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PlayStation 3: The Only Choice For Hardcore Gamers

Call me whatever you want. Ardently make your case for one of the other platforms. Challenge the definition of "hardcore." I really don't care at this point; I've come to the conclusion that if you're a hardcore gamer, you have no choice but to own a PlayStation 3.

Why? Because I don't associate "hardcore" with time spent, skill or genre. You don't have to play a certain number of hours per week, you don't have to practice endlessly to become the best of the best, and you don't have to play only the deepest RPGs or the most competitive games online. No, in my eyes, the only requirement for the label "hardcore" is you have to love games. You don't stick to any one genre; you simply want to play the best games available, and although we all have our preferences, the quality of our entertainment is all that matters. Brand loyalty is pointless, hostility and massive superiority complexes don't mean anything, and at the end of the day, the hardcore gamer just wants to have fun. He wants the best. Therefore, is it even a question? If we want the best in most every genre, and we want the absolute elite, can we not have a PS3?

Platforming? Not much out there is better than the esteemed Ratchet and Clank franchise. You can be into shooters all you want but they're all sort of blending together these days, and the only games that really stand out seem to be Killzone 2 and - soon - Killzone 3. In terms of open-world action/adventure games, I dare say both inFamous and (next year) inFamous 2 are better than the likes of Crackdown (and GTA and RDR are multiplats, of course). Action...nothing tops God of War III. Nothing. Action/adventure isn't really a question; Uncharted 2 and Metal Gear Solid 4 have that category all sealed up (as good as Gears of War really is). Sports and racing is usually all about multiplats but I think we're all expecting Gran Turismo 5 to outstrip Forza 3 in just about every possible way. And lastly, I ardently believe the PSN has by far the best selection of exclusive downloadables, including Flower, echochrome, Wipeout HD, Joe Danger, Shatter and others.

Yes, if you're "hardcore," you should probably own all three systems. But if you could only have one, I can't imagine any scenario where the 360, Wii or PC is the ideal system for all genres. RPGs remain the only undecided, as most are multiplats and I personally prefer Lost Odyssey to the lacking JRPGs exclusive to the PS3. And of course, it can always be argued that Live is somehow still better than the PSN, but the differences at this point are mostly minimal, and PlayStation Plus makes Live look a good deal less attractive, in my opinion. Even beyond genres, do we get anything like Heavy Rain on any other platform? And in terms of continuing to push the envelope; continuing to excel; continuing to provide gamers with new and improved forms of interactive entertainment, we all know the PS3 has the most potential remaining in the box. That's the way things are.

And by the way, I left 3D and Move/Kinect out of this because I don't have all of that directly in front of me, and I preferred to focus on the games alone for this particular piece.

Tags: ps3, exclusives, genres, games

7/14/2010 8:40:56 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (186 posts)

Highlander
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 9:37:29 PM
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Ben, I know you have been preaching about the variety of games on the PlayStation platform before, and that has always been - for me - one of the key virtues of the PlayStation brand. There is no genre bias, all genre are welcome and all are well served on the PlayStatin. That's not something that can be said of other platforms. When you throw in everything else that the PS3 has over and above what the competition can offer, there is only one choice.

However I think that too many people will read your editorial here as a PS3 fanboy piece. When they do that, they are missing the point. You defined 'hardcore' gamer in a way that I think is by far the most accurate and truthful I have ever seen. Hardcore, or what I have previously called 'core', gamers are gamers that like games, all games and can play pretty much any game and have a good time (assuming the game is any good of course). So many times hardcore gamer is shorthand for first person shooter fan. But that's just not it, and I think that's why people will misunderstand the article.

As you say for the hardcore gamer, the gamer that wants all kinds of game and all things console, the PS3 is the only serious offering that covers everything, whether it's retro gaming, mobile gaming, online gaming digital downloads, disc based or whatever. Still, I fear too many people will flame this for being very fan driven.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 9:46:43 PM

Oh, don't worry. I think we all know that any editorial piece can be construed as "flamebait" these days.

That isn't my problem. It won't stop me from writing what I consider to be valid opinions for the community to comment on and discuss. Just because EVERYTHING is flamebait doesn't mean we're going to never talk about the PS3 and its games. :)

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 10:43:13 PM

Even if it might come across to many as a fanboy piece, I agree with Highlander completely.

I thought a hardcore gamer included all people who play for a certain amount per week, or had the highest stats, kill ratio, or whatever. It is accurately the person who plays the most games, regardless of genre.

This thankfully excludes COD nuts and Xbots who only play MW2 or Halo 3. Sure, they might play it a lot, but they are no where near as hardcore as myself and many other fine gamers on this website. It's also clear that 360 has established itself as the shooter's console of choice, but once that genre fad has passed (which it's starting to now), many more will flock to the next best thing, most likely offered by PS3.

There are Wii gamers which come under 3 categories, kids, casual adults and core fans. The core fans are unfortunately the minority under the Wii, but Mario games, Metroid, Zelda, No More Heroes and the following rush of games like Skyward Sword, Kirby, Epic Mickey, Goldeneye, etc are pushing the Wii back into the spotlight, more so than 360.

PS3 has the most to satisfy the core gamer, and Ben, you nailed them all. Racers, Shooters, Platformers, Action Adventure, Puzzle, but you did forget Sony introduces new genres with the likes of Heavy Rain creating the Interactive Drama genre.

Unfortunately, there is only one feature lacking in the PS3 that continues to make my friends choose Live over PSN, and 360 versions of multiplats over the PS3 version, and that is cross game chat, or the ability to make party groups outside whatever game you're playing.

My friends continue buying 360 games and paying for Gold simply cos of that function. They can chat with each other with the press of a button, simple as that. And Mics came packaged with the 360 console. That is the one and only edge MS has over Sony.

But in terms of hardcore games experiences, yes, Sony is the clear winner.

And now to convince my PC gaming friend and 360 fanboy to buy a PS3. It will save me lugging mine over to his place every time to play Littlebig Planet, or Motorstorm, or Singstar, or Buzz, or Rock Band 2. See, this is why I own a PS3, cos gaming is never boring on the PS3. While my friends are on 360 pushing their kill score on shooters, me and my friends are partying like it's 2009. (I say 2009 cos that was the year PS3 rose and dominated)

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 10:46:41 PM

I would just like to add...

I would love to see these so-called 'core gamers' on 360's try and tackle Demon's Souls.

Since many here play this game, it's pretty clear which gamers can call themselves 'hardcore' and say it with pride and dignity, not as an argument or to boast. (cough... teen Xbots... cough)

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 11:36:58 PM

Highlander
<<<and all are well served on the PlayStatin>>>

Yes indeed, that's definitely a drug well served.

I have that medication prescribed to me as a dose daily of good maintenance.

It's definitely the greatest combination cure-all wonder drug, and youth serum, of all times!

(LOL, just fun'ning on the typo).

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 11:59:00 PM

DanceMachine: It's SO sad that cross-game chat is somehow a determining factor for a console purchase or preference.

If that's all I had to cling to with my machine, I'd freakin' kill myself.

But yes, the point is, the PS3 caters to everyone with top-notch quality in most every category of gaming. I have a 360 for a few exclusives but as was the case with my PS2 and Xbox, the PS2 just eventually ended up delivering more great games. What more is there to say?

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Dancemachine55
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 12:57:58 AM

@ Ben

Very true. No matter how good the online service is, if there are no good games to back it up, then there's no point.

I am not arguing against your idea that PS3 has it all, cos it really does. Shooters are the 360's forte, and it just happens to be what is most popular, especially for online or social gaming. COD and Halo are party games in themselves if you really think about it.

But, in terms of cross game chat, when you have a lot of friends, most of them on 360's (particularly here in Australia where supposed hardcore gamers play 360 more than PS3), cross game chat and 360's easy to use online functions make online multiplayer gaming much more fun.

I tried to chat with 3 friends over PSN and just couldn't do it unless we were in a chat room or playing the same game. Party chat and cross game chat is such an easy way to play with friends, even if you're all not playing the same game. I find it a much more enjoyable experience playing online on 360, mostly cos my friends all have 360's.

But PS3 will be the king of single player games and many multiplayer games. I'm not saying cross game chat is the be all and end all of things, but it is most certainly an important feature, one many of my friends would love in their PS3's.

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Cesar_ser_4
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 5:36:38 AM

So.... the article should be renamed to, Playstation 3, it only does hardcore gaming, with mr. Butler vp of something (cant think of what) saying some cool line...

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Highlander
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 10:24:54 AM

PlayStation 3

It only does...

PS3 games
Online games
Casual games
3D
Motion capture
Motion sensing
Virtual pets
3D card games
Shooters
Platformers
Action
Sports
Football
Home
Darts
Movies
DVDs
BluRay
CD
Music
Internet
Radio
PS1 games
PSP Minis
PSN games
Multi-player games
Hardcore games
Japanese Games
Roel Playing games
Racing simulators
free online
virtual reality
Augmented reality
TV (in selected markets)
DVR (in selected markets)
Bluetooth
Voice chat
Text chat
Beat 'em ups
Fighting games
Sackboys
Mods
...
...
...
Everything.

Kevin Butler : Good god that's a long list. No one else has time for that list, they're too busy changing a ring to a dot.

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WolfCrimson
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 11:23:50 AM

@Highlander: You forgot Self-resurrection.

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Gone
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 2:29:27 PM

Good god that's a long list.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 9:46:28 PM
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I have little time so i try to spend it playing the best of the best and they just all happen to be on Playstation. :)

A few on Wii.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 10:55:32 PM

Honestly, the Wii has more exclusives I want over 360.

In fact, my Wii wishlist is triple the size compared to my 360 wishlist.

We all know about Epic Mickey, Kirby's Epic Yarn, Goldeneye 007, Zelda Skyward Sword, Metroid other M, etc.

But apart from Halo Reach and Gears of War 3, what does MS have to offer? Crackdown 2 isn't as good as they hoped, and is definitely not a system seller. Kinect has no hardcore launch games, and the only one that interests me is Dance Central from Harmonix.

So, apart from those 3 games, what does MS have? COD exclusive DLC? Yay... Woo...
Medal Of Honor is more popular. MS put their eggs in the wrong basket this year.

Like I said, Wii has more than 360, and THAT'S saying something!!!

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 11:07:53 PM

Yea the Wii has a great line up for the rest of this year and early next. They lagged getting some of their main franchises out the door but they are coming.

All those you listed are on my most wanted list as well. Donkey Kong as well.

Not much going for the Xbox. We're 5 years in and all they have is another Halo and Gears. Sucks for them.

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SvenMD
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 9:13:30 AM

Jawknee, how are you feeling about Metroid: Other M??

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Orvisman
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 9:46:56 AM

And Harmonix says Dance Central could come to the Move.

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Jawknee
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 10:31:24 AM

@Sven, all ready preordered it from Amazon. Can't wait. Looks awesome.

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SvenMD
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 10:14:49 PM

Sweet. I'm definitely excited about that one. I hope changing between sideways controller and regular motion control doesn't get annoying though.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 9:47:02 PM
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I am World, and I am a hardcore gamer.

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 9:52:14 PM

I also, am a hardcore gamer.

Maybe we should form a brotherhood or something?

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MyWorstNightmar
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 10:26:39 PM

Will this brotherhood have groupies? If so, can I join?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 10:36:16 PM

It will, but the women have to wear glasses.

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MyWorstNightmar
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 10:39:09 PM

I'm not sure how I feel about that.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 10:57:03 PM

I am a hardcore gamer too.

We shall combine our systems and our game collections to become the ruling gaming entity of the planet!!!!!!

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 11:11:28 PM

LOL!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 1:34:41 AM

Well we have to keep "some" nerdiness from years ago. I will issue the secret pocket protectors.

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Highlander
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 2:26:44 AM

Which sci-fi movie of the 80's shall we take our secret phrases from? I vote Aliens.

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WolfCrimson
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 2:36:54 AM

Should we make a requirement that a gamer should have played Demon's Souls and derived pleasure from the pain, so that they can join this brotherhood?

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FullmetalX10
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 4:05:07 AM

All hail the brotherhood!
Also, All hail Demon's Souls!
I just beat my 9th boss yesterday, death to the Penetrator "Spartans!!! We shall slay the False King next!"
"AHOO!"

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Gamer Girl Gemo
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 6:21:15 AM

Glasses? Is that a requirement? xD
I haven't played Demon's Souls yet, but it's on my GameQ (I'm currently slaving through FFXIII D:)! So... Does that halfway count? Besides, you'll need a hardcore girl gamer... Right? Right?? :]

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SvenMD
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 9:17:05 AM

Motto: "The Brotherhood mostly come out at night....mostly"

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TEG3SH
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 9:17:36 AM

and as for pledges humiliation, we can make them play the wii.lol

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Highlander
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 10:41:36 AM

A pledges humiliation is that they must play an hour of Kinectimals while the assembled brothers and sisters of the Order of Hardcore Gamers pelt them with marshmallows.

Glasses are a must, but I think we'd accept cosmetic glasses, you know the ones that don't have prescription lenses.

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NiteKrawler
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 12:14:50 PM

I'm in. I wanted to cry when they announced that Demon's Souls would have no sequel. Instead of calling ourselves hardcore gamers, we should call ourselves class 3 gamers, and be led by Sir Ian McKellen.

(Mutant Brotherhood reference)

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Gamer Girl Gemo
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 3:07:23 PM

I'm seriously up for this lol :)
And I can deal with non-prescriptioned glasses :D
May the Hardcore Gamer force be with you...

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darxed
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 3:33:03 PM

All hail the brotherhood!
I enjoyed the hell out of Demon's Souls, and recently platinumed FFXIII, so I can join, right?

@TheHighlander
Outstanding. Now all we need is a deck of cards.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 4:02:03 PM

The League of Extraordinary Gamers :)

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Highlander
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 4:25:52 PM

Nice....

As for a deck of cards for the group. Coolness, but I need to be the Joker in The League of Extraordinary Gamers' deck of cards. After all I am TheHighlander and as we all know, there can be only one!

;)

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NiteKrawler
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 5:22:57 PM

Isn't there ordinarily two jokers in a deck of cards? If you want to truly be unique...you could be that weird little card with the instructions and information on it that comes with every deck.

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TEG3SH
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 8:09:04 PM

@ NiteKrawler

lol. soo true :) . so are we making it or wat.

shotgun as the leader of everything

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Highlander
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 10:44:01 PM

Hmmmm... NiteKrawler raises an interesting point. It doesn't sound good to say that you are the "weird little card with the instructions and information of the League of Extraordinary Gamers deck of cards".

OK, well in that case, I'll shoot for the Ace of Spades (somewhere in the world, a Motorhead did a double take because someone mentioned them).

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darxed
Friday, July 16, 2010 @ 9:46:54 AM

@TheHighlander

Actually, I was using one of the secret quotes from aliens you suggested, It happens when they weld the doors then IIRC Hicks says "Outstanding. Now all we need is a deck of cards.", but I guess no one caught that... Well I'm a little embarrassed, I don't know If I should keep posting quotes, now I feel I'd prefer not to. I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid... :)

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Highlander
Friday, July 16, 2010 @ 10:28:09 AM

ARGH!

::Dies in shame for not recognizing the quote::

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Underdog15
Friday, July 16, 2010 @ 10:37:17 AM

I don't know if I can qualify as Hardcore. I just played Wipeout HD for the first time last night and got served a healthy dose of whoppoppage from my wife... She won the race and my first trophy in that game.... *cries*

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SolidFantasy
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 10:16:23 PM
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Well looks like I fit the requirements to be a "hard core" gamer. We're a strong community we are.

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BikerSaint
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 9:25:20 PM

Highlander,
Be the "Ace of Spades"!

The ace is the "HIGH'est" card in the deck.

And it's considered the most important card in getting a "natural" Blackjack(the other one is the Jack of Spades).

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Deleted User
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 10:22:17 PM
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Lost Odyssey is a pretty good JRPG. I'm playing through it right now. I still think Valkyria Chronicles is the best JRPG this generation.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 12:00:59 AM

You have an argument there but I just LOVED Lost Odyssey. Beautiful writing in those dream sequences.

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BeezleDrop
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 10:23:24 PM
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Indeed Gentlemen, it feels good to be part of something that makes a difference! Well most of the time, we save the world frequently and have the choice to be good or bad, plus we are spoiled by Sony. Hardcore is the way to be. Woot

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kraygen
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 10:23:50 PM
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Well as someone who could only afford one system, I own a ps3 because in doing my research I found that it was much more than a gaming console. It is my entertainment system.

I consider myself a hardcore gamer and I don't feel that I've missed much of anything by only owning a ps3. I feel more than content with what it offers.

I have heard many a xbot claim they only wanted a gaming console, well that is lame. If you buy a home do you only need shelter and settle for a tent at the same price as a house, of course not.

Ps3 offers the most diversity in game genre's, the most in multiple entertainment aspects, and continues to provide more and more entertainment options.

In the end, Ben you are correct and I couldn't agree more.

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WolfCrimson
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 2:23:11 AM

I'd like to point this out: Many Xbots claim that they only want a GAMING console when we list the amazing features of the PS3. And when it comes down to online services, they straight-away counter with Cross-game chat. But since when does cross-game chat have anything to do with gaming? Do you see the irony?

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Highlander
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 10:38:12 AM

@Wolfcrimson,

That is a *great* point.

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MyWorstNightmar
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 10:38:24 PM
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I concider myself hardcore. Been playing video games of all sorts for 30 years. I took a year off, after my first kid was born. Of the current genration, I purchased a Wii first. It was the safe choice, as the games were very well suited for my wife, and kid (now I have two kids). But after having it for a year, I wasn't satisfied with the games, knowing about the other games that were out there for the 360 and PS3, but it took me a long time to decide on which one to get. At the time, the 360 was much cheaper. I was leaning towards the PS3, but it cost $500.00 bones. I finally buckeled, and took the leap. I am so happy that I picked the PS3. (I now have the slim instead of the fat one). If I had gotten the 360, I'd be so pissed at myself, as game after game has come out exclusively for the PS3 that would have interested me. At any rate, I would have never gotten the 360, I did way too much research to have made that stupid mistake.

I'm glad I have the Wii, but I would suffer a slow and sad death without the PS3. LONG LIVE THE PS3!!!! (at least 5 more years please)

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diecastpe
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 10:41:02 PM
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Well said Ben, My Librairy contains almost every genre of games there is with even anime(which i'm really not into) with Valkyrie Chronicals, But I have a few Fighting, a few Shooters, Actions, Adventures, Horror, Lego games and all, I really respect the way you refer us hardcore gamers as that; people with a large taste for a large field of games in any genre that're worth our time or atleast qualify for fun! Can't wait for Infamous 2 and Twisted Metal in 2011, I think Sony is about to KO Microsoft within the next year and a half and make them haste their asses on making a new console so games aren't restricted to only what the xbox cam do(to keep it fair amongst multiplatform games inwhich the ps3 could over excell and perform significantly better if it were an exclusive, as Final Fantasy XIII(for example) would have been a whole open world exploreing game where we could visit everywhere anytime(except some restricted areas of course) and the xbox was so limited due to disc space it basically changed what could have been an even better stand up to the name of final fantasy and what it's REALLY about, instead of going western style and not sticking with the roots of JRPGs which the FF series is used to(and its fans!!))). I'm just saying aswell that I really thought bioware would have atleast announced Mass Effect 3 for PS3 by now being ME2 was XBOX exclusive!!! They haven't done so yet, so what exactly is microsoft trying to prove? Sony already pointed out they wanted to not go for exclusive game titles as much as they wanted to in the past intead for game content that is ps3 exclusive, I think it just shows how Microsoft DON'T care about its fans(took them THIS LONG TO FIX THEIR 360 layout for RROD!!!) and now they're keeping everything to themselves(or are trying to) and I think sony just needs to take them out of the gameing department with a BIG BOMB, if only sony could make all gamers realize the truth and hate microsoft for their greed... Awesome article Ben!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 12:00:31 AM

I don't think we should hate Microsoft, necessarily, but thanks anyway. :)

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Dancemachine55
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 1:03:02 AM

You might want to think about including paragraphs in your comments. Makes it easier to read.

Other than that, I'd agree with you. I still think FF XIII would have been a slightly different and better game had it remained PS3 exclusive.

Remember when SE mentioned stuff being removed for 'design' purposes? It would have been removed earlier in production, not that late. I smell a 360 limitation conspiracy brewing.

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The Stig
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 6:59:31 AM

Punctuation is your friend

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diecastpe
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 9:59:08 PM

Wasn't quite sure it was going to be that long, lol. Give a guy a break, this isn't a resume! I was just chillaxin and enjoying the article and got carried away! ahh!!

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frostface
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 10:50:41 PM
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Over the years I've had many different consoles. Had the original pong with the twisty paddles before being blown away by the Atari 2600 and then the NES/Sega Master System/SNES/PS1+PS2. Never once considered myself hardcore anything. Just really enjoyed the games.
Was late off the block with this generation. Never had a Xbox but I do remember not knowing which machine to get until I took a gamble on the PS3. I really was clueless.
Best decision I've ever made though. Since getting the PS3, thats when I started frequenting game websites and settled here. Now I'm much more familiar with the games available and a lot more selective. There hasn't been one single moment were I've ever felt I should of went with the Xbox. Most of the games are multiplat anyway and the best exclusives imo happen to be on the PS3. No fanboy BS, it's just fact!

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godsman
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 10:52:11 PM
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In the beginning, when the PS3 was selling at 600. Where it was sold at $2000 on ebay and someone STILL bought it. THAT is my definition of a true hardcore gamer.

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Victor321
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 10:53:02 PM
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"Yes, if you're "hardcore," you should probably own all three systems."

^.^ That sums up my comment.

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Luiscosmo2
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 11:03:28 PM
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We are a family...*cries* Of Joy People...

But yea PS3 has diffrent varities...And the fact that my frineds(Soon all of 'em)got a PS3.... Cant say I hate this systhem...PS3 PS2 PSP

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booze925
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 11:03:39 PM
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this article is for the most part right, but in the end its ALL about personal preferences.
like arcadey, fast paced games? go 360
want something different? go ps3
just don't care for quality? go wii
case closed.
by the way... of all the ps3 exclusives, god of war 3 has to be the weakest.... its good, but its just missing something. its still great, but not the greatest.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 11:10:45 PM

Nintendo's first party franchises are quality.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 11:11:19 PM

Wii is quality.

It's just a shame you have to dig deep below a sea of casual crud like Carnival Games and iCarly to find them.

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booze925
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 11:18:03 PM

i will rephrase myself.
want quantity over quality, or super smash brothers brawl? go wii
no other changes are required

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 11:22:16 PM

Actually, God of War III isn't the PS3's weakest exclusive. Haze is.

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booze925
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 1:16:51 AM

oooooohhh....
my mistake jawk lol

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Temjin001
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 11:05:43 PM
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Pulling up my trusty dictionary widget (provided by American Oxford Dictionaries) to look up the word "hardcore" I find this definition


noun
the most active, committed, or doctrinaire members of a group or movement : there is always a hard core of trusty stalwarts | [as adj. ] a hard core following.


I intentionally removed the porn reference hehe


Within the same dictionary, a definition for "gamer"

noun
a person who plays a game or games, typically a participant in a computer or role-playing game.


There's the brainiac response we all wanted from everybody's favorite ninja =p





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FxTales
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 11:06:07 PM
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That's true I couldn't hold out to wait till now where a ps3 costs $588 NZ. I bought mine when it was at $1200 and that was for one controller and no game but I have no regrets.

This console and it's games just keep wowing me.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 11:08:40 PM
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I have said this time and time again...

WHY didn't MS make Live a multiplatform online service!?!?!?!

WHY did MS have to release another console to market and introduce bullying strategies to dominate!!?!?!??!

WHY are there so many Xbots who claim to be more hardcore than us when all they play is COD and Halo?!?!?!?!?!?!

WHY does 360 continue to sell!?!?!?!?!?!?!

WHEN will PS3 finally get cross game and party chat and finally, FINALLY put 360 and its loud mouth followers to bed once and for all!?!?!?!?!?

That's why I love Playstation!!! It's audience is so mature and know a good game when it comes out. Sony knows this too!!!!

Please Sony!!!! Release the PS4 earlier than the competition. Make it cheaper than the competition. And continue on your glorious path to cater to us core gamers!!!!!

I don't want a repeat of this gen. MS created a nasty environment in the gaming world. People on the outside view us as foul-mouthed, aggressive shut-ins with no girlfriends and no lives, but MS created that monster. Do not destroy the monster, but destroy the company that made the monster, and transition the monsters of now to the respectable gamers Sony envisions.

The PS2 was a glorious memory. The PS3 is a shining torch of hope in a world gone dark and wrong. The PS4 will light the way to a better future.

Or I can just convince my friends to get multiplats on PS3 instead of 360, that could be easier.

:P

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booze925
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 11:22:03 PM

WHOA WHOA!
gimme cross game chat support, XMB access during a chat room, and a new internet browser, and THEN give us a PS4 before the competition!

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 11:25:38 PM

Why is it important to have a conversation with some one while playing completely different games?

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 11:56:05 PM

Jawknee

I have played online PS3, and cannot chat with my friends unless in a chat room in XMB, or in the same game.

To be able to chat with friends while they're playing a game I don't have, and I can play my own favourite game, means we can catch up and chat no matter what we are doing with our 360's.

It is a very, VERY important feature and is the main reason many of my friends continue to choose 360 over PS3 to play multiplats. So they can chat while jumping in and out of their games.

Also, the 360 coming out first cemented its place as the social console to have. Friend A could afford the 360 and got one since it was the first next-gen console out, so friend B got a 360 too. Friends C and D got 360's to play with them once they could afford them. Even if another better console was out, why buy that console when all your friends have a 360? You'd just prevent yourself playing with them!?!?!? That is why being the first console out has its advantages, look at the PS2!!!

This happened to me with Red Dead Redemption. I got it on PS3, my friends got it on 360, so while they are playing cowboy gangs with each other, I'm stuck playing with strangers or playing single campaign.

Do you see now Jawknee!?!?!?!

Cross game chat AND getting your console out first IS THE most important thing to dominate in video games, especially now that it's such a social thing. Maintaining that dominance is another story, one that Sony is good at but MS clearly not. This explains 360's popularity in the first 4 years of its life and why the PS3 is overtaking.

Look at PS2. It came out first and was cheaper. Fortunately Sony continued its dominance by making great games for it constantly. Gamecube was cheaper, but came later, so did Xbox but was far more expensive at first, which is why it failed and moved on only 4 years after being on the market.

So, to say coming out later for technology's sake or that Cross Game Chat isn't important is just plain wrong in my eyes, and is borderline Sony fanboyism. I honestly compare it to Xbots saying "We don't need Blu-ray. It's a useless feature".

Blu ray is a very important feature for games and developers, just like cross game chat. Being the most popular console may also mean releasing your console before the competition. It's not the only thing, but it does help.

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Jawknee
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 12:38:01 AM

Ok i get all that but i still don't see why its so important to chat with a friend who's playing a completely different game. If im playing a game, i want to play the game. Not hold a converstaion. Yea a few messages here in there is fine, but i don't talk on the phone while playing games, why i want to do it with cross game chat?

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Dancemachine55
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 1:09:42 AM

I get what ya mean Jawknee.

I played Splinter Cell while my friends played Bad Company 2, I ended up just leaving the Live party group and playing the game without distractions.

I dunno. I guess I'm just frustrated that my friends use their 360s as their main console, and only PS3 for its exclusives, which are a lot!!!! Whereas it's the other way round for me, PS3 for everything, 360 for exclusives.

It just means that games like Red Dead, Medal of Honor, Assassin's Creed Brotherhood, COD, Blur, Split Second, GTA IV and all those other multiplat games are wasted on my PS3 when all my friends buy the 360 version. Forces my hand to make me get the 360 version just to play with my friends, AND THEY HAVE PS3'S!!!! They just prefer 360 for multiplat games cos they still believe Live is better and games run better on 360 most of the time.

Just makes me frustrated, you know?

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Jawknee
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 1:29:12 AM

Yea i know. I have a friend who bought a PS3 for God of War III and now he doesn't even use it. He moved out with some of his buddies and is too much of a pusscake to man up and start buying games for his PS3 so he can play with me and his bro.

I know what you mean. You can always find new friends. haha

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Underdog15
Friday, July 16, 2010 @ 11:03:10 AM

I'm not a multi-tasker. I wouldn't enjoy cross game chat. I'd miss half the things my friends say to me.

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sirbob6
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 11:12:41 PM
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Ben you forgot about Little Big Planet and the soon approching LBP2. Those are both marvalous platformers and one of the few games that have such in-depth customization and creation.
I'm also glad I chose the PS3 over the 360 back in '07. So many good games in every genre. absolutely no regret buying it even though it had the higher price.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 11:59:17 PM

I did forget. But you can't think of everything. :)

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Dancemachine55
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 12:02:13 AM

LOL

Oh Ben, how could you? It's Sony's signature game for this gen.

:P

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sirbob6
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 9:22:41 PM

No problem, I know there are so many games it is almost impossible to name them all. Unlike some consoles. *cough* 360 *cough*

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Oxvial
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 11:31:39 PM
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Yes it also has the more hardcore game this gen , Demon's Souls =).

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Dancemachine55
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 12:01:30 AM

I second that.

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playSTATION
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 12:03:59 AM
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ps3 all the way

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FM23
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 12:19:29 AM
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@DanceMachine55

I can see your point with cross chat, but then again, why not just use the phone, bluetooth, etc. Personally, I could care less about that feature.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 12:21:30 AM

At least your logical!

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Dancemachine55
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 1:14:11 AM

Phone calls cost money. And most don't have a comfortable handsfree headset, cept mobile phones, but who calls mobile to mobile to chat while gaming? You do it through the game!!!

I just find cross game chat and Lives chat settings easier to use and set up. It's the only advantage for 360 in my eyes. It is also the main reason my friends continue getting 360 games instead of PS3 versions. Forces me to get the 360 version just to play with them.

Like Medal of Honor. All my friends want it on 360, but I want the PS3 limited edition. Now I have to choose whether to go limited and play on my own or with strangers over PSN, or get the 360 version just to play with my friends.

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FM23
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 1:58:06 AM

I mean if it is that important to play with your friends, why not just buy the 360 version. Not that hard of a decision. And my cellphone has a headset and it doesn't bother me what so ever. Of course it is easier to talk with a friend through cross chat, but seriously, why is this feature so important when playing a game especially if people are not playing the same game. I mean most people talk by phone or through text message if they can't in person about a certain topic. People take cross chat a little too serious. PSN is free...so I am happy as sh*t. I am not knocking you or anything, but I mean if it's that important, just stick with the Xbox version of games you want to play with friends and buy single player oriented games for PS3 if prefer PS3. Pretty simple.

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Dancemachine55
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 2:27:18 AM

Yeah, pretty simple.

Makes me wish I got MW2 on 360 instead of PS3 cos most of my 360 playing buddies play that. Wasn't even worth it for single player on PS3. But at least I got Uncharted 2 and Assassin's Creed 2 around the same time to make up for my MW2 purchase. Won't make the same mistake again, no more COD games for me.

I guess you're right. If my friends are all getting Bad Company 2 and Medal of Honor on 360, I may as well just get it on 360 and play with them.

This is also why 360 is doing better than PS3 in sales. Apart from red ring replacements, many friends have 360's, so what do you buy if you wanna play with your friends?

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Clamedeus
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 5:22:29 AM

All of my friends have PS3, if we play a different game we use Skype, and all of them have a computer close to them so i have no problem at all.

If we find a game we love and want to play we buy and play it.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 12:20:42 AM
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I dont really care for the term hardcore. I joke with it a lot but I just like games.

I dont really have a preference of genres, I like them all. My collection includes every type of game out there. I love games for what they are, and what they bring. I can't honestly say that I like one genre over the next, I can only say what game I enjoyed the most.

The PS3... Let me back track, I've owned most the consoles since the early 90' til recent. I did however get into a slump sometime between the PSX, and PS2, but the PS2 and Socom got me right back into gaming. Through all of those times Sony has got me covered time and time again. The PS3 was a no brainer for me. Once again Sony has me covered!

I dont have the time or money to buy games for 2 consoles. Thats why my wii never ever gets played, GOW3 or Super Mario Galaxy 2? I mean c'mon, really? Mario may be fun, but Kratos is much more interesting. And I am saying right now all my multi plats would be on the PS3, over the other console, regardless of technicalities. As time goes on devs are pushing the PS3 hardware further and that goes for 2nd even 3rd party devs as well. Which means no lack of quality on the only console I own!

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Dancemachine55
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 2:31:11 AM

What you said about developers reminds me of how the PS3 is being used as the lead console to develop on. This allows them to push their game further, like Medal of Honor and Crysis 2.

The days of poor ports to PS3 are almost over. Bayonetta may be the last of a dying breed. The breed of poor PS3 ports.

Glad to see developers getting back on Sony's side. Speaking of which, they're helping develop the PS4 to make it developer friendlier from launch. Nice move Sony.

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AcHiLLiA
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 1:58:17 AM
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PC, Nintendo and PS3 FTW! And the other lying electronic and game store employee fanboys can all go **** themselves.

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Lawless SXE
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 2:59:08 AM
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Good article, and even better points, if only Brendan would listen...

I don't like to bash the 360, but it is inevitable. It simply cannot stack up the greatness that is available on the PS3. The range is not as diverse, and for some reason, it just seems clunkier to me. Everything about the PS3 exudes a slickness and sleekness that the other two consoles cannot achieve. If hardcore means loving any and every type of game, then you'd best believe that I'm hardcore.

Also Ben, I'd say Heavenly Sword comes mighty close to a match for GOW3. But then you discount Ninja Gaiden, and that's supposed to be a mighty fine action game. (I say supposed to be, because I only played the demo for NGS. About thirty times. Never was interested in buying the full game though.)

Peace.

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TheRaPtuRe
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 3:55:24 AM
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What a pointless article.
Ive noticed how these kind of articles have become alot more frequent over the last few months on this site. Seriously whats the point?

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Highlander
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 10:37:08 AM

Well, I think it's something of a navel gazing exercise. There is not much in the way of major new games this time of year, so gaming news sites tend to do some self contemplation.

Ben was thinking a bout the broad definition of the term Hardcore gamer and what platform best serves that kind of gamer. Instead of flaming him and the article, why don't you post *your* thoughts on what a hardcore gamer is and which platform best serves them?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 10:46:02 AM

Grow up and stop looking at every title for flamebait. And the next time you think something is useless, DON'T COMMENT.

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Underdog15
Friday, July 16, 2010 @ 11:01:49 AM

You know what IS pointless, the rapture? The couple of KB's my computer had to temporarily download in order to view your comment.

It's a freaking EDITORIAL, dummy! Why don't you comment something constructive? I scholar might disagree with a topic, but he would reply with his or her opinions on the topic and offer a legitimate alternative view point.

My 10 year old cousin, on the other hand, might respond with, "That's stupid!". If I ask him WHY it's stupid... he'll probably say, "I dunno. It just is!"

You are like my 10 year old cousin. Give a real and original thought.

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Robochic
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 3:59:08 AM
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I'm a hardcore gamer :) but lately not as much with two kids and work but i'll be back one day just have to raise the kids LOL.

My son loves the PS3 so much we are fighting over who gets to use it, he loves Toystory 3 and i really want to play more Heavy rain to get all my trophies.

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RadioHeader
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 1:38:08 PM

LMAO

Most kids are accustomed to being told to "get off that PS3!" by their mothers, but how many of those mothers follow up with "it's my turn! I needz my trophies". HaHa I love it :)

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___________
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 4:11:30 AM
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that is the biggest load of crap i have ever heard!
whats wrong with the 360 or PCs?
the PC is the true only home for hardcore gamers, because it gives the player options ps3 owners could only DREAM about!

i really enjoy having the ability to go into the game settings and turn on or off things i do or dont like.
or even playing around with the debug console.
not to mention there are so many mods online that no console game has!
there are so many different mods for crysis out there, it would take you a month to play around with them all!

not to mention the PC is the only platform that allows normal people with no game development experience to make a version of a game.
counter strike, one of the industries most popular games is a mod of half life.

thats one thing i love about valve, they actually include their fans and add in some of their levels into their games from time to time.
a few guys made a pack for L4D2 and since gabe was here to promote L4D2 he actually went to their house and played them, and gave the guys his advice.
now name one other developer that would come to your house, to play their version of your game!
now thats fan service right there!

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Clamedeus
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 5:35:35 AM

Little Big Planet, ModNation Racers. We do have mod's just not in all the games we have.

And again normal people making a level or a kart and a character.

LBP2 you can make your own shooter, racer, etc.

EDIT: Oh! And all of your tracks or games(LBP2) people can play them. ^_^

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___________
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 9:13:01 AM

there not mods, there user created levels.
the whole point of mods is to take a game, and give people another version of it, without having to buy a new game.
LBP sure you can create your own levels, but its hardly a different game now is it?
plus all that stuff is MP only, mods are SP or MP whatever you want them to be.
if i wanted to, i could go and make a zombie mod for crysis i cant do that for any ps3 game.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 10:29:31 AM

I'd reply, but I've stopped reading your ridiculous rambling.

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Highlander
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 10:34:40 AM

Ben didn't say there was anything wrong with them. Ben was simply pointing to a far wider definition of 'hardcore gamer' and noting that the PlayStation 3 is by and large the console that caters best to that broader gamer.

It's fairly undeniable that the 360 is a shooter fan's console. Sure they have some other games, but by and large, the 360's focus is on a particular genre of game. PCs are similarly focused on particular kinds of game and lack the broad approach of the PlayStation brand.

There's nothing wrong with PCs or 360, but if you take a broad definition of what a hardcore gamer is, then the platform that most effectively serves all game genre is indeed the PS3 (and PlayStaion brand in general). I don't honestly think that's up for debate. Nor did I take from the article that Ben was bashing either PC or 360 gamers or platforms.

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sawao_yamanaka
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 2:55:03 PM

Such ignorant comments always coming from you against anything sony. Its not the limitations on sonys hardware it all depends on the developer so your comment has no weight. Unreal tournament 3 allowed modding that worked from the ps3. Xbox nope!

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Underdog15
Friday, July 16, 2010 @ 10:55:25 AM

One of the reasons I hate about 360 and PC is the mods people make. I just want to play a game for what it is. A freaking game. I don't want to play with strangers making weird mods to use to their advantage. I love PS3 because it's not crackable without the other os feature. I get to play the game as it was meant to be!

Keep your ugly mods.

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Highlander
Friday, July 16, 2010 @ 12:00:18 PM

PS3 is likely to remain uncracked, GeoHot withdrew from the hacking scene...

:D

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FullmetalX10
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 4:23:28 AM
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Hardcore FTW!
Anyways, Ben, you forgot Demon's Souls, it's so awesome, it just gives you that good old sense of accomplishment and that adrenaline rush when you're almost dead and you have no grass but the boss has like 1 hit of hp left and then you run and evade and BAM you win!
Just plain awesome pie, with some whipped cream on top.

But yeah, we all know PS3 is the definition of a hardcore gamer's console, it just has the best games to offer and the most genres conquered.

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Clamedeus
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 5:40:38 AM

Demon's Souls is freakin awesome. I've had a lot of close calls, me and the boss had low health i hit him and his attack hit me but some how i won and got revived and got his souls i thought i died for a second, we both hit each other but mine hit him a second before his did.

I was sweating bullets.

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FullmetalX10
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 3:37:33 PM

Awesome close call Clamedeus

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ChronowerX_GT
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 6:12:43 AM
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If you're a 'hardcore' gamer then the PC is the best platform by far. To be honest I wouldn't call myself one under your definition. Although I like to think that I'm a little more hardcore about Gran Turismo.

Look at it this way. A hardcore racing driver isn't some 17 year old kid who likes racing his mates cars round a car park it's the like of Lewis Hamilton or Mark Webber. Yeah sure they may drive other cars. Webber also did GT racing. But the point is they have chosen a particular type and stuck to that.

That pretty much sums up what I've done. I love GT. So much in fact that it was the reason that I've got a PS3 and not a 360. Although I do think that the PS3 is superior in pretty much every aspect. At the time price was the main factor. I've bought a new TV for it and a racing wheel as well just to play GT. Now I own other games like Burnout, Dirt 2, GTA, MGS and Mirrors Edge but I don't put no where near as much effort into those games.

In some ways I guess I'm trying to say that in my opinion someone who loves games, most types of games and plays them for the fun would be considered casual gamers. And for the most part that's what I am.

A hardcore gamer is someone who takes it to the next level. They have more gear, generally devote more time, perhaps are in a clan and most probably better than most casual gamers. And sometimes it's not always about the fun.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 10:28:08 AM

The PC is pointless for the hardcore. Gamers want to play all sorts of great games; with the PC, you're essentially stuck with shooters, a few WRPGs, and strategy. That's about it, for the most part.

LBP? God of War? Heavy Rain? Ratchet? And besides the obvious, entire genres are essentially missing on PC, making it an entirely useless platform in my eyes. Hasn't changed for 12 years...and that's a problem.

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Jawknee
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 11:45:33 AM

I have a pretty sweet gaming Vaio and i can't find any games i want to play on it.

Crysis...thats about it. and even that im not in a hurry to go find a copy.

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ChronowerX_GT
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 3:26:59 PM

Ben, the PC isn't pointless for hardcore gaming. There are many reasons one would choose the PC (even if I personally prefer the playstation).
The amount you can customise is the main reason. In comparison consoles are very limited in what you can do. There are countless peripherals, graphics cards, sound cards, processors, motherboards, etc meaning you can get the PC just perfect for what you want.

Sure you're not gonna find PS3 exclusives on PC but that's more down to matter of opinion if you prefer them. To be honest the only exclusives I have are GT5P and MGS4. Although you've still got the likes of MW2, GTR Evo and (my personal favourite) Americas Army.

Clans are much more involved and competitive on PC and applications like TS really give another level of communication and configure-ability.

Games can be heavily modded. Look at the likes of GTA 4, Unreal Tournament and Star Trek: Bridge Commander (It's an 8 year old game but what's been done to it is amazing.)

My fav racing sim is Gran Turismo. To me nothing comes close in terms of enjoyment. But if you want hardcore FIA GTR or R-Factor is probably the way to go. It offers much more versatility than GT, allows head tracking, works will all the good wheels, heavily modifiable. Oh and multi monitor set-up.

The one benefit is that a high end gaming rig is more powerful than the PS3.

Of course it does have its downfalls. A high-end rig is quite expensive and no PC could match the performance of the PS3 for the same price. Add on top of that stability and compatibility.

So that bring me back to the PS3 being great for the casual gamer. Hardcore professional gaming however, is the PC's territory. And I'm afraid it looks like the Xbox is 2nd when it comes to FPS. Although there's very little reason now to get an X-Box over a PS3.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 8:17:44 PM

Modifications means nothing without the games. And the simple bottom line is that the PC has ever and only done three genres well (FPS, WRPG, Strategy), and that's where it begins and ends.

Hardcore gamers in general need for more. At this point, the PC is one of the most limited platforms in existence, and let's not forget that innovation is essentially dead. ALL the innovative stuff is happening on consoles now.

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ChronowerX_GT
Friday, July 16, 2010 @ 7:22:09 AM

Ben, how is the PC limited, what factor is limiting PC's (except perhaps piracy)?

As for the games it's a matter of taste but there's been some fantastic games over the years on PC that, even with a console version as well, I'd choose over the console. How about the likes of Unreal Tournament, the game is far better on PC. I have both versions and there's no reason I'd choose the PS3 version over it except if I'm sitting on the couch and cba going into the office.

COD, GTA, AAO, WOW, Crysis, NFS, DiRT amongst many others have all recently been on the PC and that's just off the top of my head and I'm not even a big PC gamer.

Type in lan party on google images and tell me that the PC isn't the choice for hardcore gamers. In fact I couln't find one party using the PS3. And that's not some fanboy talking because remember, I prefer the PS3 above all other platforms.

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Underdog15
Friday, July 16, 2010 @ 10:57:50 AM

Why do people keep using WOW as an example of good PC gaming. It's awful. Should MMO's be somewhat difficult?

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Gamer Girl Gemo
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 6:29:40 AM
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I am Gemo, and I am a hardcore GIRL gamer. I have vowed to make video games my very existence since I was three years old. I have driven myself to even receiving a seemingly permanent case of carpal tunnel. I play constantly, drive myself to the extremes, including yelling at the TV for hours on end. I play new games as they come and show even my Xbox-loving boyfriend up on console and game knowledge.
I am Gemo and I am a hardcore GIRL gamer who owns a PS3.

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WolfCrimson
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 10:53:47 AM

"What's your game?" :P

On a more serious note:

Whoa there Gemo, you might wanna take it easy. Health before hobbies.

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Gamer Girl Gemo
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 3:03:19 PM

Haha I know. I may have exaggerated just a bit, but nonetheless, it's pretty true. I just LOVE games ;)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 5:31:10 PM

Maybe you should make games Gemo :)

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Deleted User
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 6:44:42 AM
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this site is full of ps3 fanboys. you all forgot one of the best games released this year this year besides PS3's God of War 3 the game is 360's Alan Wake i take Alan Wake over Heavy Rain any day. but both games get my 2010 GOTY vote. i get most of my multiplatform games on my ps3.

offtopic just a little heads up the other day i found Red Faction gurilla for 15bucks and bioshock 2 for 20bucks yesterday at walmart so you all might wanna check your local walmart if you have not played thes games yet.

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Clamedeus
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 6:52:40 AM

Alan Wake over Heavy Rain? Heavy Rain looks more interesting then Alan wake to me and i haven't even played them yet.

Well this is a PS site you know.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 9:36:05 AM

Alan Wake really?

Hmm, I mean I never thought of it as a bad game? but over Heavy Rain? That's new!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 10:26:04 AM

This site has FANS. If you want to make another stupid accusation, you can leave.

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Jawknee
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 10:35:36 AM

Alan Wake is a turd. Sorry. It just is.

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Oxvial
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 11:03:08 AM

LOL Alan Wake worst shooter I played this year.

''Red Faction gurilla for 15bucks and bioshock 2 for 20bucks''

two great games ,soo people that don't have them... now its time!

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SirLoin of Beef
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 2:00:48 PM

I'm quite fond of my 360 and have to say that claiming Alan Wake is better than Heavy Rain is laughable (and yes, I've played and finished both of them).

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kraygen
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 4:22:18 PM

Hey now, you could say alan wake is better than heavy rain.
If you like running through levels that are essentially dark hallways, every level the same goal, nothing to do but run, run, run, and pointing a flashlight, sure.

You can say Alan wake is better.

Of course I can also say that eating cheese on mars is better than eating ice cream on jupiter. ;)

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diecastpe
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 10:07:18 PM

fanboys... i guess that's your opinion, but whoever said your opinion was ever significant anyway, Muchless pointless to even mention fanboys on a dedicated Playstation(FAN) website for the latest news on things (WE) would like to know about... fanboys.. people just use that word to think they sound cool with all consoles now, so LAME.

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Dancemachine55
Friday, July 16, 2010 @ 1:40:22 AM

Sorry, not a big fan of Alan Wake.

Played it. It was good, but more annoying than anything. Loved the story, but shooting mechanics weren't as good as I hoped.

Heavy Rain. I played that over and over again. Got multiple endings and got all the trophies.

Alan Wake, played it once, perhaps never again. Little to no replayability. And Heavy Rain has got a second wind with Move controls.

I'm sorry, but Alan Wake over Heavy Rain? You're on the wrong website my friend.

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Underdog15
Friday, July 16, 2010 @ 10:49:06 AM

I've said it before that I'm not a huge FPS fan, although I do like the occasional title.

And Alan Wake is not a shooter I would make a priority. It isn't that fantastic.

But let's imagine for a minute that it IS awesome. And let's imagine the ME2 is equally awesome along with GeoW and whatever the heck ever Halo game is coming. (BY THE WAY, all these apparently awesome 360 exclusives are all FREAKING SHOOTERS... holy heck get some diversity!)

So yeah, as I said, imagine. These are the only games I ever hear people raving about in association to the 360's 'awesomeness'. But they're all shooters, and they aren't that awesome. Congratulations, 360, on a small collection of decent shooters.

Now... where's that list of PS3 games... You'll have to give me a moment... I have the list here in this room, but it's written on a scroll which ends in the next room.

Anyone remember that Animaniacs song whose lyrics were entirely the names of countries? I bet you could do that with GOOD Playstation exclusives.

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Sithis
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 6:49:18 AM
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Great article there, Mr. Ben. I completely agree with your definition of the “hardcore” gamer. But sadly, PS3 is not considered an option for hardcore gaming in my country. Let me tell you why.

In Pakistan, the 360 outnumbers the PS3 by a wiiiiiide margin. Like 15 to 1. Anyways, the main reason for this was the price tag. People couldn’t afford the PS3 in the starting days. I bought the 60GB on 24th February 2007 for 38000 Rupees which are equivalent of 445 US Dollars.

When I bought it, the issue of games came up next. There is not a single fully established gameseller like you have e.g. GameStop. Private shops set up selling the games to the poorly informed customers e.g. God Of War Collection was selling for a full 60 Dollars. Sometimes they don’t have the games like Dot Heroes or ModNation Racers. So availability is a problem as well. Second, we have no separate Region nor a separate PSN thus we are forced to make US and UK accounts. Third, the piracy. The games for PS3 sell here as per the full price that is 60 dollars or around 5 thousand rupees in my currency, the 360 games on the other hand sell for around 250 rupees which is equivalent for 3 US Dollars. I don’t need to tell you which way the gamers look when buying PS3 or the Space Heater. Needless to say, they still haven’t found a way to pirate PS3 games.

Same thing with PS2 as well, games sell for a Dollar each. But in those days I didn’t know the difference between Pirated and Original because internet was not as nearly accessible as it is today.

The game that sells the best here is –surprise- Call of Duty. And whoever plays that well is automatically the “hardcore” gamers. I’ve never been considered hardcore because I’ve put in 170+ hours into Oblivion. And for my online FPS fix, I play MAG. And because I absolutely hate Call Of Duty despite being better than most of my friends on the first Modern Warfare. Games like Fallout, Oblivion, MAG, Resistance, Killzone, etc are deemed unconventional. While games like Battlefield and Call Of Duty are deemed “cool.” Demon’s Souls isn’t even remotely on the map here.

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Sithis
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 7:02:13 AM
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As far as me being hardcore is concerned. I’ve been playing different genres now and then. My game collection ranges from Prince of Persia to GTA IV. LittleBigPlanet to MGS4. Oblivion to Demon’s Souls. Uncharted to MAG. Fallout to FIFA. Killzone to Heavy Rain.

I recently took a leap of faith and went for a new Dragon Age Origins for 3000 rupees that is 35 dollars and absolutely loved it. No regrets at all.

As for Demon’s Souls, yeah I have it. Have I finished it? No. I die in the first world but I’ll keep trying. It’s super tough. So what do you think? Am I enough to be hardcore?

Keep it in my mind that I’m 14 years old. Gonna be 15 in November. Can I be the youngest member of PSXE? I hope you all don’t discredit me just because of my age. But the readers at PSXE are the most intelligent gamers I have ever seen.

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FullmetalX10
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 3:45:09 PM

You sound pretty hardcore to me, and it's good to know that even with all the trouble you have to go to you still got a PS3.

Just keep it up on the Demon's Souls, the more you play the better you get.

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Clamedeus
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 4:42:07 PM

You are hardcore to me. If you persist and keep trying that's more then enough to call you hardcore for me. :D

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BikerSaint
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 9:57:46 PM

RavenSword,
Well, you definitely got my vote!
(not that my vote count's for anything), LOL

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The Stig
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 7:18:30 AM
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Try telling this to the 360 fanboy.

I can't count the amount of times I've read 360 players boasting about how the 360 is for 'hardcore' gamers. But 99% of the time all they play is CoD and Halo. I think they should be re-classified as 'hardcore shooter' gamers.

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Highlander
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 10:25:34 AM

There is a term for that - twitch gamers.

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Danny007
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 8:18:22 AM
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Based on your definition Ben, I guess I'm a hardcore gamer.

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NazzyQ
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 9:19:43 AM
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I understand your passion Ben, but isn't this article kind of preaching to the converted? We're all ps3 fans already. Lol

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kraygen
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 4:23:26 PM

Not necessarily, think of all the trolls who are always showing up and lets not forget Mr.

____________

I'm sure he's had some great incites into this article.

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Snaaaake
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 10:01:12 AM
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I'm sorry Ben, no offense, really, and as much as I like you, I think this article is pointless.

I do however agree with what you said.
But come on Ben, everyone here on PSXE already know that we're the real harcore!!!

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Temjin001
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 10:27:44 AM

The true purpose of the article
*all the following events are purely fictional and are intended to be humorous*

*Ben receives email from Boss*
Boss: "Ben we're running low on site hits. You need to pick a few more editorial pieces that stoke the coals a bit more"

Ben: snickers to himself while pulling open his bin of editorial ideas. Locating the well worn folder entitled "PS3 vs 360 flame-wars."
Barely audible, Ben says to himself "Hehe, nothing stokes the coals better than one of these babies"


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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 10:30:16 AM

All editorials are pointless?

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Scarecrow
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 10:49:54 AM

@Snaaake,

No, not everyone knows that the ps3 is the true hardcore console.

Some will still argue that the 360 has more quality games, or that it's more hardcore because it has more people online or whatever.

Ben's pointing out the fact that what really defines a hardcore gamer is one that loves quality games over any console allegiance.

Therefore, it boils down to one console, and that is the ps3.

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Snaaaake
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 11:43:16 AM

Well, majority of us here do already know that the PS3 is the hardcore console.

But then again, I apologize for my rudeness because there those who doesn't think so........yet.

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Jawknee
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 11:46:34 AM

Its a chance for us to discuss Bens thoughts on the subject. Just have fun with it.

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diecastpe
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 10:02:04 PM

If it were pointless then there'd be no reason for all of this chit chat going on :x

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Scarecrow
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 10:31:47 AM
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Not only does the ps3 have Valkyria Chronicles, but it also has Demon's Souls.

Variety and quality is truly the best combo. And we know Playstation is where those two words mix better than in any other brand.

Let's look at 3 future exclusives for both consoles:

-GT5
-LBP2
-The Last Guardian

-Halo
-Black Ops
-some other FPS

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WolfCrimson
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 10:57:53 AM

Wait... Black Ops as in COD: Black Ops? Isn't the COD franchise multiplat?

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Highlander
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 11:08:59 AM

@wolf,

You're right. Perhaps he was meaning the exclusive DLC?

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Jawknee
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 11:49:29 AM

Im sure thats what he had in mind.

Telling isn't it. Xbox 360 exclusive line up. Shooters, shooters and more shooters.

Lame, Lame and more lame.

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Highlander
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 12:01:51 PM

@Jawkne,

You mean...

Shooters, DLC for shooters and...um...more shooters?

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Jawknee
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 12:06:56 PM

Lame..Way Lame and Lamer.

LOL!

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RadioHeader
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 2:25:33 PM
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This erases some of the anger that built up in me over 10 months, 4 360s and about 72 hours on the phone to M$ support. I dumped the 3rd refurbished 360 and got a PS3 which introduced me to something called 'the internet'. Only to find the internet was ablaze with Pro-360 Anti-PS3 bullsh*t which made me even angrier!

I still don't know how the 360 avoided mandatory recall, but at least it's not getting much praise now. I can settle for that.

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Wissam
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 2:56:52 PM
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Indeed it is.

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Douchebaguette
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 3:01:55 PM
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Well it's probably true that PS3 has been delivering more lately. Purchased an Elite to play RDR; it's just that, and replaying the washed up Halo 3. Meanwhile on PS3 my time is occupied with Modnation Racers [beautiful matchmaking], FIFA 10 [PS controller as a rule of thumb] and Way of the Samurai 3 [because it just feels weird playing a game like that on the 360]. Heavy Rain seems more appealing than Alan Wake atm but I'll eventually play both. And then there's GoWIII. Then again there's Mass Effect 2...

Damnit, I need to catch up.

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Highlander
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 3:21:56 PM

Why the (*^%$% would anyone purchase an Xbox360 to play RDR? It's a multi-platform game, and you already had the PS3. What on earth possessed you?

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WolfCrimson
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 3:33:36 PM

Highlander, the answer is pretty obvious. What is the only reason anybody would buy an Xbox360 to play a multiplayer-enabled multiplat game for?

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Jawknee
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 3:44:54 PM

::facepalm::

Seriously, you bought a 360 to play a multiplatform game?

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Highlander
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 4:27:40 PM

@Wolf....

I'm really tempted to shrug and say "I got nothing."

But, I will be nice and recognize peer pressure and a gamer wanting to play the game with their group of friends as an in-game posse.

Still, that's an expensive way to keep your friends happy.

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Douchebaguette
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 4:58:37 PM

I shall explain my dear Highlander. To you also, Jawkassness.

2 of my friends were getting it on the 360, due to one of them making such a decision. I questioned myself "why??" considering all 3 of us already have PS3s but of course his natural reply would be "BECAUSE XBL IS BETTAR!" In the end I caved in since we're eventually going to get Halo Reach anyway plus really want to play Mass Effect 2 & replay Lost Odyssey.

Of course the experienced turned out have a completely different outcome due to my strict NAT type. Though I've managed to open it via enabling UPnP settings, for some reason there's more trouble logging in XBL than PSN xD. The RDR didn't last long and now I've got all three of us playing Modnation, so ts'all good. He understands his silliness I presume, but I guess that small RDR journey was kind of worth it...in some way...I'm going to kill him.

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Jawknee
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 5:54:26 PM

oh c'mon now. No need to call names because you made a stupid decision.

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Douchebaguette
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 11:14:20 PM

Stupid decision?? Mass Effect 2, Halo Reach...any Mistwalker game that may appear in the future, etc.

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Douchebaguette
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 11:18:13 PM

Hang on. I take that Mistwalker comment back:

http://www.metro.co.uk/tech/835158-final-fantasy-creator-threatens-retirement

Damn.

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Temjin001
Friday, July 16, 2010 @ 1:38:34 AM

@D.Bagguette

Don't feel so bad about getting RDR on 360. After all, according to the well documented analysis provided by the Digital Foundry it's technically superior.

Here's their closing comments after a lengthy, and detailed, examination.

"In short, Rockstar is to be commended on what is an absolutely fantastic game on both platforms, but the technical analysis is pretty conclusive: if you've got the choice of buying the game for either console, Xbox 360 is the version of Red Dead you should buy.'

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WolfCrimson
Friday, July 16, 2010 @ 2:18:45 AM

@ Highlander: Bingo.

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Highlander
Friday, July 16, 2010 @ 10:32:38 AM

@temjin

I've yet to see Digital Foundry be positive about any PS3 version of a multi-platform title. No matter what they always manage to find some technical reason that makes the 360 version superior. Now, perhaps I am cynical, but it seems to me that when you are looking for something, you typically find it. Not to mention that the guys at Digital Foundry are doing what amounts to snapshot analysis of a moving source. I appreciate them and their technical analysis of some aspects of games graphics, but they take themselves and their 'mission' too seriously sometimes.

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Jawknee
Friday, July 16, 2010 @ 2:08:47 PM

Douche none of those games are worth owning a 360 for. Sorry, they just aren't. Reach is just another Halo and i can play Mass Effect on my PC. ;)

Highalander is correct about digital floundry. They are biased and its easy to see.

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Temjin001
Friday, July 16, 2010 @ 2:59:57 PM

@Highlander

DF consistently makes accurate analysis of the games they compare. In every instance that I've had the opportunity to correlate their findings with my observations they are consistent. Not perfect, but consistent and reliable.

If you can provide me with some information or other analysis that suggests their efforts are erroneous and biased, I will take that into account. But until then, they've earned my respect and I will continue to rely them as a credible source to direct my multi-platform purchases.

It's also important to remember that a greater portion of multi-plat titles tend to preform better technically on 360.





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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 4:05:57 PM
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Looks like a lot of people missed the point. Which I thought was that if you want a larger variety of the best quality games available you need a PS3. Am I wrong?

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kraygen
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 4:26:05 PM

You're not wrong, but some people are quick to temper and didn't get past the title before they started their ego driven, brain washed, 360 drivel.

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rogers71
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 4:13:39 PM
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All this cross game chat love is a product of the "twitch" crowd.

When I am playing a game, the last thing I want to do is have someone chatting in my ear about something else. I like to immerse myself into the gaming atmosphere and you can't do that if someone else is being a chatty nancy.

At the same time, if I am playing a game online, I am already talking to my friends so there is no need for CGC. It is a useless function that only serves the needs of the "twitchers".

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kraygen
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 4:28:48 PM
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I will never understand this cross game chat nonsense. Use your phone if it's that important. Talking while gaming is meant to be done thru your console you say. What the crap kinda nonsense is that.

If you're talking to your friend, then you're talking to your friend. Is talking to them on ur bluetooth headset for your phone different somehow than ur bluetooth headset for your ps3?

And the argument that phones cost money, well, yeah, but unless you have the worst phone plan ever, paying an extra $50 to talk thru ur console is just dumb.

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maxpontiac
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 6:08:38 PM
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Couldn't agree more. But yet here in the USA, the 360 just outsold the PS3 by 150k (NPD)for the monthe of June.

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Highlander
Friday, July 16, 2010 @ 10:33:56 AM

New 360 model plus a $50 discount on the remaindered and now discontinued 360 elites.

Right there is your explanation. Not to mention that those numbers are US only.

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SixSpeedKing
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 6:41:48 PM
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Completely agree with everything in the article. Nothing more need be said.

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rjmacready
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 9:00:24 PM
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How can MLB: The Show not be mentioned when its not only a PS exclusive, but one of the greatest sports games of all time?!

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BikerSaint
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 10:28:57 PM
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Well, I hate to label myself as far as gaming goes, but I think others would have a much better handle on whether I'd be considered a hardcore gamer or not.

With that said, I have 20 consoles & hand-helds,with around 1500 games, and I do go back & play on just about all of them(except for my SNES that I now have no room for, and my Gameboy Colors).

And at 57, I still did around a 37 hour marathon recently, and just a couple days ago I spent about 18 hours straight on inFamous.

But I have to say that when I was much younger, it used to be a breeze doing tons of gaming marathons, but now at my age, I'm pretty damned zombied out just before ending a session.

Maybe, I should just forget about doing any more marathons altogether, and just go start a daily regiment of drinking warm milk & take numerous mid-day naps instead.

NAHHHH, HELL NO..... too many games, & too little time!!!!

Besides, being a brain-fried zombie isn't all that bad!!!!

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Highlander
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 10:45:49 PM

Dude, there is no maybe in your case, it's tattooed to your hands, if you hold them just so there's a PlayStation controller there.

You're about as hardcore as they get.

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RadioHeader
Friday, July 16, 2010 @ 11:09:27 AM

All my respect are belong to BikerSaint.

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Geobaldi
Friday, July 16, 2010 @ 12:21:30 AM
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I disagree. Of course I can't speak for everybody, but for me, I've gotten more joy out of PC gaming since I started 17 years ago. Before then it was all consoles for me just like most people. I'm always playing something on my PC at some point during the day. I play my PS3 a few times a week now, but for me, I get more joy out of my PC gaming. Currently I have 228 games on my Steam account and I usually add a new one every other week or so and with over 1,100 titles to choose from at last count, there's always something to choose from in all genres. Red Dead Redemption was my last console purchase, but I usually go a few months between console game purchases. Again, I know I'm one of the few here that prefer a different platform, but I do enjoy my PS3 when I do turn it on. Like I did today. Just finished my second season of MLB 10. Actually my 3rd but my original career save was corrupted when my PS3 locked up around the All Star break so I was forced to delete and restart :(

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BikerSaint
Saturday, July 17, 2010 @ 12:01:14 AM
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Thanks guys,
The idea of warm milk and numerous mid-day naps just doesn't agree with me anyway, LOL

And I just picked up Godfather2, Rogue Warrior & Wet for my PS3 collection. And they only wound up costing me only $10.33 each at Gamestop's "B2-G1 Free" deal & using My 10% off Edge card last night.

So NOW I've got 3 more freaking game to do in my huge backlog(but you'll never hear me complaining about having too many games, LOL)

BTW, I've been noticing I DO have these curled knuckles either in the shape of a choke hold, or a PS controller.

Naaahhhh, can't be a choke hold, I divorced that siren many darkened moons ago!

Last edited by BikerSaint on 7/17/2010 12:10:27 AM

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