Gran Turismo 5 10GB Install Optional

OPHIDIAN
Sunday, August 29, 2010 @ 9:57:36 PM
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A definite install for me.

I'm pretty sure I will be playing GT5 for a long time when it comes out. Don't want to waste any of that precious time watching loading screens.

Man, Polyphony real do take there time with things.

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Wissam
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 6:52:53 AM

I will be playing GT5 for months when it comes out. this time it has online mode :D

Last edited by Wissam on 8/30/2010 6:53:27 AM

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shadowpal2
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 4:22:18 PM

And for those who don't have a PS3 yet:

320gb PS3 GT5 bundle INCOMING!

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Gimmedat
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 7:54:59 PM

No doubt installing,little tid-bit M$ is raising there online rate by 10 bucks starting november 1st.You have got to be kidding me the economy is in the hole and they are wanting more money,shows how much they care about there subscribers.I love my netflix on live but last.fm,twitter,and facebook are not worth having.If you have a silver membership you cant even download demos or play online,the PS3 is about to get a bunch of converts.Viva la PSN!!

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tes37
Sunday, August 29, 2010 @ 10:05:55 PM
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I want my gameplay to be as smooth and load free as possible, so I will opt for the install. That's a lot of space considering some games aren't that big, but I have too much space available to frown at the size.

Last edited by tes37 on 8/29/2010 10:06:53 PM

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Him
Sunday, August 29, 2010 @ 10:22:42 PM
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Ill stick to reading the disc, Don't have enough space on my PS3. Almost seems like it gets rid of the purpose of using blu-ray. But anywho this is gonna be AMAZING!!

Last edited by Him on 8/29/2010 10:23:11 PM

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ffrevenge
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 3:31:43 AM

Some companies exaggerate the size of Blu-ray and go overboard. So they have to undergo extreme compression, which loses valuable load times.

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StangMan80
Sunday, August 29, 2010 @ 10:28:45 PM
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I'm diffidently downloading, I will be playing GT5 for a long time. I can't wait for Nov, only a couple of months left.

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Qubex
Sunday, August 29, 2010 @ 10:34:02 PM
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I will probably be "upgrading" my PS3's hard disk soon... Going for a nice large drive. 1T 2.5inch drive... that should be ok for the next 5 years or more...

Touch would by 60 Gigga FATTY has been going strong since 2006. It stands free of any enclosures and as I usually run the AC every night here in Singapore, my apartment is at a cool 20 degrees... almost all of the time. I also let the machine cool after playing a game. I don't simply switch the system off when the fan is running at high speed to cool the CPU and GPU. I actually leave it to cool it and then switch it off once there is little fan activity...

So far so good...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Temjin001
Sunday, August 29, 2010 @ 10:44:41 PM

Qubex, when and if your fatty 60GB PS3 dies, you'll be pleased to know the newer PS3-slim generates far less decibels of fan noise. If your current PS3 was anything like my former 60gb system, as the system aged in months the internal fans would kick into higher RPM's relatively early--the first sign of trouble.
Eventually, during an awesome Uncharted 2 firefight my PS3 overheated and died--thankfully it died while processing great game code =p

So I got inside of my dead PS3 to see what was going on. Dust, and more dust. It was caked on circuitry and breath-ways blocking air flow and containing heat.

I also regularly tried to keep my PS3 clean. I'd even use a vacuum hose on the air-vents to try and remove lodged dust. It still died anyway.. woe was me.

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ColTater
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 11:23:45 AM

Damn Temjin, the exact same thing just happened to me. Damn you Sony and your repair cost of $149 + 29shipping + taxes.

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GuardianMode
Sunday, August 29, 2010 @ 10:34:37 PM
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This will be the best 60 USD spent. Heck,I may even fork out the dough for the Limited version.

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xnonsuchx
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 3:35:58 PM

Isn't Prologue the "Limited version"??? ;-) I know...Limited Edition!

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Snaaaake
Sunday, August 29, 2010 @ 10:48:16 PM
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I'll install that's for sure, make my gameplay smoother.

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Kai200X
Sunday, August 29, 2010 @ 10:57:18 PM
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I'll do 10GB install for sure. I want my game to run smooth and I still got plenty of space on my PS3 hard drive.

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Scarecrow
Sunday, August 29, 2010 @ 11:04:29 PM
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Great option, easily the way to go.

HDDs are cheap these days... a 500GB HDD goes for around $50 these days

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godsman
Sunday, August 29, 2010 @ 11:07:38 PM
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Anyone know how big is the game on a bluray disc?

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ffrevenge
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 3:25:54 AM

Well it's probably smaller than the MGS4 install, if you count up all the acts. The game is obviously a really compressed 50GB.

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ace_boon_coon
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 1:58:14 PM

with all the stuff they've packed on the disc, it's probably at least 40 gb.

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Hezzron
Sunday, August 29, 2010 @ 11:26:18 PM
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Ooof...that's a big install. I think I'll see how "rough" it runs off the disc first.

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B-RadGfromOV
Sunday, August 29, 2010 @ 11:29:16 PM

Agreed.

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FlyingKickPunch
Sunday, August 29, 2010 @ 11:29:09 PM
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Glad I installed that 500GB beast! I've been trying to fill it, it's just impossible. I have every season on Dexter, Tim and Eric and Xavier Renegade Angel, 41 PSN games, and 20 PSone games. And my entire CD collection. And still have like 300GB free.
I encourage everyone to install gigantic hard drives in their PS3s.

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Snaaaake
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 4:32:29 AM

You da man!

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Dridion
Sunday, August 29, 2010 @ 11:41:20 PM
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I really want to get the full experience to fully appreciate the game. To do this I need a wheel. Does anyone have any suggestions? I'm thinking of getting either the G25 of G27. I've also herd about the Driving Force GT. Is that a special wheel made specifically for GT5 cause it says its for playstation 3.

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JackC8
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 7:35:41 AM

Yeah, the Logitech Driving Force GT is the official wheel of GT5, it even has the GT logo in the center. Look it up on Amazon.com and they have a video of Kazunori Yamauchi talking about it and demo'ing it. GT5 will have some real-time tuning adjustments you can do while driving, and the Driving Force GT has a special control knob designed just for that. I've had one for quite a while now and I love it. Of course the more expensive wheels have two motors instead of one, and a gated shifter, so you have to decide what you like best.

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NoSmokingBandit
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 10:12:32 AM

Pretty much any Logitech wheel is going to be great, it just depends on how much cash you are willing to spend on a peripheral to use for just a few games. I have a DFGT and i enjoy it quite a bit. I have no desire to drop and extra $100 on a G25. From what i hear theres not much about the 27 that justifies its high price tag, so stick with either the G25 or DFGT.

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BikerSaint
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 2:47:35 PM

Dridion,
Just an FYI,
If you want to check them out just as a reference point, Arnold did a review of both, the Logitech G25 & G27 wheels.

And although they're both rather high priced, Arnold rated both up there in the high 9's range....

Logitech G25 Review
(9.6 rating)
http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-hardware-reviews/2.html

Logitech G27 Review
(9.7 rating)
http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-hardware-reviews/3.html

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Dridion
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 9:30:13 PM

Wow thanks for the great response guys. I'll be sure to look at the reviews and also the features. Like you guys said, either wheel should be fantastic for the game. I'm leaning toward at g25 or maybe DFGT. I want something that feels and sounds good.

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Victor321
Sunday, August 29, 2010 @ 11:41:57 PM
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I mentioned this in the comments in your Week in Review Ben, am really glad that everyone knows this now.

Deciding whether to do the install or not was a no-brainer of course!

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556pineapple
Sunday, August 29, 2010 @ 11:48:58 PM
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One of the many nice things about the PS3 is the option to very easily upgrade the hard drive. I'm taking the 10 GB install.

Last edited by 556pineapple on 8/29/2010 11:52:17 PM

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TheHighlander
Sunday, August 29, 2010 @ 11:51:09 PM
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I'm betting that the 10GB is the world data for the tracks. It will need to be on the HDD so it can be streamed while driving. The BluRay is OK for ordinary gaming, but as Criterion found out, you can run into it's limits if you attempt to stream data as required off the Bluray. They went to an HDD install as well which helped greatly.

Well, I have more than enough room for this, so no problem there.

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Benzin
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 12:03:59 AM
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Definitely gonna be an install for me.

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gangan19
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 12:06:19 AM
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The space is not the problem! it's how long will it take to install?

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Dridion
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 12:16:12 AM

Yup that's my one and only grief. other than that I'll be fine.

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ffrevenge
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 3:29:34 AM

The MGS4 one took 8 minutes and that was 4.6GB so... 20 minutes?

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Dridion
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 10:01:56 AM

What about the Naruto one? Didn't that take like around 30 mins as well as the DMC4 one? That took about 30 mins/1 hr. I can't recall how big the files were but I'm pretty sure they didn't pass the 10GB mark. Either way like I said before, I guess they're trying to much us wait that much more once we actually HAVE the game in our hands lol. It's all for a good cause so no worries here.

Last edited by Dridion on 8/30/2010 10:02:33 AM

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raiden213
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 1:09:17 AM
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its a good thing my motorstorm 80gb ps3 bundle is upgraded to 320gb already, so no worry on my part of having my ps3 hard drive getting filled up anytime soon since i still have 200gb plus free.

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Pandacastro
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 1:28:19 AM
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Is there a way yo check how much space you have left?

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ffrevenge
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 3:29:01 AM

What, on your PS3? Settings>System Settings>System Information. It's next to "Free Space"

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ZettaiSeigi
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 1:29:47 AM
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Funny that an optional install is actually larger than the capacity of a DVD9. Just goes to show how huge GT5 is going to be.

I read this tidbit on another site and there's this guy there who cursed at Polyphony Digital for the massive install size. I told him that it's an optional install. Optional. No wonder I hardly ever participate on discussions on other sites. *shrug*

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stemon
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 1:57:49 AM
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yeah PandaCastro.. XMB, Settings, System Settings, System Information.

As for the install I would deffo do it, if I was buying this cant wait for it to sell loads but I have never liked racing games. I do know GT is the cream of the crop though.

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Lawless SXE
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 2:08:32 AM
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Okay, well I figure enormous load times and possible frame rate issues will be the result of not installing. If that's the casem then I will definitely install it. Unfortunately, I'm still running on my original 60GB, so I think Imma have to get a new one soon. Also, less than two weeks until I can pre-order my Signature Edition... Can't wait!
Peace.

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___________
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 2:19:50 AM
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wow, i hope it plays well off the disk.
some of us are not made out of money sony!
its not enough im spending 800 on this (500 for G27 and 300 for signature edition) i now need to spend more on a larger HDD?

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TheHighlander
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 2:42:57 AM

Considering you can purchase a several hundred GB HDD for something like $60 (USD), I'm not sure that your complaint is valid if you're willing to spend so much on the wheel and special edition of the game. Stop complaining and upgrade your HDD, no sense in playing scrooge just so you can whine about it.

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spiderboi
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 3:15:49 AM

i think his fears are same as mine on the probability of the HDisk change failure.

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ffrevenge
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 3:27:56 AM

There is no failure and it doesn't void the warranty. Best of all, you can buy an enclosure for a few dollars and use your old hard drive as an external.

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spiderboi
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 7:19:04 AM

Is that so? Pardon my ignorance then :)

Btw, so when i move my files, everything transfers ie game datas, saves? Or do I need to use a flashdrive for my saves?

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___________
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 8:22:38 AM

what 800 is not enough?
sorry bub, you may be made out of cash, but i aint!

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Underdog15
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 8:55:43 AM

@Spiderboi
If you back up your entire HDD onto an external HDD or large flash drive, it will transfer everything including all your saves. Even the ones that don't allow you to transfer them manually.

@Anonymous Cowpatty
Obviously you are made of cash if you spend $800 on this game... You're completely irrational (not to mention irritating)... why you would spend that much on one game, is beyond me. That's what many people spend on an HDTV these days!

Upgrading the size of your HDD is by far the cheapest thing to do of all your doing.

If it's THAT big of a deal that you can't install 10gb of info, then don't! You don't have to! I can't believe that in the wake of spending a ridiculous $800 on ONE GAME, you have the gall to complain that you don't have enough money to upgrade your HDD. So not only are you irrational... you're pious, too!

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TheHighlander
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 9:20:33 AM

What Underdog said.

Honestly, you're quibbling over a fraction of the cost of your steering wheel here. If you're willing to drop that kind of money on a single game accessory, why not a fraction of that amount on something that benefits your entire PS3? I love how you try to turn it around though. As irrational as ever.

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Snaaaake
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 9:46:53 AM

The CE for LBP2 and GT5 are already burning my pocket this fall and I ain't complaining.
I'm not made out of cash either.

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Underdog15
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 10:10:26 AM

Ah well... this all comes from the guy who, in the MoH thread, claimed that the difference between taliban and Nazi's, was that the Nazi's didn't kill thousands of innocent people...

So, any misinformation from _________ really can't come as a surprise....

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Mornelithe
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 2:32:00 AM
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Oh no, whatever shall I do!!!! This means I'll only have 160g free, rather than 170g!!!! *rolls eyes*

This is a serious non-issue for PS3 owners, you can get a 120g HDD for $40, and a $320 for less than a hundred. Takes less than 5 minutes to swap a drive too. Take advantage of 3rd party HDD support folks, it's one of many things Sony did right this gen.

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Underdog15
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 8:56:31 AM

My 500gb HDD was under $50.

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Robochic
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 2:39:20 AM
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No brainer total install when I get the game.

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Snaaaake
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 2:42:43 AM
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The 10GB install will be painful as it's gonna take long and be like,"FINALLY AFTER 5 YEARS!!! WOOHOOO!!! Wait.....20 more minutes for install? FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-!!!"

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ffrevenge
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 3:33:18 AM

98%... 99%.... Install failed. Now combusting PS3, because the system doesn't want to have to do that all over again.

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Snaaaake
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 4:29:24 AM

Now that would SUCK REAL BAD!!

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spiderboi
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 3:08:41 AM
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I hope the 256 install will also be of a bearable experience, since my space isn't that big right now :(

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Lawless SXE
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 3:24:35 AM

Huh, what? 256 MB is like... bugger all. If you can't fit that one your hard drive, you definitely need to upgrade.
Peace.

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ffrevenge
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 3:26:47 AM

That's not what he meant. He meant that he hoped that the game would be bearable to play with the 256MB install and without the 10GB one.

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Snaaaake
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 4:31:53 AM

I feel the same way too spiderboi.

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Lawless SXE
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 5:17:04 AM

My bad...

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spiderboi
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 7:20:24 AM

spot on ffrulez. I wouldn't want to delete some of the games I've downloaded, since download speeds on my country is piss-poor...

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TheHighlander
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 9:35:22 AM

I'd imagine that the game will cache as much as it can to the HDD temporarily while you play, but when it initially reads the data for the track you're racing there could be stutters while the game streams the data. So without the 10GB optional install, every time you play the game will have to re-cache data to the HDD as you play. This will be more bearable than if everything was red off the BluRay, and the 256MB install will undoubtedly contain the most frequently used resource files for the game. But for things like the nearly 13 mile track in Germany who's name escapes my spelling ability, the amount of data needed to reproduce the track is many more times what can be held in system memory at one time, and has to be streamed. That streaming will be OK for all but the fastest cars. I think you'll find that in the fastest cars there will be times when you are going so fast that the game has a hard time streaming the course data to keep up with you and it will stutter - for instance when belting downhill on the almost straight towards the end of the course.

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SmokeyPSD
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 3:43:22 AM
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highest option always. smoother gameplay should be a priority

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RadioHeader
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 4:20:34 AM
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Mine's only a 40G, but I have exactly 10G spare :) ...and more when I uninstall GT5P. I'll be spending most of my time racing online, so I guess I'll need to wait for those who haven't installed anyways.

Btw, I have no problem with the cash for a new HD, but have no computer or any external memory device for the change-over.

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Snaaaake
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 4:26:00 AM

40G?
You should upgrade dude, nowadays that ain't enough.

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RadioHeader
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 8:49:21 AM

Way to make me feel inferior, Snaaaaaaaaake! You're totally my new best friend...

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Underdog15
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 9:03:54 AM

No computer could make things tricky, lol. With only 40GB now, getting a flash drive or external HDD for back up shouldn't be too expensive. Of course, it would be easier just to find a friend who has one.

Other than that, the only thing you'd be sacrificing with no back-up, would really just be the game saves. Since you have no external, I guess that means you have no music or other files on the PS3. If you're ok with losing game saves, you'll be fine. All PSN purchases can be re-downloaded, your games will reinstall system data next time you play them, and you can simply re-sync your trophies with the server! (Sync your trophies before you swap HDD's)

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RadioHeader
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 9:28:22 AM

Underdog - Thanks, I'll look into these external HDDs you speak of.

Snaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake - Just kidding.

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TheHighlander
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 9:28:41 AM

@RadioHeader,

How much that is on your HDD is HDD installs of games? Seems like you already know how to bring the backup size below 32GB, and 32GB USB sticks are in the $50 range now. But if you can drop the amount you need to backup down to below 16GB or 8GB, you can take that cost down to $25 for a 16GB and $12-$13 for an 8GB. Unless you have a tone of stuff you can't either re-download or re-install from disc, the only thing on the HDD that you *have* to have is your game saves. Sure it's inconvenient to re-install and redownload. But if you're running around 30GB used on a 40GB drive, it's not undoable. I guess it depends whether you have an ISP bandwidth cap or not.

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Snaaaake
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 9:52:04 AM

Well I certainly didn't mean to, but when most things comes at GBs', you really need a bigger HDD.

And this is for that punch you threw twice, RADIO HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDD!!

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RadioHeader
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 9:55:34 AM

...EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRR

Get it right Snaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake lol

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RobiinzZ
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 4:39:18 AM
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i only have my standerd 80gb hdd, but im willing to lose an 1/8th for GT5.

Also, if you back-up your hdd and transfer it to a new one, do all your saves transfer, even the copy protected ones??

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Mornelithe
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 5:11:16 AM

No, there are some files that won't move at all. So honestly, the sooner you get the upgrade done the better, because you will lose some of your saves.

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RobiinzZ
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 5:32:14 AM

Ok, thanks for that, kinda sucks tbf, i'll have to upgrade very soon so i dont lose too many.

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spiderboi
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 7:21:30 AM

d'oh this was what I asked above. anyways, i think my free space for my 80GB is 12GB so its a bit safe still

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Underdog15
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 9:04:58 AM

Wait, that's not true. If you do a system back up, THEY WILL TRANSFER!!!!

You just can't MANUALLY transfer protected files.

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TheHighlander
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 9:21:15 AM

What Underdog says is 100% accurate - as usual.

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JPBooch
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 10:45:34 AM

If you back it up to a fat32 drive, you will be able to install it onto the SAME PS3 and everything will transfer.

If you buy a new slim, then there is a transfer tool that uses an internet cable to transfer everything 100% too.

Either way, Sony got you covered.

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rogers71
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 6:18:38 PM

@Robinz,
The only time you will lose data is if you try to install backed up data to a new PS3. If you back up your data and then install a new hdd, then install the backed up data to your new hdd, you will not lose any data.

Just be sure you sync your trophies before the change and then once you install the back up to your new hdd, sync your trophies again.

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Mornelithe
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 9:17:26 PM

Sorry, I had issues with a few files when I did my HDD swap, I did a full backup (with a 750g external HDD, so no space issues). Maybe Sony's changed some things since I did my swap, but yeah, I definitely lost a couple saves.

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, August 31, 2010 @ 10:48:16 PM

Last time I did it, I couldn't finish the backup of my HDD due to corruption on the drive. I was forced to manually backup what I could and just blow the rest away. Take a backup of your system on a semi-regular basis. It will save your sanity one day.

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Deleted User
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 6:16:52 AM
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GT 5 will be definite install for me. i have the 120gb slim i should be good to go MGS4 + GT5 = one unhappy harddrive.

Last edited by n/a on 8/30/2010 6:17:21 AM

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kiwami_nemesis
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 6:20:41 AM
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This is a good excuse to upgrade my 80GB because it's full. Whatever drive size I use gonna be 7200rpm to speed load times.

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JackC8
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 7:19:31 AM
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Ten gigabytes is fine - should fit nicely on my 500 GB drive :)

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Underdog15
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 9:09:12 AM
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To the guys above looking to transfer to a new HDD...

If you do a system back up onto an external HDD, ALL your PS3 save files, INCLUDING THE COPY PROTECTED ONES, -will-, I repeat, WILL transfer.

The copy protection simply prevents users from manually transferring the save files off of the system it is registered to. Since a HDD back up is a complete copy of the system information, the save files are still registered to the system, and they cannot be accessed by anything but the game!

So in short, a back up will keep all copy protected save files. You just can't manually transfer them in your menu. Go ahead and upgrade!

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TheHighlander
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 9:23:48 AM

Indeed. There's no reason to avoid upgrading your HDD is you want the space, you need to backup your system, but all your game saves will transfer. If you are worried about having enough space for the backup, simply delete some of your HDD installs and PSN downloads to the point where what you need to backup matches the size of whatever USB stick you are using (unless you have an external USB HDD of course).

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JPBooch
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 10:51:24 AM

He might be confused with the fact that if you take a backup and restore it to a different PS3, the copyrighted data will not transfer. The same PS3 transfers 100%

It's a common misconception with all the YLOD's that have happened. The new transfer tool took care of the problem.

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spiderboi
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 1:46:47 PM

cookie for you underdog.

for profiles and activation of PS3 games, does it also carry over? A friend of mine shared a copy of his game but he's already gone past 5 downloads...

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Underdog15
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 3:55:43 PM

You're still fine. As long as it's the same PS3, it also won't matter.

If you need some of your activations back, you can deactivate from other systems, and if that's not possible, you can have Sony do it by giving customer service a phone call.

But yeah, if all you're doing is upgrading the HDD, everything should remain identical (assuming you back-up using the back-up feature). The only difference being that you have more space available thanks to that new HDD!

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RadioHeader
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 9:53:06 AM
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Nice one guys. USB stick oughtta do me. I didn't know they were as big as 32G now (that does indeed make my 40G hard drive seem kinda antiquishy).

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Underdog15
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 10:02:25 AM

For sure! If you wanna do it, I suggest doing 500gb. It's only slightly more expensive than a 300-ish gb HDD (a couple bucks, maybe).

You could -try- to go higher, but most people have trouble getting their PS3 to partition off more than about 470-490-ish GB. I've heard some people say they got 1TB to work, but in truth, my 500GB HDD is only around 483GB. You can risk higher if you want. I couldn't tell you how to make 1TB work. I just took the safe route and got a 500.

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JPBooch
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 10:48:29 AM

You can also install a fat32 partition onto any HDD and plug it into your PS3 via USB.

I made a fat32 drive from a 100 GB HDD I had and used a special wire that converts any HDD to be able be used on USB. Making the drive can be tricky but you can google it to see how it's done.

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TheHighlander
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 12:00:35 PM

Drives greater than 500GB use a new low level format that the PS3 doesn't recognize. Some of the better drives can emulate the older low level format which allows them to work. It depends greatly on the drive you use.

A hard disc is formatted at the low level using sectors. Forever and a day it's been 512byte sectors. Each sector has it's own error correction bits and other overhead, all of which mounts up and reduces the amount of room available to data. To squeeze ever more bytes onto a limited physical space HDD makers are using 4KB sectors which use far less space for the error correction than 8 512byte sectors did, less space is lost to overhead in general. However, the firmware in a computer must be able to recognize the new format, or the drive will not work.

WD (for example) makes some drives that make the 4KB sectors look like 512byte sectors. It's done inside the drive and the computer using the drive never has to know about it. Drives that do this are compatible with the PS3, drives that only show the 4KB sectors won't work until the PS3 firmware is updated to cope.

This is true for PCs as well.

It's a bit of a buyer beware situation right now because we're kind of in a transition phase, so both are available and not all systems have had firmware updates provided yet.

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Underdog15
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 12:50:56 PM

huh... good to know, Highlander. So, I take it that with appropriate research, you can get a 1TB HDD to work no problem.

I'm not going to worry about it for myself at the time being. I obviously didn't do proper research, what with my 500gb only showing up as 483. I'm ok with that, though, since I got it for under $50 and the fact that I upgraded from 60GB.

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TheHighlander
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 1:16:09 PM

It should be OK, but I would definitely do the research first and make sure you can send the drive back if it doesn't work. I'm not sure what Sony's limit is in the firmware/file system for drive size.

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rogers71
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 6:23:42 PM

@Underdog,
The easiest thing to do at this point would be to upgrade with a 500 and use Seagate HDD's. Seagate is what the PS3 currently uses.

I tried a Western Digital and some of the WD HDD's have a power saving feature that powers down the drive so when I was trying to play a game, if the hdd wasn't accessed for say 8 - 10 mins, the game would pause or stutter while the hdd came out of sleep mode.

After that experience, I went to the 500 Seagate and haven't experienced any issues. I bought the WD hdd from Tiger direct and I didn't have an issue of sending it back. I had to pay return shipping though.

If you want to upgrade and go with something you know is going to work, go with a 500 Seagate.

Last edited by rogers71 on 8/30/2010 6:25:16 PM

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, August 31, 2010 @ 10:18:01 AM

@Rogers,

What Wd HDD was that with the power-save feature? I think I'd like to avoid that one.

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leatherface
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 11:50:01 AM
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to be or not to be. damn if you do or damn if you don't. i just want to play you GT5.

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DazeOfWar
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 11:51:22 AM
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Since I put in a 320gb drive in my system this will be a definite install for me.

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Alienange
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 12:12:55 PM
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As insane as this news is, I guess technically you can pop the game in and play right away. When the gaming day is done you can then choose to let it do it's 45 minute install while you sleep or something...

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Underdog15
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 12:51:43 PM

or eat!

Hey! Don'chu eat and put those grubby paws on MY controller!!!

:)

Last edited by Underdog15 on 8/30/2010 12:51:50 PM

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Alienange
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 2:39:24 PM

You can hit the X button with your chin.

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, August 31, 2010 @ 9:43:56 AM

The GT5 Prolog install is about the same once you let it install and download the latest updates...

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NoSmokingBandit
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 1:30:47 PM
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I have 80gb in my ps3, and i'll be wanting to install GT5 (whats a 20 minute install when i'll be playing the game for months?), so i have to decide if i want to clear off some old data or just get a new HDD. I'll just keep an eye on Newegg's Shell Shock deals for a new hdd.

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THEVERDIN
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 5:53:19 PM
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No problem I upgraded to 500GB about a month after I bought my 80GB machine. Gentlemen Start Your Engines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Him
Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 10:58:40 PM
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I should probably get a new hard drive, anyone notice the difference between a 7200 rpm and a 5400 rpm drive?

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Maiq The Liar
Tuesday, August 31, 2010 @ 9:40:43 AM

Nooooooope! :)))

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, August 31, 2010 @ 9:43:15 AM

The speed difference is very small, choose a drive with as large a cache as you can, it will help with speed. 7200rpm drives do put out more heat, so you generally want to get a 5400 rpm drive. However, the easiest way to judge it is the power consumption numbers. When comparing drives for use in a laptop or PS3 you want the drive that uses the least power that otherwise matches your capacity and quality criteria. Less power = less heat. Lower rpm = less heat. Less heat = good. Be careful not to get a drive that can automatically enter it's own power saving sleep mode or you may find that if the drive enters sleep mode your game(s) will stutter while the drive spins back up.

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Him
Tuesday, August 31, 2010 @ 5:43:19 PM

Thanks guys

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Zorigo
Tuesday, August 31, 2010 @ 6:35:39 PM
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I'll install it, but god damn do i need a new hdd. this old 40gb aint cuttin it!

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JROD0823
Wednesday, September 01, 2010 @ 1:55:08 PM
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I don't get why so many people don't just upgrade their damn hard drives when they buy a PS3 in the first place, it saves having to go through the trouble later on. I know this from personal experience and I didn't procrastinate when I bought my 160GB PS3 last week, (P.S. Ben, the 160GB PS3s are already the default system now, lol), and it's a solid 500GB now. My next slim will be at least 1TB, once the prices go down and the standard tech specs are a little improved.

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JROD0823
Wednesday, September 01, 2010 @ 2:34:26 PM
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@ shadowpal2, the 320GB Gran Turismo 5 bundle is only available in Japan, so unless you live there or want to spend an absurd amount for imorting it, then don't hold your breath.

@TheHighlander, no offense, but the heat output difference between 5400rpm and 7200rpm is negligible, a study only found a 2-3 degree fahrenheit difference. So I respectfully disagree and say go with the 7200rpm if you can because it will drastically improve load times.

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Crabba
Wednesday, September 01, 2010 @ 8:14:16 PM
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I love when games have optional installs, that way people who want to/have space on their HD can take that tiny bit of extra time to get better performance and load times when actually playing the game! I wish more games did that.

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