Adults Only "Visual Novel/Love Sim" Coming To PS3

I'll say this - regarding Anime. There is plenty of anime where the characters are clearly 18 or older. But, having taken one look at the attached image to this article, it's clear that whatever this is, it's about school girls. Not anime babes wearing school girl outfits. School age, school girls. Big difference, and most definitely a creepy difference.

This is one of the problems with Anime (and any cultural phenomenon). Anime covers a very broad range of styles and tastes. Just as there is plenty in the Anime world that is perfectly harmless fluff or age appropriate, there is plenty that is not. If you scratch beneath the surface of anime style and look at some of the video and print material that is produced, you quickly realize that the art style in Anime is used for many other forms of 'entertainment'. Unfortunately, people tend to lump the anime porn in with the more general anime entertainment.

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Last edited by Highlander on 7/7/2010 10:47:59 AM

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Yeah, you're spot on. I know some people in university that called me and my buddy perverts for watching Bleach. I dunno... not much perverted about that title. Some people really do lump it all together.

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Yeah, Naruto is actully older than Ichigo if you guys don't know.
Just sayin'

Oh and Luffy is the eldest of the three...

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Last edited by Vitron on 7/7/2010 11:51:18 PM

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But Luffy's the best out of all.

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Yeah, unless an anime character is distinctly in their 30's+, they almost always appear to at least some people as minors.

In a recent Official Playstation Magazine, one of the writers (who, in my opinion, comments far too often on things he doesn't understand. For example, mocking the title, Final Fantasy, cause it never seems to be the final one and wonders when the world will finally end, not understanding that each one is a completely different title... ugh) ... one of the writers commented that Lightning looked about 14. I know FFXIII isn't really anime at ALL, but never-the-less, Japanese artistry doesn't always do age justice.

I, for one, like that art style, but I don't even bother defending it... I mean... you've got a point Ben... they do look way too young.

As for this title, the vid doesn't really tell me much. It sounds a little not-for-me-ish, but I'll withhold judgment for a later date.

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The characters in the attached image are quite clearly school age school girls. This is one of those niche titles that crop up in Japan that never see the light of day elsewhere. I'm certain that if you know anything about Anime, then you'll know that titles like these are not intended for mainstream consumption. I'm not sure that it's even fair to include it under the heading of Anime, it's far closer to something else that uses Anime art styles, but is definitely not simply anime.

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Aren't there rape simulators in Japan where you rape anime girls? I swear i saw something like that the google head lines when searching for games one day.

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Sadly yes, and it was listed on Amazon Marketplace for a short while before they finally realized it was there and thankfully removed it. Perhaps worse is that that product wasn't anime based...

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Ah yes, that's right. I remember now. People had a fit because Amazon was listing that garbage. I'm glad Amazon was fast in their reaction in removing it.

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Oh, I'm well aware of the different styles of anime. Despite my love of JRPGs, not a one of those styles have ever really appealed to me and I really despise even the "classic" anime movies, like Akira and what have you.

But my own personal preferences aside, I certainly know anime extends beyond the kiddie porn section...but I still have to say, why that section exists at ALL is a creepy mystery to me. :)

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I liked Akira, but it is very much a love it or loathe it kind of thing.

This whole kiddie porn thing isn't merely creepy though. I mean I understand that a lot of characters in anime styled games and video look young. In most cases the characters are meant to be in their very late teens or early 20's, yet they can look younger than that. Look at my avatar for example. Shion is meant to be 22, but the way she is drawn she could be anything from 16 up. Of course we have to remember that Japanese women do have more petite bodies and figures, and extremely youthful faces (by western standards), so an art style that comes from that background will look - to our eyes - young.

That said, this particular entertainment product clearly involves characters younger than 16, so the art style is irrelevant.

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Akira was fantastic and the original Pioneer release on VHS had fantastic english dialog and voice acting. When it was released on DVD they redid all the english dialog for some reason and it was terrible. It's rare to find anime with good english dialog, don't know why, who ever released it for DVD, had to go and screw that up.

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Last edited by Jawknee on 7/7/2010 11:07:41 AM

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I'm not too big into anime mostly a Dragon Ball Z kind of guy, but Akira was pretty awesome.

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Ha! No thanks. Ill stick to my Dragon Ball collection and the classics like Vampire Hunter D and Akira. No need to watch anime porn when i have a hot asian wife. ;)

In all seriousness, i will never get the Japanese when it comes to sexuality. They find stuff like this perfectly ok but they censor pubic hair? O.o

Strange stuff they're into. Anyone see the "creative" ways some in Japan are using Kinect? I'm sure that's exactly what MS had in mind when creating that worthless wannabe Eyetoy.

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Last edited by Jawknee on 7/7/2010 11:03:39 AM

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hot asian wife huh, now that description you told me about your sister's wife just got hotter, hahaha.

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Oh man, her whole family is beautiful. Luckily i got the best one.

;)

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The whole censorhip thing has to do with the quaker like laws that the allies instaled in Japan after WWII. So people found loop-holes and that is why it is censorship is like that.

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Although the PC version of Fortune Arterial is for Adults, the PS3 version won't be. What they do is edit out the pornographic material and make it strictly a visual novel. This is because Sony DOES have a policy about refusing +18 rated content on their platforms, especially if it's porn-related. This isn't the first time an eroge (the name of these types of visual games) gets ported to the PS3 either. Titles like Clannad, White Album, and Tears to Tiara are a few others that recieved un-adulted PS3 ports. The chances of any of them arriving overseas are practically non-existant [unless you choose to import]. Record of Agarest War is pretty much the closest [and probably the only] thing close to a visual novel we'll ever get

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Not quite, we did get Sakura Wars (years later, once everyone stopped playing their PS2s...).

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I don't really understand why this article is here. Some points:

1. There are lots of console adaptions of visual novels in Japan. This is nothing new.

2. The console adaptions of eroge typically censor or remove all the adult parts (which are usually only a small portion of the games...these aren't exactly porn).

3. This game, just like all the other visual novels in Japan, will never be released here, censored or not.

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PS3 news :P

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@Ben
You don't like Akira? Buh?!
Well thank you Mr. Ebert of anime! j/k

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Like Highlander said, its a love it loathe it situation.

I happened to love it.

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Funny joke but he said he didn't like it. He'd be pulling an Ebert if he said Akira wasn't Anime.

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From my perspective I thought everybody loved it.

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lol everyone i made watch it with me, hated it. I thought i was the only one who liked it.

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I loved it too Jawknee. I guess we have something in common after all!? ;)

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YES! I think we may have both commented on a site whos now just reporting the PSN Leap Year error as if it were news today.

Were you that same Highlander? I sent the link to your PSX inbox. Quite funny if it was you.

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That was me...

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Was PSN down today or something?

Why would they blame the months old leap year bug too? Odd..

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I think it was an odd coincidence. There was an extensive downtime for PSN maintenance, and PlayStation dot com was offline at the same time. I think that the person behind the article was either reporting the leap year thing mistakenly believing it to be happening now - thanks to the PSN downtime, or they were simply trolling.

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Last edited by Highlander on 7/7/2010 2:08:20 PM

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? Yeah, I don't get the Japanese either. The weirdest porn fetishes in the world, Hentai and whatever else they've got over there, and they feel the need to censor pubic hair. Very odd people.

As for this title, well it's not so different from many other visual novels available on the system in the Japanese region. I don't really see it coming anywhere else uncensored, but even if it did, I wouldn't bother with it.

P.S. I liked Akira, never did see the end of it though. The disc I rented stopped working in the last twenty minutes. Apparently they're making a liv version... Ugh.
Peace.

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Why on earth would anyone try to make a live action version of Akira? The final 20 minutes of the movie alone would be insanely hard to translate to live action.

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I dunno. Apparently it's based more off the original manga and split into two movies. It's Hollywood Highlander, need I say more. Then again, it might have been cancelled. Let me check.

Wikipedia quote:
Talks began again as Warner Brothers signed on to produce the movie with Stephen Norrington (writer) and Jon Peters (producer).[17] Akira was to be developed into two live action films; the first was to be scheduled for a summer 2009 release.[18] Warner Brothers and Appian Way planned to adapt the two movies from the manga, with each one covering three volumes. Ruairi Robinson signed on as director, Gary Whitta wrote the script and Andrew Lazar, Leonardo DiCaprio, and Jennifer Davisson were to produce the film.

Andrew Lazar has stated that the film is not dead and is in fact a priority project for Warner Bros. Pictures and when it does go into production, it will be very high budgeted.[19] Screenwriters Mark Fergus and Hawk Ostby are currently working on the script. Gary Whitta has revealed that he has no idea whether they are re-working his script or starting from scratch.[20] The film is still on course to be released in 2011.[21]

NY Magazine has recently stated that Warner Brothers is in negotiations with the Hughes Brothers to direct the film.[22]

On June 17, 2010, Lazar said that a new writer had been hired and that the movie was being fast tracked. He also stated that the first movie would be based on volumes 1–3 and a second movie would be 4–6. The film will also be PG-13.[23]

Hollywood.
Peace.

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@highlander
because hollywood is already out of material and they decided to ruin other things that people liked. kinda makes me think that writer's stike was crap. all it did was delay or end the shows i watched early, all 3 of them. movies are still mostly crappy or even worse.

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Censored or not this isn't really my thing, so I wouldn't have to really worry about it, but I'd prefer it if sony stayed classy and kept the porn off my console.

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They will - keep it classy that is.

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Last edited by Highlander on 7/7/2010 1:59:31 PM

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I don't really doubt them, I mean they haven't let me down so far, I'm just saying, that's how I like it, classy.

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I only watch anime that make me crack up so this kind arent even on my radar. but sadly most of the shows coming out are using the high school setting but as long as it doesnt go too far its alright. I tried watching this anime school days once because it said it was a comedy on its description but it was entirely disturbing i deleted it right away. what happened to anime quality like in love hina? that was hilarious.

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Creepy is not the word. Maybe the Japanese pedophile police will be knocking on the doors of certain PSN account holders?

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LOL! Entrapment!

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Oh man, apparently the Child Pornography Prevention division of the FBI is the 2nd highest funded program in the FBI. I guess it's the only program they have that every country in the world cooperates with 100%.

My uncle's friend (uncle works in computer security and heard this story from an internet crime division friend of his in the states with the FBI) said they got into the office at 9am, had some old guy asking him if he was a virgin by 9:08, agreed to meet at a location by 9:45, and he was arrested in Russia by Russian police by 9:48. If it was any other criminal, it probably would have taken a few months.

The funniest part of that story, is that my uncles friend even admitted to the pedophile that he was police. The guy was like, "Are you a cop?" and the FBI guy said "yes", but the pedophile didn't believe him and kept going. LOL!

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Here's your problem. Despite the obvious nature of the material, no real person is involved, it's all drawings and 'art'. I understand the way you feel and agree with that sentiment, but have we reached the point where lawmakers can legislate thoughts?

It's an uncomfortable topic because our first instinct is to call it what it is and wait for the police. But the trouble is the question of what crime has actually been committed? Unless the country has a law that makes it possible for certain drawings to be deemed pornographic (BTW the UK now has such a law), there is little that the police can do.

The wider issue is one of intellectual freedom. In other words, we humans can imagine just about anything. Do we want to get into the business of legislating thought? If you do, how do you prosecute someone for thinking immoral things? I mean I think there are obvious lines which right thinking people do not, and should not cross. However those are moral choices we make. If someone creates this kind of material and someone else enjoys it, who is the victim? Against who has a crime been committed? Because it's all drawn and created from the imagination of the creator there is no victim. The person who enjoys the material is similarly committing no real crime since, once again, there is no victim. Sure it can be called perverted, deviant and morally repugnant. But does that make it a crime?

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I think you raise the accountability to freedom of speech issue again. Certainly a professional realm would be able to criticize and even discipline based on things said in the workplace or in politics. All humans think immoral thoughts at some point and of different natures. The accountability clicks in when one decides what to do with those thoughts.

Most healthy individuals do nothing to act on those thoughts and may even take steps to limit the chance of thinking them ever again.

Although there is no primary victim, it is entirely possible that a 3rd party uninvolved in the process could suffer. I know for a fact, that an event like that appearing on tv or even just having the knowledge of this type of things existence, can do a number on someone who has suffered a real life instance and has not properly healed from the trauma.

Obviously, it's a bit much to force everyone to tiptoe around in case there's someone Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome hanging around. But I would probably be very cautious about trusting someone who artistically portrays such evils as rape as entertainment and even more so be un-trusting of the consumer.

But you're right. There's no way to penalize that, and I'm not sure we should. A tricky topic with many varying opinions, to be sure!

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Last edited by Underdog15 on 7/7/2010 3:35:06 PM

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That's it exactly. Please don't anyone think I condone those making this type of stuff - or worse. I am not in any way condoning it. But, it is an incredibly tricky issue, precisely because it can be so emotionally charged, especially for those who have been victims of very real abuse in the past.

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The problem is not that this has "bad drawings" or that it's a "bad game." The problem is that this kind of material advertises a certain mentality. Expose yourself to the wrong advertising long enough and you may very well find yourself liking the product.

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It isn't surprising how things turn out though, since Japanese women look 12 until they are 30, then boom downhill.

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I consider this game an insult to all adults gamers.

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Last edited by Wissam on 7/7/2010 4:40:15 PM

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I'm an otaku but I'm not interested in this.

I prefer Japanese dev making games from One Piece or Reborn!

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You're an otaku? Cool!

Now I have a strange urge to call you Otacon.

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Oh man this is stupid and I feel sort of ashamed.

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You love shoes don't you?

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Its weird.

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I love jeans more but a photo of that would be more annoying..

These boots are Sebago Docksides so it's okay ;D

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i know i'm going to take or get a lot of heat from this, but as far as underage hentai, whether it be anime or manga, i could care less. now, hentai manga is called doujin. doujin is where they take popular manga comics and put them in perverted scenes, like bleach, one piece, street fighter, bayonetta, etc. sometimes they create there own stories. as far as underage goes, they call that loli, short for lolita (i guess). the genres range from (there are japanese terms, but i can't think of it right now) gay, straight, or both, incest, transsexual, hermaphrodite, again and or both, and torture. transexual porn is often referred to as futa. futa is short for efff up the a@#. as far as loli doujin goes, wouldn't that be considered anyone portrayed under the age of 18 or 21? so what if in doujin people 17 and 22 are getting it on? now, the first people to complain about this, are people with kids. but for the 18 or twenty year olds, or older who are a bit curious, if you think the american garbage cartoon (dc and marvel, i'm talking to you) the japanese anime, and manga is detailed, you should see certain doujins. i'm not kidding. you'd think it was a legitimate porn industry that just did comics and or doujins. again, the japanese (there are exceptions) has got the american porn comics beat. i think, but there are over 30000 plus writers and or artists of doujins. i don't think the writers are restricted to just men either. in japan, there's what they call not an an anime convention, but a convention that caters to mostly doujins called comiket. it happens twice a year for three days. it's where famous writers of known, recent and or rare doujins sell there comics. the population for comiccon is 125000 or a little more. the people who attend comiket is in yhe range of 500000. yes, you heard me right. all in loooong lines waithing to meet, buy or get an autograph signing of their favorite doujin artist and or writer. your right, in japan, live action porn has mosaic and or censored scenes and in there porn mags. unfortunately, even in doujin they have these silly bars and mosaics that almost and or barely cover the insertion, penise (sorry for the misspelling), vaginal insides, anus, etc., no matter what the genre is. oh, i'm so sorry this isn't in multiple paragraphs. and i hope i'm not being to offensive and or graphic. the second hypocrites are the doujins websites that doesn't support it, but peddles everything else, but at the same time, has a sh#@load of viruses, spamware, and sponsors peddling the same "meet legal teens for casual sex crap for a fee of coarse." the thing is free but with all of the spamware, viruses, without virus protection, it's can literally efff up your computer. there sponsors that support the site, caters to loli (i think.) if it's the same site i'm thinking off, it can be pretty hardcore. ok, now third offensive hypocrites, maybe the first is the porn stores and maybe the american and european industry in general (i think they are about the same). why? it kinda goes back to the parents or people without kids who feel the same way. why have 18 be the number where it's considered legal age? why not 19-24. (i think) in japan, some states, maybe somewhere in europe, the legal age to marry or have consentual sex is under 18. that doesn't mean you can literally put them in a sex scene. the 1st argument is maturity, who is to say who is considered mature or not based on the age of 18? if a parent says if a 16 year old and a 20 year old getting sexually involved is the same as a 30 year old marrying someone ten or more years older, then what? he's an as@2ole, he doesn't know what he's talking about? what if it's considered stagatory rape if it's consentual in addition to her having a kid prior to the relationship and she's just turned 17. you have these television shows teen moms (i don't think that show premiered yet), 16 and pregnant, date my mom, what, no date my dad?? let me stop by saying, "DON'T HAVE UNDERAGE SEX PERIOD, GOT IT!! OR LOOK UP UNDERAGE PEDIPHILE PORN PERIOD!! I DON'T CARE WHAT COUNTRY YOUR FROM, USA OR ABROAD!!" what, is it 2 or six life sentences? no possibility of parole? a life sentence is 10 years right? where was i, oh, in european and american porn, i don't know what is considered prohibited other than fisting, golden showers, and or literally punching someone in the face. the genres are pretty diverse and in my opinion very liberal. the only thing that separates this from doujin is 4 things. one, the legal age is 18 or older. two, they got them beat in the looks department because their anatomy can and or is very exaggerated, whether it be the breasts, genitals, penises or what have you. not to be too graphic but there "money shot scenes" in live porn can greatly pales in comparison. 3rd, the background set may be movie based or just sex scenes in general, but in doujin, their background settings and scenes can almost be limitless. in live porn movie based and or just sex scenes, there budget only goes so far, it's not like avatar or you can fill in the blank. 4th, i wouldn't even have to include loli doujin, but i will, the fact that on the other side of this is pedolphilea or live action loli, verses a detailed still legal i think loli doujin, is very intriguing. especially given the fact that live loli offers a death sentence in a prison. especially when certain people say, i like this loli doujin, but not this. is all legal live porn and non loli doujin legitamite? you've heard the phrase " i don't like manga, but hentai i like?" well, some live porn movies still cater to peoples daddy and or lolita fantasies. now doujin on the other hand, can really cater to lolita fantasies.



just saying.

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Dude, lay off the caffeine. That was one *LONG* paragraph.

I'm trying to distill what you're getting at in that stream of consciousness.

I think you're blurring the difference between live action/video/film of underage sex and cartoon/anime/manga featuring underage looking characters. The thing is that I don't think you can or should blur that distinction.

On the one hand you have one of the most abhorrent crimes on the books - child sex abuse - and on the other you have some dirty drawings and dark thoughts. The two are not even remotely the same thing.

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Hit Enter sometimes.

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But I wonder, These "AO" (18+) have most charaters 18 Below. Hmmm....

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i thought sony said we wont be getting porn on the system ;)

id love to see another leisure suit larry on the ps3, i really enjoyed box office bust just the humor and tongue in cheek of it.

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highlander, i'm just defending doujin in general, including loli. and i don't think it should be banned or considered criminal, that's all. by the way, as far as porn goes, if sony would or could upgrade their web browser to that of a computer, you could download all the porn you want. in addition to vivid entertaionment, all they would have to do (i guess) is set up a program that let's the ps3 owner download the porn on their website and sign a long contract saying that sony nor vivid will be held responsible for damages if kids get a hold of it. oh well. hey, what do you think of that free queen's blade episode? available in america?

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No Problem Marcus, I agree with your defense of the artform, I just wasn't following the long post very well. My apologies.

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highlander, if i give you my ps3 address, will you add me? or vice versa. it just gets to me that, i could see this doujin especially loli to be considered the next "to catch a predator" phenomenon. that is, if it gets popular. well since doujin is in japanese and may contain loli, the local porn shops will not touch it. could you imagine someone putting you away in prison for having it or creating it? oh well. what say you?

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