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Are PlayStation 3 And Wii Fans Polar Opposites?

I've always supported multi-console ownership. I feel naked with one console, even during my RPG craze of the original PlayStation era, when I basically despised the N64. Well, I loved the RPGs on the PC, too, so it was still technically "multi-platform," and ever since then, I've never only owned just one system. This is because there are always worthwhile games on all available consoles; the only question is whether there are enough of them - in your mind - to warrant a purchase.

Now, there have always been fans of particular consoles but at their core, even opposing fans are usually similar. They may have personal preferences, but they all tend to cherish and appreciate certain aspects of the industry. In looking at the PS3 and Wii, I realized that for the very first time, we might be looking at two extraordinarily different platforms that have spawned extraordinarily different followers; hence, we may be looking at two very different groups. The first comparison factor most will select is age, which is expected: the average demographic and target audience is indeed different for Sony and Nintendo, as both companies have plainly stated in the past. And you don't need that verification, either; anyone can see the distinct difference in target audience simply by opening their eyes. But this goes well beyond that...look at the consoles in question.

One claims to continually push the industry forward via cutting-edge technology and wishes to produce the software that defines progression and excellence. The other openly admits to not competing on the same technical level, while at the same time initially offering something new in motion sensing, and providing old and new gamers with widely accessible entertainment. I have no statistics to back it up, but I absolutely guarantee that more non-gamers have bought a Wii than any other console in history; it dragged in those who never played games before, from the ages of 8 to 88. That's nothing trivial and we all have to accept that it's quite the accomplishment and - perhaps indirectly - can be considered a boon for the industry on the whole. Those Wii-only casual gamers may get more involved and wish to dive in deeper, when Sony and Microsft will instantly benefit.  It has probably already happened.

So maybe in time, Wii fans will become more similar to PS3 and 360 fans but right now, I think we're not only looking at different audiences, we're looking at different audiences that value very different things. The Wii aficionados will quickly get all defensive and say they like "fun" and Nintendo does "fun" and doesn't waste time with uber-insane technicals. But that's an inherently faulty argument as I honestly believe I've had plenty of FUN with my PS3 and 360 titles; arguably far more FUN than I would have had with most any Wii title. "Fun" is entirely subjective, of course. But you can add nostalgia and classic gaming into this argument, as Nintendo has stuck to their guns (Mario, Zelda, Metroid, etc.) throughout, and we've started to see new franchises, heroes and mascots from the other two. Lastly, online play being as huge as it is, that pretty much leaves the Wii out of the conversation, which sets the Wii even further apart.

All I know is that any time I ever talk to anyone who only owns a Wii, they are either an admitted casual gamer (to the point where they never played video games before the Wii), or they have very little interest in "cutting-edge" and anything of that sort. I can't recall a time in history when any fan of any console wanted things that are so very...different. That's all.

Tags: ps3 fans, wii fans, ps3 wii comparison

6/21/2010 12:19:39 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (101 posts)

piratedrunk
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 12:58:24 PM
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Great article. While I agree that in a broad sense the audiences are quite different I can say that it is because the PS3 and Wii are so different that makes me appreciate both so much.

I play all kinds of games so with both systems I can play absolutely anything that fits my mood. I think they compliment each other very nicely.

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eLLeJuss
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 8:24:06 PM

LoL Most of the Wii fans don't appreciate other consoles because Wii is the only console there parents buy them(Kids).

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Scarecrow
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 11:12:13 PM

@piratedrunk,

Exactly!
The xbox has always just been a Playstation clone.

Nintendo's consoles have always been unique. You always know you'll get something different with the Wii compared to the ps3/360

@eLLeJuss,

Not true, as Ben noted, the Wii has been bought by EVERYONE, from age 8 to age 88

So this whole "kids" notion is pure BS

I think those who only a Wii just prefer the artistic/colorful games and don't really give a damn 'bout shooting your friend in the head online.

Simple as that

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Jawknee
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 1:00:49 PM
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"I have no statistics to back it up, but I absolutely guarantee that more non-gamers have bought a Wii than any other console in history"

I concur. The Wife and I have been house hunting, we've seen about 30 something houses and just about every one of them had a Wii. No PS3's or Xbox360's.

I also agree most who only own a Wii are not core gamers. My dad for example, he wanted a gaming system, i told him to go with the PS3 because he also likes HD but because of the price(at the time) and what he perceived as the "fun factor" he opted for the Wii. Well he never plays it and is now asking me what do look for when buying a PS3. ha!

I wanted to the best of the best. Seems PS3/Wii is the best combo you could go with considering just about every game on the Xbox is also on the PS3 and like piratedrunk said, they are so different.

Gears, Halo and Fable aren't worth the price of admission in my opinion.

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frylock25
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 1:09:11 PM

gears and halo have games that can out do them on ps3 and fable is about the only game i want to play on 360. with all the great content on the ps3 i dont think i will have time to even worry about trying that game.

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Jawknee
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 1:13:57 PM

I watched a friend play Fable II for about 2 hours. I Seriously didn't understand what was so great about it. The graphics are bad, the story seems dull and boring and the characters were irrelevant. I don't get it, probably never will.

Then again i don't understand why people fawn over any Xbox exclusives. Non of them hold a candle to PS3 exclusives and even some Wii games for that matter. The amount of color used in Nintendo Made games alone beats most of whats on the Xbox.

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frylock25
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 1:44:46 PM

what it seems to me is that the people playin the 360 games talkin down about the ps3 didnt have the money to buy the ps3. now that they are so deep in with the 360 buying crappy games and add-ons to the system they dont want to give up that glimpse of it being "the system they always wanted"

hell they still think natel will be the bomb that finally kills the ps3

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 4:47:46 PM

At least your dad can game, mine is a Dinosaur, he just can't do it.

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just2skillf00l
Tuesday, June 22, 2010 @ 6:20:07 PM

Fable is one of the greatest games I've ever played. I'm a sucker for narration, story, RPG elements, aging, swords, and magic. I can't say that everyone will like it but I do know why the series is successful and will continue. It's the only game series I really want for the 360 so I have successfully repressed my singular urge for the purchase. Fable is one of those games you have to play...just watching it isn't enough.

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frylock25
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 1:05:32 PM
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any time i have talked to anyone that owns only a wii, they talk about it like it is the greatest thing ever made because you have to get up and move to use it. i have tried telling them about the move but the just insist the wii is better. almost the same with people with xboxs and that natel/kinect crap. my buddy think that will be so awesome. his words exactly "we just wont be able to do shooters". how ironic when thats almost all that broken box is known for.

most people i know with wii's have very few games for it and really dont use it unless its socially. my cousin and i are huge on our ps3's he owns a 360 (his third) also. we have played the wii really about one time at another cousins house of ours. it was not impressive.

my aunt owns a wii and she actually uses it on a regular basis. she plays online with a younger cousin of mine since they live states away from eachother. that same aunt actually bought a blueray player instead of a ps3 because she thought the blueray player would be better. just shows what kind of thinking some people have. my dad was looking into a new tv and blueray kinds of things. i told him how sony invented blueray and was pushing all this tech, 2 weeks later he went out and bought a 55' samsung and a ps3. sadly he is far from a gamer but i can hope to bring it back out after 20 something years of being dormant.

i would have to say that the wii attracts a much different minded person than the ps3. not to say some wont like both.

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Jawknee
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 1:10:10 PM

"most people i know with wii's have very few games for it"

I have very few games as well. =/ But i did play the crap out of all of them. My Wii collection grew to about 10 games while my PS3 only had two, but since 2008, i think i have only added two games to my Wii collection and about 20 to my PS3 collection.

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frylock25
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 2:29:08 PM

you know sometime in 2008 was when i remember the last time they announced a great game for the wii. about that time my buddy that had a wii (still does) realized he needed a ps3. his gf and him dont even touch it anymore. i still own my gamecube and and gba. i dont feel the wii has enough games for me to pay that much for the system. the finding a used wii at dirt cheap price sounds good lately. if only to get my ps3 back from my kid and gf. guess i could save the money and just hook up the gamecube.

did nintendo ever release that windwaker graphic redo??

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Jawknee
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 2:42:05 PM

I don't believe they did but i have been asking for a Wii Port of Wind Waker ever since it was rumored Metroid Prime 1 and 2 were coming to the Wii.

Nintendo needs to get on it! They started porting Gamecube games with Wii controls in 2008 i think.(though most of these have been Japan releases) Hopefully Wind Waker is in the works.

Wind Waker, Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks are my favorite Zelda titles to date.

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frylock25
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 2:50:50 PM

i still own the zelda pack with the four full games of zelda i got with my gamecube. it was the reason i got it. hell yeah ill pay $100 for a system and 4 great games. i have that gameboy player for the few gameboy games i have. but windwaker def was my fav hooking up my gba and sailing around. i wish i would have beaten that one. i could try to pick up my save file after like 4 years.

nintendo has given me a lot of gaming memories and it almost seems like it would be weird for them to change at this point. with everything going hi-def at this piont though they may have to step the game up soon.

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Jawknee
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 2:52:24 PM

Wii HD needs to happen.

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frylock25
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 3:47:24 PM

Wii hd is happening, its called PS3 with move support. ;)

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Jawknee
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 5:24:02 PM

Ha! this is true.

Oh, how i would love to play Skyward Sword in sweet 1080p goodness though!

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Alienange
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 1:06:28 PM
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Pac-Man, Centipede and Missile Command are the classics. Lousy graphics, poor sound effects and repetitive gameplay doesn't make Wii games "classic."

As a side note, nostalgia is not always a plus. Nostalgia makes you wish you were playing the beloved Nintendo games of yesteryear. The Wii has not filled that void and it has led to much frustration on the part of those who got a Wii hoping for a little positive nostalgia.

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Jawknee
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 1:08:59 PM

What games do you have for the Wii?

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Alienange
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 1:35:18 PM

Do you really want to know? I have quite a few.

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Jawknee
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 1:40:25 PM

I just wanted to get an idea of what you were playing on your Wii. You said they haven't filled the void.

Send me a message to my PSX inbox if you want to tell me. No worries if you don't.

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johnld
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 4:13:53 PM

my games for the wii, mario galaxy 1, smash bros, and new super mario bros wii....thats it. all my zelda games are on gamecube. i have over 40 ps3 games though. i just never found any good games to buy for the wii.

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Jawknee
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 5:16:33 PM

They have been few and far in between.

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Snicket
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 1:08:47 PM
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One of the best articles I have read here Ben, and that's saying something, well done.

I remember reading a survey that that studied how many hours people spent playing games on a platform (PS3, 360, Wii etc...) what the study found was that while more people bought a Wii, people spent more time playing the Gamecube (in terms of hours) than the Wii, in fact the Wii was dead last in terms of hours people spent playing it.

Now if you look at the Wii with that study and this article in mind, you can really get a clear picture of who is useing the wii and what for.

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ace_boon_coon
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 1:11:19 PM
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i admit the wii is fun. i had my mother sisters, and GF playing it and they all hate video games. but i've had way more fun playin my ps3.

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NeoHumpty
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 1:14:29 PM
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My Wii is good for a game of Mario with the family about once a week or so. I almost never play it when I have my gaming time unless I'm in the mood for some 20 year old NES games which doesn't happen often, but does happen. I have a hard time keeping up with ps3 releases as it is.

I'd love to see how many total hours I have in on ps3 vs. my Wii. Hell, I have 60 hours in as an Engineer alone on Team Fortress. I'd bet I don't have 60 hours total invested in the Wii.

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johnld
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 4:15:08 PM

ive spent 110+ hours on dynasty warriors gundam 2 and that game didnt really have much of a story and barely any multiplayer. i needed to play multiplayer because it needed to get the 3 online trophies for platinum.

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kraygen
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 1:38:34 PM
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I really don't understand people's obsession with wii, you can play most of their games sitting down, you barely have to move the controller at all, so what's the point.

Might as well just pick up a NES or SNES and get all the nostalgia, same graphics, and excitement as the wii.

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TEG3SH
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 1:44:27 PM

I can see where u're coming from, I hate the wii for different reasons never owned and I don't think I'll own a nintendo product, but again I said the same about M$ before ......

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Jawknee
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 1:48:50 PM

@Kraygen to be fair some of the games require more then just a flick of the wrist. Especially those being made with the Wiimotion Plus in mind.

As for the graphics, while they aren't the best they are better then the Gamecube and the PS2. Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 look great as well as Metroid Prime Trilogy. Its not a PS3 but it is much, much more then just and NES or SNES with motion controls.

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kraygen
Tuesday, June 22, 2010 @ 12:59:08 AM

@ jawknee

I'll believe most of what you say, however mario games can't really scream good graphics. It's a short cartoon character, nothing even remotely difficult about him in a graphic sense.

I've seen a lot of gameplay from wii games and never seen one that could compare to ps2 or gamecube.

Heck the new 007 goldeneye looks exactly like the n64 version. Wii is n64 graphics at best.

Show me a link if you've got a game that looks better, but I don't consider cartoons graphical feats of engineering, no matter how fun mario is.

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TEG3SH
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 1:42:38 PM
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360 and Ps3 for me is the best gaming experience ever

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Reccaman18
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 2:44:25 PM

And PC :)

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TEG3SH
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 2:51:05 PM

I'm not a big found of Pc gaming as I have a Mac I dont have many options but PVZ is awesome though

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Lawless SXE
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 1:49:42 PM
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I had a workmate commenting on how he got a Wii for exercise and it was going to help him work out and all this, I laughed at him.

My father was watching a piece on A Current Affair about how the Wii was in nursing homes helping to keep the oldies on their feet. He said it was a good idea and I told him it was a gaming console. He flipped the coin. Hypocrite...

I don't own a Wii personally and do not want to. It is not an exercise machine, despite common belief. It is not designed with the hardcore audience in mind. It is a social console. Something for parties and the novelty. That being said, there is a massive gap in the people that play the Wii exclusively and those that play the 360/ps3 exclusively. Would I say that it is completely different in terms of the thought processes, no. Why you ask? Both groups are willing to immerse themselves in the experience that is on offer, and while they may be completely different experiences, there is still that lingering mentality. Oh damn, I was going to write something else but it slipped my mind...
Peace.

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Underdog15
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 8:40:21 PM

I have a phys ed degree, and every time I hear people call it an "exercise machine", I laugh very hard on the inside. It's a gaming console that often requires you to stand and wiggle around a bit. I'm sorry, but it simply is not an exercise machine, nor is it an appropriate substitute for real exercise.

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Lawless SXE
Tuesday, June 22, 2010 @ 1:33:33 AM

I can't just laugh on the inside... I laugh at them for thinking any such ludicrous thing.
Peace.

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SvenMD
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 2:11:16 PM
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I agree with everything in the article except the last paragraph. Obviously that is just your own personal observation, but I think this site proves that some Wii owners are in fact hard-core gamers who have been playing for years and like the cutting edge as well. However, the reason most of us have it is because we are married, or have kids...which are the two main reasons to getting a Wii.

Now I can't say that I'm a big-time Wii player. I bought it for the wife and for parties...and I mainly play the Super Mario Galaxy games and then the Metroid Trilogy. And in my opinion those 5 games are worth the purchase of a Wii. All the other games are either too "kiddy" or they can be done much better on the PS3.

So I agree with Jawknee that the best combo is the PS3/Wii...it just keeps everyone happy. But honestly the Wii is in fact just for "fun", the PS3 is for the bad ass effin' awesomeness!!!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 3:04:35 PM

And yet, "awesomeness" is an equally subjective term in comparison to "fun." ;)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 5:21:25 PM

How about "The Sickness"? PS3 brings the sickness.

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ABUrabad
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 2:14:45 PM
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its simple the Wii isn't a console for hardcore gamers thats why we have 2 different followers for each console type
i don't have a Wii at home but i respect it for its originality and beside that the PS3 owns Wii a great favor i think,because i think when the Xbox was released a year earlier than a PS3 it had the
chance to get a lot more console owners that have transfered to the last generation consoles but lot of them preferred to transfer to Wii and that kept the console sale's figure of both Xbox and PS3 close for each other at this moment, without Wii i think that we would look a greater difference at the sale's chart in the favor to the Xbox

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Lawless SXE
Tuesday, June 22, 2010 @ 1:49:07 AM

I thought that the Wii was released only a few months before the ps3, so your logic may be broken, or I may be wrong.

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TheOldOne
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 2:16:41 PM
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The reason I bought the PS3 was because of the games and the blu-ray (I bought it when MGS4 came out). Two years later we bought the Wii, specially because of the casual games like Mario Wii and Resort, and also because of the Wii Fit (my wife loves it). I think like many others have said, that one console complements the other. Now the Move it's supposed to eliminate that need of another console to complement the PS3.

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Sol
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 2:28:13 PM
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I don't believe that the Wii isn't for hardcore gamers. I've had fun playing the Wii and enjoy some of the games on it. I don't play it that much seeing as I don't own one yet, but I want it and some of the games on it and the Gamecube. Also, the fact that I can download old Nintendo (and others'...) titles is appealing to me. True gamers must never forget their roots, and mine started with the NES and the Mario/Duck Hunt cartridge. There has never been a moment where I didn't enjoy a Nintendo console, but first and foremost I know what I want out of a console and get it for those reasons. I will purchase a black Wii at some point, just like I will a 360.

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frylock25
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 3:59:26 PM

i have worn a tshirt that has an old school nes controller on it and under it says "know your roots" for at least 8 years now. i love that shirt its all beat up and what not but i still wear it.

for as much nintendo stuff that i have i wish sony had some ps3 tshirts i could wear.

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NoSmokingBandit
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 2:29:18 PM
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As both a wii and ps3 fan, no i am not opposite myself. Though i'm more a fan of the games than the hardware. Mario Galaxy, Zelda, Smash Bros, Mario Kart... Sure its just a constant stream of mascot games, but they are still fun so i dont care.

I play games to have fun, not to brag about the technology under the hood. Thats why i have everything for God of War to World of Goo on my shelf. Fun is fun, screw the console wars.

I do not, however, have a 360. I find that most of the good "exclusives" will eventually show up on PC, so i havent found a need to buy a 360.


Imo, people need to appreciate what nintendo did with the wii a bit more instead of always making fun of it. The wii turned people into gamers who had never even thought about playing games before. Sony is pushing the industry upwards, and ninetendo is pushing outwards to new customers. A prefect compliment to each other if you ask me.

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frylock25
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 4:11:35 PM

you know we have a good balance with nintendo and sony. even back in the day, nintendo was bringing people into gaming. hell they brought sony into gaming. then sony realized they could do it themselves and started moving upwards with it. since ps1 sony has been moving upward by leaps where nintendo has been going for the growing younger audience. sony is doing a good job of upward and outward now though.

i grew up with mario, metroid and zelda. my daughter is growing up with sackboy, mag and ratchet & clank. im a little jealous.

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dveisalive
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 2:40:09 PM
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Japanese consoles rules FTW !!!!!!! screw 360 PS3 and Wii all day. But no they arent polar opposites they go best together for PS3 is adopting the Wii way now, which will be kick ass for sure. I cant wait to play Heavy Rain, Tiger Woods 11, and Socom 4 with my move :P Killzone 3 better have fix that horrible crosshairs, hopefully move makes it more acccurate for you just point it at your enemy. If that works out then im buying KZ3 day one. Wiimote and Movemote FTW :P

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Jawknee
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 2:42:42 PM

To be honest i would have rather seen Apple make a game console instead of MS.

At least with Apple you are getting quality hardware.

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frylock25
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 2:53:54 PM

the iphone will turn into an app playing console.

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NoSmokingBandit
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 3:18:48 PM

Apple's Xeon chips are the same quality as any other Xeon chip. Apple's cases are higher quality than most, but the silicon is the same as any other computer with the same specs.

And with Apple you'd probably end up paying 50% more for a weaker console.

And lets not forget the Pippin.

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TheOldOne
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 3:34:41 PM

I'm against apple entering the console wars. Maybe they can do a good job with the console technology, but the pricing and monthly fees would be through the roof (I think they would be charging playing online per minute)!

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Jawknee
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 5:21:44 PM

All i know is everything i have bought Apple is rock solid.

Over priced? Yes but their hardware is usually the goods. :P

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TEG3SH
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 5:31:30 PM

@NOSMOKINGBANDIT

dude when apple makes something it makes it the best, they were never interested in gaming so their macs are weak( compared to Pc's but they work 10x times better). if ur interested in computer gaming u should buy either Alienware or Mac pro

Apple makes the best hardwares out there, no one could come close not even the high respectable sony .
Iphone the best(although at first I hated it ), laptops the best and now the best tablet. U can call me an Apple fanboy but believe me I'm not, I call it as it is thats why Ps3 ranks supreme in consoles, BMW in cars and Apple in computers

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Phoelix
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 3:04:52 PM
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I have lost most of my respect for Nintendo in this generation--probably because as I get older and want a more "mature" game (take that to mean whatever you will), Nintendo continues to crank out games for 8-year-olds. I truly believe that they will _never_ release a mature game.

I also don't really believe that the Wii is a good gateway drug for non-gamers to become gamers; that'd be like opening up a WWF-style (as in fake) wrestling arena in hopes that people will eventually get hooked on MMA or some other real fighting sport.

Since Nintendo decided to start making games for my grandmother, they decided not to make games for me.

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NoSmokingBandit
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 3:19:59 PM

True fun knows no age. Mario Kart is fun. YOu may dismiss it because it looks like a cartoon and actually has some color in it, but its fun. Plain, simple fun.

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Phoelix
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 3:25:46 PM

I didn't say that Nintendo's games aren't fun; I played Super Mario Galaxy, and the gameplay was fantastic. I appreciated all the little additions they made to the platforming of the many others.

That being said, I don't believe Nintendo is going to contribute anything other than a handful (wildly fun) games (that aren't new IP's) to the industry. They aren't going to make my mother actually respect video games; rather they'd affirm that they're just a bunch of games for little kids.

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NoSmokingBandit
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 5:04:04 PM

Just because a game is family-friendly doesnt mean its a "little kid game." LoZ is loved by many hardcore gamers of any age. Same with mario, etc. The nintendo mascot games arent by any means dumbed down. There are some parts in LoZ and Mario Galaxy that made me curse nintendo because of how difficult it was.
I grow tired of people discounting games as "kid games" just because it doesnt feature grizzled space marines or stupidly deep weapon systems.

I dont even care if a game is geared toward 8 year olds. If its fun its fun, and thats all i care about.

Nintnedo contributes just as much to the industry as anyone else. Sony is blatantly ripping off Wii Sports, there have been countless Mario Kart clones, nobody has ever come close to the prefect balance of action and puzzle solving that LoZ gives us. So what if its an old IP? Things dont have to be new for it to be good. Twisted Metal has been aroudn for ages and people are still excited about it. Gran Turismo has been around almost as long yet nobody bashes Sony for bringing up an old IP.

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TEG3SH
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 5:42:58 PM

@smokingBandit

although I disagree with you on anything u said against nintendo, as soon as I saw TM I was like hell yeah this guy knows what he is o about, yeah i'm a sucker for TM

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Phoelix
Tuesday, June 22, 2010 @ 9:52:01 AM

I guess we agree to disagree, then.

(I wasn't too much of a fan of the two Zelda games I played (Wind Waker and Twilight Princess))

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Alienange
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 3:15:20 PM
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Interesting that you touch on the online multiplayer aspect of the Wii. It's there, but it's so gimped as to be useless to the casual gamers who bought up the system. Mario Kart's separate channel is cute but if it weren't for Monster Hunter Tri I'd have thought real online play was impossible with the Wii.

For a while there it was looking like Nintendo only added wifi to the Wii to facilitate the sale of dlc.

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Jawknee
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 5:19:53 PM

Playing games online is crap. I was looking forward to playing Tatsunoko vs Capcom online.

Not happening.

The only game i have been able to play online for an extended amount of time with little to no lag is Smash Bros.

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CharlesD
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 3:57:32 PM
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I own both a Wii and a PS3, soo where does that put me? However, I must say I far prefer the PS3, hardly ever even start up the Wii and overall believe that Sony has a better system. I will readily admit that Wii games are fun, but they don't hold the same quality of "fun" as PS3 games do, for me at least.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 5:11:20 PM

I'd say you've got it pretty much covered with both.

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FullmetalX10
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 3:59:53 PM
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I'm nekkid, meaning I only have one gaming console in my room, which is of course the PS3, now I also have a PC, but I don't(hardly ever) use it for gaming. The other console in the house is my younger brother's Playstation 2.

Moving on, I haven't enough reason to go out and spend my money on either other console on the market(wii or xbox). If I would want to play an xbox game I can find it on the PC, and I don't feel the need to play any of the xbox games nor wii games, I'm perfectly fine with what Playstation is offering.

But yeah, most people I know who own a wii just use it for parties and such events, they're just casual gamers, though I know a total of 2 people who actually have their version of hardcore gaming and are happy with it, and who am I then to take this away from them, they have no interest for the cutting edge, as was stated.

In the end I guess it will always be the same people seeking out the content most fitting to them on the console most fitting with them, and Nintendo and Sony both are fitting platforms for the people.
Oh yeah, and xbox for the twitchers.

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telly
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 4:32:06 PM
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like the article, but you left out one key demographic -- the TRULY hardcore among us who buy every last platform ;) In addition to our PS3s and 360s we have Wiis too! I've been curious enough to play a number of Wii games, but they never, literally NEVER, hold my interest more than a couple days, usually not more than a couple hours. My Wii isn't even plugged in right now -- it just sits in the bottom corner of my entertainment center. But there will be a game or two that make it worth holding onto for me -- new Zelda and Metroid? Yes please. And when I knock the Wii (or any other console for that matter), you can believe I absolutely know what I'm talking about, from experience.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 4:36:39 PM
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We need a Dreamcast 2.

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Juanalf
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 4:50:50 PM

The world needs a Dreamcast 2.Hasn't Sega by now made enough money to launch a new console!?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 5:09:44 PM

The problem is they don't think they can compete with both Sony and MS, but I think they should compete with Nintendo again instead.

They could have a move-like accessory, but instead of focusing on casual games, have the tech to bring in the multiplats, but do what the Dreamcast did best and that's "Arcade" style titles. Think of arcade game reboots in full HD.

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Jawknee
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 5:17:37 PM

I thought Nintendo acquired part of Sega...or was that just a license to put Sonic and Mario in a game together?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 5:20:29 PM

To tell ya the truth I don't know, there's so much incest since the old days.

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TEG3SH
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 5:36:44 PM

@Worlds

hells yeah another Dreamcast will be awesome, still have my old one and I still play it to this time :)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 5:38:45 PM

Damn right! I'm looking forward to the Dreamcast titles on PSN.

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TEG3SH
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 5:54:22 PM

do u know the dreamcast titles that will be released ??plz tell me it's either shenmu or space channel NO. 5 or chu chu rockets or DOA or berserk (I think) or the one with the Atv or Grandia 2 or Sonic or Crazy taxi orrr......etcccccc........please let their be a dreamcast 2 or sega pulls itself together and start delivering

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 6:22:28 PM

The only thing they have slated right now are Sonic Adventure and Crazy Taxi. But they would be nuts not to put Shenmue on there, I'd also like to see Skies of Arcadia. And I hope they polish them a little bit, though they may not need too. DC games actually hold up well on an HD TV.

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TEG3SH
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 7:13:06 PM

as much as this is a respectable lineup, we need shenmue,chuchu rockets, grandia 2 and skies of Arcadia. a polish would be nice but if not ill still be as happy as a clam

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Alistair
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 4:44:30 PM
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only.games.i.want.on.ps3.from360.is.fable&mass.effect

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 5:10:27 PM

that's one long website.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, June 22, 2010 @ 7:41:36 AM

spacebar broken?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 5:13:14 PM
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My TV has a PS3, a Xbox1, a PS2, and a Dreamcast hooked up to it. And the Xbox serves as a NES, Genesis, SNES, and N64, so I've got 8 systems all told, lol.

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TEG3SH
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 5:34:24 PM

How can it work all that never had an original XboX so I dunno, is it an emulator ???

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 5:40:32 PM

yeah, multiple emulators :) My dreamcast can emulate the NES and Genesis without mods, but it can't do the SNES or N64 so I modded the xbox1. (I think Ben has no problem talking about emulation here as long as it's ancient systems)

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TEG3SH
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 6:00:28 PM

lol, dude u got it all sorted, how much will I pay to play duck quak again... mu genesis died :(

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 6:24:20 PM

Google is your friend, Genesis emulators for PC are all over the place ;)

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TEG3SH
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 7:07:17 PM

I can't do that to my BBF bing( he sounds asian, I knw.lol). dude u just made me regret buying a mac

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Drodin
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 5:21:10 PM
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I am a Wii and PS3 fan. I couldn't say which console I have enjoyed more. I am exactly that type of person who would bring FUN to the argument. I play my PS3 a lot more often, and have a good enough time, but if I were to somehow quantify a Fun Per Hour (FPH) I have playing the games, Wii would probably be more fun, to me.

But once the flagship titles are done the Wii doesn't hold up to a longevity test. So over time the FPH begins to level out to about the level of the PS3, which is a steadier stream of good content.

Also, I just recently got a 360 thanks to the price drops, but have only really played Banjo Kazooie and Tooie on it so it's not fair to credit them for that Fun, it's still Nintendo's. But I don't have much interest for their 'flagship' titles, I was just tired of a handful of (RPG) exclusives I couldn't get anywhere else, not Halo or any other FPS junk.

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Shams
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 5:37:16 PM
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The biggest thing that the Wii and the ps3 have in common to teach other, besides motion controls, is they both have quality first-party exclusives. Granted, some 3rd party games come quite close to first-party development, i.e. R*, but they are the exception, not the rule.

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AcHiLLiA
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 10:31:15 PM
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Nintendo and Sony ftw, die xbox. Even though I own a PS3, I still love the great classics from Nintendo.

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Scarecrow
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 11:24:21 PM
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Opposites in a good way

I think the ps3 and Wii compliment each other
I'd rather own a console that preaches exclusives and is very unique than mainstream console like the 360 which is just a PC masked to look like a console.

I know all consoles are basically PCs, but the way their designed says a lot. The 360 is designed with an online subscription in mind, voice chat, and a WHOLE lot of FPSs. <---Isn't that what defines PC gaming? (ok maybe add RTS and MMOs), but other than that, it's basically a PC.

The Wii will always appeal to those who are not afraid to explore a colorful world that is.......FUN

Muramasa, No More Heroes, Klonoa!, yeah those are the real deal!

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DemonNeno
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 11:37:17 PM
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Indeed, the enthusiasts of the PS3 and Wii are very different. I think this is why so much is pitted against the PS3s' closer rival; the xbox fans. For some odd reason, most can't accept both consoles, as if it's against their religion. I feel more hatred towards MS than I do the Xbox, personally.

I've played on the Wii and can tell you for sure that the library is very limited to me. Not because much isn't available but it's due to the fact that little interests me. If anything, the motion control upsets me. It's integration with many d-pad games makes me feel like I'm having a temper tantrum rather than utilizing the controls.

It's just.. Childish. The bland feel for what you're doing, the poor response of controls which ultimately lead to forgiving & sometimes undesired responses and most importantly has to be the titles.

Now, I don't hate the Wii. I think Nintendo did a fine job at sticking to their own basics. It just never got off the ground with titles adults would enjoy. It never had controls that made me, as the player, feel like I am in control. It just plain ole made me want to bust out in anger at the lack of control!

Sony has more going for its' iteration of motion control that Nintendo has ever put the effort to produce. I think the Move will indeed bring the two consoles closer to one anothers' realms, but will ultimately succeed at keeping the masses of all ages, shapes and sizes much happier.

BTW, Online multiplayer to me is not a great selling point. As an avid gamer who never has enough seat time to get remotely near as good at a game as those who dedicate free time strictly to gaming, I am never happy with the experience of online gaming. It makes me realize how little it is about having fun and how stern some of the competition likes to be. Now, I've enjoyed a few things online. I've done some SFIV online with mixed results, but it was still enjoyable. That is as far as my enjoyment as led me.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, June 22, 2010 @ 12:14:58 AM
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Identity plays a big part of this, I believe. The content that Nintendo advertises directly influences the sort of audience who will buy into it. Sony and Microsoft market much of their content after the manner of hollywood blockbuster movies. Nathan Drake, Cole, Kratos, Snake, Master Chief, Marcus and gang, and many others are characteristic of the icons that would represent an epic movie directed by someone like Ridley Scott or Jerry Buckenheimer.

For myself, I happen to disagree that the Wii and Sony platform are best for each other. As Microsoft, in contrast to the Wii, puts out a far greater offering of content that looks and plays like the games I want to spend my time with.

Fanboys need to get passed who's writing who's paycheck and realize that playing the sort of content we want to engage in matters most. Not blind loyalty to a corporation trying to make a profit.

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, June 22, 2010 @ 12:56:43 AM

Quality > identity

Nintendo has better quality than Microsoft

Most of 360's games are multiplatform or milked out series like Halo and Call of D00ty

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Temjin001
Tuesday, June 22, 2010 @ 1:18:28 AM

*hangs and nods head left and right towards Scarecrow*
I simply can not think about what you stated without a dozen red lights flashing.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, June 22, 2010 @ 7:39:27 AM

Although it would have been cool for him to elaborate further, I'm with Scarecrow on this one.

It's all well and good that 360 apparently offers you more of the type of game you appreciate, and for that reason alone, you also have a good point, Temjin001. However, I don't really feel like Master Chief and Marcus et al are very memorable characters... especially compared to the other names in your list. Nathan Drake is a far more colorful and intelligent character than the two aforementioned individuals, and Kratos, although not a very DEEP thinker, is far more bada$$.

I think, as Ben mentioned in this article, quality goes beyond graphical quality, and even if it didn't, Gears and Halo are far from groundbreakers. Especially as their series progress to further titles. In terms of overall quality, I think you can assess the Wii system and many of it's games, far more reliable than the 360, and in some cases, the PS3. I believe most of that has to do with the lack of new technology to work with, however, it's not like Wii owners have to worry about a RROD or YLOD.

In the end, though, the only thing I really have to 100% disagree with your direction on was this comment:

"Fanboys need to get passed who's writing who's paycheck and realize that playing the sort of content we want to engage in matters most. Not blind loyalty to a corporation trying to make a profit."

I don't even think I need to construct a full blown argument. Plain and simple rebuttle is, you're using this argument to defend Micro$oft against PS3+Wii fanboyism. Additionally, I think the Wii does give appropriate content to it's target audience. If you want to have lots of shallow shooters in your collection, by all means, continue with your 360 fandom (not fanboyism. I didn't say that.) But Scarecrow doesn't raise red flags with his comment. It's the start of a decent argument.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, June 22, 2010 @ 10:00:42 AM

The audience Nintendo and Sony are catering to are different. Sony's publishing efforts reach a more diversified audience. However, Sony has content that appeals to a Nintendo'esque crowd with games like Modnation Racers and Little Big PLanet etc. Sony and Microsoft offer a lineup up of games that appeal to a broader range of interests that define the identity of their platform. Nintendo's content largely falls into a Disney-Pixar'esque demographic.

Everything I stated (and before) has been independent of quality.

I will not engage in a quality debate. It wasn't my point.

Scarecrow's comments were not a start of a good argument. An argument should at least have substantiated claims.

"Quality > identity"
The topic wasn't ever this. Okay, maybe a misunderstanding. Can you at least list the great quality games that Nintendo offers?

"Nintendo has better quality than Microsoft"
Halo, Fable, Forza, Alan Wake, Banjo are all quality MS published titles. If when including near-exclusive content: Splinter Cell Conviction, Mass Effect, Bayonetta-kinda-sorta, Gears of War.
The Mario's, Zelda's, and Metroid's I've played have also been quality.
Quality+content = play
There are many quality games out there. More than I could ever play. I'll pair up quality with the kind of content I want to view.

"Most of 360's games are multiplatform or milked out series like Halo and Call of D00ty"
Most of any platforms content is multi-platform.....
Is Halo anymore milked out than the sea of Zelda's and Mario-spinoffs?


And Underdog, I agree my last statement about fanboys wasn't necessary, or really part of my original thoughts. THough, I do believe there's some truth to be had from it.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, June 22, 2010 @ 12:49:33 PM

Oh for sure, there's truth to substantiate it. There certainly is a huge fanboy push that can often be frustrating to read about.

I think, though, that beyond quality (an often subjective ideal, it seems), Nintendo's catered to demographic is unique enough that, although Sony can offer the same types of experiences as Nintendo, it appears to be an economical gaming solution for people not typically into gaming. As ludicrous as it seems, PS3 and XBOX 360 have a lot to offer, but most of it isn't what those types of people want. So they go with something that is strictly along the lines of what they were thinking of.

You and I both know, I think, that PS3 SHOULD be the ideal solution with all it offers. (Why people get a blu-ray player as opposed to PS3 is beyond me. Might as well just get a dvd player for cheap.) PS3 offers the casual gaming titles, as well, but nearly with as much quantity as the Wii. Additionally, it's the more core gamers that are typically catered to, so a Wii fan would probably say the PS3 is too intense. They just want a simple and fun machine that they can play on occasion. It's a unique situation. Unique enough to warrant an entire article and comment section like this!

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Robochic
Tuesday, June 22, 2010 @ 1:17:58 AM
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I have the PS3/Wii combo @ home, I use the PS3 hell of alot more so do the kids, but I love Zelda and other old nintendo games so I do play it now and again.

honestly I only buy quality not popularity and Sony and Nintendo have always always been true to the customers and always had quality hardware, I've never had to replace (knock on wood) any console that I've owned except my PSP but that was me not watching my son with it and falling down 3 flights of stairs so thats my fault.

I do agree Nintendo needs to move their butt into gear and make more Wii games I haven't added to my collection in over a year, I do look forward to the new Zelda coming out but I would love more games.

For Sony whats their to say year after year they bring out amazing games, hardware, and perphials for the PS3 and I couldn't be more happy with my PS3.

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___________
Tuesday, June 22, 2010 @ 6:25:01 AM
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what? hell no!
i know heaps of people who have both a ps3 and a wii and enjoy them equally.
all the guys in my tafe classes all 50 of them all have gaming PCs, wii, 360 and PC.
almost everyone i know has all 3.

its because they offer such different games to each other.
the ps3 gives you hardcore violent state of the art games like uncharted 2 or GOW3.
the wii gives you casual fun games like mario kart or the conduit.
both cross over slightly, like ps3 has some kids games ala LBP and the wii has some hardcore violent games like mad world. but they certainly have their mindsets.

8 days and im getting rid of my PSP and getting a wii.
i dont use my PSP anymore, the last time i turned it on was last month when i went away to QLD, before that it was last freaking year!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sony really need to start supporting the PSP better, i mean the only game coming out on PSP is GOW GOS thats it 1 game, 1 game in comparison to the 10s the wii, 360 and ps3 have to offer.

the only reason the PSP sells so well is because of the ease of piracy and availability of games and emulators.
without those it would of sunk like the titanic!!!!!

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ffyfe7
Tuesday, June 22, 2010 @ 9:37:26 AM
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I have just a PS3 (which just broke for the 3rd time, 2nd YLOD)and i'm happy with it. I mean I may get a 360 down the line but I feel no need for the Wii currently. I have a mate who would follow Sony off a freakin cliff(and I mean nearly all of his appliances are Sony) and he can't see each console for its merits. I prefer the PS3 but I don't hate the 360 or Wii. I just prefer Sony for the games etc but it also brings back a lot of nostalga for me as I remember getting a PS1 for Christmas and Crash Bandicoot 3 : Warped...also my dad owning me on Medal of Honor. Those were great times and unfortunatly with all of the fanboy wars going on it seems no one can just be happy with they console THEY want.

PS - Also who misses the days of almost every game having splitscreen multiplayer?

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Phoelix
Tuesday, June 22, 2010 @ 9:52:51 AM

I miss those days. It's really the best way to play.

Did you see though that Twisted Metal will have this? That pleased me.

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SmokeyPSD
Tuesday, June 22, 2010 @ 12:38:13 PM
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I agree but for a different reason. The games are just for the majority, very childlike. I feel I grew out of Nintendo along time ago. I like very intense works of media and Nintendo just doesn't offer that, never has.

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