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Hey Mario, Ready To Be On Sony And Microsoft Consoles?

After Sega's final and admittedly valiant effort to stay in the hardware race, Sonic ended up on platforms that didn't say "Sega" on the box. Going into this generation, many believed Nintendo might not even release another console and follow Sega's route by becoming a third-party software developer. Well, after the immense success of the Wii and DS, that obviously isn't necessary.  ...for now.

But, the DS aside, the Wii's days are numbered. I'm not speaking of what may be an insurmountable lead in the hardware race; I'm talking about the future. We all know that the Wii doesn't require software to sell; it has sold and will continue to sell on the accessible, affordable motion-sensing gimmick. And just in case the rabid Nintendo fans are primed and ready to freak, let me make one thing very clear: it was an ingenious marketing tactic and nobody bet on Nintendo dominating anything after the last generation. We knew they couldn't compete on a technical level but so did they, and somehow, they managed to turn a negative into a gigantic positive by appealing to...well, to non-gamers. It was an amazing maneuver. But with PlayStation Move and Kinect right around the corner, the prices of those technologies destined to fall, and both the PS3 and Xbox 360 continuing to prove popular month after month while the Wii continues its decline, Nintendo could be facing its Waterloo.

What can Nintendo possibly do for another round of consoles? I believe the Wii to be their hardware swan song, although their lucrative portable business should continue to flourish. They can continue to sell their legendary mascots because the Wii is in so many homes but it seems exceedingly unlikely that a Wii 2 is in the works. What, they're somehow going to top Move and Kinect?  With what technology?  It also seems unlikely that Nintendo would want to keep Mario, Zelda, and Metroid limited to the handheld market, when they know hundreds of millions exist in the PlayStation and Xbox universes. The bottom line is that the mascots we all grew up with will eventually be on other consoles. It's almost inevitable. Sonic, we've had you for a while...Mario, we're waiting. Your coming-out party is nigh!

Tags: nintendo, mario, multiplatform, generation

7/20/2010 9:28:35 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (355 posts)

fluffer nutter
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 9:55:15 PM
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Naughty Bear vs. Mario & Luigi. I can see it now. Woooaaahahahahaha!

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B-RadGfromOV
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 6:27:31 PM

Naughty Bear? yuck. he doesn't deserve to be mentioned among Mario and Luigi

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jermar76
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 7:24:22 PM

Naughty Bear SOOOOOOOOOO SUCKs. I wanted months for the release, It was a sad very sad day.

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manofchao5
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 10:14:44 PM

@ fluffer nutter
you should be knocked the f out for even mentioning the game in the same sentence as characters like mario and luigi
now mario bros and littlebigplanet on the same game would awesome

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StangMan80
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 9:59:18 PM
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playing Mario on a Playstation? I don't think I will ever but I know many people who will purchase a new Playstation if mario goes that route.

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Who_KilledMe
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 10:00:55 PM
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I hope you are right. I honestly do not believe that any gamer likes the wii. The nintendo die hards like the key franchises. Without those the wii would be a non-gamer only console, which it is close to being already. What does the wii have to offer? Out-dated visuals, soon to be out-dated motion controls and their legendary franchises, which either one of the other consoles could or are going to do better. I would love to get these great franchises on my ps3 and see the end of a console that has over ten year old graphics. The ps2 is dying, why isn't the wii?

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Alienange
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 10:13:28 PM

You honestly don't think gamers like the Wii? Sales numbers say otherwise... as do gamers.

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Who_KilledMe
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 10:50:43 PM

What I am saying is that the gamers who enjoy the wii don't enjoy it because of any attributes of the console, but the franchises.

I mean what honest core gamer is happy with previous generation graphics in this current gen? Have you seen how terrible goldeneye looks? I would have been really excited to play a remake of that game had it been for any other console.

The only type games the wii handles well are cartoony ones, which luckily their key franchises all are. I did not say no one likes the wii. What I said is that the gamers who play the wii can't be impressed with it. They play it because it is the only way to get their favorite games.

My brother played the wii almost exclusively for the first two years of it's life cycle, but he hated the motion controls. I think that the fact that the motion controls aren't optional was a mistake.

Sure the non gamers love them, but I think that most core gamers realize that with the limited technology in those controllers, they have pretty much run the course of what they can do.

And of course I am not talking about the fanboys. I am not talking about the ones who have devoted their heart and soul to nintendo in the past and are completely blind to the underpowered game cube 1.1 that nintendo has sold them.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:03:08 PM

Your wrong. There are plenty of core gamers like myself who love Nintendo and their franchises. I can't wait to get my hands on the new Metroid and Zelda. Metroid and Zelda have been two of my favorite franchises of all time.

This complaint of "it only handles cartoony graphics" is lame. Who cares? thats why i have my PS3. I happen to like what Nintendo does with their games. Their games have some of the best color and design this generation. Skyward Sword and Kirby Epic Yarn look freakin amazing. So what if they are cartoony. We have enough games with realistic graphics. I happen to appreciate how many Nintendo games look. So what if their not HD? They still look great, better then the PS2 or Xbox. Just finished playing Metroid Prime 1 and 2. They were enhanced for the Trilogy release. While they don;t look like Killzone 2 they still look great.

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MyWorstNightmar
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:03:45 PM

Who_KilledMe, graphics are nice, but they aren't everything. I don't play Joe Danger for the graphics. Infamous graphics weren't that great either, but i loved the snot out of that game.

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Who_KilledMe
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:24:36 PM

Jawknee,
I am not saying no one likes the franchises or nintendo, I love the franchises myself, and they work great on the wii, as I said. What I am saying is that is all the wii can do, that's all that gives the wii credibility, their old franchises.

But look at some of the other games. Everything else is garbage. I mentioned golden eye which really disappointed me. It's also pretty telling when all the big multi platform titles just skip the wii. Or if they do go to the wii, they are a terrible looking spinoff.

Yes, I love zelda, mario, metroid and even donkey kong and kerby, but that is not enough to warrant a purchase. I bought a wii at launch and had it for almost two years, but then it got stolen and I just never felt compelled to buy it again because the great titles weren't coming frequently enough to warrant it.

Myworstnightmar I agree that graphics aren't everything, but to a point. They matter enough if they are so painfully bad that they distract the player.

And as far as infamous not looking good? Maybe compared to other ps3 games, but if a game came out for the wii that looked that good, I would pick up a spoon and scrape the words off my screen and eat them;)

I was not trying to start an argument here, obviously I was mistaken on a couple of my points when I generalized a little too much, but I know for a fact that I am not alone in my beliefs.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:34:28 PM

I think your over reacting when you say they are so bad they distract from the game. The graphics aren't that bad. New Super Mario Brothers Wii, Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 are some of the neatest looking games this gen. They are not HD or PS3 quality but one can still find appreciation in them.

I consider myself a bit of a graphics whore too and i am please with what Nintendo been able to do with the lack of HD support this gen.

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MyWorstNightmar
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:47:27 PM

Who_KilledMe, you aren't starting an argument, we are all being civil, just discussing our favorite topics.

I was comparing Infamous to other top notch PS3 games release around the same time. Yes, if Infamous was released on the Wii, well, it would look amazing. But it shouldn't be compared to other Wii games, just PS3 games, since it operates on the same hardware.

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Who_KilledMe
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 12:02:24 AM

I am not talking about the mario, zelda, kirby, etcs.. I am talking about their attempts at shooters and things like that.

I have already said that the aforementioned games work great on the wii. In my opinion they are the only reason to own a wii. And maybe, if I find myself with $200 extra cash one day, I might repurchase the wii.

I saw somewhere in the comments you saying that people should buy a wii for the key franchises and ignore the rest, and that is what my whole point has been, if it wasn't for nintendo's ability to keep these franchises fresh, they would have nothing.

I am not saying these games aren't great, that is why I would be excited if they did come to the ps3, is I would get to play them. Money is tight for most people, me included, and with so much great ps3 games and hardware coming out, it would be hard to fit a wii as well as several games into my budget.

It just really pisses me off that it got stolen in the first place. I already owned it as well as about 30 classic virtual console games. Now it's gone and I am left wondering if it is worth a reinvestment.

This whole graphics rant of mine came from two things, first, seeing the injustice done to the goldeneye remake, and two, seeing that the 3DS has graphics that match the wii.

Who has ever heard of a console makers handheld being just as graphically proficient as their console.

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Qubex
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 12:07:37 AM

Jawknee, I must agree with your comments. Even though, in my eyes the Wii is a toy, it is not a bad toy. There some very nice platforming games that I would not have minded to play.

I may still get a second hand Wii for a song at a later date... even just to have fun modding it and using it as a real "open" media server... And also purchase Mario and Zelda... they are really great games and well designed.

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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SvenMD
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 9:16:30 AM

Jawknee - I gotta be honest man....you're killing me with the "your" and "you're" exchanges here, hahaha.

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VicTheMighty
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:26:55 AM

@ Jawknee

Well you are saying exactly what he is saying. You are in love with the franchise and not the console. The Wii has good first party support but the console it utter crap.

And as a salesman I can tell you 90% of the people who buy our Wii's are either mid aged woman for workout or parents for their 5-10 yrs old. There are very FEW real gamers that come in to buy a Wii for the core games.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:28:42 AM

The console is not utter crap.

Sorry Sven, as you as see it was late. ;)

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Underdog15
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:02:54 PM

I agree with many points all of you have made. A good discussion. Unfortunately, much of it is very subjective and is not something as simple as a true or false argumentative.

Obviously, the Wii is not crap. It's certainly underpowered compared to other next gen consoles, however, it has made up for that with it's playability and great representations of it's keynote franchises. Yeah, I know, it's got some gimmicky games, but you can hardly judge a console by it's weakest link.

The fact is, although the hardware isn't as up to date as a core gamer might like, it has managed to deliver some very desirable productions. I, for one, believe that some PS3 and 360 devs should pay close attention to many wii dev's commitment to playability and it's franchise game's roots.

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WantSomeKoolaid
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:41:33 PM

The problem is Nintendo really is stuck. They have sold many consoles no doubt, but mostly to non-gamers or die hard gamers who realized the gimmick to late lol. Yes they could totally make a new system that has hd graphics, updated controls and Zelda in hd.... but would it work?

The thing is they have two options. (1)make a system with hd graphics and all of the other features currently on ps3 and 360 with better controls. (2)Make a system with a new innovation.
If they go with the first one, they wont sell many. Why? The die hard gamers would have already went to playstation or microsoft (which by that time have superior controls and graphics) and the non-gamers wouldn't pay for such a device, just like they wouldn't for a ps3 or 360. They already have their casual game system for the kids. If they go with the second one well.... what other innovations are there?? All you have is graphic wise and control wise. I don't see them making everything 3D and I also don't see them making virtual reality systems, which is really the only next step. So really they are screwed.

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VicTheMighty
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 10:12:39 AM

@ Underdog

No the Wii really is crap on the hardware level. The motion controllers aren't even precise enough.

But I did say that their first party support was very good. Even though the console has near to no potential compared to the competition their firts party devs managed to counter it with great gameplay. Although I am not saying sony's first party devs weren't able to do the same but with a console that has much more potential giving much more impressive results.

I don't know how many times a day I get people coming to FutureShop asking me where the Wii hdmi cables are because their image quality is really ugly in their opinion... Then I got to answer: I'm sorry the Wii doesn't support anything over 480p so you'd be better off plugging it on your old tv rather than your HD if you want sharper image. XD Then when I feel evil I talk to them about PS Move, Modnation racer and Little big planet ( The Wii equivalents but in HD and with better gameplay in my opinion ) And some people who just bought the Wii and are still in their first month actually refund it to buy a ps3 in some cases if I do a good enough job lol.

The Wii on the hardware level has got NOTHING and is one generation old. It really is just a GC with better controllers. And it shows especially now that HD is really taking over the market. But I will never deny that I had great fun with some of its games even though the graphics were never great.

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NiteKrawler
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 10:04:09 PM
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Interesting. Where is this coming from Ben? This seems like a piece one would write after some sort of epiphany. Kind of came out of the blue. Never thought I'd see the day Mario went to a non-Nintendo console, but I may yet.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 10:14:38 PM

Maybe he finally got to play Mario Galaxy 2?

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MyWorstNightmar
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:05:39 PM

No, I think he wants to play Mario Galaxy 2, and he is trying to figure out how to do it, and is wishful that he could just play it on the PS3. I don't blame him.

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:09:28 PM

It's doable on a Standard TV

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CHAOS THEORY X
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 10:05:12 PM
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Playstation graphics Zelda? yes please...

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main_event05
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 10:43:50 PM

MGS: Hyrule

Otacon:..... Disarm the new metal gear....
Snake:Oh. My. God. The tenth chicken.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:24:18 PM

Meh, i prefer how Zelda is designed on Nintendo consoles. Wind Waker is my favorite Zelda game of all time. I really like what they did with Skyward Sword too. The cell shaded look is always good. All they need to do is up the hardware a bit more for next generation so we can see all those beautiful colors in HD.

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SvenMD
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 9:19:09 AM

(I didn't thumb you down...) But Wind Waker looked like a game made for 5 years olds....I thought it was a slap in the face to series loyalists. It went so far away from the older classics. anyway, I didn't like it.

But I still think it's sad that skyward sword looks like a remade ocarina of time...

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MyWorstNightmar
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:06:28 AM

Sven, Wind Waker got 96 on Metacritic. 96. Someone must have liked the art direction.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:37:56 AM

I was quick to judge Wind Waker too Sven but it turned out being one of the best Zeldas ever made. Its a fantastic Zelda and its what started the whole cell shaded look for 3D video games.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 10:09:10 PM
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I've wondered about this same thing and since Nintendo keeps denying a Wii 2 or even a Wii HD is on the way and it is unlikely they will try to enter the hardcore market again I see this as a definite possibility.

There might be nowhere for Nintendo to go but down at this point. I would certainly welcome Ninty moving into software if only because I really miss the Zelda series and a couple games isn't enough for me to blow a bunch of money on a Wii.

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 10:11:53 PM
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Nintendo once said they'd rather go out of business than to go mutliplat

This will never happen

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 10:16:29 PM

They might sing a different song if they use their Wii money to develop a new console and it's a turd.

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Shams
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:42:02 PM

Although Nintendo most likely won't go multiplatform, based on their current massive success, that hasn't stopped them from going to multiplatform 3rd party developers for their 1st party franchises. The new Metroid is being developed by a personal favorite of mine: Tecmo's Team Ninja.

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Alienange
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 10:15:27 PM
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And here I was hoping to read what you thought of SMG2. Or have you not taken your Wii out of the box yet?

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MyWorstNightmar
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:07:52 PM

Any plans on playing Sin and Punishment?

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Siege
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 10:27:14 PM
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I hope you are right, Ben. After being disappointed by the Wii, I'm not sure I will purchase the next Nintendo console (which would be a very hard decision. I am a loyalist at heart and have had every Nintendo console to date). The only thing that could possibly get me to buy Nintendo's next console (if they were to make one) would be the next Zelda, Mario, and Metroid games. However, I would hate to buy a console for three games, such a waste of money.

Recently I was talking with a friend of mine and the topic of Zelda on the PS3 came up. Needless to say, our imaginations ran wild with possibilities. I would love to see it happen.

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Reccaman18
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 10:40:37 PM

I think everyone does! Nothing wrong with dreaming, and as long as you're doing that, why not go big?

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bentl78
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 10:35:24 PM
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I dont see this happening, but if you were right that'd be great. I think nintendo will come out w/another console that will surprise people though... thats what they strive for.. and although Wii is in the decline in sales, and i havent touched my wii.. for ages, coz i cant stand the SD graphics. U cant deny, even with the decline, they are still outselling the xbox and the ps3 for the first 1/2 of the year.

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Alienange
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 10:37:08 PM
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If the next Nintendo system doesn't have minimum 720p resolution with HD textures, trophies and a flawless online experience then I'm certainly not going to bother with it.

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NoSmokingBandit
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 10:43:26 PM

Its odd because i find that Wii games (the few great wii games) are actually better because of the low-resolution output.

I should probably explain that.

Look at a game like Kirby's Epic Yarn. Nobody would make a full game like that on ps3 or 360. It would be a huge waste of processing power. But since the wii cant produce HDR lighting, hi-res textures, and realistic animations the developers are stuck making games visually appealing through other means. Kirby's Yarn has everything in the world made of buttons, yarn, and fabric. All of which act like buttons, yarn, and fabric. It doesnt need fancy effects to look and play beautifully. It forced the Kirby team to look at it a new way.

Mario Galaxy doesnt look much better than Sunshine, but the way the planets interact is just a joy to play with, and i doubt that kind of genius would have shone through if they spent more of their time creating an HD engine and less time polishing the gameplay mechanics.

Thats why i love vintage games so much. There were so many weird and fun ideas in the Genesis/SNES era compared to today. Sure we get stuff like LBP, which is by all means a fantastic game, but thats one game compared to dozens in past generations where substance had to matter more than technical achievement.

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StangMan80
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:02:20 PM

I won't be picking up the next Nintendo, or Xbox, Because the PlayStation has what they have, but does it better and then has more. I'll be staying with PlayStaion for a very long time.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:12:03 PM

I'll pick up it up regardless. Their first party franchises are just too good to pass on.

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MyWorstNightmar
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:31:00 PM

Stangman, I play the PS3 5 times as much as I play my Wii, but if a WiiHD comes out, and a new Mario/Zelda/DonkeyKong game comes out for it, it would be rather difficult for me to ignore it.

For that matter, I will keep an open mind to the next M$ system that comes out. I don't have the 360, but I am open to having one.

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SvenMD
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 9:23:00 AM

MyWorst - Are you really still into Donkey Kong? I'm just asking because I had all the DK adventures on the SNES, but now I'm done. The new one that was highlighted at E3 looked like a remake of the old games....what's new and interesting there?

I just don't see the need in the purchase.

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MyWorstNightmar
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:12:34 AM

Sven, while I certainly wouldn't put it on par with Mario and Zelda, it is a staple franchise, and at this point, I almost take it for granted that it will be an extremely polished game, and very fun to play. Will it be a "Highlander coined" D1P for me? No, but I will definately play it at some point. PS3 has me so damn busy. With the family, I have a very finite amount of gaming time. However, DK is a perfect example of a game that I can play with my kids too. Red Dead for night time, DK for the daytime...=)

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SvenMD
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:02:41 AM

excellent explanation! I can see how you might have fun with it, yet still bill it as "for the kids"

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Alienange
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 12:30:00 PM

@ NoSmokingBandit - Your first paragraph about the new Kirby game makes sense, but more than anything, I think it points out the flaws inherent to the PS3 and 360. As if devs would be embarrassed to make a game like Kirby for the PS3 or something because the processing power wouldn't get used.

And that's a damn shame. Yet, I look at the PSN and see all kinds of little quirky games. Still, there's no massive sales numbers there so the point is well taken. Could a dev make a game like SMG2 on the PS3 and have successful sales numbers?

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Shams
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 2:41:30 PM

@NonSmokingBandit: Let's not forget your avatar's sake. Insomniac has done a number of simple, but very well designed games this generation, and in HD. I loved A Crack in Time.

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Reccaman18
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 10:39:38 PM
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Interesting article, Ben. But that's to be expected of you anyway. :) But I must say this has got me thinking. Does Nintendo realize this too, and that's why they wont say anything on a new console? Or are they keeping annoyingly quiet?

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main_event05
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 10:44:26 PM
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Wasn't Metroid already on the Xbox?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 10:50:59 PM

me thinks not.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 10:53:11 PM

It absolutely has not. Thats like asking if Zelda was ever on Xbox.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 10:54:35 PM

Actually Zelda was on Xbox, my xbox because I modded it to play Ocarina :)

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 10:55:01 PM

No

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main_event05
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 10:56:07 PM

ok. thats good to hear.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:19:51 PM

Sorry Main_event, i didn't mean to sound rude. Your question was just a little eye popping. ha

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main_event05
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:19:36 AM

haha. believe it or not I used to own an Xbox. after it stopped reading discs i locked myself in my room with my PS2 and went on a second honeymoon. So I didn't really watch a lot of tv or read my EGMS. But I did manage to catch a few spots for Metroid Prime and I thought that it was for Xbox.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 10:54:02 PM
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While I can't speak for Kinect, (How on earth are you gonna play anything more than a move your hands or run in place game?) Any decent dev will be able to make a Move game that can beat out any Wii game, and most of them would probably be just fine on the PSN if they weren't graphic intensive. All that Nintendo has left is its mascot characters. Well that and piles of cash.

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jdt1981
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 10:54:15 PM
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I'm pretty confident that there will be at least one more Nintendo console after the success the Wii had. As much as I would love to play Zelda and Metroid with PS3 graphics I just don't see that happening.

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MyWorstNightmar
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:44:23 PM

Actually, I see it the opposite way. I don't see the next Ninty console not having much improved graphics. They got away with it with the Wii/Gamecube jump, but I don't think they can do it again, nor do I think they would attempt it.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 10:57:38 PM
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This will never happen. Nintendo is too big now to worry about going the way of Sega. Gimmick or not, the Wii has sold a but load, continues to sell and has a lot of great software coming out to continue to support it.

Nintendo will be able to continue to compete. They will come out with new hardware next generation or sooner. It would be dumb of them not too. It will likely support HD and other features like the ones Alienage mentioned above.

I think you reaching a bit with this one Ben. These franchises are too big to let Nintendo fail. When New Super Mario Brothers Wii outsells MW2 on both consoles combined, i think its safe to say Nintendo has secured their spot in gamers hearts.

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MyWorstNightmar
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:19:32 PM

Hear, Hear!

Shame on anyone who underestimates what Nintendo is capable of.

Sure they may fail with their next console, but that could be said about M$, and even Sony for that matter. You are only as good as what you are currently offering. Nintendo was left for dead after the Gamecube, and Nintendo could have folded the tents and went home, but they decided to re-invent themselves, and offer something different than the other two.

I think we should all wait to shovel dirt on their grave until they actually do fail. Until then, I hope for their continued success, as I do with Sony.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:22:01 PM

Who are they selling to? Wii owners who, by the time the next generation is here, is well aware that both Sony and Microsoft have better motion-sensing? You think Mario and Zelda will do it alone?

Just because the Wii has sold a ton doesn't mean much in the future, especially with the rapidly declining Wii sales now in comparison to its early days. Nintendo could make a TON of money by bringing their mascots to hundreds of millions of gamers they wouldn't normally be able to target. That's what they know.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:29:49 PM

Those franchises are enough for me and i think its enough for most Nintendo fans like me.

I don't think the Wii will be Nintendos last console. They will want to continue making their franchises for their consoles so they will continue to innovate and build better consoles for future generations. Sales may be down but when ever i go to the store, they are still always out of Wii's. Have a few PS3's and are overstocked on Xbox. I talked to the store guy the other day at target. He said they are typically out of Wii's and PS3's within 2 days.

Sales are down i think because everyone and their mother already has a Wii. Once their sales take a big enough hit, Nintendo will just make a new console.

Besides, i think they have reached enough core and non gamers this gen to have continued success. All they need to do is continue appealing to non gamers and support the core gamers with their franchises.

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MyWorstNightmar
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:35:15 PM

Ben, saying "Wii owners who, by the time the next generation is here, is well aware that both Sony and Microsoft have better motion-sensing?" is the wrong way to look at it. It seems like you are assuming that the next Nintendo console is going to have the exact same tech that it has now. I however assume the opposite, I believe it will be much improved.

Ben, good article by the way, gets people thinking. Me anyways.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 12:53:41 AM

Nintendo cannot make a console that competes technically with either Sony or Microsoft. That much we know, and they know. The motion sensing thing will be far superior on the PS3 and 360 by the time this generation is over. Hence, Nintendo would need another gimmick to make another piece of hardware work, and that's the ONLY way they make another console.

But in looking at what the competition offers; from movies to full Internet to full multiplayer to everything in between, I think it would be difficult to find another gimmick that would hit like a ton of bricks.

And if they can make Mario and Zelda and Metroid shine brighter on consoles that can do what theirs can't, and they have no confidence in a new piece of hardware, I can't see Nintendo passing on immense sales potential.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:28:32 AM

"Nintendo cannot make a console that competes technically with either Sony or Microsoft."

I can't agree with this. The GameCube, while it didn't do as well as the PS2 or Xbox was a solid piece of hardware and had games that looked better then what was on the Xbox and PS2 at the time. Games like Resident Evil and Resident Evil Zero really showed how powerful that machine was. I think it's way too early to count Nintendo out.

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aaronisbla
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:41:55 AM

seriously ben, im not sure how you can say that with a straight face. They haven't made one, true. But its not impossible either.

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NiteKrawler
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:39:16 AM

@Jawk: Well technically, REmake and RE 0 only looked that good because of the prerendered environments.

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SmokeyPSD
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 10:38:46 AM

both resi games looked pretty fine on the ps2 to begin with when they were ported aswell...

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main_event05
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:00:40 PM
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If Nintendo goes the way of Sega, in the sense of making consoles, I wonder what that would do to the (Capcom/Nintendo)/Sony grudge. Would they return to Sony's side or would they continue to be multiplat but kinda side with MS (who would go bastardize their name).

I also wonder if Sega is just waiting for the right moment to jump back in the console race. The dreamcast wasn't a bad system. just a bit before it's time.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:02:08 PM
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I wonder if we will ever see an Xbox mascot on a Sony system... oh yeah it doesn't have any.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:06:46 PM

lol

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bearbobby
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:16:53 AM

As tired as it is, their mascot would have to be Master Chief from Halo. Even allowing that the series is also on PC, it's probably most associated with XBOX. But beyond that...?

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Jawknee
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:08:42 PM
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Sega's problem was all they had was Sonic. Sonic was always kinda lame to me and i kinda figured it wouldn't be enough to keep Sega afloat.

Nintendo has too many things going for them right now. I wouldn't be surprised if they were already working on a new HD console for the next generation.

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Oyashiro
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:58:01 PM

The problem wasn't that all they had was Sonic... It's that the only thing they gave any attention to was Sonic.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:19:00 AM

Sega just had bad timing, they had to compete with Sony's massive jump into the gaming biz in 95, which murdered the Saturn, and then the Dreamcast was born in between generations and so had both PS1 and PS2 style games on it without the advantage of DVD.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:33:48 AM

Sega platforms always seem generic to me. I only played the Genesis at my buddies house and just didn't like it as much as the SNES. Then that clunker of a hand held, Game Gear came out and while i thought it was cool to play on a hand held with that much color and power i was still left thinking what the hell was Sega thinking.

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TEG3SH
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 12:10:59 PM

I dunno, i'm kinda the opposite of that, I always hated (didn't enjoy is a better choice) Nintendo, as for sega I loved it, totally loved it. How can u say it was only about Sonic they had so much more. Golden Axe, Street of Rage, Duck quak, Mickey mouse, Rocket something, Spot, DOA2, House of the dead, Grandia what more, what more........ Chu Chu rocket and Red-dog.

and BEST OF ALL SHENMU..... and that just at the top of my head. any additions will be appreciated

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Jawknee
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:18:06 PM
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I also think its bad to wish Nintendo out of the console market. They have pushed Sony and MS to innovate. While some may not care about motion controls, it's nice to have options is it not?

If it wasn't for Nintendo, the industry would not be were it is today and thats a good thing. MS are the ones who need to bow out. They are taking gaming backwards, not forwards. And before people say Nintendo did the same thing by not going HD, I'll just submit to you, you should own a Wii for their great first party games and ignore all the shovelware. Want HD gaming, go PS3. Want cartoony fun and a bit of nostalgia, go Wii. Want a headache and waste time on the phone with customer service, go Xbox.

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MyWorstNightmar
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:23:36 PM

Ha, well, I do want to give M$ credit for pushing the online aspect of gaming, and I believe it has pushed Sony to better their online experience too. I think all three have done their part to push the other two.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:25:11 PM

Yes, yes, i will give credit were credit is due but still. Aren't you tired of getting watered down games because the Xbox can't hang with the PS3? ;)

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:27:30 PM

XBOXes are basically Playstation clones with less variety and quality.

Nintendo on the other hand is its own entity

That's why Nintendo VS Sony creates healthy competition.

Instead of "hey Squeeeeeeeenix will pay you 10 Million for FF."

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MyWorstNightmar
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:38:24 PM

Jawk, I don't mean to insinuate that M$ doesn't have blood on their hands for what they are doing.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:42:57 PM

yea i know. i didn't think you were. =P

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Who_KilledMe
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:46:07 PM

I don't think ben was saying that he wishes nintendo out of the console market, I think he believes that is what is going to happen.

And up higher I said I hoped he was right. Not because I wish nintendo ill will but because I would just really like to see some of these games with great graphics.

A lot of people will continue the argument that graphics aren't everything, but they sure do make games more enjoyable. Just look at the killzone 3 3D article and the discussion in there for proof of how much great graphics mean to people.

People love great graphics, me as well. But, and here's to hoping, if nintendo did release a new console and it could actually compete with the 360 or ps3 (and I'm not talking sales numbers) then I would be glad to welcome them back into the mix.

But I do agree with you on your point of the 360, and I guess it contradicts my point of great graphics. I would rather own a wii than a 360. The wii has at least five franchises I like and would like to get a taste of. The 360 has one.

If gears of war 2 and 3 do not come to the pc I will be pissed, I will send microsoft hate mail. I have given up on them coming to the ps3 but there is no reason other than microsoft trying to force people to buy their defective hardware that these shouldn't come to the pc.

Microsoft owns windows as much as xbox, but they are leaving us pc gamers in the dust lately. I have a high end computer and it is getting no love. I am of the opinion that any game on the xbox should also be on pc.

Sorry for getting off point but I really, really, really want to play gears of war 2 and 3 but I refuse to buy a console that will more than likely break on me again.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:55:02 PM

I don't think Ben is wishing for Nintendo's demise either, some in the comments section seem to be.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:20:06 AM

I just can't justify a Wii purchase for a few great first party games.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:35:18 AM

I think you would if you loved Zelda as much as i do. ;)

With all the great games out and the PS3 being the best console on the market, i just can't give up on Nintendo because of how much i like their franchises.

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SvenMD
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 9:29:25 AM

World - why not? I bought my PS1 because of FFVII. I had no idea what other games were on the console, or were coming to the console and I bought it mainly for 1 game....luckily it ended up ROCKIN' and now I'm a huge PS fan.

But I also bought the wii for parties, the wife, and for mario and samus. That's pretty much all I've played on it, and I've never said it was a bad purchase. Totally worth it.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 4:24:16 PM

I love Zelda a lot, but until I hit the lottery it isn't worth a console purchase. I can just toss in an old Zelda or play 3DDotGameHeroes until the Wii is like a few bucks.

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Luiscosmo2
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:19:13 PM
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As Much as I want Mario In my PS3...Wouldn't feel right Period.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:20:18 PM

Exactly. Kinda like a Final Fantasy on the 360...oh wait.

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MyWorstNightmar
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:25:02 PM

Mario ALREADY IS on the PS3. I haven't made it all the way through 3d Dot Game Heroes yet, but I saw Mario in a trailer of the game... =)

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Jawknee
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:25:54 PM

I built a nifty Link from the original Legend of Zelda.

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MyWorstNightmar
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:35:53 PM

And a good likeness it is. So now both Mario and Zelda can be seen on the PS3.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:07:08 PM

Lots of Mario's and Link's in ModNation

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Highlander
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:46:59 PM
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Dudes, I think the point that Ben is making comes from a deeper analysis. Nintendo is stangant. It's retreads of retreads. OK, they're very nice retreads, but still....they are retreads. The hardware side is no different. How many iterations of the Game Boy and then the DS were there? The Wii is literally like having two GameCubes grafted together. their hardware is just a retread of an earlier generation.

As for why this could possibly happen, the answer is simple, where does Nintendo go next? Their next console has to be HD, it literally can't be SD. If it is, it's dead in the water. So they go HD with a Wii compatible device. If it's fully Wii compatible, then they'll likely just accelerate the existing CPU and soup up the GPU. In which case, it won't even be as powerful as the existing PS3 or 360. The PS3's motion control scheme encompasses the camera approach as well as the 3D controller tracking and pitch, yaw and acceleration sensors in the controller, so short of a thought control head-set, there's nothing new to bring there.

So, Nintendo can play catch-up with the PS3 and end up selling a console that's more expensive than the PS3 will be at that time? Sounds like a disaster on wheels. By sticking to the profoundly last generation hardware in the Wii, Nintendo has left themselves having to leap two generations of hardware, not one, in order to keep up with the market.

That may be a leap too far. If they are logical, they may sense this and focus all their attention on a hand held device and software for other consoles. Because despite the financial success of the Wii, the actual progress in terms of hardware and software has been almost nil, and as a result Nintendo has entered a period of stagnation, not innovation.

The result could well be Nintendo games on a Sony platform.

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MyWorstNightmar
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:52:41 PM

I think Nintendo has become too big of a company for them to shrink down to just a software developer. They own a Major League Baseball team for gods sake.

I am interested to see where they go from here. The model is there when you look at the PS3. If they can sell a gimped Wii as well as they do, imagine what they could do with their franchises and even just a PS3 equivelant console.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 11:56:26 PM

I can agree with you point about the retreads Highalnder, but this method has been very successful for them. The DSi still dominates sales charts and only recently has the Wii taken a dip in sales. I think Nintendo will continue to surprise a many a gamer for a few more generations.

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Qubex
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 12:09:46 AM

Well, in some ways Highlander, Nintendo is another "Apple"... maybe they are a "Pear"... and like "Apples", there are many cult followers and consumers of "Pears"... so Nintendo has built up a core gaming group of people that love the franchises, and actually, don't care much about the hardware... as long as they can play the next Mario iteration...

is it not similar for followers of Kojima-san or the GT5 dude...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Qubex
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 12:11:05 AM

Highlander, I am erring toward Jawknee on this one... plain and simple... seeing is believing, and the sales numbers forces everyone to believe to some extent...

Also, do you think Nintendo will just role over and die... they may be the dark horse in all of this and come out with a stinker of an HD console a year before the others...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 12:43:22 AM

I don't think that they will simply roll over and die. They may try one more home console, but that was kind of what I was saying. If the put out another home console, where will it go that is not already inhabited by others? As Ben pointed out a lot of the younger, more casual, gamers that are currently Nintendo fans, are aging. Those fans will be older and perhaps wiser. Certainly they will be looking for more.

Nintendo's next home console could end up being it's last.

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StangMan80
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:39:40 AM

I agree with you highlander 100%.

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Qubex
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 4:27:06 AM

I think it is a possibility it could be Nintendo's last console... you may be right there Highlander, only time will tell.

But the question is, do we want Nintendo not to be in the game?

Look at how they have kept M$ and Sony on their toes... in some ways forcing them to try their hand at getting the casual gamer to defect. Rivals need to continue growing their numbers, pushing each other. The less competition, the worst for us in the long run.

Not saying Sony exclusive game qualities will drop off the edge, I just think it would be best to have healthy competition for all concerned...

I hope Nintendo come back with very strong hardware, so as to keep M$ and Sony honest...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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SvenMD
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 9:33:19 AM

Highlander - I've waited a long time for fans to get older and wiser...but there's always a new pack of 12 year olds to take their place...

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 9:35:16 AM

Do I want Nintendo out of the game? nope. competition is a good thing, and Microsoft is profoundly anti-competitive in so many ways. MS is an odd beast, they *look* like they are competing, but in fact what they do is anti-competitive because it actually stifles open competition. Rather than allow their platform to compete openly, they act to distort the market cross subsidizing their Xbox business with the profits of their software business.

As for Nintendo, I think that the problem is that they painted themselves into a corner. They were innovative, and now everyone else has caught up or exceeded that innovation. But in the process they have fallen behind in pure hardware terms and are not even in the HD race. Their next console will be a big upgrade. If they simply produce a console capable of what the PS3 is currently capable of, then they will have failed because both Sony and Microsoft will go a step beyond the current consoles with their next hardware release. So Nintendo has to leapfrog both Sony and Microsoft. This is not something that Nintendo is good at doing. This is the corner into which they have painted themselves.

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Kangasfwa
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 12:14:57 AM
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I'm with Jawknee and MyWorstNightmar on this one. Nintendo has to have something up their sleeve. The only real question is will they strike gold again?

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Benzin
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 12:20:28 AM
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Playing Zelda or Donkey Kong wouldn't be the same on a non-Nintendo console :/

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:25:21 AM

eh, the same was said of Sonic.

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Banky A
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 5:22:26 AM

And Final Fantasy... II and XIII

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SvenMD
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 9:34:51 AM

Yeah, we have to remember that FF was originally Nintendo....and then jumped to Sony...so we really can't be THAT pissed that it jumped to MS as well.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:56:30 AM

We can be a little pissed because when Square jumped to Sony they did it because they had more powerful hardware, when they jumped to MS they did it for money and not in the interest of advancing their games.

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Gamer46
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 12:30:08 AM
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If Nintendo didn't drop the home console market after the disaster that was Gamecube I can't see them doing it after the success they've had with the Wii. Stranger things have happened and I actually don't want Nintendo to stop making home consoles, but I guess we'll see what happens in the coming years.

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kraygen
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 12:31:46 AM
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This really is a tough one, on the one hand, I can understand what Ben is saying about nintendo being pretty much stagnant and not really having anywhere to go from here.

On the other hand tho, they have made so much money, that it seems they could afford to keep trying to move forward. If they didn't bring something to the next gen that could compete, then I could see them eventually going this route, but I don't think it would be any time soon.

I'm not much into mario anymore, just not my thing, I'd love to be able to play a new zelda, because I'm a rpg nut, but there aren't enough games for wii to make me buy a console, same as 360.

However I would be extremely happy if nintendo would at least start making some of their stuff multi-plat, because they own the rights to one of my favorite rpgs of all time.

Something that I would love to see a full ps3 version of is a pokemon game like the original 3. I'm not really into some of the newer ones, the pokemon they added are kinda lame, but I loved the first 3 and if I got a full ps3 pokemon game, that would rock.

In the end, I think it's possible that nintendo could choose to go this route, simply because of the money they'd be able to make and money they'd save not developing a new console. However if they ever do decide to do this, I think it'll be a long time from now.

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naruto316
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:27:23 AM
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all i have to say is i have been hoping for a zelda game on my playstation forever and if that day comes i would be very happy

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Jian2069
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:29:10 AM
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"What, they're somehow going to top Move and Kinect? With what technology?"

They brought touch screens and motion controls to the gaming world. If Nintendo makes a new console, there's a pretty big chance it won't be in direct competition with Move/Kinect.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:35:41 AM

They are going to have to be, because third party developers might ignore them otherwise.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:34:42 AM
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Food for thought: The motion sensing gimmick was what roped in the millions upon millions of non-gamers who made the Wii a success right? Can we all agree on that? Now I don't even think that because Sony and MS have Motion Sensing that it makes them Ninty killers, but you gamers out there know just as well as I do roughly how many people were seduced by this gimmick and things like Wii Fit only to let them collect dust.

I think most of us know somebody who has a Wii that never gets used, or barely gets used. Couple this with the fact that the kids who got the Wii will be older in time for the next gen and it could spell disaster because who is going to fall for the gimmick twice? Parenting gets worse every year, so more and more kids will want the system that brings the adult themes.

I seriously doubt Wii is their last console, but Ninty might just be up the creek without a paddle because they won't fool everyone again, not a great many people will buy a console for its mascots, and people have realized this gimmick with NOT bring your family together, get your kids off drugs, make them hate violence, and even get grandpa in on the action.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:44:32 AM

I wouldn't say Nintendo was trying to fool anyone. They were up front about their console and its limitations from the beginning. They made it clear they wanted to get the family in the same room again having fun with one another.

Now that obviously isn't enough for us gamers who prefer the PS3 or Xbox but they have still proven themselves very capable without going completely hardcore like Sony and MS did.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 2:10:34 AM

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe they ever intended to fool anyone either. Nintendo has always been about the experience. However, many people were "fooled" by being brought into the gaming fold by what was essentially billed as an interactive, fun, family product that could easily replace the board games of old only to find it collecting dust along with said board games. I'm saying that most people who bought a PS2 will at some point buy a PS3, but I have a hard time believing that most people who bought a Wii will buy a Wii2.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 2:42:11 AM

Yea, you may be right about that.

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MyWorstNightmar
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:28:31 AM

World, you talk of millions being fooled, buying something they don't use anymore. That can be said about any product. People on this website say they bought a 360, and now it just collects dust. People on 360 sites say they bought a PS3, and now it just collects dust. That can be said about any product. But if you put the Wii on the top of that list as a huge dust collector, well that reputation would spread don't you think? And people would stop buying it? But the fact is that while sales have slowed, it is still the top selling console by a large margin every month. Until the Wii dips below the 360 and PS3 in month to month sales, I won't be saying the Wii is past its prime.

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WolfCrimson
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:53:27 PM

MyWorstNightmar: Ok, we know the people on Xbox fansites who say their PS3 is collecting dust are either lying (they never had a PS3), or are doing that on purpose out of spite. And the people here who say their Xbox 360 is collecting dust are telling the truth.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 4:26:56 PM

The difference is we are talking about non-gamers here. If someone who never gamed before got sucked into the Wii gimmick and then let it collect dust they are unlikely to get another system. You see what I mean? These aren't HC gamers, this is the retirement home folks and delusional parents, aunts, grandparents, community centers, fat people whose Wii Fit didn't help them.

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Temjin001
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:42:31 AM
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I don't think Ben's idea is all that far-fetched.

The video-game industry is different these days.

If you remember, Nintendo was "warning" us of the impending "crisis" gaming was in while leading up to the unveiling of the Nintendo Revolution (Wii).
Nintendo was obviously very concerned about delivering the massive budget software titles that push out the titles like GoW3, Uncharted 2, and Gran Turismo 5. They knew they couldn't compete at that level because they had already been pushed out by Sony and MS.

Nintendo was literally forced out of the market they helped create. They decided to approach another angle: motion-control. The Wii's success has sparked the interests of their competitors, once again.
The bigger competitors are now, once again, knocking at their door; rather, busting down the door of motion based interfaces.

Where can Nintendo run now?

While massive infrastructures are taking root by Sony and Microsoft for delivering a multi-media entertainment hub, Nintendo is still working with a "toy" or "fun machine" that is aimed at delivering their basic entertainment.

Universal standards in gaming are beginning to emerge. The need for new hardware may become much less necessary in the coming generation.

If I were to imagine any scenario that would keep Nintendo viable for several years more would be one where Nintendo somehow melds the handheld market with also the living room. Imagine having something like a low priced Nintendo DS with reasonable graphics and Nintendo's trademark games that could wirelessly communicate with a TV-connected hub (sort of like the PSP).But even then, that can only last for so long, especially when considering Apple's presence in handhelds.

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Temjin001
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 9:56:32 AM

BTW, I really do think Nintendo has another console planned to succeed the Wii. I simply think that, eventually, the necessity of engineering new hardware for gaming will diminish because of a dominant and forward thinking market presence by a company like Sony (they do shape consumer trends with their electronics). I remember reading a report about a year earlier that analyzed Nintendo's expenditures into R&D. This report revealed a massive, bigger than anything before it, investment into some kind of something... Was it the 3DS, or something else, or multiple things?

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aaronisbla
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:56:11 AM
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Ben with all due respect(since i do visit this site quite often) your article will get accused of "reeking like flame bait" and honestly it would be hard to say that it's not.

I don't agree with the Wii being nintendo's swan song and i also think any one else thinking it is is in for a rude awakening. Not sure what makes you think they will just lie down like old dogs and go away, not after the dominating sells they've had this gen. Numbers in nintendo's case don't lie

You assume they won't come up with something that can rival kinect or move but no evidence points to this. Its not even a sure shot that those 2 motion controllers will catch on.

To each his own though, just be prepared for all 3 companies to launch next gen systems and for Mario to stay put with his company. I'm normally not a nintendo supporter, quite the opposite lately but come on...



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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 2:19:10 AM

I'd say the proof is in the pudding, Ninty bowed out of the graphics intensive hardcore scene because they couldn't compete. With the Move having what amounts to 1:1 motion control what could Nintendo make that is better than that? The PS3 can handle BOTH graphics intensive hardcore software with motion controls, and the simpler games the Wii has. Nintendo would have to create a system that does that as well, and since they aren't capable of that, the best we could hope for in a Wii 2 is a system that is again years behind in technology and 3rd party studios will want to produce for the established systems instead of the Wii 2, which could really only hope for ports. So unless they have a holodeck up their sleeve I don't know where they could go because Zelda, Mario, and Metroid can't support an entire console market.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 2:40:01 AM

Wait, who said they couldn't compete? Nintendo never said that. It was never their goal to compete in the graphics department. It was all about motion controls this gen for them.

If MS can build the Xbox, surely Nintendo is capable of building a new console that can stand with the PS3 or even better for next gen.

I agree they put themselves a step behind and that could hinder their ability to catch up but I think they can figure something out. I keep bringing up the GameCube, it had better looking games than the PS2 and Xbox.

I also agree well probably see Wii sales dissipate before the PS3 or Xbox, more reason for them to get a head start on the next generation. ;)

I also agree in the end they will need more then Zelda, Mario and Metroid. ha

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 3:26:17 AM

@Worlds,
Completely agreed. If Nintendo comes with a new console for the next generation they will effectively have to jump two generations. The hardware will have to be completely new and it will be a huge investment for developers. Both MS and Sony are more likely to attempt an evolutionary approach to the next console in order to leverage everything they have built with this generation.

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aaronisbla
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 4:07:18 AM

where do you guys get this "they can't compete in the graphics department" from? last i checked nintendo never stated that. This gen the graphics they have on the wii is way below that of the ps3 and 360, but please point out where it says its impossible for them to make another system in the near future that will be high in graphical fidelity.

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Banky A
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 5:26:06 AM

That's it World, they're coming up with a Holodeck. Thanks for the jinx.

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SvenMD
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 9:44:26 AM

Aaronisbla - I think their point is that Nintendo is too far behind the curve to catch up in one generation.

Comparing to cars - Nintendo is currently like Hyundai, whereas the PS3 is like Aston Martin. And it would be very difficult for Nintendo to go from producing Sonatas this generation to producing a Vanquish next generation. Typically you have to work your way up.... Hyundai Sonata-> Toyota Celica-> Lexus IS 350-> Aston Martin Vanquish.

I just don't think Nintendo will have the ability to make such a huge jump. Like they said...it would take alot of money and a huge investment.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:36:14 AM

Why Sven, where does this claim they can't do it come from? I'm sure Nintendo is more then capable. Aaron is correct, there is no evidence to suggest otherwise. People are just making it up.

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MyWorstNightmar
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:42:36 AM

I love the talking heads on this site saying what is and what isn't possible for Nintendo. I wonder if Nintendo is reading this site, and is feeling extremely discouraged because some of you think they are not capable of certain things. Please! If it is in Nintendo's plans to compete with a large power house console, then that is exactly what you will see. There is no reason to think they can't. Piles of cash can work wonders in a development branch of your building.

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SvenMD
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:23:53 AM

It's not a "claim", it's an assumption. You said yourself that it was never Nintendo's goal to compete graphically (hence why they came out with a Wii where the CPU was only 2x as fast as the gamecube), and that their goal was motion control. OK, they did that...done.

Now Sony and Microsoft both have some type of motion control, but we'll stick with move because it is more like the Wiimote. So now you have motion control, 1:1, on a system that has a 3.2 Ghz cell processor in it instead of a wimpy 729Mhz Broadway CPU. So you tell me what Nintendo is going to do to produce a product that is more powerful than the PS3 to compete?

I do like my Wii, but I honestly never would have bought one if my wife didn't want it first. Call me whatever you want, but I want GRAPHICS to blow me away. On top of that, awesome lighting, textures, physics, dialogue....etc.

Lastly I haven't heard anything about Nintendo researching any new architecture....which is exactly what they would need to surpass either Sony or MS. So at this point it is my ASSUMPTION, not CLAIM, that Nintendo will not be able to compete in the coming years.

I'm not bashing Nintendo like a PS fanboy, but does my argument not sound reasonable? Or do you think Nintendo has a PS4 killer locked up in the basement R&D lab?

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:59:37 AM

Its reasonable as your comments always are. I just think you're underestimating what Nintendo is capable of and what Iwata and Miyamotos minds are capable of. Just because we haven't heard about Nintendo working on new hardware doesn't mean they aren't or at least thinking about it. We just don't know.

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SvenMD
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 12:57:25 PM

HA, I like your first sentence.

But as someone else said on here somewhere - Nintendo does what no one else is thinking of, and that's what makes them Nintendo. (or something along those lines) Which I think is definitely true. I don't think anyone on here WANTS to see Nintendo fail. So as always I will look forward to whatever they do next.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 4:32:34 PM

Obviously it's all just speculation at this point, this particular talking head just thinks Ben has a point in writing this article and I like to argue points.

What is clear though, it that Nintendo has gone down a particular path that allows for such speculation on the future.

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marcusfrommo
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 2:26:12 AM
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well, nintendo is more like a ps2 with better graphics. not much better. i say, you put your best x box 1st system game, halo2 maybe, against mario galaxy 2, i don't see much improvement. nintendo has the largest online video arcade. xbox live comes in a very close second. if mario galaxy 2 is out, donkey kong, kirby's yarn, and goldeneye is set for this year, then other than zelda, what else is due out next year? that's not including the 3ds. since mario galaxy 1and 2 is a 1st party product, is that the best the wii can do graphically? aside from the wii's 1st party games, their competitors xbox and ps3 comes out with triple a titles almost every quarter and their not 1st first party exclusives either. whether it's a shooters, sports, action, or rpg games. there 2d wii games can be the on the ps3 and xbox arcade. the wii was released here in the usa first, then in japan later. in japan they had different colors, we just had white. now, we can get it in black. woohow! back then, they flew off the shelves like they stuffed animals that may or may not be worth something twice or three times it value in the near future. now, i think people are seeing that the wii cost just as much as their two competitors. can someone please ask me why, certain japanese in japan prefer the wii, over the xbox as their second choice of system with the ps3 as there first? i bet in japan, on xbox, they make a lot more shoot-em ups arcade games and rpg games that will never show the light of day here in the usa. and they still turn there nose at it. i heard that gears 2 never made in japan because they had to butcher (sensor) the heck out if it. that, i'm not sure off by the way. what say you?

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 2:29:14 AM

They're quite a bit better. The GameCube arguably had better graphics then the PS2 and the Wii is above the GameCube. You have to play Nintendo games. Not their shovel ware. They are quite polished for a non HD console.

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 3:23:43 AM

Jawknee, I'll take that argument and wipe the floor with the Gamecube. PS2's graphics were very differently done, and far more capable than anyone thought. The core thing about the PS2 that developers learned to grapple with was that it worked best when it streamed data through the GPU. The GameCube works like a more traditional GPU setup. In the end, the PS2 was capable of things that made the GC blush. I need only mention God of War and GT4.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:34:45 AM

Yes those games looked good Highlander, but i will tell you i spent much more time playing my GameCube then my PS2 last gen and it had some impressive games. Wind Waker, Mario Sunshine, Resident Evils, Metroid Primes all looked just as good if not better then most PS2 games.

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:06:42 AM

Fair enough, I've never said that GC and Wii (or even the N64) don't/didn't have some good games. I'm commenting purely on the technology at work.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 2:34:13 AM
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Another point, i wouldn't want to see Zelda on anymore then one console. If it had to leave Nintendo it would need to stay exclusive to one console or a another. Time not spent on fidgeting with multiple consoles is time spent focusing on the actual game. I think that's been key for Nintendo and why their franchises never disappoint me.

So...PS3 it should be. =P

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 4:35:43 PM

Majora's Mask was horrible though.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 6:49:20 PM

It was the only Zelda i never finished.

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___________
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 3:34:42 AM
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gee ben its not obvious you hate the wii ay?

i seriously can not see this happening, in fact if it does than it would be such a shock the whole universe would implode on itself!
nintendo are raking in the cash right now, any more and they would have to hire a mint!
so why stop?
if your making millions off something are you going to A stop or B keep the money flowing?

ninty will release another console, it will be focused on motion controls just like the wii, but it will have the options to use the old styled controller like the wii offers.
it will be a HD wii if you will, thats really all they need they dont need another "gimmick" as you put it.
yeah motion controls are a gimmick, so thats why every companies jumping on the "gimmick" bandwagon?

M$ and sony are trying to steal nintys thunder, they think by releasing "gimmick" controls they will be rolling in the sales ninty does.
but they wont!
why? SIMPLE!
ninty has a family friendly name, parents buy the wii for their kids so casual accessories like motion controls excel on the wii.
99% of wii owners own a wii for its games, games only it offers like donkey kong, mario, zelda, metroid, games no other system offers.
you dont go and buy a wii so you can play games similar to other systems offer.

sony and M$ think by adding motion controls to their library they will steal nintys audience, but that is never going to happen because they dont have mario or metroid or zelda or donkey kong, or hundreds of classic ninty games!

all ninty has to do is release a HD wii and that will cement them in for the next 10 years, maybe releasing a new IP every once in a while to keep it fresh and interesting, but their old series is more than enough to keep them going!
one thing ive learnt this gen is nostalgia is a very powerful thing!

than after the wii HD, all they need to do is create a console which supports full HD 3D support without the need of glasses like the new 3Ds.
yes it will probably be behind the competition, but so what!?
ninty has always been behind the competition that has never hurt them!
the N64 was behind the competition, the gamecube was behind the competition, the wii is behind the competition, but that has not stopped them to becoming number 1 this gen!

nintendo are always behind the competition, but that has never mattered because they have always offered something the competition does not offer and that has kept them on top!
where sony rely on up to date amazing tech and graphics, M$ rely on online services, ninty rely on what matters, the games!
they do what sony and m$ should do, they focus on giving us something no competitor can give us.
thats what you have to do if you want to sell your product!
theres no point being the best of the best, if your product does not offer anything different to the competition!

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 3:46:07 AM

There are times when you just go beyond reason. Like this statement;

"all they need to do is create a console which supports full HD 3D support without the need of glasses like the new 3Ds."

Um, Nintendo can't do that. Sony could, since Sony actually makes 3D TVs, and has R&D labs designed to do that. If a 3D TV comes along that works without glasses, it will work with any 3D video source such as BluRay players and PS3s. So, how will Nintendo be the only console compatible with glassesless 3D? I await your response with interest.


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Snaaaake
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 3:48:36 AM

You know......I agreed with you until you talked about Wii HD and 3D.

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___________
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 9:52:42 AM

where did i say nintendo would be the only console who supports glasses free 3D?
all i said is all they need to do is add that, and full HD support to a new console and thats really all they need.
sony and M$ have to have drastic hardware changes, and new features because 1 thats what people expect and 2 thats what they rely on.
its what separates M$ from sony, but what separates ninty from M$ and sony is the games.

almost every exclusive M$ has sony has something similar and vise verse.
forza to GT, halo to KZ, resistance to gears, crackdown to infamous.
but neither the 360 or the ps3 have games like mario, or metroid or donkey kong, or pokemon.

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 9:54:52 AM

Right here (I already quoted you once...)

"than after the wii HD, all they need to do is create a console which supports full HD 3D support without the need of glasses like the new 3Ds."

Your statement implies that Nintendo could do something unique in their console design to support such a display along the principles of what is done with the 3DS. Obviously that's nonsense, since the 3DS uses an optical filter on the screen to produce it's "3D" effect, and that's not something that a new WiiHD console could replicate on home TVs. Not to mention the fact that any non-glasses 3D technology for home Tvs will benefit every 3D device.

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SvenMD
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 9:54:53 AM

First of all, can you PLEASE try to learn the proper usage of then/than, as well as your/you're!!! Trust me, it WILL help you in the real world.


My real question to you. You said, "maybe releasing a new IP every once in a while to keep it fresh and interesting"

But can you name a new IP that has made Nintendo interesting in the last 5 years? Or even push it back to 10 years... You might get away with Red Steel or Mad World, but so help me if you mention Conduit.....

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:22:34 AM

No, I don't hate the Wii. Nowhere in the article is it even implied that I do.

I didn't read beyond that because your posts are just too ridiculous these days.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:16:55 PM

Anonymous Cowpatty.... you are the king of verbal diarrhea.

These posts of yours.... it's like... somebody made you eat a whole bunch of those wooden scrabble letters, then you barf them up onto these discussions and point at it and call it a good point.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:33:01 PM

LOL!!!! I love it! That made my day Underdog.

Pure Comdey Gold!

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MyWorstNightmar
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 4:08:15 PM

Can't believe I am going to say this, but I actually took the time to digest ________'s first post, and I agree with what he said. Except for the 3d with no glasses, but that is hardly a reason to thumb him down, it was just wishful thinking on his part.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 7:26:08 PM

I think the fact that it was so scattered in his train of thought that you had to take time to digest and rearrange his thoughts is a good indication of verbal diarrhea. That just means you'd make a good nurse. The rest of us don't feel like sifting through all that runny crap to find the meat and corn-skin.

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Bjorn77
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 3:36:39 AM
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Fact is that no one really knows, nobody on this board or any other board knows what's going on in Nintendo's kitchen. All is based on speculations and rumors.

Nintendo is far from dead and wen the eight generation arrives I am sure Nintendo will have a car to race with and they have a vast supporter base that will support their car.

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 3:47:29 AM

We can make educated guesses because technology is technology.

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Bjorn77
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 3:59:19 AM

True, but who really did see the wii coming? They always have those strange gadgets. I remember that weird gaming helmet they build, it didn't succeed but it sure was innovative. And that's what they will do again, maybe not directly in the next gen but maybe later on in the cycle they will come up with something innovative.

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 9:27:38 AM

OK, but the thing is that the parameters are set in so many ways, and although Nintendo can innovate, there are limited that they cannot break.

For example, HDTV is not about to change into something it's not. Which means that for now and the next 10 years at least the peak of HD entertainment in the home will be 1080p. 3D in 720p will look awesome, and it's highly unlikely that 3D beyond 720p will be used by broadcasters, only 3D BluRay has the bandwidth to go to 3D 1080p.

Motion controls have been done to death, we now have optical tracking voice command, sensors in the controller, gesture commands, 1 to 1 precision. Short of a neural interface, we're pretty much done.

Visually Nintendo is limited by the same device that limits Sony and MS, the TV in the home. So any glassesless 3DTV will benefit all equally, not just Ninty.

The Internet is the Internet. Sony and Microsoft have both got robust online environments with extensive Ecommerce. Nintendo cannot single handedly alter the Internet infrastructure.

Short of some kind of 21st century Powerglove or virtual reality headset, Nintendo has kind of painted itself into a corner. It's next console really has some technological limitations on it's ability to innovate. Their biggest issue is that whatever they do will need to be a complete departure from their current position. If they simply update the Wii, they *might* catch up with the 360/PS3 performance and capability, but both PS3 and 360 already have an army of 3rd party devs.

I don't know what will happen, Nintendo has a mountain of cash that they could use to develop a new console or buy something significant. Not sure what they might do.

One thought that just struck me is that they could take their billions of $$ and make MS an offer for their console gaming division. That would be one way of buying back into the market, and might actually be cheaper than developing something new.

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Fane1024
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 9:41:27 PM

If Nintendo had a "vast" base of support, the GameCube and N64 would have sold better.

They have a core audience of fans like Jawknee who will buy anything they produce, but that's not the same demographic that produced the massive sales of the Wii. I have to agree with The Highlander that it remains to be seen if ANY of the "casual" Wii owners will buy a second Nintendo console.

The only person I know IRL who owns a Wii used to own PlayStations and now wants to get a 360 (because his school friends want/have them). We've tried to convince him that the PS3 is better, but peer pressure is powerful for kids.

p.s. Yay, my Guinness picture worked!

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Snaaaake
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 3:47:27 AM
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As if Nintendo will give up their franchise.

Unless Sony or Microsoft struck a deal with Nintendo, THERE'S NO WAY IN HELL NINTENDO WILL SIMPLY GIVE OUT THEIR TREASURES.

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 3:48:14 AM

They wouldn't be giving up their franchise, they would remain in control, but would be addressing the entire gaming population instead of simple Nintendo nation.

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Snaaaake
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 3:54:55 AM

Well, but still, the Wii is still outselling the 360 and Ps3 even though it's declining.

I really don't see any reason for them to give Mario to Sony and Microsoft.

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Bjorn77
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 4:06:30 AM

The wii is an excellent console for children. I love it! Games on the wii shelf are children friendly and that is awesome. No discussions whether or not a game is suitable.

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 9:48:34 AM

Bjorn,

that's not entirely true, there are Wii games that I wouldn't let my child play because they are unsuitable. There are dozens more that I would not let my son play because they are an utter waste of money and time. The Wii is residence to more shovel-ware than any other platform I know of - except perhaps the DS. Quantity doesn;t make quality.

Yes, the Wii is good for kids, but it's also looking increasingly old and irrelevant. Kids grow into teenagers and like it or not, most of them want more action oriented, flashier, and (sometimes) deeper games than the Wii generally offers. Nintendo has certain key franchises but other than the half dozen of those, what does Wii really bring?

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MyWorstNightmar
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:12:28 AM

Highlander, you are being way too kind!!!

"There are dozens more that I would not let my son play because they are an utter waste of money and time."

Seems the Wii has the shovelware disease, there must be well over a 100 crap games, maybe 150? I feel sorry for suckers *ahem*, not informed consumers, who buy that crap.

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Vivi_Gamer
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 4:20:16 AM
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hmmmm i don't know, there are things you have to consider with sega and sonic:

1. Sonic while Sonic Adventure got alot of interest, SA2 did not because that was released just when the Dreamcast was fading out. Mario games are still very successful.

2. The Wii while it is not a strong console, sadly it is selling the most because it's more suitable for familys. The Wii is not in a dangerous postion like the Dreamcast was. So i reckon Mario has nothing to worry about.

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Snaaaake
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 4:46:55 AM

Yea, if Sega was still making console I doubt that we'd see them on non-Sega console.

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Tom_Robertson
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 5:26:27 AM
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Nintendo have killed mario in my opinion. All the seem to do is bring him out in the same game with a different name every year. I hope they don't go multi-plat :/

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Godslim
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 5:44:42 AM
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wii will always be brought along with its games.....i like to compare it to the offical music charts most of it is crap but you'll always get people who will buy it

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 4:46:00 PM

brought where?

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RobiinzZ
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 7:07:33 AM
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Is it just me or do you reckon the next generation of consoles will all be the same.

i mean, sony will proberly release an updated ps3 with a beefier cell engine which can do 1080p 3D (maybe higher resolution) + move.

Microsoft will bang out a beefer xbox with kinect, possibly a new optical disc if they dont want to use blu ray.

and Nintendo with probz do a beefed up wii capable of HD and 3d to link with the 3ds.

So, i reckon the next consoles will all do 3d + motion controls and great graphics and the only thing to set them apart will be exclusives.

since i cant think of any amazing technology wich could suprise us like the wii did.

unless microsoft went download only or somethin, i dont know how the next gen consoles will differ.

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N_8_
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 9:25:12 AM

Holograms for the Big N, not HD 3D... They'd be the ones to use it.

http://www.media.mit.edu/spi/HVmark1.htm

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:22:14 AM

So, are Nintendo going to enter the CE market with holographic TVs? Because unless someone else is about to drop holographic TVs to the market, Nintendo won't have anything to display on.

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Mamills
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 7:07:41 AM
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lol keep dreaming, Nintendo aint going anywhere.

cmon their system isnt the most powerful, sure but they are ahead of SONY and microsoft in the trend department. the wii brought in the 1st motion controlled system (im not a fan of the wii but meh). now the others are copying

and while the other companies are trying to catchup now, nintendo beat sony with the 3D chase on the 3DS.

now its only a matter of time b4 they have that tech in TV's. (Screw wearing those 3D Glasses ($200 each by the way)

nintendo never really goes for power, (Hard to beat SONY in that department) but i mean cmon they just take it in another direction.

and thats what they'll proberly do with their next console.

i mean lets face it
nintendo has introduced some crazy tech, it'll be interesting to see what they have next.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 4:47:39 PM

I'm afeared of your avatar.

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marcusfrommo
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 7:21:41 AM
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ok, jawknee, then lawless. jawknee, i was refering to the wii graphics. if we are talking about the gamecube, is the best quality game for tht system resident evil #? is there a game tht looks as good as tht on the wii? all i hear is mario? maybe metroid when it comes out. there 3ds demo almost outshadowed the wii. i just have to see the final product. i just hope it's not all hype. since i'm on the subject of handhelds, sony, please stop sending or making games for the

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:50:25 AM

Twilight Princess looks as good or better then Resident Evil. Mario Galaxy looks great, the new Metriod and Zelda look better then those Resident Evils. Its not a PS3 but it still has some impressive looking games under its belt.

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JackC8
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 7:33:37 AM
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It's interesting to speculate about whet the future holds for Nintendo. I think their console sold well originally because people were used to paying a little over $100 for a PS2 and then along came the PS3 and 360 selling for well over four times that much. Very intelligent move on Nintendo's part in my opinion. Since then it seems to have devolved into the console you buy for your kids, as all the games are quite obviously aimed at them. And grandpa and grandma can enjoy the minigame collections too.

But what next? The whole appeal is the low price, they can't go HD without completely ruining that aspect of it, and their audience doesn't care about it anyway. And good luck with ever getting the "hardcore" gamers back after several years of offering them absolutely nothing. Yet they'll probably want to do something about their declining sales.

Like I say, should be interesting :)

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marcusfrommo
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 7:48:09 AM
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psp. no, no, "i wish they made a sequel or prequel to gow, mgs, valk. chron., parasite eve, kingdom hearts, and that one atlus rpg game where they shoot each other or themselves in the head on to the more aging psp, instead of the ps3". what's next, a psp exclusive version of zone of the enders? gosh, at least xbox has mass effect as an exclusive rpg. does sony has any exclusive rpg sequel other than wkc? they don't promote it. well, if anything needs an upgrade other than the wii, it's the psp. have you've seen any psp go or psp go only commercials lately here in the usa? i haven't. sony, i don't care if it's 1 or 6 years from now, please make the psp 2 as close or better than the ps3? PLEASE!!! you know (to all of the people who disagreed with me before), if the psp came out during or around the release of the ps1, and it played all ps1 games, it might cost more than the console itself, maybe double.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 4:49:52 PM

PSP2 will pop up before you know it.

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DIsmael85
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 7:49:07 AM
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Wow, never thought I'd see an article like this on here. This is a pretty epic way of underestimating Nintendo brand. They have been around way before Sony and Microsoft did anything in relation to consoles, and have never faltered since. I am not the first to say I can't stand the Wii at all, however, it is a not a system that hasn't had extreme success. We are hardcore here, True, but you cannot rule out everyone that is not on the same ship.

I wouldn't doubt Nintendo has something impressive up their sleeve that just might blow our minds in the next console release. All they have to do now is go Hi-Def, make use of the 3D tech and incorporate controller usage with the motion usage and they are up there with the big boys. You know how many console they have sold, they know their audience.

I love this web page and the people in it, but sometimes I see some crazy things fly up on here.

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Bjorn77
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 8:39:42 AM

That is spot on, they have massive fan base and people from my age like Nintendo. I grew up with Mario Bros on the NES and I that is also what I give my children. I ain't buying them a ps3 or XboX.

You don't buy a cross motor for your child, you buy them a bicycle.

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 9:45:00 AM

To do as you say and go 3D in HD with their motion controller uprated for the accuracy required would need a box far, far more capable than the Wii is. Which means that a completely new hardware platform is required. not just a souped up version of the souped up GameCube that is the Wii. A totally new platform is hideously expensive and risky - just ask Sony. You won't build such a radically new platform and then come out with a $249/$299 price tag. That is the problem Nintendo faces. That is why I think this is definitely an arguable question and not simply ridiculous speculation.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:23:47 AM

Explain to me how Nintendo stays in the hardware game next generation then.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:48:40 AM

Ben they are sitting on a wad of cash im sure they will use it to research what their next console could and should be. Its not impossible for them. Your giving them too little credit. Your assuming they don't have it in them to create new hardware that's up to specs when there's no evidence for it. you assume they can't or they won't, i assume the opposite. Nintendo will want to continue making money and as most business' do in competitive markets, they will adapt.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 4:50:55 PM

Actually the N64 had mostly bad games and the Gamecube barely competed, so I'd say they faltered.

@Jawk, the Wii was a success because it didn't compete with PS3 and 360. Any new console would almost certainly have to compete with them, or the next gen Sony and MS delivers. That could be the disaster that causes this post apocalyptic Nintendo future. As to why this might now happen,they have made it clear that they don't want to compete.

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Fane1024
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:16:49 PM

@ Jawknee

They haven't spent that money on game development; they're still producing first-party games (both AAA and shovelware) at roughly the same rate they have for years.

I doubt they'll spend it on hardware development. At least not to the degree that Sony did for the PS3, which is what they'd have to do.

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MyWorstNightmar
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:10:24 PM

Fane, what shovelware has Nintendo produced?

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mackid1993
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 8:20:09 AM
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I said this on the forums about a year ago and everyone laughed at me.

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marcusfrommo
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 8:22:00 AM
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oh, onto my friend lawless, i hope the move is a success, just so it can overthrow the wii competition. lawless, do you have an xbox 360? i have one, but my membership expired. i thk they have a ton off people making games for them just for the arcade alone. some of these arcade games that eventually carry over to the ps3 are xbox's leftovers. i mean, sony has a lot of ps1 games at their online store, what 80 games more or less? aside from their 5 to 7 gigs 360 games on demand and their exclusive xbox originals, they have well over 100 games (i think). other than the ps1 classics, they have noticeably less, i think. by the way, have you've seen the 360 galaga and space invaders remake on the arcade? i know it's kind off old, i'm just saying. some off there shoot em ups are kick a@#. did you know that in japan, some of there arcade games (maybe collectors edition) sell for an actual 360 game? you know, i'll believe xbox releasing a sequel to the 360 over the wii. other than mario, wht else do they have?

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marcusfrommo
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 8:58:54 AM
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lawless bro, zelda is an rpg game right. let me see, ff13, versus, ff14, demons souls, valk chron, dragon age (haven't played it yet). xbox: mass effect, ff13, dragon age, blue dragon (why they haven't made a sequel to tht game is a mystery to me), and others. tht doesn't even include their exclusive or multiplatform japanese rpgs like star ocean, tales of vesperia, etc. metroid, is tht a 1st person shooter or 3rd person action game. either way, other than sports games, a few rpg games, and their arcade games, sony and microsoft releases nothing but shooters and action games. whether it's exclusive or not, each quarter, they release triple a title or something pretty close to it. maybe if the 2 consoles sold there system at their original price, but at 100 dollors cheaper than nintendo's competitors, the xbox and the ps3 is almost a steal. and people, please don't call sony "wii hd" when the "move" comes out. even though nintendo was the best at e3, but to say their games or exclusive games are hardcore?

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 9:42:07 AM

Marcus,

Oh goodness, of all things you're arguing that Nintendo has a greater breadth of games than Sony and are dismissing the PS3 as a shooter's machine and nothing much else?

My friend, you really need to take a look at the games available on PSN, and the games available on disc. In terms of big, million selling, games. the PS3 can count games like Ratchet and Clank, Little Big Planet, Mod Nation Racers, Heavy Rain, Valkyria Chronicles, various JRPGs (such as Trinity Universe, or Ar Tonelico III), Gran Turismo, MotorStorm, action games like God of War, and God of War Chronicles. Oh good lord, these are literally just off the top of my very distracted head. You honestly can't make the argument that "sony and microsoft releases nothing but shooters and action games." I mean, I'll let you have Microsoft there, but then that is just about the total focus of their Xbox business. But Sony? No, no way. Start over my friend, your argument doesn't fly.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:44:54 AM

I wouldn't call Zelda an RPG. Its more of an action adventure.

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marcusfrommo
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 9:35:19 AM
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mario 64 made tomb raider 1 look like resident evil 5, in terms of it being *hardcore." now, i consider the wii audience like an artist who only uses and buys art materials from wal-mart. not knowing or caring that there are literally art stores online and actual stores. there supplies aren't so much more of the same, but more of everything else they will probably never carry. you'd think there would be anti wii comercials out there saying "whether you prefer the xbox or ps3, why would you prefer a system who graphically looks slightly better than the ps2, probably has a better processor than the 1st xbox, and games nobody heard of with the the exception of 1st party exclusives. i'm referring to the people who aren't nintendo diehard fans. if not this year or in 2013, if they don't have a next gen console or make an announcement about one, i thk there screwed. as far as consoles are concerned. geez, remember when nintendo purposely made fewer consoles just so EVERYBODY can say they sold out, but r getting

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 4:51:49 PM

It's a little early to be drinking.

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marcusfrommo
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 9:58:22 AM
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more in soon, so the best thing you could do is call. i thought the wii was a talking robot that had feeling and a mind of it's own. now, i bet they didn't understock there games. they never run out of zelda, mario, or metroid. if they did, they would leave gamestop, and go right across the street to target, or wal-mart, or sears, or k-mart, or toy r us, etc., then they'll find the hard to find game. right now, i see lots of wiis on the shelves, but at a few places, i see a few. you hear tht nintendo, better shut down one of your plants. you don't want to get the word out that it's tired and outdated. maybe the kids who watch sesame street and are too young to talk may be your main focus. is wii short for what a parents says when he or she pushes their kids on a swing, or on a slide, or what they say when they trick their kids into eating foods they don't like and it eventually goes into there mouth? if wii's competitors advertised over and over all the stuff they can do over their competition of the wii

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 4:56:57 PM

Paragraphs are an option too :)

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marcusfrommo
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:06:56 AM
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highlander, i forgot. on the computer, what do you press to start another paragraph? i'm not defending nintendo. wht i'm saying is overall, aside from the sports games, and a few rpg games, shooters and action games are usually all they make. i'm aware of the few mario type of games tht are out for the ps3.

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:17:28 AM

LOL, Well depending on what you're using, and how your browser reacts, the Enter key (aka the Return key) generally will do it. I have seen some browsers configured so that hitting the enter key had the same effect as tab and moved to the next field (which would make it difficult to submit a post with paragraphs). If you're using a PC with Windows and Firefox or IE, it should simply be the enter key. (the oblong key right above the right side "Shift" key. If you're using a smartphone, tablet, console, or other non-standard device with a non-standard browser, I honestly don't know. On my Android, I have to be really careful when I post because if I hit what would normally be the Enter key (it's different on the touch screen keyboard), it can result in my message being posted instead.

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Alistair
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:08:36 AM
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hopefully we get mario, zelda, and pokemon

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NoSmokingBandit
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:15:16 AM
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Heres a thought. Lets say nintendo does drop out of the hardware race. Would they be willing to sell exclusive rights to their franchises? Would Sony want to buy the rights to Mario, LoZ, or Smash Bros? Or would nintendo go cross-plat and share the IPs?

I would think nintendo knows the value of a console-exclusive IP, and japanese companies tend to like other japanese companies, so there could be some kind of merger between Sony and Nintendo, which would cause Sony to destroy any competition next generation.

All of this is, of course, huge wild speculation.

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:18:14 AM

Nintendo is cash rich, so they could definitely buy their way into Sony - if they wanted to.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:43:48 AM

Since their so cash rich why can't they spend that making new and better hardware?

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:14:17 AM

Jawknee,

The CellBE in the PS3 took the combined R&D of IBM, Toshiba and Sony to realize. Unless I have missed something, there have been no sniffs of news about Nintendo partnering with anyone on that, and Nintendo is *not* a semi-conductor design firm.

Yes, Nintendo is cash rich, but who are their CPU and GPU design partners? Or are they going to do something that they really don't do, and use off-the-shelf components? Of the shelf components in a game console lead to a mediocre system that can't compete with the purpose designed ones.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:20:25 AM

IBM helped them with the Wii if I am remembering correctly. I told Ben i would buy him a beer if he is right about all this. Ill buy you one too. ;)

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NoSmokingBandit
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:26:19 AM

But a console doesnt have to be super powerful to sell, as anyone can see from the Wii and DS sales. Nintendo sold the wii based on the interface and now MS and Sony are trying to take that market away. Nintendo just has to keep pushing their controllers into new grounds. Anyone can come up with the idea of putting more powerful parts in a new box, but nintendo changed everything with the Wii. Its not about power, its about interacting in a different way.

Nintendo can just keep making a low power, low cost system and still sell tons. Super casual gamers dont want to spend $300 on a console then $100+ on controllers/cameras/etc after that. They'd be happy dropping $200 on a whole bundle, even if it is lower powered than the competition.

I can buy a Taurus SHO for $25k, but if someone doesnt care about power they can get the same efficiency in a $10k Kia. Theres no reason the video game industry can't function the same.

Also, i thought Nintedo was supposed to be dead after the GC? That didnt work out to well...

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:30:51 AM

@Jawknee - the Broadway CPU is made by IBM and is an IBM design.

@NoSmokingBandit

If Nintendo push out another sub-par console all they will be doing is (possibly) matching the kinds of capability in the PS3 and 360 at the same (or possibly a higher) price as the PS3 or 360. Without another gimmick to bring in new casual gamers, all they have is the nostalgia for their ancient gaming properties like Mario and Zelda. Simply shoveling out a new console to be a home for new shovel-ware is not a good business plan.

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NoSmokingBandit
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 12:18:17 PM

Ninty has been pushing new consoles for their old IPs since the NES and it seems to have worked for them. People buy a nintendo system for Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and pokemon. If they can sell consoles just for those games then why not? I bought my wii because i love those games, regardless of how powerful or what the input may be. In the end its all about games, and Ninty has the most popular franchises to exist, and that alone can sell hardware.

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 12:35:43 PM

What if they can sell a virtual console platform and continue selling their time honored games at an obscene profit without taking a chance on a new hardware platform?

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marcusfrommo
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:23:25 AM
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and i meant tht in a good way, about the 2 consoles. oh, do you have playstation plus? i was wondering if hulu was decent.

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Zorigo
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:27:49 AM
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Mario? i want pokemon damnit

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:33:07 AM
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I think the assumption that Nintendo is incapable of creating more powerful hardware is wrong and it's baseless. Nintendo never said they couldn't do it. Their goal was to make games fun and interactive. They were never going for the hardcore graphics.

People are reaching when they say Nintendo "Can't" develop hardware that can or will complete.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:54:20 AM

Jawknee, I hate to tell you this, but going around telling people that Nintendo will somehow create a console with the technical power of a PS4 or new Xbox is a bad idea.

You say there's no evidence that they won't, but in fact, everyone in the industry knows the evidence...they're simply not researching that possibility. They have never even bothered to start trying in that capacity. By now, industry insiders would've been whispering about Nintendo's research; about their dragging in of top-notch technological wizardry they never had before.

That's not happening. Nintendo has not really bothered with that angle of the industry since the N64 and they're not about to start again now. Furthermore, they just went and solidified themselves in catering to the widest demographic EVER (i.e., casual gamers or even non-gamers); why in GOD'S name would they try to go back and compete for a piece of the PlayStation/Xbox pie? They don't WANT those people; they don't NEED those people. If they did, they'd be desperately trying to create a technically competing console.

Instead, Sony and Microsoft are trying to do what Nintendo did by appealing to a wider demographic with Move and Kinect. They're emulating Nintendo; not the other way around. And Nintendo is not prepared - nor do they have the motivation - to emulate Sony and Microsoft. The idea that suddenly out of the blue a super-powerful monolith of technological superiority will emerge from Nintendo - with absolutely no insider, analyst or programmer in the industry expecting it - is absurd.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:02:08 AM

Companies adapt, Nintendo has done a great job of adapting. To assumed we know whats going on over at Nintendo is wrong. I can;t say for sure they are working on a console but no one can say they aren't. We just don't know. People can speculate but that's all it is. Now i trust you and how you run your site so maybe you know something most of us don't but i just don't see the evidence that Nintendo can't or won't be able to make better consoles. They have surprised us before, surely they can do it again.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:09:07 AM

I think you missed the point of the post. It's not about whether or not they CAN, it's about whether or not that's even a legitimate business possibility.

You have to realize that Nintendo is catering to an entirely different audience these days. A very different (albeit not entirely separate) audience goes for the PS3/360; it's why all three companies freely admit they're not necessarily in competition with each other if Nintendo is included in the picture. Nintendo is selling a very different product that people are buying for very different reasons.

They would somehow have to convince legions of hardcore gamers that haven't turned to Nintendo for "cutting-edge" in 20 years (by the time the new generation is here) that their new console is better than Sony's or Microsoft's. They would have to RE-gather those fans and essentially almost start from scratch.

Bottom line: it would cost a TON of money with no guarantee in sight. Sony is just NOW starting to turn a profit on the PS3, but they were in a VERY different position coming into this generation and they're selling a VERY different product to a different group of consumers. So is Microsoft. Nintendo jumping into that fray is just plain stupid from a business standpoint.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:14:43 AM

That makes sense. This will be interesting to see how this all unfolds when the next console generation comes around.

I'll remember this and if you're right and we see Zelda and Mario come to other platforms I'll buy you a beer. ;)

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MyWorstNightmar
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:17:14 AM

I think what might be impossible is explaining to their shareholders that they can't compete in the console arena, and that they are bowing out, downsizing, and going strictly software.

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:18:46 AM

To add to Ben's point about Sony. Sony is large and diverse enough that it was able to swallow the massive R&D spend and subsequent hardware losses because it knows that long term, it's good for the health of Sony to be in the PS3 business. Nintendo has nothing to fall back on while absorbing the R&D costs and initial loss on hardware. just because they managed the smoke and mirrors with the Wii to make money off the hardware doesn't mean they can do it again. Considering how mu8ch of an upgrade they need, that's just not going to happen. the wii was almost an interim upgrade to the GC to facilitate the new paradigm of motion based control. It was never meant to be the 'next generation' so the hardware R&D spend was limited. Now the investment required to update Nintendo to the current technology is huge compared to what they spent on the Wii. Their pile of cash might pay for the development, but I don't think it will help them avoid the initial losses on hardware sales that the console market traditionally endures.

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Casual Friday
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:16:16 AM
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I highly doubt it the Wii is Nintendo's home console 'swan song'.

1) Nintendo announced last year that they are buildling a 142 million dollar R&D facility devoted to 'creating new game consoles' as well as software.

2) From what I've read Sega quit because of massive losses and hege debt. Using the Sega analogy would seem better if you were talking about Sony or Microsoft quitting, not Nintendo.

3) a quick google search can find many quotes from Nintendo execs about what may be in their next home console. Iwata himself said that you can be sure that their next console will have HD graphics however he stressed that it won't simply be a Wii HD.

4) You asked "What can Nintendo do next". Based on their history, the answer is probably something the rest of us haven't even thought of yet. That's what makes them Nintendo.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:23:57 AM

I agree, we are underestimating Nintendo.

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MyWorstNightmar
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:26:06 AM

Jawknee, rephrase your statement! "We"? You and I would be trapped inside that umbrella statment. How about, SOME are underestimating Nintendo... =p

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:27:16 AM

1) Sony spent more than that per year developing the cell BE processor with IBM and Toshiba.

2)Dreamcast failed due to PS@ and DVD taking off. Dreamcast used older disc technology and couldn't match PS2, though it was initially successful, Dreamcast collapsed, taking Sega with it. Sound familiar?

3)You can find a lot of talk but no substance, and nothing about design or hardware manufacturing partners. Nintendo is not a semi-conductor design firm, and they are not set up to be one. It takes billions of dollars to do that. Ask Sony, Toshiba, IBM, Intel, AMD and others...

4) Motion controls had been thought of before, both camera and controllers with accelerometers and pitch/yaw sensors. Nintendo's "innovation" was to base their entire console's concept around Motion control as a key concept in attracting casual gamers. What new magical thing can they do to attract more casual gamers than they already have?

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:28:07 AM

LOL myworst i was attempting to be "balanced and objective."

But you're right, your phrasing is better. =P


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TEG3SH
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 12:02:56 PM
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it's imposible, it's like playing crash on other platforms.... say what now??? ops

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 2:38:02 PM

Crash Bandicoot was never owned by Sony, it was owned by Universal, so it was only bound to the PS1 because that's what NG developed it on. It appeared on both Xbox and PS2 in a later version of the game - NOT developed by Naughty Dog.

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TEG3SH
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 3:00:29 PM

I know that it was owned by universal and was developed by ND, then Universal gave it to sierra, I now believe sarcasm never shows on a post :(

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 5:02:05 PM

Sarcasm shows, I just missed it.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 5:02:33 PM

Forgot your sarcasm tags friend.

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TEG3SH
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 5:41:56 PM

@ highlander

No worries pal. I guess it was my bad as World said forgot the tags

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Casual Friday
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 12:08:08 PM
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@ highlander

That was 142 million just for the new facility in which they will spend huge more sums of money doing the development for their future consoles.

While talk of the next console may be conjecture, I would argue that this new facility points directly to Nintendo's future plans.

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 12:15:36 PM

I'll say it again. Nintendo is not, and never has been a semi-conductor design firm. they don't have that capability, and a $142 million facility is not going to magically grant them that capability.

There has been zero rumor or discussion of Nintendo partnering with anyone on the design of the CPU/GPU for a new console. That's unusual because last gen all three console's hardware partners were well known before launch, and the basic CPUs were talked about 2+ years ahead of launch. I've seen and heard nothing about a new Nintendo chip.

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Scarecrow
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:23:14 PM

@Highlander,

Nintendo has always been secretive 'bout their information.

Why would they be talking 'bout their CPU/GPU now? That'll just make it seem like they'll release a Wii2 the following year or something. It's bad for business for them to even hint at new CPU/GPU chips.

It's fine for Sony and Microsoft since we know that their next consoles will will be ps4 and whatever Microsoft releases next.

They got IBM to their CPU for Gamecube last time if I'm right.

Why can't they do that again? and pop in a good GPU?

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kraygen
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:24:09 PM

Also if you're claiming that they have built some facility specifically designed to bring about a new console, give us a link so we can read it.

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:48:40 PM

@Scarecrow. IBM did the Broadway CPU in the GameCube, and then they upped the clock speed on it for the Wii. There was minimal hardware change going fro Wii to Gamecube, it almost literally was a case of souping up the existing hardware. That's not something they can do again. Far more processing power is required. There has been little to no industry talk of Nintendo partnering on silicon design, or commissioning silicon from anyone.

Of course they can go back to IBM again, but as I have said, and as anyone in the industry can tell you, commissioning a new CPU or even re-purposing an existing one can cost billions. It's not something that happens in silence either. Same thing goes for GPUs. Not only that but it takes a lot of time. cell was in development for years, and was so state of the art that it took more than a year for the manufacturing capability to meet the actual needs of making the Cell BE. Once again, no news, no rumors, no whispers of anything. Nintendo may be really good at keeping secrets. but they'd have to be partnering with no one on anything custom for no news to get out.

If I had to speculate on what they *might* do without commissioning something big and custom from IBM, I'd look at the ARM Cortex A9 multi-core ARM processors. Nintendo has a lot of experience with ARM, and these new multi-core processor designs bring lots of bang for the buck. Considering that Nintendo uses ARM designs in their handheld, I could see them going that way in order to keep costs down. TSMC (Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company) recently entered an agreement with ARM to make the Cortex processors. Nintendo *could* be involved, but I haven't read anything to suggest that. Nvidia has manufacturing links with TSMC too, so they could provide a generic GPU core without too much hoopla.

The thing is that even if Nintendo were lining up an ARM based design with a generic Nvidia GPU, all that is doing is assembling off-the-shelf components. It will produce a competent unit, but nothing to beat a specialized design like the PS3. In fact you'd be talking about a current design that could not out perform a 5 year old one. That's pretty poor really. However, it would give them a console to release that could do HD, and which built on their exiting DS skills. And if we know nothing else about Nintendo, we do at least know they have a monster commitment to the DS line of hardware and the ARM architecture.

Oh, all that conjecture sounds frighteningly possible you know.

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Ergi
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 12:11:27 PM
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It's probably not a good idea for Nintendo to start competing with Sony and Microsoft from a technical point of view. But the fact is that Nintendo doesn't have to, they should just find a way to keep their fanbase. HD graphics just aren't necessary for Nintendo. I would expect them to just keep catering to the same people, i'm betting the consoles of the next generation will relate to eachother as they did this generation.

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Fane1024
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:28:30 PM

But, as Highlander has said, what is the impetus for those fans to buy a new system?

The Wii does what they want it to do.

The fact that those consumers were happy with an underpowered system suggests that they will see no need to upgrade to a more powerful system.

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Scarecrow
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:10:20 PM
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I don't get it, why is everyone saying that Nintendo can't compete in the future hardware wise?

Didn't Gamecube look just as good as the ps2/xbox?

In fact, there were games which looked better on the Gamecube than on ps2....

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The other thing I don't get is the notion that they have to release another console this gen?

I mean seriously they DO NOT need to release another console this gen.

I'll break it down:

2010: Super Mario Galaxy 2 (GOTY), Metroid other M

2011: They're set to release a truck load of amazing games: Kirby, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Skyward Sword, and 3DS

2012: Repeat the same feat with great exclusives

2013: This might be their down year, but this is when the next-generation of consoles will start to take over.

2014: They release a ps4-equivalent console

Not that hard

One also needs to take into account how important 3DS will be in pushing their next console. It'll be THE console to get if you love your 3DS. This with the fact that Nintendo's got some of the best franchises in v-games history and some of the most unique games as well, it's a no brainer.

The ONLY reasonn why Xbox is still around is because Nintendo and Sony came in a little late without a clear direction. ps3 with its high price point and Nintendo with a last gen console.

But this time around Nintendo and Sony are set up to smash Microsoft down to the ground.

PS: Nintendo owns a baseball stadium, their handhelds and games sell like crazy (and they're still selling like crazy). I really don't see how they can be forced to go multiplat.

It' s cool to think about HD graphics Nintendo games on the ps3 but just us being selfish. Nintendo will go HD next gen, they're fine.

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kraygen
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:25:45 PM

Actually the article discussed them releasing a console for the next generation as I understand it.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 5:06:39 PM

To keep up they will have to release something at some point in the future and there is no precedent for them re-entering the hardcore console wars.

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kraygen
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:35:00 PM
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Been reading all of this and here's what I've come up with so far.

Nintendo making a new console to compete with the next generation of consoles would have to be a huge jump in tech. Essentially going from Snes to gamecube type of a leap. They would have to do this or come up with something no one else has thought of, that will still sell consoles.

If they do decide to join the next gen of consoles, they will have to spend billions of dollars in R&D. Do they have the money to do that, almost positive they do.

One problem I'm seeing for nintendo and m$ is what disc will they be putting their consoles on? Blu ray rules supreme and their is nothing that can match it.

Here's what I'm thinking. I can see Ben's point because altho nintendo could spend the money to develop a new console, it would make more sense financially to instead become a developer, selling their games on another console. They would save billions in R&D and could focus on making great games that we all know would sell incredibly well, regardless of what system they put it on.

On the other hand it is Nintendo, so I could still see them developing a console, maybe they haven't started the development yet, but have been planning out what they want.

If that is the case I could actually see nintendo doing a completely download system that only has a disc drive to play previous iterations. I say this because nintendo's power house franchise's don't require anything graphic intensive, they never have and it would look weird if they tried. Who wants to see a realistic Mario or Pokemon game?

I could really see this going either way at this point but from a financial position, right now nintendo would be primed to become a developer only, sit back and rake in the cash, and perhaps later on develop a new console, a few generations later, when it is better suited for them.

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:52:48 PM

what if they take a third route and build a virtual console of their own that they copyright. Something that is capable of HD graphics, but is essentially about as powerful as a Wii. that could be sold on PCs, Xbox 360 and PS3. Nintendo could still sell Nintendo games, third party devs could still build Nintendo games because the console would still exist, in virtual form.

If Nintendo wanted to they could even build a generic hardware platform of their own with a modest R&D spend, as I outlines above with the ARM Cortex multi-core processor. that way they'd even have their own hardware platform to run the virtual console on.

This makes even more sense to me than simply releasing a mediocre 'next gen' hardware platform.

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kraygen
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 4:43:36 PM

yeah, highlander that makes sense too. I really don't think they would go and release a mediocre console, I think if they were to do it, they would either have a new gimmick or they would go all out, but I think in the end that wouldn't be cost effective.

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maxpontiac
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:39:15 PM
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I don't see Nintendo going anywhere. Heck, I don't see the Wii slowing down much once Move and Kinect comes out at all.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 2:25:03 PM
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For the record, you guys should be able to spot trolls when you see them. Anybody who signs up for the express purpose of calling us all idiots won't stay long, and neither will their posts. You know that.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 7:39:41 PM

Spotted one! lol @ Pushtrak

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 8:45:44 PM

See? Smart people learn. Stupid people...will always be stupid.

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AirplanePeanuts
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 2:40:25 PM
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Not saying this is impossible, but I kind of figure we should wait to see if Kinect/Move sink or swim before hinting at a future like this. Seeing non gamers with the Wii, I get the impression Nintendo's strategy worked because the platform is so accessible. Both these new technologies are peripheral add ons for much more robust machines and I think that could mean a barrier to entry for the kinds of customers Nintendo has already snatched up.

That, and I think it might be too early to predict Nintendo's demise when they're rolling off their most successful home platform ever (at least commercially). Before Sega failed they had hemorrhaged money from Sega CD, 32X, Saturn AND Dreamcast. On the flip side Nintendo has at least stayed afloat with their last two systems, and of course their portable market always prints money. They're absurdly profitable.

Of course, I would LOVE to see Nintendo's games comes to other platforms. I really want to like these newer Zelda games, but I find myself marveling at how much that franchise in particular would benefit from the PS3's muscle.

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Gone
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 3:09:02 PM
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Mario seems to be the only mascot left. What ever happened to Crash Bandicoot?

I guess I am Sony's mascot.

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 3:23:43 PM

Ratchet!

Sackboy!

:D

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Gone
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 4:22:08 PM

I can't believe I forgot about those two. I forgot about them because I have never owned any of those games. d(^_^)b

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 5:00:53 PM

HA!

And you call yourself Kevin Butler!? I demand that you give that name back, immediately!

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TEG3SH
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 5:43:30 PM

with Highlander on this one. I guess he was just jerry back then ;)

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AcHiLLiA
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 3:13:07 PM
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Nintendo is the heart and soul in the game industry. I'm going cry if they leave, fingers cross that they don't. Nintendo really has been great to the younger audience and most of us teens and adults. It will still be good to bring their franchise to the PS, if they do, they will probably start out in the PS store.

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Casual Friday
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 3:26:50 PM
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I don't think that Nintendo would like to be limited by someone else's hardware. I don't mean raw horsepower or video resolution, but by gameplay mechanic and user interface.

Just running through the games I have for Wii and am having a hard time finding ones that could run on the PS3 or 360 without major changes to the intended control scheme.

Galaxy 1 & 2, NSMB Wii, Wii Sports & Resort, Mario Kart, Wii Fit + (for the wife), Link's Training, etc. In addition, I have some thrid party games that also make great use of the controls that up to now have only been available on the Wii. DeBlob, Medal of Honor Heroes 2, Star Wars Complete Saga, World of Goo, Tiger Woods 10 & others.

My Wii & PS3 compliment each other quite nicely, as did my PS2 and GameCube, and just as I expect my Wii2 & PS4 to do.

I also wonder how readily Sony would be willing to share early development kits & inside information about their upcoming hardware with Nintendo.

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 3:55:25 PM

That's the point of a virtual console. The thing would work with official controllers that plug into the USB ports, so that you aren't limited. All the 'host' console provides is a basic computer platform for the virtual console to run on.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 4:39:51 PM
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Novelty wears off. Always.

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MyWorstNightmar
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 6:10:09 PM

So do drugs.

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MyWorstNightmar
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 6:20:36 PM

Also, the "novelty" is leading the sales charts in both systems sold and games sold for 2010. The Wii had a HUUUUUGE dry spell in games for what seemed a good year to year and a half. Not sure when the novelty will wear out, but I wouldn't bet on it any time soon, now that they have some promising gems lined up. I'll put a link to the video game info below for the first half of the year.

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MyWorstNightmar
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 6:21:05 PM

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/29518/FirstHalf_2010_Results_Nintendo_Dominates_Top_US_Retail_Games.php

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MyWorstNightmar
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 6:35:23 PM

World, earlier you said..."The difference is we are talking about non-gamers here. If someone who never gamed before got sucked into the Wii gimmick and then let it collect dust they are unlikely to get another system. You see what I mean? These aren't HC gamers, this is the retirement home folks and delusional parents, aunts, grandparents, community centers, fat people whose Wii Fit didn't help them."

Is it all grannies, retirement folk, aunties and fat people pushing the Wii games through the roof so far this year? Or is it HC gamers that wipe the dust off their machines every now and then? I know Jawk and I aren't the only ones buying all those millions of copies of games, and grannies can't afford them in this economy.

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 7:13:05 PM

I have a wii, I dont get into the whole hardcore gamer thing, but mine never gets dusted off, or played. In fact its for sale if anyone wants it! It is with no doubt the biggest waste of money I've spent. I dont hate the system, I just hate that I never play it because I have no reason too.

It was fun for awhile Ill be honest. But thats just it its only fun for awhile. Sure games like Zelda, Mario, and Metriod are great, but thats all that is going for that system and honestly I've said it before, and I will again. Would I rather buy GOW3 or Super Mario Galaxy2. Really there is no question. If you say otherwise your in denial. ;)

Here's something interesting. In the office where I work, I had a discussion with 6 people. All 6 gave up on the wii. Same things were said, Its fun for awhile but there is no lasting appeal. Now I realize its only 6 people but its 6 people in ONE office, with the same opinion!

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MyWorstNightmar
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 8:07:36 PM

BigRailer, SMG2 release May 23rd. Has sold 3.06 million. God of War III released March 16th, more than two month lead on Super Mario Galaxy 2, and it has sold 2.76 million.

I have both games. I have yet to play GOWIII primarily because I want to play GOWI and II first, but SMG2 is more my style of game. You are making wild assumptions to say I am in denial.

I do not know your co-workers, I don't know what they like to do in their spare time, I don't know if they are true gamers, so it would be wrong to come to any conclusion based on that sample size not knowing a lot of variables.

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 8:31:03 PM

First let me touch on the GOW3 and Super Mario thing. If you didn't notice there is a little smiley winking right at your face. Calling anyone in denial was just a joke.

And personally sales dont make a game better than the other. We've learned that with MW2. I don't giev into sales. But my main point with that was that I dont have the money to buy both games. And if there is a PS3 game I want and a wii game I want, I will buy the PS3 game, regardless what game it is!

And the guys at my work are a mixed batch of both casual and more than casual as myself. They play enough to voice an opinion, like any one of use do here.

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MyWorstNightmar
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 9:07:45 PM

BigRailer, I agree with you in terms of sales not determining quality. (Demon's Soul's for example/which still kicks my butt). My only purpose for bringing it up, is the fact that while sales doesn't necessarily reflect quality, it does reflect popularity, overall exceptance, appreciation, pick whatever adjective you prefer, for a particular title. SMG2 is all those things IMO.

As for the money aspect, yes, we are not all made of money, and we have to make our purchases wisely these days. Fortunately for all the millions that buy GOWIII and SMG2, they are being rewarded for their purchase with amazing quality and fun.

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marcusfrommo
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 7:01:04 PM
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hey, can someone please tell me why xbox isn't as popular as the wii when you take the ps3 out of the equation in japan? do they hate completely hate the xbox?

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 9:44:26 PM

Japan is the home market of Sony and Nintendo. Microsoft is the upstart outsider from the west trying to break into the Japanese market.

What's funny is that more than half of all Xbox360s sold in Japan are sold to westerners living in Japan. Imagine how that affects the *real* sales numbers of 360 in the Japanese market.

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Deleted User
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 7:50:58 PM
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Nintendo are consummate inventors. They threw a curveball with the Wii and the DS. Both were said to end up failures. Wow, people were wrong.

The 3DS trumped the Sony E3 conference where both trounced Microsoft. Do I think Nintendo can come up with more inventive things? Why, yes. Their ability to do things without my predicting them isn't a negative on Nintendo, it is them doing things people prior to that didn't expect.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 7:56:48 PM

Yes, but what are they going to innovate beyond what the Move is capable of, for example. And what sort of technology could they POSSIBLY use to step it up? Perhaps they find a way of being accessible on both next gen systems (PS4 next XBOX gen, I mean) in a way that is run by an engine entirely of their own making! That is the point of the article. How could they possibly compete with the next generation without the research facilities the competition has readily available.

Look, we all expect them to be innovative, but Ben is speculating that it won't be in the form of a next gen console. There is nothing idiotic about that.

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MyWorstNightmar
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 8:22:27 PM

Underdog, how about 720 or 1080 HD visuals, a hard drive, more accurate Wiimote, more robust online gaming. There is so much room for improvement for the next console, why in the world wouldn't they make a new one. They sold so many Wii's that don't have anything that I mentioned, I bet if they add what I said, they might sell 1 or 2 units.

Underdog, don't you think Nintendo has competent research teams?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 8:41:24 PM

Yeah, good comparisons there between PS1 and N64 and the way things are now. That's just...genius.

You can go away again.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 9:15:50 PM

Oh, Worst Nightmare, I entirely agree that they could make a new console. I think Ben and everyone here thinks they could.

And of course they have research teams, but they have nothing. NOTHING on the other companies. They have no CPU or GPU research partners. If they do, they're companies we've never heard of. I believe that if they do come out with a new system, it will not be an improvement on what we already have this gen from PS3 and 360.

In terms of robust online gaming, they could do that, sure, but it doesn't match up to their attempted demographic. The thing is, I don't think they will even attempt to battle MS or Sony's technological leaps and bounds. It doesn't make sense for them. It's a different market they have no hold on.

HD is not something they will likely advertise much, because HD is very much old news. PS2 had 720p, and 360 and PS3 have full def this gen. PS3 even has 3D already.

They can improve their system to a Wii2, perhaps, but with Kinect and Move out already, there's nothing they can offer that is extra. If they make a new system, it will not be labeled a next Gen system, and it won't stack up against the competition. It might do well on name brand recognition only, but I seriously doubt it'll stack up.

That's the whole point of this article. Has Nintendo backed themselves into a corner? Yeah, they were able to sell a cheaper console this gen, and they had some ingenuity. BUT, there's been a good number of years MS and SONY have had to improve on their technology. And now, from a technological standpoint, there is simply no chance Nintendo can catch up. None. They have research teams. One at the cost of something like 140 something million, I think. (could be wrong, but not off by much) But they do NOT have nearly the same research the other two have at their disposal.

So, the editorial question asks... can they make a next gen console? Would it be wiser to feed off of the competition's capabilities? It would make sense for them to have a contractual agreement that keeps them fully in control of their titles.

And a more accurate wiimote? Like the Move? With what technology? Like I said, they have researchers, but not like that of Sony or Microsoft. And as the article and posters here have suggested, it makes little business sense for them to throw too much money to break into the core gamer market of next gen.

Let's face it... It's a good discussion. Of course Nintendo won't die... But to what extent? They're already beginning to slip. Afterall... Sega didn't die... They merely adjusted.

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MyWorstNightmar
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 9:44:47 PM

Underdog, I would sure think they WOULD advertise HD, why not? 360 and PS3 advertise it. They don't think it is old hat, they tout it.

Shigeru Miyamoto has been talking up the fact that they are developing their next console. It will have HD, and he says, perhaps 3d. So, I don't know, only the future has the true answers.

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Underdog15
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 9:52:47 AM

But that's my point. Next gen, people will expect HD as a minimum standard. I'm saying it won't be a main selling point to advertise HD. At least it shouldn't. At most it will be "oh, well at least it's HD, finally." from fans.

What I'm curious about, is how much ingenuity can they sport in comparison to the technological leaps and bounds the other two systems have made. They certainly won't be able to sell on the concept of the wii-mote alone as they did this past Gen.

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Underdog15
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 3:47:44 PM

Good points, by the way, Worst Nightmare. My point of view has changed a little bit to combine some of my own thoughts with yours.

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MyWorstNightmar
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 4:14:00 PM

I wonder if they are purposely keeping quiet over there with what their next plans are. Sure they might be just milking the Wii to death, since it is selling so well, but that doesn't seem to be their M.O. Look at how they keep pushing the DS forward with bigger screens, touch screens, and now 3D even though, it they would have kept it "as is" it still would have continued to sell well. I ask this because I don't know... did everybody know the 3DS was in production/development? I sure didn't, it caught me by surprise. Course, I don't keep up with Nintendo's equipment roadmap as much as I do Sony's.

Ben and Highlanders, and your points for that matter are well taken from me, that to get such high powered processors, motherboards, they would have to be partnered with a company that does such things, and that doesn't seem to be happening. Since I have no inside dealings, or flies on the wall at Nintendo, I can only go by faith that they will come up with something. Since I hear them talk about a new console, and have never heard them say perhaps we won't come out with a new console, I can only assume they will. Now, what will that thing look like and do, that is what excites me. Do I want to see Mario and Link in 1080 HD? You bet. Honestly, I don't need it for anything other than the staple franchises. I have the PS3 for expansive games, or shooters that are not on rails.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 8:42:16 PM
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Sorry to all those who responded to Pushtrak's idiocy; just another recurring troll who never learns.

But you all will. These idiots get banned and then sign up again using the same name as if we have no memories. ...if you're that stupid, you have nothing to add to an intelligent discussion.

Sure is hard work keeping a Comment section from turning into a hostile mentally challenged hellhole. ...oh wait, no it's not. Just hit "delete."

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
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And by the way, the PSXE community is capable of handling this type of article with normal, civil discussion and feedback.

But I want to remind everyone that the only way this works is if we kick the trolls out the instant they arrive to cause problems. If we WANTED our comments to look like IGN's, we could do that. But do you...?

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 9:09:47 PM

Of course not. That's why i spend most of my time commenting here. :)

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Underdog15
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 9:16:42 PM

lol ya, this is the only gaming site I comment on. It's probably the only site that hates on people who shout out "First!". *dies*

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Natalisrubbish
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 9:25:39 PM

Aw that's so cute, naturally jawk comments.

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 9:42:04 PM

All people need to do is click the little report icon on one of the offender's posts and Ben and the team are notified. No need to reply, no need to confront, no need to flame, just report, and move along. The problem will be removed in due course.

@Natalisrubbish

Yes, so is Kinect. A pity that Natal doesn't exist any more.... ;)

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 9:45:55 PM

Actually, they usually don't even have to report, unless it's not obvious to us (like a personal argument or problem).

But yes, always let us know if you think we have losers in our midst.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:06:27 PM

I found one. The second comment above yours Ben.

::grins widely::

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Natalisrubbish
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:33:32 PM

@highlander
how creative and witty of you to point that out, seeing as this account was made in 2009 as I recall. Can't wait for your next diatribe of what you think and feel taking up half the commenting section, champ.
@Jawk
Haha explaining a virtual grin, haven't you any mmorpgs or 25 year old nintendo rehash games to drool over? Perhaps another forum to patrol and debate about nintendo while pretending to be a slightly right centerist? I thought so. ::Grins a trollish grin:: (-;

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:45:07 PM

Oh the irony.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:46:16 PM

Natalisrubbish: Drop the attitude.

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Natalisrubbish
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:49:52 PM

@jawk
damn, I was almost hoping I could bait you, nice work on that evasion, perhaps another time. (-:

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:54:47 PM

Dear NatalIsRubbish,

Well, I guess that's me told then eh? Got any more pithy observations to make, or is that your lot for the week?

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Natalisrubbish
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:59:34 PM

Dear highlander:
chill out man, it's okay. I actually do value most of what you've to say, in fact, were generally on the same page of video games.

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Underdog15
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 9:56:33 AM

uh... Natalisrubbish....

Highlander literally won an award for his contributions to the comments sections... like... this site sent him a cd soundtrack in the mail because his posts actually have substance and are appreciated by the community.

I bet you've been going around talking about how the Chicago Blackhawks suck too... even though they won an award for what you claim they suck at. (A big award!!)

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Natalisrubbish
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 11:28:07 AM

@underdog

Considering I don't watch hockey, yeah what ever you say. As for highlander, did you not note what I said to him previously, I don't have a problem with him, he was just trying to get a little smart there previously. Jawknee is the one I usually take issue with, stay out of it.

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Underdog15
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 1:27:23 PM

Jawk didn't say anything wrong before you barged in guns ablazing. You were just looking for a fight. And for having no issue with highlander, you sure were insulting. Was that follow up supposed to be some kind of apology? Highlander said nothing wrong either! He was merely having fun with your name (which you can change in the USER CP, by the way).

And you can't tell me to stay out of it if you're going to flame someone in a public forum.

And whether you play hockey or not does not make my point any more or less potent. You tell me what sport you DO play, and I could make an equally as relevant comparison.

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GuernicaReborn
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 9:51:00 PM
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I honestly have no idea what to think about this. I mean, it can go either way.

On one hand, I think that if Nintendo released a Wii2 with HD graphics next gen(Nothing amazing, maybe 3/4 the power of the PS3), people will buy it based on name alone. Almost like the iPhone.

Although it's easy to see people look at a Wii2 and say, "I already have a Wii that doesn't get much use, why would I need that?" Then the Wii2 would bomb, and Nintendo would go the Sega route.

Ben's comments about nothing coming from the Nintendo camp regarding hardware make me lean slightly more to the second scenario, but only time will tell.

If they did only have handhelds to put their games on, though, that wouldn't really be a bad thing for them. How many DS's have been sold since they released? A few hundred million?

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:23:09 PM

DS? It's not yet broken 200 million.

In fact, I'm not sure if it's even caught the PS2 yet, has it? I found an Eurogamer article from May 2010 that claimed 129 million DS units sold. So it'd have to have sold about 14 million units or more since May to catch the PS2.

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dveisalive
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 9:03:17 AM
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Ds will eventually pass the PS2 with the 3Ds, but Nintendo started this stuff they are the pioneers, plus they are not Sega. To be honest Thank Nintendo for the birth of Sony etc... Nintendo stays at heart for giving there best franchises, plus Mario would never ever in our lifetimes be on a Sony console, for every Mario game that came out was something new or defined a generation from 2d to 3d.

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Highlander
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 9:46:43 AM

Truly and honestly, I'm not sure that you can fairly call the 3DS a DS. I has completely different (and way more powerful) hardware compared to the original DS.

I actually think that the PS2 will remain the best selling video game device through this current generation. Although the PS2 did get smaller over time, and it's hardware shrank, it wasn't augmented. The 3DS has different screens and different processors to the original DS to allow it to process 3D images.

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Underdog15
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 9:59:54 AM

Ya, that's like saying the PS1 has sold the most because of PS2 and 3 sales. It's a completely different system. Just because it has the letters "DS" means nothing. Afterall, PS is in all four of sony's systems.

Also, should Nintendo not thank Atari maybe?

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MyWorstNightmar
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 12:34:03 PM

I don't know the answer to this. Does the 3ds play all the same games the DS does? And not in a backwards compatible way, but will all DS games moving forward be playable on both systems? If so, than in that way, I think they can be concidered under the same umbrella, just as the PS3 20G, 40G, 80G, 120G, 160G, 250G systems that all seem to have different hardware tweaks, whether they be hard drives, usb ports, different cases, etc. They still all play the same discs.

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Lanmanna
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 11:26:15 AM
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I don't usually comment, but WOW. Most of the editorials on here read like something out of a Playstation fanboy's diary or something! And don't get me started on the fanboyish comments. This place has great news 3/4 the time, but that other 1/4 makes me lose brain cells...

I don't see Nintendo bowing out of the console business anytime soon. Even though there are only about 30 Wii games I like, Nintendo's games more than make up for the lack of games. I find it funny that MS and Sony are chasing a nonexistent group of people who want more motion control. Nintendo is already moving on to new stuff(3D without glasses). Can't wait to see what they make on the next home console that MS and Sony will want to copy.

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Natalisrubbish
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 11:29:07 AM

HAHA, too true, but wait for B. Dutka to get angry and remove our comments/accounts and lecture.

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MyWorstNightmar
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 12:40:13 PM

Lanmanna, your comments would have been more welcomed if they didn't start with bashing the commentors on this site.

With this site, you can take it or leave it, but there is no viable reason to diss it.

There could be a reality where this site doesn't exist, but what fun would that be? There are also other topics on this website that have a more technical nature, regarding actual games, but they don't generate near as many comments.

This was a perfect topic for discussion, and no matter which side of the fence your opinion lies, it could have been your chance to lay out your case, rather than insulting others who have done the same.

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Underdog15
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 1:18:39 PM

With what technological research facilities are Wii going to develop non-glasses 3D? What television division do they own that we don't know about?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 2:26:02 PM

The stupidest thing on the planet is to say anything about this article is fanboy-related. Did I say Mario would only be on PlayStation? Did I go out of my way to say how much I respected Nintendo? Did I even imply I wanted Nintendo to die or I hated the company?

Answer those questions truthfully, and then come back when you can produce a comment that might actually have something civil and worthwhile in it.

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Underdog15
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 3:31:15 PM

Natal, you're just a mean-spirited person. It's a shame that attempting to ostracize another individual is your only means of developing self-worth.

And seriously... @ Lanmana as well, there is nothing fan-baity about this at all. Ben has on countless occasions commented on how he likes playing his Wii. He owns a 360 as well. He didn't say he wants Nintendo to die, and he didn't say Mario was coming to Sony only.

Honestly folks, it's like you're looking at the article and picking out the parts you want it to say and treating fractions of the article as if it were the whole.

It's like your mother ordered you a delicious pizza. She likes pineapple, so she put a little pineapple on half the pizza. She was fair to you, so she left half without. But all you can say to her is, "I can't believe you would order an entire pineapple for supper. I want pizza!" Well, dumb-dumb, there is pizza, and it's right in front of you.

You see... Ben is your mother, and he got a pizza in the form of an entertaining article. He likes the idea of mario coming to other systems (a little pineapple), but realizes there is much more to the argument than just about the pineapple. However, instead of looking into the other points made or noticing the respect for Nintendo and even acknowledging the fact that if it happened, PS wouldn't be the only one getting it, you saw the only part your mind filtered out of the article. Mario being on another system, which has somehow to you been translated as Nintendo's death. (Never said once!!)

So, I suggest taking that pineapple out of where the sun does not shine, and acknowledge that there's more to the pizza than pineapple. There's crust, and meat, and sauce, and cheese, and whatever else you like.

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MyWorstNightmar
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 3:43:05 PM

Underdog, slight correct, Ben doesn't have a Wii...yet. =) He has been wanting to play Super Mario Galaxy 2, and has been trying to figure out how to do so. Borrowing his brothers system, or buying one were the options. I don't believe he has done either yet.

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Underdog15
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 3:49:31 PM

ah, i see! lol At least he's open to Wii games, though!

By the way, I posted a little thing on one of our discussions a little higher up. My opinion about this has combined a bit of my and your original thoughts. Thanks for that! ^.^

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MyWorstNightmar
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 4:02:50 PM

I'll look for it... ;)

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triclops41
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 2:35:06 PM
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this article is right on . . .
except for the fact that nintendo has dominated every console generation it has been in except for 2, where it came in 2nd or tied for second.

only children who thought gaming began with the playstation would think this article has merit. and the playsation was co-developed between sony and nintendo! it was supposed to be a nintendo console!

nintendo will be making consoles long after microsoft and sony leave.

and i guess the wii 2 will fail because, all of the sudden, accessibility and affordability in gaming will no longer matter?

wow. just wow.

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Underdog15
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 3:38:21 PM

Read the effing article. It is not about the Wii failing, nor does it suggest the Wii will suddenly fail. It merely speculates about what Nintendo's next move could possibly be in the next generation. They certainly won't be making any technological strides forward beyond what's already been done by themselves or others, and the wii-mote won't be a new selling point.

I personally think, after reading some of the more CONSTRUCTIVE comments contradictory to the article (Worst Nightmare has some good ideas), they'll just make an HD compatible version of the Wii and sell on name-brand recognition. I don't think they'll do anything special, but I don't think they need to.

Still though, it's a viable question, because we all know Nintendo won't do anything that hasn't already been done. At least not anything we know about or could speculate about.

Also, gaming didn't begin with Nintendo, either.

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Lordnicon
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 5:44:10 PM
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To a small degree I worry about the quality of the psxextreme community when people get thumbed down for making positive remarks about another console without bashing another (specifically our beloved playstations).

I personally dont have a wii. It pulls a lot of sales from gimmicks but from growing experience it continues to bring me positive experiences despite my initial hatred? of the system.

In the wake of these upcoming technologies, I dont think the wii will inherently face a complete downturn. With its current installation base it was bound to hit a slump. Who is to say that wii owners arent simply buying other systems now for quality on both ends of the spectrum?

I cant claim to be the most educated on everything move or kinect related but i wonder how much extra do the move and kinect bring to the table. Kinect, having such decent publicity and hyping the possibilities of non controller gaming, commands a good deal of attention. However, I dont think that nintendo will have to bail out of the hardware business. Hardware has never been their downfall (with perhaps some issues regarding their controller designs).

Being able to play nintendo's great games on another system if i did not already have theirs would be CRAZY! Just the thought of their killer apps on ps3 makes my spine tingle, but I dont see why they would have to unless a) the downturn due to the new motion sensing controllers is MASSIVE b) they can no longer innovate and properly advertise good new games and c) If the current generation lasts TOO long.

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russelmiller
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 7:20:02 PM
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"exceedingly unlikely that a Wii 2 is in the works"

That has got to be the most insanely baseless statement I have ever read in my entire life. What is the evidence behind this statement, because you haven't heard about it yet?

Just think of all the time Nintendo has had to develop their next console while Sony and MS are playing catch up. Now don't get me wrong I am gamer with 3 consoles and I play/love them all. But to think Nintendo is going to say, "Oh, we are done innovating hardware, and we are going to just start making games for other consoles." Is absolutely insane.

Pretty sure there would be a mass suicide, Hale Bopp style at Nintendo before they started producing games for other consoles.

And to Underdog15:

"Also, gaming didn't begin with Nintendo, either."

You are definitely right that gaming didn't begin with Nintendo, but they saved gaming, read up on the "gaming crash" of 1983

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 8:37:17 PM
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From now on, I'm going to have to write extremely benign titles for any articles. I don't want it ever going anywhere near N4G. That sh**hole just drags in title readers who have the attention spans of gnats and absolutely refuse to read anything BUT the title.

I will not be replying to idiots who make points already addressed in the article, and call everyone names because they can do so in other sh**hole communities. Done.

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thj_1980
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 8:50:19 PM
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YEAH

Super Mario World on my PS3!!!! Mario will look like a real plumber then!!!

Imagine Mario on blu-ray with ps3 graphics!!

Don't forget about the PSP!!!
No more game boy's small tiny screen!!!

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thj_1980
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 8:59:18 PM
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Though, I would have to agree with some people here. psxextreme is known for bashing people that regard about the other superior qualities on the competitor's consoles. I do not blame them at all. The whole idea of bashing that is good, because it proves that this site is only devoted to playstation not the competitors.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 9:48:18 PM

Outright bashing of anything for the sake of bashing isn't tolerated.

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Underdog15
Friday, July 23, 2010 @ 10:51:45 AM

Yeah, I remember people (sometimes regulars) getting a little slap on the wrist for outright bashing of things apart from Playstation. I find that typically people resort to name calling and bashing when they lack a decent argument to back up their belief. I guess that calling someone a name somehow makes their voice sound braver in their own minds.

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OmegaFujin
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 9:39:24 PM
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I don't really think you guys know what you are talking about and here's why. Nintendo games for the Wii and DS are successful due to gimmicks and 1st party games yes, but also due to developers. Developers are more willing to develope for Wii and DS due to development costs. Wii games are cheap to make, PS3 and 360 games are not at all. On top of that the 360 and PS3 games don't sell near as well. If Sony and Microsoft make their next system with even better graphics and processing they are fools as the games will cost even more for developement, the system will cost too much, hence will sell less. So then you got 2 systems that cost a ton to develope for and the games cant sell. Nintendo would throw themselves into this failing market why???

Also there is proof that games are returning to roots, look at megaman 9 and 10. Since they are so cheap to make Capcom doesnt mind if they dont sell well. Sonic's returning to roots, Mario still has great 2d games, Kirby, even little big planet, less graphics but good game and sells well, better than games with much better graphics. There's no reason why Nintendo Wii or any other system they make would ever come close to being as crummy as Microsoft and Sony's crap.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 9:51:37 PM

Too many assumptions. You're assuming that the next Nintendo console - if there is one - will be equally cheap to develop for. You're assuming the PS3 and 360 will continue to be very expensive to develop for; those costs have already come way down and will continue to decline. We're not talking about the Wii or the DS. We're not saying those will just suddenly fail and Nintendo will take away the mascots to put on other consoles. It'd be ridiculous to say and we never even implied that.

Also, the 2D retro games you speak of mean little to nothing. They cost very little to produce, they cost very little for the consumer, and the profit is small as well. None of these are blockbusters; the biggest games every year are typically trend-setters and cutting-edge in every way. It's also interesting how you have to say Microsoft and Sony produce "crap" when the Wii is the effing KING of shovelware.

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OmegaFujin
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 9:46:26 PM
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In regards to Move and Kinect, why think these will catch on and defeat the Wii? Do you honestly believe the Wii can be caught up to at this point? It can't, because in order to play Kinect you must buy a 360, same for Move and PS3. That's around at least 400 bucks total. Now look at Wii. You get the Wii with motion built in, and both wii sports games all for 200 bucks! Half the Price of either. The Wii is optimized for motion, not just an add on.

Now if Kinect and Move were released at the time of the Wii initially they may have a problem, but its so late in the game most people who want a Wii have one, so why would they pay twice as much, for a Move or Kinect on top of buying the console to play them on? There are way too many holes in you guys logic.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 9:52:06 PM

Just stop focusing on the Wii and current costs. If you can't figure out that things sort of change and this article isn't talking about TODAY, than please stop posting.

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OmegaFujin
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 11:31:14 PM
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How can I not get my point across using the current information I know, vs people predictions of Nintendo's doom? Makes no sense. Besides I mention that in the next gen Microsoft and Sony will likely be in more hot water with higher developement cost, higher prices for consumers, and less sales if the current trend continues. I'm asking you to argue with this fact IF you can. Nintendo will continue to make quality games at an affordable price, and use "new" innovations to keep games fresh. There is more to innovation than motion control in case anyone hadn't noticed.

Also most of the people who say the next gen Nintendo will fail probably thought the Wii and DS would be complete flops, but did that instance of being proven wrong educate you on prejudgement? Apparently not...

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, July 23, 2010 @ 12:28:26 AM

You have no clue about what will happen next generation, and if you're going to keep saying how great the Wii is, I strongly suggest you check the average review score of a Wii game...it's basically ALL trash with the exception of the first-party titles. It's almost entirely shovelware; the system doesn't sell on "great games;" it sells on the gimmick.

If they don't have a gimmick next time around, it won't do them any good. "New innovations" is hilarious. Nintendo hasn't had any "new innovations" in their SOFTWARE since Mario 64.

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russelmiller
Friday, July 23, 2010 @ 1:21:12 AM

"Nintendo hasn't had any "new innovations" in their SOFTWARE since Mario 64."

So, if u say this about nintendo, then you must hate the lack of innovative titles that sony/ms/ every developer have created since mario 64.

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Underdog15
Friday, July 23, 2010 @ 10:42:51 AM

Seriously? Since the N64? Everything both MS and SONY has done since then is innovative... it's since the N64 that the two of them STARTED...

How about EVERY exclusive title for both systems? I'm seriously not going to write out a list of a couple of hundred exclusives seen on both systems for you...

From XBOX's Alan Wake, Halo, and Gears to Playstations Crash Bandicoot to Uncharted, God of War, Little Big Planet, ModNation, inFamous, Tomba, Okami, Shadow of the Colossus, Dissega, Dynasty Warriors franchise, Xenogears and Xenosaga, Legend of Dragoon, Crono Cross, Assassins Creed on 360 and PS3, and OMFG the list goes on and on and on and on!!

Do you realize there are over 230 current and anticipated PS3 exclusives? Did you realize PS2 was the first system to innovatively enable 720p HD support?

You're just gushing out gibberish and nonsense.

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Jawknee
Friday, July 23, 2010 @ 12:14:49 PM

Eh, Ben i don't know what you mean by that. Mario Galaxy is a big leap from Mario 64 in my opinion.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, July 23, 2010 @ 12:22:10 PM

It's not a gameplay innovation. It's not something we've never seen before.

If you want something you've "never seen before," you can HARDLY go to Nintendo.

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OmegaFujin
Friday, July 23, 2010 @ 12:42:47 AM
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I referenced patterns from the current gen to assume patterns in the next, I never said I "knew for certain". Same thing everyone else is doing in the topic, you just single me out because I actually defend the company which is winning the console wars and use logic to explain my reasoning. Gimmick it may be, but innovative is another way to describe it. If you want to simply hate on the system saying it hasnt been innovative since 64, have fun being arrogant and wrong when the next Nintendo console outperforms microsoft and sony AGAIN.

Have you checked the score on 360 and PS3 games? Pretty crummy games except for Major developers like capcom, square, and bioware, and even their games are heavily criticized. Don't point fingers at the Wii having crummy games when the 360's entire reputation is based sheerly on shooters or multiplatform games stolen from under Sony's nose.

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Underdog15
Friday, July 23, 2010 @ 10:47:20 AM

You can't reference current trends with future. If you did that, you'd have to take into account PS3's momentum, which you can't do.

You'd have to consider how PS2 blew that generation away selling 4x the amount of systems compared to the runner up, but you obviously wouldn't have been able to do that.

You'd have to have assumed at the end of the N64, that GameCube would fail. It came in third, but it certainly didn't fail. And you'd have to assume Wii would come in third, but it didnt.

You OBVIOUSLY cannot use current trends to predict the future generation. It hasn't been done in the past, and it won't work out in the future, either.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, July 23, 2010 @ 12:24:00 PM

Dude, just admit the Wii is loaded with useless shovelware. Admit the Game of the Year awards, ranging from technical to artistry to everything in between hardly EVER see Wii games in those lists. Admit that when we speak of innovation, we're talking about SOFTWARE, not a hardware peripheral gimmick.

If you can't do that, you're a blind Ninty follower. Simple.

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MyWorstNightmar
Saturday, July 24, 2010 @ 3:12:24 PM

Don't hold shovelware against Nintendo.
Just like I wouldn't hold shovelware against Sony.
I think shovelware is useless to talk about. What is the point? We rely on reviews from you Ben to show us which games to stear clear of.

Who cares if the Wii has 100, 200, 300 shovelware titles. I will buy ZERO of them. I buy the gems from Nintendo, and Sony. Those titles are what I judge a system against, not the crap that you see pop up from publishers trying to justify their existence.

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Cowsick
Friday, July 23, 2010 @ 1:26:25 AM
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What's with these Wii Fantrolls. Ben, get rid of them. These tools just can't read the article yet come here and bash PSXE

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, July 23, 2010 @ 12:21:31 PM

Eh, they're Nintendo fankids. They're too young to read.

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PHOENIXZERO
Friday, July 23, 2010 @ 4:27:13 AM
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People were saying Nintendo was going multi-console after the N64 "flopped" but they didn't, then it was said when the GC struggled against the XBox for 2nd place, they didn't and now, after completely crushing Sony and MS in console sales and being the only company that's turned a profit on every console sold since day one and that can be said for every console they released (okay maybe the Virtual Boy didn't make them money but I'm too tired to check) they're going to give up on making consoles after dominating this gen, even if the Wii is basically like two Gamecubes duct taped together and go third party?

Even with the cost hardware next generation, Nintendo has zero reason to do so and while the next console probably won't be on par power wise with Sony and MS's next machines I'm sure the gap will be closer while Nintendo still makes money day one. As long as they have a strong first party exclusives they'll keep making money. Besides, the control freak side of Nintendo couldn't allow.

The Move and Kinect are destined to have lukewarm sales and a lack of quality releases (I'm sure the Move will see a good number of Wii shovel ware titles) just like every other add-on game peripheral that came out later in a console's life.

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Underdog15
Friday, July 23, 2010 @ 10:30:52 AM

Dude, get your facts straight.

NDP sales at the conclusion of 2005 before the current generation started with the XBOX360:

End of 2005
PS2 - 101.37 million
XBX - 24 million
GCN - 20.61 million


PS2 won that generation by a landslide in terms of sales. Game Cube was hardly 2nd place. Maybe before coming on this site very occasionally to defend your favorite console with made-up figures, you should do some research. PSXextreme readers are MOSTLY multi-platform users who know how to generate real facts and make realistic arguments.

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PHOENIXZERO
Friday, July 23, 2010 @ 9:52:00 PM

I don't need to do research for something I already know, however you might want to go back to middle school (you shouldn't have dropped out) and learn how to properly comprehend what you read. I said the Gamecube struggled against the XBox for second place, I didn't SAY the Gamecube was in second place. The crushing Sony and Microsoft has to do with THIS generation. Are you going to try to depute that the Wii has nearly sold more than the XB360 and PS3 combined??

Get your own panties out of a bunch. No where did I defend the Wii or any Nintendo console. The whole point was that people have been saying Nintendo was going third party for over a decade and it still hasn't happened and it won't unless Nintendo goes and pulls a Sega.

Yeah, the Wii is my favorite console so much that I don't own one and haven't even bought a Nintendo product since 2001.

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Underdog15
Friday, July 23, 2010 @ 11:27:26 PM

First off, if you're going to be that offensive, I suggest you take yourself elsewhere.

Secondly, there is no middle school where I'm from. There's either an elementary from k-8 and high school 9-12, or elementary k-6, junior high 7-9 and high 10-12. But that's neither here nor there.

Third, sorry for the misinterpretation. I think many of us here are starting to let the folks who rarely post here get to us... especially the ones with such offensive tongues. My error was an assumption that you were just the occasional flamer. (I did check up on your regularity to this site. It's pretty rare.) After a second read, I realize you make a good point or two.

But fourth and finally, despite me now admitting my mistake, I'm afraid I must sigh at your attempt to call me a drop out of anything at all. I doubt my 2 degrees and ensuing masters-in-progress would allow me to continue to commune with one who debates ad-hominum. I would appreciate in the future, if I make a crass mistake again, that you try to address me a little more civilly. I promise you that if I make a mistake or am excessively offensive without cause, I will apologize and admit a wrong, as I have now.

Afterall, when one continues his education, graduates, starts a career, continues part-time studies towards a masters, gets married, buys a house, and all before he's 24, he tends to scoff at any attempt made by the offending individual. Bigot or humble gent, it matters not.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, July 24, 2010 @ 12:37:21 AM

Yeah. This is why the N4G losers have to STAY AWAY.

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PHOENIXZERO
Sunday, July 25, 2010 @ 11:20:56 PM

What you looked up was just to see how many posts I have made, just because I do not post very often is not an indication of how frequent or infrequent my visits to this site are. Truthfully though I do not visit this site everyday and generally just look at the the stories from the newsletter, if there's something that interests me then I'll click on the link and read it. If I feel like making a comment I might or I might not.

I do apologize for the vitriolic response. Admittedly I don't like being "called out" or corrected for no reason and I definitely do not like being called a fanboy (directly or indirectly). I despise fanboys and the general stupidity that comes along with their bias.

As for the rest of your response I'll just leave that along and say congratulations on your accomplishments and good luck in your future endeavors.

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riku22
Friday, July 23, 2010 @ 9:24:58 PM
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Hello, I've read the article and I personally don't think that the Wii is Nintendo's Swan Song Console. I honestly don't see how it could be considering they are the market leader right now. They have plenty of money to create another console and I'm sure they are. I also don't think the Wii has a gimmicky controller either (the motion plus is under-used, but I expect that to change pretty soon). Anyway, that's just the way I feel.

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THE NTMIDTR
Friday, July 23, 2010 @ 11:32:28 PM
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[approaches soapbox and plants both feet firmly on it]

Of course Nintendo sales are declining! There is no one left to sell a Wii to!!!

As far as Nintendo having no new tech, no new chance to come up with something great... really? I wouldn't bet against them!

How dare you all look that gift horse in the mouth! Nintendo played a crucial role in getting us where we all are now in gaming... the characters they created are as big as they are because of that effort Nintendo made and the quality and impact those early 8-16 bit games made on this form of entertainment.

I'm tired of reading bloviating articles claiming this and that... slow week? Nothing serious to write about except sensationalizing some story based on the speculation of "What could Nintendo do next?"

Fool please! I'm no Nintendo fanboy... however I do respect the enjoyment I got growing up on their products... the success they have had as a 'gaming industry leader' and the fact that they CONTINUE to top their self time and time again. The graphics argument is apples and oranges... they never claimed to be as technical or advanced as the AMAZING PS3 or the online gaming Box.

That being said, respect your elders punks!!! Thank Nintendo for everything they have done for us... stop trying to "manufacture news", and NEVER underestimate or turn your nose to NIntendo.

I played Atari 2600 back in the day as a kid... had it not been for the OG Nintendo/SNES and Mario in my teen years... I MAY NOT BE A GAMER NOW! I would imagine many of you on here would say the very same thing...

[steps off of soapbox]

FYI. ps3trophies is an excellent org!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, July 24, 2010 @ 12:36:59 AM

You're not really addressing that rant to someone just as old if not older than you, right?

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Underdog15
Saturday, July 24, 2010 @ 2:42:29 AM

Intimidator, you make some decent points, to be sure. But I think you miss the point of the article. I am in no way belittling the points you have raised, because there are some good ones. However, I think you missed the point.

Additionally, you might find it rewarding to read through many of the comments here. It may help paint a better stroke on the image in your mind as to what the real question is.

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THE NTMIDTR
Sunday, July 25, 2010 @ 8:04:10 AM

@Ben... No... 40 here... you? LOL

I'm frustrated at how easily people make things seem 'newsie'... how 'nay sayers' speculate prematurely, how people look past past achievements in favor of 'what have you done for me lately' thinking.

I believe your article had good intent and merit... it seemed to wind down in an uncomfortable way to me. You of all people should know not to count your eggs before they hatch. It felt like egg counting to me. I doubt anyone here anticipated/predicted the Wii and the success it would have? I understand they currently show 'no research dollars' etc. going into new tech.

Hold off on the doom and gloom and premature speculation... they have earned the right to get a 'pass' on this topic IMHO. If they come out with a scrawny dog next... "get the torches & pitchforks out'! LOL

@Underdog15... Agreed... but honestly, it is very hard to weed out the ones Ben and the other fantastic longtime members have an eye on to know who is credible and who is a crackpot. I am fairly new to this site and just don't know too many peoples slant yet. Some of the comments are drivel and they make me sleepy.

Bottom line: Nintendo has gotten good at keeping secrets (just check the E3 lineup... NO ONE scooped all of that)... they have gotten good at reinventing gaming itself. As I said: "had it not been for the OG Nintendo/SNES and Mario in my teen years... I MAY NOT BE A GAMER NOW!"

Explanation: All these 'new', 'casual' gamers are beginning to get hooked... as we all did at our personal beginning with video games. This is Nintendo not Loutendo... a gaming GIANT.

Translation: Does ANYBODY really think Nintendo is content with letting all these new gamers/paying customers have nothing to spend their money on with Nintendo? I don't see Nintendo settling for royalties on characters and licensing to Sony & M$ instead of continuing to serve their customer base. In the end... that was what this article was about for me.

Last edited by THE NTMIDTR on 7/25/2010 8:05:22 AM

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Dograbbitbeaver
Saturday, July 24, 2010 @ 1:57:17 AM
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these characters are all nintendo has got atm. unless the new zelda game that is 'supposed' to come out around 2011 is not just a rumour then i think it will go down. their problem is that they dont release successive games one after the other (e.g. the CoD franchise) they put effort and new ideas into their games unlike the mentioned game.

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Underdog15
Saturday, July 24, 2010 @ 2:43:02 AM

Truth!

You certainly have to wonder why the best games take 3 or 4 years or more in development while CoD takes less than a year...

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MyWorstNightmar
Saturday, July 24, 2010 @ 3:08:17 PM

One reason is their games don't require patches to fix odds and ends. When Nintendo releases a game, you can be sure, it works flawlessly.

They are also LONGER games than COD campaigns.

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Leopard
Saturday, July 31, 2010 @ 5:19:28 AM
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I can't believe I read all that. Oh well back to playing Pokemon!

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brinmat
Sunday, August 01, 2010 @ 8:26:59 AM
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This blog is hilariously fanboyish, with absolutely no understanding of how or why the Wii won this console war.

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