PSXE Poll Update: Call Of Duty Series Wearing Thin

hellish_devil
Sunday, August 22, 2010 @ 10:09:40 PM
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Mass Effect 2 is a year old, but that doesn't mean it's outdated or it isn't good anymore. If it is great, no matter how old it is, I'll buy it. And that not only for Mass Effect, but for games in general.

Last edited by hellish_devil on 8/22/2010 10:10:17 PM

7 up, 1 down

Kowhoho
Sunday, August 22, 2010 @ 10:11:31 PM

I try to keep that viewpoint too, mostly with success, but I can't convince my friends to see things this way. I tried to get my pal to play some Sly Cooper but he just said it was "too old."

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hellish_devil
Sunday, August 22, 2010 @ 11:49:41 PM

Yeah, as long as it is good, no matter how old it is, it is still good. For example, last year I went to my cousin's house, and he had his Atari next to his PS2. I saw his games for Atari, and played one that was extremely awesome. It was Enduro (anyone?). It was this really simple racer but extremely addicting, and even tough it was like, I don't know, 20 years old, it was still good.

Then I played ET The Extraterrestrial and I was blown away at how bad a game can be.

Last edited by hellish_devil on 8/22/2010 11:50:16 PM

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shadowscorpio
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 8:57:35 PM

Funny how back in the nintendo and gensis days it didn't matter so much. A game could be 'old' but god help you if you never played it before a rush of excitement filled up inside you and you we ready to pop that game in the 8bit, 16bit, or 32bit console in front of you.

Last edited by shadowscorpio on 8/23/2010 8:58:18 PM

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BikerSaint
Sunday, August 22, 2010 @ 10:15:40 PM
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I await ME with baited breath.....
(MMMM, sardines in garlic sauce anyone?)

3 up, 1 down

Fane1024
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 5:37:03 PM

LOL

It's actually "bated breath":

"Bated is just a shortened form of abated (meaning - to bring down, lower or depress). 'Abated breath' makes perfect sense and that's where the phrase comes from."

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Fane1024
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 5:39:51 PM

LOL

It's actually "bated breath":

"Bated is just a shortened form of abated (meaning - to bring down, lower or depress). 'Abated breath' makes perfect sense and that's where the phrase comes from."

0 up, 1 down

FlyingKickPunch
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 5:43:01 PM

Grammar NAZI ^^^^^^^

1 up, 0 down

Scarecrow
Sunday, August 22, 2010 @ 10:32:05 PM
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Eh? We didn't need it
I'm all set for this year and same with next year

1 up, 1 down

BeezleDrop
Sunday, August 22, 2010 @ 10:33:54 PM
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CoD hasn't and cannot evolved as a franchise. There has been some obvious high points, but essentially it is all of the same game with the same awful engine, new weapons, story, and online Camp-Fest. Incoming CoD fanboy response from godslim

Mass Effect 2 coming to the PS3 is seriously EPIC news everyone, it was one of the better gaming experiences I have enjoyed in quite some time. When it hits, you will not be disappointed, the high scores say more than enough.

Last edited by BeezleDrop on 8/22/2010 10:35:09 PM

7 up, 5 down

Godslim
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 4:26:42 AM

maybe we should make a category called the anti cod fan boy just for u

2 up, 4 down

Jawknee
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 1:59:39 PM

Then you would naturally be in the COD Fanboy club wouldn't you?

1 up, 2 down

Godslim
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 6:44:09 AM

funny but no i stick up for a good game because u all hate on it on here

2 up, 2 down

Milonakis
Sunday, August 22, 2010 @ 10:37:06 PM
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Bioshock came a little late too, but that's still a great game. It's a little disappointing that we won't get the first one. Oh well though. Also I'm glad that their are plenty of other COD haters.

4 up, 1 down

ro kurorai
Sunday, August 22, 2010 @ 10:47:08 PM
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well, it can't be helped. MS secured a 12 month exclusivity contract, but at least it's coming. BW can utilize the extra development time to add tons of extras and squeeze the most out of UE3 on PS3. And then there's ME3, which will be a simultaneous launch on PC/PS3 and 360.
Those are all assumptions, but I can't imagine MS dishing out lots of money for a timed exclusivity window for ME3.

I'm really interested in the PS3 port and should BW add some exclusive stuff (not available on PC) then I might purchase a copy for my PS3.

It's a great opportunity for non-PC gamers w/o a 360 and BW will certainly make money. I guess 1mil+ sales are possible.

Last edited by ro kurorai on 8/22/2010 10:48:38 PM

1 up, 0 down

sirbob6
Sunday, August 22, 2010 @ 10:48:45 PM
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I have to say that COD is starting to show it's flaws. First off MW2 sacurficed the story for multiplayer, then multiplayer sucked. The latest COD shows some promise, but it is due to be a disappointment. This may be to the overall lack of innovation to the series. Anyway I will be see how ME2 ports before purchase but if it ports well then I wil probably get it.

2 up, 2 down

cLoudou
Sunday, August 22, 2010 @ 10:53:13 PM
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ME2 for the PS3 is Great for people anticipating it. I couldn't care less myself. I've never even heard of Mass Effect until I learned about the sequel.

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yak4life85
Sunday, August 22, 2010 @ 11:00:32 PM
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You guys are all crazy man. There's a reason the cod series sells good. There actually really good games with many hours if not days worth of additional playing time by going online. Its always whining with a lot of you guys here, saying you guys dont last that long online. You die a lot, respawn same ol same. You guys just need to play a little bit more, practice is what every one needs. You guys think everyone is an expert right when they pop in the game. NO there not.

Sorry for rant. Just really tired that everyone here just goes along with what ever Ben agrees with. Everyone can get their own opinions you know. I like playing everything not just fps. Yak4life85 psn check my trophies.

Looking forward to Black Ops!

Last edited by yak4life85 on 8/22/2010 11:03:09 PM

7 up, 16 down

Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 12:10:49 AM

Considering I've never once made any personal comments whatsoever concerning CoD, and I've only reported on observations and attitudes I've witnessed, your claim is senseless.

You honestly think people here don't like CoD because I don't? ...right. Never even said if I do or don't. People here have minds of their own; don't say otherwise, please.

11 up, 2 down

bigrailer19
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 12:31:48 AM

The cool thing do to this generation is hate on COD. Its amazing to me that MW was such a groundbreaking game, yet no love for the franchise. I honestly dont think even a COD every two years would help, i really think its just the cool thing to do. Cus in all honesty MW2 was not a bad game.

4 up, 8 down

johnld
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 12:41:21 AM

from what i can see, its not that most people dont like COD, it just gets old. I have the game and when i reached the level cap i basically lost interest, not to mention all those other great games that came after it. Go prestige? i'm not gonna waste my time on that. it doesnt mean you're better, it just means that you had a lot of time. thats why i find it hilarious when people back out of the room because they saw tenth prestige and we demolish them in a game. modern warfare 2 was a pretty good game but it gets boring pretty quickly.

Infinity ward chose to focus on the multiplayer aspect of the game and as time went on the flaws starts showing themselves. i was there since the start of the game and all those multiplayer glitches and hacks practically every week.

about that if you die a lot then practice jab, its kinda hard to do when it doesnt give you a choice most of the time. how are you supposed to stay alive when you kill a player and then the game respawns that same player right behind you a few seconds later. thats the main reason i stopped playing the game, it just ruins it. then they added more killstreaks that promoted camping, the reason i always kept a stinger as my second weapon.

2 up, 1 down

Killa Tequilla
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 1:38:51 AM

" There's a reason the cod series sells good. There actually really good games with many hours if not days worth of additional playing time by going online. " :D Exactly what I said!!!! PSX is THE only website I see a lot of hatred on. So much of you people hate CoD. :D Sure you might find 1 out of 15 people on youtube hatin' CoD. It just means you suck at it! It's not the developers fault the game sucks ( it doesn't btw ) It's YOU! WHO GIVE IT A BAD REPUTATION, simply by ABUSING the PERKS. Also by CAMPING & NOOBTUBING. This makes people want to stay away from the game even me sometimes. Even though my K/D ration is 2.08 I get NOOBTUBED a lot & " Rage quit " then I come back for more PWNGE. 60% of you who hate CoD, get yo Sh** together & redeem yourself by buying yourself a nice treat this September; Black Ops. :)
It looks fun! At this point ACTIVISION or INFINITY WARD Doesnt GAF anymore because you guys say " I hate IW " too much they developed an immunity to that & will keep making CoDs :D

2 up, 6 down

Oxvial
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 4:18:16 AM

''Its always whining with a lot of you guys here, saying you guys don't last that long online.''

Typical CoD fanboy argument...''you don't like the game because its too hard for you'' , bs I luv Demons Souls and that wasn't a easy game.

4 up, 1 down

NoSmokingBandit
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 7:15:58 AM

I cant think of anyone who didnt like COD4, but MW2 was a huge step in the wrong direction. Easier, shorter, nonsense story with tons of plotholes...
I'll play any game thats good, but MW2 just isnt that great.

1 up, 2 down

Highlander
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 10:24:32 AM

Um, cool your jets pal, I don't like, and never have liked any Call of Duty game and my dislike for that series and kind of game has nothing to do with Ben or anyone else here at PSX. Actually, thanks to your little tirade I think I might even hate it a smidge more now... wait... hmmm... Yep definitely a bit more dislike towards the game series now. Gee, you're good. Somehow you managed to get such a negative reaction that it spilled over into more dislike for the game itself. Well done you.

@El Maximo,

Well, another CoD fanboy? Oh dear, well, I guess in your world view everyone must like Call of Duty or they're not worth considering? You know what, I loathe, yes I said loathe, the Call of Duty series of games and every additional comment made by some annoyed, whining CoD fanboy just makes me like it even less. Do you honestly think that Call of Duty is the only game there is or the only game worth playing? Did it ever cross your gunfire addled mind that there are other game genre out there, and millions of gamers who simply do not like shooters? Did that not cross your mind? Is it too much of a high concept to penetrate your mind while you plan your next CoD campaign?

Guys, this site is not Kotaku, Destructoid, or any of those other POS gaming sites where only commodity games like CoD are discussed.

Honestly, what happened did some CoD fanboy kiddie see Ben's article, go off the deep end and then recruit their buddies to come on here and flame the community?

@BigRailer,

Cool thing or not, I've never loved on shooters of any kind, and the continued domination of what is little more than a gaming commodity is not good for the industry. In my personal opinion, CoD is no better or worse than any, but since I dislike them all, that's not saying much. However, my dislike is not a fashion, it's an opinion, that differs from yours.

Last edited by Highlander on 8/23/2010 10:32:48 AM

3 up, 3 down

Jawknee
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 2:13:25 PM

What Highlander said.

2 up, 1 down

Bugzbunny109
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 5:23:59 PM

What Jawknee said TheHighlander said XD.

2 up, 1 down

bigrailer19
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 7:01:59 PM

@highlander

That was a complete joke. If anything I understand most people like different things. If someone doesn't like COD, ok they dont like it. I do, however like COD, that part is true. But I'll also be the first to admit that IW screwed up MW2. The mp was still entertaining and the campaign had great elements, but the length and overall quality of the game plunged from that of the first.

My whole thing in that statement was that it amazes me how well MW was recieved and then all of a sudden COD is hated on. Thats where the cool thing to do reference came in, which again is a joke lol. I know everyone has there own flavor they prefer. As for me I'll play any game, any time, anywhere.

1 up, 0 down

Temjin001
Sunday, August 22, 2010 @ 11:10:36 PM
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I didn't vote. None of the options really fit how I felt.

I like CoD, and I regard the former IW with high esteem. They achieved the most popular FPS of all time despite the foreboding presence of Halo. The FPS market was already pretty crowded before the MW's, yet IW managed to pull ahead and make a huge name for themselves, regardless.

I'm sure I'll gain a good number of downs for this, if I haven't already, but when it comes to FPS, my favorite playing one is still Halo. I know ODST blows in composition and it's campaign felt like it was thrown together, but the style of play is what I like about it most. I love being able to approach a single situation and have so many different variables to work with. It's fun and continuously rewarding. Though, I do hope Bungie freshens things up a bit with Reach. Cause without the special items in ODST, it's play felt more of a digression from Halo 3 than a progression.

I like that ME2 is coming over to PS3. I just hope Bioware puts the right level of effort to do it right. As aport coming over from the 360, I'm a little leery about the conversion process. We've seen how bad ports can be when they're designed first for 360 and then ported over (Bayonetta, 1st gen multi-plats, etc.) So hopefully, the team has a good grip of the PS3 hardware having worked with Dragon Age previously. And perhaps, with a HDD in every PS3 we might see some streaming benefits. Those Unreal Engine games can have some pretty horrendous texture draw.

Having played ME on 360 and loved it, I'll probably play ME2 first on 360, and then play it for PS3. This is in large part due to the fascination of seeing how the decisions I made from the first game will translate over into ME2. I'll be able to compare it against the empty slate approach when I give the PS3 version a try. Who knows? Maybe outside of a few extra lines of dialogue, the difference in experience may be pretty minimal. There's probably readers who already have that answer.

0 up, 0 down

eLLeJuss
Sunday, August 22, 2010 @ 11:12:47 PM
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I'm too busy at sc2 to even care about ME and COD. lol

4 up, 1 down

bigrailer19
Sunday, August 22, 2010 @ 11:17:27 PM
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I think any reader here could have predicted that poll. But the honest truth is the number of those that voted D in that poll, is a tiny tiny part of the amount of people that will buy and are interested in the COD franchise. Here at PSX it takes more than a shooter to be a great game. Thats a good thing.

At the same time the COD games are far from bad games. MW2 is a great action shooter, just far to short to be a real enjoyable experience, it is however one of the poorer games in the franchise regardless of the mp. I should mention PSX gave it a high 8, which an 8 low or high, to me is a must own game no matter what genre it is. So regardless the outcome of that poll, COD is still a great franchise.

Last edited by bigrailer19 on 8/22/2010 11:18:56 PM

3 up, 0 down

Fatcat3788
Sunday, August 22, 2010 @ 11:34:33 PM
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I am excited about this game. Slightly pissed about the fact I just played in on my computer again. Though I was wishing I could play it on my Playstation controller so only slightly PO'd it just got announced. My question is this: What the hell was the hold up?

I have played through this game twice and I plan on playing it again on the PS3. Extra Content and all with the trophies I actually care to get. This is going to be platted for sure! Anyone who hasn't played it yet NEEDS to pick this game up.

Though I must say that I won't be picking it up if it's 60 dollars. I can wait for it to drop in price, especially since Dead Space 2 comes out in January as well! (;D)

3 up, 0 down

johnld
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 12:46:07 AM

no offense but i cant believe you dont know what is holding up a mass effect release on the ps3 when its so simple. Microsoft and their big bag o money. you really think EA didnt want to release mass effect on just the 360? at this point, when microsoft says the game is exclusive to the 360 (minus the first party games) i take it as timed exclusive.

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NeoHumpty
Sunday, August 22, 2010 @ 11:37:06 PM
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I needed a midway point to vote on. If it turns out to be a lesser port, I won't be interested. I loved Dragon Age, but there were some pretty bad hiccups in their ps3 version. We'll see, but I'm certainly interested.

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bigrailer19
Sunday, August 22, 2010 @ 11:52:18 PM

The only thing the 360 version of Dragon age had over the ps3 version was the frame rate. Otherwise Dragon Age was a better game on the PS3, graphics included, it looked much better. Just, yes, was a little choppy.

With that said my point is they should have enough time to make it as polished on the PS3. Should be a good game on either system.

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hellish_devil
Sunday, August 22, 2010 @ 11:57:24 PM

That maybe was because they were in development at the same time (ps3 and 360 version) and also was Bioware's first game on the PS3. But now they know the structure of the PS3 AND are focusing only in that version.

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NeoHumpty
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 7:46:30 AM

Actually, I was referring to the PC version of Dragon Age. Sorry. Watching the PC version run along side the ps3 version was like night and day. I'm not really knocking it, as I'm only 3 trophies away from Platinum. But the choppiness can be headache inducing. Just hoping ME2 runs smoothly.

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NeoHumpty
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 7:48:03 AM

Actually, I was referring to the PC version of Dragon Age. Sorry. Watching the PC version run along side the ps3 version was like night and day. I'm not really knocking it, as I'm only 3 trophies away from Platinum. But the choppiness can be headache inducing. Just hoping ME2 runs smoothly.

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bigrailer19
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 9:27:22 AM

oh sorry lol sometimes I forget about the pc my bad!

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NeoHumpty
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 10:43:29 AM

Eh. I should have specified. I don't think I've ever seen the Xbox version running.

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bigrailer19
Sunday, August 22, 2010 @ 11:53:32 PM
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I picked what good is ME2 with out the first but at the same time ill buy it. i really want to play these games. if all i get is ME2 thats ok, i really like the developers also. They make good RPG's.

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Shams
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 12:25:56 AM
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Please people, why say no to a good game? Support good games, and support our platform.

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ps3sownsxbox360
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 12:31:07 AM
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activision sucks but there guitar hero series is good

0 up, 5 down

johnld
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 12:52:03 AM
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with all the games coming out especially the first quarter of next year, i dont see the point of releasing mass effect 2. the release time of the game on 360 and ps3 is so great that mostly everyone who wanted to play mass effect 2 already played it. not to mention that the first one isnt even going to be released on ps3. just find a new publisher. thats what they did with ninja gaiden 2 right.

If i was interested in the series at all i wouldve prefered that they released the entire trilogy on ps3 the same time that mass effect 3 releases. I dont want a summary of the first game either. if their gonna make me wait for it, i might as well get it in one set so i can play through it straight.

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Scarecrow
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 1:00:20 AM

Killzone 2 is a better buy and I have a feeling Infamous comes out in somewhere in the 2nd Quarter.

So don't really care 'bout ME2

4 up, 2 down

DeathOfChaos
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 1:23:55 AM
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I knew this site was filled with smart people ^_^

4 up, 1 down

NeoHumpty
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 7:50:17 AM

Yeah, I mainly come here for RPG coverage. What little exists in this industry anymore. lol.

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GuernicaReborn
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 2:05:03 AM
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I'd be excited for ME2, but the Month of January 2011 is all about Dead Space 2.

I do think that I'll want to play Mass Effect eventually though, if only to set up a save file to import to Mass Effect 3. I think that continuation thing is pretty cool. So yeah, I might get it. Depends on if there is a lull in Survival Horror/PS3 exclusives in 2011.

4 up, 0 down

THE-GAMER
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 2:55:41 AM

The month of january 2011 belongs to Socom 4 if (i hope) comes out imo.

5 up, 0 down

DazeOfWar
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 2:59:42 AM
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I've already played both Mass Effects on the 360 so it's not huge for me. If they released ME & ME2 together in a bundle I would most likely buy it again but since it's just part 2 don't really see a reason.

I'm also wondering if it's gonna come out at full price or a discounted price like $40.

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Fane1024
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 5:47:39 PM

It has all the DLC plus more, so almost certainly $60.

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___________
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 3:57:20 AM
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ME2 on ps3 is completely pointless for 2 reasons.
1 its been out for a year so most who want to play it have already done so, ive finished it twice.
2 its a trilogy, everything you do over the first 2 games will shape what happens in the third.
now, how can the third be effected by your choices if you did not make them?
thus ME3 on ps3 will be inferior to ME3 on the 360, so again i ask whats the point?

1 up, 6 down

Highlander
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 10:36:32 AM

No game ever requires you to have played the first one to that degree, You want your audience to expand with sequels not contract. So no game designer is going to make a sequel that excludes those who didn't play the previous game.

ME3 on the PS3 may, or may not, be inferior to the 360 version, you are pre-judging a product that does not yet exist. In terms of pointlessness, this one argument of yours is a good reason to find your comment pointless.

2 up, 1 down

___________
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 8:20:41 AM

im not assuming anything, bioware have said ME3 will be shaped across the decisions you made in ME1 and ME2.
now again i ask how can ME3 be shaped on decisions you did not make?

you dont have to play any game to play its sequel thats just common sense BUT to understand the storyline it certainly helps!
your not going to understand what happens to desmond in AC2 if you have not played the first now are you?
half way through the game when you see that piece with altiar being chased, than desmond blacks out your going to be like WTF was that all about.

that it the whole point on creating sequels, if your not going to build on the references and events of the previous game than whats the point of doing a sequel?
you might as well do a new IP thats exactly the same just with a different name.
thats one thing i hated about BFBC2, besides the radical level and gameplay changes, you play the characters in the first BC but thats about it.
there are absolutely no references to the first game what so ever!
what happened to those guys from 1 to 2, why are they still in the armed forces.
honestly if you did not play as them, and it did not have the BFBC2 name you would have no freaking idea its a sequel to one of 2007s finest!

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 8:56:03 AM

I know that they haven't yet come out and said what the extra hours of game play on teh PS3 will be, but I do think that there is more than a small chance that it is some condensed elements from Mass Effect, so that players of ME2 on the PS3 are not fully left out in the dark. I have to admit, as I was typing my reply, I began to think of White Knight chronicles 2. Level 5 are including the content from WKC1 so that players can play through that before going on with WKC2. So, I have to concede that some games do rely heavily on their predecessors.

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___________
Wednesday, August 25, 2010 @ 7:58:47 AM

i certainly hope so!
understanding the story wise as long as bioware do a good job with the intro they promised you should be fine, but watching a cut scene is not the same as experiencing it yourself.
im just fussy though i always want to get the best out of my experience so thats why i cant see why people would play ME2 on the ps3 and ME3 IF it comes to ps3 when its going to miss some features the 360 and PC versions would have.

im like that, ill go to ridiculous lengths to get something small, i cant stop my curiosity.
like today, i already have my new 470GTX working perfectly but a part of me has been wondering if id get a extra 10FPS if i added my old 9800GTX in there.
now as soon as i did that, now my 470GTX wont give out a signal, only if i hook up the VGA cable to my 9800 do i get a signal.
so i remove the 9800 so everythings the same it was and still same problem.
all that for a few extra FPS i was hoping for and now i think ive killed my 400+ dollar card!

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Lawless SXE
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 4:03:52 AM
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As I've said before, I have only the most passing of interests in ME2, what with a whole bundle of other RPGs to get through, not to mention LBP2, GT5 and whatever else releases before February of next year that I want. It's good for those people that wanted it, but I am not one of those people.

As for CoD, I really only see the value in the multiplayer, what with an abbreviated (but apparently quite good) single player segment. Also, I played a small amount of W@W at a friends place and found it underwhelming in the face of the hype of the franchise. Unless someone can persuade me that the single player is worth a purchase, CoD will always be a no-fly zone for me.
Peace.

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Deleted User
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 6:15:58 AM
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well to be frank i never really got into any Call of Duty games i find them boring (go ahead thumb me down C.o.D fans) every time i tryed any of them they get traded in about 3 weeks later. as for Mass Effect 2 on Ps3 i can't wait. i never really got a round to playing Mass Effect 2 on the 360 witch is in my collection right now but i refuse to play it intill i beat the frist Mass Effect at least twice but i don't have the time right now with so many good games from this year to play frist.

currently playing
Ps3: Red Dead Redemption and God of War 3
360: Alan Wake

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JackC8
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 6:30:53 AM
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I'm quite happy about getting ME2. I love sci-fi stuff, and an action / RPG should be right up my alley. I don't really care that we're not getting the first game as well; we're getting something that was a 360 exclusive - I'm not going to complain that we're not getting the whole franchise. And considering the incredible deluge of fantastic games coming out in the next year, I'll be happy to squeeze in one extra game, much less two. And if I like it a whole lot, there's always Mass Effect 3 to look forward to.

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Wissam
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 6:32:01 AM
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I hate cod games in general.

3 up, 3 down

FlyingKickPunch
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 7:11:42 PM

+1

0 up, 1 down

bigrailer19
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 7:29:33 PM

-1

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Godslim
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 7:30:25 AM
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well i dont think im getting the new cod tho my bro probably will....it does look alot like mw2.....however i like cod4 and mw2 not w@w i think the online is bad and it just seems like a port of cod4
i dont understand y everyone hates cod its seems like people like to be different and hate on a game with huge success although i reckon if the mw series was ps3 exclusive many would change their tune

2 up, 1 down

Deleted User
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 10:27:45 AM

@godslim
i have to disagree with u even if it was "exclusive" i still won't play it like i said earlier call of duty games only last 3 weeks for me then i forget about them and then trade them in

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main_event05
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 11:25:52 AM

I hate it for the same reason I hate Halo. Same annually released over-hyped game repackage with slight changes to the story with the exact same gameplay sold at full retail. Its a common trend among FPSs this gen.

But the reason I still like R6V, which fits the same mold, is simply because thats the 1st FPS I got for my PS3.

2 up, 1 down

Jawknee
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 2:00:52 PM

Godslim, just admit it, you like mediocrity. No shame in that....i guess.

1 up, 2 down

bigrailer19
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 7:05:15 PM

I like mediocrity to... As long as I enjoy its a gem to me!

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Godslim
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 7:52:38 AM

no i like good games and mw is one of em

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main_event05
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 8:09:20 AM
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I voted I'm not interested but not because of the over saturation (and that is a big issue. I'm actually looking forward to two new FPSs, F.E.A.R. and a new Rainbow 6.

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maxpontiac
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 8:50:43 AM
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Modern Warfare 2 was the last COD I will buy. Killzone 3, Resistance 3, and SOCOM 4 will meet my shooter needs.

Last edited by maxpontiac on 8/23/2010 8:51:23 AM

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Jawknee
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 2:05:45 PM

See, its not that PSXers dislike shooters. Most of us are just sick of "commodity shooters" as Highlander put it.

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 8:58:26 AM

Agreed. The COD has been the same since the first Modern Warfare, and looks to continue the trend with Black Ops.

With the Sony exclusives, I know the devs will have my interests in mind, and that's the PS3 being maxed out to it's potential.

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Amazingskillz
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 9:19:35 AM
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I have to agree with Godslim. If COD was a PS3 exclusive most of the people on this site would have a more positive tone toward the COD franchise. I'm not really into FPS so I've only played the demos. However, for MW2 to smash sales records the way it did, its obviously no ordinary game. People paid their $60 to the tune of over $500 million dollars. People should just give the game and Activision/IW their props on that one and move on.

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Jawknee
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 2:09:02 PM

If CoD was a PS3 exclusive it would likely be a much better game.

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Amazingskillz
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 9:21:34 AM
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Socom 4's demo using move looked kinda wack to me.

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Snaaaake
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 10:18:03 AM
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There's just a lot of hate for CoD on this site and I don't know why.

Probably because of the Activision hate.

There's just no reason to hate a shooting franchise that comes out every year, it's not the best of quality but at least every CoD are solid.

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Highlander
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 10:39:08 AM

Yeah, either that or some of us are just sick and tired of commodity shooters.

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Jawknee
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 2:02:04 PM

I started to dislike CoD before i started to dislike Activision. Its a mediocre game that offers nothing new with every installment. Activision made sure it would become the next Guitar Hero.

EDIT: Commodity Shooters. I love it. haha

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Highlander
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 10:38:31 AM
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Would have liked an option on the Mass Effect poll that was something along the lines of "It's a great thing that it's coming, but I'll wait and see if it's a good port before buying."

That's the one I would have ticked...

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D1g1tal5torm
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 1:25:56 PM
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This poll was always going to end in this result.

What it shows is there is a bias away from FPS on this site; but it's not down to the authors, it's the underlying community.

The CODs have been good games and will, in all probability, continue to do well.

The games sell in record-breaking numbers for a reason. So ignore the haters and enjoy the twitch gaming - it's where the adrenalin is!

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Jawknee
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 2:07:58 PM

I will never understand that stupid argument that just because something sells well means its good. Britney Spears, The Jonas Brothers etc sell millions of records, yet their music SUCKS!

High sales doesn't automatically equal Good Product. Why just look at the Xbox.

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D1g1tal5torm
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 2:28:45 PM

Britney and the jonas bros aren't my cup of tea.

But the demographic that does like their music doesn't seem to think they suck.

Their music sells because the people that buy their music, likes it. Just like you like the music you buy.

Personal preference or taste is not competitive Unless you make it so. I.e. Xbox vs ps3, it's pointless.

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main_event05
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 5:03:03 PM

Good Point Digital.

Mind me asking your age?

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Jawknee
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 5:49:58 PM

Just because any certain demographic has a taste for a certain thing doesn't make it good. Some one could polish a turd and swear it's the best looking thing in the planet. In the ends it's still a turd.

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bigrailer19
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 7:14:39 PM

@Jawknee

Your argument is flawed. Because its all based upon opinion. I mean you can say antyhing you want about COD but in the end it even got a high 8 on PSX which in my book is a successful game.

Just because you dont like it, doesnt mean its bad. And just because Highlander doesn't like shooters doesn't instantly mean that COD is the worst of them all. What your basically saying is that whatever your opinion is is the rightful opinion. Atleast thats what im getting from you. I'm pretty sure we've had this convo 100 times before and each time its my opinion versus yours, and in the end I respect your opinion but your respect for mine is always well blah!

Same goes for music, Jonas Brothers was aimed demographically at the younger crowd not at you. So its a good thing you didnt like them, i mean if you did, you did, but it would be weird... kind of...

And please don't try and rally the troops cus its obvious that most PSX readers dont like COD. I noticed that the moment W@W was coming out. But thats ok, its great that either we PSX readers like diversity, or atleast would prefer to have a larger scale of different type of games. At the same time that doesn't discount the quality of the COD as a franchise.

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Highlander
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 10:31:48 PM

Who, slow down BigRailer, please don't pull my name in to your discussion of another poster's opinion. I speak for myself alone.

Just to clarify: I don't like first person shooters, they are not my preferred genre. Do I think that MW2 is a terrible game? No. Do I think it's the worst of the first person shooters? No. As for CoD MW2, it has high production values and slick, and clearly immersive game play. But that doesn't mean I have to like it.

Either way, my opinion is mine alone. I don't speak for anyone else, nor do I seek to speak for anyone else.

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bigrailer19
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 11:07:48 PM

Sorry highlander for using you as an example. that was a mistake. But the reason for it is, Jawknee uses you as a stepping stone to prove his point in every other conversation on this subject.

If you read my posts my point is that everyone has opinions, you should know me as a sensible reader. When you say "Either way, my opinion is mine alone. I don't speak for anyone else, nor do I seek to speak for anyone else." Thats the exact point im trying to get across. So we may prefer different games but we share the same view as a whole. Thats all im trying to say, so im on your side. I just dont like when people shut down my and others opinions because I like something they may not.

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Godslim
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 7:54:50 AM

bigrailer19 i couldnt have put it any better

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Jawknee
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 12:50:35 PM

Bigrailer your arguments are the ones that are flawed. I don't operate on this notion that everything is relative like you seem to. There are some concrete things in this world. Just because some one likes something doesn't automatically grant it legitimacy or relevance.

And i don't use Highlander as any stepping stone. I just happen to agree with him. My thoughts and convictions are my own. It nice to be able to agree with Highlander since him an i disagree on so much in other areas of life.

Look, no offense, i know you are much younger than i am, and maybe when you have a few more years in this world you'll start to understand that NOT all things in life are Relative and their are some good and bad things in this world that are universal truths. Until then spare me the lecture.

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Fane1024
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 5:59:02 PM

"I will never understand that stupid argument that just because something sells well means its good. High sales doesn't [sic] automatically equal Good Product."

Conversely, high sales don't automatically equal BAD product either, which is the error that "indie hipsters" always make.

Like when all the college radio fans stopped liking R.E.M. (those sellouts!) after Green started getting mainstream airplay.

There are plenty of valid criticisms of COD/MW2, but Bigrailer is right that the anti-COD sentiment seems to be largely a backlash against its success.

p.s. I've never bought/played a COD game and likely never will.

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bigrailer19
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 6:36:20 PM

Sorry Jawknee im not a little kid. Trust me I've been through enough in my life that I can have a say in something as everyone should be able to do.

If im right about this, your saying that COD is a bad franchise and that that is "concrete" am I correct that that is what your saying?

"Just because some one likes something doesn't automatically grant it legitimacy or relevance." And that same thing could be said about what your trying to say. Just because some one DOESN'T like something, doesn't mean it is irrelevant, or illegitimate. Listen I'm not saying cus I like COD MW2 that everyone else should, or that it is a superb game. Ive mentioned its flaws a million times and will say time and again that MW was twice the game. But I did enjoy it, no matter. And the franchise as a whole is good TO ME, maybe not to you and thats fine. All I want you to understand is that I like it, and believe it is a good game, regardless what YOU think. And you obviously think the complete opposite which is fine, I respect that.

But you somehow are ignoring your quote above, and saying that cus you think its bad my opinion doesn't matter. And thats what happens with you every time. You try and say these things like that quote from yourself, above, but yet somehow your opinion is concrete. Theres just no way to rationalize with you.

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D1g1tal5torm
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 2:23:43 PM
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You know what...

I'll never understand the argument, 'just because it sells it doesn't mean it's any good.'

It sells because people like playing it.

What's wrong with that?

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Jawknee
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 5:58:30 PM

Like Highlander said, people enjoy McDonalds. Doesn't make it good.

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FlyingKickPunch
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 7:10:22 PM

It sells because people don't know any better. Just like Xbox. Come to think of it, everyone with a 360 has MW...

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bigrailer19
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 7:22:34 PM

Thats dumb, People don't know any better? People make there own choices. If I wanted to go smoke crack tonight I know the consequences of it either way, lol. And trust me im whole heartedly against any drug, I wont be doing that.

People buy the game cus they enjoy it, and just cus they enjoy it doesnt mean they dont know any better. I enjoy COD but does that instantly mean I dont know that KZ2 is a better shooter, and that UC2 is the best game this generation, or that Dragon Age: Origins was fricken awesome as well, and that MGS4 was one heck of an ending to a great story, or that GOW series set the boundaries for most hack n slash action adventure games? I mean come on... Really?

I will say there are some that havn't experienced other games like the one's I mentioned but thats there choice. They like what they buy, as do I! (Didn't mean to rhyme by the way).

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Godslim
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 6:45:29 AM

but McDonalds is good :S

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 8:52:31 AM

A lot of the reason a game like Modern Warfare sells is tat it is a good game. No doubt there. But that's not the whole story. There are plenty of really good games, why does MW2 outsell those? There's this wonderful thing called peer pressure, and another lovely concept called group think. MW2 became "The game" to have.

If you're going to play multi-player with your friends, you want to play the same game they're playing. The media portrayed MW2 as the be all and end all of shooters, so lots of people bought it. Then their friends bought it, and then their friends bought it. It's the same group think and peer pressure that's led to people buying the same basic Halo game 4-5 times now... (Halo, Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo ODST, Halo Reach, Halo Will It Never End, Halo A Wing and A Prayer, Halo One Foot In The Grave and Halo Requiem). OK, I made up the last 3-4 of those Halo titles, but you get the idea.

People buy games for lots of reasons but a game like MW2 is not selling on the basis of it's stellar single player campaign. It sells because it has momentum, and once it achieves a certain critical mass of players, all the other shooter players must buy it in order to continue playing with their friends. It's kind of like World of Warcraft. If you have a friend or two that are really into playing WoW, then you might get an account yourself, then another of your friends will join, and pretty soon your whole circle of friends has joined in. It's like a chain reaction. This is what happened, and could easily happen again with a game like MW2.

But, I don't think it would have happened had MW2 been an inferior game, It has to be good enough that the initial wave of players doesn't give up and try something else. They have to evangelize to their friends about it. They have to put peer pressure on their friends to get it.

I could be less complementary to the impersonal mass of MW2 players and say that they move like a swarm of locusts moving from one field to another, the gamers will move from one 'in game' to another. Right now it's MW2's time. but when another, newer and fresher title comes along, the swarm will become mobile again and move to a new feeding location. MW2 will wither and die quickly when that happens. That is the order of things with Multi-player games.

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bigrailer19
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 9:27:57 AM

Highlander-

I cant say why MW2 outsold UC3. I lgically cant, i think it should have, its obviously the better game, by far. But people buy what they know and like. Not everyone gets the chance to play games like UC3. And it is more logical to buy games your friends are playing if you can play it with them, if your into the mp. So tyhere is a tons of explanations, either way, its apparent that a lot of people buy COD cus they enjoy playing for one reason or another.

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 10:31:50 AM

BigRailer,

I think the peer pressure thing has a lot to do with it. this time it's MW2, next time it could be another game instead. I think we often underestimate the peer-pressure involved when your friends have a game that you don't and it's online multi-player. There is a lot of pressure to buy in with the same game. I understand it, it's natural, but it's unlike other game genre where peer pressure is not so influential in that manner.

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Amazingskillz
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 2:40:44 PM
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Britney Spears was hot as s..t before she met that federline dude. And that song Toxic was bangin! Uhh..oh..uhm anyway, there are always exceptions to a rule. Also, whats good to one is not always good to another. Moreover,a game doesn't necessarily have to be "good" in order for people to like it or have fun with it. Obviously MW2 was multiplayer driven. However, sometimes you have to go with the numbers. With MW2 1st day sales were through the roof. That means people couldn't wait to get their hands on it. If 85 out of 100 people view something favorable then there's a strong possibility that its a good product. Regarding the XBox, you may not consider it good and neither do I compared to Sony but if you compare it to a Wii,Sega Saturn, Dreamcast, PS1 it would be considered good or great. So its all relative. My point is there must be some appeal, some good, or some quality to MW2 if it sold like that. All those people who bought can't all have bad taste. Especially since it was a multiplat.

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Highlander
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 3:52:23 PM

So you are saying that because game A sells tons of copies, that must indicate the quality of the game?

More people eat at McDonalds than will ever eat at Ruth's Chris, does that mean that McDonalds quality is high and matches that of Ruth's Chris? I don't think so.

Quantity is never an indicator of quality.

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D1g1tal5torm
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 5:06:30 PM

Come on HL.

His point is a fair one is you dissect it.

'My point is there must be some appeal, some good, or some quality to MW2 if it sold like that'

The numbers are just too big to ignore using the quantity is never a measure of quality statement.

The quality is in how much you enjoy playing it. So you and jawknee dont like it, does that make everyone who did enjoy it wrong for enjoying it?

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Jawknee
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 5:52:00 PM

Highlander is correct. There are some things in this world that just aren't good and just because a majority likes it doesn't change the fact it still sucks.

Quality does not equal how much you enjoy it. That's a tad asinine. I would enjoy a guitar made in Japan just as much as one made in America but its a known fact the American made guitar will be better quality goods.

Want a game analogy? Some enjoy the Xbox more than the PS3 but again, ts a known Fact the PS3 is better quality

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bigrailer19
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 7:27:13 PM

quantity never measures quality. EVER. But in some instances it is true.

In most cases though its all about opinion. If Black OPS sells a good amount of games, then its apparent that most of those people who played and bought MW2 are playing black ops. Which means to them they enjoy it. I will be one of those people!

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D1g1tal5torm
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 7:59:16 PM

I for one think the cod is a quality game; and that is one reason why it has sold in huge quantities.

Because you think it sucks does not make it a bad game for myself and countless others.

'If CoD was a PS3 exclusive it would likely be a much better game.' Please elaborate why this would be the case?

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Highlander
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 10:41:45 PM

I've never said it isn't a quality game, but being a 'quality' game doesn't mean I have to like it. Saw 12 could be the best Saw movie ever made, it could have the highest production values of any movie ever made, it could have the highest quality of sound and visual production ever, but it would still be nothing more than disgusting piece of torture porn that in my personal opinion should never be made.

I'm not saying that CoD MW2 is the equivalent of Saw 12, or torture porn, I am simply making the point that the fact that something is a quality production does not necessarily mean I will, or should like it.

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nogoat23
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 3:36:14 PM
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You're asking this question about Mass Effect 2, I'm wondering the same question about Castle Crashers. I played it to death already on my friend's 360, will I still want it when it comes to my PS3?

Mass Effect 2 is different, because I haven't played it, so it really depends on what else is releasing at the time it comes out.

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booze925
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 5:38:43 PM
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black ops is still gunna sell like hotcakes. if u don't like call of duty, its just fine with me. theres other titles like medal of honor, or killzone 3 u can play.
im personally getting all 3! they all look fantastic. ill get GT5 later

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Alienange
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 7:01:28 PM
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People who bash the CoD franchise are clueless not only about what makes an fps great, but about gaming in general.

Why so many want to come to a news article and hold hands while humming the CoD hate mantra is beyond me.

As for Mass Effect 2, I know that the original Mass Effect will be on PS3 around the same time so there's no real issue at hand.

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Cuetes
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 7:10:43 PM
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Im glad the majority of you are starting to see the light. COD is on the downslide, it's a joke. Black Ops will sell, because of all the suckers out there who like spending money on worthless titles that some lazy developer made. I wont spend a dime on this, but if you are willing to give it away for free, I 'll find a nice spot under my beer for it.

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FlyingKickPunch
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 7:12:00 PM

:)

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bigrailer19
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 7:29:50 PM

:(

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FlyingKickPunch
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 2:52:00 PM

:|

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bigrailer19
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 9:58:05 PM

at least now your neautral on the matter! ;)

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tlpn99
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 7:46:40 PM
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I love the COD games and I lok forward to Black Ops, COD 8 and MW3. Thumb me down for liking a franchise.

Do you get thumbed down for liking Final Fantasy or Twisted Metal Black I doubt it lol :)

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main_event05
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 7:58:41 PM

again good point. But still shades of gray on both sides.

But CoD falls into the twitch category and the twitch category falls into the category that is destroying gaming.

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Fane1024
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 6:11:48 PM

Gaming was built on twitch. Arcade twitch, designed to suck quarters from your pockets.

Personally, I'm all for the demise of twitch gaming, but THAT is actually the trend, not vice versa.

The mainstreaming of gaming has led to a reduction in the amount of twitch.

Just take shooters: most shooters involve MUCH more tactical thinking and non-shooting elements than something like Quake or Unreal.

Twitch is on the decline, much to the chagrin of old school gamers (you know, the ones who praise games for being punishingly hard).

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D1g1tal5torm
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 8:17:06 PM
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Is gaming being destroyed?

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main_event05
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 8:42:53 PM

yea, it is.

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Highlander
Monday, August 23, 2010 @ 10:43:36 PM

When a single game in a predominant genre outsells several of the best games of other genre (collectively)? Then yes, I would have to say that there is some evidence to suggest that first person shooters, and twitch gaming at very least are distorting the gaming industry.

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Fane1024
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 6:17:09 PM

"When a single game in a predominant genre outsells several of the best games of other genre (collectively)?"

Ummm...Super Mario Bros.?

I guess gaming has already been destroyed. Does that mean we have to stop playing?

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Highlander
Wednesday, August 25, 2010 @ 12:02:36 AM

Fane, set them up, I'll shoot them down. If I was looking for a better example of a game that distorts the industry, I could find no better example than Mario. That corpulent mass of games sprawls across Nintendo like a plague. It's the predominant game genre/world on Nintendo as a platform. You, like everyone else, has seen how hard it is for Nintendo to break free of the image that Mario games bring.

gaming needs some games to be extremely successful. It needs that carrot to drive other developers to excellence. But at the same time it needs variety and creativity. That is the side of the industry that is damaged. Nintendo displays this almost perfectly. Even now, the best selling games on Nintendo are Mario games. Where is the variety? Where is the creativity?

I see shooters very much in this same way. Shooters, are shooters. Yes some are really good and some are really crap. There are different settings and what not, but fundamentally the share similar game mechanics and game modes. They are very 'samey' just as one Mario game is, in many ways, much like another Mario game. That is where the creativity and variety become damaged. Other developers see the insane success and try to imitate that game, or incorporate ideas from it into their own. They all want a piece of that success. So instead of pursuing their own path, they give up their own innovation and repeat something someone else already did in the hope of repeating their success.

That is where the danger to the industry is.

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D1g1tal5torm
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 3:26:57 AM
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But not destroying it.

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main_event05
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 6:44:55 AM
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Yes Twitch games are destroying the industry, look what has happened or is happening to: Metal Gear Solid, Silent Hill, Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, all great franchises warped almost beyond recognition due to that fact that twitch gaming is changing the model of what games sell. and IMHO FPSs are the worst of them, and since you put CoD on such a high pedestal, its more than fair to blame CoD.

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D1g1tal5torm
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 6:59:34 AM

'and since you put CoD on such a high pedestal, its more than fair to blame CoD'

Dont get this it's a totally irrelevant comment.

There's no getting away from the fact that games that people like, are games that sell.

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main_event05
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 8:15:47 AM

Crack sells are pretty high too. that doesn't make it any less destructive.

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Amazingskillz
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 8:04:28 AM
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Who you gonna believe 10,000 people who say the game is great or 10 people who say it sucks. Some things are no brainers.

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Amazingskillz
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 8:04:34 AM
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Who you gonna believe 10,000 people who say the game is great or 10 people who say it sucks. Some things are no brainers.

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Amazingskillz
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 8:08:02 AM
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Not sure exactly what twitch gaming is. But the real potential destroyer or distorter of gaming is multiplayer. It extends the life of games exponentially. That means people take far more time to buy their next game. Which drive industry sales down. I won't say gaming is being destroyed but multiplayer is definitely changing the sales model and industry landscape.

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 8:38:39 AM

Twitch gaming - high speed action games that require players to possess very fast reaction times above all other aspects of play. Games that rely more on the reaction time of the player, than the player's skill for player success.

In other words first person shooters as typified by games such as Halo, Call of Duty and the like.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 10:31:29 AM

You know Highlander, can you name some games that are so unbalanced in design that twitching dominates all other aspects of play?

Many fast action games do require a lot of knowledge, awareness and SKILL that are coupled with the passage of real time.

I play online fighters quite a bit, particularly Tekken, and online fighting games are some of the most intense action games to ever have been created. The 60fps clock must be taken into account when determining your actions. There are so many factors to calculate where response time alone is only a portion of the whole pie.

To transpose this to online shooters, their is also a whole wealth of skills a person needs to posses to rise above the rest and perform well.

Realize that not everyone aspires to be a pro athlete, or a renowned scholar. I dislike a generalized label that demeans the efforts of those who aiming to become the next Michael Jordon of online gaming.

Simply put, if a person thinks they can hop onto an action game and pep up with a bunch of caffeine and perform so much better than the rest because they're "twitch'n" they're wrong.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 11:15:09 AM

And something I wanted to add about your definition of twitch gaming. I think it's important to clarify that twitch gaming is a behavior. It describes the way a person plays a game, not that the game makes twitch gamers out of everyone.

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 1:19:02 PM

Define it however you like Temjin, I simply stated that in the context of twitch gaming, twitch gamers and the games they play are dominated by games which require quick reaction times above all else. I gave two shooters as examples, I could just as easily mentioned Soul Calibur or Tekken, or any other games of that nature. However arcade fighters have existed since the dawn of the arcade game age, they are not new, and are not really part of the recent upwelling of 'twitch' games or gaming. First Person Shooters, especially first Person Shooters on home video consoles are a comparatively recent phenomenon. The rise of such games parallels the rise of twitch gaming. so I naturally talk of one with the other, they are associated in my opinion. That's not to say that fighting games do not require such quick reflexes, I remember back as far as the arcade versions of games before Playstation really unleashed arcade quality fighters at home. Some people were really good at them, some were not. I don't remember anyone calling them twitch gamers, or describing fighters as twitch games, but it would certainly have been apt had they do0ne so.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 5:33:42 PM

"Twitch gaming - high speed action games that require players to possess very fast reaction times above all other aspects of play. Games that rely more on the reaction time of the player, than the player's skill for player success." -- Highlander

Everything I've responded with was hung on this line from your definition. Do you not realize that "skill" is proficiency that embodies reaction time in context of action games?

You're trying to separate the two, as you clearly stated in your definition.

As in reaction time > skill when it comes to action games.

As I detailed from my previous response that reaction time is only one component of the whole. To suggest that reaction time alone, or to the greatest degree, is what governs success is false.

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Highlander
Wednesday, August 25, 2010 @ 12:05:05 AM

Reaction time is the time it takes you to react to an event. It's a physical property of your physiology. You can improve your reaction time, but it's not truly a skill. The skill in action games is in anticipating the move of your opponent, or in seeing the tiny and unique movements that your opponent makes in a particular attack and knowing immediately how to counter it.

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Temjin001
Wednesday, August 25, 2010 @ 10:38:45 AM

Highlander, I see now that we aren't going to see eye to eye on this matter so I'm going to leave it alone.

Peace

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Amazingskillz
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 8:45:50 AM
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Oh I see, thanks. Thank God for the Assassins Creeds, Bioshocks, and Uncharted's of the world. I guess the multiplayer in UC2 could be considered twitch gaming?

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 9:02:50 AM

Pretty much.

Uncharted 2 is the only multi-player shooter of any kind I enjoy playing. It's definitely an action game that relies on your reaction times. Sure there are strategies and what not, but when you're playing against other people, not AI, it often comes down to reaction times. I'd definitely classify that portion of Uncharted 2 as twitch gaming.

Before anyone says "Aha! Highlander says he doesn't like shooters, but there he plays Uncharted 2 online multi-player"...Uncharted 2 is a third person shooter, not first. I do not like first person shooters in general. I play co-op arena in Uncharted 2 multi-player online so that I am fighting AI controlled opponents, not human beings. It's a philosophical thing for me, I don't prefer shooting avatars of real people, I prefer to mow down mindless drones controlled by the game. Uncharted 2 is very light on blood, and not terribly realistic in terms of the depiction of gore. Because it's a third person shooter, I still see the game character which maintains the perspective of this being a game. In a first person shooter, it is *me* that is in the game, and *me* that is being shot at. That might sound like a razor thin distinction, but to me it is not.

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Amazingskillz
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 9:18:30 AM
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"I prefer to mow down mindless drones controlled by the game" Lol! Hilarious. The graphics and rag doll effects in Uncharted 2's multiplayer are just insane.

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 9:44:31 AM

Exactly, they're not terribly realistic, are they?

;)

Seriously, I like a game to look and play like a game. If it get's to visceral or real, I feel uneasy about it. So something like Uncharted 2 with the nice mindless AI controlled drones is perfect.

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D1g1tal5torm
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 1:58:19 PM
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'Look, no offense, i know you are much younger than i am, and maybe when you have a few more years in this world you'll start to understand that NOT all things in life are Relative and their are some good and bad things in this world that are universal truths.'

Jawknee, sounds like someone is trying to be intellectual. If you as old as you say you are, you'd be able to formulate decent arguments.

We're talking video games here and they are always relative, otherwise you wouldn't be saying cod sucks, as you so succinctly put it.

Last edited by D1g1tal5torm on 8/24/2010 1:59:58 PM

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FlyingKickPunch
Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 2:59:03 PM
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Well guys, I've been running some tests is the lab, and I've come to some startling conclusions based on the evidence I've seen.
1) There are people who like the Call of Duty franchise.
2) There are people who do not like the Call of Duty franchise.
3) These two groups are opposed for some reason.
Fascinating...

I have no bias on the franchise, I liked 1 and 2 and MW1...but disliked 3 and MW2. The original Call of Duty is why I dropped 500 dollars on a set of Logitech Z-680 speakers for my PC.

Oh well, back to DQIX...

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