Hey Square-Enix: Final Fantasy Versus XIII Is Your Last Chance

Riku994
Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 10:12:04 PM
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I am so with you on this one Ben. I like how we generally have the same taste in RPGs.

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Zemus101
Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 10:12:46 PM
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Excellent post Ben, I've been thinking this for a few years now I think. For me FFXI was the last Square game I have enjoyed (and for about 6 years at that) now FFXIV looks to be really great, love how it's back to it's old fantasy and exploration roots. I'm sure there's high technology thrown in there somewhere, but it's not obviously the main plot point like it has been recently.

Also, Just want to mention a few of my favorites from yesteryear that don't get mentioned often enough. Chrono Cross, Parasite Eve, and Front Mission 3. We could definitely use these on the PS Store! Please? No? Dang...

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Snaaaake
Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 10:15:08 PM
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Depending on the final product, this may be my last Square Enix game.

Does Square Enix's free-falling have anything to do with Saka's departure?

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CHAOS THEORY X
Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 10:23:18 PM
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One...last...chance. They need to listen to their fans, well any that are left...

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sunspider13
Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 10:27:13 PM
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Well I'm still waiting for Einhander 2, but we all know that won't happen. One of my friends will be getting FFV:XIII so I'll make my decision then. Miss SquareSoft.

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Lawless SXE
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 2:37:11 AM

Would they not called that Zweihander? *walks away nonchalantly after realising what I said was ridiculously stupid.*
Peace.

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Fabi
Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 10:28:05 PM
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Well that makes sense, but then again, that game isn't coming out for another like 3 years, so that's a huge window of opportunity to drop like 3 or 4 other games to make up for the lack of quality.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 10:30:48 PM

yeah but they will all be portable titles.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 10:30:08 PM
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I'm with you on this too Ben, have been for a while. XIII was cool, but a massive letdown. XII wasn't bad, but I wanted the old battle system back. We sorta got something similar, but lost all towns and exploration. I will get Versus, but I expect a lot, and maybe I shouldn't, but I feel justified.

This could bleed into another article though Ben, take a look around you, when this gen has there been a major success that defines the generation or the genre? JRPGs are dying or being watered down, the top selling FPS (MW2) is miles and miles behind the biggest technological achievement in FPS thus far (Killzone 2), fighting games are fun but aren't breaking any new ground. Even the GOTY and best TPS of all time (Uncharted 2) isn't burning up the charts like the lesser games out there (Gears of War).

So, apparently this gen quality isn't rewarded with the best sales, mediocrity is. I bet SE is fully happy with all the money they made on the FF name alone in XIII and don't even care that people thought it was a poor FF.

The behavior of the masses this gen confuse me and is dubious at best.

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frostface
Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 10:51:21 PM

This mediocrity you mentioned worries me too with the Resistance franchise. I worry for the third instalment and it having to compete with whatever CoD or Battlefield that comes out that year.
I have no doubt R3 will be fantastic but will it be justly rewarded or will its sales pale in comparison to another MW or CoD clone?
As for FFXIII, I got it recently, it's my first FF and although I'm enjoying it, I've put it down for a few days and now browse over the case when I'm looking for something I actually want to play. I'd love to be able to compare it with other releases from the franchise but it's all I have to go on and it's good but not great.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 11:00:33 PM

Well, I agree to some extent but that's not 100% accurate. You may say games like Gears or Modern Warfare 2 are "mediocre" but in reality, we both know they aren't. They're excellent. They may not lead the pack, but one can hardly say that mediocrity reigns. To say that would imply that games that receive 5s and 6s can sell like mad...but those NEVER do.

No, in this industry, great games really do sell. We haven't reached the point of the movie industry where trash is the only thing that sells tickets; it's still basically the reverse in gaming. If the game scores a 9 or above, it's a guaranteed million-seller (at least). The best games of the generation are, for the most part, the best sellers. And when we say "best," we do have to include the likes of Gears and MW2 (if only for the multiplayer concerning the latter).

Hey, Heavy Rain can sell 2 million+, and it looks like it will, and the best of the best - Killzone 2, God of War III, Uncharted 2, Metal Gear Solid 4, Assassin's Creed II, Red Dead Redemption, GTAIV, Gears 2, etc. - still sell millions each, and make the developers and publishers money. I love this. I hope it never changes.

But as far as JRPGs go, you're right. It's so depressing to see them all turn into action/RPGs or WRPGs just because they had to kill turn-based. :(

Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 8/19/2010 11:02:18 PM

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Snaaaake
Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 11:00:45 PM

"Why make something great when good sells better?"

That is the mindset of everyone now.

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Victor321
Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 11:03:30 PM

That's exactly what I had mind, Snaaaake.

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Highlander
Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 11:04:25 PM

Ben,

Your final paragraph...

"But as far as JRPGs go, you're right. It's so depressing to see them all turn into action/RPGs or WRPGs just because they had to kill turn-based."

Why did they "have to kill turn-based"? Why? I have heard no rational, logical or plausible explanation for that at all. I know we are not the developers so anything we say is pure conjecture, but have you ever wondered why they killed it? More specifically, why did it get killed on the home consoles, but not the hand held consoles?

I wish that we could have an interview with a good JRPG developer and ask them to explain why turn based has been essentially killed this generation.

@Snake,

You're right, but that way lies mediocrity.

Last edited by Highlander on 8/19/2010 11:09:44 PM

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main_event05
Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 11:32:53 PM

@ Highlander. I can pull a few strings and see if that can get some other strings pulled. but i'm not promising anything

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 11:39:26 PM

I'll attempt to clarify. Maybe Gears was a bad choice as it does push it's own respective platform, but let's take the multiplats like MW2. I'm not saying it isn't fun or that it didn't deserve its scores, but let's face it, it was no leap forward, not in graphics, not in AI, not in gameplay, perhaps in multiplayer. Killzone 2 had superior graphics, sound, AI, and in my opinion more realistic gameplay (how important realism is is up to the consumer) and yet it falls well short in sales to the more mediocre of the two.

My basic point is in this particular generation, the games that really define genius and push the platform like Uncharted 2 did just aren't the massive success that the lesser games are. Look at how great, unique, and rarely addicting inFamous was, and it still can't touch some rehash like the Halo series in sales.

All of this, plus the fact that mediocre games are pushed by the media strictly because they remain 360 exclusive (Crackdown 2) has rendered this generation ass backwards in terms of rewarding hard working devs. Why make a great story and explorable world in an RPG when clearly what sells is having one direction to go and fast paced action? Why make a sequel look and perform better when you can reskin the whole thing and sell it again?
Why develop for both platforms when a cheap, crappy port will cost less?

You get the idea. Heavy Rain selling 2 million is awesome, but what hope do we have for the future when that kind of quality rakes in a great deal less money than some reskinned, rehashed, pop culture phenomenon?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 12:12:26 AM

World: I think as long as developers like Quantic Dream, Sucker Punch, and Naughty Dog keep making money with their bar-setting games, we'll be okay. They don't need to sell a zillion copies like MW2; they just need to sell enough for Sony to say to the team, "yes, make another." Uncharted 2 sold 5 million copies (I think) and considering it was only available on one platform, that's pretty amazing. Remember that MW2 is available to 75 million people in the console world, while Heavy Rain, inFamous, etc. is only available to less than half that number.

I know what you're saying about lesser titles (in comparison) being more popular, but perhaps what we have to worry about even more is the rise of casual gamers, who will buy anything they're told to buy and only watch advertisements instead of reading reviews. When gaming used to be all 90% hardcore avid gamers, most everyone who participated knew just about everything there was to know; they couldn't be fooled by ads (even if there were any on TV at the time).

This is the biggest problem, IMO.

Highlander: As I understand it, they will say the reason they used turn-based in the first place is because they didn't have the technology/processing power to produce real-time combat with the depth of a true RPG. Now that we do, there's no reason to be pausing stuff. That's the mentality.

Of course, I've never once bought into that, and I will always maintain that turn-based requires a level of strategy and thought that can (if it's deep enough) eclipse anything in the real-time realm. In truth, it was a lot like crossing strategy with regular fighting; we would think two, three, four moves in advance. Real-time is all about the "now" and the "in the moment"...which, as I'm sure you've noticed, is the motto this planet has adopted- instant gratification.

Plus, factor in the rise of the casuals and the twitchers, and the overall decline of patience and attention spans in the populace (perhaps especially amongst gamers), and maybe they're right. Maybe there is no room for turn-based anymore.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 12:18:12 AM

Totally agree on the turn based stuff. So far Sony has been cool about not cowtowing to the masses, I just kind of worry. Massive sales aren't everything, but the influence of the mass-market-appeal is definitely changing genres that were formerly completely separate. Watering them down in my opinion.

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Highlander
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 12:18:40 AM

Ben,

"Plus, factor in the rise of the casuals and the twitchers, and the overall decline of patience and attention spans in the populace (perhaps especially amongst gamers), and maybe they're right. Maybe there is no room for turn-based anymore. "

If that is the case, then you and I are dinosaurs my friend.

@worlds,

When big games have budgets that put individual game projects among the world's bigger corporate units, you can bet that corporate thinking will take hold. Fortunately there are the indie developers who are developing for PSN, unfortunately I don't see any of them working for a couple of years to produce a turn based master-piece.

Perhaps the only thing to do is to let the game companies know that no matter the reasons for turn based being used in the first place, we as gamers do still want the old turn based system. They need to understand (and I agree with Ben on this) that even if the excuse about processing power is true, turn based brings a totally different dimension of strategy and planning. It's that dimension that we want back.

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Snaaaake
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 12:34:24 AM

I still can't get over the fact that PS3 exclusive only had MGS4 and UC2 selling 5 million.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 12:51:25 AM

Trust me, Highlander, we are.

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Highlander
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 1:32:57 AM

*Sigh* In that case, I call Tyrannosaurus, if I'm going to be a dinosaur, I might as well be one that is feared. ;)

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coverton341
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 11:23:58 AM

Can I weigh in on this....and call Stegosauras (that spiky tail was awesome)

I see what world is saying, in a way. The top selling games are great games, but not technology pushers. Technology pushing games are decent sellers, but if this kind of trend continues developers and publishers will be less inclined to push boundaries and more inclined to push units. Businesses follow the money after all. I do agree with Ben though in the fact that if AAA developers make games that sell decent then Sony will green light more games in those franchises and from those developers. Sony seems to care about the money, but also give an ear to what fans want. Sucker Punch also seems to give clout to fan voice. Just look at the old new Cole design.

On the issue with turn based going out the window, Ben makes a great point. I'm about to speak in generalities, don't shoot me. We seem to be in a new mentality where we have to have it right now. Fast food sales eclipse grocery store tickets, people get up at 4 am to grab their starbucks because they can't be arsed to make it at home, we Tivo because we can't sit through commercials, we can't take the time to go to blockbuster for a movie night in so we Netflix instant queue it, gimme gimme now now. More children are diagnosed with ADHD, ODD, and an assortment of other ailments which in a high number of cases is a misdiagnosis for "can't sit still" syndrome. Youtube videos. Ever notice how if you go to youtube and the video is ten minutes long, the general max for a youtube video, that you immediately sigh and click soomething else, or speed through it to find the key points? TEN MINUTES!

Okay, enough with the generalities, I know that most of us here aren't like that. This community seems to be a little more patient and a little older. Even the younger members here seem to have a level of maturity that is higher than most twitch and casual gamers. But, overall it seems we can't sit still and hence how well would a turn based RPG sell these days? I know I would buy one but I wouldn't play it often because as I age I somehow lose hours in the day. I know a lot of gamers our age don't have time to play lengthy games either and would just pass on it.

Wow, sorry, I didn't mean that to get so ranty and lengthy. I'm done. Back to hiding. Bye.

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Highlander
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 2:13:50 PM

@Coverton aka Stegosaurus...

Great points. I have one though to add about what you're saying about finding time to play long games. I personally have purchased far more games in this generation than I ever did on my PS2 or PS1. Perhaps it's not so much that we have too much choice, and so we don't play long games through to the end unless they can be completed before we feel like we need to play something else to catch up? Personally I'd rather buy fewer games that have longer play times, but I bet that publishers wouldn't prefer that...

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 2:30:06 PM

coverton: I'll go with all of that, especially that part about the generalities. :)

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Highlander
Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 10:44:20 PM
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For me, I have already downgraded SE, they have no cache to me at all, no special stuff, they are just another developer who has - this generation - been quite disappointing.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 11:41:46 PM

The tumble into mediocrity has taken many devs down a peg this gen. A shame.

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Highlander
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 12:20:37 AM

Indeed, although their tumble has allowed others to shine. Those that have recently tumbled once found their time to shine once upon a time when someone else tumbled. Perhaps that is simply the way of things, a cycle of 'life' as it were?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 12:59:41 AM

Queue the Lion King music. Wait that was Circle of Life ;)

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telly
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 12:07:05 PM

My thoughts exactly. I'm holding out a bit of hope VS. XIII will be a rebound for them, but no way am I getting my hopes way up again. Because with FF XIII, SE pulled the football away at the last second for the last time.

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DARKmark
Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 10:44:45 PM
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Square enix has been a big disappointment for me this generation... man they were legendary back in the day

hopefully FFvsXIII will make up for it

and it better stay exclusive ;)

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shadowscorpio
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 12:18:11 AM

If it doesn't stay exclusive.....

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BikerSaint
Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 11:02:15 PM
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SE...has left the building!

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gumbi
Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 11:04:18 PM
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SE is already down the list for me. They don't have any chances left to retain their status. Now, they have the difficult task of rebuilding that reputation, and restoring my lost faith in them.

Hint for SE; Give us another Legend Of Dragoon!!! Ive been waiting for over a decade. If SE were to announce that they'd immediately shoot back to the top of my list.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 11:42:54 PM

If we ever got any of our old favorite Squaresoft games back, sadly they would return with some cockamamie action based battle system.

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aaronisbla
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 2:41:15 AM

that would be hard for Square Enix to announce since it was sony who made it...

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gumbi
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 9:10:06 AM

@aaronisbla, so it was. I stand corrected. Well that more or less seals it for SE then. Time to pull a rabbit out of that hat, you need it bad.

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aaronisbla
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 2:21:09 PM

as much as i didn't like the game as much as others, i guess it would be cool to see a sequel for it, it would be totally unexpected

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Ayane
Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 11:10:18 PM
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I think PSXtreme really needs to cool it on the Squenix hate. It's starting to get rather unseemly.
Yeah I know, many among the PSXtreme community feel they've been let down by Square, how majorly disappointing they've become and what not.
But seriously...this is probably the one thing that makes PSXtreme feel like those hack websites that it despises.
Sorry Ben, but as professional as you've been all this time in my eyes, I think this is one of the cases where you let your personal tastes and feelings override your sense of objectivity in gaming journalism, and every so often, fan the similar flames among your readers.

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tes37
Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 11:19:43 PM

There's always the option of not reading this or commenting, especially negatively. Somebody has to keep the fire lit under the gamers' butts to nag SE until we get what we know they can deliver.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 11:44:41 PM

Maybe he has let his own feelings in on HIS EDITORIAL, but he isn't alone in this. It isn't nostalgia alone that makes the Squaresoft of yesteryear so great. C'mon man look around at what SE has released this gen and tell me it has the quality it did.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 12:16:51 AM

WHAT objectivity? This is an editorial. Ever read editorials or op-eds in newspapers? Obviously you haven't because if you had, you wouldn't be attacking my/our professionalism. Everyone seems to be getting along just fine.

There's not even any hate involved in this piece. Maybe you should actually try reading what's there, or make some sort of point that relates to the content.

From now on, if people can't find a way to comment on the topic of an article, and only post to attack the site, the post will be deleted. It's technically off-topic. It's also annoying as hell.

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shadowscorpio
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 12:27:50 AM

I'm in total agreement with you Ben.

@Ayane

Psxextreme really doesn't have to cool it on anyone. This is a site with people are ACTUALLY PASSIONATE about everything related to gaming. All Ben did is offer a reaction to what how Square-enix has been this gen as apposed to previous generations. He displayed his personal views on the issue in a perfossional way and as World stated he IS NOT alone in this.

-Case and point.

You're right Ben it is annoying. And it wasn't even towards me.

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kraygen
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 2:21:01 AM

Just another person looking to stir the pot simply to nab that little bit of attention. I think people with inferiority complexes make comments like these just so someone will talk to them.

Like the children who misbehave so their mommies will notice them.

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Lawless SXE
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 2:44:30 AM

In that case Ben, your going to have to delete pretty much all of the Anonymous Cowherds posts. He's never on-topic. I only try to be...
peace.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 10:34:28 AM

Lawless: Yeah, well, I think he has some sort of condition or something.

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telly
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 12:15:32 PM

Genius, IT'S AN EDITORIAL. If you don't know the difference between a news story and an editorial, that's just pathetic. And if you can't be bothered to learn the difference between the two, beat it.

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darxed
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 12:21:23 PM

It's not hate, It's just an invitation to a company to try to find it's way back to the quality their products had once, and never have had again. I was always a huge FFXIII and SE defender, as my posts in this site have shown, even when they announced the multiplatform deal and that all western version for Nier, but one thing is for certain, and that is that there's just not one game developed this gen that can match the quality of games like FFT, and FF VI to X. Also, the thing is in the days of SquereSOFT, you could be sure the Final Fantasies were going to be great, and you could be sure that any other game produced by Square would be at least good, I mean the shear amount of great games that came from square in the PS1 era was incredible, I remember the joy that were Vagrant story and Parasite eve to play. I used to joke with my friends that Square should just let me send them my billing account and send all the games they made to my house, that way it would be faster... I know that Square Enix has delivered some great games this gen, I mean the KH series is pretty good and I enjoyed Dissidia and Crisis Core a lot too, but It's just not the same anymore... Lately I've been looking at Atlus as the new square... hardly any game from them doesn't catch my eye, hardly any game from them (or published by then *Demons Souls*) is not good...

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shadowscorpio
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 12:34:07 PM

@ darxed

Yeah funny how the hardware is a thousand times better than the PSone days yet SE can't match the quality they produced back then. Its like limitations forced them to put heart, innovation, and creativity into making beloved games.

Now its all so easy to make a game 'look' good that they will rely on that for sales, along with the Final Fantasy name.

Thank you Naughty Dog, Santa Monica, and everyone- you know who you are.

No thank you Square-enix.

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Jawknee
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 1:21:03 PM

I really think its time to give Ayane some cheese to go with that Whine.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 2:54:21 PM

Ben,

Pretty soon, you're going to have to put in Bold size 18 font "EDITORIAL: " before every title that's an editorial... You might even have to put in a disclaimer or a description of what an editorial is before people read on... maybe a pop-up even...

Of course, that still won't solve the ppl that don't read anything but the title...

*sigh*

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tes37
Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 11:13:53 PM
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I hope SE delivers an rpg this time around. I don't understand how most developers pay attention to what gamers want, while SE seems to not care. Maybe they're hearing a louder voice from the twitch crowd or something.

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DazeOfWar
Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 11:30:21 PM
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Great post Ben. I have enjoyed some of the JRPGs that have come out in the last few years but none of them have blown me away like they use to. Hell I'm still sluggishly getting through XIII. I've made it to chapter 10 but I've had the game since it came out.

I've actually been playing Wild ARMS more than XIII. Hopefully SE listens and does Versus right for all of us.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 12:14:07 AM

Wild ARMs rules.

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kraygen
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 2:22:47 AM

I'm really glad to hear you say that Ben, because as soon as I finish dark cloud and dark cloud 2, I'm going to start the wild arms series.

I'll have 1 and 2 from psn and I found 3 used for only $4. Altogether that will be about the longest lasting $15 dollars of awesome fun I've ever had.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 2:31:33 PM

Just bear in mind it sort of declines over time. The original is still the best, IMO, and I really liked WA2 as well. But the ones on PS2...meh. Wild ARMs 3, the one with the Western theme, was pretty good, though.

If you haven't done the Suikoden series yet, I'd recommend that. The second best RPG franchise ever next to FF, IMO.

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DazeOfWar
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 8:07:52 PM

Suikoden is actually the next classic I'm gonna play after Wild ARMS. I played part of it back when it came out but never had a chance to finish it. I really loved when you recruited new people it would add new things to your base.

I never played any of the others later in the series so hopefully Sony will release them all on PSN one day.

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SmokeyPSD
Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 11:34:17 PM
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My faith has been completely eroded already.

It is on Square to come back to me, as I've worked away from them. FFXIII was their last chance for me. They went in the complete opposite direction. Leona Lewis and all.

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TheCrazyMerc
Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 11:40:05 PM
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All i want for square enix to do is just make the battle system just like FFVII seriously whats with this Paradigms crap, Seriously just use a damn Phoenix Down and Potions. BTW, Imma get this game if i have money.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 11:47:56 PM
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Sorta off topic, Atlus is jumping ship now too, their next game (which is sort of a Persona game, but not Persona 5) is coming to PS3 and 360. "Catherine" is a kind of test to work on HD consoles.

I sincerely hope Persona 5 doesn't show up with a 360 sticker and shiny new action-based battle system. JRPGs are hurting my head from all the facepalming.

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Snaaaake
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 12:28:20 AM

What do you mean jump ship?
I don't see anything wrong with them developing for the 360 as well, it's a new IP too.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 1:03:32 AM

Formerly Sony exclusive, I don't have a problem with them bringing their games to 360, but I worry for Persona 5. I don't know if you've noticed, but there is a current trend this gen that games which release on both platforms aren't what they once were. While this game is only mildly related to Persona, my worries lie in Atlus deciding that in order to appeal to their new audience, Persona 5 will drop the turn based system like every other JRPG has.

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aaronisbla
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 2:54:19 AM

you lack of faith in Atlus is troubling and imo unfounded... lol

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darxed
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 12:09:20 PM

I don't care if Persona 5 goes to the 360, the more people buy the Shin Megami Tensei games the better, as long as they don't drop the dungeon crawling/dating sim mechanics... Hell I'd even get it If they dropped the turn based combat, although I think something inside me would die a little if they did...

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Sol
Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 11:49:44 PM
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If you lack faith in Square-Enix, at least have faith in Tetsuya Nomura. So far I haven't played a bad game that had his name in it.

BTW I stopped looking specifically for Square titles after I played Unlimited Saga. For me that game was just too bad for words. Since, it has been directly Final Fantasy, or something I might catch wind of that shows promise... or both.

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BikerSaint
Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 11:59:16 PM
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World,
Yeah, I saw the trailer that too.

It's suppose to be an action/adventure game on both, MS & PS3 consoles.

Looked like a lot of "getting it on" sexual anime(sp?) in it too

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 12:13:31 AM

which makes me wonder if it'll come stateside.

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Highlander
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 1:36:30 AM

'sexual anime'??

Hang on, as in lots of bouncy cleavage and occasional glimpses of white cotton panties? Not sure that would amount to more than fan service. Of course I guess it depends on the definition of sexual. Are we talking about actual nudity and what not, or are we talking about characters getting it on off screen (or with one foot on the floor and in separate beds like Hollywood in the 50s). I haven't seen a trailer yet.

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Scarecrow
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 12:00:17 AM
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I've already given up on Squeeeenix

Why even give them a chance when they're going away from their original fanbase?

They're giving us the middle finger, why should we still care?

ATLUS, NIS, AKSYS, etc. those are the ones we should be giving chances to

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 12:14:42 AM

Shouldn't it be Squeenix for Square Eidos Enix?

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Sol
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 12:17:41 AM

When you say "Squeeeenix" I think of a pig that has gotten too fat of of what its been fed and is struggling to stand up against the more fit and aggressive... swine.

In any case, I haven't lost my faith in them yet, though at this point I look to them for enjoyable games instead of downright GHs.
(GreatestHits)

Last edited by Sol on 8/20/2010 12:18:53 AM

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tes37
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 12:33:00 AM

When I look at Square Eidos Enix, I see Squidsex

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 1:04:31 AM

Squidsex is inadvisable in my opinion.

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Highlander
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 1:38:50 AM

The less said about tentacles and sex in the same sentence, the better. Believe me. This does not lead to good things.

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BikerSaint
Saturday, August 21, 2010 @ 12:27:02 AM

Hey Highlander,
OK, took me a while to hunt it back down again, but here's the video.

The Persona like game is called "Cathrine" and although there's no real sex, it's implied that she's on top & you know what they're doing.

The first time I saw it it was only in Japanese and I thought some real weird stuff was going on.
It actually seemed while they were doing it, all he could thinking of doing, was getting it on with sheep instead.

But in the same video that's now been newly subtitled, it all becomes much clearer(either that or I have a latent hidden desire for a woolly time in the hay with a Baaaa-mate)LOL.
Yuk, I hate lamb!!!!

Anyway, first check out the non-subtiled one first & you'll see what I mean.

1. Japanese Debut Trailer

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/japanese-debut-catherine/703245

2. The same Catherine trailer, but now subtitled in English (thanks to a viewer)

http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/catherine-subtitled-trailer/348915

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BikerSaint
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 12:09:44 AM
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I hate to say it, but....

SE is STILL trying to get FFVXIII onto the 360, and the only thing they have to hash out is the restrictions on MS's XBL.

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/final-fantasy-xiv-xbox-360-development-has-paused/

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 12:13:19 AM

That's FFXIV, not FF Versus XIII. :)

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Sol
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 12:23:09 AM

Speaking of XIV, I found out today that if I registered my copy of XIII way earlier instead of waiting and savoring the fact that I got it (By playing Metal Gear Solid 4, Valkyria Chronicles, Tools of Destruction and Monster Hunter Freedom Unite which has over 700 hours of monster hunting progress on it)

... that I could've got a chance to beta test XIV. So sad the realizations that sometimes come to pass.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 1:06:20 AM

I signed up for that Sol, haven't heard a thing since.

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Jawknee
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 1:13:39 AM

Same here. No beta invite.

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johnld
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 2:15:30 AM

im not even going to try to register for that beta because 1. i gotta make an account with square enix (i dont feel its worth all the trouble, yeah its only signing up but still) and 2. i'm not really into final fantasy 14 or MMOs anyway, i mean other than MAG if you count it.

by the way, a new MAG beta for current game owners next week. new weapons,skill tree, 3 faction battles in one map. if you have a copy of mag, you're in. time to hop back into mag.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 2:56:53 PM

yup... i never got an invite either... What a crock that was.

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BikerSaint
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 1:00:30 AM
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OOPS, you're right Ben!

I meant to write FFXIV, but for some reason the other game came to mind.
(add to the fact that I'm not too great with all that roman numeral mumble-jumble either).

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Highlander
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 1:37:57 AM

Mental acuity, first (or is it second) thing to go with age...or was that the hearing? I forget.

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Jawknee
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 1:12:48 AM
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I'm not getting my hopes up so i won't be disappointed if Versus XIII stinks.

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BikerSaint
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 2:28:18 AM

Highlander,
LOL, thanks a nice name for it, but I just call it CRS(Can't Remember Shite) syndrome.

Or it could be because I'm not into real RPG's & there's so many FF's, and spin-offs every which way out there, and I don't really know jack about them(I do Like that cute looking Vanilla though). LOL

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just2skillf00l
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 1:33:54 AM
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Yeah...I feel that Jawknee. I want it to be great and I still have hope in Square, but after having bought a PS3 in anticipation of FF13 (note I'm still glad I bought it), it's hard for me to trust the once flawless developer.

I won't say this is their last chance because I'm sure I'll end up repeating myself on a later date. I've come to the conclusion that I'm hurt. No matter how much I lie I won't be able to get over this pain until they make a title worthy of meeting their former glories.

I hope I won't have too wait long.

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johnld
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 1:59:59 AM
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i was the same ben, when i see squaresoft i pick it up. although not all the time since i didnt have much money back then given that i was in middle/high school and no job.

I tried to play final fantasy XIII again today, you know, for gil farming. when i got into my first battle, against the adamantoise in eden, i could barely get through the battle without giving up. while i was in the middle of the battle, i was thinking "what the hell am i doing?" the whole time.

on a side note, i tried playing siphoh fiter because it was free from psn plus. i cant believe how bad the graphics look on the ps1 games. i know its old, but i guess ps3 exclusive spoiled me. i couldnt stand playing the game. also, how the hell did we use to play games like that without an analog stick. using the dpad was horrible until i found the analog option. even then it still sucked at controls. videogames really have come a long damn way.

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kraygen
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 2:27:12 AM
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I refuse to get excited for versus. While ff13 may be a great non FF game, it's still marketed as FF.

I had hopes for it at first but as more and more info came out I just got more and more disappointed and angry.

So I refuse to have hope for versus. I highly doubt it will be what we want and so at least this way, if it turns out ok, at least I won't be let down.

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Sol
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 3:10:47 AM

After all... having expectations leads to disappointment when they aren't met. Without looking forward to anything you can accept the outcome much more easily. I like your reasoning, it's identical to mine.

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XmnMetal
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 2:53:04 AM
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Its make or break time for square enix. FFXIII is not garbage but it is one of the most disappointing games of this generation (given the pedigree) Auto battle? lol

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___________
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 3:22:14 AM
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i use to love squares games, i use to be a huge adventure/RPG fan!
the genre has changed so much though, tis why i enjoyed neir so much because its the closest thing to a traditional RPG ive played in donkeys years!

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Lawless SXE
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 4:06:23 AM
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Oh, I wish I could say the same, but I can't give an ultimatum. Always I go back and go back and always I get burned. I will not say that Versus XIII is a must-win situation for S-E, for I know I will get the eventual FFVII remake, I know I will get interested in the other entries in the Fabula Crystallis Nova compilation, I know I will get Agito XIII, and I know that I will continue to play any stellar games, regardless of developer (with the possible continued exception of Activision).

Also, it depends on your definition on what defines a generation. Because, according to other things I've heard you say, it would seem that FFXIII does indeed define this generation. The fast-paced, twitchy corridor action is pretty much what the PS3/360 generation is. It's a sad realisation. We can but hope that they don't continue to f*** it up and actually give us something that is truly turn-based, that is about exploration and evolution of character, as well as having an engrossing world and is capable of drawing us into the experience. Although, it is better to cater to the potential masses than the vocal minority.

Gods I'm in a bad mood today.
Peace.

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Ultimadream
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 4:07:03 AM
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Well this is a very experimental game, i think it's going to be different from all the previous FF games, but is it going to meet expectations, thats tricky. I still wish they called the game, FFXV, it better tie in with FFXIII somewhere or theres just no point.

The game is focusing on a world, i just hope that means the chartacters and story won't be slapped in the background, thats why i believe XIII was a good comeback, XII was just so f***ing tedious to playthrough the story just never adavanced. I enjoyed XIII as i have said countless times, i found it to be a thrilling adventure, well paced, fun characters, fair enough plot. but just because their were a lack of towns i was not offended. SO i was very happy with what S-E gave us and in my opinion it's still one of the best games this gen.

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aaronisbla
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 5:49:19 AM

one of the best games this gen? really? i can see if you said its one of SE's best games this gen since all they have made has been crap. The game felt like an very long chore.

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Ultimadream
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 4:15:27 PM

I found the game a thrill, it was nice to play through an FF game with style and charismatic. It's prbaly been the only RPG i have really enjoyed this gen so far on the PS3. It's either FFXIII or Heavy Rain.

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Jawknee
Saturday, August 21, 2010 @ 12:10:52 PM

You really think XIII is better than XII? Really? XII was not as great as previous installments but it was loads better than the battle simulator that XIII was.

I would call into question your taste in games but you saved yourself my listing Heavy Rain as one of your favorites. ;)

Last edited by Jawknee on 8/21/2010 12:13:50 PM

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RebelJD
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 4:15:39 AM
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FFXII Versus looks great. I see it as having the same feel that FFVII had. We'll find out sooner than later, hopefully.

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Gordo
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 5:35:40 AM
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I'm playing Dragon Age: Origins at the moment and am enjoying it a hundred times more than FFXIII. Demon's Souls is a thousand times better and I also loved Fallout 3 more.

FFXIII had nice graphics and the combat was fun and had a bit of strategy but it was totally linear.

DAO has more choices in the first couple of hours than FFXIII has in the whole game. I can't remember making one decision in FFXIII that had any consequences...

I doubt I'd buy another JRPG anytime soon. Mass Effect 2 on PS3 is definately on my purchase list.

Square Enix. You've lost me as a fan.

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Lawless SXE
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 6:19:34 AM

Dude, the implementation of choices is purely the result of the expansion of the Western developers into RPGs. Take almost any older JRPGs and you will find that next to none of them feature choices and consequences. If you were expecting that in FFXIII, then of course you were to be disappointed. It is about the characters as they are presented, not as you want them to be.
Peace.

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Gordo
Saturday, August 21, 2010 @ 6:40:04 AM

hi,

Appreciate your comments. I just think that in my opinion the western RPG's are giving us more than the JRPGs. The western RPG's are just totally more innovative than the current generation JRPG's.

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Masry_XI
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 5:36:53 AM
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Worry Not Guys,
Final fantasy Versus XIII
will redifine modern RPG.
sqaure enix work so hard at every single game ,
its bound for there hard work to pay off.

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Jawknee
Saturday, August 21, 2010 @ 12:13:00 PM

Says who?

Square promised XIII would be a VII killer and it so was not.

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Wissam
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 7:56:37 AM
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They better show us something good this time.

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Lotusflow3r
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 8:12:15 AM
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Level 5.

1st impressions are in for WKC2, it's apparently 50x better than the original and Famitsu (not that i care) rated it high with 8's and 9's.

Might be deemed off topic, but consider it my way of saying, in the menacing Tony Soprano way, "Enix is dead to me".

Check out this new town in WKC2 and god the music is golden era great!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GbahVVeJqs - Yeah, impossible in HD.....

Oh, your avatar gets a Knight too...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwwf-lysiAo

And don't forget The Another World RPG with studio Gibili! My golden era needs are satisfied.

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Highlander
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 11:23:44 AM

Coolness.

WKC2 is absolutely a D1P for me. I will pre-order and play through the WKC1 campaign again for the heck of it.

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coverton341
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 11:26:39 AM

Rad badical. I really can't wait for WKC2 to come out. I need to actually finish WKC, guess I know what I'm doing this weekend after I replace the seals on my bike.

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shadowscorpio
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 12:50:34 PM

Sweet. I'm only 26 hours into WKC but I already know that it is amongst one of my favorite games in my collection. Funny thing is I think FF 13 is my least favorite.

As frustrating as it can be, I can't seem to put down Demon's Souls to finish WKC and Star Ocean : The Last Hope.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 3:07:55 PM

WKC2 is a friggin lock, that and Star Ocean are my fave JRPGs this gen.

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Jawknee
Saturday, August 21, 2010 @ 12:12:19 PM

Im very interested in that Ni No Kuni game Level 5 is working on.

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FlyingKickPunch
Saturday, August 21, 2010 @ 3:13:50 PM

I agree with you on that, Jawknee. And they have Studio Ghibli on board too! Should be an awesome game.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 10:36:07 AM

It makes perfect sense if you'd actually read the article. Squaresoft was known for far more than just Final Fantasy. Furthermore, I made it very clear that FFXIII isn't a very good FF in comparison to the rest of the series.

Squaresoft used to make greatness all the time, from Vagrant Story to Chrono Cross to Parasite Eve to even Einhander. Square-Enix? Maybe you can see where I'm going with this.

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Jawknee
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 1:22:46 PM

Makes perfect sense to me. The game wasn't complete a turd, but it didn't come out smelling like roses either.

We expect more from Squeenix. Ever since they decided that being in MS pocket was more important that making great games, they have gone down hill. Big time.

It's more then pathetic we are 4 plus years into this gen and we have one big budget game on the PS3 from them. Sony consoles gave Square the tools needed to become the industry leaders in developerment. It only took MS and the Xbox to strip that leadership away from Square.

Again. One.Freakin.Game.For.PS3.In.Four.Years.

PATHETIC!

Last edited by Jawknee on 8/20/2010 1:25:06 PM

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aaronisbla
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 2:24:51 PM

FF games are normally held it to a much higher standard. SE's other games are held on a lower standard, but in the past they were still pretty decent. What Ben is saying is that FFXIII seemed like a good game coming from SE but wasn't FF good. Every other game released by them this gen has sucked, can't include just cause 2 though since i haven't played it

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shadowscorpio
Saturday, August 21, 2010 @ 12:28:14 AM

Yeah I heard Infinite Discovery and The last remnant bombed. I actually enjoy Star Ocean 4 and NIER seems to be the closest thing to how SE used to make a traditional JRPG though I haven't played it yet.

But as you said the FF series is supposed to be Square-enix's baby. When they release a Final Fantasy they CANNOT afford to screw around.

Last edited by shadowscorpio on 8/21/2010 12:28:40 AM

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gangan19
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 11:37:19 AM
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Their only human if they do make a mistake. Other than that the game should be fine.

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shadowscorpio
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 1:00:26 PM

You're giving them alot of credit gaNWars.

I'm just hoping FF 13 was an attempted experiment that went wrong and they learn from it.

FF versus 13 is going to in fact be the thing that reafirms that FF13 is either their new direction or if some where in Square-enix there are still people that can give us a beloved game that fans will talk proudly about for a decade if not longer (FF7, FF8, FF10, FF Tactics, Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, Xenogears, Vagrant Story, etc.).

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 4:49:57 PM

They aren't human, they a massive evil corporation.

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ComtriS
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 2:37:55 PM
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Well said Ben.

HOWEVER, please don't forget about FF6. I've played them all (yes, including the god awful FF2), and the epic ones to me were: FF6, FF4, FF7, FFT.

Here's hoping that one day they'll get their act together and make a huge comeback.

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TheOldOne
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 2:49:40 PM
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FFI to FFX were all 9+ games. I also loved Kingdom Hearts and maybe more (I don't remember right now). But now, every title Squeresoft bring us is not necessarily a "must own". I'm really crossing my fingers with Versus since the concept looks cool.

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AirplanePeanuts
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 4:32:59 PM
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I really can't figure why anyone would pin their hopes of old-timey Square on FFVXIII -- the actual FFXIII had more people working on it from the past games people liked, and what I've seen and heard of Versus so far sounds more like Kingdom Hearts than the ATB powered, turn based games people here seem to be pining for.

And I'll say it again, Squeenix is still making some great games in the same vein as their PSone stuff... except it's on the DS.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 4:49:06 PM

Well, it doesn't HAVE to be old-timey to be greatness. I think nomura has been clear that it was actiony. But it does have to have most of the elements that SE thought it was okay to cut from XIII. Towns, NPCs, exploration, airship, some sort of world map, etc.

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Lotusflow3r
Saturday, August 21, 2010 @ 11:23:05 AM

If your thinking of Dragon Quest 9, that isn't Enix, it's published by Enix, but it's developed by Level 5....the golden era rpg company of today.

Enix haven't made a golden RPG this gen.

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AirplanePeanuts
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 12:57:08 AM

I guess, but what turned me off to FFXIII the most wasn't the new fangled battle system or lack of towns, though that definitely didn't help. There wasn't much about the entire project that really felt like Final Fantasy. A Kingdom Hearts kind of game doesn't strike me as being that much closer to what I'm looking for, towns or otherwise.

@Lotusflow3r - Yes, Level 5 developed Dragon Quest IX (and VIII) but it was very much designed by the usual core Dragon Quest team, headed by Yuji Horii. I think Level 5 are incredibly talented technically, but when they design their own RPGs they actually bore the heck out of me (Rogue Galaxy was at the same time beautiful and yet amazingly cliched, dull, and crudely designed)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 4:50:50 PM
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Looking at Square Enix now all I can think of is that they have become Shinra Electric Power Co.

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FlyingKickPunch
Saturday, August 21, 2010 @ 3:10:27 PM

Great comment. :D
I think Heidegger is Creative Director.

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eLLeJuss
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 5:08:53 PM
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I disagree. I think final fantasy series will always sell square enix will be here for a long long long long time.

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marcusfrommo
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 7:46:09 PM
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Omgoodness, will people please stop trashing ff13. One of the best looking action rpg games PERIOD. Looks better than gow in overall quality, fun as heck. The in game cutscenes not the full motion video looks almost identical to the in game graphics. Was anybody complaining about the shortness of gow? Or complaining about the ending?

Let's face it, the gow series is done on the ps3. Yes, there making one for the handheld, but not the ps3? Seriously? And lastly, would people be complaining about this ff13 if it was exclusive, if they sold the ff13 skinned consoles which included the game or collector's edition for 300 or 400 dollars, or sold there ff13 soda cans, or there ff13 soundtrack for very reasonable prices here? Maybe, maybe not.

Could you imagine if this was exclusive and it was advertised as often as metal gear solid was and had an almost worldwide release in the usa and japan?

I'm not going to wager, but i wouldn't be shocked in the least if xbox get there hands on ff13 versus, or ff agito (what's that by the way). Oh is anyone playing the ff14 beta? How is it?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 10:40:49 PM

God of War? What kind of crack are you smoking? That has nothing to do with anything.

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FlyingKickPunch
Saturday, August 21, 2010 @ 3:05:38 PM

If FF13 WAS exclusive, it wouldn't have been the travesty it turned out to be.

And Agito is for PSP, so yeah, probably won't make it to Xbox.
PLEASE know what you're talking about before you make such acrimonious remarks. You look like a crazy person.

Last edited by FlyingKickPunch on 8/21/2010 3:08:47 PM

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 8:25:39 PM
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"Looks better than gow in overall quality, fun as heck. The in game cutscenes not the full motion video looks almost identical to the in game graphics."

First of all, that's not even CLOSE to being right. Secondly, this isn't about graphics. It's about the game itself, which would've been sub-par in Final Fantasy land, whether it was an exclusive or not.

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Falsate
Saturday, August 21, 2010 @ 12:57:22 AM

Agreed. Graphics does not play an role in determining the quality of the RPG. We're looking for some substance.

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BigBoss4ever
Saturday, August 21, 2010 @ 3:46:46 AM
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very very well said BEN. two thumbs way up, i am with you completely. the old epic, memorable, landmark RPG is the one i seek for in this gen, so far, only Lost Odyssey has come close to that, but not quite exactly, and it was not made by SE. so... let me give it one more chance and will it be worthy for the wait??

Last edited by BigBoss4ever on 8/21/2010 3:47:00 AM

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FlyingKickPunch
Saturday, August 21, 2010 @ 3:02:02 PM
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Regarding your first paragraph, I remember those days fondly as well. That's how I discovered Star Ocean The Second Story. And it was one of my favorite games of the generation.
What's happened to you Squaresof- errr, I mean Squeenix?

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BikerSaint
Saturday, August 21, 2010 @ 11:16:22 PM
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LOL, SE has been caught by the UK's ASA, for showing the better PS3 version to promote the 360 version....

Square Enix Admonished by U.K. ASA Over Final Fantasy XIII Advertisement.

http://www.thealistdaily.com/news/square-enix-admonished-by-uk-asa-over-final-fantasy-xiii-advert/

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greenway1
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 7:32:18 AM
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Final Fantasy Versus XIII Is Your Last Chance, Please FFXIII was SE last chance. I want even buy FFVII now if they do a remake.

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