo for Sorcery), but one question remained: could we still use the standard Dual Shock 3 controller with Move-based games? Well, yeah. You don't necessarily need the navigation controller; if you wish, you can just hold your Sixaxis or DS3 controller in your left hand and the Move in your right. The Nav controller does have a few extra buttons, but the crucial buttons for most titles - L1, L2 and the analog stick - are available on the regular controller. Obviously, it may not be the most comfortable setup; it will probably be a more pleasant experience with the Navigation/Wand setup. But if you'd rather save a few bucks, it's good to know the option exists. And for the last time, could we stop seeing people compare the price of Move to the price of the Wii? The technology is just a bit different, you know.  The price comparison really isn't fair.

Anyway, we'll have to see how things play out this fall. The idea of Heavy Rain: Move Edition certainly sounds intriguing...

6/16/2010 9:21:28 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (57 posts)

hellish_devil
Wednesday, June 16, 2010 @ 9:39:55 PM
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"God of War: Move edition"

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Zorigo
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 3:05:32 AM

I know it only says 4 up so here's a cookie.

But while that would be awesome, surely it would also be impossible. how would you perform the L1 + Square moves?

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phantomMenace
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 3:12:10 PM

By pressing L1 and Square on the move controllers? Or maybe it would take 2 wands and you hold the one in your left hand up like you are blocking then swing the controller in your right hand in some kind of motion. It would be difficult but it could be very cool if done correctly.

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, June 16, 2010 @ 9:40:46 PM
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I think I'd rather have the Nav controller.

The Dualshock just seems like it would be to bulky for one hand while using the Move, making your response times slower too.

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fluffer nutter
Wednesday, June 16, 2010 @ 9:56:53 PM

I think it depends on how someone holds the controller too. Having bigger hands would seem to be an "advantage". I'll be getting the Move controller and sub-controller, myself.

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B-RadGfromOV
Wednesday, June 16, 2010 @ 10:25:28 PM

Have you tried it? Go pick up your DS3 right now, and hold it with one hand. You can't tell me it's really all that awkward. It's not a bother at all, actually, it's surprisingly comfortable to use.

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faraga
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 1:55:36 AM

@ B-RadGfromOV
You can grab and hold it just fine, I just grabbed my sixaxis (my DS3 is at a friend) and I could hold it easily. Only problem is that holding it level for an hour will make your wrist tired, as you almost never use those muscles to do anything but putting your hand in a different position, so they aren't capable of doing any form of endurance work, not even with the lowest weights.

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spiderboi
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 2:49:43 AM

Same here. Will just resort to the DS3 instead of the additional controller. Prime example--I'm playing FF13 right now on the early parts, and all I'm doing is confirming confirming confirming (this has got to be the most boring first few hours of a final fantasy ever!)

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fluffer nutter
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 11:41:42 AM

I have tried it. High Velocity Bowling. I don't see any problems.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, June 16, 2010 @ 9:56:34 PM
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Haven't seen anyone comparing the prices to Wii, but that is pretty stupid. I'd rather have the nav controller too but it's a bigger investment.

So why isn't there a bundle with the PSeye, Nav controller, wand, and game?

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fluffer nutter
Wednesday, June 16, 2010 @ 9:58:30 PM

I saw price comparisons being done over at the U.S. PS Blog. It didn't make any sense.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, June 16, 2010 @ 11:00:19 PM

Speaking of investment...

I would love Sony forever if all the content from the PS3, Move controls, PSeye camera, games, DLC, etc. are all forward compatible with the PS4.

No one would feel left behind or feel that their expensive investment in new motion controls a waste of money if they can use it for another 10 years from now.

Please Sony, make the PS4 a slightly more advanced PS3. I want all my stuff to work on it. Don't let my investments be a waste 3 years from now.

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Kangasfwa
Wednesday, June 16, 2010 @ 11:02:12 PM

@ World

Didn't Sony announce that very bundle as the "Starter Pack" for $99?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, June 16, 2010 @ 11:10:10 PM

No, that starter pack has no nav controller.

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BikerSaint
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 1:21:37 AM

Well, I call BS on holding both the Move and the DS3 for any extended period of time

But if you want to, go hold the DS3 in one hand & the Move in the other all you want, and more power to you.

Just trying holding on to it while trying to reach around to mash all the buttons for hours when you're way deep into a game like I sometimes get(over 29 hours straight one day on The Saboteur, only pausing to snack on the fly, & quick bathroom breaks)



Plus there's an added negative for myself which is that I sometimes get intermittent Carpel Tunnel, so when I have i, it it hurts like hell to even hold the DS3 in one hand, never mind trying to mash all the needed buttons with the same hand too.

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Jian2069
Wednesday, June 16, 2010 @ 10:17:16 PM
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I don't think the navigation controller comes with the $99 package... just the eye, one controller, and a game.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, June 16, 2010 @ 10:40:14 PM

That's what I'm saying, they need it in there.

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daus26
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 3:14:29 AM

I agree with WorldEndWithMe. I thought they'd at least have some kind of discount package for both the Move and Nav.

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RadioHeader
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 6:23:13 AM

At first I thought their failure to include the nav was M$-style money grubbing, but since I heard the DS3 could be used, I really like the idea. It's one less item to clutter your living room, and one less battery to be charged. I don't see myself getting the nav.

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kraygen
Wednesday, June 16, 2010 @ 11:07:54 PM

The thing is that you're talking about the price of the ps3 not move, you're talking about buying a ps3 and move, is it more than a wii, yes, but the wii doesn't have half of what the ps3 does.

While not everyone is tech savy, most ppl are looking towards blu ray and motion game playing. A wii bundle is $200 and a ps3 move bundle is $400, twice the price but you get all the tech everyone in your family wants. I think a lot of ppl will see that.

Besides that, do I think they should have made the bundle have a nav controller too, yes, but they would have had to charge more for the bundle and $99 looks better to most ppl than $129, for whatever reason our brains are just built to go, oh that one's over $100, but if we see $99 we automatically go well I can probably pull that off. Obviously I'm generalizing here.

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Highlander
Wednesday, June 16, 2010 @ 11:47:07 PM

PS Move is not intended to address Wii as a competitor. It is a complementary product, an accessory. Contrasting the cost of a PS3 with Move against the cost of Wii is an utterly false and facile comparison. The two are not remotely the same.

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just2skillf00l
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 12:12:54 AM

Yeah...Highlander makes a good point, his comment is a few boxes below. The PS Move controller is a complimentary product; this controller isn't necessary to play PS3 games, it's an add-on accessory that allows for a uniquely precise experience. Whereas the Wii controller is the standard, there are no alternatives.

Basically,

Wiimote is to Dualshock

As

Classic controller is to PS Move Controller

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faraga
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 2:04:37 AM

How are they not remotely the same? You can easily compare the Wand with the Wiimote + Motion Plus and the Navigation Controller to the Nunchuck. Or am I missing something here?

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RadioHeader
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 6:40:28 AM

A question to all those who are smarter than me (all of you):

When I think of the Move, I think of one thing - shooters. Now we know it's compatible with the next SOCOM but is there some reason it can't be used for all shooters? Granted, some patching may be required but can it be done?

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Havoc
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 9:10:58 AM

I think Sony is expecting alot of casual Wii owners to graduate to the move and ps3. Any that do will be like icing on the cake of thier current consumers. As long as they dont lose money in the process. Thier hoping that all the wii owners that go out and buy a hd tv will also want Sony's all in one system. Hd games-blueray-music,photo player-movie storage-web browser-free online & store- now with superior motion controls.

Before they get the next nintendo console thats hd.

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Highlander
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 11:03:33 AM

They are not remotely the same because Sony Move has a video and audio feed, Wii does not. Move is 1 to 1 motion control with pixel accuracy, Wii-mote is not. PS3 has HD games, Wii does not.

They are not the same.

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fluffer nutter
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 11:47:51 AM

People, don't just read a few of the words that TheHighlander is typing but actually digest what he has written. It's not that hard to see that he has some very valid points and he isn't wrong.

I apologize but the lack of comprehension in this thread has my smacking my forehead with my hand. Not meant to offend. I'm just in constant disbelief.

I know what you're saying, TH, and I agree. I will be purchasing the Move controller and Nav controller as I already have an Eye. I might even get two sets.

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kraygen
Wednesday, June 16, 2010 @ 11:11:56 PM
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I'm looking forward to the move, been harping it for months. I'm excited, I look forward to playing all kinds of games.

As for the price, it's exactly what I expected and I'll keep preaching it, if you think it's pricey, get the camera now, buy pieces as you need them and when you can. No different than your ds3, I know I didn't buy my ps3 and 3 extra controllers all in the same night. 3 ds3's would cost $165.

I think the price point is pretty average for gaming tech available today, even tho it's better than the rest.

I know I'm not paying $150 for a slightly improved eye toy.(kinect)

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Zemus101
Wednesday, June 16, 2010 @ 11:18:17 PM
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With my current room setup, I don't think I could do the whole Move thing. My hdtv is right close to my bed and so there's no room to stand at all. Hmm ...how sad is it that it's something like this that makes me want to get a job and move out of my dad's house? Well ...I've had a couple apartments before but ...why Sony? I need a 3DTV and now this Move thing? Dammit, I had a good setup here!

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MyWorstNightmar
Wednesday, June 16, 2010 @ 11:40:30 PM

"Dammit, I had a good setup here!"

Funny stuff Zemus. Thanks for the lol.

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Zemus101
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 12:59:57 AM

Well it was cozy...

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RadioHeader
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 6:47:11 AM

"how sad is it that it's something like this that makes me want to get a job and move out of my dad's house?"

lol I can't think of a better reason to move house than wanting to get your 'Move' on. It's much better than say... getting married.

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Highlander
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 1:14:12 AM
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If you are wondering how the Dualshock3 or Sixaxix can replace the 'nav' controller, all you have to do is warm up a copy of High Velocity Bowling. You hold the controller vertically in your right (or left) hand with three fingers wrapped around the central part, your thumb on the right thumb stick and your index finger resting against the R1/R2 (or L1/L2 for lefties) buttons. Your thumb can access the main control buttons too. If you hold the controller in your off-hand you can immediately see how this will work.

Oh, and if you have High velocity bowling, and have played it and have a PSEye then you are already a step ahead of both Wii and 360 owners since you have everything they will already. It's been pretty clear since the PS3 launched that with the PSEye and sixaxs controllers there was potential for some awesome control schemes that use the camera and controller in unison. Move is simply a logical extension of what is already there. This is why for my money Move is the better implementation of motion control compared to Kinect. Move is an evolution and refinement of existing Sony products and work. Kinect is something new to Microsoft that was brought to them through a third party after it had been rejected by Sony.

Kinda tells you all you need to know, you know.

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daus26
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 3:10:33 AM
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Perhaps it's just me, but anyone noticed the crowd at E3 going, "Woooooh!," when they announced the price of the PS move at 49.99 then it went silent when they showed the Ps3 nav at 29.99? I think they had the same initial thought as I did, thinking that the Nav and Move was going to be priced at 49.99.

Anyway, I can see how this will work. I still have the Ps3 sixaxis so it's very light to use. Does the Ps3 move/nav have rumble features? If yeah, I guess I'll be upgrading.

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___________
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 3:37:37 AM
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ive always said 1 thing and 1 thing alone will decide if move and kinect will flop or fly.
price!
sadly sony has learned absolutely nothing from the ps3!
they release the ps3 at a premium price and it sells poorly, so you would think they would learn their lesson?
NOPE!
so they release the psp go at a premium price, again it sells poorly, so again you would think they would learn their lesson?
again, nope!
so they release move at a premium price, again..... well you can see where this is going.
same goes for M$, 200 bucks is far too much for a motion controller but its MUCH! better than 290 bucks!

50 bucks for move, 50 for the camera and 30 for the navigation controller i could justify, maybe add 10 on each ok i could deal with.
but 80 for move and 80 for the camera and 50 for the sub?
sorry, but that smacks as quite a rip off!
but hey, thats the definition of sony.

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Highlander
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 11:07:12 AM

I see, so the fact that I, as a consumer, only have to buy one thing - the wand controller, to make Move work on my system is somehow lost on you? Kinect works best with the new slim 360 even, you have to have an extra power cord with the older systems as they can't support it's power requirement. The cost of a Move wand controller is less than the cost of Kinect. If you compare the cost of setup from nothing, they are roughly equivalent.

Really, I am not sure where you are coming from, except of course to be negative. As for your complaints about the cost of the PSEye. The Eye costs what the Eye costs and has cost since it was launched. Which means that in fact the price has remained static for nearly 4 years - a price reduction in real terms.

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___________
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 7:56:26 AM

yes the cost of A move controller is less than kinect but you cant play any games with A move controller can you?
if you bothered to read what i wrote IF i want to play every single move game to be released i will need 2 move controllers 1 ps eye and 1 sub controller.

if i want to play the sports pack.
you need 2 move controllers for the archery game and ps eye.
if i want to play socom 4 i need 1 move 1 ps eye and 1 sub.
so can you explain to me how that is some how cheaper than kinect?
2 moves + 1 sub + 1 ps eye = 290AUD.
and may i remind you they are estimated figures, EB just took the US price announced at E3 and converted it to AUD but sony NEVER do that they always like to add a little sugar on top.
so it will probably end up costing me more like 320 by the time moves out.
now last time i checked 290 is a little over 200.

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Robochic
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 3:54:54 AM
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@______ 1) the camera is not 80 bucks, you can pick it up for 30, 2) the price for move and the nav controller is still cheaper than the 360 kinetic, 3)the move was priced for 49.99 + 29.99 togther thats 80 or so where you got the move alone was 80 is wrong and 50 for the sub is wrong. Sony is defently not a rip off company! If you are so disliking why do u post here or even follow Sony?

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Fane1024
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 6:54:09 PM

No name is from Australia. He always quotes prices in AUD without telling anyone he's talking about Australian dollars.

It'd be like if you or I said games cost $70. People might not realize we meant Canadian dollars.

Edit: Aw, hell. Lawless (Lucy Lawless?) beat me to it, but didn't use the Reply button, so I didn't notice.

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Lawless SXE
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 2:24:09 AM

I've been waiting for someone to write that. A friend of mine says it every time he sees me using this nick online. It's a right pain in the backside, but I like it, and that's all that matters.
Peace.

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Lawless SXE
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 4:18:45 AM
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@Robochic, you forget that mr no name is Aussie, and so we always get screwed on the price, and yep, those prices are actually quite accurate for what I've seen.

@ Highlander, the way you described holding the controller is bloody messed up. I can't hit both the shoulders and the stick at the same time the way you described it. The way I see it is holding the DS3/6axis by the left handle (two weakest fingers around it, middle finger across the back, index finger between the shoulders and thumb on the analogue stick. Sure it may slip a bit, and disallow access to pretty well all the other buttons, but it's much more comfortable for me.)
Anyone care to chime in on which way they prefer?

@Mr. No name, Dude, as I've said before calm down a bit. Sony is not out to rip you off. What they give us IS premium hardware, and so you should expect to pay that much. I agree with you on the Go!, but the launch PS3 was worth more than the $1000 I paid for it, and the original PSP is definitely worth the $400 I paid for it, even though I primarily use it as an mp3 player at work nowadays. But where did you get 290 for Sony's bundle? The way I see it is 180 plus what you pay for the games, although some games will have a free patch (unless I'm mistaken) and others will come out with Move compatability in the box, ala LBP2, SOCOM4, but can still be used with the standard controller.

Oh, I'm writing too much. Peace all.

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Highlander
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 11:17:45 AM

The way I describe holding the sixaxis/DS3 works perfectly.

Place the controller in your hand with the grips wither side of your fingers. grasp the controller around the mid section with your pinkie, ring and middle fingers, put your index finger on the R1/R2 shoulder buttons and your thumb will rest either over the 'X' button or near the analog stick. the controller is typically held vertically not horizontally as you would normally hold it. It's almost like a gun grip.

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fluffer nutter
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 11:54:49 AM

Do you have tiny hands? I play High Velocity Bowling and I have no problem holding the DS3 in that manner. The only thing is that I have two fingers curling up the top side as there isn't room for a third finger to fit into that groove but that's not a problem at all.

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kraygen
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 1:14:49 PM

@ lawless

As for holding the controller I can understand where you're at, but until you play high velocity bowling it might not make much sense. I have that game and so I know what highlander is saying and I'd agree with him.

I'd suggest getting high velocity bowling, it's a lot of fun and they will be upgrading it to move when move comes out.

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Lawless SXE
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 2:22:21 AM

LOL, I realised at work why I was having trouble with your controller set-up. I was holding it with the face to my palm rather than the back. Yeah, now it makes a lot more sense, and is a considerable amount easier to use, but I still prefer the holding it like a sidearm. Gives me an itchy trigger finger. LOL.
Peace.

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JackC8
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 7:20:20 AM
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I'll just pick up the sub-controller. I love gadgets.

So it's $50 for the Move, $30 for the sub-controller, plus $30 for the camera. Kind of pricey, but not too bad. I wish they'd have a bundle with those three items for $100 even. I'm not really interested in that sports game compilation thing.

Question: I noticed quite a bit of lag in the Tiger Woods demo. They had a bunch of Move games for people to play at E3 - was there lag in those, or were they functioning as promised?

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Casual Friday
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 8:24:05 AM
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Two questions.....

Will the DS3 only work in your left hand? I know I am in the lefthanded minority and this wouldn't matter to most.

Will the DS3 be able to be tracked like the Move even though it doesn't have the LED ball on the end of it? The Gladiator Duel game that will be packed in with it has only ever been demonstrated with two Moves. Can the DS3 be used for the shield?

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RadioHeader
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 9:27:15 AM

Given the symetrical design, I would think the DS3 should be good for righties & lefties. But I don't think it can be tracked (nor can the nav). For things like the bow & arrow - sword & shield, it seems you require 2 moves, but I'm often wrong.

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kraygen
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 1:17:14 PM

the ds3 won't work exactly the same but I think that you can still use it for the shield. I think you would just use the sixaxis control to maneuver the shield. At least from what I've read that is likely how it will work.

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Highlander
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 11:21:38 PM

The DS3 contains all the Sixaxis hardware as well as the dual shock capability. So although it cannot be tracked in 3 dimensions, the accelerometers and sensors in the controller will tell the PS3 what is happening to the controller how it is being held (orientation), the direction in which it's moving (pitch, yaw acceleration, vector). The PS3 can track the controller pretty well as long as absolute tracking is not required. If you only need to know how the controller is moving relative to a moment ago, sixaxis is excellent.

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Casual Friday
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 8:24:07 AM
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Two questions.....

Will the DS3 only work in your left hand? I know I am in the lefthanded minority and this wouldn't matter to most.

Will the DS3 be able to be tracked like the Move even though it doesn't have the LED ball on the end of it? The Gladiator Duel game that will be packed in with it has only ever been demonstrated with two Moves. Can the DS3 be used for the shield?

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Highlander
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 11:13:59 AM

You can hold the in either hand, so you should have no problem. the button layout is the same whichever hand you use. I would be amazed if there was not an option to switch from right to left handed controls.

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CharlesD
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 12:53:31 PM
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It's a good idea to use your original controller but the stick w. the analog really isn't that much money considering the DS3 will hinder your comfort and most likely your control.

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prince_of_barja
Thursday, June 17, 2010 @ 2:40:16 PM
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i think that some games will need two motion controllers then i'm gonna get two and i don't need the navigation controller not even the playstation eye they must make a package with 2 motion and a game

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Robochic
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 2:04:41 AM
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@Fane1024 & lawless, thanks guys i was unaware of that, but he is still off when it comes to a rip off company, Sony doesn't make the exchange rate for each country. I'm from Canada and I know things can get ridiculous but I know that companies don't make my countries exchange rate, thats up to my retarded government.

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Lawless SXE
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 2:26:47 AM

You're actually a bit off base. The current exchange rate is something like 84US cents for one Aus dollar. Yet while you pay sixty bucks for a game ours is up over a hundred more often than not. Seriously, it's all sorts of f'd up. Also, exchange rates are based on economic standing and inflation of all countries, not just random governmentized crap. I'm sure you already knew that though. And, I never agreed that Sony was a rip-off.
Peace.

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Highlander
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 12:31:18 AM

Australia suffers from being a relatively small market, so things are a little more expensive than they should be - even with currency conversion. This always affects markets that are relatively small. It's not right, but it does happen, and it's by no means limited to Sony.

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