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No Sequel For Enslaved Unless It's A Gigantic Hit

New IPs can be a tough sell in today's sequel-rich industry, but Ninja Theory still isn't planning a franchise around their new IP, Enslaved: Odyssey to the West.

In speaking to CVG, studio boss Tameem Antoniades says they're not expecting to do a sequel to their upcoming action/adventure extravaganza. He basically says that "this is the one story" and they "pretend there won't be a sequel" so as to deliver a whole and complete experience. That being said, they're being conservative in their expectations and unless Enslaved is "miraculously successful," this will be the first and last game with that title. In fact, Antoniades says they "don't assume it's going to be successful" (weird, right?). However, that being said, despite the fact they're not calling it a guaranteed blockbuster, they did really try to pour their heart and soul into this one game.

"There are ways to extend it out, I'm not worried about that. I just didn't want to leave anything hanging - I hate that."

Yeah, we hate that, too. But there's something else in there; something we seem to have missed last month. It appears that Ninja Theory would've done a Heavenly Sword 2 if Sony hadn't "gobbled up the rights." In other words, they would've done it had they been able to go multiplatform, which must tie into their belief that a 1.5-million seller isn't a "success" on one console. ...which we still can't comprehend. So if Enslaved doesn't sell at least 3.5 million or something like that, it's also a failure...?

Related Game(s): Enslaved: Odyssey to the West

Tags: enslaved, odyssey to the west, ninja theory

7/21/2010 10:25:41 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (36 posts)

JofaMang
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:41:36 AM
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Is this not the same team that felt that heavenly sword at 1.5million sold was a sales disappointment? This sort of comment is like an aloof threat to the fanbase:
"Everyone must buy this game or we won't let you experience the next one. We are so awesome, and you gamers don't even deserve to play this one, but we'll give you a chance to prove to us that you are good enough to experience our mad skills"

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Qubex
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:50:28 AM
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Not surprised really. They must be concerned that the current economic climate does not bode well for developers at the moment. Coupled with the very real situation that unless your I.P. is fairly well known, or the hype machine has helped do some of the work on driving interest up for the said title, sales targets may be difficult to reach.

It could very well be the first and last Enslaved title. I would have preferred they did Heavenly Sword 2. Just the name alone would guarantee at least 500K to 1M in sales; and probably more.

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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ace_boon_coon
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:05:47 PM

HS2 would have sold at least 3 million. the first sold 1.5 million with only 8 million ps3's on the market, and with a hefty $500 price tag.

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 9:47:41 PM

@Cochise

110% agreed my friend.

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ColTater
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:59:56 AM
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How can the team be excited to go to work and pour their heart and soul into a game when they have a pre concieved notion that it isn't going to do well? I know I for one wouldn't be thrilled to go to work if I didn't believe in the product I was producing. Insert foot in mouth here.

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ace_boon_coon
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:09:15 PM

yeah they don't seem optimistic. like i said before they should have stayed exclusive and this game would have a better buzz. quantic dreams was weary about heavy rain, and they stayed with the ps3 and now they're reaping the benefits. i guess those MS check weren't enough.

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:04:35 AM
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When one expects failure, one tends to receive it in abundance.

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Shams
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:02:20 PM

I agree. Another piece of wisdom, is being thankful for what one has, so that one may be given more, and to not drive away what little one by being thankless. Selling 1.5 million of pretty much anything is an awesome business in any industry (unless you went over budget), and they would've had surer chance of success with less overhead, if they stayed exclusive, owing to their name-recognition. I also agree with Wissam, in that, if they truly wanted to cash out on multiplatform success, they should've chose a more popular genre.

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Club80
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 3:34:27 PM

In general, I agree with you Highlander. But as Cochise pointed out, David Cage had a negative outlook about Heavy Rain's success...yet it exceeded many's expectation. The preview buzz about Enslaved has been nothing short of high praise across the board.

I wonder if this "woe is me" attitude is becoming part of a new (albeit odd) business strategy?

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Qubex
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 12:25:04 PM

Club80... but Heavy Rain was quite a new and novel concept for this generation... it was risky, but the hype machine helped... and, when the game released, the game actually lived up to expectations.

Heavy Rain has had legs, a game that was sampled by a core group of gamers first; with the word spreading that it was an experience and worthy to be in your collection... sales climbed... and I still think those "catch up" drip drop sales will continue to boost its numbers...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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ro kurorai
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:08:32 AM
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NT's problem is that they're judging sales expectations on a PS3 exclusive in the console's infancy days, i.e. the toughest time for PS3.

Still, I wouldn't consider 1mil + sales a failure but NT claim they didn't make any money on HS.

I don't care. As long as they didn't cripple the PS3 version for DVD size's sake I'm not expecting Enslaved to disappoint.

Heck, I'm buying this game on day 1 'coz Andy Serkis is once again co-directing and he totally kicked ass in HS.

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frostface
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:10:48 AM
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I'm a believer that if someone already said something well the first time, it's worth repeating...to Ninja Theory:

Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?
- Oddball, from Kelley's Heroes

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chedison
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 11:50:00 AM
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I hate they way they are looking at things, but that doesn't change the fact that I'm still buying it.

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kraygen
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 12:11:30 PM
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I have my doubts about this game since it was announced and well, this sure doesn't help. If anything it makes me even more doubtful that this game will be very good. Here's the facts.

Heavenly sword was pretty good, but a ps3 exclusive.

Enslaved is multi-plat.

Heavenly sword had pretty good graphics when it came out, but today look a little dated when compared to GoW and uncharted 2.

Enslaved has graphics that look similar to heavenly sword, but not even as good as it did.

Heavenly sword has an interesting story with a strong likable main character.

Enslaved has a story that sounds weak and leaves you babysitting a useless tag a long.

And now you have the devs saying they don't think that enslaved will sell well enough to do a sequel even tho it is multiplat, which says to me they have no faith in the game, so why should I?

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GuardianMode
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 2:05:27 PM

Agreed. Its seemed like they expected to fail all along. Did they go mulit-plat to get back at Sony for the firsts so called "failure"? I bet the work environment is all rainbows&butterflys in their studio. <.<

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Wissam
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 12:25:35 PM
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I am not seeing this game as a big hit. or maybe it will. but its hard too see this game selling well. especially on x360. these guys like shooters.

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Shams
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 12:49:16 PM

This is true, but AC2 did sell pretty darn well (something like 7 million copies at least total on both consoles).

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ace_boon_coon
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:26:54 PM

yeah AC2 did about that same number on both consoles(360 3.8 mill ps3 3.67 mill). but 360 is 5 million ahead of ps3, so it pretty much sold more than the 360 in a sense.

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ace_boon_coon
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:30:00 PM

we're not buying your BS

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Scarecrow
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 12:41:52 PM
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They're doubtful because they're gonna hold a lot of content back for DLC.

It's gonna get knocked down in reviews just for that.
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Weird, Ninja Theory acts as if their games need to sell 10 million to be considered a success.

Black Ops will overshadow this game on the 360 side of things.

While GT5 and LBP2 will overshadow it on the ps3 side of things.

GOWIII has the Action/Adventure GOTY secured this year.

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Alienange
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 12:50:21 PM
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This comment about not letting things hang and giving us a full experience is starting to get bounced around more and more. I don't like it. Letting some stuff hang worked just fine for inFamous and many others. It creates a world. No world has all its answers wrapped up all nice and tidy with a bow on top within 12 hours.

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JackC8
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:27:42 PM
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They seem to have a bug up their butt about Sony. Heavenly Sword sold 1.5 million but they didn't make any money because Sony took it all. And then Sony "gobbled up" the rights to the game. So in other words, Ninja Theory decided to sell the rights to Sony? Or Sony just owned the rights all along? In either case, it just sounds like sour grapes.

I hope they find the riches they think they so truly deserve with their multiplatform game. Though the fact that it isn't a FPS, well...one might make a prediction about sales on the other console.

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maxpontiac
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 1:41:55 PM
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I don't see this game being a hit anyways. Come to think of it, I don't see this game selling much more copies then Heavenly Sword.

From a personal standpoint, I am not buying it.

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GuardianMode
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 2:07:25 PM

It could be they realize that and are bracing themselves for the bad sales. I bet being a Sony exclusive sounds and looks pretty good about now.

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ace_boon_coon
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 5:35:44 PM

they had to learn the hard way. lesson learned. if this games bombs i bet they'll announce a HS2.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 2:19:18 PM
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See? No confidence.

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Dustinwp
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 2:31:22 PM
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Cry me a frickin river Tameem Antoniades! You just made sure I won't be buying your crap game. This guy makes me ashamed too even have a Ninja Theory game in my collection. Thank god Sony gobbled up the rights for Heavenly Sword from these whiners.

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Streets_74
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 2:31:40 PM
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I like NT well actually the only game of theirs that I know of is Heavenly sword, which I like a lot but somehow have not beat it yet. But it seems they have their very own bobby kotex over there, for some reason they don't see 1.5 million as being successful, either they are really full of themselves or they went way over budget on this very good six to eight hour game. I can say I don't have the same enthusiasm for Enslaved as I did for HS, and not because its a multi platform tilte either, I couldn't really say but it just hasn't pulled me in from what I've seen so far.

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Oyashiro
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 3:45:34 PM
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Wow, This lack of confidence in their game gives me a lack of confidence that it will be any good.

And this "If you don't buy our game we won't make another one!" threat doesn't make me want to buy your game any more! Its a new IP, I have no personal attachment to it... That threat does nothing for you but makes you look like a whiny little brat!

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Lotusflow3r
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 3:56:24 PM
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Awful comments.

Correct words would of been to say that there won't be a sequel if the sequel doesn't marry the original. Meaning, it's a sequel from the heart, not to just milk the success as they're saying here.....and they even said that it ends with the original. Complete turn off.

Other hiccups, although it's subjective, i prefer stories open for interpretation and with anti-climatic endings. It gives it more life.

...and the comment about Heavenly Sword.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 6:06:30 PM
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Heavenly Sword 2 going multiplat would have been weird, not because it was once exclusive but because the second one would have poorer graphics. It's supposed to go the other way around.

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Snaaaake
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 6:21:27 PM
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Hmm, Enslaved does look interesting so it got potential.

But this guys really need to get a check in their head, being humble is fine but till expecting failure?

Damn man, I know 1.5 million is not big hit but at least it's quite a good number.

It's not like the budget for Heavenly Sword was $50 million.

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 6:56:03 PM
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I think Ninja Theory is full of it. If they don't realise the potential HS2 has, not to mention with Sony fans alone they are just making excuses. If HS sold 1.5 million when the PS3 wasn't doing so hot, and they consider that not good enough, they are in denial.

Again I think its just an excuse. If they havn't seen what Sony and the PS3 is doing for gaming then they are in it just for the money. Sorry Heavenly Sword was awesome, but they just lost a few points in my book.

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RebelJD
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 1:11:16 AM
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Quite honestly, Ninja Theory sounds gay. Like babies who complain and whine until/unless they get what they want. I'm sure Enslaved is going to be a fun game. For Ninja Theory to blatantly say they'll make a sequel "only" if it sells like Modern Warfare or something similar is lame. Just make good games and stop with all the sissy-ness. If Enslaved isn't made to be extended then don't extended it due to how much money consumers make for you by buying it. If Sony has the rights to Heavenly Sword then so be it, make part two and add to your catalog...idiots.

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___________
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 3:41:38 AM
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i think i speak for everyone when i say f*ck enslaved we want a heavenly sword sequel!!!!!!!!!!!

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Banky A
Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 4:10:59 AM
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Negativity, negativity.
I've been hating on the comments made by these guys in recent times :/

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