Helghast Culture, Humanity On Display In Killzone 3

All you need is a better story and killzone is perfect.

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no, no. all you need is for rico and natko to die in the most unheroic ways possible.
THEN it will be perfect

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And maybe bring the POV up from the center of the chest to the eyes :)

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All good points.

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HAHA, yeah I defiantly agree that Rico should die. He pretty much ruined the game for me. WTF, what was the point in killing Visari? and he seriously needs some rage management.

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I like Rico, he may use the f bomb a lot but he has a past. His character fits his story pretty well. But GG has said they have toned that down a lot, I bet you'll all love Rico this go round!

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rico is an idiot lol and i hate him!

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Hmm...You know what's interesting is that every time I see the Helghast soldiers in their armor and helmets I have always, *always* been reminded of the Nazi shock troops from the second World War. Something about them just created that impression.

Funny that it turns out that the Helghast are in some way reflective of that.

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But wasn't gorilla going for the Nazi kind of feel with Killzone to begin with? I remember something about them saying they wanted to make a fictional story but something that would seem like it could be real (something like that can't remember this was awhile back)

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I don't know, but if they were going for that, they succeeded.

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It's exactly wat they were going for. A scifi war, but shades of our own realities and history.

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So are we gonna feel bad for the space Nazis?

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Doubt it. I say we take off and nuke 'em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

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LOL! ^

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Whom ever thumbed Highlander down must not have seen Aliens.

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LOL, Jawknee, I'm impressed that at least 7 out of 8 people did see Aliens, and recognize the quote.

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My question is why the heck haven't they seen Aliens?!

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You might want to read through Sony's new terms of use now that 3D is showing up on their console. You might not be so keen on playing either of those games in 3D for more than 20 minutes.

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all kinda of medical problems?

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It's an interesting read. I'll put it that way.
Here's the link. Scroll down to number 17 about 3D.

http://us.playstation.com/support/termsofuse/index.htm?EMC-PSUWelcome&ATTR=PSU_PSNTOSUAEM_W001_PPP_AL2_001_TOS_T#PSNToSUA

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This is kinda what I was saying about half a dozen 3D articles back. There are health effects for sensitive individuals, and some people may simply not be capable of experiencing stereoscopic 3D anyway.

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More reason to back up why I don't think 3D 'is' the future.
A gimmick, 3D was a big thing, haled as the future of cinema/tv back with the red and blue glasses and it flopped into obscurity shortly after back then. I don't think now will be any different, although we'll be made to believe it is.

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All games have a warning about epilepsy and seizures and mentions they're possible if you don't have epilepsy. This is simply so Sony can cover their butts if people do have health problems caused by 3d in the same regards.

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I thought 3d was a fad too. But I dont think its going anywhere. The industry is pushing it really hard, as hard as blu-ray. I was in Sears the other day and they said they are having to order the t.v. now because they can't keep em stocked. People are buying these its going a long ways.

And yeah the epilepsy seizure thing, has to be put somewhere for Sony's sake. It doesnt mean its a very common thing, its just a warning to the user. But I know that some people will be sensitive too it. As for myself I can sit in front of it all day, so ill be bathing in 3d, as soon as I get my t.v!

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People with medical issues and people wearing glasses (which number quite a few in our society) will surely restrict the number of total potentials sales these companies could get... they are pushing this hard, and yet large swathes of our society may not be able to enjoy it...

Sorry, but 2D is here to stay for a very very very long time...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

*Currently in Taipei, Taiwan

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2d will always be the standard, always!

Thats why I dont get what every one is fussing about the 3d t.v.s. Its not like you lose the 2d aspect, its a big fat bonus having 3-d.

You made a very obvious point, that 2d will be here for ever! 2d is standard, will be forever, but having 3d is an experience!

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I'm looking forward to the first Hollodeck.

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@frostface, sancho's comment puts these warnings in precisely the context they should be taken.

As for large swaths of society unable to take advantage, I read a report yesterday that claimed that 1 in 12 people in the UK have a vision disorder that doesn't affect their normal every day vision because depth perception is based on many different aspects of vision, not simply the stereoscopic nature of having two eyes. Such people do not 'see' the 3D the rest of us do. These are the only ones that may not benefit at all by 3D. There is some discussion about the actual numbers of people in this group. 1 in 12 seems rather a larger proportion, but I'm no eye doctor, so I'll take their word for it.

As for glasses wearers, you can purchase, for less than 420, a pair of clip on circular polarized filters compatible with the RealD 3D standard used in the cinema. In fact you can buy your own RealD 3D glasses in various styles for prices ranging from $5 to whatever you're willing to pay. This solves the issue for the cinema quite nicely. I haven't yet seen many solutions for the active shutter glasses for home use. although I noticed that Panasonic - for example - has designed their active shutter glasses in a way that looks like it would accommodate spectacle wearers. As the technology matures, I still expect to see something like the RealD system in the home. Time till tell.

Despite my own skepticism over 3D, I do think that the technology is here to stay, I don't think it's a mere gimmick. 3D is already cheaper and easier to get into than HD was at the same point in it's life. 3D content is coming, primarily in the form of movies and games. But some TV is being done in 3D, and 3D consumer devices for still and video photography are coming into the market as well. I am kind of expecting 3D photography to be something of a killer app. It's not quite like having a hologram, but it definitely seems to add something unique.

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@Highlander, I'll agree with the context in which Sancho's post sets out. And I'm not an eye doctor, so I'll take that what you read makes you more informed than me on that part of the subject.
But we'll have to agree to disagree regarding it being a fad and around for a long time. I don't believe it will be around that long, but I may be wrong!

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Move's the best *pardon the pun* move for Sony. 3D just isn't everyone-friendly. I can only appreciate 3D movies when I'm wearing glasses but get a headache after a while so same goes i guess when its 3D games

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I didnt mind, the lack of knowledge concerning the Helghast in KZ2. I liked the questioning part of it. I actually thought to myself that the Helghast might actually be the good guys on more than one occassion (obviously not though, with the nazi reference and all).

I will howveer welcome more details which obviosly will make for a better story. KZ3 is shaping up to be my most anticipated game from here on out! I'm thrilled about GT5, but I really want a G27 wheel, before im all in!

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Last edited by bigrailer19 on 7/14/2010 12:05:03 AM

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They really didn't need to improve on much for Killzone 3, I thought everything minus the dialog in KZ2 was perfect. But look what all of those babies did, they cried about the "weighted" controls and now they are gone. One of the more impressive parts about KZ2 was the enemy AI, superior to many of any other shooter in my opinion.

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Last edited by BeezleDrop on 7/14/2010 12:04:08 AM

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I always like More Story in my FPS

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It's a short coming in most sadly.

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Okay, this is interesting. I really was wondering what we were fighting for, or rather against in Killzone 2. It seemed like a game out of context, and this will fix that seemingly. Great, now tell me that we will be able to use more tactics than simply walk in, dodge bullets and pick off bad guys one at a time. I want to be able to climb a building and snipe them as the rest of the squad fights below. I want to be able to FLANK damnit. How many games let you flank your enemies? I suppose there usually aren't enough AI squad members but whatever.

Also, tell me that it will be a fifteen hour campaign or longer and keep up on that, yeah?

Peace.

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I you want to learn more about the back story go to the offical killzone website and look at the story area in the info section. It has a fairly good time line that goes from the time when space colonation started to the start of Killzone 2.

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The Helghast got sick and it made them weaker but in the end.....it made them stronger......

I do wonder if the Helghast were once normal average dude like humans.

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Yes, they were human settlers on Vekta that were forced to move to Helghan.

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i wish they would add a great story to KZ3, explain why were at war with the higs, explain why we kicked them off vetka, who they are, why they chose helghan as their new home planet.
KZ2 had no story what so ever, it was just point and shoot at anything with orange eyes!
why are we at war with these people?
why are we destroying their planet?
why do we hate them so much?
what does rico have up his a$$?
no seriously, why is that guy so angry?
he must have a frozen 10 inch poll up his A$$ to be that angry that often!

that, and open up the gameplay, add in some new enemy classes,new environments and add in some new weapons.
one thing i learned about crysis 2 today and this is something every game should have in it!
the AI in crysis 2 will react to your character, the way you play, the environments, and the weapons and equipment you have.
so if your a character who has heaps of body Armour, they will try to take you from a far appose to say if your a enemy built for speed instead they will take you up close.

if your constantly cover camping, enemies will spam grenades at you to try and get you out of cover.
instead of hiding behind cover themselves they will come up to you and try to flank you, lead you out of cover.

if your taking cover behind a piece of cover, and theres a light above you, or a flammable barrel or a environmental hazard instead of shooting at you, or your cover they will shoot those and try to get you out of cover.
thats one thing i really want to see added into games, complete tactical environmental destruction.
instead of killing 10 enemies in a room by shooting them, blow out a supporting beam and cause the roof to collapse on them!

if you have a shotgun or a RPG or something powerful designed for CQC enemies will stay back and take cover take you from there.
if you have a pistol, or something weak, or something designed for LQC enemies will rush up or flank you.
same thing if your running and gunning, say your sprinting at a enemy if you have a pistol and he has a shotgun well your a idiot! but he will stand his ground.
but if your the one with the shotgun, and he has a piston the enemy will try and take cover, or do something to get away from you.
most games do not do this, most games just come at you, or stay back and cover camp so you do the same!

that is one thing all games really need to add in, this stops the gameplay from getting repetitive and boring, it keeps the player on his toes constantly forcing him to rethink his tactics.
instead of just cover camping, and only leaving cover to dodge a grenade, or move forward.

new environments, which as far as i have seen are a mix of snow and the old game, i hope they have more than that!
i REALLY! want KZ3 to be a much more open world shooter than KZ2, no not only KZ3 but all shooters!
instead of it being linear like the last game was, have multiple ways to tackle a area.
some areas had that, like the part where you get separated from the group and crawl through the tunnel.
you can take the higs from the top, or climb down for some CQC but than theres only 2 of them there!
most levels in KZ2 have you in a room at one end, and enemies in the other end only one way to take them out.
no flanking opportunities, no opportunities to say hey a$$ hole up here!
2 imaginary cookies to whoever can remember what movie thats from!

add some new enemy classes, and this time have them behave differently to other classes.
the scouts, engineers, grunts, elites all act the same!
all the enemies besides the snipers, take cover and wont leave cover till there A dead or B dodging a grenade or C rifle butting you.
what is the point of spending all the time animating new characters, designing their clothes if there going to act and behave like everyone else!?
enemy classes are there to give the game a breath of fresh air, instead of fighting the same enemy for 10+ hours!
the only enemies that were different were the snipers, which rarely popped up in the game, and were easily dealt with, much easier than other enemies!
or the ATAKS which if memory serves me there was only one big one which was a boss fight, the other smaller ones were piss weak! or the big guys with suits on their back.
you cant have 3 types of different enemies in your game, you need heaps more than that!

add some new cool weapons, we have seen the new missile launcher thats cool and all but how about a new cool plasma rifle or something?
and this time, dont give us the games best weapons and restrict their use to one or 2 levels!
the bolt gun was such a cool gun, one of my favorite widely used guns in games!
the electric gun was also really cool!
what is the point of giving us a really cool gun, and limiting its use to 1% of the game?
i understand they were crazy powerful, having them too often would unbalance a game but why not have cheats, or a new mode once you finished the game allowing you to use anything for the FUN of it?

thats another thing i really miss in todays games!
what ever happened to cheats?
you know the funny stuff we use to have in ps1 games, like become invisible stuff like that for a good laugh!
yea they make the game easy and unbalanced, but so what?
i thought games were suppose to be fun, not super hard and all serious like!

another thing, what happened to being able to play through a game once you finished it with all your acquired abilities?
thats one thing that really disappointed me with GOW3, i was expecting to be able to start a second playthrough with all my power ups but nope!
thats unless you use the glitch, cant remember which one found it on youtube.

ah, i feel so much better now!
to cut a long story short, change those things and KZ3 will be GOTY 2011 and maybe even live up to the expectations and finally be the game KZ2 should of been!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Was it wrong of me to have read all of that, and actually agreed with a lot of it? Y'know, I always assumed that I could ramble, but I've got nuthin'... NOTHING on Mr. Anonymous Cowherd (as Highlander calls him). Seriously, that was awesome, that is all.

Peace.

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Lol agreed
Wow I read all that?

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Last edited by PAKINIPS on 7/14/2010 6:40:32 AM

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Holy, Crysis 2 boast AI that react to what you use and equipped?

Seriously? Now that's awesome!!!

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well according to gameinformer yes it does, pritty sure it was gameinformer, either that or OPM AU the latest editions.
now weather that is true or not,well..............
i have my doubts because ive never seen a game come close to even that, so if its true good on crytek!
this is why they are and always will be one of the industries best developers!
thats IF its true.

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Excuse me Mr. ___________,

The ISA is @ war with the Helghan because they attempted to invade Vekta and were thwarted by the heroic efforts of Jan Templar, Rico, some Assassin Chick, and Hakka in the first Killzone. The ISA were obviously furious and declared war on the Helghan thus, the invasion of their planet. I suppose knowing the events of the first game would help quite a bit but, one thing I can agree on after one of the worlds BIGGEST posts is that the story should help catch up people that aren't fans and tell a good one, because without a good story you have nothing.

Crytek already labeled one of the best Dev's because of 3 games? Not practical.

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Last edited by BeezleDrop on 7/14/2010 9:36:15 AM

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lol once again he speaks about which he does not know! Good job pointing that out Beezledrop.

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Any summary posts? Couldn't read through all that :)

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About the A.I. in KZ, play it on elite and you will see A.I. tactics above this level. They will use some pretty advanced squad based tactics to kill you.

In the enviroment part. Along with the Northern part you will have the city, nuclear wasteland, a toxic and very hostile forest, and a space level (outside the ship I belive).

About the characters acting. They do act diffrently, plus there is 14 Helghast enemy types. A example that is easiest to see is during the village level. The miners will do a direct assult at you in a blitz style. However the LMGs will use cover and squads tactics to take you out. Then there is the commando (guy w/ shotgun and white strip) who charges you as close as possible so he can blow your head off. The Flamerthrower guy will stay back and try to create a wall of fire that will distract you well the normal guys flank and kill you. Each of the 14 or 15 (depends if you count the 2 types of heavies as one or two) clases have a differant tactic.

You use specal guns more than you let on. You can use the bolt gun the whole village level and in a few more levels. You can use the arc gun for the majority of the refiner level. Then the flamethrower (my favorite weapon after the knife) is found in almost every level and is very powerful and fun.

On the topic of Crysis 2. The game is looking okay but not the holy grail of gaming. You have 1 enviroment and from the demo it plays as a somewhat generic shooter, sure there is some diffrences, like destructable enviroment, but things like that are not that innovative any more. Also I think there dev team may be the cockiest guys I ever heard. They went out in a enterview and said Crysis 2 will be "the best-looking, best-playing, most compelling, greatest experiance you can have on the Playstation 3". I see that they are trying to hype a game up but seriously, have they ever played a game on the PS3?

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Last edited by sirbob6 on 7/14/2010 11:47:03 AM

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Don't even bother trying to debate this guy. Last week he wasn't going to get KZ3 because it was just KZ2 with jetpacks, this week hes denying he said it. The guy never ceases to amaze me with this foolishness.

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@ spiderboi

Basicly he dislikes the story in KZ2

Crysis 2 has good AI, which make Crytek the greatest developer ever.

Complains about supposed lack of varity in KZ2.

Complains about lack of cheat codes.

Then says KZ3 may be 2011 GOTY.

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Jeepers, if it's gonna be THAT long, at least through in an intro, a body, and conclusion. Maybe even a table of contents. At the very least, have some direction. Holy fricken' ADHD, man! The scroller on my mouse just broke.

I feel guilty about posting a lengthy post at half that length.

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Well...you've made a believer out of me. I guess a lot of games need some tweaking...especially in the AI department of things. It would be better if individual enemies were better equipped and intelligible to the point that running and gunning, then hiding and killing looping over and over again isn't the only tactic necessary to achieve victory, it just sounds so mindless and inspires carelessness. Good rant. I love when people speak the truth; the truth is what allows reform thus revolution.

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I would have to say that the A.I. in KZ2 was pretty darn near that. Haha, I found it absolutely unbelievable when I was playing the Blood Meridian level and I was taking cover behind a support beam and there was an explosive barrel next to me. All of a sudden as a wave of Helgast reinforcements came and I heard one of em say "SHOOT THE BARREL", OMG, jumped out and ran somewhere else and would you believe it, it blew up.

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It does seem like KZ3 is going to have a real story, i mean something with real substance. the whole greyness interms of good vs evil, that is always a good story. and its not exactly been overused in the games industry. not like evil PMCs.

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Before KZ2 came out I found myself wanting to know more about the original. After watching the opening on youtube I quickly searched for copies of the game (despite the reviews) and was pleased to find new copies on Amazon for $5. I highly suggest that anyone who has questions about the Helghast to purchase and play the game. You will need some patience to work through some of the gameplay but the story is fantastic. I found that my perception of the KZ2 story line differed greatly from people who had not played the original - I was really hoping for the Helghast to get some serious payback for the ISA's crimes against their people and while the end did manage to set that up, they are still perceived (mostly because of their appearance) as the evil empire that they are not.
I think KZ3 has the opportunity to be epic and I hope that the game is taken in the direction that they so eloquently began with the first chapter.
No matter what happens - February cannot get here soon enough!

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Hey, bit off topic, but it seems killzone 3 will be adapting run and gun controls for thos other FPS fans. Now i don't know if it's in addition or anything (i sure hope so, seems like it), otherwise this can be added to the influence of twitch gaming on developers.
Here's the link from GT.

http://www.gametrailers.com/news/killzone-3-adapts-run-and/2290

original source is destructoid;

http://www.destructoid.com/killzone-3-controls-less-heavy-more-run-gun--178784.phtml

Anybody else a bit worried?

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Last edited by Ergi on 7/14/2010 2:31:43 PM

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PSX reported this 2 days ago. Your late. :)

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/7417.html

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oops sorry, gotta pay better attention

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haha no worries.

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I wonder if for KZ #4, they'll make that game ONLY from the Helghast point of view, and we'll get play the whole game from their side.

I know I for one, would definitely like to be able to play the game from a much different species point of view too.

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GG should go ahead and add an alternate campaign to KZ3 for the Helghast. That way you can do both.

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Last edited by sirbob6 on 7/14/2010 4:55:03 PM

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