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Capcom: Next Round Of Consoles To Launch In 2012

So who's ready for another round of consoles in 2012? Everyone, right?

Well, according to Capcom Europe COO and ex-SCEE CEO David Reeves, you had better be ready because the next generation could be here in only "two years time." He said that "all the first-parties have got to be working on something" at this point in time, although he didn't get into details. In talking about how PlayStation Move (which Capcom will "embrace") and 3D, Reeves admitted to not having any inside information concerning the likes of a fourth PlayStation or third Xbox, but still made his two-year belief plain. Well, let's see: the Xbox 360 will turn five later this year, while the PS3 will turn four. Looking at the last few generations, the PS2 came out in North America in October of 2000, about five and a half years after the original PlayStation, while the PS3 came out in November of 2006, about six years after the PS2.  The Xbox 360 came out in fall of 2005, only four years after the original Xbox launched in the US.

So yeah, 2012 seems just about right, provided this cycle remains similar for the next generation. It's just hard to believe that we're in the fourth year of the PS3's existence already...

Tags: console war, generation, ps4

6/29/2010 10:20:50 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (66 posts)

telly
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 10:37:58 AM
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Reeves would know better than I, but I'm not sure I buy it. Nintendo is making a killing this gen, Microsoft is about to launch Kinect and they're clearly confident it will be a huge smash success, and Sony appears to have turned the corner and is eating into the competition. Why leave this hardware generation so quickly?

All of the companies have talked about this cycle lasting longer than previous ones, and I think they're right. And I don't feel the need to jump to a bunch of new consoles yet, either. Not six months go by without a new game coming out who's graphics, sound and gameplay make my jaw drop. What's the rush to move on from what's been a stellar generation of systems?

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MyWorstNightmar
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 11:01:41 AM

I agree, we don't need one so quickly. This gen seems to have quite a bit of leg left in it. However, I will say this, even though M$ and Sony say their consoles will have a long lifecycle, you never know what M$ will do when they start to get left behind by PS3, and by all accounts, the PS3 seems poised to do just that.

In addition to that, with Sony saying the PS3 will have a 10 year life cycle, that doesn't mean we won't see a PS4 BEFORE that 10 years is up. In fact you would expect to see one before the 10 years is up. Look at the PS2, it continued fairly strong even after the PS3 was introduced. So if we take Sony at their word, 2012 would technically be the date for the PS4.

Personally, I hope not. I think the PS3 could be stretched to a 13 year life cycle and beyond, and I would be just fine with that. I think a lot will depend on what M$ does, and that will force Sony's hand a bit. Sony is not on an island, they have to adjust their plans in accordance to what the competition does, just like the competition has to react and adjust according to what Sony does.

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Shams
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 1:24:59 PM

Although, I do agree that motion controls may increase the longevity of this generation a bit, they need not be wasted if the next-gen consoles do arrive earlier than anticipated, since Move and Kinect (and 3D for that matter) will be able to carry over for continued support. In other words, a game in development for ps3 move, or 360 kinect, could just as easily be pushed to the ps4 or nextBox supporting move and kinect, respectively.

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frostface
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 10:38:59 AM
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Oh no, I can't handle another generation so soon...of course I'll be re-mortgaging the house to buy into it but still, got alot of life still in this old boy (PS3)! PS3 ROCKS!!! (apology's, wanted to know what it feels like to be a fan boy, kinda over-rated imo) :)

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ace_boon_coon
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 1:11:30 PM

yeah it would be too expensive to come out with a new console in 2012.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 10:39:32 AM
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Capcom hasn't been credible for a long time.

Not buying it.

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 12:52:45 PM

Capcom: These damn DVDs are really screwing up how much content we can put in our games *cough*

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That other console is just maxed out and is actually starting to hold games back.

It's easy to see why Capcom wants Microsoft to release a new console.

Meanwhile, Gran Turismo 5, Littlebigplanet 2, Killzone 3, and The Last Guardian will be FILLED to the teeth with content and generation defining graphics/gameplay and physics.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 1:26:19 PM

Capcom can make some Sony exclusives again too if they feel held back. No on is stopping them.

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Evil tele
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 10:57:43 AM
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If anything, nintendo and xbox i feel have already reached their limits.
-Nintendo will realize at some point that they have to catch up with online & high def gaming - once the sales of the original wii keep plummeting, they'll have to introduce a new system ...soon

- xbox is a good system, but it's tech and processing power is slowly falling behind, it's not a tru HD machine without blu ray

- sony is still improving, and can continue to improve with the ps3

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Evil tele
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 11:02:56 AM

all in all tho, 2012 is too soon

developers should stop focusing on making games for 'the next gen', when they haven't even come close to pushing the limits of this gen

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IronFace2
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 12:37:44 PM

Agree. I love my PS3. I dont want a PS4, although its nice to hear somethin new about nex gen consoles, but... just too early to announce one.

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Hezzron
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 11:06:03 AM
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I'm sure the next gen is in development.

I'm also sure Capcom can't wait for this current gen to end. They can't figure it out.

This just sounds like they're sticking their head in the sand hoping it all goes away.

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Highlander
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 11:09:06 AM

Capcom bet on the wrong horse and is having a bad case of sour grapes.

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Hezzron
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 11:36:33 AM

Indeed....but putting the PS3's graphical power aside, the actual subject matter, execution of game play and control schemes of Capcom games have been lousy at best this gen.

RE5 and SF4 have kept them afloat...and they had to release those games twice each!

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main_event05
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 12:05:01 PM

Sounds like they are looking for more ways to sell out Sony.

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Highlander
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 11:06:32 AM
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2012 is about right based on the previous history. However, unlike the last generational change when there was an upgrade from SD to HD, there isn't a huge driving force boosting a change. When we went from PS1 to PS2 there was the advent of DVD over CD, and the PS2 was capable of far higher resolution than the PS1 enabling a game console to meet the best TV resolution of the time (480p).

This time though the PS3 can drive 1080p video (the best standard TV resolution for the foreseeable future) and games as well as managing 3D movies and games. So even if 3D is a roaring success, the PS3 is poised to be a part of the genesis of the 3D market. BluRay replaced DVD, and PS3 has that too. With a built in, user replaceable hard disc the PS3 is a complete solution. The incoming PS Move simply extends PS3 in yet another way.

I can see reasons for the 360 to update. The trouble there is that the network infrastructure in the US and other western nations is not sufficient to support downloading or streaming games that would otherwise fill a BluRay disc. So the successor to the 360 would have to include an optical drive that was capable of that, in other words - BluRay. Microsoft may also want to refresh in order to boost their console's graphics capability for 1080p games and 3D.

Nintendo obviously needs to do a refresh, but if all they do is an HD version of the Wii, they won't be giving people much of a reason to upgrade.

I think that the next driver for an update will be the whole net delivered content concept. However until the infrastructure to handle that is ubiquitous, I don't see console manufacturers committing to it. Because the infrastructure lags so badly there may be room for one more generation of consoles to bridge the physical/digital delivery gap.

Now there lies the interesting bit. The PS3 already bridges that gap and services all the other potential technological drivers for a new generation of console. If MS were to launch a new console, it would simply be catching up to the PS3 in terms of technology. Gamers don't care about USB 3.0 ports or what version of wireless or HDMI is in the box, so long as it plays games in HD (possibly even 3D) and online. A new system would have a hard time differentiating itself from the PS3 in terms of it's capability because the PS3 already does everything.

So, perhaps MS and Nintendo will bring new consoles, MS can go fully HD and even 3D, and Nintendo can finally catch up with the 21st century and go HD. But Sony is already there.

Here's a question. What could Microsoft or Nintendo offer in a new console that was a significant new feature that the PS3 doesn't already have? That is a very short list, and from that point of view, even if MS and Nintendo being new consoles, Sony doesn't really have to do anything. I suppose that they could (for example) crank up the MHz of the GPU and CPU to make 1080p games easier for developers. PlayStation 3z anyone?

Let's pretend that Sony did do that. Would it really hurt existing PS3 owners? I don't think so. All that is required is that all games created for the newer system also include a 720p render mode for the original PS3 models. Other than that, it's business as usual.

I believe that even if MS and Nintendo do a hardware refresh in 2012, Sony could get away with a new slimmer model with faster clocks and a go-faster stripe. There really isn't a reason for Sony to produce a new system yet.

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MyWorstNightmar
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 11:13:44 AM

As always, you bring the knowledge. If M$ and Nintendo bring out a new console, and Sony takes the stance that they don't need a new console because the PS3 "does everything", I would think they will change their tune when the Xbox 720 and WiiHD start flying off the shelves, and the PS3 sales hit the skids because consumers have moved on to the "new" thing.

The PS3 is an amazing machine, but Sony's hand might be forced a bit depending on what the competition does. As you mentioned, there are a few things they can do to spruce up the machine, and probably a few things that we haven't pondered. And perhaps we will be looking at a huge harddrive to accomidate all these games that will be available to us via the PSN. More and more PS2 games will be making there way there after all.

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Highlander
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 11:18:19 AM

I understand that, but list me one significant feature that MS or Nintendo can bring in a new console that the PS3 doesn't already have. Faster USB or newer HDMI won't cut it because the HDMI in the PS3 already handles 3D and full HD output, and USB is not a core feature, it's an accessory. What core feature of a game console can MS or Nintendo significantly advance over the PS3? If there are none, then how do you sell the new console when all it does is match the features of the PS3 which will be in a great position from a price point of view and a game library point of view?

BTW, I don't think that the next Xbox will be called the 720, it makes it sound too much like it's only capable of 720p.

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MyWorstNightmar
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 11:23:51 AM

HA! Very good call on the 720 reference. I never put two and two together on that one.

The question you ask...Sony will have to answer, because if the scenario that I laid out comes to fruition, and M$ and Nintendo are enjoying their new system's successes and Sony's machine is floundering in new sales?

Logic dictates that you are correct, the PS3 does it all, but often times sales is the driving factor to decisions that are made at a corporate level. If consumers believe what you say, and continue to buy the PS3, and ignore the new shiny consoles on the market, then we won't see a PS4 to compete with the XBox1080 or the WiiHD.

This is all of course speculation, but it seems highly likely to me.

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Highlander
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 11:27:58 AM

But the new systems sell based on what? What new feature or capability can those new versions of the consoles include that will sell so very well that your scenario will come to pass? Sorry, but you are saying that something will happen and Sony must respond, but you're giving no foundation as to *why* it will happen.

In all seriousness, other than the need to catch up which MS and Nintendo may feel, what is the driving force behind an update in 2012?

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MyWorstNightmar
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 11:42:18 AM

Highlander, I thought I answered it. Driving force behind 2012 (if the world doesn't end of course) would be sales. If the PS3 is not selling at a good rate anymore, and their competition IS, then that will force Sony's hand.

If the PS3 can't be improved upon as it now seems you are advocating, then Sony will become irrelivant.

Perhap I am not being clear, let us say M$ and Nintendo make a system that exactly matches what the PS3 does, and because they are the new thing, and outsell the PS3 because the PS3 is now considered "old", are you saying Sony will not come out with a new console?

The Wii and 360 still both sell well, but how can that be since the PS3 is superior? And both those consoles can be improved upon. The Wii especially with both graphics and online play.

//Edit, would love to continue, but duty calls, got to go work now.

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SvenMD
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 11:51:33 AM

Highlander - Where I agree that there is very little that an new Xbox or Wii could do that the PS3 doesn't already do...the point is that it doesn't matter.

For the most part, general consumers are not educated, and they don't buy systems based on which one is "better". We saw from this last cycle of systems that the machine that comes out first has an advantage. People will always buy something NEW over something that's OLD...even if the old is actually better. MS messed up this gen, they came out too quickly with an inferior product....but it didn't matter...people bought it anyway because it was the "new xbox" - and that's all that mattered.

Sony did the right thing for the advancement of the field and put out a vastly superior product. But they aren't selling to just educated techies....they're also selling to 14 year old kids who yell at their mothers until they buy them the new xbox that their friends have or else they won't be cool at school. Then when the PS3 came out, it didn't matter, because their moms aren't going to buy them 2 consoles when they already bought the 360.

So MS needs to put out a new machine...but they need to do it right. And I do believe that Sony is going to be in a bad spot if they do because the PS3 could handle another 4 years if used properly. But for the sake of money, MS wont let that happen.

I'm sorry, but I don't think Sony needs to fear a WiiHD.

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Highlander
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 11:52:47 AM

Sorry, I didn't see an answer there. I don't believe that after investing so much in consoles and games that gamers will go for a new system simply because it's new.

As I said in my original post, if Sony does feel the need to bring a 'new' system in the short term, there is nothing to stop them from bringing a slimmer PS3Z with a boost in GPU and CPU clock speed, which would be sufficient to produce all games at 1080p, and yet be 100% backwards compatible with the original PS3.

Another strategy would be to make a new PS3 with two CellBE processors instead of 1. Neither of these approaches require an entirely new console. But the point I am making is that other than playing catch up with Sony, MS and Nintendo cannot offer any significant new feature that the PS3 has not already got, or that cannot be added through firmware. At least, I can't think of any new feature that would fit that scenario.

@Sven, as I said in the original post. Even if MS did drop a new console to catch up, there are no significant new features they can add. Sony could actually launch an upgraded PS3 with a faster GPU/CPU clock that would enable them to sell a 'new' model too, with increased capability. However it would sacrifice none of the previous ground that the PS3 had gained and cost next to nothing to develop allowing Sony to crow about their new console as well.

Not to mention that like the Wii, this time around, Sony would have a console capable of everything that the competition can do, but for a lower price. The Wii traded on it's cost advantage more than anything else this generation.

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godsman
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 11:58:17 AM

I think Nintendo really hit their name into the Casual market. Their next Console will be another gimmick that will help sell tens of millions. As for Xbox, I'm sure they'll be rushing into the next generation to get the same one year head start.

I think PS2 had 7 million sales last year. If Sony continues to bring exclusive games there, I'm sure the sales can easily double. So a 10-year old console can still easily sell 14 million with publisher support. PS2 achieved 140+ million because it had legs to stay. PS3 definitely does have the life. I don't think PS3 sales will saturate like in GC and original Xbox. They couldn't even get 7 million on a good year.

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SvenMD
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 12:04:15 PM

I understand that Sony could easily do that. But again, you, me, and the people on these sites are they only ones that are going to be looking at specs. Little Johnny and his mom probably have no idea what's under the hood (hell, that's the reason they got a 360 in the first place). So when they go into Wal-Mart, are they going to buy the new xbox or the PS3.5??

I'm simply talking about this from a mass marketing aspect...newer is better...because I guarantee you not all 70+ million console owners would be able to tell you what type of processor is in their console.

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Highlander
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 12:11:23 PM

@Sven,

That's exactly my point. mass market buyers don't care about the actual specs, they want to know what games it has, does it do HD? and what is it's price? Mass market buyers are price sensitive. I'm not talking about hardcore Xboxers here, I'm talking about the other 100+ million console owners/gamers who don't rush out and buy a box because it plays Halo.

It's like DVD players. DVD players got cheaper and cheaper. Manufacturers tried to use additional features (like progressive scan) to justify higher prices, but consumers were price sensitive and didn't care about that new feature. In their mind a DVD player is a DVD player, what's the price? Sure some consumers wanted progressive scan specifically and made a choice based on that.

But if we look forward and PS3 is joined by some kind of WiiHD and Xbox360v2, they are all going to be roughly equivalent in terms of features and capabilities, but the PS3 will be cheaper, more well known, and have a great library of games already.

Perhaps I am giving consumers too much credit, but I do think that consumers will need a reason to upgrade. A reason that goes beyond a new name.

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SvenMD
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 12:43:13 PM

HA, I think you are definitely giving the consumer too much credit. If you think a consumer needs a reason to upgrade, beyond a game, then why are there 40 million Xgears/halobox 360's out there? It's not features, it's certainly not about free online gaming. I honestly think it's what you said....PRICE. He who is cheaper sells more. And it's unfortunate that Sony put quality high-tech expensive parts in their machine, because that made it cost more...and they've been playing catchup since then.

I've always been happy with my launch PS3...never had to send it back...never had to worry about it failing on me. It was worth every penny....I just don't understand why some people can't grasp that.

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kraygen
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 5:41:35 PM

So I was reading all of this and I have to agree with highlander, due to the fact that if nintendo and M$ released a new machine, they would most likely be very expensive starting out. If M$ is selling what they have now for $300, adding all the new tech would mean a huge price jump, same with nintendo.

So in the end people looking for tech for their home regardless of the reason, are going to find that all 3 gives them what they want but the ps3 would be cheaper.

Would xbots run out and buy the new xbox, of course, but I don't think the average person would.

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Wissam
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 11:13:51 AM
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Capcom.make a decent game for this gen for god sake and then talk about next gen.

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gumbi
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 11:24:31 AM
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With the PS3 finally hitting it's stride in the market, and finally making money for Sony, I highly doubt that they're eager to go through all this again anytime soon. I'd wager they want to ride the PS3 train for a bit longer. Besides, hardware hasn't improved THAT much yet, the PS3 is still a badass powerhouse of a console and is in no need of a successor anytime soon.

Another big thing that I think will prolong this generation gap is something that the previous generations didn't have, Firmware Updates! PS3 is getting 3D in an update, Move support in an update, improved bluray capabilities come in firmware updates. These are things that would have otherwise required a successor, or at least a new model. We can get all these improvements via firmware updates, I expect Sony will milk this as long as possible before we see signs of PS4.

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NeoHumpty
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 11:26:02 AM
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If they are going to make a new system I would assume the price will be up near $700 on release. For me to spend that kind of money on it, it better do EVERYTHING a PC can do, and have backwards compatibility. I could build a nice gaming rig for that kind of scratch, and just stick with my trusty ps3 for a few extra years.

Honestly, I don't see me adopting a new system as fast as I did the ps3. I love it, but there was a huge gap of time where nothing exciting was really happening. And since I traded my ps2 in thinking the new machines were all BC, I missed a lot of games for it. I still hold a bit of a grudge for them removing it after advertising BC like it was standard.

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godsman
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 11:43:28 AM

The main reason PS3 was so expensive was because of the blu-ray drive. I'm sure the next generation will still be blu-ray with more layers. By then BD will be cheaper, faster, and more reliable. Just imagine the launch of PS3 price, but slashing 100-200 bucks from blu-ray itself.

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Highlander
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 12:05:15 PM

Yeah, the BluRay drives were in excess of $300 in the initial PS3 models. The costs of producing the CellBE chip was extravagant as well.

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FatherSun
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 11:35:03 AM
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CAPitalizeCOMpany will not be able to capitalize on this information so why create this confusion. Historically the timeframe fits. But As much of a tech whore I may be I dont see an immediate need for this. Even in 2 years. PS3 and PS4 will only cannibalize each other. Next GEN will be a true battle. PS3. PS4. XBox720?. Nintendo REVOLUTION? The resurgence of PC. Digital Distribution. Oh my...

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godsman
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 11:38:19 AM
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I hope they don't make a new playstation on the 6th year. After the PS3 launched, PS2 pretty much lost all exclusive support, other than God of War 2 and some minor Japanese RPG that never makes it to the West.

I think one reason that PS3 lost so much sales was that the early adopters switched to Xbox because they didn't get PS2 BC. I'm sure Sony is aware of that and will make PS4 BC to PS3. This will lead to a smooth transition to an upgrade, so there's no reason to be selling two consoles. They can discontinue PS3 then. 2012 is still too early. Maybe 2014.

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main_event05
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 12:08:53 PM
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Perhaps MS is looking to jump start the next gen early AGAIN, but with the PS3 just starting to break even for Sony, i highly doubt they are scrambling to put out the PS4. Even if that weren't the case how big of a gap was there between the PS and the PS2 to the PS3? I'd put all my money on Capcom getting misinformation from being in bed with MS.

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 12:09:50 PM
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No thanks. What would be the point anyways? Anything they put into the PS3 would make it better, and thus raising the price.

Unless the global economy gets better, people will be eventually spending less on entertainment pieces and more on basic neccessities for living.

Plus, I am 100% happy with the PS3 right now. and I look forward to it's ENTIRE 10 year lifespan.

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GuernicaReborn
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 12:16:37 PM
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I wouldn't be suprised to see a new XBox in 2012. Lets see if Sony will follow suit with a new gen or if they stick to their 10 year lifecycle. Maybe Sony really will wait until 2016 to release their next console.

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Deleted User
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 12:23:18 PM
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2012 is too soon, even though the consoles will be 6-7 years old at the time. I think 2013 is more likely. However, I wouldn't put it past Microsoft in regards to releasing another poorly built piece of... in 2012.

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Deathb4Dishonor
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 12:29:11 PM
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Yea... i think the next gen should be in 2014... Let me enjoy my PS3 for another 4 years... Although to be honest i think it might be longer.

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 12:53:08 PM

2013/14 sounds 'bout right

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eLLeJuss
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 12:37:41 PM
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I see the WII doing that. And maybe XBOX, just maybe. But i highly doubt playstation 4 will be even close to releasing. maybe around 2014 or 2015

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cyoung101
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 12:50:45 PM
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Until major game developers like Square and Valve learn and respect each platforms strength and weaknesses, I am not open to any new consoles.

I am really disappointed with the level of innovation this generation of gaming has brought.

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cyoung101
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 12:50:46 PM
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Until major game developers like Square and Valve learn and respect each platforms strength and weaknesses, I am not open to any new consoles.

I am really disappointed with the level of innovation this generation of gaming has brought.

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natho86
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 5:02:05 PM

Quantic dream released this really innovative game called Heavy Rain!

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 1:27:10 PM
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I'm sure that even before a company brings a console out, their own R&D department is as busy as a beehive already planning out their next gen console model.


And even though I'm not ready for a new PS4 yet, I look back at the Playstation's prior history, so I the timeframe of 5to6 years is about right in Sony's thinking.
But the great thing is that Sony will still support the PS3 for at least another 5 years after the PS4 comes out, just like they've been doing with the PS2.
And unlike MS who just walked away from it's 1st ex-box, stopped supporting it after ONLY 4 years, & never looked back.

Not sure about the timeframe on the new Wii or 360 Squat, but I foresee them coming out sooner rather than later, just due to the fact that both are overly outdated by today's standards.

And I'm sure that as lazy & immoral as MS is, once again they'll rush their new machine out just to try & 1-up Sony, thereby gimping up their next model up too.

For myself, I wouldn't like to see anybody's new console brought out before 2015.
That way I've got 5 more years worth of time (& more funds) to fully enjoy all the consoles & games I have now, plus for those games still coming out over the next 5 years too.

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Victor321
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 2:00:29 PM
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Am I the only one who does not want another generation of consoles to happen anytime soon?

2013-2015 sure, but not 2012. That's still too early, and in my opinion, 2012 will be the first year when all the systems will be really mature in terms of developing games for it.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 2:39:01 PM
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Hey Highlander,

Since I consider you our "Tech Guru" here, do you think any of these upcoming next gen consoles(cough*SONY*cough) just might wind up utilizing some of these new fangled dohicky's(dependant on what year the console comes out of course)????
Or is this stuff just way too early for any "next" gen machine, in your opinion???

Low-power Bluetooth spec announced

http://www.tgdaily.com/hardware-features/49434-low-power-bluetooth-spec-announced

Human Media Lab showcases bendable mobile gaming displays

http://www.tgdaily.com/hardware-features/49564-human-media-lab-showcases-bendable-mobile-gaming-displays

Intel touts Light Peak as USB successor

http://www.tgdaily.com/hardware-features/49383-intel-touts-light-peak-as-usb-successor

Team develops walk-on touch-screen for life-size gaming

http://www.tgdaily.com/hardware-features/49364-team-develops-walk-on-touch-screen-for-life-size-gaming

Quadruple-layer Blu-ray Disc stores massive 128 GB of data

http://www.tgdaily.com/sustainability-brief/50380-quadruple-layer-blu-ray-disc-stores-massive-128-gb-of-data

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 3:05:19 PM

Highlander,

BTW, I'm not sure if you saw them yet because I posted them a bit later on, but I also left a couple of interesting articles I found too, over in "Possible Health Concerns Associated With 3D Viewing too

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/7337.html

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Highlander
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 3:36:04 PM

Low power bluetooth? Definitely in both home console and hand held devices.

Flexible display? Definitely in a hand held, it would be more damage resistant if it can bend without breaking.

Light Peak uber fast USB? possibly, but USB 3.0 is a nice new standard and plenty quick.

Walk on displays? I think this msy have merit in large venues, but probably not the home, unless it's as a smaller dance mat style display.

128GB Quad layer BluRay? Definitely. I read the other article talking about holographic discs, but in fact I think that multi-layer BluRay is more likely. Here's why. Even if we double the dimensions of a 1080p screen we're only quadrupling the number of pixels. So 2160p (which is nearly film resolution BTW) would only require (at most) 4 times the data space as existing 1080p video. A standard BluRay movie at 1080p can fit on a single player 25GB BLuRay disc.

To do 3D as well requires more room, something like 50% more than a regular movie, by the time video compression is done. That puts a 3D movie in 1080p in the 35GB-40GB range. If you boost the resolution all the way to 2160p in 3D, then I would expect that even with the compression techniques we currently use a full length 3D in 2160p movie could fit on a 128GB quad layer disc.

That holographic disc with it's monstrous capacity is overkill. BluRay is sized for the needs of 1080p. unless 1080p quickly gives way to a higher resolution standard, I don't think we'll need anything bigger than quad layer BluRay for a good long while. Incidentally, that BDXL standard is not physically readable by current BD players.

However, Pioneer and another BluRay consortium member have demonstrated quad layer discs working on players that only received firmware upgrades. So it's not beyond possible that the PS3 may gain the ability to read 100GB BD discs in the future. Either way BDXL and similar mult-layer technology will stretch BluRay more than enough for the next generation of video games and movies. When we finally perfect the art/technology of holographic display and capture, we'll need that 6TB holographic disc...

Thanks for the other links, it's more reading for a slow afternoon at work.

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RadioHeader
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 2:54:35 PM
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I dunno... with the rumoured world's end in 2012, a new M$ product seems risky.

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Highlander
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 3:41:33 PM

You....you...you Mayan!

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 3:01:14 PM
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Just an FYI,

Sony develops next-gen Blu-ray format for PS4

http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-entertainment-brief/45457-sony-develops-next-gen-blu-ray-format-for-ps4

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StangMan80
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 3:48:18 PM
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Xbox needs a new console but wii does more.
I don't think the PS4 needs come out in 2012, I think just a couple of upgrades like BC. Sony has so much going for them so I don't think the PS4 should come out then but if m$ and Nintendo wants to stay in the game they will need a new console.

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main_event05
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 7:06:13 PM

Nintendo doesn't really need a new console. just new content or more "mature" games, but yea i guess they could since they lack HD. But like the PS their is usually a big gap between systems. Xbox had a life span of 4-5 years before the 360. MS really needs to sit down and plan and make as close to a flawless console as possible before they rush the next gen like the did the last one and ended up with a faulty system.

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FullmetalX10
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 4:27:48 PM
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The new Playstation doesn't need to come out until games stop fitting on those new quad-layer blu-rays (thnx to BikerSaint for the article).
xbox however, might release one in two years, as will Nintendo, probably.
As for me, I can wait for a couple more years (4-5), as long as they keep making more awesome exclusives for the PS3 that is (Demon's Souls Rules!!!)

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kraygen
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 5:46:42 PM
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I actually doubt that any new system will be released that early. Even tho wii and 360 could definitely use an upgrade, I just don't think they will.

All over the world ppl are complaining about the economy and so ppl are just wanting to hang onto their machines as long as they can. There are a lot fewer ppl today that can just run out and buy a new console than there was 5 years ago.

It's not really going to matter to me either way, I have my MGS4 ps3 bundle going strong and there are so many games I've yet to play, I don't see me getting a new system for a long time.

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CharlesD
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 7:55:00 PM
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I can't believe I'm saying it but I don't really want the PS4 yet. The PS3 just initiated plus, there's a ton of great games out there and still more to come, the PSN is getting better and better, and the full capability of the system is really starting to be utilized. Not to mention Sony is just now starting to make a profit.

Also, we should really give the 3D and Move and all the new content some more time to develop before the PS4 comes flying out of the gates. It seems like two years is far too early but maybe in two years I'll have changed my mind.

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Jonesy555
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 8:00:14 PM
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I'm not ready to drop another $600 on a new Sony system. But the only company I can see possibly creating a new system would be Nintendo simply because their portable is more powerful than their home console. They've got something in the works and I wouldn't be surprised if next E3, they som how work out a way to do 3D on a larger scale without the glasses. Wii H3D or HD WiiD...cuz Wii rhymes with three.

As for Sony and Microsoft, it seems as if every year, each companies systems get better. I wouldn't mind seeing both of these consoles lasting til 2015/2016 before a new console from either company is released. I know...wishful thinking.

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bigrailer19
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 8:34:43 PM
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I don't see it being 2012 for any of them except maybe Nintendo if they can get away from their hand helds for a moment.

M$ just released there new 360, and the Sony claims they are finally turning profits on the PS3. 2 years is too short a time to just pack it all up and come with something new. Yeah it may be on par with the last generation but all things considered its still to soon.

I personally don't think this generations is even close to being tapped out. And honestly 2 years from now I still dont think the technology will be there to make a significantly different console. Too early bottom line.

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RebelJD
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 4:41:01 AM
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2014 would be more like it. 2012 just seems like a slap in the face. I understand that life cycles of older systems weren't as promising, due to technology, yet PS3 has more years into it. A lot of its fan base has barely gotten to enjoy the PS3 this year. So 2012 would be too soon if you ask me, especially with the likes of Move. 2014 would be perfect, it would make everyone who purchased the PS3 during its momentum a purchase well worth.

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___________
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 5:43:11 AM
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current generations would sudgest that, but i really can not see that happening.
todays consoles are still yet to hit their stride, theres plenty left to be squeezed out of them.

not to mention 3D functionality.
why would sony push 3D so hard if they were working on a new console to release in 2 years time?
why not leave it for a next gen feature?

same thing for the motion controllers.
if there were new consoles coming out in 2 years time, sony and M$ would not be releasing kinect and move now.
because 1 it will take at least 2 years for the controls to become standard and hit their stride.
and 2 same as 3D why not leave it as a next console feature?

if we were seeing new games, but no 3D and no motion controls than ok i could understand new consoles releasing.
but there are so why develop these things now, and than have to reshuffle them for the new consoles?
thats assuming they wont work off the bat, which i doubt because we all know sony does not like carrying BC between consoles.

than theres the price problem for both manufactures and consumers.
were in a recession so both sony, M$, and consumers are not exactly swimming in money now.
most people can not afford a new console now, and sony and M$ sure can not afford to release a new one and sales become slow.
they would be stupid to release new consoles within the next 2 years because i really cant see things improving that much in such a short time span.
sony have lost a sh*t load of money on the ps3, there not going to release a new console till they make a large portion of it back!

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Highlander
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 9:36:44 AM

Indeed. Microsoft has a sea of red ink with the name original Xbox, and another sea of red labeled Xbox 360 & RROD. MS makes an operating profit now, but they still have all that red ink sloshing around their feet.

Only Nintendo has avoided the debt pit this generation.

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___________
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 8:41:07 AM

yeah, year in year out both have been reporting losses upwards of 150M dollars!
while thats pocket money for both companies, there stock holders are not going to be happy.

the only reason ninty survived is relying off the nostalgia train.
sony and M$ have underestimated how powerful it is.
id be interesting to see how well a halo trilogy would sell, bit that against maybe a R&C trilogy or something.
i really hope sony do make it a constant habit of remaking ps2 titles maybe even ps1 titles in HD.
not just one or 2, but heaps of them.
they would sell better than most ps3 games!

i read a article today that said nintys CEO makes on average 20M a year.
not bad, not bad at all!

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Zorigo
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 7:59:22 AM
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Short and Sweet:

Hell no. i haven't got money for another console ANY time soon.

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dveisalive
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 6:31:24 PM
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Man its amazing how we can afford new systems and games with this bad economy we have O_O

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