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Sony Releases Security-Based PS3 Firmware Update

We normally avoid any stories related to hacking but in this case, it pertains to a new firmware update for the PlayStation 3, so...

Today, Sony has announced that firmware update 3.42 is available for download, and it's strictly a security-based update. It's necessary if you wish to access the PlayStation Network and although Sony wouldn't say whether it disables the functionality of the PS Jailbreak, a spokesperson did say the update is "an overall security related issue." If you didn't know, the PS3 was hacked at the end of last month by a group calling themselves PS Jailbreak; they released a USB dongle onto the international market that lets the public mod the system, too. Basically, it lets an owner install homemade or pirated software onto the PS3's hard drive, which would negate the software disc requirement. Sales of the device were stopped in Australia, where Sony is now taking legal action but no news on what's going on concerning Sony vs. PS Jailbreak in this country. For the most part, this doesn't really affect you if you don't care about modding your console, but at least you know what update 3.42 is all about.  Good to have that info.

You just need 168MB of free space to install it, so go for it. Remember, you can't log into the PSN until you do.

Tags: ps3, playstation 3, firmware update, ps jailbreak

9/7/2010 10:46:19 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (118 posts)

Highlander
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:02:19 AM
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I'd bet lots of money that the two events are related. It probably didn't help that someone released a 'free' version of the 'hack' that uses a USB mounted micro-controller and some software to mimick a service key.

Not sure of the specifics, but I would not be awfully surprised if Sony had changed it's entire service procedure to either remove the USB service key method, or added a secondary hardware component that can't simply be patched in by the hacking community.

Either way, as Ben says, if you want to take your PS3 online, there's zero point in trying to use one of these anyway.

What always makes me laugh is that people will try to defend these devices, but it's basically an incontrovertible fact that 99+% of the uses for a mod hip of this kind involve game piracy.

Hopefully Sony is able to lock these devices out, and maintain system and network security.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:06:42 AM

Sorta but not really off topic, I'm interested in seeing what they do for the next PSP. We all know the PSP is one of the most pirated gaming devices out there and I'm hoping Sony does something for the PSP2 because the pirating is really hurting game sales.

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Highlander
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:09:20 AM

PSP-3000 has no persistent CFW, whatever they did there has worked - somewhat. And I believe that the PSP-Go hasn't been cracked, probably because the Pandora battery doesn't work..

The next generation of hardware from Sony is going to be extremely hard to crack, both the PSP and PS3 have had issues with components that initiate a service mode. I'd be shocked if Sony doesn't learn more from this about how to harden that side of things.

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Snaaaake
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:16:02 AM

Wait, these people try to defend the mod stuff?

Wow, talk about legality when hacking is never legal.

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Cavan1
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:16:50 AM

i think were in for abit of cat and mouse with this, as am sure they will try and crack the update again.

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Cavan1
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:21:37 AM

snake, hacking is legal, a device that you own, you can do whatever you want with it, also backing up games that you own is legal, as you own them and can do whatever you want with them, but if you borrow a game off a friend and back that up, thats illegal, or selling your backed up games, thats illegal too.

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phudge_supreemz
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:22:58 AM

It's not illegal to hack a piece of hardware that you own. The only illegal part of it is having pirated games.

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Snaaaake
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:31:50 AM

Based on what you said, what they're doing is illegal.
Yet Highlander said these people are defending it, now that's weird.

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Cavan1
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:42:35 AM

snake, no what there doing isnt illegal, its up to the person and how they use it, depends on how legal it is. Though as the cricket is about to start i will accept it can be a very grey area.

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Highlander
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:51:25 AM

In the US (as in many countries), hacking hardware is a gray area in the law because it...depends.

If you hack the software and break digital protection methods, you have broken the law as stated in the DMCA (in the US). If you manage to get into a system without hacking the software - in other words a pure hardware mod - that is technically OK according to the law as written.

It all depends on what you did and how you did it. Sony's been pretty smart with their security on the PS3 because it, in part, relies on encryption. The DMCA (IIRC) specifically prohibits breaking digital protection methods such as encryption.

But whether you legally hack a device or not, the absolutely illegal part is the software piracy that follows.

Where it gets interesting for me is in the area of what the obligations of a service provider and manufacturer are with regards to devices that have been modded or rooted (software hacked). Service providers always have the right to determine what devices have access to their network. There is no obligation to provide service to customers that make unauthorized modifications to their system. The same is true of warranties and any software support. Customers that make unauthorized modifications to their system will not receive support.

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TEG3SH
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 12:53:27 PM

I hacked my psp just to play ffviii, but it didn't work :(.

I'm fighting cid now ops i nearly forgot to draw leviathan ( downloaded it from the PSN )

Off topic: Just finished Uncharted 2. I enjoyed it alot but does anyone else think that uncharted 1 story was a lot better ???? or is it just me !!!

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 1:55:54 PM

I don't get why T3G is getting downvoted. All he did was attempt to run an iso of FF7 on his PSP and we all know at the time it wasn't available on the PSP and he surely owned the PS1 version. Then he finishes by saying he downloaded FF7 when it became available.

You jerks!

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 2:05:46 PM

Okay so it was FF8, not 7. Burn the fu#ker!

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Highlander
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 3:06:08 PM

It's just the usual drive-by downvoting, don't pay any attention to it.

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hellish_devil
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 3:07:28 PM

@ TEG3SH

I also like uncharted 1 more than 2. But there is only a SMALL diference in it.

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TEG3SH
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 6:18:19 PM

@LV ur last comment made me LOL so hard some beer came out of my noise, don't worry about the thumbs down, I'm used to them by now.

@ hellish_devil

Yeah I know but when I finished the first one, I started the crushing mode instantly. but after playing the second one, I was like ok .... i'll play it later. and the final boss on hard is really hard

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bigrailer19
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 6:57:02 PM

Tegesh-

I agree with you. I think Uncharted 2 was a much more technoglically better game. It is the better developed game no doubt.

But the story in Uncharted 1, having to do with Francis Drake, and him being a relative was more interesting. And the twist with the zombie type creatures was way better and much more of a surprise.

All in all both games are two fo the best games I've ever played, and I will not argue that UC2 is the all around better game. But for me the sotry had much deeper meaning in the first. Drake was basically going after something his ancestors had found. It holds a deeper meaning, and brings out The character a lot more. Buyt it also sets up the 2nd game to go in different and even more directions which it did. So Kudos to ND for creating two amazing games both with awesome stories.

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TEG3SH
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 9:11:16 PM

@ bigrailer19
I couldn't have said it any better. totally agree

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spiderboi
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 12:26:11 AM

UC1 was great but the only peeve I have about it is that some of the enemy henchmen pop out from nowhere within caves when it was previously unexplored and you were the first to go. weird stuff.

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___________
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 5:33:51 AM

not exactly, they have already patched the patch!
theres a new FW update for it that adds in the new FW comparability and now you no longer need the latest FW to access PSN apparently, the new update makes the ps3 think its on the latest FW when its not so no more updating required.
games though thats a whole different kettle of fish, wont be surprised to see new games requiring a yet to be released FW.

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Highlander
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 12:24:46 PM

Not quite. The majority of firmware version bypasses involve using a proxy, and it takes 30 seconds to find the proxy addresses. Want to bet whether Sony is logging the unique identifiers of every PS3 that comes from a specific IP address? The other 'bypass' seems to involve editing a specific resource file. However if the firmware contains any other checks, or methods for reporting a version number - such as responding to a particular encrypted challenge, is not yet known. Rest assured though, an enhanced firmware revision check is coming.

How do I know? There were reports recently that retailers who deal in second hand consoles were being given information on how to determine if a PS3 system is banned. That would tend to indicate that Sony was readying a wave of perma-bans based on some evidence of violating the terms of service. Evading the firmware check via a proxy would definitely qualify.

It's a game of cat and mouse, to be sure, I'm just not sure who is the cat and who is the mouse. I think that the traditional roles may be reversed in this case.

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___________
Thursday, September 09, 2010 @ 8:01:24 AM

sonys the cat, they catch the mouse but every time they do just before that mouse gives birth to a new mouse.
i just hope it does not lead to anything too drastic, the last thing i want is to see more features removed because of this!
o, apparently give them 2 weeks and there will be CFW available too.
once thats out, that is when it will get interesting.
one things for sure, if you value PSN stay the hell away from this!
one thing though, do the consoles get banned or just the PSN accounts?
apparently all accounts, be it master or sub accounts get banned but the console is fine.
sony should not do that, they should just ban the whole console that way, well, 1, 2,3,4,5 systems bricked eventually people will get sick of buying new ones.
or so would one assume.
if only the accounts get banned than all they need to do is buy another one, and have one for online and one for offline.
console bans would be a much better way to go, shock and awe hit it big and hard to try and scare the sheep off.

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Highlander
Thursday, September 09, 2010 @ 11:40:48 AM

I'm not so sure about CFW. To do that they have to have cracked the secure processing vault, and I've never seen anything from anyone in the community that suggests that's been done.

The shame is (as I said in another post) that the more people push, the greater the push back will be. Every one of these instances enhances the security that Sony is justified in including. Every one of these breeches in security adds to the case for hardware manufacturers locking their products down.

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Highlander
Thursday, September 09, 2010 @ 12:18:17 PM

The PS Jailbreak guys claim they have a way to get around Firmware 3.42, but it's not going to be available for two weeks? I'm extremely skeptical since Sony has successfully blocked sales of the PSJailbreak device in several countries now. Besides, if they have a way around 3.42 why wait to release it?

If, and it's a big if, they patch their thing and it gets around 3.42. Then I suspect that Sony has simply blocked a specific device ID from initiating debug mode. In which case the next step will be to completely alter the way in which service mode is initiated and probably remove debug mode from the retail firmware all-together.

Like I said, the more people push, the more Sony will push back. Every time someone finds a way past the security, Sony adds a new measure to block it and has further justification for locking their platform down even more.

At the end of the day, the potential is that the innocent user suffers thanks to those who simply wish to play free games. I mean, it's not like Sony (or any other console maker) can back away from security. The platform has to remain secure to remain economical. The integration of the online components and transactions within the console software architecture mandates that the platform remain secure, So in the end Sony has no choice but to combat this every way they can.

The next time someone tries to take Sony to court over some new security feature, or because their console was banned. Sony will be able to produce lots of evidence about these various hacks and exploits that have been blocked which just makes it easier for Sony to defend actions it takes to defend it's PS3 platform.

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___________
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 9:37:00 AM

its not out for at least 2 weeks because its in testing make sure it works properly under every possible circumstance before releasing.
they said at least 2 weeks before its ready, cant remember where it was but CFW is suppose to be on the way.
i seriously doubt it myself, thats one thing we all thought would be impossible.
but, hey we all thought getting backup games to work would be impossible, so.........
as the saying goes where theres a will theres a way!

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Highlander
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 1:18:53 PM

LOL!

Be fair, you and I both know that the only reason you can run game backups is because they cloned a service master key, booted the system into it's own debug mode, that allows you to run unsigned code, and then they cobbled together a backup manager using an unlicensed SDK.

I don't think we can fairly call it a hack when they are really simply using the console's debug mode via a stolen service key.

I was doing some reading on the topic of CFW and I don't think that will happen. I could be surprised, but the statements I was able to find from the big names in that field all point to it being impossible to access the system at the level required to do a custom FW.

From all the reading and research, the most likely way this will go is that whether or not the PS Jailbreak folks find a way past the 3.42 update by modifying the device ID of their USB key, Sony will ultimately remove debug mode from the firmware stack that is installed on retail units. I can imagine that tehy will do some other things to shore up other elements of the security. But if this continues to be a problem, Sony will effectively disable the service key/maintenance mode/Debug mode loophole by removing it completely. It will make servicing PS3s more difficult, but I believe that MS did something very similar in response to a USB based attack on their system.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:02:53 AM
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On a slightly related note: I heard on BBC radio about a scientist that used the PS3 for scientific purposes. He'd clustered 16 ps3's running Linux to do some heavy number crunching for him, and he claimed that the processing power he gained from that was the equivalent of nearly 200 PCs (!). The story ended with him saying that it was "too bad" that Sony has disabled the possibility to run other software / OS on the system "just because of gaming", that it was such a waste of great hardware.

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Highlander
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:07:00 AM

The thing is, that it's not really all that clear cut that 16 PS3s have the processing power of 200 PCs, unless we're talking about Pentium 4s of course...

The researcher in question is only about a year behind the times since OtherOS was removed from production more than a year ago.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:09:22 AM

Yes he had 16 old ps3's running because of this removal of otheros, this is exactly what he was talking about. He said that any "old" ps3 laying around that's not upgraded has a scientific value.

This story is featured in BBC's "Digital planet" a couple of weeks ago. Available as podcast, and a great weekly show.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:19:54 AM

Regarding the "200 PCs", he probably compared the power with a pc with the same price tag. Then it kinda makes more sense...

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NeoHumpty
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 2:09:06 PM

I'm sure that Sony could build a system to spec for the right buyer that would have all that power in one box.

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:04:57 AM
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It's a shame that hack-jobs like the PSJailbreak have to happen. It's a freaking video game!! Play them to enjoy them.

I hope that Sony locks out the individual PS3's if something like the Jailbreak is discovered.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:05:30 AM
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Hopefully Sony can keep the pirates at bay for some time with this firmware update.

As a gamer who gladly pays to take part in my favorite form of entertainment, I wouldn't want to hurt the market or deter the talent that brings me, and everyone else, great games.

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B-RadGfromOV
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:20:02 AM

You did that on purpose didn't you? "pirates at bay"

XD

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Wissam
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:13:20 AM
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Good. they made their move. I hope it works.

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Cavan1
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:14:20 AM
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since i have a rooted android phone, i did it yesterday to see if it would work, and yes it did, i backed up uncharted and was able to play the game without it being in my system. Very impressive stuff, though i have now updated my ps3, i know there are ways to go online without updating but i dont need this back up manager, it will be used for only piracy which only hurts the devs, and we end up with less and worse games.

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Soultaker
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:29:19 AM

Yeah so they can still do w/e and not have to update the firmware...it's annoying they gotta do something about that going around to get online without having to update.

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Highlander
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:54:43 AM

A word of advice.

Remove that 'backup manager' software from your PS3. At some point Sony will start looking for the backup manager application IDs on PS3s and ban units if the use of a 'backup manager' is detected.

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Cavan1
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 12:05:03 PM

thanks highlander, first thing i did before i updated to 3.42 was worried about the new firmware checking to see if a backup manager was on, like i said i was just curious to see if it would work.

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Highlander
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 12:44:49 PM

Oh, indeed. I understand from a techie point of view you want to see if it can be done. once you've seen it, it's back to business as usual. I completely understand that, I generally feel the same way.

As soon as the open source version hit, I checked to see what it was and it's a piece of software running on a processor inside a USB stick. In other words, someone wrote a piece of software that makes the micro-controller inside the USB stick respond as if it were an authorized service key. So I'm not surprised an Android phone can do it. I am surprised that a TI-84 can do it though...LOL! That's quite a techie feather in a cap if you ask me.

The fact that Sony has blocked all of existing USB based hacks suggests that they did more than target a specific hack. I think they made a change to the entire process to initiate service mode, otherwise only the original device and direct clones would have been blocked.

It's a game of cat and mouse, but Sony has options at their disposal, such as having the system require a second hardware device connected to some other port to enable service mode. I guess it's only a matter of time before that is cracked too.

I think Sony will start varying the coding and encryption for it's service keys with each major firmware update from now on to prevent a repeat of this performance.

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Snaaaake
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:24:51 AM
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I kinda look forward to meeting my friends if Sony fails, among my friends here, just about everyone of them pirate games.
Especially for the PSP, they don't play through UMD, they simply download it for free and they told me I wasted my money on BlazBlue when they downloaded free on the PSP.
And I got Bayonetta they were like,"Dude, the 360 version is so much cheaper and it's the same game!!" Well I didn't really fight back cause Bayonetta was seriously inferior so all the more reason to bash me.

Now about this, a firmware should do the trick and even if it works, they can't go online.
I got friend updating his PSP and he couldn't play his pirated game software.

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hobgoblin
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:30:04 AM
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The one thing that gets my back-up regarding this is that despite Sony releasing a patch for the recent security issues (good thing), you still get people (so far on the EU and US forums) saying stuff like:

"such a boring update. WE WANT NEW FEATURES PLEASE"

"Yet another useless update. Bring us cross-game chat, cross-game invitation etc. and maybe more ppl would start using the PS3 for games and not just as a BR player.

It’s a good thing Microsoft knows how to do a good online experience"

and

"I wish you guys were this fast in adding features that everybody in the community wants badly then with stopping security threats."

a)the update is FREE, b) it takes what, 5 mins to download, and c) it fixes a security issue.

When JailBreak, PSGroove et al were revealed, people started speculating to if Sony would counteract with a firmware update. Now that they have, people are still complaining.

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Snaaaake
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:33:23 AM

Here at PSXE, we don't do that.
Those are either trolls or whiners.

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bOnEs
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:33:45 AM
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good... it's nice to see sony staying on top of these things... it's really a shame that people want to play free games fully realizing that by in doing so, they're hurting these very companies chances to create more games...

but, they don't give a @#$%, they just live in the moment and couldn't care less of the repercussions of their actions...

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Deleted User
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 12:05:12 PM
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This is why i hate online gaming all of these stupid updates u will never see me online on my Ps3 again till the said update comes on a game disc then i will update other wise it takes me for ever for me to download it. oh how i miss the nintendo/n64 days without having to worry about updates.

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Highlander
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 12:48:07 PM

Why?

Why not update? Is having the possibility of pirating software so important to you? Sorry, but to be honest if you're already running 3.41, there is no reason to skip the 3.42 update unless you are hoping to use your PS3 for game piracy.

Anyone using OtherOS still runs 3.15, and this simply isn't an issue for them, not that they are interested in pirating games anyway, their interest is in running Linux for whatever reasons they have.

But anyone specifically ticked off by this update is objecting purely because it will prevent them from indulging in game piracy.

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Simcoe
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 1:13:07 PM

@ThEInFamOusgOd I updated this morning and, you may be surprised to read, it wasn't one of those 150 MB updates. In fact it took more time to install the update than it did to download it! So even if you have a 256kb/s or 512kb/s connection, it shouldn't take too long.

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Skatejimmy5
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 12:11:36 PM
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I think it's good that they try to get rid of these piracy problems, because they're really annoying and stupid. But still, a monthly firmware update is a little too often I'd say. Every three months would make more sense to me, plus they could fit more things into it.

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Highlander
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 12:49:14 PM

It's not a monthly update, there is no cycle that runs on a monthly basis. Good grief, people complain about everything. What was Sony supposed to do? Sit on the update and allow piracy, just so you wouldn't be able to complain about a monthly update?

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Temjin001
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 1:12:11 PM

I agree with Highlander, the widespread adoption of something like PS3jailbreak directly affects the health of Sony's business and profitability. I'm sure if they could released the firmware even sooner, they would have.

Besides, most any online enabled computer device has frequent security update patches, even for Mac =p

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Fane1024
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 4:24:58 PM

I miss the days when the firmware updates WERE on a monthly cycle, because we got cool new features every month.

I'd update every day if it meant they would fix the effing browser.

Edit:
On topic, I find the idea of homebrew applications intriguing, but homebrew doesn't justify opening a platform to piracy.

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bronx_boy
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 12:31:08 PM
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well thats 1 for SONY and 1 for the homebrew community (1-1) but whats the point theses lames will spend the rest of there lkfe trying to get passed this it just ganna be back and forth.. well gL sony

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The Who
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 12:40:31 PM
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c'mon you guys it pretty cool cause i like playing games earlier then every one else.and pirated games come out early at times. owned a psp and would pirate but truthfully would buy the games i liked. along with my wii i pirate and i recently bought metroid other m and monster hunter. except i was playing other m 3 weeks before any one else.
and it helps more because my ps3 got a chain saw affect and my wii had it bad. my ps3 messed up my uncharted 2 and lbp so i had to re buy them and that really sucks. and my wii messed up 4 of my games.

And yea pirating has it extremely bad side which out weighs the good.but the ps3 is a beast and we all know it imagine the possibilities with its full potential unlocked through home brew. we can even get back words compatibility running and .mkv to play.

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Highlander
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 12:49:57 PM

Bull.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 1:08:23 PM

It's stealing.

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ace_boon_coon
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 1:46:30 PM

i hate when people use the word "back-up". this is flat out stealing. you know damn well people are not buying these games. the more people pirate the crappier game we will get. knock it off.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 1:52:27 PM

It's theft!

Simple as that!

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 2:06:53 PM

.mkv works just fine through streaming, sucka.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 3:50:04 PM

are you kidding me?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 6:18:06 PM

I just convert my .mkvs

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 6:38:22 PM

World,

That's another easy method. I share several external hard drives full of media via PS3 Media Server. I find it easier than converting hundreds of .mkv videos.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 10:10:50 AM

@The Who

I already have backwards compatibility. No need for theft.

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JackC8
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 12:42:05 PM
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I see they were selling those things for $125. LOL, probably getting some rather angry calls from customers right about now :)

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th3_bLy
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 12:49:55 PM
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Even if the PS3 was hacked, it would be a downright b*tch to have to pirate the games. I'm not willing to spend time to download, I dunno, a 10+ gb game. And then the amount of space it would take on a desktop/laptop hard drive would be incredibly stupid. I'm glad Sony released this update, stops people from ruining a brand synonymous with quality.

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Highlander
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 12:50:30 PM

This hack didn't play downloaded ISOs, you had to have an original disc to make a copy of the game.

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th3_bLy
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 12:54:44 PM

Sorry, I should clarify. If this led to piracy on the PS3, where you could run the ISO's without the disc, it would be a pain.

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RadioHeader
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 1:16:16 PM
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As well as being a pirate-free zone, it's made my browser work a bit better. 3.42 FTW!

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 1:20:36 PM
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Here's the story on Sony's win against the "Jailbreak" device in Australia....

Sony Fights PSJailbreak, Wins in Australia

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/sony-fights-psjailbreak-wins-in-australia/

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Amazingskillz
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 1:23:33 PM
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I'm all for protecting my PS3, I just hope the update doesn't take too long loading. 2 minutes or less hopefully.

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Killa Tequilla
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 1:31:18 PM
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I have no idea what ANYONE is saying. Ok
A) Is the problem solved for good? I mean for good, for good? No one can do whatever they do with their pirated games anymore? It's like gone for good, for good?
B) How long was this going for?
C) In Sony I trust.

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___________
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 5:42:02 AM

no its not for good, just like the PSP this will be going on for the rest of time!
you know the drill, modders patch the patch so sony patch the patches patch than modders patch the patched patch and so on and so on.
this will be going on forever, sony are never going to block it for good!
only thing they can (and should) do is ban any consoles found using it, not just the PSN ID because people will just create a new one, brick the whole freaking console!
that way if your caught using it your console is useless and will need to buy a new one.
how many new consoles will people buy till it gets old and they say its not worth it anymore?
but than that could get sony into a hell of a lot of trouble, not that thats stopped them before!
cough ps2 comparability, cough Linux support!

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madmike
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 1:33:34 PM
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the original open source jailbreak called psgroove was released without backup manager support. That being said it was later reworked to allow for the backup manager to run. I personally am waiting for some cool homebrew to come out like on the wii. I have no interest in pirating games i will pay for my games cause i realize some worked hard to make them. And they should be paid for their work. The only problem with being able to run unsigned code is that it enables piracy. Damn pirates ruined it for everybody

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SvenMD
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 1:42:17 PM
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Just another update.....gotta do it to keep on playin'.

From "Hackers":

"Yes, I am a criminal. My crime is curiosity. I am a hacker, and this is my manifesto. You may stop me...but you can't stop us all."

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 1:58:30 PM

Great movie (for its time). Now its a joke of a movie. AJ looks damn sexy in it though.

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SvenMD
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 2:29:09 PM

I think by joke you mean "cult classic".

And yeah, I'll take AJ in her biker jacket anyday over her skin and bones look today. And what are you doin' talking about girls lookin' hot? There were no wang shots in that movie, so I don't even know why it interested you. ;)

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 2:39:15 PM

Lol, I'm not gay! I just play one on the internet, duh!

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gumbi
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 1:57:58 PM
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I'm really conflicted on this topic... I'm a software developer, and a pathological warranty voider. I run CFW on my PSP, but before anyone tears me up for it you should know it's not to play stolen games. I love great video games, and I support the dev's who make'em. I want them to keep makin'em, and they won't do that if everyone's stealing their hard work. Got VC2 day one, and it's great by the way!

There are two big reasons I run CFW: 1. Legend of Dragoon. I'll never get enough of that game and it's at the top of my wishlist for PS1 Classics, but until then I'm playin my ripped version on my PSP (which I made from my legit game discs). And the second reason; Homebrew. There is some seriously cool homebrew apps/games out there for the PSP. I even wrote my own playlist manager so I could actually use my PSP as an MP3 player with different playlists rather than trying to deal with it's crippled playlist support.

The potential the PS3 has for homebrew really intrigues me. But I'd hate to see the PS3 suffer the same software fate that's plagued the PSP due to software piracy.

In the end, I have to side with Sony on this one. Software piracy is wrong, no two ways around it. It's stealing and that's bad m'kay. I just wish we could develop applications for the PS3, it has so much potential to be so much more.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 1:59:35 PM

Great post, and your reasons seem very legit.

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NeoHumpty
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 2:17:45 PM

Yeah, it's sad how much they limit what you can do with the machine. I wouldn't have any interest in homebrew at all if they would just make a decent browser, introduce the new Media sorting programs to the ps3, and let me play my music while playing any game I choose.

I like collecting games. If I wanted to hack a system for free games, I would have bought a 360 a long time ago.

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Highlander
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 3:20:01 PM

@Gumbi

YOUR reasons are legit, but can you say that about all the others? the legitimate uses no matter how wonderful they are represent perhaps 1% of all users of console mods or custom firmware. Sony does not so much want to stop the Homebrew as it does the piracy.

I see your conflicted feelings. For me if kind of goes like this. When so very many people don't give a damn about legitimate uses and simply want to steal games, it's hard not to pay attention to that vast majority interested in stealing. Unfortunately that has a negative impact on the tiny minority who do not steal games. I sympathize, but the larger issue takes precedence.

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gumbi
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 4:43:26 PM

Unfortunately Highlander, you're exactly right. The vast majority who mod their consoles do it strictly to play backups. It's because of that that I have to applaud Sony's continued effort to foil these hack attempts. There's a part of me that wants it, but I know it'll do more harm than good. sigh...

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Highlander
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:46:41 PM

You're basically describing a lot of how I feel about it as well. I got truly angry at the idiot that tried to hack OtherOS and provoked Sony into removing OtherOS. Just for his own ego, he effectively ruined functionality that many 10's of thousands of people used. Like it or not, his initial 'breakthrough' simply spurred on further attempts making it inevitable that we'd see more security based updates from Sony.

But honestly if he hadn't tried breaking into OtherOS, then people could have continued using OtherOS quite happily for their Homebrew needs. As it was OtherOS was never a threat to game security. But once someone started screwing around with the hypervisor and trying to access the secure processing vault, Sony were bound to act. It didn't have to happen.

I applaud Sony's efforts to keep the PS3 secure, and support them completely in this. But at the same time I would have liked it if OtherOS had not been removed. I would have loved it if the PS Jailbreak thing had been contained in Australia, but that was never going to happen.

It's sad that because some people can't accept reasonable limits on what they can do with a device, everyone else has to lose functionality to protect the device against unauthorized use.

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gumbi
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 12:41:41 AM

Oh man Highlander, don't get me started on geohot, or whatever he called himself. That d-bag didn't even stick to his guns, he ruined OtherOS for us and then fled the scene.

I had YellowDog linux running on my 60Gb, and it was great because I could run VLC and lots of other linux apps. Unfortunately my 60Gb is long dead and has since been replaced with a slim.

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Highlander
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 1:06:53 AM

I totally understand. That little moron Geohot screwed up Linux for all PS3 owners. What for? So he could whore himself around the media and claim to be the uber-hacker of all uber-hackers. I hate that OtherOS had to be removed. But, I understand why it was removed.

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Wissam
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 2:25:46 PM
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They say the update has disabled both ps jailbreak and ps groove. lets hope it stay this way.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 2:26:02 PM
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I do like to mod consoles, but only for added media and retro gaming. Right now my Xbox1 and Dreamcast handles my NES, SNES, Master system, and Genesis gaming needs.

The PS3 already does everything it needs to do, so modding that is purely for piracy. Stamp em out Sony!

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Orvisman
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 5:53:52 PM

And how are you running those classic roms? Did you download them off the Internet?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 6:19:36 PM

Indeed I did, as many do, and as this site has no problem with.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 6:41:47 PM

Orvis,

I'm with World on this one. The Dreamcast is a great console for classic gaming. I don't see anything wrong with downloading roms of games I already own or of games I can't find in stores that haven't been in circulation for decades.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 8:10:57 PM

Indeed, at the very least the gaming world owes me the ability to play friggin Super Mario 1 if I so desire.

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Orvisman
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 7:42:22 AM

Still, isn't that pirating?

I keep flip-flopping on wanting to rebuild my Colecovision and Intellivision collections, but I keep putting off rebuying the consoles and games because there are too many games coming out for the current gen consoles. It would be so easy to download the ROMs, but I don't; I am tempted though.

You could rebuy those classic NES/SNES/Genesis/etc... games on the Wii's virtual console.

I wonder what Underdog's and Highlander's opinions would be of downloading ROMs of classic games you don't own?

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Underdog15
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 10:29:45 AM

It's a tricky one to be sure.

However, for me, my issue isn't so much "don't do it because the law says so". For me, I just strongly hate second hand or illegal copies of games that takes away from the developer.

I have a NES and SNES emulator on my PC, actually. If there is absolutely no way for the original dev to make a profit on it's games, then it becomes fair game really. For classics from old systems, the devs have no means whatsoever to make a profit, nor do they intend to.

Since it is impossible for you to take business away from the dev who made it, I'm not against finding other means for classics.

That being said, however, there are some classics, like PS1 classics on the PSN, that do go back into the industry. I might buy a used copy for my collection, but I would buy it off the PSN as well. (Truth be told, I like having it on my HDD anyways.)

For classic PC games, there are actually online distributors (like GOG.com) that do send back a portion of sales to the dev's that own the titles. I am a member of GOG.com and occasionally buy classics through that.

Basically, I guess my feelings are this: Once a dev discontinues shipping and producing a particular title, they wash their hands of making a profit on that game. If you want a hard copy of Super Mario Bros. for the SNES, you aren't going to buy it new anyways. You need a used copy.

Like I said, my reasons for disliking used sales aren't because "The Big Man says so". I'm just against taking away from the industry. If there's no way for the dev to make money off your purchase, then how you obtain a copy is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. If you truly try to support the industry, then what more can you do?

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Shadow786
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 3:09:49 PM
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PS3 is great as it is and i applaud Sony for reacting with a lawsuit and patch however if you guys (Didnt wanna read all the above comments) dont know the source has been released and now various devices can be used to hack the PS3. If this continues the PS3 could become like the PSP and have various cheaters hacking the games

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Snaaaake
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 6:16:06 PM

Seriously?
The original copy is cheaper?

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DjEezzy
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 5:16:37 PM
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wow. this affects a whole 2% of the playstation user base. LOL. who cares, i'm not a pirate so i this doesn't affect me at all. Just another FW update.

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tlpn99
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 6:34:25 PM
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I agree with the banning of the piracy issue. Lets be honest how many would say yeah it's for backup purposes and if they liked the game then go out and buy the original. After a while they would stop or more than likely not even start it at all and keep on pirating the games.

People who mod/alter thier PS3 they simply wont be able to play online if Sony goes about banning thier account but this wont stop piracy. All it will do is just mean they just end up playing a lot of single player stuff and not playing games online.

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tes37
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 6:37:56 PM
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All the thieves out there should be happy. They wanted something for nothing and Sony obliged with a free security update.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 6:38:38 PM

Haha, smarty pants.

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Highlander
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:47:18 PM

LOL!

Funny!

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thj_1980
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 6:54:02 PM
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Why bother hack the ps3 when you have o download 50gbs of MGS4?

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just2skillf00l
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 6:55:11 PM
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I have a confession. I used to download the ISOs for older games online. Games that you can't find in stores anymore. Mostly ps1 games and such. This was way before Sony started releasing the many PS1 classics on the PSN. I wouldn't do it anymore though now that I can find them on the PSN. Will this site ever forgive me?

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 7:23:43 PM

I will, because I'm still doing it and don't feel an ounce of guilt.

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just2skillf00l
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 7:27:57 PM

Not you LV, I was more than sure of your misdeeds. :)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 8:11:50 PM

If the game isn't available to buy then do what you gotta do man.

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Highlander
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:54:51 PM

I like the concept of abandonware. If a rights holder is not exercising their rights of distribution, there has to be a limitation on how long they can hold something without actively publishing it. Unfortunately copyright durations in many countries are being lengthened, not shortened. But especially with software, the duration of a copyright needs to be shorter. After all it's not like you can buy many of the old classic games 'new' any more. They are so out of print that the cobwebs have dust.

As much as I support copyright and the rights of creators and publishers. There do need to be restrictions on how long something can sit in the back-catalog without going public domain. That way if a publisher doesn't make a work available, they can lose the right to control it. It's something that would help consumers more than just about anything else, and it would force publishers to do more to make their properties available to consumers.

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 7:51:04 PM
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I'll just say I agree with everything Highlander said.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 8:33:00 PM

Even about the killing of the kids and the burning of the homes?

Wow...dude.

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Highlander
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 11:49:07 PM

@LV

::raised eyebrow::

Oh? Are you channeling a parallel dimension again?

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Underdog15
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 10:34:05 AM

nono, that was the piling of skids and coercing of Holmes.

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DeathOfChaos
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 8:38:11 PM
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I would mostly want to mod my PS3 so that HD MKV files would work on it. I know they can, it's just a matter of letting it. That and maybe play a few old ROMs of games that I OWN on the SNES and Sega Genesis. Playing Super Mario World, Kirby Superstar, and the Sonic games would be great. Which reminds me... when is Sonic 4 coming out?

Also: Been playing Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep ll day today, great game! I'm at Level 12 at the Forest Clearing, which is at the start of the first world on Critical Mode. Gonna gett he secret ending for sure!

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 9:47:28 PM

Why don't you just stream your MKV files in HD? It's extremely easy. All you need is a computer (hell an e-machine) and your ps3 and computer on a network.

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iwillbetheone
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 10:47:04 PM
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I would not support this if Sony had kept all those features that a PS3 is capable of. If the PSJailbreak can allow someone to play PS2 games, run Linux, and .mkv files on a PS3, then it should be appreciated. I am not supporting game piracy, but it's disheartening how Sony disables features like Other OS when they shouldn't. I have a modded XBOX and use it as a Linux PC for basic works, but never play pirated games on it. Modding opens up a lot of possibilities to use your console, not just pirating.

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___________
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 5:36:00 AM
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id normally curse these people, and would string them up by there own entrails if i was to meet them.
but since sony STOLE features i paid for they have no one else but themselves to blame!
they want to act like criminals, thats fine ill treat them like one!
as i always said karma is a b*tch, justice is swift, and revenge is a dish best served cold!

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whooka
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 8:05:12 AM
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haven't they ALL been security updates? this is just the first openly labeled as such. While I'm sure the corporate entity that is Sony cares not about their reputation, they took a big hit amongst actual 'techies' (those who actually code applications, build hardware, etc) when they pulled Linux away in lieu of 'security', and now with all this of the past few weeks it's clear they took away a huge feature pre-emptively which has in no way resolved the 'security' issue. thanks, sony. what's next, disabling the USB ports permanently? despite what Highlander and some others think, 'homebrew' does not equate to 'piracy'. and jailbreaking does not equate to 'hacking'. in fact recently laws were changed in the United States which makes 'jailbreaking' legal if it's to run legitimate applications that have been crippled manually by the manufacturer. it'll be interesting to see Sony try to stop the new, homebrew rootkits as they pretty much fall under this law. there are people who'd rather try to develop applications and custom o/s's than spend their time twatting on twitter or facebook. Piracy is in still no way rampant on the PS3 and as others have said between the size of a bluray image, both in bandwidth and hd space terms, it's hardly worth it to pirate most of the PS3 games and those which people would they most likely would not buy in the first place. same as the music industry. in fact Sony should welcome piracy as it then gives them an excuse for any game title released that they hyped up but sucks and no one ended up buying in the end (like the music industry). let's all remember that before there was ANY hack/etc for PS3 Sony was bleeding money fine on their own.

Sony has begun the eternal dance with 'hackers' which will never stop. The 'hackers', most not motivated by money and having a technical vision not restricted by a business model, will ALWAYS find another way in to the system. Sony will keep putting out firmware updates that remove features one by one in an effort to keep up with the threat of piracy, and the only folks who will suffer will be those who follow the rules. i gave up on them after they removed the other o/s option, it was a clear downward spiral at that point. i hardly use my PS3 anymore between the lack of any new titles this summer and the fact it's now been lobotomized.

Home brew folks keep up the good work! Sony will keep digging themselves into a hole and spend all their time trying to undo your efforts but we know with your limitless time and vision you'll always stay one step ahead.

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Highlander
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 9:33:59 AM

You must have a reading comprehension problem. I do not equate Homebrew with piracy. I clearly equate the motivation of modding a console as being piracy in about 995 of cases. But I did not equate homebrew and piracy.

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Highlander
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 12:25:36 PM

^^^^
Edit
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99% of cases - '995 of cases' is a typo.

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 1:31:02 PM
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I found an interesting article from Digital Foundry on the Jailbreak and what Sony's doing about it.......

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-psjailbreak-article

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Highlander
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 @ 4:16:32 PM

DF seems to be a little skeptical of Sony's ability to patch the USB boot process. Sadly for them, Sony just went and did exactly that, they patched the firmware to block USB booting from these cloned service keys. It's actually been confirmed that they did not disable USB booting entirely, but it looks awfully like they essentially perma-banned whatever service key was cloned.

So, as predicted Sony won in the courts and have patched the PS3's firmware to prevent this service key based 'hack' working at all.

I believe that the cat caught the mouse in this instance.

Next up, a firmware that actively looks for signs of mis-use, and a PSN authentication process that uses authentication specific to each firmware revision making all of the known firmware bypasses irrelevant. The more people push, the greater the push back will be. Every one of these instances enhances the security that Sony is justified in including. Every one of these breeches in security adds to the case for hardware manufacturers locking their products down.

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