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Sony Files Patent For Backwards Compatibility Adapter?

The original 60GB PlayStation 3, which launched back in 2006, was fully backwards compatible; i.e., it would run most all PS1 and PS2 games. It was the last model to be able to do so, as over time, Sony moved to partial compatibility for PS2 titles and eventually, removed the feature entirely.

As of now, no PS3 can play PS2 games (although they can all still play PS1 games). Sony has remained firm on the matter, saying almost from the start that over time, backwards compatibility will be less and less desired by fans. While they may be right about that, the fact remains that many PS3 owners wouldn't mind being able to play PS2 titles on their new system. This is why Japanese message boards have exploded overnight due to a recent patent filed by Sony Computer Entertainment Japan. As you can see, it appears to be an external adapter of some kind, that connects a new generation console to a previous generation console. A schematic for the intriguing device shows that it "has its own processor, a DVD decoder/emulator, sound processor, and graphic processor." This could be very big news for the PlayStation family...and has anyone thought about the idea that it might be an adapter for the PS4? So we can play our PS3 games on the new machine?

Don't forget we'll be entering the fifth year of the PS3's lifespan in 2011 and the last two gaps for PlayStations were five and six years respectively- 1995-2000 for the PS1; 2000-2006 for the PS2. True, they say the PS3 has a 10-year life cycle but that doesn't mean they'll stop selling PS3s when they launch the PS4; the PS2 went strong for three full years after the PS3 arrived, giving it a 10-year lifespan as well. But one final note about b/c, from a personal standpoint-

Even if I had kept my old 60GB PS3, I still would've had a PS2 Slim hooked up all the time, on which I'd play any PS1 and PS2 games. The reason is that no matter how good the emulation was on the PS3, there was always something missing; i.e., sound cut-outs in Castlevania: Symphony of the Night. That's just one example. For me, I really don't care if b/c comes back to the PS3; I'll just always have the PS2 ready to go.

Tags: ps3, playstation 3, b/c, backwards compatibility, ps3 bc

9/14/2010 10:31:48 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (75 posts)

Wissam
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 10:49:51 AM
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Super ultra cool if this is true. and if I can access my old save files on my 3 ps2 memory cards
That would be a dream comes to reality.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 10:58:27 AM

Weird thing is you can still create a PS2 memory card and manage your saves on non backwards compatable PS3's.

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Proxy
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 1:03:37 PM

Well they can't remove that option from the OS because there's still PS3s out there that require it.

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bOnEs
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 10:56:25 AM
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an adapter?? ehh, i guess i'll just keep using my first original, still working, fat PS2... i was hoping this patent would come in the form of a system update but, i am not buying a separate component unless it makes the standard def games not look fuzzy on my HD screen... that's the thing i don't like about hooking my PS2 up to the HDTV... it looks really really fuzzy...

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fluffer nutter
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 11:11:19 AM

Exactly why I like playing PS2 games on my PS3 because a PS2 direct connected to my HDTV looks like poop. Poop!

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Jawknee
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 11:14:34 AM

Indeed they do. I've stopped playing my PS2 games on my big LCD screen anyways. They look much better on my first generation, Samsung 32" HDTV Projection TV than they do on my 52" Samsung LCD TV.

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fluffer nutter
Wednesday, September 15, 2010 @ 1:23:43 AM

Try looking at a PS2 game, in a PS2, on a 65" screen. It's Wii-tastic! LOL

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Jawknee
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 11:00:37 AM
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Sounds interesting but I agree with bones. Would rather just have a firmware update so I can just pop my PS2 game into my Slim if that's possible.

Also if this were an adaptor for PS3 to PS4 wouldn't they need a bluray decoder rather than a DVD decoder?

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Highlander
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 12:24:22 PM

If it was possible, they wouldn't be going to the trouble of producing an adapter.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 12:47:29 PM

I suppose, though they can easily sell the adapter. Can't sell a firmware update, or can they? 0.o

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Highlander
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 1:05:23 PM

No but you could make it unlockable only through a PSN download...

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Temjin001
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 11:05:46 AM
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I think it's unlikely Sony will introduce a PS4 before a PSP2. Not that it isn't possible.
I also hope PS4 has more of a 7 year gap from PS3, as we're still seeing a lot of technological breakthroughs on our current hardware. I feel like the PS3 has had something of a performance boost over the last year now that we're seeing more in-house games that harness the Cell processor more effectively: Uncharted 2, GoW3, GT5, Infamous 2 and KZ3 look like games running on higher powered hardware than the norm.

Maybe Sony is planning to drop the PS2-slim and introduce this adapter to smooth over the transition for those gamers who still haven't made the jump to PS3.

If the price is right, I'm game.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 11:38:43 AM
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My release 60gig is still running strong (although I have made updates to the system including a bigger HDD).

I've always had B/C, so as long as it keeps on truckin', I'll be fine!

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Shams
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 11:42:27 AM
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My ps2 games work great on my b/c 60gig sku. It's my ps1 games, like your C:SOTN, that have the sound cut off issues.

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Hezzron
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 11:44:01 AM
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This gizmo sounds like something I'd be interested in. Sony must know BC is greatly desired by their fans. I have a Slim hooked up, but there's a whole convenience factor if it can all be done on the PS3. Please Sony, don't let us and all those Japanese message boarders down!

As far as a PS4....well I kinda feel like the PS3 only REALLY launched with its price drop last year and with the bevy of exclusive games that came out since around that time too. I fear a PS4 launch within the next 2 years or so, would be met with even worse results than the PS3's.

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spiderboi
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 11:44:50 AM
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I wouldn't mind getting an adapter if it lets me play with all my PS2 game goodness. My PS2 died but it died while rendering Big Boss in the underground cave right after the battle with Ocelot, so I'm guessing it died happy.

I'll opt for this thingamajig rather than a new PS2 slim since:
1. I'm a bit low on space to place any additional console
2. Wires wires and tangling wires.

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Deleted User
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 11:45:40 AM
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well if this is true i got one thing to ask didn't they try some thing like this before or i am thinking xbox ? it had to do some thing with memory cards.

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smileylyon
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 1:20:38 PM

There is a PS2/PS1 memory card adapter available. Basically it just lets you copy games saves from the old memory cards to your hard drive.
Had nothing to do with the games, just the save files!

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Deleted User
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 1:47:09 PM

@smileylyon oh thanks, thats what i was thinking of then.

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main_event05
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 11:51:58 AM
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Agreed with the emulation errors Ben. Ever tried to play Silent Hill?



2 MORE DAYS TILL TGS!!!

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Arvis
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 11:52:16 AM
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Hey, how about a PSP game adapter for the PS3? THAT would friggin AWESOME.

-Arvis

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Mystearica
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 11:55:39 AM
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Wait I'm confused... so you still have to hook it up to your old gen console right? So what's the point? Couldn't you just play the games on your PS2 then.... maybe I'm reading this wrong (sorry my brain is foggy from studying for my boards)

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Simcoe
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 12:15:26 PM
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Does USB 2 have enough bandwidth to send this data to the PS3?

How processed would this data be; would some processes, other than video output, need to be handled by the ps3?

Would you still be able to access the XMB while playing PS2 games?

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Highlander
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 12:36:43 PM

Definitely. USB 2.0 is spec'd at 480Mbits/second. It's not bi-directional, so there needs to be a protocol for talking to the device. However you can still get data rates better than 40 MBytes/second. I'm not sure that the DVD drive in a PS2 is more than 4x speed (actually, I think it's slower than that), so it's maximum data rate is 5MBytes/second or less leaving plenty of room for all the other data required even using only one USB (2.0) port.

I guess if the worst came to the worst they could use both ports at once one in and one out, and then provide an additional port or two on the front side of the adapter to replicate the USB ports in a pass-through mode when not running PS2 software.

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Simcoe
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 1:28:32 PM

I guess I was wondering what kind of data rate an HDMI port transmits with regards to a 480p video stream, and if it was possible with just a USB 2 port. I found 270 Mb/s being reported for a 480p signal but not sure at what frame rate, so it would seem feasible with a USB 2 port.

Again, I suppose it all depends on just how much this adaptor would be doing versus the ps3 unit itself.

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Highlander
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 2:51:21 PM

I guess it depends on how they handle the video data, and as you say, how much the PS3 is doing.

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Highlander
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 12:24:09 PM
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Nice. This is a good thing. People with older PS2s but a decent PS2 collection will enjoy this. Plus if the PS3 can do some nice upscaling tricks on the images, the games will look good, even on a larger HDTV.

I know that people are wondering why an adapter instead of software. Really and truly emulating the PS2 is extremely difficult, even for a piece of hardware as capable as the PS3. The GPU in the PS2 had some extremely wide data buses that allowed the processor to move data within itself at higher data rates than can be achieved within an emulator on the PS3.

The PS2's GPU had 4MB of embedded DRAM, it was capable transferring data to and from the eDRAM at 19.2 GBytes per second. However as this was fully duplexed, transfers in both directions were possible, meaning that the full bandwidth of the eDRAM inside the GS is 38.4 Gigabytes per Second. That is higher than the bandwidth of the RSX or Cell - even with the XDR memory. The only memory in the PS3 that can be accessed with that kind of bandwidth is actually the local store of the SPEs, but even taken together the 256K B of each SPE totals only 1.5MB for the six active SPEs.

Without emulating the GS at a high level and effectively reworking every game, there is no way to provide software only backwards compatibility. Even when Sony removed the Emotion engine from the original PS3 models and added partial software emulation for PS2 games, the PS2's Graphics Synthesizer hardware was still present on the PS3 motherboard.

Once that extra piece of hardware was removed with the 40GB systems and all the ones that followed (including the slim), there was no chance of PS2 backwards compatibility on the PS3 short of reworking every game, or releasing some kind of USB adapter.

It's nice that they are bringing an adapter though, I'm kind of expecting it to be a single chip PS2 that plugs into one USB port. The bandwidth of USB2 is more than sufficient to take the DVD data feed from the optical drive on the PS3 and still leave plenty of room for controller signals and other IO related data plus the video stream for game output to be sent back. This could be a great thing. Plus, they may use a PSN based software update to enable the device, it might not even come with firmware. This way Sony could tailor the firmware and PS3 software client to allow PSN downloadable PS2 games to work from the HDD is they wish.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 12:40:54 PM

Okay, Highlander. Where do you get all this information? It's not that I'm doubting what you're saying--because it sounds legit enough. I'm just curious as to how you're so informed.

Maybe that KOS-MOS avatar of yours eludes to the fact that you're actually a cyborg, robot, AI, GW something.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 1:00:30 PM

"Maybe that KOS-MOS avatar of yours eludes to the fact that you're actually a cyborg, robot, AI, GW something."


HAHAHA! Wouldn't doubt it.

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Highlander
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 1:07:33 PM

@Temjin,

I'm a hardware geek. PS2 emulation/backwards compatibility was something I was interested in when Sony first started removing the hardware from the PS3 line. So I did some research way back. The information is available from various sources. But the gist is that the GPU in the PS2 was a remarkable piece of hardware.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 1:09:45 PM

Cool, well maybe you should pursue a career in computer hardware engineering. Who knows? Maybe you'll help Sony design processing technology for future PS products =)

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Temjin001
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 1:20:19 PM

Something, too, Highlander. If PS2 has this specialized processing, then how come games like GoW, Sly Cooper, and this future Ico/SotC collection can run effortlessly at 720p+AA with increased frame rates. I know there's a difference between emulating and processing. But if these games were programmed to begin with using a bandwidth that exceeds a single area for PS3 then how come we see these HD-remakes not only meeting but vastly exceeding what we've seen on PS2?

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Highlander
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 2:53:17 PM

Those remastered games are essentially ports to the PS3 architecture. The same things that the GS could do running at 150Mhz, are accomplished in different manner by RSX running at 500MHz. It just comes down to the way in which the hardware engineers tackled the design.

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NazzyQ
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 12:47:37 PM
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I reckon Sony should put PS2 games up for download on PSN. It would be great for someone like me who's trying to hunt down all those PS2 classics ( seriously, Shadow of the Colossus is really hard to find cheap in the UK. Copies of the game sell for about £50( $90!) on eBay). But then again, Sony probably makes more money on these 'HD collections.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 12:59:46 PM

I looked it up and you're right copies are going for $90. That's crazy.

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sawao_yamanaka
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 12:59:54 PM

@nazzy

I bought mine from amazon for $15 new. Good investment.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 1:01:27 PM

He lives in the UK, he needs a PAL version of the game.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 5:27:59 PM

Wow, that's insane.
Gamestops here in the US sell it used for only $20 & I usually seem 3 or 4 copies of it, but they're bound to jack the price up as it starts to get scarcer.

And, they're still selling the much harder-to-find ICO used for a whopping $39.99, damn them!

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 12:58:37 PM
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I don't really care either way on this. Though I must say when it comes to the PS4 I'd much rather have a console with next gen graphics for an affordable price than a next gen system with last gen compatibility for a higher price.

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gumbi
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 1:21:40 PM
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Am I the only one who thinks a PS2-PS3 adapter is a straight up dumb idea? Why the hell would I buy, and hook up an adapter to my PS3 to play PS2 games when I have a perfectly good PS2 right next to it. I think most people who have PS2 games have a PS2.

This totally defeats the purpose of backwards compatibility. The whole appeal of backwards compatibility is so you have fewer devices. One machine that does it all. I don't want to plug a sidekick into my PS3 to play PS2 games on it. My PS3 already has a little sidekick that does just that, A PS2!

I hope this patent is for something else. Something useful. Sorry guys, I just don't see the point.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 1:55:24 PM

Some people don't like wires. The main reason I don't play my PS2 anymore is because I have to sit closer to the TV than I do when I play my Ps3. Wireles Duelshock 3 owns the 2 in my opinion.

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gumbi
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 2:28:35 PM

Alright, let me eat a few words. If and that's a big IF, Sony can design this thing like highlander suggests above (a small single chip PS2) that's no bigger than say... a rockband USB dongle. Then I can see the appeal. Hell, I might even get one. I just don't want something that'll take up shelf space beside my PS3 when my PS2 already does this.

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Lawless SXE
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 1:34:57 PM
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Well, I barely use my PS2 compatibility anyway, but it's nice to have it. I think that this would be a very nice gift to all of Sony's loyal customers that still want to play PS2 games on the 3. The problem would be the price point. Best for Sony to keep it as low as possible, as the PS2 is available for next to nothing nowadays, otherwise people would feel cheapened.
Peace.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 1:56:28 PM

I only use it less out of fear that my refurbed 60gb will croak again.

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NazzyQ
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 1:39:16 PM
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I appreciate the help guys. I just hope that the rumored Team Ico collection makes it way to the Uk. The GOw collection arrived here a full 6 months after it hit the US. I hope history doesn't repeat itself!

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Amazingskillz
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 2:23:26 PM
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Here's a position that I'm sure everyone here will think I'm crazy for. I hate to go against the grain but: I couldn't care less about backwards compatibility. The only game I would want to go back and play is GTA San Andreas. Right after I got CJ's brother out of jail and was taking over territory I almost finished the game before my PS2 completely burned out. I never finished it and I'm a completionist. Aside from that I could care less about backwards compatibility. I like devouring hot new titles and then moving on to the next one. I feel like playing old games I've completed is a waste of time. Especially since games absorb so much time. Some things to me within the world of gaming are just not important. Like Trophies. I couldn't care less about getting a Trophy. In fact, I find it annoying when they pop up on the screen. It takes away from the game and brings you back to reality. Just destroys the immersion in my opinion. I wish I knew how to stop the trophy achievments from popping up on screen. Anyway, I just want to go forward in my gaming journey and not backwards. They can keep the adaptor. I guess I'm different.

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telly
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 2:28:02 PM

There are a number of games from PS2 that, in my opinion, really have stood up well over the years, even compared to the gorgeous games of the current generation. BC would ensure everyone can keep playing the games that are worth revisiting. But I agree, there's so much great new stuff out there, it's not like I'd actually want to use my gaming hours playing the same old stuff over and over and over again.

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telly
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 2:25:21 PM
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backwards compatability would be nice, but honestly, I still have my PS2 hooked up and it looks terrific on my 40", 1080p, Sony Bravia XBR4. It's no biggie at all to bust out the PS2 controller and flip over to component out 1 when I want to play God of War 2 or Metal Gear Solid 3. And whenever this PS2 finally conks out (I have had this thing at LEAST eight years at this point and it still runs like a dream!) I'll just pick up a slim version. BC would be convenient, but it's not a HUGE deal for me.

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faraga
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 2:32:55 PM
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If this will go on sale I WILL buy it.

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RebelJD
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 2:38:53 PM
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Add-on hardware that actually makes the Playstation more versatile. I'm all for it.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 3:02:35 PM
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Yeah this makes no sense. None.

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Alienange
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 3:07:19 PM
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It looks like the answer to most questions lies in what exactly the 300 is in that first diagram.

If I could only read Japanese.

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Highlander
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 4:12:54 PM

LOL! I know! I used Google translate, and despite the work that has gone into that, it still produces very broken translations.

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Gone
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 3:39:15 PM
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If it's under $50 and makes games look better on a HDTV, I will buy it.

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Highlander
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 4:07:00 PM

When I put a PS2 game into my old b/c PS3, the games do look better. As long as any PS2 adapter that comes along can match that performance at least, people will be happy with what they see.

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NazzyQ
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 4:18:08 PM
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@ I Am The Stig. Since the Stig has been revealed as some guy called Ben Collins, isn't your username redundant now? :). Sorry, couldn't help myself

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Gone
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 6:45:45 PM

Yes I know Ben Collins revealed himself as The Stig. My avatar and user name is suppose to be a joke, because out of the five Stigs, you can't tell which one is The Stig.

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Simcoe
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 7:28:38 PM

So what you're saying is that you're not Ben Collins either? ;-)

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The CEO
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 4:35:01 PM
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It better be dirt cheap considering the fact a PS2 is only 100 bucks. I dont care anyways I still have 60 gig launch console.

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Highlander
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 5:00:21 PM

Ah, but, if there was a PS2 adapter that cost $50 or so, and was permanently linked to your PS3 you wouldn't have to have all those extra wires, (power, video, controller, network) floating around. All you'd need is your PS3 and the adapter. For any PS3 owner with an old model PS2, a decent PS2 library, or who sees PS2 games they still want to play, such a device could be ideal.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 5:43:37 PM
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If it's a PS2 BC adapter, I'll buy it ASAP, cause I wouldn't mind packing away my fattie & slim PS2's for safekeeping.

HMMMMM, maybe it's not a PS2 adapter at all,
If it's not, then I'm thinking that it could very well be a adapter for the Sega Dreamcast, Saturn, &/or Genesis, especially seeing how Sony & Sega both previously stated that Sega's older titles will be on the PS3.

But since I'm not-tech savvy, my Sega thoughts above might wind up being nothing more than a short, but moderate, case of brain gas.

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Him
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 6:07:13 PM
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Or you can just include it built-in like it did, and should always be.....

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 6:50:49 PM

Him,

Not sure if that was directed at me or not, so is it was, here goes....

I already own a "built-in" B/C 60Gigger, and two PS2's(black fattie & white Slim), along with 17 other consoles & hand-helds.

Why? I'm a gaming collector!



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Him
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 10:21:14 PM

I wish I had the 60gb. I have the 80gb version w/ software emulation. Its not fair cause I cant play Battlefront 2 on it(love that game). But at least I can play all Metal Gear games.

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playSTATION
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 6:20:29 PM
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i still am using the original fat 60gb ps3 and occasionally i do pop in some of my ps2/1 games. only prob is i gotta upgrade the hard drive soon.

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t4_robz
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 9:15:34 PM
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the only reason why i want to be able to play Ps2 games is so that i can play Gran Turismo 4 while i wait for Gran Turismo 5... but oh well by the time this adapter comes out GT5 will probably already be out!

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SnipeySnake
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 10:36:38 PM
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I'll buy it if 1. Its cheaper than 30$, 2. Its the size of a usb drive.

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Nerull
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 @ 11:51:58 PM
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I haven't played ps2 games in quite a while now, last one was Blood Omen 2, but thankfully my 80g is still alive.
Even though the best games don't run well at all without the emotion engine; gow,gta's,etc, and technically I think my fatty ps2 is still mostly alive. Pretty good after me fixing its laser alignment about a dozen times after the warranty ran out.

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Robochic
Wednesday, September 15, 2010 @ 1:58:20 AM
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Once I have my fat princess fixed then i'll play Ps2 games again, but playing a ps2 game on a ps2 on a 42inch bravia is craptacular sound is weak, picture is stretched horribly man can't wait for a new ps3 for now then i'll fix the 20gigger after christmas.

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___________
Wednesday, September 15, 2010 @ 4:45:08 AM
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whats the point?
id much rather have PS2 collections than BC comparability!
at least that way we get our PS2 games retrofitted for HD AND trophy support!
sure you have to buy the game again, but so what?
there cheaper than ps3 games, and allot of ps2 games are far worth the price!
id kill for a R&C collection!

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Highlander
Wednesday, September 15, 2010 @ 11:14:55 AM

A R&C collection in HD makes so much sense I'm actually shocked that we haven't already heard of it being done.

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___________
Thursday, September 16, 2010 @ 8:24:22 AM

ill personally fly to insomniac and beg ted price to make if it meant we would get it!

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JROD0823
Wednesday, September 15, 2010 @ 1:00:38 PM
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I could care less about any adaptor that comes out. I just don't get why everyone wants to make such a big deal about B/C in the first place. I'm sure everyone (well most everyone) has a PS2 and a SD tube tv. Why not just use it and the tube tv and stop whining that the PS3 isn't B/C? When the PS4 comes out, I'm sure PS2 classics will be available to download from the Playstation Store. I'm all for HD remastered game collections. I've been really excited since the Sly Cooper and ICO/SotC collections has been announced (yay!). Hopefully more collections will be announced soon.

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ChloeAngelCat
Wednesday, September 15, 2010 @ 11:36:41 PM
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This is good news if its true and hopefully
the new adapter be out sometime next year?

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PaiNT_kinG
Thursday, September 16, 2010 @ 2:05:40 AM
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i have the 60GB so i'm good ^_-

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