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Hollywood Has A Lot Of Gall

It isn't yet another movie-maker making statements he isn't qualified to make. It's the outright dismissal and obvious contempt these guys have for our industry.

And boy, considering the state of films right now, that takes a ton of gall. So much, in fact, that it borders on adolescent whining and ranting; it's reminiscent of established trend-setters sitting in the back seat and screaming at the driver that he doesn't know where he's going. Every time I turn around, there's another director, producer or even actor slinging a few barbs in our direction. It's often quite subtle and sometimes, I even believe they don't mean to be insulting. It's just a common, widespread belief in Hollywood that gaming still isn't a viable, legitimate form of entertainment and even if they admit that much, it can't be as viable or legitimate as movies. Now, it'd be one thing if they were fully checked out on the subject; if they had played the most advanced, progressive, revolutionary experiences this industry currently has to offer. But as we all know, that's never the case.

Maybe they're upset that the two vying industries are headed in opposite directions. Gaming keeps moving forward and continues to break new ground while movies have only gone backwards in terms of quality and intelligence. How long can you sit on your lofty pedestal and cast aspersions on all the lowly peons when your #1 product for a good long time is called "Hot Tub Time Machine?" Seriously, what part of your egotistical little brain tells you nobody will notice? Perhaps it's the same part of the brain that, like a pouting child, says that if you turn a blind eye to the facts, you'll still be right. It really is like a temper tantrum isn't it? Every time I see another movie guy pissing on games, all I can think of is a two-year old holding hands over ears, shaking his head back and forth, squeezing his eyes shut, and going, "no, no, no, no, no, no!"

Yeah, keep doing that. We've got a whole lot of very talented people working on our sh**, Hollywood. In fact, I'm willing to bet you're losing a lot of talent to our industry because you insist on turning out trash, and we can actually use fresh creativity, artistry, choreography, direction, etc. I see about one new movie a year and I don't feel as if I'm missing out on a damn thing (maybe it's because I read too much). See, you've already lost people like me who will read "War and Peace" one hour and play Heavy Rain the next. You can continue to cater to the mind-numbingly brain-dead masses all you wish; there's certainly a lot of money in that "noble" endeavor. But for the love of God, just stop making fools of yourselves. It's not even annoying, anymore...it's just plain sad.

Tags: hollywood, movies and games

7/29/2010 9:17:52 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (133 posts)

Him
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 9:44:33 PM
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Right on Ben

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Xombito
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 9:47:13 PM
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Your right! Hollywood completely sucks right now. I have more interest in indie films anyway.

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fluffer nutter
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 12:45:27 AM

Your left! :p

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maxpontiac
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 9:49:20 PM
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This is what happens when a type of media is being replaced with the next big thing.

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McClane
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 9:50:06 PM
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Let me put it this way:

Uncharted series: Great action games with an intelligent, well developed plot, likable characters and you can actually like them because they are.

Transformers series (the movies): Awful plot, mind-numbing action (and sometimes confusing), bad jokes, characters you couldn´t care less if they live or die and EXTREME abuse of CGI (Which ironically, sometimes, makes you think you are watching a VIDEOGAME)...

Hollywood is dying, a proof of that? The list of upcoming movies:

--Robocop 4
--The Crow reboot
--Mad Max 4
--Saw 3D (Damn you, Avatar for the stupid gimmick!)
--Scream 4 or 5, lost track

And the list goes on and on and on...

EDIT: Wait, I forgot, more crappy remakes on the horizon...

--Red Dawn (A bunch of 80's kids fight off a Russian invasion, in the remake they will fight off...er...chinese??)
--Weird Science (Another unadaptable story to be a remake)
--EVIL DEAD!!! FFS, what are they thinking???


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booze925
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 10:14:05 PM

saw toy story 3 in 3D... it really added to the experience! toy story 3 was awesome by the way.
i definitely see all kinds of crappy movies using 3D as a gimmick. and its sad, because they will sell

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kevinater321
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 11:13:33 PM

3D is not a gimmick if used right. Unfortunately most movies will use it like it is. Examples? The Final Destination, Piranha 3D ect.

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FatherSun
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 11:56:42 PM

Just read a quote somewhere by a Sony employee. "3D is easy. GOOD 3D is hard". Give it time. We are sure to be amazed.

On another note.. Google SONY 3D cylindrical display. The future its coming real fast.

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Shams
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 9:51:28 PM
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Well put. The rampant malaise is exactly as you diagnosed. You would've thought perhaps professionals, whatever the industry there in, would somehow be more objective and conscientious about their published thoughts. I'm sure as younger blood enters the industry (those who've grown up with video games as an established, mature media), such careless diatribes will become more of a rarity, even obsolete. There will always be exceptions of course, but we won't be hearing people piss on games anymore than on movies, or music.

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Victor321
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 9:58:38 PM
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This is a really sad thing, considering that I'm an aspiring director, and am planning to go into film production after high school (this September will be the start of my last year).

Look on the bright side Ben, today's "commenter" was Mike Newell, and he's not exactly a James Cameron, Peter Jackson, or a Steven Spielberg. I guarantee you there's going to be some kind of apology coming from him.

And rest assured, I won't choose to fall in these pits of stupidity when I comment on the state of gaming as an entertainment medium 15-20 years from now, when I'm fully in "career mode" lol

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 10:30:39 PM

Spielberg has lost it.

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kraygen
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 11:27:14 PM

Spielberg makes me want to yak with his all to often ridiculous happy endings that have no right to be so.

characters miraculously surviving the unsurvivable simply to make the film have everyone hugging and smiley at the end.

Get a grip Spielberg, people die and making your movie ridiculously happy for the sake of the masses is utter nonsense.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 12:59:29 AM

Cameron lost it too, Avatar Suuuuuuucked!

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ThePearlJamer
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 12:48:18 PM

Avatar was the highest grossing film when unadjusted for inflation...im so sure it sucked

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MyWorstNightmar
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 1:43:17 PM

World, to simply say it sucked is a sucky thing to do.

The special effects were top notch, and a marvel. Very well done, and Cameron should be commended for it.

The story was a Dances with Wolves re-tread. He took an easy, done in the past formula story and filled it with amazing visuals.

To simply say it sucked, implies the visuals sucked as well, and I couldn't disagree more.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 3:01:33 PM

Nope, it was bad. All he did was steal the native american story and give it a different ending. And the visuals on District 9 were better than Avatar where the CGI was overused and icky.

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ThePearlJamer
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 7:59:29 PM

World, you could not be more wrong

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kraygen
Saturday, July 31, 2010 @ 12:30:12 AM

If you look at district 9's budget and Avatar's budget and then note that on avatar the aliens look slightly cartoonish and the aliens in D9 look like actual large insects, I feel avatar could have been better.

That's not to say the visuals for the planet and background weren't done well or even the characters weren't done well, simply that they still could have been better.

I see exactly what world is talking about.

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animalmother
Sunday, August 01, 2010 @ 8:22:48 PM

World Ends with me clearly hit the nail on the head about Cameron using the American/Canadian Indian saga re-write as his plot.

Avatar my @$$, Cameron make me a new God-damn Terminator flick then we can talk, once you drop your Nancy flicks.

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LightShow
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 10:03:40 PM
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literature had similar contempt (waaaay back when) for the performing arts, which had a similar contempt for movies. if anything, this is a pattern that video games are on the promising end of.

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FatherSun
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 10:06:13 PM
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Ben is on fire! Such loyalty to our beloved hobby is commendable.

HOLLOWOOD is DEAD! Interactive Entertainment is where it's at. It is so much more in almost every way. Imagine a game with a $100 million budget. We do so more with less and when done properly the results are oh so satisfying. The same actors and industry types who dismiss the medium with their noses in the air will someday turn around and partake in this budding industry. Think about it. You can bring a movie into a game but you cannot integrate a game into a movie. Gaming involves all mediums. Art. Music. Writing. It is the melting pot of all media. Someday Hollowood will have to bow. Or at last play nice with its younger more intelligent and attractive sibling.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 10:33:59 PM

You make a solid point, you can make a great game that makes tons of cash for the price that just one or two Hollywood big shot actors charge just to play a role.

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booze925
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 10:06:24 PM
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its not just hollywood, its southern california in general. mainly los angeles though. they are the scum of the earth, and any crap that comes from that area should be disregarded as soon as its said. hollywood has nothing but a bunch of self-centered, ignorant, flashy, pompous, lying pieces of crap that we call actors, directors, and lakers fans.
that is why i am sending this proposition to the PSXextreme Community. put a border between Northern and Southern California. it will benefit the population of norther cities like sacramento, and san francisco as those southern bastards are stealing our water, and our souls.
Thank You very much, and good day to all. God Damn Southern California.

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frostface
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 10:20:54 PM

That just sounds like a rant dude. Most Hollywood movies aren't even made in Hollywood but on set locations all over the world. When people refer to Hollywood films, they're not actually making reference to California or the 'Scum of the Earth' as you put it.
I've never been to Hollywood and yes I've heard some not too favourable stories about the place but where in the world is perfect?
I believe the topic isn't about the state of California but rather the movies that are being churned out of 'Hollywood' as a movie industry and it's refusal to accept that gaming is a real melting pot of originality and is succeeding where the movies are not.
But you're definitely entitled to your opinion, as am I and my opinion is that you need to chill with the aggressive negativity dude and be more constructive with your comments!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 10:36:54 PM

I think he was being funnily sardonic Frostface, and, well if you ship a southern Cali idea anywhere in the world it remains a southern Cali idea. At any rate we can't have a war between North and South California.

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frostface
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 10:48:47 PM

It is possible I misread the gist of his post, hard to get the tone right when reading text!

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Lawless SXE
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 10:56:11 PM

Is Santa Monica not in LA? If so, that means you just trashed God of War. Kratos will NOT stand for that.
Peace.

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booze925
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 12:21:50 AM

u didnt get the tone of my speech?
id be a terrible author.

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booze925
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 12:32:08 AM

tone was playfully sarcastic

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frostface
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 10:06:55 PM
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I'd love to see some developers lash together a full length movie and put Hollywood to shame.
Look at the cinematics for MGS4, or even better still, a full length movie of the trailer to DeusEx: Human Revolution

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6JTvzrpBy0

Lets see how Hollywood will have us on the edge of our seats in the same way as the immediate immersion at the start of Uncharted 2 in the train. And show me a movie that runs from start to finish 60+hrs with the re-playability whilst still holding the same thrill as Demon's Souls.

Don't get me wrong, I love movies in general, but they're two completely different markets and to have one down play the other as one progresses and the other stagnates, well that's just plain ignorant. Especially when the individuals who make such uneducated comments haven't even played or tried to understand the industry that they're trying to demean. Worse yet is to let that person recreate a game into a movie. No wonder it bombed, doesn't sound like it was a labour of love. Had PoP been made by someone who understands the industry, would it of failed so drastically?

I think the talented Developers of so many of the our top games should knock heads together and create some real art and show these egotistic snobs how it's really done.

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Jawknee
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 10:10:53 PM
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Holly-weird has been speaking with a certain arrogance for quite some time on a just about everything. It was only a matter of time before these dingbats started attacking games.

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sawao_yamanaka
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 10:15:02 PM

Don't forget we gamers speak with our wallets. You dislike our pastime we will stop supporting yours!

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booze925
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 10:15:04 PM

two words.
screw. hollywood.
end

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sawao_yamanaka
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 10:19:03 PM

Fin

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sawao_yamanaka
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 10:13:14 PM
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Way to go Ben! These hollywood types really stereotype gamers and games for all their worth. That's a bad thing. I read, draw, play sports when I get the chance and am not a basement dweller. Although, I actually liked hot tub time machine :). It was funny what can I say. Also inception is great as well so nobody thinks I have bad tastes in films.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 10:22:18 PM
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Excellent article, and I think it is something of a death rattle on their part. The fact is these Hollywood types who trash games don't even play them. They took their hot tub time machine back into the 80's and that's what they think games still are.

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Scarecrow
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 10:30:10 PM

"They took their hot tub time machine back into the 80's and that's what they think games still are."

lol, exactly

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FatherSun
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 12:09:02 AM

Death Rattle.! You just struck a chord and reminded me of another medium that HOLLOWOOD is currently addicted to. COMICS! I grew up reading epic and intelligent stories within those colored pages.

EXCELSIOR!

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Vivi_Gamer
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 3:59:35 AM

Yes, i can't stand it to the same level as you. But for different reasons. I'm sick of comic books infecting media with there mannerisms. film Reboots have arisen all due to it seeming acceptable in comic books. And just look at that STxT game we saw the other day, all becuase it's typical of comics to pic and mix there characters and treat their back stories like garbage. I don't want to see this in anyform of media, the sooner comics influence dies down the better it will be for both the film indusrty and gaming alike.

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Scarecrow
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 10:23:56 PM
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That's what I'm talking 'bout Ben, well put!

To be honest I don't watch movies at all. Not unless it's a planned event with other people and even then it just turns into a snorefest.

Hollywood used to be good in the 20th Century. Video games has completely taken over!

These comments by Hollywood peeps is interesting. They're actually hurting themselves more than they think. No real gamer will take this kind of ignorance lightly.

When you have games like Final Fantasy X and MGS4 expressing more artistic emotion than any movie this decade that's really saying something.

lol, he can ask his son if games are not "human enough."

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spiderboi
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 10:25:24 PM
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Let's face it..there are some who know what they're doing, and some who just talk crap. Talk about old-fashioned notions...

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ThePearlJamer
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 10:30:17 PM
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To be fair, Hot Tub Time Machine is a really funny movie...

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 10:39:00 PM

Hence the reference to it being #1.

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packersfan66
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 10:38:27 PM
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Well movie people say gaming is a joke and gaming people say movies are a joke. Let's just all agree to disagree

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kevinater321
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 11:15:34 PM

Very true point. Too bad you will be thumbed down a lot because everyone here are gamers.

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Jawknee
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 11:49:33 PM

Of course not all movies are a joke. Its the idiots who make up Hollyweird who lecture us about things they know little about that are the joke.

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fluffer nutter
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 12:46:37 AM

tommccrossin said "Let's just all agree to disagree"

How about we all agree that this statement is lame. Not you. The statement. Agree to disagree?

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packersfan66
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 1:37:19 PM

yeah, I couldn't think of any way to close it out with a short sentence so just put that in lol.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 10:39:39 PM
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I'm on an old movie kick right now, 40's 50's and early 60's stuff. You know... quality.

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FatherSun
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 11:29:56 PM

Ahh.. Quality. So rare and precious nowadays. And that goes for almost everything in this day and age.


Wish I could take a trip in that Hot Tub. Id go back to a time when more of an effort was made to produce something of substance. Il bring my PS3 to keep me company. Shhhhhsh.!

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kraygen
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 11:34:53 PM

Have you ever seen Harvey from 1950 starring James Stewart? Love that movie, but I'm a huge Stewart fan.

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Highlander
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 11:40:54 PM

Jimmy Stewart *rules*.

No if's, and's or buts on that one.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 1:01:24 AM

No I actually haven't seen that, but I'll keep it in mind.

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kraygen
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 5:07:14 AM

It is one of my favorite movies. It's great and you can order the dvd from amazon for just over $10.

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Underdog15
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 9:11:39 AM

Battle Royale anyone?

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packersfan66
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 10:49:55 PM
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To be fair cinema is a lot more established/profitable than gaming atm.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 10:55:23 PM

Like hell it's more profitable. Depends on how you look at it.

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FatherSun
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 11:32:33 PM

Established, maybe. More profitable???

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Jawknee
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 11:42:45 PM

Yea, it's old news that the gaming industry has far exceeded that of hollyweird in terms of profit.

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packersfan66
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 6:58:27 AM

maybe i'm wrong. It was an uneducated statement, but when movies take money in from cinemas and dvd sales i just figured if you had to choose between making a good game or good movie you're going to be raking in more dough. But, i guess instead of all the money mainly going to movie stars etc, it goes mainly to the heads of the big developers which usually aren't always in the news, and you don't heard about them, but just as wealthy. Guess i just answered myself.

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Jawknee
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 11:41:23 AM

A lot of movies these days cost million upon millions to make and don't do well in the box office. A lot of studios end up losing money. This has been the case for quite some time. The gaming industry has only been growing with a few hic ups here and there. Hollywood has been in decline.

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Lawless SXE
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 11:03:42 PM
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Wow Ben, that's a bit... extreme. But you're not wrong. The film industry in general is falling apart, relying on remakes, sequels, spin-offs and adaptions, while anything original, unless it is done by a very small nuber of directors, is pissed on by the big companies. They think it is better to promote the mindless trash that we see as being the "greatest examples of entertainment in the world." Bull. Casablanca is a better movie than almost anything else I've seen recently.

I don't care about profitability, I only care about quality and that is something that Hollywood is sadly lacking. What they churn out today is no more engaging than Love in the Time of Cholera is to a three year old to anyone with more than a quarter of their brain.

My rant on the original article is where I will point you if you wish to further read my ideas on this subject.
Peace.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 11:56:42 PM

Well, I don't consider it extreme if it's accurate. ;)

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Lawless SXE
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 12:38:29 AM

Yeah, but I was expecting something more along the lines of your usual calm analyses. It just seemed to come from left field.
Peace.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 1:03:37 AM

I get annoyed sometimes. It's easy to get bored with "calm," too.

Not like I'd make a habit of rants.

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Russell Burrows
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 11:06:20 PM
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Cinema for the most part is an easy way to end up broke as most movies end up being a cash drain.

Its very sad that gems like Eden Log, The Exam, The Hole, etc. go un noticed.

The best movies end up being the actual book stories.

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kevinater321
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 11:18:11 PM
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When you say look at the state Hollywood is in i disagree. Most movies are crap but there are a few amazing movies. Just like games, although the there are more good games than good movies.

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kraygen
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 11:40:24 PM
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I can definitely see where you are coming from as there is a lot of trash that comes out of hollywood these days.

The sad thing is, it seems hard to me to say that hollywood in general feels this way about gaming. Seems that there just happen to be some who can't seem to keep their mouths shut about things they can't comprehend.

I feel like if you wade thru the hollywood trash you'll eventually find some gems and gaming is kinda similar. There are a lot of gaming studio's that just pump out garbage and you have to wade through all that to find the great games.

Granted the gems in gaming are much easier to find tho because in the gaming industry, the creative and original excels, where as in the movie industry it seems the trash excels and the gems are to be found on the wayside.

I hope that not all hollywood feels this way about games and I hope that sooner rather than later hollywood will realize what gaming has to offer and begin to learn from the best of the best in gaming.

As it stands right now tho, it seems that movie blockbusters will continue to follow the same generic stories and that probably won't change until ppl stop paying to see it.

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FatherSun
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 11:48:41 PM
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Unfortunately in these times when something is produced the biggest thing that motivates is money. And when money is involved even the best of ideas can be squashed. M$ didnt create a game console to innovate. It was the dollar signs that called to them. When Hollowood makes a movie projected sales takes precedence over artistic vision. Which is why most book adaptions fail to provide the same level of Quality. You can only squeeze so much into a 2-3 hour production.

A great book is adored which translates to sales so the movie industry wants a piece. A great game also generates sales, and here comes Hollowood knocking. Its sickening. I dont mind the paper chase but damn at last have some respect for the original work, and the medium from where it came from.

There are of course exceptions to the rules but lately they come few an far between. I cant remember the last time a movie moved me. Games on the other hand...

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just2skillf00l
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 1:21:02 AM

Despite its cliched storyline of gruff male protagonist saving a planet from a frigid military general, Avatar wowed me. Yeah Hollywood pumps out typical plots and easily identifiable characters but you will find similarities in the gaming industry as well.

Take for instance the Uncharted franchise. Nathan Drake is pretty much Indiana Jones in his prime. And he's 007 in any take your pick sequel. They're all lady's mans, witty assholes, and badasses with a firearm. Of course this is just one example of a good game with a familiar plot. But many more are culprits of "plot lineage" and "character clones".

Now I'll defend Nathan Drake with my life and that's why I see it only fair to defend the polished titles in Hollywood (such as Avatar). Sure they wreak of repetitious plots and corny and cliched happy endings but I can say the same for many games. Perhaps these movie producer's/director's claims are spiteful and ill-intentioned. But I believe that in all fairness that recognizing one's own deficiencies and one's relations to another will inspire both parties to learn from the other's mistakes.

Or maybe I'm just rambling and possibly delusional? :)



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Lawless SXE
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 2:08:11 AM

No you're right on Drake. I always thought he was that dude from the Mummy. He even looks a little like Brendan Fraser.
Peace.

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FxTales
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 12:30:59 AM
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I found myself re-evaluating movies and I had a little chuckle because I found that I don't anticipate movies like I do games anymore.

Videogames are my number one form of entertainment, movies have taken second place for a while now.

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Robochic
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 12:47:03 AM
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I find alot of movies are based on great books but once the movie they screw around with stuff to make it more political correct and just screw it all up, that why I stick to games, old movies, and reading books.

Steven Speilburg use to be great what the hell is going on lately he's making a movie about a horse now??? Ron Howard I love his movies, and Jimmy Stewart in harvey is just amazing.

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FxTales
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 12:57:32 AM

That's true, book to movie adaptions, though they sometimes work, can more often than not ruin it. One series I read is being adapted into a film....starring Katherine Heigl. She's in fricken everything.

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PSN French
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 1:22:24 AM
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I wouldn't worry about an industry that puts out titles like "Titanic 2"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1640571/

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Ergi
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 2:44:06 AM
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Indeed, because I have never ever felt more alive than when I was watching Prince of persia.

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___________
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 3:24:54 AM

you mean asleep?
or was that a hint of sarcasm i was detecting?

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MyWorstNightmar
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 1:53:54 PM

SPOILER ALERT!!! Do not read __________'s post below this comment if you have not scene INCEPTION yet. Doofus ruins the end scene.

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___________
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 3:24:09 AM
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oh god that idiot really pissed me off!
PoP is one of the boringest most emotionless movies i have ever seen!
so to hear this idiot say games cant do drama is just ridiculous!
how much you want to bet he has never played a game?

PoP is dramatic, but games like heavy rain are not?
never has a movie made me cry, never has a movie made me felt like i was the character and made me feel how the character would feel.
games have done that multiple times too me, the endings of heavy rain for instance, one in particular really got to me.
or even the ending of MGS4.
or even about a quarter of the way through AC2 which causes ezio to seek revenge.

im sorry but there are multiple games out there that are far, far, FAR! more dramatic than that crap they call PoP the forgotten sands!

you want a good movie, go see inception!
its got nothing to do with drama, obviously but its by far one of the best movies ive seen in a long, long time!
better than the dark night even, and thats saying allot because i really loved the dark night!
it really makes you wonder, what a true thriller should.
and that twist at the end, the thimble still spinning hinting hes still in a dream.
come on that was just a cheap shot!
BRILLIANT! movie, by far one of the best ive ever seen!
we dont have any where near enough movies like it.
introduce a concept, than get the audience to contemplate it, is it possible?
what would happen if it is?
really lets your mind run wild!

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WolfCrimson
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 5:11:52 AM

Watch "The Green Mile".

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Underdog15
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 9:18:04 AM

Yeah, I would say MOST movies are crap, mostly because of the sheer volume of movies out there, but there are some incredible gems out there too. Green Mile is a great example. Also, the Truman Show, Shawshank Redemption, Forest Gump, etc. There are definitely some artistic and moving productions out there.

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___________
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 9:45:02 AM

seen the green mile, shawshank i loved FANTASTIC! movie!
id say my favorite 4 movies this gen regardless of genre are
1 inception.
2 the dark night.
3 the departed.
4 american ganster i think it was called.
it stared Russle crow as a cop, cant remember the other main characters were but i really enjoyed that one too!

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Jawknee
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 11:45:26 AM

American Gangster would have been good if it didn't feel so damn long. Long movies are fine if they keep you entertained for the duration but American Gangster failed in that area.

Take Apocolypto for example, 2 hour plus movie, felt like 15 minutes because the movie was entertaining from start to finish.

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MyWorstNightmar
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 1:52:09 PM

__________, what are you thinking??? You give away the ending of Inception to those who haven't scene it yet?
I've scene it, and it was great, but I am not about to give away major plot twists for those who happen to read my post.
To quote Charleton Heston..."Damn You!!!"...I won't finish the rest of that quote, as I don't wish that upon you.

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Vivi_Gamer
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 2:24:01 PM

send him to the chair >:(

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snypa_69
Monday, August 02, 2010 @ 6:24:40 AM

Hahahahahaha. You gave away the ending?!?!?!
Are you juast an a**hole or did you do that by accident?? Cant believe it! If i hadnt seen it and i had read your post i woulda kicked off badly. But instead i get to laugh!! hahahahahaha.

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Vivi_Gamer
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 3:55:12 AM
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I would just like to say this, I think the film industrry over the last couple of years has actually been on the uprise, i have been to the cinema A LOT and i have only came out disapointed once or twice. Even this summer we have had a great line up with INCEPTION, Toy Story 3, Eclipse (It's good get over it boys), Predators.

When it comes to the opinions like what we got yesterday, yes i completely disagree with them. Games nowadays certainly contain emotion, it can be classed as a form of entertainement just as music and film. I'm not going to dismiss either becuase like in anyform of media you get your good and your bad.

If i am honest i did not think much of E3 at all. i hope the TGS has more t offer, i'm only looking forward to Assassins Creed: Brotherhood and Dead Space 2.

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Underdog15
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 9:23:28 AM

I didn't watch Eclipse. I gave the first two a chance because my wife's a fan. I got her to go see Eclipse with a friend. There's nothing to get over. It's bad acting, and yes... it's bad writing too. The only thing I could not get over how mind-numbing it is.

I know alot of people here hate Roger Ebert, but I think he summed up Twilight perfectly!

"The “Twilight” movies are chaste eroticism to fuel adolescent dreams, and are really about Bella being attracted and titillated and aroused and tempted up to the … very … brink! … of surrender, and then, well, no, no, she shouldn’t. "

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Highlander
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 9:35:06 AM

Don't forget the allure of the forbidden to go along with everything else you stated, not to mention the ennui or angst of being 'young'.

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Underdog15
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 9:37:42 AM

ha! Ah yes... teenage angst... The source of all drama! that is.... at least at the youth centre where I work...

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Highlander
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 11:43:59 AM

Teenage (and even young adult, because many 20-somethings are no more mature than their teen friends) angst is big business these days. We want kids to grow up fast, but we want them to remain immature longer. So kids that are 5-6 years old act like teenagers did when I was younger, but 20-somethings act like teenagers did when I was younger too. They stop growing as people in their teen years and have a very difficult time transitioning into adult-hood. Hollywood knows this and panders to it.

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Snaaaake
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 4:11:27 AM
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Games has already surpassed movies when it comes to profit and popularity.

Remember Iron Man back in 2008?
Analyst actually thinks that GTAIV will harm Iron Man's sale instead of the other way around.

MW2(yea I know it's not the best game ever) was the biggest entertainment launch EVER!!

If Hollywood is smart then this year they'll know any blockbuster movies shall not release anywhere near CoD Black Ops and Gran Turismo 5.

Game simply has overtaken movies and the naysayers are just whining to cover that up.

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RadioHeader
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 4:55:01 AM
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Why so insecure? Movies can deliver their story in a neat little 1 1/2 hour package, games can't. Games are interactive, movies aren't. The two industries aren't really competing - only in the sense of our time and money.

To me, their petty jabs are irrelevant. I pay no more attention than I would if writers began trashing the music industry.

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dante_zero
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 6:16:36 AM
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it's a bizzare situation because ben is right the movie industry does seem to be heading backwards while gaming moves consistently forward.
It's surprising that movie industry doesnt seem to want to talk too much about were its heading and how it plans to safe guard it's self in the future i mean surely they must have some idea of where it's heading because if the lack of foresight continues then they really will sufer.
I mean i always thought there were options like virtual cinema's etc but it does seem hollywood wants to hinder their oppertunitys to co exsist with the gaming industry.

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JackC8
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 7:55:02 AM
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Agree with you 100% Ben. I've got about 300 DVD's, and I'd be surprised if more than 20 of them were from Hollywood. I could go on and on about my negative opinions of Hollywood, but suffice it to say I probably spend a $500 on games for every $10 I spend on Hollywood's product.

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Phoelix
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 8:44:36 AM
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This is an opportunity for us to be civil about the entire ordeal and not flame back. I think that's the most appropriate response to these guys: nothing.

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Underdog15
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 9:36:09 AM

Here here!

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Hawkeye
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 10:12:07 AM
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Really? Really? You guys all get on the defensive about one guy's comments? What's the percentage of hollywood people (whoever they are) making ignorant, negative comments about video games?

Who really cares what one or two b-directors say? Come on, relax. So what if the number one movie was Hot Tub Time Machine? It's entertainment. You talk as if EVERY game is highly intellectual and filled with deeply themed plots. The truth is there are as many, if not more, mind numbing games as movies. Not every game can be Uncharted and not every movie can be Casablanca.

And Ben you're doing the exact same thing as this director has done you wrote "I see about one new movie a year and I don't feel as if I'm missing out on a damn thing (maybe it's because I read too much)" That line alone is rife with ignorance and contempt for a whole industry... And that Ben, is exactly what you are accusing these hollywood types of doing.

There are still a lot of good movies and a lot of good games. I'm willing to bet Ben if you did as much research into movies as you do video games you'd be surprised with what you find.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 10:16:18 AM

Tell you what. I'll read that when you actually read what I wrote.

Your very first sentence proves you read the title, MY first line, and then tried to act superior.

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Hawkeye
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 10:32:24 AM

Well, Ben, in this article you linked to another article of yours where you did talk about one specific director's comments. That, in my opinion, makes my comments valid.

As for acting superior, I wasn't trying to. I just tried to take a moderate tone, suggesting both games and movies have wonderful efforts and, not so wonderful efforts.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 10:52:57 AM

Saying I'm "rife with ignorance" is hardly a moderate tone. And if I say multiple times in the article that I constantly hear crap from multiple Hollywood members, maybe it isn't a good idea to base your entire complaint around the incorrect belief that I'm referring to one person's comments.

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Hawkeye
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 11:02:27 AM

I drew a distinction with that 'rife with ignorance' sentence, in which I referred to the line, not you.

If this is an opinion piece, then you are free to write your opinion... just don't be surprised when it reads as a bit hypocritical to some.

If this is a journalistic piece, then you should also be looking for examples of when hollywood types praise games.

http://m.gamepro.com/articles/ps3/features/hollywood-actors-describe-voice-acting-in-games/213429/

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/hollywood-director-praises-heavy-rain

Just a thought.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 11:05:55 AM

Of course it's an editorial. It's not about comparing what this person said to what that person said. It's the general feel I continually get from the industry; a feel everyone other than you seems to understand and recognize.

Movies are in my face all the time. They can't not be if you're alive on this planet. Games are hardly in the faces of movie people all the time; they have no idea what's out there, while it's real hard for me NOT to know.

Can you be done now?

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Highlander
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 11:41:48 AM

To be fair Hawkeye, the piece is clearly an opinion editorial. Also you say that not every movie can be Casablanca, and not every game can be Uncharted. Clearly not. But Casablanca is nearly 60 years old, and Uncharted 2 is just about a year old. Are you really saying that Hollywood hasn't matched the human drama in Casablanca in the last 60 years?

Obviously not. but I do feel Ben's opinion is largely valid. Many of Hollywood's greatest film makers are ignorant when it comes to games, this can be seen both in the way that video gamers and games themselves are depicted and used by movies, as well as the way in which several high profile directors have consciously tried to (and failed to) tap into the gamer audience.

Making a game is a different process to making a movie. A movie is a self contained two hour product that tells a story from start to finish. It has to be paced differently, and action movies in particular have to be very quick in establishing characters, back stories and motivations. To say that because it's a movie it is deeper than a game ignores the fact that a game can develop a character over a duration 5-10 times that of a movie.

Not only that, but many games are open ended, and have non-linear story and character arcs within the main narrative. Movies have to be (by their nature) a single linear narrative. Even a movie like Pulp fiction which skips back and forth along a timeline with multiple character story threads ultimately uses that technique to tell a story that is linear and follows from one even to the next.

What I don't understand is why you attack Ben so virulently. Ben has never said movies can't do human drama, but he's perfectly correct to point to main stream entertainment movies like Hot Tub Time machine and point out that they don't do much to show human drama. The majority of movies today are about the spectacle of the action or effects, or about big laughs and smaller giggles. They're not typically about the human condition, they're not typically full of pathos or character driven drama. I mean come on, the fashion for torture porn did nothing to illuminate the human condition, did it? Do the Twilight movies really do anything other than paint a ludicrous picture of confused youths trying to avoid dealing with issues told through the premise of vampiric or lycanthrpic transformation which is clearly intended to parallel the transformation from youth to adult, from innocence to maturity? And yet does it in such a trivial, 'fluff' driven manner?

Movies like Casablanca are genius, and stand the test of time, but a lot of those movies were not made with the though of being huge cinematic milestones. they are a product of their time. A time when drama mattered more than action or effects or nudity, or violence. A time when dialog, story, and acting mattered more than stunts and shouting swear words.

Well, whatever, It seems like you're trying to defend Hollywood as if Ben said the logical equivalent of games good, hollywood evil. He didn't say that, and no amount of argument from you will make his words take on that meaning.

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FatherSun
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 12:10:04 PM

It is the trend that has us on the defensive, and some on the offensive. "Games are not art.", "Games cannot portray drama." These statements are false. If the individuals making the statements based them on opinion then we would have no argument. But the context used does not indicate it as such. We obviously Love gaming. Any attack against our preferred form of entertainment will cause an alarm.

Relax.. Its not that serious. In 5 years we will look back at all this and laugh.

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packersfan66
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 2:09:40 PM

Ben's doing exactly what this guy did though, Ben pointed out Hot Tub Time Machine as the number 1 product.
Well I'm sure this guy considers COD the number 1 product. When we all know that Uncharted, MGS, Heavy Rain etc. were all some of the most emotionally enticing pieces of entertainment we ever came across.
There are definitely better products out there than Hot Tub Time Machine, but I think it's fair to say that COD online caters to the "brain-dead masses" (as Ben puts it) just as much as any movie out there.
And hey, maybe Mike Newell knew about all the other games, and i guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion, whatever.

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Underdog15
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 2:14:07 PM

Hello. My name is Chris. I have a degree in Theatre Arts, and I endorse Ben's article.

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Underdog15
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 2:16:42 PM

@tommccrossin

Yes, but, Ben's point.... *sigh*

is that Mr. Newell basing a large part of his opinion on a game like CoD is the same as us basing our opinion of movies on Hot Tub Time Machine.

It's not about how Hot Tub Time Machine is the best movies have to offer... it clearly isn't.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 2:26:40 PM

Something you're forgetting, Tom, and it's crucial: a product like Hot Tub Time Machine would NEVER BE #1 in the gaming industry. Crap doesn't sit atop the charts. It never has. This industry rewards quality.

And because only stupid stuff seems to sell in Hollywood, they must continue to make their millions so they have to keep producing stupidity. I'm not necessarily condemning them for that, either.

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packersfan66
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 2:31:43 PM

Haha that point's true enough, i agree.

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Jeej
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 2:56:42 PM

Ben, blaming Hollywood for the success of movies like Hot Tub Time Machine is placing the blame on the wrong people. Yes Hollywood made the movie, but the masses watched it and told their friends to go see it. And spending $12 on a movie ticket and a night out is a different situation than spending $65+ on a game (not to mention the initial cost of the gaming system), so people are more apt to throw their money away on a crap movie than a crap game.

While I admit that there are a lot of bad movies made, there are a lot of bad games made too - Naughty Bear for example - one that had lots of hype and no substance.

One could argue that while the production quality may be better in a game like GTA, the purpose is mindless entertainment - the same as Hot Tub Time Machine, and while GTA lasts 5 times as long, it also costs 5 times as much. I call that a wash.

You are in a position where you, for lack of a better term, are required to look at / play a number of new gaming titles and will occasionally find a diamond in the rough, so to speak. Only seeing one new movie a year severely limits your experience with new films, making it difficult for you to accurately judge, in my opinion the quality that is out there.

So, ripping on Hollywood people for putting down the gaming industry without knowing what's there, is different from ripping Hollywood without watching movies how?

Only question I have is are you the pot or the kettle?

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Underdog15
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 3:32:31 PM

@Jeej

Again... it's about how Mr. Newell looks at a game like CoD and basis his opinion of games on that just the same is if we look at Hot Tub Time Machine and base our opinion of movies on that...

It's not a wash, because the issue isn't about how much money is spent on what movie. I don't like the GTA series, but it takes more than 5 hours, I'm sure as most games do.

Now, as for me, I feel I do have the expertise to say that video games do indeed have dramatic elements. I spent 4 years obtaining a degree in theatre. I know dramatic art when I see it. And I'm telling you... Ben makes some extremely valid points.

I also recognize that Hot Tub Time Machine is crap. It isn't even that funny. Not to me, anyways. I also recognize that MW2, a top selling game, has a tremendous amount of flaws. However, you can't judge an entire stream of entertainment by those titles. That's Ben's point. How can I make this clear....

HE NEVER SAID MOVIES ARE SOMEHOW NOT A RELEVANT WORK OF ART OR DRAMA!

He is merely addressing the fact that Mr. Newell is uneducated. And yes... Ben not seeing more than 1 new movie a year does limit his opinion of movies... but that's his point! Ben doesn't discredit movies just because he doesn't see many movies. He fully understands there are amazing works of drama and art in movies. But it's not his entertainment of choice. However, Mr. Newell is doing just that.

And THAT, my friend, is the point of the article should you read it thoroughly.

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Scarecrow
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 6:33:08 PM

Gotta love how people either don't read the article or don't understand the point of the article.

Video games = growth
Movies = decline

Furthermore, the "game's can't produce human emotions" statement is the other part.

Hollywood is whining, gaming is not.

PS: Some of you need to learn how to read an article. It's easy, consider going back to school or something.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 8:39:01 PM

Jeej: I know what Hollywood produces. As I said, it's in my face every day on TV. And if you really think I'm the only one who feels continually insulted by Hollywood products, you're wrong.

There's also a hell of a lot more than one "diamond in the rough" in gaming. You can call it what you want and you can defend what you wish; Hollywood is in no position to bash games, which many movie people do on a frequent basis. If you feel like proving that incorrect somehow, rather than harping on Hollywood's quality as if that was REALLY my point, be my guest.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 8:41:02 PM

Anyone notice how those who cause problems or who seek to act superior by proving everyone wrong just recently signed up to do so...?

Jeej post count: 1.

...yeah. And it's REALLY funny when they never read a word of the article, because that isn't required in certain hellhole forums.

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packersfan66
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 10:07:32 PM

.. i didn't get the memo movies were on the decline anyway. Can anyone give me something other than personal opinion on this. Like i don't know, fact.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 11:31:32 PM

Christ. Try watching the classics and watching what we have now.

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packersfan66
Saturday, July 31, 2010 @ 8:06:54 AM

Personal Opinion?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, July 31, 2010 @ 10:58:27 AM

No, it's not. Fact.

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Underdog15
Saturday, July 31, 2010 @ 9:25:43 PM

Tomm... are you really going to try to argue otherwise? That's a tough undertaking. Instead of posting lame 2 word posts in the form of an interrogative, why don't you sum up your thoughts in full sentences so we have something to talk about as opposed to being on the defense from uninformed attacks?

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Jeej
Tuesday, August 03, 2010 @ 9:51:13 AM

Ben: I’m sorry that new readers who feel compelled to participate are such a burden to you and the site – increasing readership must be a real pain. And while I may be a new reader with only one previous post, that does not mean I don’t intend to contribute further in the future. And I did read the article. Three times in fact. And the one you referenced.
The FACT is that while Hollywood may not be producing the number of human drama movies that it used to (at least on a percentage basis), the vast majority of games do not even attempt to do it. As a matter of fact, while I have not read every review you have done in the last 3 months, I have read most, and none of the reviews have mentioned the human element. And while Mike Newell may not be known for movies thick with the “human drama”, the games he is referencing really don’t even attempt to do it.
Games are (mostly) measured using different metrics than movies – playability, graphics, sound, features (especially in the ever growing number of sequels / follow-ups), whereas some people expect every movie to have human drama and a great script, including flawless dialogue. If the same metrics are used, the classics suck and while Hot Tub Time Machine would not be a great one, it would still rank higher than Casablanca and Both Hulk movies would have been awesome, instead virtually everyone in the world will tell you that Casablanca is one of the greatest movies ever and the other three are mindless drivel. Even those that enjoyed them will admit they are mindless.
And seeing previews and clips on TV is not the same as seeing the entire movie – that would be like comparing playing a game to seeing an ad for it or seeing the beta. There have been a number of movies with garbage previews that turned out to be good movies and ones with previews that made the movie seem way better than it was, just as there are Betas that suck and the game turns out to be good, or initial looks that make a game appear to be ground breaking and they bomb.
My point however was not about any of this, and if that was unclear, than I apologise. My point was more that while Hollywood may have no right to bash the gaming industry (a point I agree with by the way), those in the gaming industry that are not well versed in movies should not bash Hollywood. Your main point is valid, but starting in the third paragraph you start to malign Hollywood for a movie that was meant to be mindless, similar to a game like Joe Danger (a game you gave a 9.2 overall rating) and while Hot Tub Time Machine may not be the best ever made, it obviously was well received by the public. Why can a mindless game be worth getting, but a mindless movie can’t be worth seeing?
That was what I was getting at – mindless is mindless and both industries do a lot of it. The public decides what it wants and both industries then make more of what works. They’d be foolish not to. So while movie execs shouldn’t be bashing gaming without playing games first, gamers should bash movies for doing something that games frequently do, especially when they don’t watch the movies to begin with.

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Jeej
Tuesday, August 03, 2010 @ 9:57:25 AM

@Underdog15

The last 1/2 of the article is about how Hot Tub Time Machine was a number one movie and the movie industry is crap. Maybe not the main point of the article, but it gets as much space as the rest. To quote the article (that apparently you didn’t read thoroughly):

“In fact, I'm willing to bet you're losing a lot of talent to our industry because you insist on turning out trash, and we can actually use fresh creativity, artistry, choreography, direction, etc.”

That, to me, is discrediting movies and the movie industry …

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packersfan66
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 1:52:29 PM
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Really though, this is a bit over-exaggerated. I understand the guy's argument, I don't agree with it. But this article goes on a rant about all of "Hollywood". I'm sure "Hollywood" wouldn't want to be represented by Mike Newell anyway. Ask one of it's most prominent and respected actors, Liam Neeson who did Fallout

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Underdog15
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 3:35:22 PM

lol just some fun here...

"Over-exaggerated" is a little reduntantly reduntant. ^.^

:P

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Scarecrow
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 6:36:21 PM

"I'm sure "Hollywood" wouldn't want to be represented by Mike Newell anyway."

You work at Hollywood, right?

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packersfan66
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 10:07:44 PM

was that supposed to be funny.

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Underdog15
Saturday, July 31, 2010 @ 9:22:25 PM

I dunno. Is your avatar supposed to be funny? because.....

Last edited by Underdog15 on 7/31/2010 9:22:38 PM

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VicTheMighty
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 2:46:25 PM
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Bah there will always be retards in society. And now we know even a retard can make a movie.

Seriously though I bet not all people in Hollywood think the same just like I bet some gamers don't consider movies as entertainment anymore lol. Weirdos on both sides if you ask me.

I say make me dictator and i'll chop some heads :D No more ranting or b*ll*hi**ing in my country! Mu u hahaha. But yeah the louder they bark the weaker they are ( or so some dood said to me ) So let him bark and tremble till he drowns in his own pee :D screw the Hollywood haters!

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Scarecrow
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 6:44:25 PM

You'd wipe out 99% of the West's population

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F302Pilot
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 4:28:24 PM
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I rarely watch movies now days,the only movies am looking forward to see is Transformers 3 and Indiana Jones 5

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Alienange
Friday, July 30, 2010 @ 6:08:14 PM
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Red Dead Redemption is better than anything Hollywood has put in the past twenty years so listening to their ranting isn't really necessary.

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Zorigo
Saturday, July 31, 2010 @ 6:56:31 AM
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Nobody thinks about the theatre. man the west end is brilliant, 39 Steps was sooo funny.

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snypa_69
Monday, August 02, 2010 @ 6:35:56 AM
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Why is everyone comparing MW2 to Hot tub time machine??
Its so not the same kettle of fish!! :-(
I reckon it deserves to be the highest grossing ever!! Whereas hot tub time machine is not highest grossing, it was just number 1 for a while. But it is pretty funny!! lol.
P.s Ben i did read article.... Blinder :-)
Just trying to stop the CoD hatred :-) lol.

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