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Is The PS3 The Only Console That Can Continue To Advance?

Time flies. I can easily remember when all three current consoles launched, but it took today's article for the time gap to really hit home...it's just hard to believe the PlayStation 3 and Wii are in their fourth years while the Xbox 360 is in its fifth. But it got me to thinking: considering what we've seen as of late, is it safe to assume that Sony's machine is the only one remaining that has further potential? I.e., the only console that can continue to push the envelope and allow developers to do more with their ambitious visions?

The Wii may not factor into the conversation, as technically speaking, it has been essentially the same machine since the moment it released. It sells on the motion-sensing idea and a few top-notch exclusives here and there, but with PlayStation Move and Kinect launching later this year, and given the inherent limitations of the Wii, I doubt Nintendo has much left in the tank. They can still give us our Marios and Zeldas and Metroids and what-have-you, but in terms of "advancing," I think we're just about done. Now, as for the Xbox 360, the most impressive titles are games like Gears of War 2, Forza 3 and Alan Wake, but they sort of pale in comparison to the likes of Uncharted 2: Among Thieves, Heavy Rain, God of War III, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, and Killzone 2, and in the future, we'll see LittleBigPlanet 2, Gran Turismo 5 and Killzone 3. The point is, while it's undeniable that later Xbox 360 games certainly outshine the launch titles, I'm not sure we're seeing examples of significant technical improvement in the past year or so.

In other words, once Gears 3 arrives, I think that's the best you'll see from the 360 (unless Halo: Reach really surprises me). While in the meantime, we can all sort of imagine Uncharted 3, and we have accumulating documented evidence from developers who say they can further optimize with the PS3; they can continue to delve into the machine and extract more potential and power. There was a time when many of those same developers were saying something similar in regards to the 360 but by now, it appears there isn't much left in that console. To reinforce this, more and more designers are using the PS3 as the lead dev platform for their projects and the more this happens, the more the 360 will start to show its age. Lastly, there's a continued belief amongst PS3 fans that in many ways, multiplatform development that includes a less powerful machine is holding the PS3 back.

But of course, the generation isn't over yet. The PS3 may have proven itself as the most capable console by a significant amount, but the gap may continue to widen over time. Look at the PS2 generation: what started with Summoner, Fantavision, Tekken Tag Tournament and X-Squad ended with God of War II, Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater and Final Fantasy XII. So, looking down the road, what can we expect when the PS3 hits its peak...? And is it not safe to assume that the competition is already sitting at their respective peaks?

Tags: ps3, generation, power, exclusives

6/29/2010 12:26:53 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (97 posts)

spiderboi
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 12:51:53 PM
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For sure! PS3 has now gotten its groove. And with new technologies like Move and 3D to help convince other niche markets, its an undeniable decision in favor for Sony. Just make sure those exclusives stay exclusives :)

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mike rlz
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 12:53:02 PM
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As the PS3 still has more potential to advance than the 360 or Wii, does that mean we will see more staggered console launches? i.e. new MS/Ninty consoles one year, while the PS3 is still churning things out, and then later on PS4? And if so, will it be the same scenario with 360 launching earlier and getting a foothold? What do you think?

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ace_boon_coon
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 1:05:29 PM

i don't think the next xbox will sell that much. i don't think we as consumers are ready for a new generation just yet. i don't think MS can release another comsole for a few years, cause the 360 has put them into a lot of debt believe it or not.

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 1:07:57 PM

-People can't keep dishing out money as if they grow on trees

-Aren't many 360 owners ready to invest in Kinect?

-Consoles can't launch without great games (you need companies willing to spend time and even more money on making games on a new console while missing out on making games for the current established consoles)

-How powerful can Microsoft's new console be if it releases earlier than Sony's? It'll be repeating history again. And this time Sony's console will cost less since blu-ray is already in the market and the Cell processor is going down in price/size. This time Sony can release a more powerful console at around the same price as Microsoft. So Microsoft releasing their console 2 years earlier than Sony's is a bad move. It'll initially cost Microsoft a lot of money OR it will be a SLIGHT upgrade to the 360.

-The industry only moves forward if game developers/publishers want to move ahead. There's so much left to do with the ps3 so most devs will stick around and make a profit out of the established and growing fanbase. Making games for a new console would mean they'll be selling games to smaller consumer base.

Too many factors why Microsoft might lose a lot of support amongst everyone. They can't just call the shots by themselves. You gotta take the consumers, the game developers, and costs into consideration

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ace_boon_coon
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 1:15:38 PM

yeah MS won't make a new console until sony announces one. and i agree with scarecrow that wouls be a bad move for MS, cause the ps3's blue ray will be a lot faster and less expensive. what medium would MS use? will they go with blueray?

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Highlander
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 1:26:07 PM

@Cochise,

MS never made a cent of profit from the original Xbox, it soaked them for billions of dollars. The costs of developing the 360 are unknown, but it lost money for the first three years of it's life and thanks to the continuing hardware problems and cost of buying exclusives MS might be making an operating profit on the 360 now, but they are not even close to making back their earlier losses or investments in the design. If MS' console gaming division was an independent company it would have sunk without a trace years ago. I don't see how their investors can justify such an ongoing sea of red ink.

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ace_boon_coon
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 1:38:16 PM

oh yes if MS wasn't a billion dollar corperation, the xbox brand would have put them in the poor house. tbh i actually like the first xbox (not more than ps2) it was durable and not flimsy like the 360.

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Highlander
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 12:58:40 PM
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Well, had Nintendo put the hardware in the Wii to let it talk to HDTVs, the console hardware in the box could easily have rendered games at better resolutions with more sophistication than we see. I do think that the Wii has some life in it. It's over powered for an SD video game console, so there is scope for further improvement in games.

I do think that the 360 is looking a bit gassed now. I don't think we will see the same kinds of generational leap from this wave of games to the next as we have before.

The PS3 appears to have enough legs in it to manage one or two more waves of games that are visibly better than their predecessors.

A thought that occurs to me is that with Kinect, Microsoft is focusing on casual gamers. Could it be that they will concentrate on trying to make PCs the domain of the hardcore gamers again? As much as they have tried, in two generations Microsoft has not taken control of the video game console industry. Yet they still dominate the PC industry. PCs are becoming more multi-functional, and have always been strong platforms for shooters. Could Microsoft shift their focus to having the 360 as a more casual platform, and the PC as the more hardcore platform?

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spiderboi
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 1:05:47 PM

Oh no!

"CASUAL GAMING!!!"

*hides behind a rock while the hordes of new fanboys run towards Kinect*

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ro kurorai
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 1:09:22 PM

I sure hope so High.
That way devs can put more effort into PS3 software ^^.

Nah, jk but it certainly is a valid point.

MS tried to snatch PCs FPS crown with their first home console. It didn't work. Same story with their 2nd try.
After seeing Wii's huge success among casuals MS wanna have a slice of the pie as well.

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NeoHumpty
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 1:42:46 PM

I've always thought it was a bad move on MS's part to not allow PC games to play on their console. When I first heard of the original Xbox I got excited thinking that was what they were going to do.

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kevinater321
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 2:49:24 PM

but if it could play pc games why wouldn't people just get a computer then? And soon or later you would have to upgrade the specs on it because better games would come out and it couldn't handle it. Maybe if they came out with a new unit every 2 years but no one would really buy it.

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ace_boon_coon
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 1:03:49 PM
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didn't sont say they were going to go 10 years. i'm not surprised. you can do so much with the ps3 you won't need another console for years to come. developers still have yet the makes games that fully use the blue ray technology. sony is ahead of it's time. man i love sony (and kevin butler)

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 1:20:06 PM
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Nintendo's Wii can live through this

They've already got the casuals
And Mario Galaxy 2 just proves that Nintendo's quality is what truly defines them

They've got some exclusives lined up for this year and for next year.

They can ride out some more years with their art/quality + casual gamers.

But the truth is, the Wii will eventually hit its peak as far as how much interest it'll hold for casuals. I think that's why Nintendo's back to focusing a bit more on the hardcore. We'll see

The 360's the one which has nothing going for it besides uniformed Westerners.

But eventually they'll figure out it's not worth buying a console with no future and no great exclusives (1 or 2 per year). At least I'd like to think they'll figure it out......lol

People like to walk around blindly, one day they'll understand what we meant when we said "ps3 is the true monster this generation."

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Jawknee
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 6:46:32 PM

I think Nintendo can squeeze some more juice out of the Wii too.

Skyward Sword sure looks pretty.

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Darwin1967
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 6:57:50 PM

Nintendo. They are a bit like my parents...drive that subuaru to 240,000 miles, then consider investing in a new car. Nintendo will definately keep the Wii around for a few more years while they continue to focus more on their DS line.

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Bjorn77
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 1:24:01 PM
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A new console would be economic suicide... There is a crisis going one in the world, people sitting on their money. No way large groups of people will spend their hard earned money on a expensive machine.

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ace_boon_coon
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 1:46:35 PM

you got that right. no one is about to spend that kinds of money on a new console. a new console right now would result in a panasonic 3d0 type flop

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ro kurorai
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 1:25:08 PM
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It's simply amazing to see how well Sony's console has developed.
Who would've guessed four years ago that PS3 will boast so much future-proof technology.
I remember how much the media made fun of Sony's exclusives and their decision to go for Blu-Ray.
Now all those decisions turn out to be the best stuff of this console generation.

I can imagine devs finally going deeper into PS3s hardware and producing stellar 3rd party titles that can even surpass their 360 counterparts.

I can't imagine how many third party devs look jealously at Sony Santa Monica Studios, Guerrilla, Naughty Dog and even Quantic Dream, who are third party themselves.

Slow but steady it becomes apparent that all devs invest more time and money into PS3 than they did a few years ago.

It's awesome to see how Sony's attitude and ultimately their ad campaign changed. Jerry Lambert (KB) is a marketing/PR genius and totally hilarious.
KB certainly contributed to PS3s recent success.

I'm looking forward to seeing all devs pushing each other further with each new game. That way everyone wins.

PS3 still has her best years ahead.
And should GOW2/FFXII be any indication how big the gap from day1-development to the console's swan song can be (like TP for GCN, for instance), then there's still lots of amazing stuff to be experienced with PS3.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 8:07:40 AM

What's TP? "Toilet PaperedMania" for the Gamecube? I don't recall that game.

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ro kurorai
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 9:50:57 AM

Twilight Princess, Game Cube's swan song ;)

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mexgeo86
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 1:27:55 PM
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The way I see it, we've yet to hear developers say that the ps3 has been maxed out, unlike other consoles. Looking at multiplats, over the last year or so, the ps3 versions have been getting just as good if not slightly better than their xbox counterparts. Exclusives are obviously where we've seen the best aspects of the console since they keep setting the bar higher and higher on what a quality title should be.

With the PSN constantly adding new features and services, the likelihood of the console living out its long 10+ year life cycle is almost a given.

As we look onto motion gaming and 3d gaming, it's good to know our console is more than ready for it.

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marcusfrommo
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 1:32:10 PM
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to the highlander, i doubt it, the "shooter's console to focus on casual gamers."? i think there up to something. that expensive component they took out of the kinnect, i think it was gig or something that recorded the visual movements faster, will that eventually down the line hurt the kinnect? you know, i would rather they skip the kinnect for this console, and come out with it on there next gen console in 2012 or ealry 2013. by the way, do you believe nintedo will release a newer console 1st in the year 2011, 12 or early 13? if so, i heard it would be comparable to the current ps3 and xbox 360. if that's true, then why wouldn't they have something waaaay better than the current console? i mean, to me, other than the upcoming 3ds and with the billions of dollors i think they have), them off all people coming out with something that plays blue ray or has equal or more storage than blue ray, a better interface,
multitasking, a better line of exclusves games excluding their nintendo remakes, that include rated r and m rated games, 50% or higher quality of graphics is very hard to believe. don't get me wrong, i know they can do it, but that would mean that they would have to charge close to what the 1st gen ps3 and xbox charged when they first came out, and they know where there bread is buttered, toward the cost friendly consumer. WHY release a console comparable to the current systems when in five years or less, it will be outdated by xbox's and sony's next console? oh, by the way do you know of any psp2 rumors? because, i want the psp2 to be as powerful as the ps3. and if that means waiting till 2013, then so be it. what say you?

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Highlander
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 2:20:12 PM

Not sure what it was specifically that MS removed. I believe that the camera used in Kinect originally had enough local CPU and memory to do all the processing itself, but that added so much to the cost that MS had to remove it and rely on the 360 to do the work.

I have no idea what Nintendo's plans are, but based on their past performance I'd say that whatever they do it won't be bleeding edge. I'd guess that they will upgrade the clock speeds in the Wii, add some memory and give the GPU the ability to work in HD modes. They might even include BluRay since it's nearly a commodity drive now anyway.

Either way, Nintendo's past suggests that they will not go for an uber-powerful console.

I doubt that the new PSP will be PS3 compatible in the sense of running PS3 games. The PS3 chipset itself still almost as much as a PSP at retail.

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Hezzron
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 1:40:19 PM
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The PS3 can certainly advance, and does. My dream is to see it advance by going backwards and allowing some PS2 compatibility. There's a lot of PS2 gems going for dirt cheap now and I'd be more inclined to buy them if I could pop them in my PS3.

The 360 may not have the legs to advance graphically, but it could with some innovation. Unfortunately, outside of the questionable Kinect offerings, there's not much on the horizon that appeals to it's already established hardcore base.

The Wii still has a lot left to offer, especially with the upcoming games on the menu. Next gen should be huge for them too, as the upgrade will seem larger with the inevitable jump to HD.

Remember, competition breeds a healthy market....and gamers win!

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kevinater321
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 2:52:54 PM

I really doubt the next gen wii will sell nearly as much as this one did. Casual gamers relize that they never play it and will consider it a waist of money. So when wii 2 comes along they won't get it because they will think it is also a waist of money. This is all just a prediction but i belive it may happen.

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ace_boon_coon
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 1:44:21 PM
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this is off topic, but socom 4 along with the move look sweet. see we don't need a new console yet

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Riku994
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 1:45:15 PM
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I wish I didn't sell Summoner and Summoner 2...

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AcHiLLiA
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 1:57:03 PM
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PS3 is growing better and it's showing us the great games that we have already and in the future.

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dirdiggler
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 2:18:34 PM
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I just wish to see Mario,Zelda,DK an other on the Ps3 1 day. Not sure how this could all come to happen but would be an amazing move pulled off by Sony that would go untouched as far as consoles go.

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Deleted User
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 2:19:04 PM
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Man oh man. The PS3 is a great machine and has great games, great looking games like Uncharted 2, Metal Gear etc. In terms of Graphics the Playstation 3 and XBOX 360 are pretty close when you look at the hardware capabilities. I remember when Metal Gear Solid 4 came out, people said the game wouldn't look as good if it were on the 360, well there is a new Metal Gear coming out, and apparantly won't be suffering any downgrade in graphics. Sure PS has great exclusives, but why forget about the 360 exclusives such as Mass Effect, Left for Dead, Forza, Splinter Cell Conviction, Crackdown. Both consoles have their perks. My point is that talk about what the PS3 might able to do in the future, not what the 360 can't. That is a fanboy thing to do.

Both consoles have great games and will continue to make great games, that is the main thing.

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StangMan80
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 4:26:39 PM

The 360 isn't even close to the PS3 capabilities. The PS3 will last a lot longer then the 360.

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kraygen
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 6:15:42 PM

I'm sorry, but while the cgi videos from rising look similar to MGS4, the gameplay doesn't look as good. It looks grainy and less detailed in almost every way.

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Him
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 2:32:09 PM
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Makes me think of Crysis 2......

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 2:59:08 PM
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I think this article sums it up rather nicely...

Sony: 3D adoption will be just like Blu-ray

http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-entertainment-brief/45457-sony-develops-next-gen-blu-ray-format-for-ps4

With this generation of home entertainment, Sony has taken a lot of risks.
It put its neck on the line with the first fully-HD equipped video game console, it gambled with Blu-ray in the format war, and now it's pouring all sorts of money into 3D development.
Meanwhile, most of its competitors have taken a "sit back and watch" approach. With Blu-ray, of course, the risk reaped rewards, and now the storage media Sony helped create is a market standard and the PS3 can handle much higher-capacity games than either the Xbox 360 or Wii.


Will the same kind of result happen with 3D gaming, though?

Sony says yes.

In an interview with IndustryGamers.com, Sony Worldwide Studios VP Scott Rohde said that 3D adoption is, "Not a concern. It’s a strategy. The best thing I can relate this to is the Blu-Ray launch. I think this is like a rewind for me, a lot of the same questions."

Unlike Microsoft and Nintendo, Sony has a vested interest in the future of 3D home entertainment, In addition to the PS3 it also is manufacturing its own line of 3D TVs and 3D-enabled Blu-ray players.

"So, it’s a distinct strategy that we’ve chosen to take to be on the bleeding edge and drive the market into these new experiences. So we’re not worried about quick adoption rate. We’re driving people to adopt period," added Rohde.

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godsman
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 3:03:21 PM
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Yes

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Wissam
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 3:05:23 PM
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I agree 100% with ben. ps3 will advance more than its competitors. blue ray and sony first party studios are FTW.

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Deleted User
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 3:13:55 PM
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In terms of games, Sony has the obvious advantage of making longer games, but in terms of graphics, I think we've pretty much hit the limit and if there are any improvement in graphics, it will be very very minimal from what we currently see, until the next console that is.

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StangMan80
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 4:32:09 PM

Graphics will get a lot better their isn't any doubts about that.

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sawao_yamanaka
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 4:59:21 PM

Lol damn you guys scared him off!

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godsman
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 3:20:15 PM
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We finally see some advantage of blu-ray versus DVDs in gaming. PS3 gets extra content like Dead Space and Medal of Honor. Something that is only possible on the PS3.

Also hybrid blu-rays where it's partially movie and game. The additional video and preview files in Uncharted 2 and God of War 3 was awesome.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 4:09:24 PM

Pretty cool how Sony attached the God of War III demo to the Blue Ray version of District 9.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 3:25:38 PM
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pmartin2586,

Are you sure???

NAHHHH, I think graphics can probably get much better than they are now as developers find new ways of optimizing the cell's architecture, plus learning new tricks in optimizing their code too.

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DaK182
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 4:01:49 PM
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yeppppppppppppp

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StangMan80
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 4:23:19 PM
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The PlayStation 3 can last a few strong more years(2014-'15) while the Microsoft will need a new console around 2012 and Nintendo needs a new one as soon as next year.

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Deleted User
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 4:24:48 PM
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Graphics are running on hardware 5+ years old, the graphics can only go so far on the current hardware on both consoles. Sure graphics will get better, only slightly though. And no, I'm no tech guru, but I am a tech guy and I do know what I'm talking about.

I'm not complaining about graphics by the way, Graphics are great, but if you expet them to get way better, you'll be waiting for the next consoles for that.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 4:30:28 PM

You're no "tech guy." You just pop up every now and then to try to remind everyone that the PS3 isn't any better than the Xbox 360.

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 4:40:43 PM

pmartin is just like those PC gamers who think they know it all

I bet he said the same thing when MGS4 came out, "this'll be as good as games on ps3 will look."

Yet Killzone2 and Uncharted 2 shut him down nicely

GOWIII and Heavy Rain look amazing. And I believe GT5 will set the standard in terms of graphics for all racing games.

Then turn the page to 2011, Killzone 3 will be waiting as well as a possible Uncharted 3, The Last Guardian, among others.

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 4:48:19 PM

You obviously know nothing about the Playstation brand. The PS2's graphics only got better as devs continued to focus on it, see GOW2 for an example. Plus the PS2 was engineered as a Hi-Def console.

The PS3? It's obvious (painfully to some) that the PS3 was simply ahead of the game. But hey, glad the 360 finally got Wi-Fi.

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Highlander
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 5:20:22 PM

Yes, the GPUs in the PS3 and 360 are 5 years old. Actually, the GPU in the 360 is a tad older than the one in the PS3, but who's counting anyway?

However, what is happening in the PS3 game development community is that programmers are beginning to use the CellBE processor the way it was supposed to be used. The result is games that look better and better as more post processing effects are accomplished on the Cell allowing the RSX to do those things it is specifically good at. The system architecture of the PS3 makes this possible. The architecture of the 360 does not. The 360 relies to a greater degree on the GPU being able to do all this stuff on it's own.

The 360 makes it easy for developers because everything is laid out for them to pick up and use immediately. The PS3 architecture encourages developers to re-think their software and use the power of the Cell to accomplish things in a way of their own choosing. This allows designers and coders to do things in highly optimized ways that are not laid down by someone else. It takes more effort, but ultimately grants more power to the developer.

So, while you may see diminishing returns, developers are still finding ways to get more out of the PS3's CPU/GPU combination, and will continue to do so for a couple more waves of games. We've heard variations of this from several developers this year.

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elass0wyp0
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 10:01:48 AM

Quickly. Ban all those who disagree. Use those down votes boys. Together, we can do it! lol

These articles/posts are used to generate fanboyism and flame wars. It's intentional, you can't blame the guy for taking your weekly flame bait.

Come on, seriously? "Is The PS3 The Only Console That Can Continue To Advance?" Go into a Gamestop and say that out loud, you'll get into a argument with a 14 year old in a matter of seconds. It's flame bait and he took the bait.

I don't agree with him, but he has a right to respond however he wants.

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Highlander
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 10:12:41 PM

That's not why he was banned. Posting opposing opinions is not a problem here. You obviously haven't read here for very long - if you think that people are banned for disagreeing.

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___________
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 8:29:40 AM

actually the GPU in the ps3 is well more than 5 years old!
its based on nvidias 7 series which released in 2004 if memory serves me.
though you have to be crazy if you think graphics are not going to improve much.
i mean crysis 2 looks amazing, KZ3 looks better than KZ2 AND ITS PRE ALPHA!
than theres RAGE and thats blowing everything out of the water!
and thats not due out till this time next year at the earliest!!!!!!
than theres R*s agent which i have heard is going to blow everything away!

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elass0wyp0
Friday, July 02, 2010 @ 10:08:06 AM

@highlander.

BS.

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Wissam
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 4:28:29 PM
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Then go play on your super PC and leave the 5 years old hardware to us.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 4:33:24 PM
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Well, I haven't 1 tech-savvy cell in my body, but I was just going by the fact that almost every time a great developer says that they've maxed out the system, they wind up surprising themselves with new ways to up the score once again in their next game.(optimizing their code then????)

I guess Highlander will have the "real deal" answers to that.




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Deleted User
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 4:39:24 PM
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I'm not reminding anyone of anything, Im just making a point. You always seem to take offense to that. I just have an opinion, an accurate one.

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 4:42:57 PM

"I have an opinion, an accurate one."

Wow, get down from that rotten pedestal
Have you ever made a video game in your life?

I guess game devs like Naughty Dog and Guerilla are lying when they say they can still push the ps3.

It's ok, you're probably just used to your Intel based gaming PCs

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 4:48:01 PM

Your "accurate" position has no evidence whatsoever behind it, and you ONLY post to rile everyone up with your 360 propaganda, which of course is always unfounded.

So beat it, "tech guy."

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 4:40:59 PM
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At the risk of sounding like a broken record, but of course it is. The 360 uses last generation tech with the DVD. The Wii? LOL.

The PS3 is on the bleeding edge of technology, has been since day one. It will continue to do so even when Microsoft and Nintendo launch new consoles.

Ironically, I believe games in the next three years will be made for the PS3 first, and Xbox720 2nd due to the shared Blu-Ray drives. But that's another topic.

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ace_boon_coon
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 5:09:13 PM

you think MS will license blue ray?

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ro kurorai
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 8:46:25 PM

Nah, no way Sony will allow them to license Blu-Ray. Sony are members and co-founders of the Blu-Ray association. MS will have to rely on digital distribution, they ain't gonna get no Blu-Ray, Sony will make sure of that.

Same applies to Nintendo btw ^^.

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 9:53:24 PM

I do not see why not. All new technology, once it hits mainstream is not usually limited to one company.

As much as I want it to stay away from MS, I feel in the end, it will come down to a business decision.

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StangMan80
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 1:18:43 AM

wow I never knew that blu-ray belonged to Sony that is awesome.
Ha Ha Microsoft and Nintendo.

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ro kurorai
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 3:46:32 AM

maxpontiac, it's not a question of mainstreaming, it's an issue of money and bureaucracy. Simply can't imagine Sony to allow MS to join the BRA, that's all.

Unless MS are willing to sign some kinda contract where they have to pay a certain amount to Sony for each game as they're using Sony's technology.
That way Sony profits from MS, so we're cool ^^

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Highlander
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 9:23:54 AM

MS can license BluRay, and indeed already has because they help provide the drivers on Windows. Sony does not own BluRay, the BluRay Association does. Sony is one of several founding members and one of something like a dozen executive members of the BluRay association. As it happens, the BluRay specification actually includes optional video compression standards owned by Microsoft. Sony has no reason, and no way to block MS getting a BluRay license.

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maxpontiac
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 3:00:45 PM

Thanks for clearing that up Highlander. That's what I thought.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 4:42:39 PM
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Looks like the PS3 is even advancing way ahead of schedule.

Look what I just found in the PS 3's "accessories settings".....

It seems that the 3.40 firmware update has also sneaked in a little something extra, by giving now us a "Move" calibration tool setting too.

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kraygen
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 6:25:29 PM
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I think the ps3 definitely has what it takes to advance. I do however have a question about bluray and the next systems, that I'm hoping some one could answer.

Early in this generation of consoles I saw a couple of interviews where M$ was saying that they wouldn't ever be using blu ray because they felt they didn't need it. Obviously that was short sighted and they were in denial.

The other interview was a sony guy talking about how sony owns part of the rights to bluray or whatever and so that if M$ were to utilize blu ray then they would have to pretty much pay sony to do so.

Is this still the case since blu ray is technically owned by the blu ray disc association? I know sony is part of that, but all of this gets confusing. However M$ definitely has nothing to do with it, so wouldn't they have to pay licensing fee or some such?

And if that is the case, doesn't that mean that if the next xbox uses blu ray, sony would essentially be profiting from the next xbox.

I know I don't have all the facts, thats why I'm kinda hoping some one can clear it up for me. Maybe this is a challenge for highlander, come on dude, answer my questions please.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 6:49:23 PM

"sony would essentially be profiting from the next xbox"

they kind of already are. They own quite a bit of stock in Square Enix.

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ro kurorai
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 8:48:51 PM

That's accurate. Sony are basically co-founders of the Blu-Ray association.
There's no way they will allow MS to license Blu-Ray.

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kraygen
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 1:33:19 AM

ok, well actually in the sony interview, the guy from sony was saying they would love to let M$ use blu ray, because they'd love to profit off each of their machines.

If i was them I'd charge them a pretty penny to use it, then I'd laugh about it every day.

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ro kurorai
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 3:57:23 AM

That's even better kray ^^

I've read an interview once, in October 2009, where MS state they don't need Blu-Ray at all, after initially saying that 360 would get it as an accessory.

Steve Ballmer: “Well, I don’t know if we need to put Blu-ray in there — you’ll be able to get Blu-ray drives as accessories.”

He adds: “Our immediate solution for Blu-ray-quality video on an Xbox 360 is coming this fall with Zune Video and 1080p instant-on HD streaming. As far as our future plans are concerned, we’re not ready to comment.”

But then MS clarifies that he was only speaking of Blu-Ray drives as PC accessory, thus it was a misunderstanding:
“Steve was referring to Blu-ray accessories for the PC.

As we have said in the past, we have no plans to introduce a Blu-ray drive for the Xbox 360. In fact, the future of home entertainment starts this fall when Xbox 360 becomes the first and only console to offer instant-on 1080p streaming HD movies.

With a library of thousands of TV shows and movies to choose from, Xbox 360 owners can instantly watch the movies they want, when they want, in the highest form of high definition.”

Hence: no plans for Blu-Ray for Xbox, or a more eloquent way of saying: 'We won't pay our immediate competitor in order to use their technology.'

cheers, ro



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Highlander
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 9:29:30 AM

yeah.....only thing is that 1080p video streaming, true 1080p streaming, requires 30Mbytes/second bandwidth even with good compression. Streaming 1080p HD content over the Internet uses a compression scheme that decreases color depth and resolution, stutter frame rates and uses a number of other tricks to reduce the data rate required to a fraction of that required of a BluRay player reading a BluRay disc.

Fundamentally speaking, compression is only so good. If you compress past a certain point you have to lose some detail, as you increase the compression ratio in a lossy compression scheme you lose more of the original detail and the compressed data becomes an approximation. The video on a BluRay disc is already highly compressed with minimal loss. Compressing it further requires detail and color depth to be sacrificed.

So, MS may not need BluRay to claim that they have a 1080pHD solution, but if we're comparing apples to apples and being completely honest, their 1080p streaming solution might work in a home if the source is true 1080p, but you can't stream true 1080p (or true 720p for that matter) over the Internet.

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Highlander
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 10:20:06 PM

Sorry, I have to correct myself. 2x speed BluRay (standard BluRay) has a data rate of 72Mbit/second not what I said earlier. I was mis-remembering the video rate required for a 1080p video stream.

72Mbit/second (9Mbytes/second) is still 20+ times faster than the average consumer bandwidth using DSL. The rest of what I said still stands, but my initial statement about 1080p video requiring 30MBytes/second is clearly off base. My apologies.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 6:29:11 PM
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Slightly off-topic for a second here....

Does anyone know what's up with this????

I don't know if this is either just a regional, or a PSGO thing because I just updated my 5 PSP's(all 1000, 2000, & 3000 models) to 6.30 firmware today & none of my PSP's have either of the 2 folders anywhere, listed in these 2 articles below.....

PSP firmware 6.3 adds folders for NeoGeo and PC Engine games

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/06/29/psp-firmware-6-3-adds-folders-for-neogeo-and-pc-engine-games/

NEOGEO for PSP?

http://www.fistfullofpotions.com/2010/06/neogeo-for-psp.html



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Highlander
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 10:54:41 PM

The rumor is that we'll be getting some classic game action that has been available in Japan for a while via emulation on the PSP...

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kraygen
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 1:34:01 AM

mine had those 2 folders, not sure why none of yours did.

weird.

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Highlander
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 2:03:32 PM

I need to update my PSPs tonight. I'm looking forward to some more virtual console action in the future.

:D

Oh, BTW, Gauntlet II ROCKS!

Warrior needs food badly....

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Darwin1967
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 6:49:29 PM
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what's even more amazing is that I still have my 1999 PS2...and it still works like a charm...and yet, I'm on PS3 number 2. I hope they make their next in-carnation a bit like the PS2...a workhorse that can keep on running, and running and eventually outrun the energizer bunny.

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Highlander
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 10:56:52 PM

LOL< well, everyone tried to tell me years ago that I could not possibly still be using a early 2000 PS2 either, because of that whole disk reading issue. Whatever, It still works today. As for PS3s, there are three gamers in our house and three PS3s with a combined age of nearly 11 (that's nearly 4 + nearly 4 + nearly 3 = nearly 11) and not one failure. Ive' had an HDD failure though. Pesky things.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 11:40:18 PM

Still got my original PS2 phat too,

And she's still taking Xbox names & kicking butt!

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 12:41:07 PM

Highlander,
Thanks for the PSP info.

Kraygen,
As Highlander said, it's probably just a regional thing for the moment, with a roll-out to other regions later on, maybe?

So what country are you located, that you've got those 2 extra folders?
I'm in the US, myself.

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kraygen
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 1:38:33 PM

I'm also in the U.S.A. Thats why I was confused as to why you didn't get the folders.

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AbsoluteZer0
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 10:07:07 AM

@Highlander
In light of the somewhat unstable nature of hard disk drives, how long do you think it'll take to completely swap over to solid-state ones?

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Hoagie324
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 7:03:10 PM
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I thought the same thing, actually, kraygen. I am in no way sure about this at all.. but I thought Sony had rights to blu-ray in a way... I guess we'll see when this clears up.

And as for the ps3 advancing... I just can't wait for Uncharted 3 and The Last Guardian... I love the ps3 as my console of choice. Best $750 purchase in my life.

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 7:59:12 PM

Kraygen,
I just re-checked all my PSP's & I still can't find either of those folders, so now I'm not sure what to think, or do about it.

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Snaaaake
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 7:39:31 PM
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Clearly the PS3 is still improving, Blu Ray is just damn good.

I think, for people who play the PS3 but have never played any 360 might think that Gears of War 3 is a 2009 game.........

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CharlesD
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 8:39:24 PM

Ha, most certainly agree Snaaaake (nice name :)

Anyways, I don't see where Xbox has any road left on the terms of developmental scale. I still think that a lot of new games coming out for the Xbox, or soon to be released for the xobx seem to be either already outdated or becoming outdated. I am spoiled by my PS3 though I must admit, which is exactly the point.

It seems like the PS3 is just offering more and more. It might level off here eventually but it's doin pretty good so far and the developers all admit they are perfectly capable of making their visions come to life. Even Gabe Newell jumped up on the Sony stage introducing Portal 2 and explaining that it would be the best version of the game due to the advanced capability of the PS3. As far as Nintendo goes I must admit that it seems like they hit a dead end. To be honest I was completely and totally surprised they came out with the Wii. An admittedly impressive move considering I was sure they couldn't come up with something to compete with the new generations. Even though the competition may be indirect due to audience, genre, and approach. But it must be said that they have made little to no noticeable progress since day one. But as far as next generation Nintendo goes, even though I would initially believe Nintendo has hit the end of the road, they surprised me once before soo I wouldn't count them out 100% at least (for next gen. that is)

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hehateme
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ 9:06:20 PM
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i love my ps3! i pre odered move controls, signed up for psn +... finishing up some trophys on read dead... all i want is cross game chat

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ghinasky
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 2:23:38 AM
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"It’s difficult to talk about Nintendo because we don’t look at their console as being competitors, said Hirai. They’re a different world and we operate in our world - that’s kind of the way I look at things."

"And with the Xbox - again, I can’t come up with one word to fit. You need a word that describes something that lacks longevity. Last time I checked, they’ve never had a console that’s been on the market for more than four or five years and we’ve committed to a ten year life cycle, so you do the math. And unless things go really bad," added Hirai, "there’s no way that at the end of a life cycle our competition is going to have a higher install base."

Blu-ray means developers can put in more raw uncompressed data for two or more games in one disc.
Firmware upgrade can enable the PS3 to be able to play the 100GB Blu-ray version in the near future.

Kaz HIrai's introduction here seems to be reality.

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gangan19
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 3:30:09 AM
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Software wise? yes!!!, Hardware wise? it's already where it needs to be.

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RebelJD
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 4:36:09 AM
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PS3 is awesome, just make it even sexier with a slimmer design and I'm good.

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___________
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 5:26:55 AM
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no of course not!
cough RAGE.
cough crysis 2.
cough batman AA 2.
last time i checked those are multiplatform games.

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Highlander
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 9:32:46 AM

Yes, only Crysis 2 (for example) does stereoscopic 3D on PC and PS3, and on the 360 you need red/blue glasses. How retro! Seriously, Comparing exclusives is a better way to compare the consoles. 360 exclusives are not looking substantially better than the previous 360 version that they are a sequel too. PS3 games continue to look better and better.

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___________
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 8:33:36 AM

what?
crysis 2 does not use the old Anaglyph 3D glasses, it uses stereoscopic 3D just like the PC version!
all versions of crysis 2 are running in stereoscopic 3D.
i wonder if RAGE will be, now that will be interesting.

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Highlander
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 10:08:56 AM

Don't forget those old-folks homes and their addiction to Wii-Bowling...

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