People Were "Very Critical" Of Demon's Souls At First

Maybe the reason From Software doesn't want to do a sequel to Demon's Souls is because the original was initially met with a ton of skepticism.

Although it's now considered one of the best role-playing games available, and European consumers will finally get a shot at it next week, DS producer Takeshi Kajii said the first showcasing of the promising title in Japan really tanked. Apparently, according to Edge, people were confused and put-off by the gameplay. In fact, the relatively unique approach to an RPG adventure started out by disappointing the heck out of people. Said Kajii:

"When we first demo'd Demon's Souls at the Tokyo Game Show it was nothing short of a disaster. People were initially excited about the idea of a dark fantasy game, but they were so critical of the gameplay. Many people presumed we were still working on the combat, despite it being nearly finished!

The truth is Demon's Souls is just not well suited to previews, particularly at shows. Because of the action-RPG style people simply expected it to handle in the same way as Sengoku Muso. When it didn't, they were left disoriented. Only a handful of players finished the demo. Some even put the controller down at the character-creation screen."

That just has to be disheartening if you're a developer. They must've had serious doubts about the eventual success of Demon's Souls but now, after becoming the darling of the RPG world for many, and even capturing GameSpot's Game of the Year award in 2009, the title has plenty of respect. It's just too bad that Demon's Souls 2 isn't on the horizon...

6/18/2010 12:28:58 PM Ben Dutka

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Evil tele
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 12:41:37 PM
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damn, this is still on my list....Too many good games are out that i still have yet to buy.

Everyone talks about how 'hard' this game is... i still have yet to see what they're talking about

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 1:07:47 PM

Three words: Ghouls n Ghosts

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B-RadGfromOV
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 4:03:02 PM

That's two words and a letter XD

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Scarecrow
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 4:12:10 PM

LOVE the Ghosts N Ghouls series!!!

I wish we had more dark/medieval rpgs :*( or any kind of genre (platformer would be nice too)

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JackC8
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 12:58:38 PM
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So they're not doing a sequel because the initial reaction was bad, even though it then went on to sell much better than expected and get GS's game of the year award?

That's childish.

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B-RadGfromOV
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 4:04:13 PM

I don't think that's the exact reason, Ben's just speculating.

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godsman
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 1:05:45 PM
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I never played the game, but it's good to know it's a successful one. It probably just doesn't fit the Japanese style.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 1:06:41 PM

no it wouldn't, it's a Japanese made WRPG basically.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 1:06:04 PM
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I see what they are saying about demoing it but give me a break, the game pulled down great reviews.

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FM23
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 1:31:33 PM
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Gamers get something new and find it easy to point out the negatives without embracing something fresh and innovative. I am not sure a demo could actually demonstrate the greatness of Demons Souls. I first read up about this game on Gamespot. Didn't know what it was, but the video review really spoke to me. Picked the game up without any hesistation and this is one of the few games I felt was worth the full price of admission. Demons Souls was great, now if they can really add the next gen PS3 quality to it, this game will be another hard hitter, but only alongside proper advertising.

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lupus
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 1:45:29 PM
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demons soul's is the best rpg for ps3 and im very sad we wont get a sequal.

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CaptRon
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 1:53:55 PM
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This game kicks azz. It was difficult but it was rewarding. some of the boss fights were insane. But I beat it, you jus gotta use the tools you got on hand, meaning summoning spirits.

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TheOldOne
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 1:56:52 PM
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Reviews don't always means great sales. Final Fantasy XIII got 85% overall on reviews and Demon's Souls got an 89% and still only managed to do half a million copies on sales while FFXIII did more than 4 million on sales (on PS3 alone).

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maxpontiac
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 2:05:11 PM
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This is exactly what I am talking about. They created a RPG that niche specific.

A difficuly setting should have been added.

What a shame.

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Scarecrow
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 4:15:51 PM

The difficulty is PART of the game

It's like taking out realism from Gran Turismo
Only those who fully complete the game understand why it's hard.

It's the theme of the game. You give people difficulty options and the game loses what it's all about.

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kraygen
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 6:38:02 PM

Also how can you have a difficulty setting on a multiplayer experience.

Yes you can play the game offline, but it's intended to be online all the time, which is part of what makes it so great, because if you're alive, you never know who will jump in and stab you in the back.

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Club80
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 2:47:19 PM
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Amazing you do this article today, Ben. This is the first "me" weekend in a LONG time, and I was thinking this morning about doing a Demon's Souls weekend. I'm taking this as a sign. :-)

DS is truly a gaming gem, not only of this generation, but also of any generation.

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Mr Bitey
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 3:52:47 PM
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I loved it, but I can see how this wouldn't be perceived well as a demo at a busy trade show.

The game is all about patience, perseverance, and reward. There's no way to convey that in a 5-10 minuet demo.

I'm really bummed that there won't be a sequel.

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Scarecrow
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 4:24:26 PM
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It really says a lot 'bout the state of the game industry and also says a lot 'bout the kinds of gamers today.

A lot of the "new" gamers are dumber than the NES, SNES, ps1 gamers.

They're "babied" all the time.

Demon's Souls pushes you to WANT to win. It's not the kind of game you can sit back while talking with your friend on your cellphone*

Sad, rpg fans are missing out on the best of this generation.
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But I don't know what From Software is so scared about? I mean it did do reasonably well; even getting Sony to admit that they missed a great chance by letting ATLUS publish the game in the US instead of doing it themselves.

It's really up to SCEJ (Japan) to FULLY fund a Demon's Souls 2. I think From Software is flat out scared to attempt a sequel.

Trash like Call of Duty gets sequels, and this does not. This wouldn't have happened 'back in the days.'

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sunspider13
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 5:36:07 PM

Agreed. I'm still getting my a$$ handed to me, but the pay-off is so huge. Love this game.

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marcusfrommo
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 4:32:39 PM
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so who owns the rights to demons souls? atlus, sony or the company who actually made the game? what, what, no demon souls sequel? are you efffin kidding me? well, add heavenly sword and god of war(the psp version in my opinion isn't the same as the console versions to me) to the list of games you won't see a sequel to. oh, by the way, will someone please tell me if they are making a metal gear solid sequel. if they are, they would have announced it right? if they are making one, a trailer and or demo should be available at e3 next year maybe.

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Lawless SXE
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 5:35:34 PM

What in the hell are you talking about? Metal Gear Solid 4 was supposed to be the last in the series (shame it wasn't). Not only that, but it was the seventh game in the series, I think that's enough.

Heavenly Sword, I can agree with wanting a sequel, but I can understand why Ninja Theory isn't doing it (money), but also, I wouldn't want to see them do something too different to the story that was in the original. I like it when game series (numbered) continue with the same characters and at the end of HS

***SPOILERS*** they were all dead ***END SPOILERS***

Also, GOW 3, that's three, a threequel if you will. was also supposed to be the last of the series, with the exception of Ghost of Sparta, which was alluded to in 3. Why do you want these game series to continue on after their death? That's an Activision and Microsoft tactic, not Sony.
Peace.

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Gordo
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 4:37:06 PM
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Out in Australia in a week or two. Definately picking this one up!

Looking forward to immersing myself in this for a good while. The Wiki site is excellent as well. Imagine I will be needing that help from the start.

The special edition with the art book, CD and strategy guide that Australia is getting looks sweet. This one will be a keeper!

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kraygen
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 6:42:18 PM

you really are in for a treat and a beating. lol I really need to get back to it, my character is only level 143.

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shadowscorpio
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 4:42:39 PM
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Demon Souls never looked apealing to me. Mind you I am a NES, SNES, PS1, PS2 RPGer so I know that I can't simply go on looks. Without playing it all I can go on are gameplay videos and such. All over the board I continue to here that this game is so good maybe even the best Rpg on PS3 as of yet.

With that said and even though visually the mechanics, gamplay and graphics still don't appeal to me I'm willing to trust my fellow RPGers on here and give it a shot. I not worried about difficulty seeing as how you are awarded appropriately in this game.

I hope I'm making the right decision by purchasing Demon Souls people...

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piratedrunk
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 5:32:40 PM

I put easily 120 hours into it and while I haven't felt compelled to go back to it for a long time now I would say my original $70 investment was well worth it.

The other day at EB i saw it was going for $30 new. That is an insanely good deal so I think you can't go wrong picking it up now.

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kraygen
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 6:44:08 PM

I agree with pirate, I think I have about 150 hours into and I haven't played it in a while, but I know if there is a dry spell on games I can go back and pick it up and get back to slaying and dieing.

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Mr Bitey
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 8:49:23 PM

I agree also lol. I think I ended up putting in about 120 hours.

The combat is amazing, the world is haunting, epic boss battles, and the most satisfying (or heart breaking) leveling system ever.

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Lawless SXE
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 5:41:01 PM
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Ahh, it releases in six days. I'll see if I can pick it up next weekend. That being said, why is everyone so insistent on a sequel?

People are always talking about how they would rather see original ideas, so one comes along, and suddenly you are all wanting to tarnish its legacy by clamouring for a sequel. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I'd rather see FromSoftware let Demon's Souls sit, as well as 3D Dot Game Heroes and move onto another new, exclusive title.

One thing I don't understand about y'all is how you lambaste the prevalence of COD, and let Assassin's Creed off with a reprieve. Six games in three years is just a tad worse than six games in six years. Sure, you can bring up the argument that not all of the AC games have been for the big two, but it's still valid damnit.

Also, I know that that was off-topic, but it just seemed to flow off what I was saying.
Peace.

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kraygen
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 6:48:10 PM

I agree with you on almost everything. The only reason we're all clamoring for a sequel to demon's souls is because, while it was epic, they could do so much more with it. I loved the set up and how you could choose which level to play, but a second one could have many more levels and could have move support, which for Demon's souls would be so so amazing.

If they came out with demon's souls 2 with move I'd sell half my video game collection in order to buy the game and 2 move wands so I could play it day 1 if I had to.

There is a lot to demon's souls, but I still wanted more and 1 sequel definitely wouldn't hurt.

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FullmetalX10
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 5:51:12 PM
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I think ima pick this one up, I just have to try it, prove to myself I'm hardcore!!!

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kraygen
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 6:49:38 PM

I think thats a great idea, just remember, depending on who you are, some people pick up the combat rather quickly and some of us took a little bit longer. I had never played anything like this, but after a couple hours, I was blocking and rolling pretty well, at least I was dieing a lot less. lol

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natho86
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 7:48:57 PM

Watch out for the black phantoms! I could be the one chasing you through the level and get you when you least expect it ha ha.

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Clamedeus
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 6:59:39 PM
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Demon's Souls is very addictive i got it when it first came out never regretted the purchase, i mean there was times where i got pissed but i kept calm and stayed persistent and i came on top of the battles, I'm level 108 on DS.

Very good game i love it.

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marcusfrommo
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 7:08:20 PM
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hey lawless, would you be suprised if they decided to make a next gen mgs? games like the ff series and other rpg's, if there really good, the more the merrier. i bet if mgs was exclusive to the xbox, i bet they can coarce konami to make another one for them. what lawless, your not psyched about the upcoming next generation castlevania? cause i'm sure am. you know, other than the ff series, and unless it's exclusive, no one promotes rpg games anymore. evrything 1st and 3rd person shooters for them. by the way, what's your opinions on the more than one probably profesional sports games that come out each year. does they graphics and or gameplay get enhanced a little or is it just the same bs. hey, if you like it, cool. i wouldn't doubt if you or the other bloggers would mind the latest sf, tekken, mk, or soul caliber series every 3 to 5 years. what say you bro?

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Lawless SXE
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 10:00:56 PM

Mate, don't call me out, it usually doesn't end well. With that out of the way, I can begin. I would not be surprised if they decided to come out with a new MGS soon after the release of the PS4, however I will be surprised and disappointed if it's created with Kojima at the helm as he has said time and time again that he wants to be done with the franchise and move on to something new.

Sure, I can understand people wanting to see the continuation of games with a great story and compelling characters, ie. RPGs, but I think it's better to, if the developers feel the story is told, reuse the mechanis of the game with a few tweaks in a new environment, like Oblivion to Fallout 3. Same game mechanics for the most part, completely different feeling game.

I don't understand your comment about MGS being exclusive to the 360. Sure, if it was, Microsoft could throw a bag of money at Kojima to make a new one, and he probably would, but that isn't exactly coercion. Coercion means to force someone to do something, and throwing money at something isn't forcing it, it's more like compelling.

Castlevania I, thus far, reserve judgement. It looks and sounds like a GOW knock-off, just like Dante's Inferno. I say this because I haven't played any of the earlier games, and Lords of Shadow reminds me a great deal of God of War. Don't get me wrong, I'll probably still try it out, and reward it on its own merits, but right now I'm on the fence about it.

The reason that there are so few RPGs nowadays, the way I see it, is because of the influx of casual gamers. They are the source of the twitch gaming craze and the 'avid' or 'classic' gamers are pushed to the wayside as devs realise that this is not their audience anymore. Any business is wise to follow the money, and shooters and Wii games is where the money is now.

I make it a point to not buy sports games. If I want to play sports I'll play them IRL. That being said, I bought WWE SVR 2006, 2007 and 2009. I have given up on them as they are always the same tripe, with a few minor differences. Either way, no more for me, and no sports games either.

As far as fighting games are concerned, I purchased Tekken Dark Resurrection (That's not right...) for my psp and SCIV. While I put an untold amount of time into TDR, I got bored with SC very quickly, then trying to go back to Tekken was also boring. Fighting games simply don't hold my interest as no matter how much variation there is, the story is almost always piss-poor and the mechanics are always relatively simple. These games sell because of the name value, and the people that have been born on them and will continue to play them regardless of what happens. As far as them being released every 3-5 years, if they can do something different and compelling with the structure of the game in that time, then why the hell shouldn't they? Sure, I may not like it, but some people obviously do.

Now, to you personally. Learn grammar. Learn to group your ideas. Learn to use the reply button and finally learn to not piss me off.

Sorry about the rant everyone, but I can't resist a challenge.

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Scarecrow
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 10:41:25 PM

A sequel won't hurt anyone

What's this weird theme you've got 'bout not wanting sequels?

Call of Duty is a different story (I know you're going to look for that). But COD is sorry excuse for a compelling game. It's the same online multiplayer game with all the camping BS in every single game.

In a MGS game you get a full fledged story, environments, and characters. Same would be true for Demon's Souls.

PS: And even then COD is good, it just isn't as good as some make it out to be.

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Lawless SXE
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 12:44:16 AM

It's not that I wouldn't want a sequel, it's just that it seems that Demon's Souls isn't really the type of game that could benefit from one. Now of course I'm not saying my words are gospel as I have not yet had the chance to play it, but I'd much rather see another game use a revised version of the mechanics, and set in an entire other universe, rather than potentially tarnishing the unique feel that Demon's Souls has on offer.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 10:43:29 AM

The only thing one should fear is fear itself

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Fane1024
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 4:24:23 PM

casual gamers =/= twitch gamers

Twitch gaming was FAR more prevalent on the earlier systems than it is today. Old school arcade-style games are "twitchy" in the extreme, requiring fast reflexes and almost no thought. And they are intentionally unforgiving.

Casual gaming is, by contrast, intentionally forgiving, in order to appeal to the masses.

It makes no sense to call COD-heads (particularly those who play it all the time) casual gamers. Going back to PC games, shooter fans are as hardcore as they come.

There are a lot of elements changing the landscape of gaming and they are not all derived from the same source.

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Lawless SXE
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 5:35:58 PM

Alright Fane1024, I admit I may have made a mistake in the way I wrote that, but what I meant was that the two seem to converge to cancel out the wants and needs of the people that are more balanced in the types of games they want to play today. I didn't mean to imply that twitch gaming and casual gaming are the same thing, though I know that is what I wrote, it was a heat of the moment thing.

Thank you for pointing that out to me.

Scarecrow... in that case, I fear the lack of fear that others have in regards to sequels. It's still contains fear :P
Peace all.

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BeezleDrop
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 7:18:11 PM
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People were too critical? More like they couldn't take a challenge. Which really wasn't as tough once you leveled up a bit, I was so intrigued by the game because all of these babies were telling me how tough the game was so after that I HAD to buy it. I did, and I loved every minute, of course until it glitched out to all hades.

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natho86
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 7:57:20 PM
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It is a class game the whole way from start to finnish. If you want a excellent combat,magic and leveling up system combined with a top story and great sense of immersion then you should already have demon souls in your collection.

I really hope they do another one, with better advertisment and actually release it all over the world at the same time im pretty sure they would make some money on it.

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Nasty80
Friday, June 18, 2010 @ 8:19:26 PM
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i rented it and couldnt get into it. i love RPGs, maybe i just need someone to show me the ropes. it pissed me off when u die and have to go all the way back to the begining.

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FM23
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 4:36:06 AM
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@Lawless

I love when 'smart' people point out people who are trying to be smart. Good job and I also agree with you, Demons Souls doesn't need a sequel. Kind of reminds me of how Bioshock didn't need a sequel. Sequels work for MGS and even Assassin Creed, but for the most part many games don't even need sequels unless developers just want to recreate and perfect their intial work. Uncharted 2 and even GOW 3 is a great example, but Bioshock 2 was just another game, not a classic like first and thus its suffer from sequel syndrome. I think the developers are creative enough to make a sequel due to the nature of Demons Souls, as they can actually dive into the backstory of this world, but then again, I think the mystery of this world is the true pleasure. So in the end, I don't think a sequel is needed, but if they can reach sequel excellence like UC2 and AC2 while giving us a deep narrative compared to the first, I am on board, but if it is Bioshock 2 sequel level, please just leave it under wraps. As for now, I need to get my self up to soul level 223...lol

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Lawless SXE
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 6:46:07 AM

Thankyou for your support FM23. The way I see it is that MGS worked as it got more and more out there until Kojima managed to reel it in and give us all the answers in the 'final' game.

AC worked because it was planned to be a trilogy from the beginning. Also, they fixed most of the complaints they received about the original.

Bioshock should never have been greenlit for a sequel. Especially one which did away with all of the characters that made the original game so great.

Uncharted 2 was perfect in its execution. They kept all of the best characters (with the exception of Eddie. He stole the show for me.), introduced new diverse characters for the originals to bounce off, and a story that, while not adding anything to the original, kept all of the elements that made Drake's Fortune a GOTY contender and did them better.

GOW3, I will disagree with you though. While it is the logical, and necessary thing to follow GOW2, I would argue that GOW2 was unnecessary. The first one could have stood alone. I'm glad it didn't though as the others gave a really final feel to it.

I'm not saying that Demon's Souls doesn't deserve a sequel, and I probably would buy it too, but I don't see any real reason for them to do another one. As I already said, reuse a modified version of the systems in an all-new game with new environs and give it a new title and voila, new IP, kinda...

I actually wrote a much longer and in-depth post, but my net decided to not let me post it. Grrr...

Also, how high can you raise your character level in Demon's Souls, 223? SERIOUSLY? And why did you put the first smart in quotation marks?
Peace

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___________
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 5:46:38 AM
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hey it takes time for anything new to catch on thats the point!
look at heavy rain, everyone was iffy on that with its QTE fest but now its one of the most popular games!
i really hope it gets a few GOTY awards to try and encourage developers to do something different, take a leap of faith.
instead of following the sheep off the cliff!!!!

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marcusfrommo
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 4:20:58 PM
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hey lawless? chill the efff out. i'm just talking as a casual gamer. grow up. by the way smart a@@, i didn't know mgs on the ps3 was the last one, i just liked it so much. by the way, on gow2, some people said that one was the most favorite of the 3. of coarse, that's your opinion. and castlevania's a gow rip-off, WHO CARES, don't play it if you don't like it. if that's your take on castlevania, then what about 1st person shooters? demon
souls will probably go down as the best sony rpg exclusive of all time. and (i don't know) i think worldwide they barely sold a million if that. fm23, geez, on the demon souls front,then don't purchase it if you don't want the sequel. did you get emotionally excited over twisted metal, i didn't. aside from sports games, why wouldn't companies make sequels to games that are popular? wii's bread and butter is 1st party exclusives. isn't an rpg genre a prequel or sequel at it's core. lawless, fm23, thanks for the critique, are we cool, i'm being serious.

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Lawless SXE
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 5:46:44 PM

Ah, I assumed that you were more knowledgable in the field of gaming, ergo, the ranting. I didn't say that GOW2 wasn't a great game, and it was my favourite of the series, but it didn't need to happen, and that's my problem with it.

As I stated, I probably will play Castlevania, and I will reward it on its own merits, but it seems that way to me right now. First person shooters. I've got Resistance 1&2, Killzone 2 and Bioshock in my library, all quite different games in the same genre, but I am very selective and try to make sure that if I am buying games in the same genre that they are different. R:FOM is arcade-ish fun, KZ2 is intense given gaming form and BS is horror.

I think Demon's Souls only sold a half-mil, but as for best sony exclusive RPG, probably not, maybe best PS3 exclusive RPG.

A company wouldn't make a sequel to a popular game out of willpower (I had a better word but it slipped my mind, I think it started with C). If it doesn't need one, then one shouldn't be made, but unfortunately all the see are the dollar signs.

And what's this about RPG's being sequel or prequel at the core?

Are we cool? You told me to grow up, so no, we are not. :P
Peace marcusfrommo.

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marcusfrommo
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 11:16:02 PM
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fine, i take that back. are we cool now? by the way, as far as the best ps3 rpgs go, exclusive or not, it would be, ff13. you?

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Lawless SXE
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 12:26:55 AM

That last comment was meant as a joke... Obviously childish, but we always were cool. Internet animosity is kinda pointless and stupid if you ask me. As for the best PS3 RPG, I'd have to say Valkyria Chronicles thus far. I haven't played much of it yet, but it grabbed me and has held my interest through RDR. I haven't liked the ATB system of FFXIII (what I've played of it, but it is gorgeous and slick as hell).

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marcusfrommo
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 11:48:37 PM
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that game would probably go down as the best looking rpg period. to the onscreen menus, the character models, the in game cut scenes, the full motion video scenes. i think overall, ff13 looked better than gow3. grand pulse alone was bigger than all of gow3 alone. mind you, it took 4 to 6 six years to make ff13 as opposed to 3 years for gow3. how both games filled up about 35 to 40 gigs of space on one disc, is a mystery to me. (i know i've said this before)if that game was exclusive, they would have promoted and advertised the heck out of it. and the ff13 ps3 designed console would have been brought to the states and maybe europe. other than the konami mgs (a gray 40 gig ps3 that came with the game) which was only available on there website retailing at 600 to 800 dollors, SONY HAS NEVER RELEASED A PS3 designed console. other than halo and gears, i haven't seen so many products based on that game alone. to the 100 dollar music cd set, action figures, to the elixer soda cans with ther faces on them. wordwide,

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marcusfrommo
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 12:03:42 AM
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it would have sold a million copies at least anyway. also, they had a collectors edition game. the ff13 console was sold for 600 to 750 overseas, but if it was sold for 300 to 400 dollors (and or ncluded the collectors edition), man, that could have sold double or triple the ff13's. oh well, what's yours favorite rpg for ps3. is it fallout? oh, by the way, if you want to, give me your ps3 address. if not, i'll still enjoy chatting with you. sorry, it's in segments, i'm doing it on my ps3. see ya.

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Lawless SXE
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 12:50:43 AM

My PSN ID hasn't been used in well over a year. No broadband internet connection ya see? If I still had it I'd definitely add you, but too bad. I think the reason that GOW3 filled up so much space on disc was that it had a lot of action backgrounds, which, I assume, uses a lot more space than a static background. As for Sony advertising FFXIII, I don't think they would have. Sony advertises nothing, and certainly not a third-party game.

Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't FFXIII sold 5.5mil worldwide with a ratio of about 5:1 for ps3 sales vs 360 sales? I don't think that a specially designed console would have pushed those numbers any higher, and while a collectors edition would have sold like hot-cakes, it would have been aimed at the market that would have bought the game anyway.

I think we got a bit far off-topic here, so I'm going to let this sleeping dog lie from here on out.
Peace.

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ExhumeART
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 12:39:36 AM
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The possibility of a sequel still remains. The only certain fact is that no sequel will be released soon. Demon's Souls 2 on the PS4 might be nothing short of a stretch, but in all honesty, I'm perfectly content with Demon's Souls as it is. Nothing beats coming home from a hard day at work, putting on a Maudlin of the Well or Kayo Dot CD, and just collecting souls.

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marcusfrommo
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 4:34:59 AM
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if ff13 was exclusive they would. heck, the advertised the heck out of mgs and sold a lot of the mgs ps3 console editions. and i heard that even at 50 gigs of space on the disc, they still had to edit some gameplay out. by the way, i strongly recommend you rety ff13 and GET THE STRATEGY GUIDE. the strategy guide is gorgeous and unlike wkc, it has info on the in game quests. i hear this all the time "well ahhh, there's no towns, no people to talk to, your fully healed after each battle (whatever0 and everything you buy is at the save points." well that's true but, it's very refreshing. you probably feel the need to buty 2 things, a health and a revive item, that's pretty much it. sometimes you get that just from winning battles. you don't have to be stuck in a castle not knowing where to go and literally running out of your health or magical replenish items. i think your inactive characters get just as much experience points to upgrade your characters paridigm as your active characters. as in the fighting mode, once you purchase your upgrade, you can use it whenever you want, without having to replenish anything.i bet they promoted the heck out of this game in japan. with all of the detailed (i didn't quite get it) storylines, in game cutscenes, and full motion video, you'd think there would be a manga or anime for ff13 in the works. heck, did you see the english dubb version off valkerie chronicles? it's based off of the game. i know i shoudn't be saying this, but i found lightning to bee so sexy and the lady to be in second comand to the major villian, i mean fang, venille and snow's fiancee are hot as well. maybe it's the very good voice dubbing and lip synching. your thoughts.

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Lawless SXE
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 5:12:56 AM

My thoughts, I just played another hour and a half of FFXIII. I don't mind that there are no towns or people to talk to, but I don't understand S-E's comment of it taking far too much time to detail each character. There were dozens of characters in the scene at the bar, and I'd have been happy with less detail than that for the entire game. And I know that was a cutscene, but still, they've got the models haven't they?

The paradigm system I only just unlocked and it quickly went on to do my head in. I mean wouldn't it just be easier to do a standard branching tree system than a great circle?

As for the shops, I have not yet bought a single item. I'm fine with what you get dropped from the battles and the treasure spheres.

It's not that there's anything wrong with the game, it's just that it has all these niggling little things that are driving me batty. But no, it's starting to get a lot more interesting. I still prefer VC though, and as for your manga/anime idea, didn't I read here that someone was planning a prequel book or something as such?

I will not deign to respond to your comment on the hotness of the characters. Except to say that Vanille is nummy. I think we've hijacked this thread WAY too much, so this will seriously be my last post in this article. Find another one on topic in which we can continue this discussion and I gladly will.
Peace.

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NeotericDope
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 3:48:39 AM
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A sequel would be great. There is a lot of potential things they could add to make it better. In all reality Demon's Souls was pretty bare bones. Not that that is a bad thing, but in a sequel they could add many things. New levels/more levels, more spells/miracles, more NPC's, Side quests, More uses for souls, More stones/uses, Different upgrade paths for weapons that open more uses, A more developed storyline, With a bigger budget they could polish it, More developed MP, Deeper character customization, Armor customization/upgrades. I could go on and on. Demon's Souls is easily one of the better games this gen. I'm on NG++++ with one character. It's a great game for those who haven't played it. A word of advice. Play it as you would play if you were actually in the game. Play it as if you could be killed with one shot. It's easy if you're vigilant in being careful.

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