Sony Releases Security-Based PS3 Firmware Update
See Full ImageWe normally avoid any stories related to hacking but in this case, it pertains to a new firmware update for the PlayStation 3, so...
Today, Sony has announced that firmware update 3.42 is available for download, and it's strictly a security-based update. It's necessary if you wish to access the PlayStation Network and although Sony wouldn't say whether it disables the functionality of the PS Jailbreak, a spokesperson did say the update is "an overall security related issue." If you didn't know, the PS3 was hacked at the end of last month by a group calling themselves PS Jailbreak; they released a USB dongle onto the international market that lets the public mod the system, too. Basically, it lets an owner install homemade or pirated software onto the PS3's hard drive, which would negate the software disc requirement. Sales of the device were stopped in Australia, where Sony is now taking legal action but no news on what's going on concerning Sony vs. PS Jailbreak in this country. For the most part, this doesn't really affect you if you don't care about modding your console, but at least you know what update 3.42 is all about. Good to have that info.
You just need 168MB of free space to install it, so go for it. Remember, you can't log into the PSN until you do.
Tags: ps3, playstation 3, firmware update, ps jailbreak
9/7/2010 10:46:19 AM Ben Dutka
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Comments (118 posts)
LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:06:42 AM
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Highlander
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:09:20 AM
The next generation of hardware from Sony is going to be extremely hard to crack, both the PSP and PS3 have had issues with components that initiate a service mode. I'd be shocked if Sony doesn't learn more from this about how to harden that side of things.
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Snaaaake
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:16:02 AM
Wow, talk about legality when hacking is never legal.
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Cavan1
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:16:50 AM
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Cavan1
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:21:37 AM
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phudge_supreemz
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:22:58 AM
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Snaaaake
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:31:50 AM
Yet Highlander said these people are defending it, now that's weird.
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Cavan1
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:42:35 AM
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Highlander
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:51:25 AM
If you hack the software and break digital protection methods, you have broken the law as stated in the DMCA (in the US). If you manage to get into a system without hacking the software - in other words a pure hardware mod - that is technically OK according to the law as written.
It all depends on what you did and how you did it. Sony's been pretty smart with their security on the PS3 because it, in part, relies on encryption. The DMCA (IIRC) specifically prohibits breaking digital protection methods such as encryption.
But whether you legally hack a device or not, the absolutely illegal part is the software piracy that follows.
Where it gets interesting for me is in the area of what the obligations of a service provider and manufacturer are with regards to devices that have been modded or rooted (software hacked). Service providers always have the right to determine what devices have access to their network. There is no obligation to provide service to customers that make unauthorized modifications to their system. The same is true of warranties and any software support. Customers that make unauthorized modifications to their system will not receive support.
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TEG3SH
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 12:53:27 PM
I'm fighting cid now ops i nearly forgot to draw leviathan ( downloaded it from the PSN )
Off topic: Just finished Uncharted 2. I enjoyed it alot but does anyone else think that uncharted 1 story was a lot better ???? or is it just me !!!
Last edited by TEG3SH on 9/7/2010 12:54:48 PM
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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 1:55:54 PM
You jerks!
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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 2:05:46 PM
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Highlander
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 3:06:08 PM
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hellish_devil
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 3:07:28 PM
I also like uncharted 1 more than 2. But there is only a SMALL diference in it.
Last edited by hellish_devil on 9/7/2010 3:08:18 PM
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TEG3SH
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 6:18:19 PM
@ hellish_devil
Yeah I know but when I finished the first one, I started the crushing mode instantly. but after playing the second one, I was like ok .... i'll play it later. and the final boss on hard is really hard
Last edited by TEG3SH on 9/7/2010 6:20:12 PM
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bigrailer19
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 6:57:02 PM
I agree with you. I think Uncharted 2 was a much more technoglically better game. It is the better developed game no doubt.
But the story in Uncharted 1, having to do with Francis Drake, and him being a relative was more interesting. And the twist with the zombie type creatures was way better and much more of a surprise.
All in all both games are two fo the best games I've ever played, and I will not argue that UC2 is the all around better game. But for me the sotry had much deeper meaning in the first. Drake was basically going after something his ancestors had found. It holds a deeper meaning, and brings out The character a lot more. Buyt it also sets up the 2nd game to go in different and even more directions which it did. So Kudos to ND for creating two amazing games both with awesome stories.
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TEG3SH
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 9:11:16 PM
I couldn't have said it any better. totally agree
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spiderboi
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 12:26:11 AM
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___________
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 5:33:51 AM
theres a new FW update for it that adds in the new FW comparability and now you no longer need the latest FW to access PSN apparently, the new update makes the ps3 think its on the latest FW when its not so no more updating required.
games though thats a whole different kettle of fish, wont be surprised to see new games requiring a yet to be released FW.
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Highlander
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 12:24:46 PM
How do I know? There were reports recently that retailers who deal in second hand consoles were being given information on how to determine if a PS3 system is banned. That would tend to indicate that Sony was readying a wave of perma-bans based on some evidence of violating the terms of service. Evading the firmware check via a proxy would definitely qualify.
It's a game of cat and mouse, to be sure, I'm just not sure who is the cat and who is the mouse. I think that the traditional roles may be reversed in this case.
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___________
Thursday, September 09, 2010 @ 8:01:24 AM
i just hope it does not lead to anything too drastic, the last thing i want is to see more features removed because of this!
o, apparently give them 2 weeks and there will be CFW available too.
once thats out, that is when it will get interesting.
one things for sure, if you value PSN stay the hell away from this!
one thing though, do the consoles get banned or just the PSN accounts?
apparently all accounts, be it master or sub accounts get banned but the console is fine.
sony should not do that, they should just ban the whole console that way, well, 1, 2,3,4,5 systems bricked eventually people will get sick of buying new ones.
or so would one assume.
if only the accounts get banned than all they need to do is buy another one, and have one for online and one for offline.
console bans would be a much better way to go, shock and awe hit it big and hard to try and scare the sheep off.
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Highlander
Thursday, September 09, 2010 @ 11:40:48 AM
The shame is (as I said in another post) that the more people push, the greater the push back will be. Every one of these instances enhances the security that Sony is justified in including. Every one of these breeches in security adds to the case for hardware manufacturers locking their products down.
Last edited by Highlander on 9/9/2010 11:41:37 AM
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Highlander
Thursday, September 09, 2010 @ 12:18:17 PM
If, and it's a big if, they patch their thing and it gets around 3.42. Then I suspect that Sony has simply blocked a specific device ID from initiating debug mode. In which case the next step will be to completely alter the way in which service mode is initiated and probably remove debug mode from the retail firmware all-together.
Like I said, the more people push, the more Sony will push back. Every time someone finds a way past the security, Sony adds a new measure to block it and has further justification for locking their platform down even more.
At the end of the day, the potential is that the innocent user suffers thanks to those who simply wish to play free games. I mean, it's not like Sony (or any other console maker) can back away from security. The platform has to remain secure to remain economical. The integration of the online components and transactions within the console software architecture mandates that the platform remain secure, So in the end Sony has no choice but to combat this every way they can.
The next time someone tries to take Sony to court over some new security feature, or because their console was banned. Sony will be able to produce lots of evidence about these various hacks and exploits that have been blocked which just makes it easier for Sony to defend actions it takes to defend it's PS3 platform.
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___________
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 9:37:00 AM
they said at least 2 weeks before its ready, cant remember where it was but CFW is suppose to be on the way.
i seriously doubt it myself, thats one thing we all thought would be impossible.
but, hey we all thought getting backup games to work would be impossible, so.........
as the saying goes where theres a will theres a way!
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Highlander
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 1:18:53 PM
Be fair, you and I both know that the only reason you can run game backups is because they cloned a service master key, booted the system into it's own debug mode, that allows you to run unsigned code, and then they cobbled together a backup manager using an unlicensed SDK.
I don't think we can fairly call it a hack when they are really simply using the console's debug mode via a stolen service key.
I was doing some reading on the topic of CFW and I don't think that will happen. I could be surprised, but the statements I was able to find from the big names in that field all point to it being impossible to access the system at the level required to do a custom FW.
From all the reading and research, the most likely way this will go is that whether or not the PS Jailbreak folks find a way past the 3.42 update by modifying the device ID of their USB key, Sony will ultimately remove debug mode from the firmware stack that is installed on retail units. I can imagine that tehy will do some other things to shore up other elements of the security. But if this continues to be a problem, Sony will effectively disable the service key/maintenance mode/Debug mode loophole by removing it completely. It will make servicing PS3s more difficult, but I believe that MS did something very similar in response to a USB based attack on their system.
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Beamboom
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:02:53 AM
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Highlander
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:07:00 AM
The researcher in question is only about a year behind the times since OtherOS was removed from production more than a year ago.
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Beamboom
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:09:22 AM
This story is featured in BBC's "Digital planet" a couple of weeks ago. Available as podcast, and a great weekly show.
Last edited by Beamboom on 9/7/2010 11:11:06 AM
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Beamboom
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:19:54 AM
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NeoHumpty
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 2:09:06 PM
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maxpontiac
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:04:57 AM
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I hope that Sony locks out the individual PS3's if something like the Jailbreak is discovered.
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Temjin001
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:05:30 AM
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As a gamer who gladly pays to take part in my favorite form of entertainment, I wouldn't want to hurt the market or deter the talent that brings me, and everyone else, great games.
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B-RadGfromOV
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:20:02 AM
XD
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Wissam
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:13:20 AM
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Cavan1
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:14:20 AM
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Soultaker
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:29:19 AM
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Highlander
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:54:43 AM
Remove that 'backup manager' software from your PS3. At some point Sony will start looking for the backup manager application IDs on PS3s and ban units if the use of a 'backup manager' is detected.
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Cavan1
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 12:05:03 PM
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Highlander
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 12:44:49 PM
As soon as the open source version hit, I checked to see what it was and it's a piece of software running on a processor inside a USB stick. In other words, someone wrote a piece of software that makes the micro-controller inside the USB stick respond as if it were an authorized service key. So I'm not surprised an Android phone can do it. I am surprised that a TI-84 can do it though...LOL! That's quite a techie feather in a cap if you ask me.
The fact that Sony has blocked all of existing USB based hacks suggests that they did more than target a specific hack. I think they made a change to the entire process to initiate service mode, otherwise only the original device and direct clones would have been blocked.
It's a game of cat and mouse, but Sony has options at their disposal, such as having the system require a second hardware device connected to some other port to enable service mode. I guess it's only a matter of time before that is cracked too.
I think Sony will start varying the coding and encryption for it's service keys with each major firmware update from now on to prevent a repeat of this performance.
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Snaaaake
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:24:51 AM
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Especially for the PSP, they don't play through UMD, they simply download it for free and they told me I wasted my money on BlazBlue when they downloaded free on the PSP.
And I got Bayonetta they were like,"Dude, the 360 version is so much cheaper and it's the same game!!" Well I didn't really fight back cause Bayonetta was seriously inferior so all the more reason to bash me.
Now about this, a firmware should do the trick and even if it works, they can't go online.
I got friend updating his PSP and he couldn't play his pirated game software.
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hobgoblin
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:30:04 AM
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"such a boring update. WE WANT NEW FEATURES PLEASE"
"Yet another useless update. Bring us cross-game chat, cross-game invitation etc. and maybe more ppl would start using the PS3 for games and not just as a BR player.
It’s a good thing Microsoft knows how to do a good online experience"
and
"I wish you guys were this fast in adding features that everybody in the community wants badly then with stopping security threats."
a)the update is FREE, b) it takes what, 5 mins to download, and c) it fixes a security issue.
When JailBreak, PSGroove et al were revealed, people started speculating to if Sony would counteract with a firmware update. Now that they have, people are still complaining.
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Snaaaake
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:33:23 AM
Those are either trolls or whiners.
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bOnEs
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:33:45 AM
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but, they don't give a @#$%, they just live in the moment and couldn't care less of the repercussions of their actions...
Last edited by bOnEs on 9/7/2010 11:36:39 AM
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Deleted User
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 12:05:12 PM
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Highlander
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 12:48:07 PM
Why not update? Is having the possibility of pirating software so important to you? Sorry, but to be honest if you're already running 3.41, there is no reason to skip the 3.42 update unless you are hoping to use your PS3 for game piracy.
Anyone using OtherOS still runs 3.15, and this simply isn't an issue for them, not that they are interested in pirating games anyway, their interest is in running Linux for whatever reasons they have.
But anyone specifically ticked off by this update is objecting purely because it will prevent them from indulging in game piracy.
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Simcoe
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 1:13:07 PM
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Skatejimmy5
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 12:11:36 PM
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Highlander
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 12:49:14 PM
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Temjin001
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 1:12:11 PM
Besides, most any online enabled computer device has frequent security update patches, even for Mac =p
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Fane1024
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 4:24:58 PM
I'd update every day if it meant they would fix the effing browser.
Edit:
On topic, I find the idea of homebrew applications intriguing, but homebrew doesn't justify opening a platform to piracy.
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bronx_boy
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 12:31:08 PM
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The Who
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 12:40:31 PM
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and it helps more because my ps3 got a chain saw affect and my wii had it bad. my ps3 messed up my uncharted 2 and lbp so i had to re buy them and that really sucks. and my wii messed up 4 of my games.
And yea pirating has it extremely bad side which out weighs the good.but the ps3 is a beast and we all know it imagine the possibilities with its full potential unlocked through home brew. we can even get back words compatibility running and .mkv to play.
Last edited by The Who on 9/7/2010 12:46:14 PM
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ace_boon_coon
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 1:46:30 PM
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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 2:06:53 PM
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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 6:38:22 PM
That's another easy method. I share several external hard drives full of media via PS3 Media Server. I find it easier than converting hundreds of .mkv videos.
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Underdog15
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 10:10:50 AM
I already have backwards compatibility. No need for theft.
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JackC8
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 12:42:05 PM
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th3_bLy
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 12:49:55 PM
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Highlander
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 12:50:30 PM
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th3_bLy
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 12:54:44 PM
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RadioHeader
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 1:16:16 PM
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BikerSaint
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 1:20:36 PM
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Sony Fights PSJailbreak, Wins in Australia
http://www.industrygamers.com/news/sony-fights-psjailbreak-wins-in-australia/
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Amazingskillz
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 1:23:33 PM
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Last edited by Amazingskillz on 9/7/2010 1:24:06 PM
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Killa Tequilla
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 1:31:18 PM
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A) Is the problem solved for good? I mean for good, for good? No one can do whatever they do with their pirated games anymore? It's like gone for good, for good?
B) How long was this going for?
C) In Sony I trust.
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___________
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 5:42:02 AM
you know the drill, modders patch the patch so sony patch the patches patch than modders patch the patched patch and so on and so on.
this will be going on forever, sony are never going to block it for good!
only thing they can (and should) do is ban any consoles found using it, not just the PSN ID because people will just create a new one, brick the whole freaking console!
that way if your caught using it your console is useless and will need to buy a new one.
how many new consoles will people buy till it gets old and they say its not worth it anymore?
but than that could get sony into a hell of a lot of trouble, not that thats stopped them before!
cough ps2 comparability, cough Linux support!
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madmike
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 1:33:34 PM
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SvenMD
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 1:42:17 PM
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From "Hackers":
"Yes, I am a criminal. My crime is curiosity. I am a hacker, and this is my manifesto. You may stop me...but you can't stop us all."
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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 1:58:30 PM
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SvenMD
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 2:29:09 PM
And yeah, I'll take AJ in her biker jacket anyday over her skin and bones look today. And what are you doin' talking about girls lookin' hot? There were no wang shots in that movie, so I don't even know why it interested you. ;)
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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 2:39:15 PM
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gumbi
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 1:57:58 PM
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There are two big reasons I run CFW: 1. Legend of Dragoon. I'll never get enough of that game and it's at the top of my wishlist for PS1 Classics, but until then I'm playin my ripped version on my PSP (which I made from my legit game discs). And the second reason; Homebrew. There is some seriously cool homebrew apps/games out there for the PSP. I even wrote my own playlist manager so I could actually use my PSP as an MP3 player with different playlists rather than trying to deal with it's crippled playlist support.
The potential the PS3 has for homebrew really intrigues me. But I'd hate to see the PS3 suffer the same software fate that's plagued the PSP due to software piracy.
In the end, I have to side with Sony on this one. Software piracy is wrong, no two ways around it. It's stealing and that's bad m'kay. I just wish we could develop applications for the PS3, it has so much potential to be so much more.
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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 1:59:35 PM
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NeoHumpty
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 2:17:45 PM
I like collecting games. If I wanted to hack a system for free games, I would have bought a 360 a long time ago.
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Highlander
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 3:20:01 PM
YOUR reasons are legit, but can you say that about all the others? the legitimate uses no matter how wonderful they are represent perhaps 1% of all users of console mods or custom firmware. Sony does not so much want to stop the Homebrew as it does the piracy.
I see your conflicted feelings. For me if kind of goes like this. When so very many people don't give a damn about legitimate uses and simply want to steal games, it's hard not to pay attention to that vast majority interested in stealing. Unfortunately that has a negative impact on the tiny minority who do not steal games. I sympathize, but the larger issue takes precedence.
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gumbi
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 4:43:26 PM
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Highlander
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:46:41 PM
But honestly if he hadn't tried breaking into OtherOS, then people could have continued using OtherOS quite happily for their Homebrew needs. As it was OtherOS was never a threat to game security. But once someone started screwing around with the hypervisor and trying to access the secure processing vault, Sony were bound to act. It didn't have to happen.
I applaud Sony's efforts to keep the PS3 secure, and support them completely in this. But at the same time I would have liked it if OtherOS had not been removed. I would have loved it if the PS Jailbreak thing had been contained in Australia, but that was never going to happen.
It's sad that because some people can't accept reasonable limits on what they can do with a device, everyone else has to lose functionality to protect the device against unauthorized use.
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gumbi
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 12:41:41 AM
I had YellowDog linux running on my 60Gb, and it was great because I could run VLC and lots of other linux apps. Unfortunately my 60Gb is long dead and has since been replaced with a slim.
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Highlander
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 1:06:53 AM
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Wissam
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 2:25:46 PM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 2:26:02 PM
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The PS3 already does everything it needs to do, so modding that is purely for piracy. Stamp em out Sony!
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Orvisman
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 5:53:52 PM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 6:19:36 PM
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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 6:41:47 PM
I'm with World on this one. The Dreamcast is a great console for classic gaming. I don't see anything wrong with downloading roms of games I already own or of games I can't find in stores that haven't been in circulation for decades.
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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 8:10:57 PM
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Orvisman
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 7:42:22 AM
I keep flip-flopping on wanting to rebuild my Colecovision and Intellivision collections, but I keep putting off rebuying the consoles and games because there are too many games coming out for the current gen consoles. It would be so easy to download the ROMs, but I don't; I am tempted though.
You could rebuy those classic NES/SNES/Genesis/etc... games on the Wii's virtual console.
I wonder what Underdog's and Highlander's opinions would be of downloading ROMs of classic games you don't own?
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Underdog15
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 10:29:45 AM
However, for me, my issue isn't so much "don't do it because the law says so". For me, I just strongly hate second hand or illegal copies of games that takes away from the developer.
I have a NES and SNES emulator on my PC, actually. If there is absolutely no way for the original dev to make a profit on it's games, then it becomes fair game really. For classics from old systems, the devs have no means whatsoever to make a profit, nor do they intend to.
Since it is impossible for you to take business away from the dev who made it, I'm not against finding other means for classics.
That being said, however, there are some classics, like PS1 classics on the PSN, that do go back into the industry. I might buy a used copy for my collection, but I would buy it off the PSN as well. (Truth be told, I like having it on my HDD anyways.)
For classic PC games, there are actually online distributors (like GOG.com) that do send back a portion of sales to the dev's that own the titles. I am a member of GOG.com and occasionally buy classics through that.
Basically, I guess my feelings are this: Once a dev discontinues shipping and producing a particular title, they wash their hands of making a profit on that game. If you want a hard copy of Super Mario Bros. for the SNES, you aren't going to buy it new anyways. You need a used copy.
Like I said, my reasons for disliking used sales aren't because "The Big Man says so". I'm just against taking away from the industry. If there's no way for the dev to make money off your purchase, then how you obtain a copy is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. If you truly try to support the industry, then what more can you do?
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Shadow786
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 3:09:49 PM
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Snaaaake
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 6:16:06 PM
The original copy is cheaper?
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DjEezzy
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 5:16:37 PM
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tlpn99
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 6:34:25 PM
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People who mod/alter thier PS3 they simply wont be able to play online if Sony goes about banning thier account but this wont stop piracy. All it will do is just mean they just end up playing a lot of single player stuff and not playing games online.
Last edited by tlpn99 on 9/7/2010 6:35:05 PM
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tes37
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 6:37:56 PM
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sha4dowknight05
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 6:54:02 PM
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just2skillf00l
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 6:55:11 PM
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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 7:23:43 PM
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just2skillf00l
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 7:27:57 PM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 8:11:50 PM
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Highlander
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:54:51 PM
As much as I support copyright and the rights of creators and publishers. There do need to be restrictions on how long something can sit in the back-catalog without going public domain. That way if a publisher doesn't make a work available, they can lose the right to control it. It's something that would help consumers more than just about anything else, and it would force publishers to do more to make their properties available to consumers.
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Scarecrow
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 7:51:04 PM
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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 8:33:00 PM
Wow...dude.
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Highlander
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:49:07 PM
::raised eyebrow::
Oh? Are you channeling a parallel dimension again?
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Underdog15
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 10:34:05 AM
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DeathOfChaos
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 8:38:11 PM
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Also: Been playing Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep ll day today, great game! I'm at Level 12 at the Forest Clearing, which is at the start of the first world on Critical Mode. Gonna gett he secret ending for sure!
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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 9:47:28 PM
Last edited by LimitedVertigo on 9/7/2010 9:47:38 PM
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iwillbetheone
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 10:47:04 PM
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___________
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 5:36:00 AM
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but since sony STOLE features i paid for they have no one else but themselves to blame!
they want to act like criminals, thats fine ill treat them like one!
as i always said karma is a b*tch, justice is swift, and revenge is a dish best served cold!
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whooka
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 8:05:12 AM
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Sony has begun the eternal dance with 'hackers' which will never stop. The 'hackers', most not motivated by money and having a technical vision not restricted by a business model, will ALWAYS find another way in to the system. Sony will keep putting out firmware updates that remove features one by one in an effort to keep up with the threat of piracy, and the only folks who will suffer will be those who follow the rules. i gave up on them after they removed the other o/s option, it was a clear downward spiral at that point. i hardly use my PS3 anymore between the lack of any new titles this summer and the fact it's now been lobotomized.
Home brew folks keep up the good work! Sony will keep digging themselves into a hole and spend all their time trying to undo your efforts but we know with your limitless time and vision you'll always stay one step ahead.
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Highlander
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 9:33:59 AM
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Highlander
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 12:25:36 PM
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^^^^
99% of cases - '995 of cases' is a typo.
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BikerSaint
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 1:31:02 PM
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-psjailbreak-article
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Highlander
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 4:16:32 PM
So, as predicted Sony won in the courts and have patched the PS3's firmware to prevent this service key based 'hack' working at all.
I believe that the cat caught the mouse in this instance.
Next up, a firmware that actively looks for signs of mis-use, and a PSN authentication process that uses authentication specific to each firmware revision making all of the known firmware bypasses irrelevant. The more people push, the greater the push back will be. Every one of these instances enhances the security that Sony is justified in including. Every one of these breeches in security adds to the case for hardware manufacturers locking their products down.
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Highlander
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Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:02:19 AM
Not sure of the specifics, but I would not be awfully surprised if Sony had changed it's entire service procedure to either remove the USB service key method, or added a secondary hardware component that can't simply be patched in by the hacking community.
Either way, as Ben says, if you want to take your PS3 online, there's zero point in trying to use one of these anyway.
What always makes me laugh is that people will try to defend these devices, but it's basically an incontrovertible fact that 99+% of the uses for a mod hip of this kind involve game piracy.
Hopefully Sony is able to lock these devices out, and maintain system and network security.