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SCEA: Unlike One Of Our Competitors, We Don't Rely On Shooters

Normally, Sony keeps to themselves. After reading comments and press releases from Sony executives for almost four years, I rarely see them mention the competition.

But every once in a while, it's nice to buck the trend. SCEA Senior Vice President of Marketing Peter Dille took a subtle jab at Microsoft during an interview with The[A]ListDaily, and his comment is bound to incite some arguments. There's no denying that shooters are big and if one were to compare the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 lineup - especially concerning exclusives - one might conclude that Microsoft's library is...well, pretty heavily inundated with one particular genre. And recently, Microsoft UK boss Neil Thompson told CVG they want even more shooters. All of this may have prompted Dille's comment:

"We've never been reliant on one product genre like one of our competitors.

[Sony has] titles ranging from Killzone to EyePet. PlayStation is a very big tent and ... it's helped us sell 377 million PlayStation hardware products and two billion software products in 15 years."

That first sentence right there is incendiary in nature, no doubt. But is it true? Well, it isn't difficult to compare the top titles lists for both consoles; we'll leave that to you. Sony continues to close on Microsoft in the worldwide sales tally, although new releases like Halo: Reach will temporarily prevent the gap from closing entirely. Then again, Reach is...well, what Dille said.

Tags: sony, microsoft, scea, playstation, xbox

9/18/2010 12:13:21 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (141 posts)

Jawknee
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:30:10 PM
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Haha Yes!!! and this is why we love you SCEA.

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SayWord
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:34:33 PM

Couldn't say it better myself Jawknee. :p

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maxpontiac
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:26:08 PM

And why I don't play the 360

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Killa Tequilla
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 2:07:31 PM

This is why you buy a Playstation 3, Variety.

Anyways, I got Move yesterday! Its so awesome guys so awesome! Anyway I was wondering there will be a Move patch for Heavy Rain on sep 22nd for North America, correct? I bought Heavy Rain and wont play it till the Patch or update... I havent played HR before...

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kevinater321
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 2:15:58 PM

I'm not sure when the patch arrives but you my friend, are in for a treat.

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Killa Tequilla
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 3:39:29 PM

What do you mean by that kevinater321 ?

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Orvisman
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:02:47 PM

I think he means you are going to love HR.

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shadowpal2
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 6:00:06 PM

And this is why I think the PlayStation 2 is still the best console on the face of the planet even with all the amazing games on PS3.

VARIETY and the MASSIVE LIBRARY.

I mean think about it, wouldn't a PS2 still be a great christmas present? I mean think about a family who couldn't be able to afford much...but a used slim ps2 for $50 or so. And then all the fantastic games in the library. A MYRIAD of RPGs, Action & Adventure, Shooters, Hack & Slash Racing, Sports, and what more do you want?

It's just a fantastic buy.

I know that the PS3 will soon be just like the PS2 in that regard, especially with its different exclusives.

Heavy Rain. Killzone 2/3. Resistance 1/2/3. God of War III. Uncharted 1/2. Metal Gear Solid 4. Yakuza 3/4/Of the End. Disgaea 3 (I've played it for just an hour...and I LOVED IT). Valkyria Chronicles (sure wish 3 came out on this).

AND GRAN TURISMO 5 ladies and gentlemen - GRAN TURISMO F***ING 5!

And of course so much more - inFamous, Demon Souls, and the list just continues.

It'll gradually grow and be like or even better than its predecessor.

As for now in my personal honest opinion, I don't think it's there yet. PS2 4ever!

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to_far_apart
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 7:47:37 PM

Now that is no jab, that's a freaking knockout.

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LimitedVertigo
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:31:50 PM
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I'm sure glad they don't rely on one genre, especially FPS, or I wouldn't own a PS3. Now if it was JRPGs....well that's a different story, I'd probably own three.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:51:17 PM

HA. Me too.

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Jawknee
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:55:28 PM

Even without a plethora of JRPG's you own two. :)

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maxpontiac
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:27:31 PM

Man, do I agree with that...

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STAY3R
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 2:33:46 PM

aha! nothing beats jappy rpgs (mass effect excption), agree with u mate

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LimitedVertigo
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 2:41:34 PM

NANANANANA Downvoters! NANANANANA Kiss My A$$

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laksh
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:33:04 PM

just out of interest do alot of ppl actually own more than one ps3, just wondering why? or is it figure of speech? is it for different rooms? That should be a poll question actually.
I mean i understand why ppl may want more than 1 360 if its their main console cos of their award winning reliability.

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booze925
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:48:30 PM

so STAY3R can say jap, but i can't?
ill be using that word more frequently from now on

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LimitedVertigo
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 7:20:27 PM

I own two, an original 60gig fatty and a Slim.

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to_far_apart
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 7:48:11 PM

Own 1, the original fatty.

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fluffer nutter
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 9:20:47 PM

I own four PS3's. One for each monitor.

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Highlander
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 11:14:17 PM

I *do* own three....

Variety is the spice of life. We have three because I game, my wife got hooked on JRPGs and then Burnout Paradise and Civilization Revolutions and so now she has her own PS3. My son is in his teens and - surprise - likes video games so he has a PS3 for his games. Then there are the two, soon to be three PSPs...

If Sony were to behave like A. N. Other gaming company and rely heavily on shooters, I might have a PS3 and PSP, but the family would have gone elsewhere. Sony has always had a very broad audience and knows that is a virtue because it drives major sales.

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Jawknee
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 4:14:30 AM

I own two. I bought a 60gb less than a year after it was released. It broke 3 years later, then the slim came out so I ought one of those. Then I got my 60gb fixed. So I mostly use my Slim for gaming and my 60gb for Netflix in the bedroom.

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Orvisman
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 7:50:09 AM

I own 4 Ps3s two slims (120, 320), a 60G original, and a 20G Japansese

I also own a 360 Squat, a 250G Elite, and Japanese Arcade.

I own 1 U.S. Wii and 1 Japanese Wii.

The same can be written for past gens.

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kevinater321
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:32:31 PM
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Soo true, and that is why i will never play/love my xbox nearly as much as my ps3.

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StangMan80
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:38:17 PM
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PS3! I like shooters but I like different genres too, you don't have that choice if you own a 360.

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StangMan80
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:39:13 PM

"Gaming is a lot more then just head shots."

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bigrailer19
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:28:37 PM

I like headshots! I like all genres, in fact right now im trying out the eye pet demo for the move, pretty neat actually.

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maxpontiac
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:29:38 PM

It's also playing Move with the family...

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Shams
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:46:05 PM
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The variety in genres not only opens up different gamer demographics, based on age-group, genre-interest, possibly gende,r etc, but different parts of the world. Japanese, for instance, are more into Fighters and RPG's than FPS.

So variety, in the long run is good. I'd rather have 2 killzones, 2 Uncharteds, 2 LBP's, 2 MotorStorms, 2 inFamouses, and a Demon's Souls, than 4 Halo iterations, 3 Gears, and an an Alan Wake.

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Underdog15
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 8:20:47 AM

The cool thing is, you left out lots of titles on the PS3 side of things. lol

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Shams
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 1:17:50 PM

...Gran Turismo 5; Legendary Guardian; God of War 3; MG4; Resistance 1, 2 and 3; R&C:FTOD, R&C:ACIT; Heavy Rain; War Hawk; Wipeout HD/Fury and these are just our exclusives, right?

Quality over quantity, any day, but Sony's got Quality with quantity.

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Temjin001
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:49:57 PM
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I still believe to this day that nearly all of Xbox's success was founded on Halo and Live alone. As two synergistic catalysts, they attracted many other 3rd party devs to try and horizontally expand the 360 market with marginal success. Look at the 360 dashboard right now: Reach news is in dang near every advertising pane.

Needless to say, I have major respect for Bungie and Halo, and it's got to feel unbelievably gratifying for them to know that their product has carried a whole sub-culture of gamer for so many years. So much so that gamers were willing to survive the whole RRoD catastrophe, service fees, and a pre-mature system launch to take part in all of it.

I find what's pretty interesting is that despite 360's notoriety with shooters. Sony has actually put out a ton of quality exclusive shooters onto the market to compete: KZ, Resistance, Warhawk, SOCOM, even Uncharted 2 is 3/4 shooter(especially online) even Ratchet is largely shooter--I think of it as one anyway. That's a pretty heavy line-up to against MS's more popular heavy weights. Halo, Gears, LfD, and PD(not so popular anymore, another defunct MS franchise it seems)

So, really, despite MS's image, Sony has arguably an as good if not more forward thinking shooter genre than even MS. And despite that, Sony can safely invest big budgets into diverse games that aren't so risky because of a market that isn't so heavily polarized in genre interests.



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Jawknee
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:53:45 PM

I agree. Without Halo or LIVE MS would be toast.

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bigrailer19
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:27:36 PM

I agree to. IT would be hard for the xbox to have its success without that game. But it does have quite a few games id like to play still.

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Temjin001
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:58:09 PM

No doubt about that, Bigrailer; the 360 has had a number of good games over the years(many of which have eventually appeared on PS3). And for around $150 a person can buy into a 360 and get a shot at many discounted titles for real low prices (Mass Effect for $15, Gears+Gears2 for $30 isn't bad etc).

But without Halo and Live I think it'd be safe to assume that the XBox would've performed even worse than the Gamecube, and they probably wouldn't have attracted as much 3rd party support because of it.

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NoSmokingBandit
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 3:18:49 PM

I agree, and this makes me wonder what will happen next generation. Bungie isnt working on Halo any more, so expect the franchise to start sucking horribly (any studio transition causes games to suck, look at Spyro).
So without Halo pushing the 360, we are left with Live. Will people really buy another console that requires a fee to play online? People were uncertain about PSN early this generation, and rightfully so, but the gap between PSN and XBL is so narrow that $50/yr, sorry now $60/yr is just an insult from MS.

So assuming that the consoles launch in the same year, I dont have high hopes for MS next generation. Maybe they'll rush through R&D again to get a year head start, but they are really going to have to step up their first-party support. Sony has amazing first-party studios, MS only has a few worth mentioning.

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Temjin001
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:04:55 PM

I think Bungie's departure from Halo is an indicator that they've done all they can do with their baby. Going forward, pumping out more and more Halo sequels better serves MS's own marketing agenda and their iconic Halo presence than it does to satisfy the creative desires of a fine development team.

But I would argue that MS knows the tremendous value and importance of their Halo franchise and they will do everything in their power to hand pick experienced talent to form their future core Halo games. As to whether, or not, this new team will have what it takes to keep the series from feeling played out--if it hasn't already--will be interesting to see.


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Lawless SXE
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:13:21 PM

Bandit,
To say that a studio transition will destroy a game isn't a guarantee. Sure, history pretty much dictates that it will, but in the case of Halo, one of the lead members of Bungie has stayed at Microsoft and signed onto 343 Industries. He did this in order to try to maintain the quality of the games. Besides, you know Xbots would have purchased The Last Rebellion if it had had the Halo name slapped on it.
Peace.

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Jawknee
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:52:57 PM
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My friend who only played Xbox, but now only plays his PS3 was saying this very thing the other day.

"why doesn't anyone else make excellent adventure games like God of War, uncharted 2, ratchet and clank etc. All MS offers is shooters."

He also said he won't be getting the new Halo because he won't pay LIVE and figures the campaign will be very short. He's finally seeing the bluray light.

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bigrailer19
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:26:55 PM

your friend is bright!

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maxpontiac
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:31:29 PM

I like this friend. Tell him to add me on the PSN.

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Jawknee
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 2:17:41 PM

Ha k, I'll let him know.

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slimey
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:54:25 PM
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it's all a matter of personal taste, but the variety of styls and genres on Playstation does it for me. I don't like FPS, so not fussed over Halo. Gears of War does look fun, but Uncharted appeals more

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Yukian
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:00:26 PM
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I just imagined someone from MS saying "um... uhh... YO MAMA!"

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FxTales
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 8:27:47 PM

That's ok because we would have already responded with "BAZINGA!"

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fstop
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 9:36:42 PM

To Mell,
I had to come on and say that you have THE BEST F**KIN' AVATAR PIC!!!! LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT!

Oh and to stay on topic, I agree with everyone who says the Xbox would not have survived without Live or Halo. But that's a good thing and I give them that, they have changed the face of gaming in their own way just like Sony did when they came around. I don't play my Xbox as much but I do love the exclusives they have just like I'm sure Xbots would love some of our classic, beautifully crafted pieces of art.
I may own an MS machine but my heart is with Sony all the way, simply because they make quality I can't get anywhere else.

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SixSpeedKing
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:13:11 PM
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Haha I wonder what, if anything, MS will respond with considering it's the truth.

And @Yukian Lol awesome dude. Just what I was thinking.

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FxTales
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 9:58:11 PM

Thanks fstop, I only found it by chance but I just loved it that much I had to have it.

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fstop
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 12:26:20 AM

I completely...it's The Major after all ; )

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Deleted User
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:13:42 PM
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yawn. more flame bait from ben. slow news today ben ?

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Jawknee
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:18:48 PM

Yawn, another pointless comment from you, slow brain day?

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bigrailer19
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:25:23 PM

Don't listen to Jawknee hes always right! ;)

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LimitedVertigo
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:35:18 PM

To be fair Sony started it! Ben's just reporting on it.... :)

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maxpontiac
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:35:43 PM

I don't know if you have been keeping up with current events here, but the community at PSX is generally pro-Playstation, so your comment makes zero sense.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:43:52 PM

Shut it. I hate that accusation. SONY said it in an INTERVIEW.

It's called NEWS.

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Deleted User [Administrator]
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:47:14 PM

@maxpontiac: well thats the differents with vs the PSX community there Pro-playstation while i am Pro-owning both systems and enjoing all games.

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Deleted User [Administrator]
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:55:03 PM

as I look through my 360 collection heres what i have 7 games
Halo Reach
Alan Wake
Left 4 Dead 2
Mass Effect 1&2
Splinter Cell Conviction
Fable 2
i won't bother to post my Ps3 collection some of u a ready know

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Temjin001
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 2:06:17 PM

And those are all good games, infamousgod. But maybe rather than pigeonholing Ben's post into a flame-bait category, recognize that the PS community is well aware of the distinctly different audiences these platforms can attract. Sony's comments harmonizes with those who have consciously selected the PS3 as their platform of choice. There really is no denying the majorly influential role that shooters, particularly Halo, has played in defining the existence of Xbox.

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Jawknee
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 2:07:07 PM

Yes we know, your an "equal opportunity gamer." you remind us everytime you attempt to troll and fail.

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bigrailer19
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 2:17:41 PM

"Equal opportunity gamer", I like that!

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LimitedVertigo
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 2:29:49 PM

I'm not racist, I have a black friend!

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Underdog15
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 8:29:32 AM

@infamousGod

And what genre do all those titles fall under in your XBOX collection, aside from Fable, the watered down Demon's Souls?

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maxpontiac
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 12:19:03 PM

Theinfamousgod -

I understand now. You took it as flame bait.

Why is that?

All Ben did is report news that he felt (correctly mind you) the community here would like to read.

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bigrailer19
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:24:51 PM
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This is dumb. Im sure there is something more important going on.

Im kinda tired of all the FPS hate. Its really annoying. I see that when people ask why there isnt more FPS news here, theres a reason, and that reason is, its the minority around here. ok Thats not a great reason considering theres still tons of readers that share that interest but its still a reason. But when Sony says something like this or theres news regarding the failures of an FPS its all of a sudden important, or at least enough to post about.

Im just venting because well, this is really the only site I visit normally and when someone like myself who enjoys all games gets set aside because of game genre issues its unsettling.

Nevertheless, Sony has never relied on one genre ever, this is something we've known, why would that change now!

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MadPowerBomber
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:32:00 PM

Eh, it's not just FPS games. Fighters get shot down left and right here, too, so the news is done sparingly.

Most of the news I find on fighting games is either through specific twitter accounts or Fighter's Generation, and that's pretty sad.

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Jawknee
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:34:43 PM

FPS are fine and there is nothing wrong with liking them but when a market is so over saturated with them why wouldn't people get a little tired of it?

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maxpontiac
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:39:29 PM

Hey, I like my FPS, but Sony is justified in making this statement, and so is Ben for that matter. I for one like this article!!

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bigrailer19
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:43:31 PM

Thats a good response! And I can see why people would get tired of them.

Problem is for me, they are so damn fun!

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bigrailer19
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:45:05 PM

my response wasn't directly at Ben or the article. It was more towards the hate of FPS in general. But again we all know this. Sony prides on variety.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:45:08 PM

No clue what you're talking about. Want a list of all the FPS-related articles we've posted just this year? I think there are hundreds, including Killzone, Resistance, Call of Duty, etc.

Don't make silly assumptions that we somehow avoid FPS news. That's just ridiculous; do the research.

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Xombito
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:47:35 PM

Your not alone brother. I love shooters. I play MW2, KZ2 and whatever looks cool to me. That's my preference. I don't have the patience or the time for RPGs. But I don't want to JUST play shooters. That's why I love the diversity of the PS3's line-up. If don't feel like blasting away at something I can just relax and play something else.

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bigrailer19
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 2:04:29 PM

Basically Ben I'm referring to what you said a few articles back about COD and MP, where you sated to a reader that "they don't go over well round these parts" and that news centered around it, "isn't that interesting".

But yet this article, something we've grown to know and come accustomed to somehow is? Im not sayings its not a good article, most all of what is written here obviously has intelligence in it. But what does this prove?

And Ben I've been round for quite sometime. I keep coming back cus I liek all genres, everything about gaming. I dont need to do research I know what FPS articles pop up. I know the majority of them are KZ and Resistance oriented. Im not blind to any of that. My point is not to undermind you or the site, its that FPS doesn't go over well, and this article just adds fuel!

I dont care to argue about it, But I'd like people to know where I'm coming from in all this and not take it the wrong way.


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GuardianMode
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 2:29:23 PM

Also look at the bigger picture. FPSs are the defining reason that the 360 is the platform of shooters. With little to no 1st party support MS must use its unlimited supply of money to secure 3rd party exclusives.

The statement is not flaming if its true. Now that Bungie is gone and Halo:Reach underperforming (MS refuses to release the total numbers sold compared to Halo 3 release). FPS are now more important to the 360s continued existence . That in a nutshell is the 360s greatest strength and fatal weakness.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 5:36:32 PM

bigrailer, you're not really making any point. No, we won't be putting up an article about every single map pack and all its details for Black Ops. But we'll certainly cover the game.

On top of which, if we didn't cover this particular story, we'd probably be the only major site NOT to take notice. It's news. Sony said it. What do you want?

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thj_1980
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:44:03 PM
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It's true that FPS is a very big genre, but what happens if a game system doesn't have FPS titles?
Without FPS the ps3 probably won't have a quarter the sales as it does today without games like COD bringing sales up for it. Todays teens are playing cod on Xbox 360 and PS3 Xbox 360: Simply because it's more popular.
PS3: The online is free.

Just that reason alone people a buy a ps3 to play cod. However Microsoft does generate a lot more than just FPS for sales. Fable II, Forza 3, and many more generate a massive number sales for xbox 360 as well.

Microsoft could easily say that PS3 relies on sport games as well as we all know that sport games are better on ps3 like golf and baseball.

Today's top genres has to be in order

1. FPS

2. Sports

3. RPG

Xbox 360 pretty much as the playing field for FPS. Halo, Call of duty, gears of war.
PS3 has Killzone, Battlefield, Resistance.

Sports is a win-win for the ps3 as xbox dosen't come close to what we got.
PS3: Tiger woods, MLB the Show, Soccer,
Xbox 360 : Some basketball games and a bit of NFL

RPG:
It's a kinda tie but ps3 got the slight advantage

PS3: Demon's Soul and Final Fantasy XIII
Xbox 360: Fallout 3, Fable II

Th PS3 has a grasp on every genre while the XBOX 360 focuses on FPS first before anything else.

I am pro PS3 but I just wan to let everyone know that XBOX 360 does have other games too besides FPS. GEZZ today's market is filled with FPS.

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tes37
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:51:06 PM
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This is funny. I love it when people aren't afraid to speak the truth. Good job Sony.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 3:07:58 PM

The truth is the truth, can't mess with it!

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Shams
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:03:20 PM

Yes, i have more respect for those who can actually speak up, than for those who can only thumb-down.

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mexgeo86
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:56:38 PM
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Great comment by SCEA. In the words of Michael Scott "BOOM ROASTED!"

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Kai200X
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 2:32:03 PM
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Zing! Did I use it right?

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Scarecrow
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 3:14:16 PM
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Damn right! SCEA is where it's at!

The Last Guardian really speaks volumes to what kind of brand Playstation is.

It's where everyone is invited to experiences all the kinds of games that are possible. And not average quality, high quality experiences.

November 2nd = best racing game ever.

That's what has always been great 'bout Playstation. Ps1 is a testament to that, just look at the variety of great games that console had. Castlevania, Spyro, Silent Hill, Cool Boarders, Legend of Dragoon. Yeah that's what you call quality gaming.

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A2K78
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 3:45:56 PM
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Sony might not be reliant on shooters, but its obvious they have been far too reliant on sequels and far little originality. If anything I would like to see them go back to the originality or the early Psone and PS2 days.

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Temjin001
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:14:31 PM

... man, you really know how to set yourself up for a beat down.

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Lawless SXE
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:25:09 PM

What? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it has always been a case of establishing new IPs out of the gate and then sequelising them. How about you look at the number of Sony exclusive new IPs this generation. Demon's Souls, inFamous, Resistance, Motorstorm, LBP, Uncharted, Valkyria Chronicles, Heavy Rain, Heavenly Sword, Haze, Lair, Folklore (I'm getting to the dregs here.) The sequelising is important in that once it is established, it becomes a money grab.

The difference I think in the previous generations was that Sony ruled, and so there were a lot more third-party exclusives, and as such, more variety and daring from the developers. Still Sonys competitors rely on sequels far more than Sony: Halo, Gears, Mario, Zelda, among others. And the biggest complaint is that these are from earlier generations, and so even less original than Sonys sequels. I've said enough.
Peace.

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Temjin001
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:30:07 PM

I think Sony has done more to define quality fresh games in the past nearly 4 years than before.

Infamous, Uncharted, Motorstorm, Heavy Rain, Resistance, LBP, Modnation Racers have all been introduced this gen and all have strong critical acclaim. In fact, two of which have earned numerous GotY awards.

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bigrailer19
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:31:28 PM

That comment is ugly!

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Temjin001
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:37:02 PM

I also forgot to list MAG. Which from what I've read has evolved into a higher quality game of it's kind.

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Orvisman
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:50:24 PM

"...but its obvious they have been far too reliant on sequels and far little originality."

Huh?????

Are you kidding me? Sony has created a whole bushel of new IPs this gen, as it has in both the PS1 and Ps2 gens. Sony has always been good at creating new and original IPs each gen.

Okay, the Ps1 gen doesn't count because they were all new IPs; but Sony first-, second-, and third-party devs on the PS1 sure were creative.

On the PS2, however, Sony created even more new IPs. Sure, they carried over a few Ps1 franchises from the PS1 to the PS2; but they created a whole group of new IPs – both franchises like GOW and one-off franchises (PS2 specific, no PS3 versions) like Sly Cooper (unless a new one is coming) -- and didn't pursue sequels to a bunch of Ps1 classics.

The same can be said of the PS3. Just look at how many new IPs Sony has created this gen! Sure, they have the GTs, GOWs, KZs, Warhawks, R&Cs, Socoms, and now TMs -- there are more PS1/PS2 franchises on the PS3 than Ps1 franchises on the PS2 without a doubt!; but how many classic PS1 and PS2 franchises still lay dormant?

Where are the new Colony Wars, Krazy Ivan, Destruction Derby, Alundra, Legend of Dragoon, Wild Arms, Sly Cooper, Jak and Daxter, and Omega Boost games… and so on with Sony first-party games? I'm sure there are many more some of us would love to see come back.

There are many third-party classics that we would all love so see sequels for too (Xenogears, Onimusha, Brave Fencer Musashi, Bushido Blade, Vagrant Story, etc...) but we all know they would be multiplat now so they are not worth debating.

But Sony has a habit of continuing a few new franchises from gen to gen and letting others wither on the vine. I'm sure next gen we're going to wonder where the sequels are to Infamous and Uncharted while Sucker Punch and Naughty Dog are off creating new IPs for the PS4.

It, however, is sad that we probably won’t get any more Sony exclusive Insomniac franchises on the Ps4 now that Insomniac has gone multiplat; hopefully I’m wrong though. I’m sure, however, Insomniac will continue to keep making R&C games as long as Sony wants them because Sony owns the rights (I’m sure it still stings that Sony never owned the rights to Crash Bandicoot, developed by Naughty Dog for Universal Games before Sony owned them, and had to stand by as its iconic PS1 mascot showed up on M$ft and Ninty consoles and PS2 without a Ps3 version. That said, Sony better buy Sucker Punch before it takes its next great franchise multiplat.

Sony always comes out with new and creative games mid console life too, so I'm sure Sony has a new IP or two still up its sleeves.

So, I don't know where you get off with claiming Sony is relying too much on sequels and not being creative. Out of M$ft and Ninty, Sony is the only one that comes up with new IPs, both major and one-off franchises and games like Sly Cooper, Dropship, etc., gen after gen. Meanwhile, M$ft has how many successful franchises it owns? Three: Halo, Fable, and Forza (it doesn’t own Gears). And Ninty does nothing but put out sequels -- the last new good IPs Ninty came up with were Pikmin and Smash Bros. on the GC and N64 (two new major franchises in three gens isn’t great), both of which have sequels on the Wii (Pikmin 3 is coming). Heck, Ninty is even bringing back GoldenEye, Kirby, and GKC this holiday… more sequels to classic franchises; not that there is anything wrong with that because sequels have their place… I’m still waiting for a Wii Starfox and a Wii Pilotwings, both of which are coming I think because Ninty has now created Wii sequels for all of its classic franchises except for those two.

Bottom line, you are so off base about Sony’s lack of creativity it is not even funny. I don’t know you all that well, but blatantly wrong comments like that make you come off like a 360 fanboy.

End. .Off. Rant.

Sorry about the lengthy post, but ignorant comments bug me.

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Deleted User
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 5:13:19 PM

i agree with A2K78 lets take a look
u have Killzone 2, Uncharted 2, God of War 3, Resistance 2 and lets take a look at whats coming up Killzone 3, infamous 2, Little Big Planet 2, and W.K.C 2 R&C 4 for All and Resistance 3, twisted metal (reboot). so were are the new IPs? yes u have demon souls and White Knight but that all i can think of

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 5:34:21 PM

More proof that A2K78 knows absolutely nothing about anything.

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Temjin001
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 6:11:40 PM

Despite infamousgod and ak278's thoughts--albeit not to intelligently formed with huge gaps in their reasoning skills and also their apparent mental block to the clear list of fresh quality franchises Sony has introduced to us this gen. Which were mostly well received.
And to think that their gaming diet is being better sustained on any other platform that provides them with all these new, fresh games is just downright asinine. They're certainly not coming from 360 or Wii.

Is it iPhone guys? Is that where you're getting all your new wonderfully fresh games? Has it occured to either of you that perhaps, despite your outcry against sequels, that Sony may be providing more new IP's that are higher quality than by any of their competitors?

It really is annoying reading about sequel hate. Many of gamings best games are sequels.

Can either infamousgod or ak278 form a decent argument suggesting what's so wrong about sequels?

I'd like to read it--then I'd love to respond =)

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Clamedeus
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 6:38:53 PM

Well said Lawless.

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Temjin001
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 9:03:22 PM

Orvisman, I would like to see a Colony Wars re-boot. It was a nice quality game back in the day.

It just seems the space action games these days are essentially obsolete.

I absolutely loved Lawrence Holland's X-Wing and Tie-Fighter games for PC. More than just a shooter, the game gave you so much control over balancing shield and weapon power on the fly, and directing your squadrons course of action. Missions were highly varied. Good stories.

The two games were way ahead of their time.
Nothing, absolutely nothing has come close since then for that genre. I remember my bro and I laughing at how un-bleieviabley flat Rogue Squadron's gameplay was by comparison--graphics were incredible though.


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Highlander
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 11:20:20 PM

This post and the poster behind it can be described by a single word - TROLL.

Considering Sony has been behind games such as Little Big Planet and Heavy Rain, the argument about a lack of originality is demonstrably false which makes your post nothing more than a troll.

No more responses for Mr A2K78, I'd suggest that no one bother responding to him/her again.

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spiderboi
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 11:44:41 PM

Next he's gonna claim that *shudder* all FF games are sequels :p

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Orvisman
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 8:01:27 AM

Laughing at InfamousGod.

Looking at your list, Uncharted, Resistance, Infamous, Little Big Planet, and W.K.C. are all ORIGINAL franchises this gen.

Plus we have ORIGINAL games like 3D Game Heroes, Heavy Rain, ModNation Racers, The Last Guardian, Demon's Souls, Folklore, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, and MAG.

<sarcasm> Sure, Sony hasn't created new IPs this gen. <sarcasm>

Why don't you, A2K78, and _____ crawl back into the green-hued troll caves you came from!

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maxpontiac
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 12:21:08 PM

A2K78 -

Nice flame bait post, because surely you can't be serious.

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Jawknee
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:32:46 PM

People love their Nintendogs. I think Famtisu gave it a perfect score.

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tes37
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:37:29 PM

I hope the full version is better, because I'm supposed to be picking this up for my daughter. I'm probably doing something wrong, but I couldn't get the thing to sit still. I may have put the camera in a bad spot.

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Godslim
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 3:59:18 PM
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this is y i have always thought ps3 is the best console choice because it has games that suit everyone

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Gone
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:17:32 PM
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I chose the Playstation brand over the others because they have the games that I like.

1. Twisted Metal
2. Gran Turismo
3. Uncharted
4. God of War
5. Need for Speed
6. Burnout
7. Tekken
8. Soul Calibur
9. GTA
10. Final Fantasy

If I wanted to play FPS I would buy it for the PC.

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bigrailer19
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:32:51 PM

Help me understand this better, cus the last 6 you mentioned are on other consoles. Unless your speaking of earlier games.

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Gone
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:52:27 PM

Yes, I am talking about the earlier games (franchises).

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shadowscorpio
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 5:16:14 PM

In Boom's defense these franchises where born from the Playstation brand.

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bigrailer19
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 5:47:51 AM

Thats why I wanted the help to beter understand what he was getting at. In his defense I knew what he meant lol. Just wanted to make sure.

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Lawless SXE
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:28:09 PM
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That's a bit of a low blow, but then they've said something similar before. Still, I think we may begin to see more variety from Microsoft now that they've released Kinect. Maybe it'll help to broaden their minds when it comes to IPs. But the variety offered by Sony is unparalleled, and that is why I love my PS3. The spice of life, baby.
Peace.

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booze925
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:50:53 PM
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you don't rely on them, but u still have 2 have em.
if ps3 didn't have killzone, uncharted, or mgs4 i would have bought an xbox 360.
yes, i luv metal gear that much

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thj_1980
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 5:20:59 PM
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But to consider once more, both sides have lost some of their main games.

PS3: Final Fantasy XIII, Tekken 6, Metal Gear
Xbox 360: Mass Effect, Bioshock, Ninja Gaiden and there's a couple of more I can't think of.

But in to consider Final Fantasy Metal Gear were massive blows as they are franchises that started long long ago and were mainly for playstation. Xbox 360 lost Mass Effect and Bioshock were pretty big blows to their exclusitivity. However in the end we all know that most Xbox devs are starting to look at the blu-light of blu-ray than thier test 360's rrod. Example valve was bashing the system form 2006-2010 now they have an independent team working to create ps3 games. Why??? BECAUSE THEY WANT SOME OF THE SWEET PS3 SUGAR!!!

LMAO



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Orvisman
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 8:11:40 AM

@sha4dowknight05,

To be fair, Sony didn't really lose Metal Gear Solid because Rising isn't really a Metal Gear Solid game.

1) It is a side story that doesn't feature Snake as the protagonist.

2) Snake isn't the protagonist. Yes, this gets listed twice because that is a big deal to many.

3) Hideo Kojima isn't really involved with the day-to-day development/producing. The biggest factor in my book.

You can replace Metal Gear with GTA because Sony has always had a window of exclusivity with GTAs in the past gen. (I still don't know why Sony let Take2 out of its timed exclusivity deal and make GTA available day-and-date on the 360/PS3.

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Alienange
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 5:48:10 PM
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Tell me again where he said "we don't rely on shooters?"

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Hezzron
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 6:51:52 PM
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I like Sony's consoles and variety in games. However, with the exception of the Resistance series, its seems Sony couldn't make a shooter to save their lives.

I like it better when Sony stays quiet and classy. Dille having to drag out old numbers from past generations just because Halo Reach launched sounds a little lame.

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xnonsuchx
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 7:44:59 PM
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360 fans might be getting slightly tired of the shooters, though, since it seems every new one gets lower and lower review scores. Well, I guess REACH is getting higher scores than the "overpriced expansion pack" ODST, but lower than the original HALO and HALO 2 got.

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bamf7295
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 7:55:47 PM
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this is why I have all three systems, I get the best of all worlds.

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Zemus101
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 8:46:41 PM
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I don't comment all that often on PSXE. I have to say though, I love this community. I spent about 30 minutes or so reading through the majority of the comments on ths page and 90% of them are very well written and even lengthy in most cases. That's compared to pretty much all the other gaming sites I visit. Come to think of it, it's rare that I even pay attention to the comments on any other gaming sites. Usually by the time I read the article (and I check PSXE about twice daily) there are already so many comments that everything I wanted to say has already been said, and replied to by just about everyone.

Oh topic though, I just recently traded in my Battlefield 2 and besides Killzone 2, that was the only shooter that I really got into for awhile. I was never a shooter fan before PS3, or even other genres that weren't RPG related. PS3 has shown me that there are so many other genres that could be done right. Maybe it's because I'm older now and have access to money, or the internet whenever I want. I always know which games are good and when they're coming out so I can go pick up a new game from a genre I normally wouldn't touch. Just bacause it received excellent reviews just about everywhere online.

This was the case with Killzone2 actually. I would never have even looked twice at Little Big Planet for sale at a Walmart if I didn't know anything about it and just saw it there. Since I had beta access and watched videos and read previews beforehand, I knew it was more than what was advertised on the box. Anyways, I'm tired of shooters right now myself, but I'm definitely looking for any decent RPGs to spend my money on. Even something like Demon Souls would be nice, it's been awhile since we had a great adventure RPG type experience. Unless there's one out there I'm not aware of that's about to release.

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Geobaldi
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 9:02:40 PM
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I think people are exaggerating just a bit. Though it's true that the 360 has primarily more shooters than any other genre on the system, the PS3 has it's fair share as well. After researching for a bit, at last count I've counted 87 fps games on the 360 that have been released, in development and/or been canceled. The PS3 is right behind them with 79. Still have more counting to do but this is the totals I have right now. Gotta get ready for work now so can't continue tonight.

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Lawless SXE
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 9:18:13 PM

I think that it's more the percentage rates of genres, particularly when it comes to exclusives. The PS3 is the far better rounded console in that regard. Besides, Microsoft is known to push shooters as that is where their fans are, ergo huge marketing campaigns for Halo and Gears, while other titles, such as Alan Wake and Mass Effect were left to sell themselves.

Thanks for the insight and differing opinion though.
Peace.

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Highlander
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 12:16:39 AM

@Geobaldi,

I think that the telling point is not so much the number of titles as a whole, but how many of those were released as 'AAA' titles, and what proportion of game sales are FPS on one console compared to another.

You might also want to look at the console exclusives and compare those since Multi-platforms are on both they effectively cancel each other out, leaving just the exclusives.

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Temjin001
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 8:13:16 PM

Good approach there, Geobaldi.

It's nice when people go out of their way to actually look at the specifics and then yield observations from the data. Because it can be pretty tempting, and easy, to talk over the top of the details with generalizations. And sometimes generalizations yield misconceptions.

As for the topic. There is a HUGE FPS user-base on PS3, just like 360.

In fact, a nearly equal proportion when looking at Modern Warfare 2's sales.

Here's the breakdown:

PS3 MW2 Euro + US sales = 8.29 million copies sold
% to PS3 user base is a whopping 25.94%
That's right over a quarter of those PS3 gamers have bought MW2.

360 MW2 Euro + US sales = 11.47 million copies sold
% to 360 user base is 27.53%

So really, while 360 made it's mark with FPS, LIVE and Halo, the reality is that both platforms really love their FPS games and MW2 is nearly just as appealing for both audiences.



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Temjin001
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 1:11:50 AM

and btw, when I stated "just like 360" I meant as in large demand. While PS3's FPS games are huge--being in the multi-millions and all--I'm sure the total amount of dollars spent on FPS-type games is higher on 360.I think without seeing gross dollars earned for a given genre class it's difficult to get any concrete evidence on the matter.

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Highlander
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 2:00:15 AM

@Temjin,

That's why I am suggesting that you exclude all multi-platform games from the analysis. The question is about which company relies more on FPS games. I don't think that there is any question about whether there are a huge number of shooter players on both platforms, as you point out the sales of a game like MW2 prove that there are equivalent proportions of gamers who are happy to play shooters on both consoles. However, I think that when you look at the libraries of each console without the multi-platform games, you get a truer view of the console maker's reliance and desire for game genre on their console. After all the exclusives are generally first party or commissions.

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Temjin001
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 2:18:46 AM

Highlander, I have no doubt that MS relies more heavily on FPS games. Halo is MS's largest cash-cow and LIVE propagator, without them they would've died out long ago. MS spearheaded the whole online shooter thing for consoles. It was their Wii-mote of gaming and Steve Job's iPod of MP3 players.

PS3 and PSN was built on a different foundation.

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Riku994
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 9:47:27 PM
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I loled, no joke.

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Kiryu
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 11:19:09 PM
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A proud playstation Fan and owner from 1995!

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rockervi
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 11:37:40 PM
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PS3: It Only Does Everything
Xbox 360: It Only Does Halo

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Godslim
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 5:36:52 AM

and gears of war, mass affect,fable, alan wake :S

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Underdog15
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 8:23:45 AM

@Godslim
which are in what genre? lol

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Alienange
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 4:19:45 PM

TPS, RPG and ... horror?

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Underdog15
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 8:35:54 PM

Horror is a video game genre?

I consider all those zombie shoot-em-ups, RE5, Resistance, etc. shooters.

The only 'horror' that belongs with a separate title from FPS is the earlier RE games... but that's just one title.

And ME is a great game... but it's a shooter in my books. A good story based shooter... which is soon to not be so exclusive.

Unless you want to throw around the Action/RPG slogan again.

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___________
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 2:10:29 AM
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yea, right sony and you dont?
typical PR BS!

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bigrailer19
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 5:48:55 AM

What does Sony rely on?

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Clamedeus
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 6:06:14 AM

Sony focuses on multiple genres not just shooters,

3D Game Heroes, Heavy Rain, Little Big Planet, ModNation Racers, White Knight Chronicles, The Last Guardian, Gran Turismo 5, God of War, Demon's Souls, Folklore, Heavenly Sword, InFAMOUS, Motorstorm. I'm sure there is more but that's off the top of my head.

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Underdog15
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 8:23:24 AM

@anonymous cowpatty

Dude, there's no way you can counter this point... the only AAA title XBOX has that is exclusive and NOT a shooter is Fable. And that's like a watered down Demon's Souls.

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___________
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 8:36:30 AM

shooters, a good chunk of sonys exclusives are shooters.
look at each genre, action they have GOW3, platforming they have LBP, racing they have MNR and GT5, niche they have TLG and heavy rain, more or less sony has 1 exclusive for each genre but shooters they have several.
syphon filter, MGS, uncharted, R&C, killzone, resistance, MAG, socom, HAZE, time crisis just to name a few.
the ps3 is just like the 360, a good chunk of its exclusives are shooters.
tis why sony are the worlds biggest hypocrites.

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Underdog15
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 8:33:57 PM

1) some of those aren't shooters. Just because a character has a gun, doesnt mean it's a shooter. According to your definition, Valkyria Chronicles is a shooter too....

2) You're wrong about 1 exclusive per other genre... you only labeled the AAA best hits. There are plenty of other exclusives that are of other genres. Too many to count. Also, this article spans over the last two generations. The PS2 compared to the XBOX is the exact same story as the PS3 compared to the XBOX360.

I dunno man... I just think you're not even slightly accurate on that one.

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Knightedrik
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 6:56:12 AM
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"We don't rely on shooters."

Well, that might be the case, but PS3 does have ALOT of shooters. To many in my opinion. The main reason I stayed a PS fan (throughout PSone and PS2 eras) is because that's where almost ALL the rpg's were. When the original Xbox came around.. the were pretty much "shooter based", and rpg's were almost non-existent.

Now it seems we've basically traded in this generation. On the ps3, we seem to be seeing an increasing number of FPS.. and the RPG's are basically trickling in. And with the RPG market going the way of "twitch gaming", it seems days are dark for my beloved genre, and the fans that love it too.

We continue to see a more broadening genre base on the ps3, but I'm still seeing a hell of a lot of shooters.

I've kinda learned to adapt to it all I guess. With the lack of really good RPG's.. I've taken to open world free roaming epic games like Just Cause 2, Mafia 2, and Infamous. But it still leaves a hole in my soul left unfilled by good old fashioned turn-based strategy type goodness.

Games like Dragon Age, Dungeon Siege, and Demon Souls are stellar.. and I would love to see more titles like these in the future. I love many types of games, but I seem to mainly have it boil down to RPG's, Racing, and Survival Horror.

I know may, many people love shooters.. and I can see why. It is very apex of competitve gaming at the moment. But, it seems like the people who play games like CodMW2 and BFBC2.. only play those type of games period. And with so many people staying on those games for so long. A message is being sent to the dev's and higher up that this is what makes money, so let's make another one.. and sell DLC.

I get by, but I know there is an ever-growing group of gamers out there being "left out in the cold" and getting no love.. having their favorite genres being pushed aside by the cash cow FPS crowd. But given a chance, I feel that we old dogs can still put the numbers on the board if we were offered something substantial.

Here's to hoping for a brighter future, whatever games/genres you love.

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Underdog15
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 8:21:59 AM

Don't forget though, many of those shooters are multi-plat.

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Clamedeus
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 6:05:36 PM

Indeed Underdog15

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spiderboi
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 11:47:54 PM
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Man, this articles attracts all the 360 defenders with their faulty arguments. You don't disagree with common sense and good ol facts.

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spiderboi
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 10:19:36 AM

*article

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SirLoin of Beef
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 8:07:59 AM
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I agree with Sony's statement. When it comes to exclusives (what few MS has left), the 360 does rely more on shooters than the PS3. That's not necessarily a bad thing, as having all those shooters with multiplayer gives them a pretty goodly-sized player base to use XBL. Still, as someone who likes the 360 (and I've never been afraid to express my fondness of MS's machine), I wish they would be more expansive in the kind of exclusive titles they offer.

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spiderboi
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 10:01:30 AM

Thank you sir, for that level-minded response. Glad you didn't take offense on something that is an accepted fact (and as mentioned, its not such a bad thing coz it helped them garner that much fan base)

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