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Activision Wants Significant Install Bases For Move, Kinect

Price is always a concern whenever new technologies are introduced, so game publishers are probably right to question the price tags for PlayStation Move and Kinect.

According to a recent Gamasutra interview with Activision COO Thomas Tippl, the world's biggest video game publisher is adopting a "wait-and-see" attitude for both new motion sensing technologies. Obviously, if there's a significant price barrier, any games Activision (and any other publisher) make for those fresh motion systems are susceptible to poor sales. And not surprisingly, Activision doesn't like the idea of any game selling badly. Said Tippl:

"I think as a publisher, you have to be concerned about how the price drives a lot of the outcome of how big of an install base there's going to be [for hardware]. The bigger the install base, the more likely that you can make sense out of your investment. So, the lower the price, the better. In this economic environment, it's probably more important than ever."

As of now, the PlayStation Move bundle featuring the PlayStation Eye is set at $99.99; individual Move controllers will retail for $49.99 and the Navigation controller will go for $29.99. There will be other accessories available as well, including the nifty shooting accessory that is set to retail at $19.99. Microsoft's Kinect has been recently priced at $149.99 but unlike with Move, there won't be an additional cost for more players. Either way, it's an expensive proposition for most gamers and Tippl believes that while both offer great opportunities for "certain games," they'll "have to see how much of an install base they're going to develop."

Although we aren't necessarily the biggest fans of motion sensing, we have to admit to being semi-impressed with the Move presentation at E3. Some of those experiences could be uber-fun...

Tags: playstation move, kinect, pricing

6/23/2010 9:09:48 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (63 posts)

BikerSaint
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 @ 9:32:20 PM
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<<<<Said Tippl:
So, the lower the price, the better. In this economic environment, it's probably more important than ever.">>>>

Is that so????
So tell me exactly why is it that all of your games are still $60????

Nothing to see here folks, move along....just the usual same ole tired anti-vision propaganda, and hearty BS going on.

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Highlander
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 @ 10:55:01 PM

Don't forget how much they charged for The Ride accessory which was essentially a single game motion sensing controller. How they hell they have the gall to talk about Move and Kinect needing big install bases. How many 'Ride' controllers did they sell? Hypocritical gits.

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maxpontiac
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 @ 9:35:39 PM
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Even if Move is more expensive then Kinect, the facts remain clear..

Yes, PS Move may be around $50.00 USD more for a two player experience. However it offers three things now that Kinect doesn't.

Buttons for my real games that I can play on my couch if I want to.

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Highlander
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 12:06:57 AM

But from the point of view of a hardcore gamer, Move integrates better with hardcore type games, and their gaming experience is effectively single player since their multi-player action happens online. No need for additional controllers when you game online.

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Dancemachine55
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 7:03:19 AM

I believe MS is working on using both controllers and Kinect simultaneously for hardcore experiences, like shooters, RPGs and racers.

For example, using one arm to throw a grenade and both arms to melee attack, freeing up 2 buttons for additional purposes.

However, I have not heard of any attempt to utilise this. Fable 3 might, with voice recognition and all, but MS has focused almost solely on casual experiences with Kinect.

My money is on Move, and although I want Dance Central, $270 AU is waaaay too steep a price for both camera and game.

Slightly off topic, is it worth exchanging my 60GB 360 and getting $150 off a new slim 360? My wallet says no, but for a 360 console that finally does what the PS3 has done all along (wireless net, whisper quiet, fully equipped for additional peripherals, etc.) I'd just be another number for MS to boast, but the slim 360 is a decent looking console.

... will be interesting to see how it shows itself breaking down now that it CAN'T physically red ring.

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Orvisman
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 9:30:59 AM

Move is more expensive than Kinect? Not really. For a two-player experience, they cost about the same.

As for more than two players, I read an article that while Kinect will display as many people that there are in the room on the screen, for game play purposes, it can only "read" the limbs and body movements of just two.

Therefore, you would theoretically need two Kinects for three or more players, though I doubt running two Kinects simultaneously is doable.


@Dancemachine,

I just read an article that Dance Central could come to the PS3.

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Highlander
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 11:08:15 AM

@Dancemachine55

For the record, PSEye (or Eyetoy) equipped PS3s (and PS2s with EyeToy) have had voice control for years. The camera has an open microphone.

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maxpontiac
Friday, June 25, 2010 @ 10:36:42 AM

I agree Highlander. However, Move in my house is going to be a family thing.

Not just my wife and children and I, but my parents are all planning on coming over for Move Party.

I have shown them the videos off the PSN, and they have completely forgotten about the Wii. I have a PS Eye already, so I have yet to decide how I am going to buy the Move.

Regardless, we all can't wait!

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Scarecrow
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 @ 9:45:02 PM
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lol@the unresponsive/robot-like movements of Kinect

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StangMan80
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 @ 9:55:55 PM
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Kinect sucks period
Yes games should not cost $60 but GT5 is the only exception, heck I'll even pay more for it.

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Scarecrow
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 @ 9:59:40 PM

Same

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DeathOfChaos
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 3:25:20 AM

I'm going to laugh if it comes out for like $80 now that you said that, lol.

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dkmrules
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 @ 9:59:43 PM
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Kinect honestly makes you look like a freaking TOOL!!

this is what it its destiny will be.

http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/ob/kinect_header_wm.jpg

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kraygen
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 @ 11:36:23 PM

I love the dude kicking the baby tiger. LOL!

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JackC8
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 7:29:56 AM

LOL, I think Dance Central is my favorite :)

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MyWorstNightmar
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 12:37:34 PM

I like the Mom dumping 3 feet in the air. Ok, so if you live in an apartment, you can expect a lot of knocks on the door, and angry neighbors wondering why you are stomping around constantly.

Not only that, but if you live in a two story house, and your kids are jumping around upstairs while playing the Kinect? No thanks!

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apexwolf
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 @ 10:04:37 PM
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i would much much much rather pay and extra $170 for 4 Move's and Navigation's then get the stupid Kinect.

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natho86
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 @ 10:14:13 PM
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I will be getting move day one. Socom and hoping like hell they patch move to demon souls will be insane.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 @ 10:15:36 PM
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Activision likes to make their own peripherals so of course they don't like these. That Tippl guy is a effing d*ck. He blames their bad PR on "a small but vocal minority" that are upset at their pricing. Kotex anyone?

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The X Factor 9
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 @ 10:27:41 PM
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I'm just going to wait for a sale on accessories before buying the PlayStation Move. I've seen many instances where you can get 20-25% off plus free shipping at Gamestop. I can live with that price.

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 @ 10:49:54 PM
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HMMMMM,
I wonder how MS's Kinect is going to work out with the new 360 Squat, especially since the new Squat wasn't even out for 48 hours and the very first report of REOD(Red Eye Of Death-no more rings, only a center light now) was reported, & videoed too.

I'm thinking that if your new Squat goes all crispy critter on you, it will also set your Kinect sizzling like a nice fireplace log, but only a wee bit more miniature sized.

Anyway, it seems that the new Squat is just like a "First Alert Early Warning Fire Alarm System" and it's nice enough to alert you now with a written warning message, & then it even knows when it's about to croak, so it now shuts itself off before it can make it over to console hell (that should be very nice while heavily in a long grinding level of FFXIII, and losing all that valuable time, don't ya think?).

OK, I'm now thinking MS should have just gone with the much better warning system from 2010 Space Odyssey, and utilizing cross-game voice chat.....
"I can't allow you to play your games, HAL"


Wow there MS, nice of you to warn your new Squat buyers that their new machine are about to burn up, instead of wasting your time on pesky owners by fixing the very problem that's been plaguing your machines since their very creation. And that's all been very well documented for over 4 years now, hasn't it?

So way to go MS, you're about to get a place all your own in the Guinness Book of World Records for this hottest new waffle-iron chip-set too.

New 360 Squat Now Warns Of It's Own Doomsday

http://kotaku.com/5568492/new-xbox-360-warns-you-of-possible-doom


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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 @ 11:20:51 PM

Wow, I looked at more comments and videos, what another piece of crap. And people still stand by that console for some reason.

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kraygen
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 @ 11:39:51 PM

Yes I've already seen lots of testimonies and video's of the new 360 burning up.

Must be fun in the middle of a level with no place to save, I see ppl all over the world screaming "Don't die yet, I gotta saaaaaave!"

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Scarecrow
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 1:44:00 AM

OMG! lol
People love throwing their money away on garbage.

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DeathOfChaos
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 3:43:29 AM

Just in case no one hasn't seen it (who hasn't?!?!), it also tears up game discs easier and faster than ever! And with more damage!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qblBGTtMMhY

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JackC8
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 7:43:33 AM

LOL, love the way it says it's protecting itself from "insufficient ventilation", as if it's the owner's fault and it's protecting itself from their stupidity.

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Highlander
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 11:10:38 AM

So basically they made a space heater with an auto-shut off feature?

I mean it's awfully nice that they finally implemented thermal protection in their system (something the PS3 has had since day 1 BTW), but wouldn't they have been better served by building a better cooling system? Typical Microsoft solution, instead of going to the root cause and redesigning at a low level, they band aid the flaw and wait for the next version.

::rolls eyes::

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kraygen
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 1:29:02 PM

I love how the fanboys are screaming about how you're not supposed to move the console while a disc is in it. That's not really the point.

What if someone bumps your console while you're playing, oh crap now you gotta buy a new game, no thanks. I'll stick with my ps3, it doesn't ruin my disc if it gets moved.

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NeoHumpty
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 @ 10:51:39 PM
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I'm looking forward to trying a FPS with the Move. I was playing Bioshock 2 today thinking how much it could improve the game. I'm guessing the movement acts as the R analog, so I'm not really sure if I'll like it more or not.

My living room really isn't big enough for me to try getting into golf or something with it.

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GuernicaReborn
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 @ 11:17:00 PM
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Does activision expect all of their games to sell like MW2? Not gonna happen guys. Whatever happened to catering to niche market? Is that above activision now? It's obvious that they want the smaller dev's to take the risk and make games for Move and Kinect. Once the smaller devs get some games out and sell some units, Activision will rush in MW2: Move edition. Nobody buy it, please.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 @ 11:21:55 PM

I think so, they seem to think there is a way to get MW2 numbers out of any old piece of crap.

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godsman
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 @ 11:21:18 PM
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First of all... the greedy Activisions always want EVERYTHING.

Second, Move probably cost $150 to get the full experience. $99 bundle + $50 move (Navigation controller is not required because Dual Shock 3 can be used if necessary).

Kinect is probably $149 as rumored. So it's a tie between both consoles.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 @ 11:22:27 PM

Except only one of the products work.

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Highlander
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 12:08:46 AM

I already have the PSEye and several dual shocks, so for me, the cost is $50, I suspect that is true for many here.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 @ 11:23:12 PM
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Will the Kinect come with a KKK outfit for my friends that don't wanna play?

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Highlander
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 2:14:21 AM

Nah, they must leave the room or Kinect will ASSume that they are players.

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dork02840
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 @ 11:25:32 PM
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the spin on this article seems anti-Activision. i get why people are upset with how IW left and how they were treated, but bottom line to me Activision is no different from EA. they want to make money and crank out a profit. i am sorry if i seem a bit biased, but i am. just because they are upfront about it minds they are pretty good at watching their bottom dollar. why invest in a tech that ultimately chokes? if kinect or move flat out bomb christmas sales included, then how can they justify including updates or download packs or implementation moving forward?

on an aside note Ben/Arnold, i am a tad peeved that we get this article an not a Transformers: War for Cybertron review. the game has garnered, 8, 8.5, and a 9 on 3 other sites. i hope it is not being snubbed here. i have played the title and can honestly say it is like Unreal Tournament in 3rd person. my only gripe is that your inventory for weapons is not that deep, and for some reason, the textures irk me. Megatron has this embattled metal look that to me just comes off looking grainy and kind of insults my HDTV. i am all for detail but it seems like he might have been overdone. i initially did not like the game because i admittedly had not read the manual. i had just gotten off work. I did not know how to cycle threw weapons or that you could. my only other concern lies in the friendly team AI, they often race ahead instead of helping to pace the player and sometimes go out of view. a map would have been nice just to get a feel for friendlies and enemies. overall i give this game a solid 8.5. i cannot give it a 9 due to the fact that i cannot use the online component at this time. so that must wait.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 1:02:43 AM

I'll try to review it.

And there is no slant to the article.

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Highlander
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 2:14:57 AM

The slant is in the reader comments...

;)

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kraygen
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 @ 11:43:53 PM
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This is what I would expect someone from activision to say, they always look down on everything every one else does, but expect you to pay out your life savings for their ridiculous crap.

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Robochic
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 1:22:48 AM
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the move is great from what I have seen and read, I already have the pseye so all I need are the controllers :)

Kinnect looks retarded and I have heard from my friends that the new 360 slim model is over heating horribly, my one friends got one the other day pluged it in played and got a great message saying it had to shut down due to overheating I was like dude just get a PS3 already thats like u're 4 xbox he says he's invested so much money into the xbox stuff that it's not worth getting a ps3 and starting over (palm Slap) sometimes I wonder ...

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Highlander
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 2:15:42 AM

That sounds like a dictionary definition of a facepalm moment...

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dkmrules
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 2:26:28 AM

haha some people never learn. Its like the sheeple that have iphones that upgrade every time a new one is released(no offense intended)the fact that apple can get away with releasing something that is incrementally better that before, yet still sell a crapload of them on marketing hype alone is sad. The Kinect (hopefully) won't end up the same way. Im banking on people getting it, then realizing they bought a $150 gimmick to look like idiots on coke when they use it, chances are it will fall into obscurity.

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DeathOfChaos
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 3:35:45 AM

I've been waiting to hear something about the slim being worse at overheating, lol. First I thought they were bypassing the red ring of death by making it the red DOT of death instead, but instead, they use an error message TELLING you to shut down the console?!?! XBox is dead, lol. They might as well just give up while they still can xD

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Lawless SXE
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 2:14:58 AM
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@Dork,
There is a user review section over there <<< if you want to use it. Also, remember 3 writers/reviewers etc. Small chance of reviewing every game.

On topic now. Of course Activision wants a large install base for these new peripherals as that is how they will make their money from them. Oh wait, what's this about them wanting to charge $70US for MW2. It seems rather hypocritical for them to be complaining about the price of these peripherals. And besides, are they going to try to make multiplatform games with Kinect and Move, because I really don't see that working. They are completely different interfaces, so unless they're going to focus on Kinect/PSEye, which is still unfair as the Eye doesn't have the same grunt, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

But then, this is Activision, should I be expecting them to make any sense? Also, I'd definitely consider EA to be a better company than AV. New IPs TYVM.

On another point, I was talking to an X-break loving friend of mine, and telling him about Kinect and what can be done with it. He sat there with a blank look on his face and said 'Yeah, but what's the point?' I laughed like nothin'. He got slightly interested when I told him about the Forza integration. Then I reminded him thaty GT5 was coming out soon and he got jealous and started saying how he thought GT6 would be on the 360, which only made me laugh harder.
Peace

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Highlander
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 2:17:11 AM

"Then I reminded him thaty GT5 was coming out soon and he got jealous and started saying how he thought GT6 would be on the 360, which only made me laugh harder. "

Priceless!

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Orvisman
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 9:37:43 AM

From what I've read, Forza Kinect will have automatic acceleration. What fun!

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Highlander
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 11:12:34 AM

@orvisman

Perhaps it will feature automatic steering and braking to compensate for the inaccuracies of the control interface as well? An interesting way to build a driving experience. Sounds more like a demo unit that you only think you're controlling.

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Orvisman
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 12:21:14 PM

Yep

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DeathOfChaos
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 3:30:46 AM
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It doesn't cost extra for multiple players for Kinect...which only supports 2 Players. Lol, pretty gay to me. Move is Superior to this. For the same price of Kinect, you can get the same amount out of each. The Move Bundle being $100 and then a regular move controller being $50? Then Kinect all on it's own is $150 and limits to 2 players, and the PSMove can go up to 4 players, maybe more? So, if you're wanting to play against 3 other people, Kinect is out of the question, lol.

Also, let's say you have a PS3 with Move and a 360 with Kinect, both break (Kinect and Move). With Kinect, you have to buy a brand new Kinect for $150. With Move, the PSeye or the Move controller may be left over, so then you may have to give up maybe half of what you payed in the first place. Anybody want to save money AND have a quality product?

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Kevin5
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 3:44:18 AM
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Gah this whole Kinect/Move gimmick makes me want to spew in my own mouth. I mean i don't mind if consoles choose to have it. The Wii stinks of success thanks to this whole motion sensor "move & everything moves with you" debacle. It breeds success which is why M$ & $ONY are late to the Wii's party.

My one concern? Don't shower us with this in all our games. I don;t want every upcoming game becoming some platform for Move & Kinect. Lets keep things balanced otherwise i will find a new hobby if this industry relies t heavily on this ****.

If i want to move or exercise i will run outside, if i want to play games then atleast let me be a lazy sod & sit on my ass whilst doing so.

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___________
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 3:45:41 AM
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this is a surprise?
antivision dont want to put their money down on something till there sure they can make a 100M dollar profit off it!

i cant see them taking off too soon though, there just far to expensive!
both are more or less marketed at the casual market, but they slap on a core price tag.

kinects suppose to be 200 bucks, for a extra 50 bucks i can buy a wii!
move is going to be closer to 260 bucks, for 10 bucks less i can buy a wii!
thats the problem with these you need a ps3 or 360 to use them, a wii works straight out of the box.
sony and M$ are hoping to catch some of the casual market ninty have been enjoying, but thats never going to happen for 2 reasons.

1 there far too expensive!
2 there going for the wrong market.
nintendo is a family friend console, its made for kids, most of its games are for kids.
M$ and sony on the other hand are the other way around, yes most of kinects games and moves games will be kids games but that wont matter because of the already released games.
most parents buy a wii for their kids because they dont want them having access to violent games.
there are a few on the wii but there rare and far apart so most parents dont realize them, but on the other systems there everywhere, theres so many of them you would have to be blind to not see them!

i wish both would just stop wasting there time and money and put it to better use!
the money sonys spending on move they could of put towards saving their London studio, and bring back the 8 days and getaway 3.

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Kevin5
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 4:01:43 AM
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Eight Days & The Getaway 3 were dusted under the carpet due to Eyepet & Partly, HOME. I wouldn't expect them to be revived now that Move is going to be evident in everything we play, touch & see.

The funeral is well & truly done with for those potential quality exclusives.

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kraygen
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 1:33:05 PM

Where's the link? Highly doubt this comment.

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556pineapple
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 5:26:11 AM
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Activision wants to make money? Who knew. Anyway, I don't plan on investing in the Move until I see something that truly impresses me. So far it hasn't happened, but that's not to say it won't sometime. I guess that's why I didn't really care for Sony's conference all that much because half of it focused on the Move and 3D, and all I don't really care for either of those things. The second half of the conference made up for it though.

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xnonsuchx
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 5:26:29 AM
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I wonder if EA will charge more for Kinect/Move support in games like their "premium pricing" mentioned at E3 for 3D HDTV games???

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JackC8
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 7:25:37 AM
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Any time the people who fired the developers in charge of their billion dollar game start talking about business decisions...oh good grief. How's that new Tony Hawk Ride skateboard coming along?

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Imagi
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 9:56:33 AM
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Always nice to have a reminder to why I boycott Activision games.

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Highlander
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 11:38:35 AM

I have zero Activision games in my collection...

:D

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A2K78
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 11:56:40 AM
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When you consider the fact that Move and Kinect already are already the next Virtual Boy/SEGA CD, I don't give Activision or any other developer any wrong for taking a wait-and-see approach as both repersent a huge financial risk for both consumers and developers.

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BikerSaint
Thursday, June 24, 2010 @ 11:19:23 PM
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Speaking of motion sensors gaming, some of you very young guys(pre-20's) were still just a few gleams in your daddy's eye at the time, so you've never seen some of the original motion-sensor stuff that was supposed to come out 20 years ago.

But everything shown in this article below is just a good ole trip down memory lane for the vast majority of us older gamers(30years & upward) .

See What 'E3' Was Like Twenty Years Ago
Summer CES, the "E3" of 1990 focused on motion control and teaching music through games.

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=1&cId=3180068

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Zorigo
Friday, June 25, 2010 @ 5:54:18 AM
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Im impressed but at this point it seems to much for me to pay. i'll have to delay.

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maxpontiac
Friday, June 25, 2010 @ 10:54:47 AM
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I have a feeling that Activision is in Microsofts camp (for now).

I also believe that Sony and EA are developing a better partnership as well.

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