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BioWare: Don't Overreact To Dragon Age II Changes

Ever since BioWare officially announced Dragon Age II, many fans of Origins have been voicing their displeasure concerning the obvious changes.

The prime concerns seem to focus on two things: the inclusion of a set-in-stone main character, Hawke (rather than a character the player builds from scratch) and the Mass Effect-like alteration to the dialogue system. Well, the RPG maker has responded to these concerns, and they seem a little surprised that so many so-called fans are passing judgment before they know everything about the game. Firstly, although Hawke is a set character, he remains fully customizable in terms of appearance, and you can even select his class. Secondly, the inclusion of a voice for Hawke doesn't necessarily mean we're leaving traditional WRPG formulas behind. Thirdly, it hasn't exactly been confirmed that traditional dialogue mechanics are the only option for the Dragon Age universe; a more modern, updated style of interaction might fit just fine. Added lead writer David Gaider:

"People appear to be acting as if the scant details we've revealed are all they'll ever learn about the game ever, and they're thus required to render judgment immediately.

You're really not. You might, in fact, want to see exactly how we're implementing these features you dislike and seeing for yourself whether they differ from, say, Mass Effect's. There are similarities, of course, but there are also differences."

Some might be psyched for a ME/DO blend but we're not even sure that's what we're getting... The point is, when you generate so many fans for one particular style and one particular game, they're going to be upset with changes that are perceived to be significant. And although it's an argument that can rage for quite some time, the bottom line is that we need to know more before making a final decision.

Related Game(s): Dragon Age II

Tags: dragon age 2, bioware, changes

7/14/2010 12:02:07 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (36 posts)

maxpontiac
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 12:15:13 PM
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No overreacting here. That game is on the top of my list for next year!!

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eLLeJuss
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 12:31:05 PM
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I hated dragon age. Worst game i played this gen. Walk a little and "GATHER YOUR PARTY AND VENTURE FORTH" or something. Finished it though but i had to force myself. lol

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bOnEs
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 12:55:01 PM

i just rented this game yesterday and i too am having a hard time getting into it... it just seems like a hack-n-slash... i don't see the RPG elements at all because, the basic attack seems to be working quite well...

the graphics are bland, the framerate gets annoying, and the constant dialog keeps it from staying fun...

it's meh so, i anticipate the second one to be meh too...

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Alienange
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 1:34:28 PM

Well come on eLLeJuss, what do you want? FFVII remake?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 5:31:42 PM

...twitchers. That game is full of rpg elements.

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bigrailer19
Friday, July 16, 2010 @ 12:46:56 AM

True that world...

I don't care to waste my time, I loved it. It was my favorite RPG last year!

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frostface
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 12:31:52 PM
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I'm sure it'll be a great adventure when all's said and done. They've a good backdrop to work with, as long as they don't make too many changes that take from the feel of the original.

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ed_winchester
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 12:37:40 PM
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Is Origins worth getting? Its going cheap everywhere so wondered if it's worth picking up

This sounds just like the way people reacted when Cole was shown in InFamous 2, people went nuts without knowing anything about he game itself. I'll be honest I was the same (ish), I think the new Cole looks terrible by comparison but if the game is good then I'm not gonna miss out

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 5:32:53 PM

to be fair, making a known hero look like a known child molester is a little different from tweaking the gameplay.

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 12:50:52 PM
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Hmmm...

So, they are putting a few more rails around the character and story elements? That's what this sounds like. I mean if you can only have a specific character (albeit high customizable) that indicates that there is a lot of character specific dialog that only works if you are who they want you to be.

You know what though, I don't see how this can be a bad thing. We've seen in other games that you can have blend of open world, go forth and exterminate game play with a fairly strong story. So why not?

I will have to watch this one.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 5:33:51 PM

The thing is, weren't they just winding about games needing more choices?

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Alienange
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 1:36:50 PM
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Well I was pretty nervous there for a couple of days. These comments actually clear it up nicely. Since commander Shepard could be made female, I guess Hawke will too. Always makes a long RPG more interesting... if you ask me.

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coverton341
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 1:49:18 PM
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The only bit about all of this that I am at least a little wary of is the fact that they seem to have a set character. I don't know enough about it yet to pass judgement though.

It seems that the main character is going to definitely have a specific gender and race though. Maybe not gender, as they did have both male and female options for Shepard in ME.

Race though seems a given, and that makes me a little wary. When given the choice I always without fail opt for something other than human and that just seems to be the way I like it.

Anyway, I will play the wait and see. I really enjoyed the first game and also enjoyed the expansion so I have high hopes for the second game in the series.

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big6
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 2:07:42 PM

Hawke is supposed to be the main character's LAST NAME. You are able to choose gender in Dragon Age 2, as well.

I'm still a little iffy on DA2. I played, and finished, Dragon Age Origins, but it wasn't nearly the RPG I wished it was. It's not bad, though. I did put in a lot of time into it, as some of the stories were fun to play through.

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coverton341
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 2:18:31 PM

That makes me a little less worried but again, the race of the main character almost seems like a given. Only because the may record both male and female voice actors for Hawke as with Shepard but do they really want to record all the lines in both male and female and then in different tones for different races?

I don't know, I am still looking forward to it as I said, I just normally like playing races other than human. No big loss though I suppose.

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Doosharm
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 2:56:53 PM
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You know, I'm kinda getting sick of devs telling us, "Don't worry." I know what I like and what I don't like, and so far I'm not liking this, just as I don't like Cole's new look, just as I don't like the linearity of FFXIII.

The fact of the mater is, we're complaining because the devs are changing something that we LIKED about the originals. Something we hope would return in the same fashion for the sequels. These are the things we hoped would be polished and refined not scratched and replaced.

I feel like this is by far the worst generation for the die hard fans. It seems like there is no such thing as customer loyalty anymore. With almost every new sequel the goal seems to be gaining as many new fans as possible no matter how many old fans you alienate and whenever we speak up we're just told to shush, they know what they're doing and we're going to love it.

Of course, these changes don't mean the game will be bad. Final Fantasy XIII is still a great game but not for hardcore fans of the series. And Infamous 2 will undoubtedly be great but I don't know if I'll ever be able consider it a true sequel when they fundamentally changed the main character. I just don't understand why the opinions of the fans have no bearing on the direction that most devs go. The whole thing just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

</rant>

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 5:39:53 PM

Like when the boys in South Park tried to save good films from being ruined by their own creators. A work of art belongs to the people, so they should have a say.

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jdt1981
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 6:57:18 PM

I hear you man, I think sometime devs are a little arrogant. Sometime developers are like "we're the professionals, we know what we're doing. What, we're going to listen to stupid gamers' opinions? What do they know?..." Then you hear devs say things like "We want to appeal to a larger audience." Which usually means the gameplay, depth and story will be dumbed down, the levels will be allot more linear and the game will focus more on action and twitch gameplay.

If you want to "expand your game's audience that's fine but don't give the finger to your core fans, the people who bought and enjoyed the game the way it was....

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kraygen
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 3:00:10 PM
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Well I don't even see that this is really that different. The first one revolved around your character, they just gave you a few different starting side quests to determine what race you were. They could just as easily do the same thing with hawke.

I see it like this. Whether your character had a name or not in the first one, the game still revolved around that character, regardless of what race or gender you were the story played out the same way.

If you ask me, giving the character a name and voice will only make it better. It can be a lot like the first one, but your character will have more personality instead of being a mannequin.

Regardless of what they say, the decisions you make in the game are all scripted and play out in a predetermined way. It's just an illusion of choice, but these changes might actually make DA2 have a better story.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 4:04:05 PM
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Mainly I don't like the set in stone main character. Sometimes I like to make females for these games.

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ro kurorai
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 5:04:52 PM

I do as well, and BW confirmed that you can customize Hawke's appearance, gender and class, no issues here ;)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 5:35:58 PM

That's good, I know nothing of how ME worked so I plead ignorance. Thought that name has to go, I guess in once sense we were stuck being a Grey Warden last time so it isn't much different.

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ro kurorai
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 5:37:51 PM

Well, Hawke is not that bad at all. Sure, not very original, but it suits both genders ;)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 5:42:10 PM

Wow how did I make so many typos? Anyway, should be a sweet game. I actually have no problem with the battle system fiddling. DA:O was one of the few Western RPGs that had a good ending that was affected plenty by your decisions.

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ro kurorai
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 5:16:29 PM
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Well, I wasn't really thrilled to read that BioWare decided to take an ME2-approach on DA2.

Hope the so-called "action-oriented battle-system" will be exclusive to consoles (where it fits) as I'll be getting the PC version for sure.

Gonna wait for more information to emerge but can't imagine BioWare screwing up on this. Sure I'm a little upset and feel kinda betrayed for more mass-appeal but I trust those guys.

If they can score such excellent lead voice actors as they did for ME I'm cool with it.
BioWare's games are the few of this generation that offer stellar voice acting for each character, no matter how little text they got.

Consequently I'm expecting them to hire exceptional voice actors for Hawke (male/female) and even implement some gender-specific lines.

March 2k11 is still some way off, though.
As mentioned above, gotta wait for more info to emerge before I pass my judgment.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 5:36:29 PM
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So does this mean our DA:O save won't do anything neat?

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ro kurorai
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 5:41:27 PM

That's one of the points I'd like to see clarified by BioWare.
They said that importing saves will be possible but nothing more.
As far as I know, though, DA2's story takes place during the happenings of Origins. After having witnessed BioWare's ingenuity with imported saves in ME2 I have high hopes for DA2 save imports.
BioWare have talented writers, surely they can think of some interesting and funny ways to link saves ^^.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 5:43:30 PM

I have to go through it again since the stupid saves wouldn't transfer in a HDD swap. While I wanted to keep my hero character for the sequel, I got to be evil this time around.

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ro kurorai
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 12:15:53 PM

Yea, keeping my female Paragon Shepard as the main hero throughout the trilogy and the "iconic" male Renegade Shepard as my secondary character ;)

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jdt1981
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 6:39:13 PM
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I have faith that DA2 will be a great game and I'm looking forward to playing it.

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Oxvial
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 8:43:54 PM
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It actually soudns great! like some kind of Zelda but it would be better it they just make this a new franchise and left the title Dragon Age 2 for a game with a gameplay like the first one.

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___________
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 3:47:03 AM
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just because the main character appearance can be fully customizable does not mean there not changing it over the original.
people loved the original so much because they got attached to the character they created, now instead of creating a player your given one.
yes you get to create his appearance, but making a character look the way you want is not the same as building one up from scratch.

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AMG
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 4:38:26 AM
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I'm not worried at all. I trust Bioware to deliver a top notch RPG, their track record gives me little reason to think otherwise.

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BikerSaint
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 4:13:33 PM
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HMMMMM,

BioWare: AAA Development Is "A Poor Goal'
"

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/bioware-aaa-development-is-a-poor-goal/

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bigrailer19
Friday, July 16, 2010 @ 12:48:47 AM
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The only thing I wanted was MP...

With a main character that doesn't seem likely. I really dont understand creating a game with parties but not allowing MP. Its great to be able to control all of the characters by the press of a button, but it would be soo much better to have an actual player control, rather than A.I. since setting up to be healed is tough.

I thought I heard this game would have MP though? I dont know!

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bigrailer19
Friday, July 16, 2010 @ 12:49:44 AM

BTW, BioWare will deliver. I have no doubts for this game!

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