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Treyarch Will Support Black Ops To Keep Trade-Ins Down

It seems as if all big publishers are looking for ways to monetize the used game market; we've got the Online Pass from EA, for instance, and both Sony and Activision have expressed interest in similar programs.

However, Call of Duty: Black Ops developer Treyarch would rather try a different approach: simply produce a product few owners would ever wish to trade in. This according to what studio boss Mark Lamia told MCV, where he said the game's multiplayer will keep trade-ins down. Said Lamia:

"I want to take that in the other direction and bring consumers really great reasons to keep their games, rather than trade them in.

Multiplayer is critical to the success of this series. It has such tremendous staying power – there are millions of people playing Call of Duty every day. It’s entertaining people on a magnitude that’s mind-blowing and we work really hard to make sure it’s supported for a long time."

EA and THQ already have used one-time download codes that charge gamers to unlock the multiplayer mode in certain titles (Tiger Woods PGA Tour 11 and UFC Undisputed 2010 included). But Treyarch says they'd rather "support the hell" out of their upcoming shooter, which should work towards dissuading owners from getting rid of the game in the near future. Finished Lamia:

"We’re going to support the hell out of Black Ops. That will be our focus post-release: making sure we keep our fans engaged, and hopefully as a result, they’ll want to keep playing our game and won’t want to trade it in."

Well, that's another way to go. By now, we figure most understand CoD's longevity comes almost exclusively from the multiplayer, so few are likely to be disappointed. They get it going in. Still, Treyarch's idea isn't bad.

Related Game(s): Call of Duty: Black Ops

Tags: activision, call of duty, cod, black ops, used games

9/10/2010 11:56:14 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (112 posts)

jaybiv
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 12:19:50 PM
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it will be interesting to see what they come up with. ea's online pass is a major p.i.t.a.

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Proxy
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 12:20:05 PM
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Is "support" codeword for $15 DLC?

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TheCrazyMerc
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 12:39:24 PM

I just hope it isnt reused maps like in MW2

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ed_winchester
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 1:04:34 PM

took the words right out of my mouth proxy

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D1g1tal5torm
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 1:43:24 PM

At least you're getting something for your 15 bucks, as opposed to just paying to play online.

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Jawknee
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 1:44:48 PM

What are we getting exactly? Rehashed maps and a few new ones?

No thanks. Ill save my money for more deserving content and developers.

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D1g1tal5torm
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 2:02:47 PM

usual happy self eh jawk?

At the very least trey are taking a different tack in stopping people trading in their games and making people play and enjoy the game.

we all know you're a downer - so your comments on cod dont count for diddly.

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Jawknee
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 2:13:35 PM

HAHA ok guy. you still didn't answer my question. What exactly are we getting for the over priced DLC?

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D1g1tal5torm
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 2:18:11 PM

I can guess - but cant say for definite, neither can you. Yet you still feel the need to bash.

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Jawknee
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 2:21:56 PM

i asked a question. We have seen what DLC means coming from Activision and CoD. SO...again....What are we getting for the their over priced content?

So far is been garbage.

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D1g1tal5torm
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 2:30:08 PM

All dlc is overpriced, but at least trey are giving you something rather than just paying to play online.

might as well go and get an xbox.

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THEVERDIN
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 2:45:51 PM

Yep, and of course it has to be MP, when will developers get that a lot of people don't do MP. I'm so sick of this MP give us some SP extensions to your games and maybe we won't sell to Gamestop.

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Jawknee
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 2:49:15 PM

I happen to think EA's idea to charge used game buyers $10 to access the MP is actually more fair then saturating the market with mediocrity.

Not all DLC is over priced. Naughty Dog has proven that time and time again.

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D1g1tal5torm
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 3:30:39 PM

Bit short-sighted...

...dont you think you end up paying to play online and then for dlc as well?

It's just layering of additional costs.

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Jawknee
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 3:49:27 PM

Not at all. $10 will give the used buyer access to the entire multiplayer experience vs $14.99 for maps.

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Underdog15
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 3:51:58 PM

@Digitalstorm
I'm not following your train of thought here. No offense, intended, honestly. Can you elaborate more on a specific issue?

I am curious about what they mean by continuing to support the multiplayer... servers don't exist. Players host games from home, which consistently leads to hick-ups in gameplay. And glitches in the DLC continue to be present. You can STILL hide INSIDE a rock on one map. It's a very well known issue, and is all over the internet including Activision's forums.

I kinda agree with Jawk on this one. I'm not seeing any support aside from the addition of multiplayer map packs that remain to this day to be glitchy and simple re-makes.

Those maps are the easiest thing to program in a game. Minimal work got them top dollar.

I dunno... I appreciate DLC as much as the next guy, but for $30 for both DLC, we should expect more quality. $30 is half a new game, for craps sake!

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D1g1tal5torm
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 4:57:46 PM

It's quite a simple concept...

HAVE to pay $10 to access an on line portion of a game.

or...

have online straight out of the box and then CHOOSE whether you want to pay for dlc.

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Underdog15
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 5:04:54 PM

You do realize that if there was that 10$ online fee, it would NOT apply to those that buy the game new, right?

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bigrailer19
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 7:24:52 PM

These are 2 different games and 2 very different developers Jawknee. I'll put money on it that Treyarch will not use maps from W@W in black ops as DLC. So we would be paying for totally new maps. Do I think that $15 is overpriced hell yes, considering we got just as many maps for a better game in KZ2 for 1/3 of the price compared to MW2.

Let's also not forget about the zombie maps. Those alone are worth a good price considering how much time I've got on each map!

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Gabriel013
Monday, September 13, 2010 @ 12:57:09 AM

Digital storm:
"have online straight out of the box and then CHOOSE whether you want to pay for dlc."

No thanks,

I'll take more free dlc and then CHOOSE whether I want to pay multiplayer. Which I won't.

Techy, Only game I've bought all dlc for is SP only Mass Effect 2. THAT is a good game that you never want to trade in and has nothing to do with multiplayer. A lot of developers could learn from that.
Would have been nicer if dlc was cheaper but can't have everything I guess.

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Jawknee
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 12:35:52 PM
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Make good games and people will keep them. Saturate the market and people will trade them.

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D1g1tal5torm
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 2:05:03 PM

same ol' record.

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Jawknee
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 2:15:07 PM

Kind of like your beloved mediocre franchise?

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D1g1tal5torm
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 2:16:57 PM

rinse and repeat.

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Underdog15
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 3:59:55 PM

Digital, what about Jawk's comment was offensive? Why do you need to come in guns ablazin' with a mantra like "rinse and repeat" and "Same old record"?

I feel like you could contribute to this much better if you put more intelligent thought into it. But everyone can see you're just trying to attack Jawknee. Why is it so bad if he doesn't agree with you? He said NOTHING to offend you until you attacked him first.

If you don't believe me, just notice one thing...

Who is getting the "thumbs up" comments? (Thumbs down don't matter unless there's alot. Some people sporadically thumb down all the time).

And the ONLY reason is because he's offering decent comments. You're just being insulting. Quite frankly, you sound loud and a bit prickish.

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D1g1tal5torm
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 4:58:20 PM

Have you got a second login jawk?

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Underdog15
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 5:07:55 PM

If he does, this account isn't it. And I doubt he has 6 accounts for all those thumbs up.

Additionally, I think some of our past debates would be something quite strange for one person to do just to make a comment at you in the future. (We have some differing views on some political issues, as can be seen in past comment sections)

Besides, even the site admin can vouch for my Canadian status.

I assure you, you do sound like a mean person, Jawk or no Jawk.

Any regulars here would know we're two very different people.

Jawk was right about one thing though... you do avoid questions. Instead of addressing the many questions I posed to you, you felt it necessary to avoid them by claiming he and I are the same individual.

Stop being a coward and answer me. You're better than that.

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maxpontiac
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 12:36:08 PM
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I'll believe that when I see it. For me personally, I would have loved to see Fallout 3 just get the Vegas expansion as DLC (for example).

But when Madden sells nearly 1 million copies on both PS3 and 360 this month, I know it'll never happen.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 3:58:52 PM

What are you talking about? New Vegas isn't an expansion.

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maxpontiac
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 5:17:11 PM

That's why I said this ----

"I would have loved to see"

I think you misunderstood me.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 8:18:02 PM

thats retarded

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Gabriel013
Monday, September 13, 2010 @ 1:01:06 AM

max, I'm dsperately hoping that New Vegas proves to be so huge and entertaining that we will be convinced it couldn't possibly have been dlc or an expansion pack.

And thanks for reminding me of the 2nd game I've ever bought all the dlc for. I love my PS3 Fallout 3 (despite its painful glitches)

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JackC8
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 12:39:25 PM
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New $15 map packs every month then.

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Zorigo
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 12:52:24 PM
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I reckon Treyarch will start with the best of intentions, and then Activision will eff it over and everything will be a piss take.

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Kokushi
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 12:58:29 PM
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So than mean weekly instead of a couple of months DLC for $20? LOL

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Alienange
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 1:03:41 PM
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I think Wager matches was a good idea and look forward to trying some of that. The "one in the chamber" looks crazy too. Glad to hear they're not just putting out their game and then making a break for it. Support from devs should be a mainstay this gen.

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Deleted User
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 1:04:36 PM
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yawn, What is Call of Poo ?

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Alienange
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 1:23:46 PM

Don't pretend you don't know.

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Jawknee
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 1:41:23 PM

Hes not very clever with these attempts to bash a game. In another thread he said he never heard of Halo because he didn't play shooters.

Uh huh...

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Highlander
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 1:26:28 PM
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Good luck with that Treyarch. Somehow I think you're fooling yourselves, but since MW2 sold ludicrous numbers, whether trade-ins are a problem or not won't impact on whether you make a profit, it will only impact how offensively large that profit it...

I wonder whether 'support' means expensive, "must have" DLC?

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Jawknee
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 1:43:31 PM

Amazing isn't it? How some of these developers aren't satisfied with good sales. Profitable sales. They think they need to hit MW2 sales in order to stay relevant.

They are focused on making their games a MW2 success instead of...well making their game a success.

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D1g1tal5torm
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 2:03:40 PM

boring - the pair of you.

go and play/comment on your beloved jprg's.

Trying to be all elitist and failing miserably.

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Jawknee
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 2:15:34 PM

Yes, because FPS are much better than JRPG's.

/

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D1g1tal5torm
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 2:16:18 PM

you need to think before typing.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 2:29:31 PM

You can both stop now.

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johnld
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 2:43:24 PM

hmm... seems like elitist is the same as speaking the truth this time. but anyway, i guess its our fault for liking deeper games than ones thats just point and click. although i also like playing bad company 2 but only with people i know.

its a fact that most devs are using modern warfare 2 sales as a measuring stick to how well their games fare in the market. part of the reason some games are adopting "twitch gamer" mentality. Its a fact that games like mw2 and black ops, mediocre by comparison to exclusives, will sell a lot. Its a fact that their dlcs are overpriced and hyped to be the must have status even though they only gave you 3 new maps and 2 rehashed ones. It is a fact that since mw1, call of duty followed its format and even went as far as to use the same engine rendering the following call of duty games to be mw1 reskinned. Its also a fact that instead of focusing on the overall quality of MW2, they focused on the multiplayer aspect to sell their game. however, even with their "focus", the game still came out as mess and a half.

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Jawknee
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 2:54:32 PM

Sorry Ben, its just comedy to me how much stock people put into these FPS as opposed to deep, challenging, meaningful and story rich games...like a good RPG.

This used to be an industry that rewarded greatness. It seems be going the way of the music and movie industry where mediocrity triumphs and it stinks.

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Simcoe
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 3:12:17 PM

@Jawknee
I don't always think that it's the developers but the publishers. I usually see the developers as the artists making a game for the pure enjoyment of their fans and pushing themselves to see what they can accomplish. I often see the publishers as the ones coming up with ideas to maximize their profits.

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Jawknee
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 3:19:44 PM

I agree however its the developers who are getting in bed with publishers like Activision. No one forces these developers to sign with the publishers. So while not all the blame can or should be placed at the developers feet, i think some of it can.

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D1g1tal5torm
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 3:32:46 PM

embrace the change rather than fight it.

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Simcoe
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 3:47:47 PM

Of course there will always be trade-offs, especially those working on AAA titles. Developers need publishers. The publisher provides the developer with a guaranteed distribution channel to the market (perhaps even needed cash flow). Without an easy way to get to the market, they'll have a much harder time trying to sell their game independently.

Of course this isn't the same for publishers that outright own developers, the publisher will still have the final say on pricing.

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Jawknee
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 3:52:09 PM

I agree with you again. 2 for 2. ha but i would only point out that their are better publishers than Activison out their for developers to pursue.

When i was in a band, there were a few labels who wanted to sign us. Some bigger money grubbing music killing labels and some small DIY labels. We went with the DIY label to to uphold the integrity of our music.

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Highlander
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 4:27:28 PM

Elitist? Could this be a case of projection on your part?

I said nothing bad about the game, I simply questioned whether the developer stating that they wouldn't have a online pass thing would have any measurable effect on sales, profits or anything else. Not to mention the likelihood of expensive DLC.

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D1g1tal5torm
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 2:15:36 PM
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we all know yor views on cod - so what you doing here?

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Underdog15
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 3:54:08 PM

You're just a mean-spirited person. So what if he doesn't like it? Don't take it so personally, dude. Half your comments are insulting... calling Jawk and Highlander boring. (Highlander, by the way did absolutely NOTHING to offend you.)

Just support your stance with facts, dude. Most of your posts are just mean.

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Godslim
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 5:30:44 PM

yeh digital your arguments arent the best man

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booze925
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 6:02:30 PM

@D1g1tal5torm
as an avid CoD fan, im asking u 2 shut up. ur making CoD and its fans look stupid.

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Fane1024
Saturday, September 11, 2010 @ 3:07:34 PM

Unlike his previous comments, Digital has a point here. Why is Jawknee even reading this article if he hates the game? That's trolling, pure and simple...and beneath the contributors here on PSXExtreme.

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Underdog15
Saturday, September 11, 2010 @ 4:12:37 PM

It's only trolling if you aren't offering any good fodder for discussion. If he came on saying "Cod sucks, blah blah" that's one thing. But he came on offering good feedback about the quality of DLC, etc. in general.

I have Jawk on my friends list, and I just checked to see if he has CoD experience. Sure enough, he's spent time on MW2... so his responses are legit.

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BikerSaint
Monday, September 13, 2010 @ 10:01:00 PM

D1g1tal5torm,
I think there's only point you SHOULD be making, and that point is one that you Should actually be making to yourself....

Since you've rarely got anything good to say here with all your negativity & baiting of others, then exactly WHY are YOU even here at all?

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johnld
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 2:26:46 PM
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no matter how they "support" this game, things wont change. most of the 360 crowd will end up holding on to their copies because all they'll have to play is black ops and halo reach. just because these two games being released would probably even affect kinect negatively, aside for its shortcomings. kinda funny that the no games arguement is being said about 360 now.

as for the ps3 owners, most will probably trade their games in because theres a lot of game coming for us. and judging from what i read here in the comments so far, ps3 owners are pretty smart and prefer to support amazing games as opposed to mediocrity. I'm not saying they wont buy black ops, they are at some point, but it wont have that much staying power. Not to mention that those over priced dlc are a timed exclusive for the 360. even a months release difference is enough for the game to be forgotten especially since heavy hitters like gran turismo 5 is released the same month.

facts are that 360 owners will keep theirs because they only have black ops and reach to play. ps3 owners would play it and move on. timed dlc dont help with keeping the game at all.

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Gabriel013
Monday, September 13, 2010 @ 1:08:27 AM

Aw come on John, be fair. I own both systems and I don't own a CoD game for either one. Nor do I intend to unless I can justify the SP purchase. Not all 360 owners are dumb twitch gamers. Possibly MOST of them but I would comment on such a thing..

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Simcoe
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 3:24:33 PM
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I remember when Burnout Paradise was released, Criterion Games trumpeted their "Year of Paradise", meaning they would support and provide free additional content for 12 months following the game's release. Free updates lasted just under one year, but included many great single player and multiplayer content that added hours and hours of enjoyment to the game. This was an attempt to continuously provide something new, for free, so that people wouldn't want to trade in their game.

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Highlander
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 4:31:31 PM

That year of paradise was a great concept. It's a real pity more people didn't buy into Burnout Paradise.

Their so-called GCC (aka DLC) was a mixed bag though. The island was a bargain, but there was one car set with that crazy boost car that was just way over priced. all in all the continual flow of updates kept your interest far longer than many other games, and the release of the Island re-kindled some interest too.

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Simcoe
Saturday, September 11, 2010 @ 9:00:35 AM

You're right, I didn't even mention the downloadable content that we did pay for! The Legendary Cars were fun and worth what I paid, but Big Surf Island was, by far, the best money I've ever spent on DLC and a great finale to a great game!

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Fane1024
Saturday, September 11, 2010 @ 3:11:02 PM

I almost bought all the DLC for Burnout, but I just couldn't justify spending SO much on a few car models. So, I just got the Island--and the six (?) awesome cars that came with it.

If the bundle was originally $20 like it is now, I would have jumped.

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Simcoe
Sunday, September 12, 2010 @ 10:26:28 AM

I ended up buying all the DLC with the exception of the party pack. As I said, I had lot of fun with the Legendary Cars pack. I did find the Boost Specials pack somewhat helpful for battle/defending Road Rule times. I didn't get much use out of the Toy Cars pack. You're right, we got so much with Big Surf Island, well worth the $15!

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Gabriel013
Monday, September 13, 2010 @ 1:11:33 AM

Free, or dirt cheap dlc mixed with the odd free bone should be the method used to gain longevity for your title and avoid trade ins.

Also I'd suggest linking sequels so that you may even be tempted to play last years game knowing it will create a noticable change in the new shiny sequel you have in your hands.

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swapnilgyani
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 3:40:09 PM
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My mantra is simple - give me an amazing product (in terms of single player content), and I will not trade it in. I've always kept the best games with me as long as I've kept the console.

Give me a good-ish product, and I will buy it second hand, and sell it when I've had enough.

Give me a mediocre product, and I will not buy it at all, and actively stop strangers from buying it as well!

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Nick Maim
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 3:45:43 PM
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You can't trade in a rental so..

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 4:01:07 PM
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Not getting into the COD good or bad debate, I think yeah it's obvious this just means they will keep releasing expensive DLC. What keeps people from trading it in, is that all that junk on their hard drive is then useless and they can't bring themselves to have to delete it.

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Jawknee
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 4:06:08 PM

If they really want to keep people from trading it in with this method they need to offer better DLC for less money than they have so far.

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Underdog15
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 4:02:29 PM
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I got a lot of hours out of MW2, and I bought the DLC's too. If it were just me, I wouldn't, but all my friends play it. I only ever play when with them.

But I gotta say, I really don't get what they mean by online support. There really isn't any at all. They don't fix buggy maps, players host themselves regardless of ping or location, and there's no troubleshooting at ALL.

I dunno... I'm not buyin' it. We'll have to see how it is post-release.

Any chance PSXE will review it? Would be nice to see what they think!

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Simcoe
Saturday, September 11, 2010 @ 8:53:12 AM

I know what you mean about friends playing MW2! The majority of my friends (in real life) don't play video games, of those that do have ps3 most have MW2, and it's the only game they play. They are the only reason why I bought the game and why I've laid down another $30 for those map packs. I have loads of fun playing MW2 with them but wish that they'd try other games too once in a while!

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A2K78
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 4:34:53 PM
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Good luck because in the end they'll learn that you can't fight the used game/console market.

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MadPowerBomber
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 4:37:18 PM
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i'd think that being ripped off by store trade in value would keep people from doing it. I bought KoFXII, 'cause I love the series, but I hated it. Traded it in three days later and gamestop gave me 24 bucks on a game i just paid 60 for. they turned around and sold it, or priced it at least, for 54. i've not traded a game since, even if i disliked it.

buying used games is a tremendous value some times, but trading games in isn't.

I'd rather keep a crappy game and get my money out of it nowadays.

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CONTRABAND
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 5:35:59 PM

ebay is the way to go, fair price for the buyer and seller.

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swapnilgyani
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 6:08:20 PM

That's right - ebay it is

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Fane1024
Saturday, September 11, 2010 @ 3:15:09 PM

Blockbuster (while they're still in business) also offers much more fair trade-in value than GameStop. The few games I've traded, I traded to BB.

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Hezzron
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 5:07:15 PM
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I like the way they're talking. Make something worth hanging onto, as opposed to shovel-ware that needs some kind of greedy rigged-up system for getting in on the milking of the used market.

I have high hopes for this game.

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A2K78
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 5:24:26 PM
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MadPowerBomber, the problem with the war on used games/consoles is the fact its pointless. In fact the war on used games is very much the war certain game publishers waged on the grey market(e.g. import) scene. In fact the very reason why blu ray(and PS3) ended up being a regionless format stem from the fact both game publishers and movie studios began to realize they were fighting a losing war against grey market consumers like me.

In regards to used games, soon the very publishers and developers who are fighting the used game market will soon realize that they are fighting a losing battle

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KNG201
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 5:29:28 PM
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traded MW2 in with the quickness after i saw the maps was $15. im good at it but it just wasnt fun like COD4. should of known better about them when they said no to supporting the best game they ever made.(COD4) 1map no rumble support...,

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Godslim
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 5:32:19 PM
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good god guys great bickering going on here!

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GuardianMode
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 5:47:06 PM
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Lets be honest here. COD is all about the money. To get that $$$ they have to keep the game going with promises of "AWESOME DLC!." Which will be 15 Dollar downloads. They will buy them just to say that they did. MW2s map packs proved that.

Antivision noticed the money it could make with a minimum of effort and it hooked them like a drug. Easy money is a hard habbit to break. Especially from the view points of a large corporation. All this talk about quality is just a smoke screen. Yet a smoke screen millions are willing to keep before their eyes.

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booze925
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 6:04:13 PM
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i bought all the maps for $0.
gameshared with a friend. thats how ill continue 2 get DLC 4 all games

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booze925
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 6:09:00 PM
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black ops is going 2 be better than modern warfare 2, which, according to the PSX community, represents the entire CoD series. even if it DID though, is STILL fantastic.
when everyone reviews it, including PSX, and loves the game, i will be expecting an apology from the PSX community.

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piratedrunk
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 6:20:51 PM

How in any reasonable sense would anyone owe YOU an apology let alone anyone for their opinion?

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Alienange
Saturday, September 11, 2010 @ 4:57:13 PM

I am part of the PSXE community and you will get no such apology from me.

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Godslim
Sunday, September 12, 2010 @ 12:11:06 PM

i wouldnt go as far to say its gonna b better tbh mate....mw2 is iw and tbf treyarch have nicked all iws ideas

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Underdog15
Monday, September 13, 2010 @ 10:20:01 AM

Are you on booze, or something?

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FxTales
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 6:40:14 PM
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I never touched Uncharted 2's multiplayer and that game isn't leaving my collection. I wouldn't say it's a vital component to all games. It should be an option, not the star of the show.

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bigrailer19
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 7:39:01 PM

I agree with that 100%

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Gabriel013
Monday, September 13, 2010 @ 1:16:33 AM

Exactly. SP gives longevity, not MP. With games like CoD you follow your mates, so enmass you migrate onto the next big fps release and never look back. Doesn't matter how many overpriced maps or weapons they release as dlc.

With good reliable SP you keep going back, time and time again.

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Simcoe
Monday, September 13, 2010 @ 10:50:44 AM

I did try out UC2 multiplayer, but I just didn't have any time for it as I purchased "Ratchet and Clank: A Crack in Time" two weeks later!

It seems to be quite rare that developers release any single player DLC. Speaking of R&C:ACIT, I would have loved it if they had released more of those time puzzles that Clank had to solve at various point through out his missions. I'm also looking forward to Read Dead Redemptions final piece of DLC entitled "Undead Nightmare" which will feature new single player missions, new animals and a new location.

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bigrailer19
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 7:36:34 PM
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This is a comedy in hear. I didnt realise how many people were comedians on this site.

This is what is funny to me. Everyone in here is against FPS' yet KZ2 is awesome. Which it is. But Whenever COD gets brought up its the worst thing ever. My point is everyone hates the used game market in here, or at least stand up for the developers be half most of the time, from comments I usually read. Then when Treyarch pops up and says they are trying to create a game that people will like and enjoy so the need to trade it in doesn't occur, they still get bashed. LOL thats awesome! NOT! It's shallow. They are trying to create a game so the used game market doesn't flourish from it. Yet they still can't do anything right.

Another point I'd like to make is KZ2 and KZ3 will have a 2 year gap by the time KZ3 releases. Now in the case of COD its obvious Activision has the franchise on a one a year schedule. But by 2 different developers. Now maybe it does only need to be done by one developer which would then be on schedule with PSXE favorite FPS in KZ. The real funny thing is the franchise would still get bashed round here if that were to happen. It's quite sad really.

I personally think a lot of you misinterpreted Treyarchs meaning behind what they said.





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Alienange
Saturday, September 11, 2010 @ 5:10:32 PM

It's just the "cool" thing to do around here. Hate on FPS but make an exception for the PS3 exclusive.

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Gabriel013
Monday, September 13, 2010 @ 1:18:30 AM

I think it's a case of value for money, and where we place value.

I wouldn't touch CoD MP so if the single player was great and kept me playing then I'd love it.

I never touched KZ MP but it's still in my library because I enjoy playing the SP.

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Underdog15
Monday, September 13, 2010 @ 10:23:28 AM

I think there's only a small handful that hate the used game market. Most people in this community seem to support it... I'm not sure your points are valid when you address the psxextreme community as one individual entity. There's a pretty diverse number of opinions on such issues.

As for me, I've never 'hated' on the CoD franchise. MW2 was my first CoD ever. I gave it a decent user review, too. But I believe I see it for what it is... a pretty good game not nearly worth the hype chalked full of glitchiness.

I don't think I'm biased in any way. It's just the way I see it. I'm a guy you'll see playing all genres. (Although, I will admit preference to certain genres over others. Still, I like all if it's a good game). I think I'm very fair to CoD. I even platinumed MW2. But I stand by my thoughts.

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MARNEY
Saturday, September 11, 2010 @ 3:14:51 AM
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only time will tell, but black ops looks to be a ton of fun. undoubtedly, activision & treyarchs are gonna milk the dlc with this game. wasn't there an article recently that said activision favors dlc, as opposed to online codes to combat trade ins, & to get the full game experience... anyway i heard black ops would release with only 5 prestiges, how much you wanna bet one of the many dlc options on tap will be buying more prestiges for your character? 5.99$ for prestiges 6 to10 maybe? 14.99$ map packs are a guarantee. perhaps they'll sell cod points in the ps store too, so people wont have to work through the game to unlock weapons & killstreaks... maybe i'm wrong, but i'm expecting a dlc assault by activision with this game...

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Crabba
Saturday, September 11, 2010 @ 3:28:14 AM
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'EA and THQ already have used one-time download codes that charge gamers to unlock the multiplayer mode in certain titles (Tiger Woods PGA Tour 11 and UFC Undisputed 2010 included'

That's interesting, I'm pretty sure I read an article recently about how those two particular titles had surprisingly disappointing sales.... what a quinkidink.

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___________
Saturday, September 11, 2010 @ 4:53:39 AM
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well, they have nothing to worry about because in order for people to trade the game in they have to purchase it first.

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PSN French
Saturday, September 11, 2010 @ 6:49:14 AM
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Good solid points Jawk on where gaming is being ruined by the twitch gamer who can't do anything but press 'R2' to shoot and 'X' to jump. Good solid RPGs are so rare it's aggravating. Don't get me wrong, Fallout 3 is a great game, but do we really have to change RPGs into more of an Action/Adventure blend? What's next, take out the leveling up system? Can we get more games like Valkyria Chronicles or Demon's Souls? ... Games that require serious strategy and smart upgrading. So sad that this generation is entering into its 5th year (6th for X360), and there are so few real gems next to the 500 FPS!!!

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bigrailer19
Saturday, September 11, 2010 @ 11:16:20 AM

Is gaming also being ruined by me who enjoys all types of games the COD franchise included?

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Fane1024
Saturday, September 11, 2010 @ 3:20:47 PM

FPS games usually use every button on the controller, whereas JRPGs use only one or two. Not sure what your point is, aside from the knee-jerk hatred.

And I personally have no use for most FPSs.

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Alienange
Saturday, September 11, 2010 @ 5:15:21 PM

1. Fallout has always been a shooter.

2. FPS added leveling up so why would RPGs remove it?

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Dimsum
Saturday, September 11, 2010 @ 8:16:55 AM
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@Jawknee

Hey man, Im new to posting here but have been visiting this site for a long time. Anyway, I have a question for you.

I know you seem to feel that "twitchers" are not true game fans but what do you think of someone like me?

I absolutely love to play every CoD with my friends online. Between MW1&2 and W@W I have put in well over 500 hours online total but my absolute favorite genre is JRPG's. I despise the style and feel of WRPG's btw.
Anyway, I own around 500 games between all my systems and over 50% of them are Jrpg's.

You seem to feel there is a definite line drawn in the sand that if you like CoD you cant possibly like a "REAL" game with a story. (not tryin to pick a fight friend, just makin conversation)
I feel that there is room for both.
As a 30 yr old Husband and Father with a full time job I dont have the kind of time to sink into Rpg's that I used to. "twitch" games are great for me. I can jump online for an hour or two after the wife and kid go to sleep and even if I only do it once a week I still have a good time and am never lost.
Hard to make any real progress in an rpg an hour or two per week ya know?

Even though DigitalStorm seems to have a personal dislike towards your comments and was a little childish he does have his place in the gaming community. A place a true Jrpg fan like myself also visits, every year.

I say this to you while caressing my CIB mint copy of Chrono Trigger on the SNES like Smeagle does the one ring. MY PrEciOUs!!!!

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Godslim
Sunday, September 12, 2010 @ 12:15:02 PM

tbh i think the mw series is one of this generations greats and i enjoy the campaign as much as the online....i dont see y people come on here to insult it all the time
people on here also hate the fps genre and so hate on nearly all fps games apart from k2 because its a ps3 exclusive....i just think its narrow minded to shun a game just because its multi plat and a fps

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Simcoe
Monday, September 13, 2010 @ 8:23:23 AM

I have been really enjoying Bad Company 2. I do like the multiplayer aspect of it more than MW2, and therefore most of my fps time has been spent with BC2. I prefer the use of vehicles (land, sea and air), larger map sizes, and the destructible environment. I will say that I did think the single player and co-op side of the game were better than BC2.

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Underdog15
Monday, September 13, 2010 @ 10:34:15 AM

I never gave MW2 hate. In fact, I even have a user review that gave it a decent score. I also platinum'd it.

But come on... in all seriousness, can you really claim MW2 does alot? It's incredibly glitchy, and it's hardly polished. I won't go into detail since I wrote about it in the user reviews already, but people don't just "make exceptions" for exclusives.

I like all genres, although I am admittedly prone to favor certain ones over others. (RPG's are my favorite) But have you seen Killzone 2? The controls can be frustrating to one used to CoD controls, but look at the visuals and the physics... it's like night and day compared to MW2. I played both titles yesterday, in fact, and KZ2 is indeed much more polished!

I will not deny MW2 is a good game, but getting upset about people favoring KZ2 over MW2 is hardly unrealistic for people to do. If I'm going to invest in Black Ops, I want something much more than MW2 already gave me. I don't think that's an unfair analysis on my part, at all!

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dveisalive
Sunday, September 12, 2010 @ 10:54:16 PM
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Treyarch is not IW so dont think dlc will be 15 dolla xD, anyways theyll support the hell out of this game and I believe it. If you go back to WAW that game was way more loaded than MW2 especially with the addition of Zombies.

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Underdog15
Monday, September 13, 2010 @ 10:35:59 AM

Good points!

Personally, I'm sick of zombies, and I definitely hope Black Ops stays away from zombies given the time-line. But you may be correct about Treyarch supporting the game much more.

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BikerSaint
Monday, September 13, 2010 @ 10:27:11 PM
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Well, if Treyarch really thought this out & utilizes it in the right way(rather than Anti-vision trying to hose us again & again), then I think it could work out for everyone involved(except for Gamestop).

Just make sure to include lots of additional single player DLC to along with any extra MP campaigns, and charge us a decent non-gouging price-point for it.

Oh, and don't chop out any sections of game just to give us extra DLC, like some other unscrupulous developers/publishers have done.

That would just make your company smell to high heavens, and become known for creating huge steamy hot piles of pure unadulterated bullsh!t!

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