SCEA: Unlike One Of Our Competitors, We Don't Rely On Shooters
See Full ImageNormally, Sony keeps to themselves. After reading comments and press releases from Sony executives for almost four years, I rarely see them mention the competition.
But every once in a while, it's nice to buck the trend. SCEA Senior Vice President of Marketing Peter Dille took a subtle jab at Microsoft during an interview with The[A]ListDaily, and his comment is bound to incite some arguments. There's no denying that shooters are big and if one were to compare the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 lineup - especially concerning exclusives - one might conclude that Microsoft's library is...well, pretty heavily inundated with one particular genre. And recently, Microsoft UK boss Neil Thompson told CVG they want even more shooters. All of this may have prompted Dille's comment:
"We've never been reliant on one product genre like one of our competitors.
[Sony has] titles ranging from Killzone to EyePet. PlayStation is a very big tent and ... it's helped us sell 377 million PlayStation hardware products and two billion software products in 15 years."
That first sentence right there is incendiary in nature, no doubt. But is it true? Well, it isn't difficult to compare the top titles lists for both consoles; we'll leave that to you. Sony continues to close on Microsoft in the worldwide sales tally, although new releases like Halo: Reach will temporarily prevent the gap from closing entirely. Then again, Reach is...well, what Dille said.
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9/18/2010 12:13:21 PM Ben Dutka
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SayWord
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:34:33 PM
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Killa Tequilla
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 2:07:31 PM
Anyways, I got Move yesterday! Its so awesome guys so awesome! Anyway I was wondering there will be a Move patch for Heavy Rain on sep 22nd for North America, correct? I bought Heavy Rain and wont play it till the Patch or update... I havent played HR before...
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kevinater321
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 2:15:58 PM
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Killa Tequilla
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 3:39:29 PM
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Orvisman
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:02:47 PM
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shadowpal2
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 6:00:06 PM
VARIETY and the MASSIVE LIBRARY.
I mean think about it, wouldn't a PS2 still be a great christmas present? I mean think about a family who couldn't be able to afford much...but a used slim ps2 for $50 or so. And then all the fantastic games in the library. A MYRIAD of RPGs, Action & Adventure, Shooters, Hack & Slash Racing, Sports, and what more do you want?
It's just a fantastic buy.
I know that the PS3 will soon be just like the PS2 in that regard, especially with its different exclusives.
Heavy Rain. Killzone 2/3. Resistance 1/2/3. God of War III. Uncharted 1/2. Metal Gear Solid 4. Yakuza 3/4/Of the End. Disgaea 3 (I've played it for just an hour...and I LOVED IT). Valkyria Chronicles (sure wish 3 came out on this).
AND GRAN TURISMO 5 ladies and gentlemen - GRAN TURISMO F***ING 5!
And of course so much more - inFamous, Demon Souls, and the list just continues.
It'll gradually grow and be like or even better than its predecessor.
As for now in my personal honest opinion, I don't think it's there yet. PS2 4ever!
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to_far_apart
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 7:47:37 PM
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LimitedVertigo
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:31:50 PM
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Jawknee
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:55:28 PM
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STAY3R
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 2:33:46 PM
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LimitedVertigo
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 2:41:34 PM
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laksh
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:33:04 PM
I mean i understand why ppl may want more than 1 360 if its their main console cos of their award winning reliability.
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booze925
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:48:30 PM
ill be using that word more frequently from now on
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LimitedVertigo
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 7:20:27 PM
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fluffer nutter
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 9:20:47 PM
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Highlander
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 11:14:17 PM
Variety is the spice of life. We have three because I game, my wife got hooked on JRPGs and then Burnout Paradise and Civilization Revolutions and so now she has her own PS3. My son is in his teens and - surprise - likes video games so he has a PS3 for his games. Then there are the two, soon to be three PSPs...
If Sony were to behave like A. N. Other gaming company and rely heavily on shooters, I might have a PS3 and PSP, but the family would have gone elsewhere. Sony has always had a very broad audience and knows that is a virtue because it drives major sales.
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Jawknee
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 4:14:30 AM
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Orvisman
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 7:50:09 AM
I also own a 360 Squat, a 250G Elite, and Japanese Arcade.
I own 1 U.S. Wii and 1 Japanese Wii.
The same can be written for past gens.
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kevinater321
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:32:31 PM
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StangMan80
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:38:17 PM
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StangMan80
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:39:13 PM
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bigrailer19
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:28:37 PM
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maxpontiac
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:29:38 PM
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Shams
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:46:05 PM
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So variety, in the long run is good. I'd rather have 2 killzones, 2 Uncharteds, 2 LBP's, 2 MotorStorms, 2 inFamouses, and a Demon's Souls, than 4 Halo iterations, 3 Gears, and an an Alan Wake.
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Underdog15
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 8:20:47 AM
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Shams
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 1:17:50 PM
Quality over quantity, any day, but Sony's got Quality with quantity.
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Temjin001
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:49:57 PM
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Needless to say, I have major respect for Bungie and Halo, and it's got to feel unbelievably gratifying for them to know that their product has carried a whole sub-culture of gamer for so many years. So much so that gamers were willing to survive the whole RRoD catastrophe, service fees, and a pre-mature system launch to take part in all of it.
I find what's pretty interesting is that despite 360's notoriety with shooters. Sony has actually put out a ton of quality exclusive shooters onto the market to compete: KZ, Resistance, Warhawk, SOCOM, even Uncharted 2 is 3/4 shooter(especially online) even Ratchet is largely shooter--I think of it as one anyway. That's a pretty heavy line-up to against MS's more popular heavy weights. Halo, Gears, LfD, and PD(not so popular anymore, another defunct MS franchise it seems)
So, really, despite MS's image, Sony has arguably an as good if not more forward thinking shooter genre than even MS. And despite that, Sony can safely invest big budgets into diverse games that aren't so risky because of a market that isn't so heavily polarized in genre interests.
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Jawknee
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:53:45 PM
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bigrailer19
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:27:36 PM
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Temjin001
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:58:09 PM
But without Halo and Live I think it'd be safe to assume that the XBox would've performed even worse than the Gamecube, and they probably wouldn't have attracted as much 3rd party support because of it.
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NoSmokingBandit
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 3:18:49 PM
So without Halo pushing the 360, we are left with Live. Will people really buy another console that requires a fee to play online? People were uncertain about PSN early this generation, and rightfully so, but the gap between PSN and XBL is so narrow that $50/yr, sorry now $60/yr is just an insult from MS.
So assuming that the consoles launch in the same year, I dont have high hopes for MS next generation. Maybe they'll rush through R&D again to get a year head start, but they are really going to have to step up their first-party support. Sony has amazing first-party studios, MS only has a few worth mentioning.
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Temjin001
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:04:55 PM
But I would argue that MS knows the tremendous value and importance of their Halo franchise and they will do everything in their power to hand pick experienced talent to form their future core Halo games. As to whether, or not, this new team will have what it takes to keep the series from feeling played out--if it hasn't already--will be interesting to see.
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Lawless SXE
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:13:21 PM
To say that a studio transition will destroy a game isn't a guarantee. Sure, history pretty much dictates that it will, but in the case of Halo, one of the lead members of Bungie has stayed at Microsoft and signed onto 343 Industries. He did this in order to try to maintain the quality of the games. Besides, you know Xbots would have purchased The Last Rebellion if it had had the Halo name slapped on it.
Peace.
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Jawknee
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:52:57 PM
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"why doesn't anyone else make excellent adventure games like God of War, uncharted 2, ratchet and clank etc. All MS offers is shooters."
He also said he won't be getting the new Halo because he won't pay LIVE and figures the campaign will be very short. He's finally seeing the bluray light.
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maxpontiac
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:31:29 PM
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slimey
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:54:25 PM
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Yukian
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:00:26 PM
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FxTales
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 8:27:47 PM
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fstop
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 9:36:42 PM
I had to come on and say that you have THE BEST F**KIN' AVATAR PIC!!!! LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT!
Oh and to stay on topic, I agree with everyone who says the Xbox would not have survived without Live or Halo. But that's a good thing and I give them that, they have changed the face of gaming in their own way just like Sony did when they came around. I don't play my Xbox as much but I do love the exclusives they have just like I'm sure Xbots would love some of our classic, beautifully crafted pieces of art.
I may own an MS machine but my heart is with Sony all the way, simply because they make quality I can't get anywhere else.
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SixSpeedKing
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:13:11 PM
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And @Yukian Lol awesome dude. Just what I was thinking.
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FxTales
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 9:58:11 PM
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fstop
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 12:26:20 AM
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Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:13:42 PM
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Jawknee
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:18:48 PM
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bigrailer19
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:25:23 PM
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LimitedVertigo
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:35:18 PM
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maxpontiac
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:35:43 PM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:43:52 PM
It's called NEWS.
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Deleted User [Administrator]
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:47:14 PM
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Deleted User [Administrator]
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:55:03 PM
Halo Reach
Alan Wake
Left 4 Dead 2
Mass Effect 1&2
Splinter Cell Conviction
Fable 2
i won't bother to post my Ps3 collection some of u a ready know
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Temjin001
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 2:06:17 PM
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Jawknee
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bigrailer19
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LimitedVertigo
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 2:29:49 PM
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Underdog15
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 8:29:32 AM
And what genre do all those titles fall under in your XBOX collection, aside from Fable, the watered down Demon's Souls?
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maxpontiac
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 12:19:03 PM
I understand now. You took it as flame bait.
Why is that?
All Ben did is report news that he felt (correctly mind you) the community here would like to read.
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bigrailer19
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:24:51 PM
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Im kinda tired of all the FPS hate. Its really annoying. I see that when people ask why there isnt more FPS news here, theres a reason, and that reason is, its the minority around here. ok Thats not a great reason considering theres still tons of readers that share that interest but its still a reason. But when Sony says something like this or theres news regarding the failures of an FPS its all of a sudden important, or at least enough to post about.
Im just venting because well, this is really the only site I visit normally and when someone like myself who enjoys all games gets set aside because of game genre issues its unsettling.
Nevertheless, Sony has never relied on one genre ever, this is something we've known, why would that change now!
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MadPowerBomber
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:32:00 PM
Most of the news I find on fighting games is either through specific twitter accounts or Fighter's Generation, and that's pretty sad.
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Jawknee
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:34:43 PM
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maxpontiac
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:39:29 PM
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bigrailer19
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:43:31 PM
Problem is for me, they are so damn fun!
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bigrailer19
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:45:05 PM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:45:08 PM
Don't make silly assumptions that we somehow avoid FPS news. That's just ridiculous; do the research.
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Xombito
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:47:35 PM
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bigrailer19
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 2:04:29 PM
But yet this article, something we've grown to know and come accustomed to somehow is? Im not sayings its not a good article, most all of what is written here obviously has intelligence in it. But what does this prove?
And Ben I've been round for quite sometime. I keep coming back cus I liek all genres, everything about gaming. I dont need to do research I know what FPS articles pop up. I know the majority of them are KZ and Resistance oriented. Im not blind to any of that. My point is not to undermind you or the site, its that FPS doesn't go over well, and this article just adds fuel!
I dont care to argue about it, But I'd like people to know where I'm coming from in all this and not take it the wrong way.
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GuardianMode
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 2:29:23 PM
The statement is not flaming if its true. Now that Bungie is gone and Halo:Reach underperforming (MS refuses to release the total numbers sold compared to Halo 3 release). FPS are now more important to the 360s continued existence . That in a nutshell is the 360s greatest strength and fatal weakness.
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 5:36:32 PM
On top of which, if we didn't cover this particular story, we'd probably be the only major site NOT to take notice. It's news. Sony said it. What do you want?
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sha4dowknight05
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:44:03 PM
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Without FPS the ps3 probably won't have a quarter the sales as it does today without games like COD bringing sales up for it. Todays teens are playing cod on Xbox 360 and PS3 Xbox 360: Simply because it's more popular.
PS3: The online is free.
Just that reason alone people a buy a ps3 to play cod. However Microsoft does generate a lot more than just FPS for sales. Fable II, Forza 3, and many more generate a massive number sales for xbox 360 as well.
Microsoft could easily say that PS3 relies on sport games as well as we all know that sport games are better on ps3 like golf and baseball.
Today's top genres has to be in order
1. FPS
2. Sports
3. RPG
Xbox 360 pretty much as the playing field for FPS. Halo, Call of duty, gears of war.
PS3 has Killzone, Battlefield, Resistance.
Sports is a win-win for the ps3 as xbox dosen't come close to what we got.
PS3: Tiger woods, MLB the Show, Soccer,
Xbox 360 : Some basketball games and a bit of NFL
RPG:
It's a kinda tie but ps3 got the slight advantage
PS3: Demon's Soul and Final Fantasy XIII
Xbox 360: Fallout 3, Fable II
Th PS3 has a grasp on every genre while the XBOX 360 focuses on FPS first before anything else.
I am pro PS3 but I just wan to let everyone know that XBOX 360 does have other games too besides FPS. GEZZ today's market is filled with FPS.
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tes37
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:51:06 PM
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Scarecrow
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 3:07:58 PM
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Shams
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Scarecrow
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 3:14:16 PM
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The Last Guardian really speaks volumes to what kind of brand Playstation is.
It's where everyone is invited to experiences all the kinds of games that are possible. And not average quality, high quality experiences.
November 2nd = best racing game ever.
That's what has always been great 'bout Playstation. Ps1 is a testament to that, just look at the variety of great games that console had. Castlevania, Spyro, Silent Hill, Cool Boarders, Legend of Dragoon. Yeah that's what you call quality gaming.
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A2K78
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 3:45:56 PM
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Temjin001
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:14:31 PM
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Lawless SXE
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:25:09 PM
The difference I think in the previous generations was that Sony ruled, and so there were a lot more third-party exclusives, and as such, more variety and daring from the developers. Still Sonys competitors rely on sequels far more than Sony: Halo, Gears, Mario, Zelda, among others. And the biggest complaint is that these are from earlier generations, and so even less original than Sonys sequels. I've said enough.
Peace.
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Temjin001
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:30:07 PM
Infamous, Uncharted, Motorstorm, Heavy Rain, Resistance, LBP, Modnation Racers have all been introduced this gen and all have strong critical acclaim. In fact, two of which have earned numerous GotY awards.
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Temjin001
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:37:02 PM
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Orvisman
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:50:24 PM
Huh?????
Are you kidding me? Sony has created a whole bushel of new IPs this gen, as it has in both the PS1 and Ps2 gens. Sony has always been good at creating new and original IPs each gen.
Okay, the Ps1 gen doesn't count because they were all new IPs; but Sony first-, second-, and third-party devs on the PS1 sure were creative.
On the PS2, however, Sony created even more new IPs. Sure, they carried over a few Ps1 franchises from the PS1 to the PS2; but they created a whole group of new IPs – both franchises like GOW and one-off franchises (PS2 specific, no PS3 versions) like Sly Cooper (unless a new one is coming) -- and didn't pursue sequels to a bunch of Ps1 classics.
The same can be said of the PS3. Just look at how many new IPs Sony has created this gen! Sure, they have the GTs, GOWs, KZs, Warhawks, R&Cs, Socoms, and now TMs -- there are more PS1/PS2 franchises on the PS3 than Ps1 franchises on the PS2 without a doubt!; but how many classic PS1 and PS2 franchises still lay dormant?
Where are the new Colony Wars, Krazy Ivan, Destruction Derby, Alundra, Legend of Dragoon, Wild Arms, Sly Cooper, Jak and Daxter, and Omega Boost games… and so on with Sony first-party games? I'm sure there are many more some of us would love to see come back.
There are many third-party classics that we would all love so see sequels for too (Xenogears, Onimusha, Brave Fencer Musashi, Bushido Blade, Vagrant Story, etc...) but we all know they would be multiplat now so they are not worth debating.
But Sony has a habit of continuing a few new franchises from gen to gen and letting others wither on the vine. I'm sure next gen we're going to wonder where the sequels are to Infamous and Uncharted while Sucker Punch and Naughty Dog are off creating new IPs for the PS4.
It, however, is sad that we probably won’t get any more Sony exclusive Insomniac franchises on the Ps4 now that Insomniac has gone multiplat; hopefully I’m wrong though. I’m sure, however, Insomniac will continue to keep making R&C games as long as Sony wants them because Sony owns the rights (I’m sure it still stings that Sony never owned the rights to Crash Bandicoot, developed by Naughty Dog for Universal Games before Sony owned them, and had to stand by as its iconic PS1 mascot showed up on M$ft and Ninty consoles and PS2 without a Ps3 version. That said, Sony better buy Sucker Punch before it takes its next great franchise multiplat.
Sony always comes out with new and creative games mid console life too, so I'm sure Sony has a new IP or two still up its sleeves.
So, I don't know where you get off with claiming Sony is relying too much on sequels and not being creative. Out of M$ft and Ninty, Sony is the only one that comes up with new IPs, both major and one-off franchises and games like Sly Cooper, Dropship, etc., gen after gen. Meanwhile, M$ft has how many successful franchises it owns? Three: Halo, Fable, and Forza (it doesn’t own Gears). And Ninty does nothing but put out sequels -- the last new good IPs Ninty came up with were Pikmin and Smash Bros. on the GC and N64 (two new major franchises in three gens isn’t great), both of which have sequels on the Wii (Pikmin 3 is coming). Heck, Ninty is even bringing back GoldenEye, Kirby, and GKC this holiday… more sequels to classic franchises; not that there is anything wrong with that because sequels have their place… I’m still waiting for a Wii Starfox and a Wii Pilotwings, both of which are coming I think because Ninty has now created Wii sequels for all of its classic franchises except for those two.
Bottom line, you are so off base about Sony’s lack of creativity it is not even funny. I don’t know you all that well, but blatantly wrong comments like that make you come off like a 360 fanboy.
End. .Off. Rant.
Sorry about the lengthy post, but ignorant comments bug me.
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Deleted User
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 5:13:19 PM
u have Killzone 2, Uncharted 2, God of War 3, Resistance 2 and lets take a look at whats coming up Killzone 3, infamous 2, Little Big Planet 2, and W.K.C 2 R&C 4 for All and Resistance 3, twisted metal (reboot). so were are the new IPs? yes u have demon souls and White Knight but that all i can think of
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 5:34:21 PM
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Temjin001
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 6:11:40 PM
And to think that their gaming diet is being better sustained on any other platform that provides them with all these new, fresh games is just downright asinine. They're certainly not coming from 360 or Wii.
Is it iPhone guys? Is that where you're getting all your new wonderfully fresh games? Has it occured to either of you that perhaps, despite your outcry against sequels, that Sony may be providing more new IP's that are higher quality than by any of their competitors?
It really is annoying reading about sequel hate. Many of gamings best games are sequels.
Can either infamousgod or ak278 form a decent argument suggesting what's so wrong about sequels?
I'd like to read it--then I'd love to respond =)
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Temjin001
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 9:03:22 PM
It just seems the space action games these days are essentially obsolete.
I absolutely loved Lawrence Holland's X-Wing and Tie-Fighter games for PC. More than just a shooter, the game gave you so much control over balancing shield and weapon power on the fly, and directing your squadrons course of action. Missions were highly varied. Good stories.
The two games were way ahead of their time.
Nothing, absolutely nothing has come close since then for that genre. I remember my bro and I laughing at how un-bleieviabley flat Rogue Squadron's gameplay was by comparison--graphics were incredible though.
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Highlander
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 11:20:20 PM
Considering Sony has been behind games such as Little Big Planet and Heavy Rain, the argument about a lack of originality is demonstrably false which makes your post nothing more than a troll.
No more responses for Mr A2K78, I'd suggest that no one bother responding to him/her again.
Last edited by Highlander on 9/18/2010 11:21:53 PM
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spiderboi
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 11:44:41 PM
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Orvisman
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 8:01:27 AM
Looking at your list, Uncharted, Resistance, Infamous, Little Big Planet, and W.K.C. are all ORIGINAL franchises this gen.
Plus we have ORIGINAL games like 3D Game Heroes, Heavy Rain, ModNation Racers, The Last Guardian, Demon's Souls, Folklore, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, and MAG.
<sarcasm> Sure, Sony hasn't created new IPs this gen. <sarcasm>
Why don't you, A2K78, and _____ crawl back into the green-hued troll caves you came from!
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maxpontiac
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 12:21:08 PM
Nice flame bait post, because surely you can't be serious.
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Jawknee
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:32:46 PM
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tes37
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Godslim
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 3:59:18 PM
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Gone
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:17:32 PM
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1. Twisted Metal
2. Gran Turismo
3. Uncharted
4. God of War
5. Need for Speed
6. Burnout
7. Tekken
8. Soul Calibur
9. GTA
10. Final Fantasy
If I wanted to play FPS I would buy it for the PC.
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bigrailer19
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:32:51 PM
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Gone
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Lawless SXE
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:28:09 PM
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Peace.
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booze925
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:50:53 PM
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if ps3 didn't have killzone, uncharted, or mgs4 i would have bought an xbox 360.
yes, i luv metal gear that much
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sha4dowknight05
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 5:20:59 PM
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PS3: Final Fantasy XIII, Tekken 6, Metal Gear
Xbox 360: Mass Effect, Bioshock, Ninja Gaiden and there's a couple of more I can't think of.
But in to consider Final Fantasy Metal Gear were massive blows as they are franchises that started long long ago and were mainly for playstation. Xbox 360 lost Mass Effect and Bioshock were pretty big blows to their exclusitivity. However in the end we all know that most Xbox devs are starting to look at the blu-light of blu-ray than thier test 360's rrod. Example valve was bashing the system form 2006-2010 now they have an independent team working to create ps3 games. Why??? BECAUSE THEY WANT SOME OF THE SWEET PS3 SUGAR!!!
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Orvisman
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 8:11:40 AM
To be fair, Sony didn't really lose Metal Gear Solid because Rising isn't really a Metal Gear Solid game.
1) It is a side story that doesn't feature Snake as the protagonist.
2) Snake isn't the protagonist. Yes, this gets listed twice because that is a big deal to many.
3) Hideo Kojima isn't really involved with the day-to-day development/producing. The biggest factor in my book.
You can replace Metal Gear with GTA because Sony has always had a window of exclusivity with GTAs in the past gen. (I still don't know why Sony let Take2 out of its timed exclusivity deal and make GTA available day-and-date on the 360/PS3.
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Alienange
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 5:48:10 PM
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Hezzron
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 6:51:52 PM
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I like it better when Sony stays quiet and classy. Dille having to drag out old numbers from past generations just because Halo Reach launched sounds a little lame.
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xnonsuchx
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 7:44:59 PM
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bamf7295
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 7:55:47 PM
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Zemus101
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 8:46:41 PM
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Oh topic though, I just recently traded in my Battlefield 2 and besides Killzone 2, that was the only shooter that I really got into for awhile. I was never a shooter fan before PS3, or even other genres that weren't RPG related. PS3 has shown me that there are so many other genres that could be done right. Maybe it's because I'm older now and have access to money, or the internet whenever I want. I always know which games are good and when they're coming out so I can go pick up a new game from a genre I normally wouldn't touch. Just bacause it received excellent reviews just about everywhere online.
This was the case with Killzone2 actually. I would never have even looked twice at Little Big Planet for sale at a Walmart if I didn't know anything about it and just saw it there. Since I had beta access and watched videos and read previews beforehand, I knew it was more than what was advertised on the box. Anyways, I'm tired of shooters right now myself, but I'm definitely looking for any decent RPGs to spend my money on. Even something like Demon Souls would be nice, it's been awhile since we had a great adventure RPG type experience. Unless there's one out there I'm not aware of that's about to release.
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Geobaldi
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 9:02:40 PM
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Lawless SXE
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 9:18:13 PM
Thanks for the insight and differing opinion though.
Peace.
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Highlander
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 12:16:39 AM
I think that the telling point is not so much the number of titles as a whole, but how many of those were released as 'AAA' titles, and what proportion of game sales are FPS on one console compared to another.
You might also want to look at the console exclusives and compare those since Multi-platforms are on both they effectively cancel each other out, leaving just the exclusives.
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Temjin001
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 8:13:16 PM
It's nice when people go out of their way to actually look at the specifics and then yield observations from the data. Because it can be pretty tempting, and easy, to talk over the top of the details with generalizations. And sometimes generalizations yield misconceptions.
As for the topic. There is a HUGE FPS user-base on PS3, just like 360.
In fact, a nearly equal proportion when looking at Modern Warfare 2's sales.
Here's the breakdown:
PS3 MW2 Euro + US sales = 8.29 million copies sold
% to PS3 user base is a whopping 25.94%
That's right over a quarter of those PS3 gamers have bought MW2.
360 MW2 Euro + US sales = 11.47 million copies sold
% to 360 user base is 27.53%
So really, while 360 made it's mark with FPS, LIVE and Halo, the reality is that both platforms really love their FPS games and MW2 is nearly just as appealing for both audiences.
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Temjin001
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 1:11:50 AM
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Highlander
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 2:00:15 AM
That's why I am suggesting that you exclude all multi-platform games from the analysis. The question is about which company relies more on FPS games. I don't think that there is any question about whether there are a huge number of shooter players on both platforms, as you point out the sales of a game like MW2 prove that there are equivalent proportions of gamers who are happy to play shooters on both consoles. However, I think that when you look at the libraries of each console without the multi-platform games, you get a truer view of the console maker's reliance and desire for game genre on their console. After all the exclusives are generally first party or commissions.
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Temjin001
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 2:18:46 AM
PS3 and PSN was built on a different foundation.
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Kiryu
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 11:19:09 PM
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rockervi
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 11:37:40 PM
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Xbox 360: It Only Does Halo
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Godslim
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 5:36:52 AM
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Underdog15
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 8:23:45 AM
which are in what genre? lol
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Underdog15
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 8:35:54 PM
I consider all those zombie shoot-em-ups, RE5, Resistance, etc. shooters.
The only 'horror' that belongs with a separate title from FPS is the earlier RE games... but that's just one title.
And ME is a great game... but it's a shooter in my books. A good story based shooter... which is soon to not be so exclusive.
Unless you want to throw around the Action/RPG slogan again.
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___________
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 2:10:29 AM
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typical PR BS!
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Clamedeus
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 6:06:14 AM
3D Game Heroes, Heavy Rain, Little Big Planet, ModNation Racers, White Knight Chronicles, The Last Guardian, Gran Turismo 5, God of War, Demon's Souls, Folklore, Heavenly Sword, InFAMOUS, Motorstorm. I'm sure there is more but that's off the top of my head.
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Underdog15
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 8:23:24 AM
Dude, there's no way you can counter this point... the only AAA title XBOX has that is exclusive and NOT a shooter is Fable. And that's like a watered down Demon's Souls.
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___________
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 8:36:30 AM
look at each genre, action they have GOW3, platforming they have LBP, racing they have MNR and GT5, niche they have TLG and heavy rain, more or less sony has 1 exclusive for each genre but shooters they have several.
syphon filter, MGS, uncharted, R&C, killzone, resistance, MAG, socom, HAZE, time crisis just to name a few.
the ps3 is just like the 360, a good chunk of its exclusives are shooters.
tis why sony are the worlds biggest hypocrites.
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Underdog15
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 8:33:57 PM
2) You're wrong about 1 exclusive per other genre... you only labeled the AAA best hits. There are plenty of other exclusives that are of other genres. Too many to count. Also, this article spans over the last two generations. The PS2 compared to the XBOX is the exact same story as the PS3 compared to the XBOX360.
I dunno man... I just think you're not even slightly accurate on that one.
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Knightedrik
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 6:56:12 AM
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Well, that might be the case, but PS3 does have ALOT of shooters. To many in my opinion. The main reason I stayed a PS fan (throughout PSone and PS2 eras) is because that's where almost ALL the rpg's were. When the original Xbox came around.. the were pretty much "shooter based", and rpg's were almost non-existent.
Now it seems we've basically traded in this generation. On the ps3, we seem to be seeing an increasing number of FPS.. and the RPG's are basically trickling in. And with the RPG market going the way of "twitch gaming", it seems days are dark for my beloved genre, and the fans that love it too.
We continue to see a more broadening genre base on the ps3, but I'm still seeing a hell of a lot of shooters.
I've kinda learned to adapt to it all I guess. With the lack of really good RPG's.. I've taken to open world free roaming epic games like Just Cause 2, Mafia 2, and Infamous. But it still leaves a hole in my soul left unfilled by good old fashioned turn-based strategy type goodness.
Games like Dragon Age, Dungeon Siege, and Demon Souls are stellar.. and I would love to see more titles like these in the future. I love many types of games, but I seem to mainly have it boil down to RPG's, Racing, and Survival Horror.
I know may, many people love shooters.. and I can see why. It is very apex of competitve gaming at the moment. But, it seems like the people who play games like CodMW2 and BFBC2.. only play those type of games period. And with so many people staying on those games for so long. A message is being sent to the dev's and higher up that this is what makes money, so let's make another one.. and sell DLC.
I get by, but I know there is an ever-growing group of gamers out there being "left out in the cold" and getting no love.. having their favorite genres being pushed aside by the cash cow FPS crowd. But given a chance, I feel that we old dogs can still put the numbers on the board if we were offered something substantial.
Here's to hoping for a brighter future, whatever games/genres you love.
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Underdog15
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 8:21:59 AM
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