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FFXIII PS3 Sells Three Times More Than FFXIII 360

We distinctly recall some guy at Microsoft claiming Final Fantasy XIII would sell more copies on the Xbox 360. We know Square-Enix thought going multiplatform with the series was the right thing to do.

Well, we hope the veteran role-playing publisher is happy with a million and a half sales of the 360 version worldwide. That's about 1/3 of the overall number, according to a recent VGChartz update, where it seems Microsoft's prediction (even analysts found it to be a little nutty) fell flat. With worldwide sales of about 5.75 million and 4.24 million copies of the PS3 version, it's clear that Sony's platform is still the console of choice for followers of the legendary franchise. We could bear in mind that the game didn't release for the 360 in Japan, but then again, what if it had? There are about 12 360s in that region so it probably wouldn't have mattered much, and Square-Enix obviously knew that. Besides, the PS3 version still sold twice as many copies as the 360 version in Europe, and it even won in North America. Remember that the 360 has a much larger lead in terms of console sales in the US - the gap shrinks to about 4 million if you count all global sales - so this statistic is also very significant.

Will this dissuade Square-Enix in the future? Nah. We're certain they view those 1.5 million 360 copies as a stone-cold success. Now we'll just wait for Versus XIII to be announced for the 360...and sell 1/4 what the PS3 version does.

Related Game(s): Final Fantasy XIII

Tags: ffxiii, final fantasy xiii, square-enix, ffxiii sales

9/3/2010 10:18:24 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (123 posts)

Highlander
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 10:41:06 AM
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Well, as distasteful as it is to see their betrayal of a loyal fanbase, selling 1.5 million copies of a game at about $60 a pop is $90 million in sales revenue of which they will see something like $25-$30 million. I would bet a large chunk of that that it cost them less than that to port the game to the 360, and the sweetener from MS helped too. So from their business point of view it makes sense.

On the other hand, the PS3 is clearly more fertile territory for them, both in Japan, and in the western markets. The statistics for the sales in the US are particularly impressive for the PS3 as it really does have a significant disadvantage vs the 360 install base in the US. A multi-plat game where the PS3 version outsells the 360 version in the US? That has to be a first.

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piratedrunk
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 11:10:54 AM

Also considering the advertising only mentioned the 360 version I would say that is pretty huge.

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Highlander
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 12:08:37 PM

Absolutely, I'd forgotten that.

Wonder whether the moro...businessmen in charge at SE will realize that they have a loyal base on the PS3. Of course, if they do, they'll probably just worry that they haven't got as many on the 360...

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Nynja
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 12:14:09 PM

Right. With the incentives from Microsoft and the profit earned on 360 sales, Final Fantasy will continue to be multiplatform.

This is more likely the reason for FFvXIII delay beyond 2011.

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shadowpal2
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 1:16:58 PM

And even the arrogant silly little fanboy from M$ - Aaron Greenberg said that the Xbox 360 version of the game will sell more than the PS3. WOW - for the first time in a while I hear Xbots in silence regarding FFXIII.

Oh and I believe the day is coming soon when MyVoucherCodes.co.uk goes bankrupt considering their moronic claim that the Xbox 360 version of FFXIII will outsell the PS3 version by 2:1.

http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/03/02/final-fantasy-xiii-xbox-360-will-outsell-ps3-version-by-21/

Ridiculous huh?

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Dancemachine55
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 11:53:02 PM

Said it before and I'll say it again....

Microsoft ruined the video game market!!!!

This is a clear indication of how they failed to do what they've been doing with other games and other franchises. They buy the rights, with no artistic credit themselves, and claim their console and their version of the game is better.

If it weren't for Xbox Live and Halo, Xbox would be a memory like the 3DO, or Sega Saturn, or Virtual Boy.

Damn you Microsoft Gaming division. You managed to take a beautiful artistic industry and turn it into a money-hungry soulless corporate business. Thanks to you, games are about making millions of dollars with a sub-par prodcuct. I don't know how those guys sleep at night.

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Wissam
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 10:41:56 AM
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This game does not deserve these sales.

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Underdog15
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 10:51:22 AM

Why not?

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Wissam
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 11:05:09 AM

these sales should have gone to gow3 or uncharted 2. this game was a huge letdown that's why. that's my opinion of course.

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Jawknee
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 11:21:23 AM

Yea the game blew chunks for a Final Fantasy.

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Underdog15
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 11:28:02 AM

Fair enough.

I do agree it was a let down of a Final Fantasy, but the game in and of itself deserves above average sales. Compare it's actual quality (not perceived due to fan loyalty) to that of MW2. I know they're different genres, but I mean, there are worse games than FFXIII that still sold better.

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LimitedVertigo
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 1:17:08 PM

Meh,

I've grown to appreciate FFXIII for what it does right and I LOVE the soundtrack and the storyline. While it may not be the best within the FF series it's one of the best games I've played thus far this generation and I've put far more hrs into FFXIII than UC2.

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Jawknee
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 3:39:26 PM

Not me. I havent even finished it yet. I got to the end and gave up. The game started to feel like a chore and the battle system was unbearable by the end. I may go back to it at some point but as of right now it's not doing for me what other Final Fantasy have done. Besides X-2 this is the only other FF I gave up on before completion.

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LimitedVertigo
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 3:44:02 PM

*gasp*

X-2 had great depth in its gameplay and the multiple endings were a great ending to the storyline introduced in X.

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Jawknee
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 4:17:51 PM

Ha I never made it past the Thunder fields or what ever they were called. I still own it. I may give it another try since we are lacking proper JRPG's this gen.

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aaronisbla
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 7:13:32 PM

X-2's battle system was probably one of the best as far as turn base is concerned in a FF game. So far, FF13 is the only ff game that im certain i will never play more than once. Beating it once was enough for me, didn't even try to grab the trophies

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frylock25
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 10:44:29 AM
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about time a game blows away the 360 that is multiplat. i still think the game was gimped for the 360. 1.5 million is still a lot of sales to justify going multiplat but i just wish the other system was on the same page as the one i play my games on.

how bout the stats on how many people traded in their copy of it? lol

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Jawknee
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 11:24:58 AM

Notice how most if not all once 3rd party exclusives to Sony have gone down in terms of quality this gen after going multiplatform?

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maxpontiac
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 1:18:57 PM

Man Jawknee. You speak the truth.

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Naga
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 4:52:00 PM

Its common knowledge

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Caanimal
Saturday, September 04, 2010 @ 11:19:37 AM

Games gotta be made to the lowest common denominator... And that just happens to be the 360... It's really no wonder PS3 exclusives blow everything the 360 has out of the water all the way around...

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DeusExMachina
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 10:48:39 AM
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Ye, if Vs.XIII goes multiplat, thats the final nail in the coffin for Square-Enix in my books. Seriously I see their drop in quality as the biggest ever in game history. They were literally the RPG kings for about 2.5 gens (they did awesomely on the snes and PS1, and for about half of the PS2 gen). What the HELL, S-E?

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Highlander
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 10:56:33 AM

They're still trying to take FFXIV multi, so why not Ys. XIII?

The delay on the PS3 version has nothing (IMHO) to do with coding prolbems with that version, it's all to do with them still trying to secure a release on the 360.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 1:28:31 PM

You are probably right Highlander, and of course they would want a simultaneous release.

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main_event05
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 10:55:09 AM
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This isn't surprising at all.

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BikerSaint
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 10:25:38 PM

Highlander is right.

And I posted an article on it earlier in another FF thread about SE begging MS to change some XBL restrictions, so MS can re-fill SE's bungholes again with more soft 2-ply greenbacks.



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Orvisman
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 11:18:37 AM
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The funny thing is that FFXIII would have sold the same amount of copies if the 360 version didn't exist.

The only thing SE accomplished was preventing Sony from selling another million-plus PS3s, which is funny because Sony holds stock in SE.

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sonic1899
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 11:21:07 AM
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I'm not sure if Square cares much about this. They'll still pay attention to the number of 360s [shipped] and will continue to cater to that fan base.

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Jawknee
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 11:22:06 AM
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Greentoad says a lot of things that aren't true.

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maxpontiac
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 11:24:15 AM
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No one should be surprised over this. I sure hope SE isn't. I also sure hope that SE learned a thing or two about the Playstation 3 fan base.

The 1.5 million 360 versions sold are an indicator of 360 loyalty to me, nothing more, nothing less.

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Sancho
Monday, September 06, 2010 @ 7:03:33 AM

I know I'm late to the conversation but I read on a lot of sites like Kotaku where xbots where saying they have both systems, but were buying it for xbox to show their love to M$.

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ace_boon_coon
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 12:00:44 PM
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i bought this game for 20 bucks brand new at best buy, and i still feel ripped off. all i did was press the x button the whole time. smh this game sucks

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 12:28:57 PM

Not to nitpick, but I'm pretty sure you only press one button in most all FFs. You only selected commands with one button in turn-based RPGs, remember?

That's hardly the reason FFXIII was sub-par for the series. Overall, it was a great game in its own right.

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Hezzron
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 1:31:24 PM

Even I bought FF13 for the PS3 thanks to that Best Buy deal....and trust me, at this point, that's saying something.

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pillz81
Saturday, September 04, 2010 @ 11:31:05 AM

I started dozing off during a battle and won by the time I woke.

This happened.

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Wissam
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 12:03:23 PM
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BTW vgcharts is not the most reliable source in the internet. they are a joke.

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Victor321
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 12:12:43 PM

A joke that's been cited by numerous news sites around the world, none or very few that are illegitimate news sites ("fanboy sites" are one kind)?

Their predictions are at least close, and far better than other "tracking sites" I've seen on the net.

What you're saying is a joke, and a bad one at that.

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Wissam
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 12:16:28 PM

Well you got me.and as you say (Their predictions) what makes you sure they are close to the real one ?

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Victor321
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 4:08:51 PM

They've been tracking console and game sales for over a decade now, and they've always been not off the mark. There are things I can nitpick at, such as their estimates for the PS3 sales (they're at least 4 million off lol...) but in the grand scheme of things, they're reliable.

Additionally, they do really really long analysis articles, forecasts, and the like. It's probably late, but sorry if I came off rude.

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Wissam
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 6:10:33 PM

Do not worry about it I know that the majority of this site are good guys and true gamers.

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Victor321
Monday, September 06, 2010 @ 7:01:12 AM

Thanks for the reply, you put me at ease Wissam =)

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Kai200X
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 12:08:20 PM
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I'm afraid even though they can clearly see who are their royal fanbase, they will not change their way.

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coverton341
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 12:09:01 PM
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The most humorous thing about all of this is that like you state Ben, SE most likely sees those 1.5 million copies on the 360 a huge success and rightly so. 1.5 million copies is nothing to scoff at, but on the other hand, had they made a more traditional FF game and left it exclusive to the PS3 and it had only sold 4 million copies they would have looked at that and regarded it as a failure. I am certain of this.

That kind of attitude is why they changed the game up in the first place, because the "Western" market had not been coming around to their Japanese style in their eyes. These 1.5 million sales might be paltry in comparison to the sales of the PS3 but I can guarantee that they see it as a clear indicator that catering to the western "twitch" gamer is the way they need to go to succeed, instead of seeing it rationally and thinking that most people bought it on name recognition alone and were expecting something else.

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ro kurorai
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 12:20:01 PM

as long as SE don't f*** up vXIII by going multi I don't really care about those numbers. FFXVIII was a decent game, but a disappointing RPG/FF.

I'm putting all my faith in FFvXIII - the game I've been looking forward to since I've got my PS3 - should SE screw this up for a 360 port then I'm most likely done buying their games.

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coverton341
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 12:35:14 PM

To be honest I think it is just a matter of time before we hear the posting announcement. Everything that is surrounding FFvXIII is much too reminiscent of what happened with XIII. Though, I don't think they will remove the world map, NPCs, and towns again even if they do release it on both systems. I'd like to believe that they learned their lesson with the amount of fan backlash over that in XIII, but that could just be wishful thinking.

We'll see. If it is a multiplat game I am definitely going to be waiting on reviews and to see actual game play before buying it.

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Underdog15
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 1:16:11 PM

i don't really think SE has felt any backlash from fans.

Remember when a couple months ago, Wada was absolutely shocked that people would actually like a FFVII remake? Something people had been screaming for since the tech demo 4-5 years ago?

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coverton341
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 3:23:52 PM

Great point Underdog. I didn't want to believe it but I think they are so detached from their fans that they really have no idea what they want or the fact that the number of real fans they have are dwindling away before their eyes.

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Victor321
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 12:09:50 PM
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"Now we'll just wait for Versus XIII to be announced for the 360...and sell 1/4 what the PS3 version does."

And hope that the superior version doesn't get compromised by that amount, maybe even more.

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WolfCrimson
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 12:11:12 PM
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Now I can wait for MS to add the number of copies available in those unsold FFXIII 360 bundles, which is a guaranteed, what 4 million? and then go "AH SEE? WE SOLD MORE THAN PS3".

What fun!

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CHAOS THEORY X
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 12:13:11 PM
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Both versions still sucked... (IMO)

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BTNwarrior
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 12:15:12 PM
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and yet every single FF13 advertisement was followed by that 360 logo which usually is for exclusives

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LimitedVertigo
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 1:19:02 PM

Haha, ya...I remember watching Adult Swim and every time there was a FFXIII commercial it was for the 360.

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Ultimate_Balla
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 12:33:26 PM
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12 360s. LOL.

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SirLoin of Beef
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 12:55:36 PM
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I have both consoles and am glad I got the PS3 version. Better presentation and not having to use multiple discs are pluses in my book.

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Alienange
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 1:02:28 PM
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Now that I see the numbers all together like this I realize just how much of an epic fail FFXIII is for SE.

I'll tell you why. FFXIII is the way it is because of the 360. Don't believe anyones lies. The game is gimped. Had they stayed exclusive to Playstation and gave us a FF in the vain of 6,7,8,9 or 10, would the game have sold better than it did?

Looking at the sales numbers of previous releases I'd say yes. It looks to me that creating a port for the 360 didn't increase the sales from 4.24 to 5.75, but rather decreased the sales from 7 to 5.75.

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LimitedVertigo
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 1:18:28 PM

Show me the proof that the 360 gimped the overall game. SE took a chance with FFXIII and while it didn't succeed in giving the same rpg quality previous games in the series did I don't put the blame on the 360.

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Underdog15
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 1:18:33 PM

FF10 was pretty linear too. Not really any open world exploration. FF12 brought that back, for sure, but yeah... like you said... FFXIII took a step not just back from world exploration, but completely took a step out of the pool.

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Underdog15
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 1:19:35 PM

@LV
I place a lot of blame on Wada.

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LimitedVertigo
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 1:24:52 PM

I do as well. I believe SE's development troubles and the faults within FFXIII have little to do with current console hardware and more to do with idiotic decisions to "mix" things up for the series.

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maxpontiac
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 2:42:46 PM

Vertigo -

PS3 version is on Blu Ray. The 360 uses DVD's. That alone factors into development.

Would FF13 have more content if the 360's DVD's weren't a factor? Of course it does.

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LimitedVertigo
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 3:02:26 PM

Max your logic is off.

If FFXIII had only been released on one DVD than yes it would be a sure thing that the development of the game was hindered since it takes up a large portion of a Blu-ray disk.

But it doesn't, it takes up multiple DVDs just like 7,8,9 took up 3 or more CDs on PS1.

If the data in a videogame is spread across multiple disks it doesn't automatically mean a company was forced to change its original concepts and mechanics for a game.

Looking at the history of the FXIII development cycle leaves any blame one might have for FXIII's shortcomings on SE, not the 360's disk medium.

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main_event05
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 3:17:15 PM

That's exactly what that means LV. I think that Kojima already broke that down. Something about graphics, story, and others components of a game all being independent of each other, or something like that.

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Shams
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 3:48:35 PM

If you factor in the space taken up by the lavish FMV, and the space-redundancy required for open, HD, worlds, it does become quite obvious why SE adopted a mostly linear game design. Especially, over multiple discs, data-redundancy (multiple copies) is required for open-worlds to reduced disc-switching and load-times. What that means is splitting a game of 12 gigs, for example, isn't as easy as putting 6 gigs on each. For reduncancy they would have to put something like 8 on each. 360's DVD-9 capacity (minus the space required for their disc copyright protection) is something like 6.7, so even that wouldn't work. So, not only is fitting the game on to each disc harder, but it drives up the number of discs required even faster, which drives up the cost (as MS charges even more expensive licensing fees for games requiring more than 2 discs).

So Max's logic is quite sound. The DVD-gimp effect is obvious and is the reason for the game's mostly linear design.

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LimitedVertigo
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 3:55:54 PM

FFX was on one DVD and that game was linear and no one was bitching. The argument is whether or not the 360's use of DVD hampered the direction and development of FFXIII. Show me evidence that this is what happened.

A lot of people are still bitter that SE chose to make FFXIII multiplatform but that doesn't justify blaming DVDs for any shortcomings the game may have. Se's decision for a linear approach to FFXIII was conceived well before their decision to port the game to the 360.

Okay, off to work. Prove me wrong, you've yet to in regards to religion Shams so good luck with this one.




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Jawknee
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 4:47:00 PM

I was pissed there was no air ship or world map in X. I just didn't have a Internet forum to complain on at the time. Haha

XIII being linear didn't bother me all that much. It was the gameplay and the lack of control that put me off.

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maxpontiac
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 6:53:30 PM

Not hardly. You are choosing to ignore the DVD limitations as a viable "fact". Unless you can prove that DVD's didn't effect it, this is nothing more then a case of a disagreement.

I once read that it costs the 360 developers money each time a game goes over one disc. Keeping this in mind, SE had to keep the budget in check. That's a reality.

I also read that SE cut content off of FF13 to some degree. I have to wonder what the real reason is.

I also read the the video and audio had to be compressed for the 360 and it's already 3 disc game. You can go see it first hand for "proof" in that regard.

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Shams
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 10:52:43 PM

@LV:

You asserted Max's logic was flawed by stating that disc format is irrelevant, as a game can be spread over multiple DVD's without a problem. Right? I merely offered additional technological evidence to suggest the contrary.

Furthermore, you mention FFX being linear, and fitting on one disc. That is additional evidence of the design choice.

Regarding our previous exchanges, my aim was not to prove or explain anything to you, as you've made it quite clear that you dismiss anything contrary to your opinion as "b*tching" or rambling. My aim was to speak out for the possible onlooker who would be interested in hearing from other sides. Sorry if that offends you.


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aaronisbla
Saturday, September 04, 2010 @ 1:01:41 AM

i think LV's point is that it can't be proven that dvd limitations held the game back one way or the other and that blame should rightfully be pointed at SE and not 360's choice of disk.

And i think he's right, not saying any of you guys here, but gamers look to blame the 360 for this game's outcome simply because some(not all) are still bitter the game went multiplat. I stand by the opinion that all the downfalls that FF13 has are SE's fault solely

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LimitedVertigo
Saturday, September 04, 2010 @ 6:26:53 AM

Thanks for seeing my point aaronisbla.


Shams,

His logic was flawed because he was assuming with nothing to back up his claim. Kinda like blind faith, eh?

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maxpontiac
Saturday, September 04, 2010 @ 11:55:10 AM

Vertigo -

Blind faith?

Did you not read what I posted? Or are you continuing to ignore the facts I have stated?

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LimitedVertigo
Saturday, September 04, 2010 @ 12:48:03 PM

Max,

My "blind faith" was more of a side jab at Shams, not really directed towards you.


Anyways the ball is in your court to prove something, not for me to disprove it. That's how basic scientific methods work.

I don't dispute that SE cut content from FFXIII, the argument is whether or not it was because of the 360 being involved. Also like I mentioned before just because the game is on 1 Blu-ray disk and multiple DVDs does not mean that the game had to completely change from its intended end product.

It makes sense that a game on multiple disks would/could potentially cost more than a game on 1 disk for the developer. That figure is insignificant in the overall scheme of things that it's hardly evidence that the 360s use of DVDs doomed FFXIII.

The audio and video was compressed for the PS3 version as well, though not as much. This doesn't prove anything.

Look, I'm not trying to be a jerk here but the "evidence" you list doesn't hold up at all. You believe that the 360 is the reason FFXIII was a linear game and didn't turn out how you wanted it to be. I don't see that to be true, not based on the information we currently have.

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Shams
Sunday, September 05, 2010 @ 3:55:27 PM



LOL! Well, LV, call it blind faith, or dyslexia, or whatever you want, because according to math or the scientific method, you've got it quite backwards! Although, it is possible to disprove something, it is never quite possible to directly "prove" anything.

Aside from that, I agree with Max's other doubt, too: Please fully read the comments before replying to them. Besides the cost issue of spreading games across multiple discs, an important technological point regarding data-redundancy was mentioned, too.

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Shams
Sunday, September 05, 2010 @ 5:34:35 PM

As Albert Einstein once said, "No amount of experimentation will ever "prove" me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong."

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 1:26:30 PM
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The embarrassment continues as copies of FFXIII have dropped to $5, especially for the 360 version. But who cares, they made their money right?

I hate how nobody takes claim-makers to task after their predictions fall flat. This information probably surprises the idiots at SE for some reason, and although the proof is right there that jrpg lovers are Playstation owners, they will likely continue to push this sort of nonsense.

Worth it moneywise? Perhaps in the short run, but think how many people are now done with Final Fantasy due to the hackjob they did. I am prepared to throw up my hands upon the multiplat announcement of Versus, simply because it spells the cutting out of as much as a whole extra game in content yet again.

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LimitedVertigo
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 1:35:11 PM

I'll admit I'm guilty of blindly following SE. I'm not really looking forward to Versus since the whole Action RPG genre isn't a genre I really enjoy. I'm interested in it though as a benchmark for what to expect from SE in the future, I'm hoping the simplistic nature of FXIII was just a fluke.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 2:14:32 PM

I hope it's a fluke too, but I agree with you on the soundtrack... superb.

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Snaaaake
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 1:27:47 PM
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Exclusive advertising and bundle...........right.......

Wada : Sugoi!!! I can't believe it sold 1.5 million copies on the 360!!!! Now let's make FFXV exclusive to the 360!!!! BANZAI!!!!!!!

I bet Wada doesn't even know WADA heck is the internet.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 1:37:36 PM
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Ya know, I was such a solitary gamer I didn't participate in any internet game comments or forums until this generation, and while I am fully ready with a pitchfork and torch to rail against the likes of SE and Capcom and others for their directions I gotta ask, was it always this way? Were people up in arms this much during PS1 and PS2 and Xbox 1 days?

I currently feel justified because it affects my super terrific fun time but is the animosity (not between fanboys) but against companies only this big this generation?

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Underdog15
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 2:15:02 PM

Great question. I didn't start participating in forums until this generation, either.

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gumbi
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 2:16:15 PM

I blame the increasing popularity and accessibility of the internet, sites with comments sections, and social networking. I'd say the animosity has always been around, but it's never been able to fester and boil and get the exposure it does now. So while it's certainly worse now, I wouldn't say it's anything new. We just see and hear a lot more of it then we did before the advent of the 'comments section'

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LimitedVertigo
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 2:28:13 PM

I've been online gaming and forum chatting since the late 90s but it certainly wasn't as populated nor were there many sites with a collection of mature and consistent user base (PSXE being a good example).

I hated the N64 and used to voice my opinion on other websites.

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LimitedVertigo
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 3:03:52 PM

use to as well!

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BikerSaint
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 10:49:14 PM

Yes, we've always an internet that I can remember, since way back when, and as far back as 1952

Only,there were no CPU's, no monitors no keyboards, no mouse,and not a cord to plug in anywhere.

It used a low tech, but fool-proof OS system approach that everyone could truly afford too.

And if I can still recollect back to those days, I think it was actually something we used to call.....

"Word Of Mouth"

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Lawless SXE
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 1:49:47 PM
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A friend bought it for the 360, and proceeded to complain about the loading time of games on the PS3. I facepalmed. You can't reason with these people.

Y'know, I thought the disparity between the two sales figures would be larger. What I find funny is that although Xbots all over the internet were crowing about having FF on theis console, the sales figures are miserable. It's almost as though they don't really want these games... Anyway, I'm really hoping that Versus XIII doesn't go multiplatform. That would be the ultimate betrayal. Well, to be honest, I'd rather see it go multiplatform and release in 2011 than stay exclusive and release after next year. Whatever, this news was expected by me, regardless of what the tools at MS say.
Peace.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 2:13:53 PM

You're right they don't want it, they just don't want us to have it all to ourselves.

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Jawknee
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 4:22:00 PM

Problem, if it goes multiplatfom that will likely delay the game further.

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Riku994
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 2:51:30 PM
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BEN WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!? Don't even JOKE about v13 going to 360!... You've disappointed me, my friend :(

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coverton341
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 5:29:51 PM

Unfortunately it is the most logical reason for the delays that FFvXIII is seeing and the lack of information to be had.

Take a look at exactly how the transition from exclusive to multiplatform FFXIII had and draw your own conclusion.

As much as it sucks it seems like the exact same thing they pulled with XIII and I have very slim hopes of VS. staying an exclusive.

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OxyFenix
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 2:56:59 PM
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Before xbox, there were two types of gamers. The hardcore gamer whether it was pc, nintendo or sony. And the occassional gamer. Now these occasional players were formed of potheads, preps, jocks and all types of non-nerdy people. Then xbox arrived with halo. And halo *introduced* online play ( because pc and dreamcast was a joke to them, and they had so much patriot pride up their head they were high of it). So then a new type of gamer was formed. halo worshippers. Of course the game was good at the time and even hardcore gamers were interested. But the gamer population overall grew. People that normally didn't play video games got hooked on halo. this population grew and by now is almost as big as the hardcore base. this base also decided to side with M$ and became xbots. Now the hardcore were not racist, they were diverse but had a loyal friendship with Sony and Square-enix. But SE saw this new fanbase and decided they wanted a piece of that pie. They believe the COD/Halo base of western gamers had far overpopulated the old hardcore gamers. And the numbers were convincing. So instead of continuing their formula of rpgs for the loyal fans, they decided to try and sell to the new gamers instead and basically said "eff YOU!" to the loyal fans. The point is...COD/Halo gamers only play FPS, they don't want to play anything else except COD/Halo. They only buy one or two games a year. The hardcore are diverse so yea they also buy halo and cod but don't get addicted to it as badly as those other gamers. Activision and Nintendo have created a new genre of gamers. Which is why the Wii and COD have broken records. These are not the same people that play Chrono trigger. Sell RPGs to RPG players and FPSs to FPS players. How hard is it to understand this?! So that is how they say is that. (FF reference lol).

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LimitedVertigo
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 3:11:50 PM

First off I think we'd all appreciate a few paragraphs if you're going to type a page worth.


In regards to your content I think you're a little if not way off. There are more than 2 types of gamers, there are lots of different types of gamers including the years before the original xbox and even the PS1.



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Underdog15
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 3:15:28 PM

Hey now, you can be a jock and a nerd!

I played 2 varsity sports in university and even more in high school! But I'm a nerdy nerdo nerd through and through!

lol. As if I'm fighting for my right to be a nerd. ^.^

EDIT: But yeah, as LV said, there's lots of types of gamers. I grew up with sports and video games of all genres since I was 5. In fact, my whole life prior to my career consisted of going to school, playing on a sports team, coming home from a game/practice and playing a video game.

I participate in lots of social activities, athletics, arts, and work all week. But my spare time at home on my own typically involves hardcore gaming. Although I prefer the RPG, I play all genres. FPS (not many though), action, adventure, rpg, sports, racing, etc. All of 'em!

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LimitedVertigo
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 3:19:59 PM

^
What a nerd!

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coverton341
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 3:29:32 PM

Clearly sir you are wrong. You left out the demographic of gamers who will only play Hello Kitty Island Adventure and we are offended.

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LimitedVertigo
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 3:44:26 PM

LOL! I had a great laugh there Covert

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coverton341
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 5:31:19 PM

Glad to be of service. How the hell have you been?

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BikerSaint
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 10:57:01 PM

OxyFenix,
Why, oh, why, would you leave out the 7 gamers who bought Barbie's Riding Academy?

"Oh, the humanity of it all"

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LimitedVertigo
Saturday, September 04, 2010 @ 6:23:40 AM

Covert,

Summer went by way too fast but I'm glad to be back into gaming and back on PSXE discussing them with all of you.

Oh and if you're interested in FFXIV the open beta is available now. I played for several hours Friday morning and enjoyed it a lot. Since the game comes out in less than 2 weeks there are only a few noticeable bugs.

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OxyFenix
Saturday, September 04, 2010 @ 7:14:01 PM

Yea sorry about the no paragraphs and stuff, and yes I understand that their are more than just two types of gamers. What I meant was that SE shouldn't try to appeal to the people who play COD and Halo. They should concentrate on their fans instead. I'm a fan of their games and I also play COD but I'm not an extreme fanatic.

That's all I'm saying. You don't see Sony abandoning their fans on putting all their attention on the Move. They just want a piece of that pie. It seems like SE is putting all their effort on trying to appeal too many types of gamers. Imagine Mortal Kombat Barbie, trying to appeal to gamers who love bloody gory fighters and girls who like barbie games. You might get some buyers(sickos, jk) but I don't think Mothers will buy their daughters that game.

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diecastpe
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 4:23:47 PM
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If verses XIII drops for the 360 i'm just flat out "not" buying it, period. FFXIII was truely ruined because of western influence and the 360 joining the fray, and everyone knows games have to be toned down in size/scale/texture/ETC if a game is made first on PS3 and then ported to the 360. I hope square learnt more from this than 1.5 million because if the game woulda been as good as it could have being console ps3 only exclusive then the game was normally set to be more open and everything as any real fan of the series knew as it was being made from day one, once the announcement of the 360 the game fell through, but still was successful. I hope square see this as a stress test for the series and what's to come....

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TEG3SH
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 5:28:27 PM
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Can I tell them now to shove it ......... God Damnit I don't care it wennt Multi platform, all I care about is that this is not FF its a good RPG but not FF....... bring Turn-based bak( I mean the old school where u control all the characters then i'll be happy.

I also heard that Versus will be the same gameplay as KH. if thats true i'll be pissed off :@

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Athrin
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 5:28:42 PM
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this is why we gonna keep getting crap from SE. over 4 million for the worst FF game made if not the Worst RPG made. Im so glad i did NOT waste my money on this game and got it for free.

I had to force myself to finish this game because it sucked soo bad, Great graphics but everything else was a disgrace to the Final Fantasy name...

Ive read alot of post from here and other places saying people wont buy FFXIII and so on.. and yet over 4 mill copies sold... as long as peaple buy crap only because its got a famous name on it we will continue to get crap from publishers. The last game i Bought, gave my hard erned money for was GoWIII, i get all my games for free but i will pay the full price for quality games that deserve my money.

FFXIII was not one of them neither will FFvXIII be.
S-E dont care about the complaining when they see their crap sell like crazy...Now they know to sell something all they have to do is put a FF tag on it.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 5:40:00 PM

Where is this magical place where all games are free?

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Athrin
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 7:57:38 PM

its called a store... wich my family owns

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WolfCrimson
Saturday, September 04, 2010 @ 6:48:41 AM

That is a situation every gamer in the world would wish they are in... that their family owns a gamestore. How AWESOME is that?

Athrin: Congrats m8, you lucky dude you.

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SmokeyPSD
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 7:01:01 PM
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I'm still quite proud that no sale is from me.

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Temjin001
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 7:23:10 PM
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FFXIII needed more of a "western touch" to rack in more 360 sales.

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SnipeySnake
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 7:53:38 PM
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I regret buying the game. Should have gotten something better and wait to get this cheaper. I really hate the battle system in this game.

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Scarecrow
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 8:08:57 PM
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:)

It's ok Squeeeenix, just make it a FPS next time.

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SnipeySnake
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 8:10:52 PM

1 up for sarcasm.

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Sol
Saturday, September 04, 2010 @ 1:15:50 AM

Yeah, that'll be what we need, a sequel to Dirge of Cerberus starring Barret...

I can't say that without laughing.

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FlyingKickPunch
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 8:41:19 PM
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Yeah Scarecrow, I was just gonna say the next Final Fantasy (15?) will have a ton of First-Person Shooter elements. And an online deathmatch mode. Lol. More Twitching! Twitching is an X-bots way of life, you know. I saw it on the Discovery channel.

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johnld
Friday, September 03, 2010 @ 9:04:22 PM
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right now i could care less if Versus 13 becomes multiplatform but i do have trust in nomura. frankly, i dont have much expectations for versus 13 on a final fantasy basis. its an action/rpg which isnt really a typical final fantasy game to me. although i am sure that its going to be like FF13, a great game just not final fantasy great.

I do know one thing though. if i end up getting the game over screen after my main character takes a fall even when i have 2 other healthy medics, even when maxed out, or i am not allowed to be god like after hours of grinding, i will be damn pissed.

i tried playing the game again and when i can be killed by 2 stomps of an adamantoise when my crystalium is maxed, i just gave up on it. and i know that you have to have better equipment but since you cant get gil that easy, but its just a pain. along with the drop rates for tetrahedron and platinum ingot even with catalogs are crazy.

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RebelJD
Saturday, September 04, 2010 @ 12:33:30 AM
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Had they released a Special Edition PS3 in the U.S., this would have done even better in sales. Not just for FFXII but for the PS3, hands down. But no, instead, they release that wackness 360 FFXIII version.

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___________
Saturday, September 04, 2010 @ 3:05:14 AM
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thats a surprise?

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DeathOfChaos
Saturday, September 04, 2010 @ 10:28:37 AM
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Versus XIII has to have the PS3's hardware to render the clouds in the sky, let alone anything else. Why would they...wait... how would it be POSSIBLE to put it on the 360? It uses the PS3 do render certain things that the 360 doesn't possess to be able to render those things. So I still don't believe it's going to the 360, it's just not technically possible even. That and I trust Tetsuya Nomura, he's the man!

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firesoul453
Saturday, September 04, 2010 @ 11:07:17 AM
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I know I didn't buy it because it wasn't exclusive. I bet if it was a ps3 exclusive it would have sold almost as many copies (and being exclusive it would have cost a lot less to make, making them even more profit over all)

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LimitedVertigo
Saturday, September 04, 2010 @ 3:24:56 PM

If you honestly don't buy a game, not on its content, but on whether or not it's available on multiple consoles you're a moron.

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Sogi_Otsa
Saturday, September 04, 2010 @ 2:03:33 PM
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notable statistic reason for FFV13 to be ps3 only

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shovenstuff
Saturday, September 04, 2010 @ 3:12:30 PM
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This is a dumb discussion. First off most people who play FFXIII own a playstation. They own one because Final Fantasy has been exclusive to Sony for many years. More people bought Modern Warfare 2 on Xbox then on Playstation. So does that mean no Modern Warfare for Sony. This argument doesn't work because of the core fans. Most shooter fans own a 360 and more Role playing fans a PS3. Bottom line, I own both consoles and enjoy gaming more than being a "loyal" fan to a large corporation who could care less what I do as long as I buy their product. I buy consoles to enjoy games. I like Gears of War, Uncharted, God of War, Halo, Left 4 Dead, Resistance, Mario, Zelda, Metriod, and many more of the big 3's games. Why deprive myself of this gaming goodness?

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LimitedVertigo
Saturday, September 04, 2010 @ 3:22:59 PM

Eh,

Ben is showing that even with a larger user base and far more marketing for the 360 version the PS3 version of FFXIII outsold the 360 version by a lot. He isn't bashing the existence of multiple consoles or multiplatform games.

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Sogi_Otsa
Monday, September 06, 2010 @ 8:22:57 AM

but modern warfare is a crappy fps.

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Knightedrik
Sunday, September 05, 2010 @ 5:21:12 AM
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FFXIII PS3 Sells Three Times More Than FFXIII 360



M E S S A G E. lol

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firesoul453
Sunday, September 05, 2010 @ 11:48:06 AM
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@ LimitedVertigo
"If you honestly don't buy a game, not on its content, but on whether or not it's available on multiple consoles you're a moron. "

Its not just the fact that it is also on the 360....
Its that when companies start caring about the money, the quality goes down hill.
They have made great games, but recently they ahve gone down hill.
I don't not purchase a game just because its exclusive but because I care about the gaming industry.

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