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Capcom's Inafune: "Japan Is At Least Five Years Behind"

At last year's Tokyo Game Show, Capcom's head of Research & Development, Keiji Inafune, made the following bold statement: "Japan is over. We're done. Our game industry is finished."

Now, due to the boldness of that comment, some believed there may have been something lost in the translation. Or maybe Inafune was just having a bad day. Well, that really isn't the case, as another statement made to the New York Times (as cited by Examiner.com) once again reinforces his dire view of the Japanese gaming industry:

"I look around Tokyo Games Show, and everyone’s making awful games. Japan is at least five years behind. Capcom is barely keeping up. I want to study how westerners live, and make games that appeal to them."

In the past, many Japanese masterminds have stepped up to address the ailing Japanese games industry, including Metal Gear Solid creator Hideo Kojima. He recently said Japanese developers "lack motivation and passion," which also incited plenty of discussion and argument amongst gamers and journalists alike. For the record, Capcom just reported its lowest net income since 2004, so perhaps Inafune has good reason to say what he did, but his idea comes back to the "Westernizing" of Japanese games in order to compete. We see it with Square-Enix and we saw it with Capcom's unveiling of the new Devil May Cry. The latter was announced at TGS 2010.

Other games shown off at the Tokyo Game Show this year were Capcom's other brawler by CyberConnect2, Asura's Wrath, Grasshopper Manufacture's Shadows of the Damned, Sega's Yakuza: The End, and Team ICO's The Last Guardian. But regardless of the games on display, Inafune's new quote is going to ruffle some feathers.

Tags: capcom, keiji inafune, game industry, japanese games

9/20/2010 10:44:00 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (105 posts)

godsman
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 11:03:48 AM
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I hated this complaining, especially from Capcom. Their Street Fighter IV was awesome. Then they got lazy and add new characters and called it Super Street Fighter IV a "new" game. Now they trying to recycle the formula by making Street Fighter X Tekken. It's all the same game but with extra characters.

Developers like Capcom should invest more money on a new IP, with the risk of losing money. First build the fanbase, then make money on a sequel. Uncharted took risks in their first game, but the game became the sequel and people went back to buy more of the original.

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shadowscorpio
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 1:29:48 PM

Godsman, this is what capcom has always done with their street fighters. I hope you're not saying that you have a problem with it now?

I don't know, i think these 3rd party Japanese devs should work closer with sony, understand the architecture of the Ps3/Ps4 and understand that the sony brand will hope invoke innovation and creativity in them. Makes you think, why is this all of a sudden such a huge issue this gen? Was it in the ps1 era? The Ps2 era? Hmmmm...

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Scarecrow
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 2:18:33 PM

Fighters get new versions all the time

Same with Blazblue, Tekken, and Virtua Fighter (ever heard of Virtua Fighter Evolution? Virtua Fighter R, etc. etc.)

The fighting genre is like that. Fighting games need rebalancing and new content that's why they release new versions (at lower prices).

This is not Capcom's fault, it's the nature of the genre.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 11:08:17 AM
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Before everybody starts to spew Capcom hate, I would suggest placing yourself in their position: the lowest net income since 2004.

If a business doesn't do something to address that, they ARE done. Doing what they've been doing clearly doesn't work, and if I was sitting in that boardroom, I'm not sure I'd have any brilliant ideas as to how to right the ship.

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Jawknee
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 11:13:05 AM

Haha, I don't think any of us have the exact right answer, but I can't take the whining anymore from this guy. The quality in their games have declinded since then, so i guess its only natural their sales would follow. All the whining and self pity from this guy isn't going to help.

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spiderboi
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 11:13:35 AM

With you on that Ben. But rather than the approach of westernizing, I think they should focus on making better games rather than simply assuming that westernized games = sale. Heck, if that's what they wanted, they might as well make a Streetfighter FPS, with Hadoukens as fire and Shouryouken as melee....

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ace_boon_coon
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 2:02:48 PM

well one thing they can do is not "westenize" all of the games. RE5 was terrible comparied to part 4.

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Scarecrow
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 2:19:17 PM

They've got no one but themselves to blame.

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ace_boon_coon
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 2:21:54 PM

dark void and content cutting in lost planet 2 are a reason they are broke.

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___________
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 5:18:59 AM

thats what happens when you give your fans the middle finger, and make crap games.
what did they expect?
the cash to come rolling in, and the red carpet to be rolled out?

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Jawknee
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 11:08:50 AM
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This tool needs to man up and start making better games. I've never seen a bigger whiner leading a company. I'm sure this tools attitude is part of the problem.

Geez, grow a pair, stop whining and start making Japanese games again. Maybe this is what you get for getting in bed with MS at the start of this generation. Some of us remember how excited you were to make exclusives for the Xbox at the start of this gen in order to "expand your audience."

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Snaaaake
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 11:16:00 AM

True Jawknee, he whined too much.
If he is saying Japanese games are 5 years behind, then that means FFXIII and MGS4's graphic is 5 years behind as well......which means western games are so advanced that Japanese can only achieve it in 2015.

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Jawknee
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 11:27:22 AM

What's sad too is when it comes to technical quality, Japanese games always take the cake. No screen tearing, extended loading, texture pop in etc. Unlike most western games. Too many of them are bug ridden and just technical nightmares. This guy has no idea what's he's taking about.

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Snaaaake
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 11:34:24 AM

Have you watched the newly released Enslaved demo?
I watched it on Youtube and I think I see a few frame rate hiccups there.

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Jawknee
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 11:42:04 AM

I watched the most recent Qore episode. The footage had frame rate dips and screen tearing galore.

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Snaaaake
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 11:10:34 AM
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"I look around Tokyo Game Show, and everyone's making awful games."

If I were a developer, I'd take that as an insult.

Even if business is bad, you shouldn't have said something like that.

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Jawknee
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 11:15:11 AM

He's a fool. Capcom is making awful games. Not everyone. Kojima's passion and the stuff Level 5 and Team ICO are doing proves this moron wrong. With people like him and Wada running two of the biggest heavy bitters from last gen, it's not a wonder why these are the two who seem to be having the most trouble.

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Kiryu
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 11:13:46 AM
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the Last Guardian is actually 5 years ahead.

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Snaaaake
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 11:18:16 AM

Haha, true enough.

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Lotusflow3r
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 11:25:38 AM

Bingo.

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Jawknee
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 11:21:28 AM
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I'm mean seriously, talk about out of touch. I really dont understand what world this guy is lving in. I live in the states and what little I saw in news coverage of Tokyo Game Show gives me hope that some still have it in them. Even the footage of Versus XIII gives me hope Square still has what it takes if Wada can stop thinking like Booby Kotex for a minute.

I'm sorry for the Capcom hate Ben. I just hate to see a grown man whine so much when maybe all he needs to do is have a chat with Kojima, Team ICO or some people from Level 5.

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godsman
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 1:33:23 PM

You are right Jawknee, this dude complain so much. Where is megaman?!

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johnld
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 2:55:44 PM

theyre getting ready to reboot him to a emo robot that moves like bayonetta or making roll star in a new game as a sex goddess.

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Lotusflow3r
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 11:27:31 AM
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The Last Guardian owns all of Caps games and owns most games in general....

I think the man might of been frustrated at his own games....

His comments are sickening, it's like he's a puppet being told what to say.

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WolfCrimson
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 11:39:41 AM
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The Japanese game industry, dead? Does he even realize how many RPG fans are clamoring for the return of true turn-based RPGs?!

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Snaaaake
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 11:41:36 AM

I'm one of those fans!!!
Though I thought Capcom wasn't famous for JRPG?

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Jawknee
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 11:53:53 AM

Me too. Been playing FFVIII again, I miss the days of turnbased.

Your right Snaaaake, Capcom doesn't make RPG's but maybe this is their chance to really try something new and give the fans of the Japanese gaming scene what they want.

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piratedrunk
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 12:11:56 PM

They could always bring back Breath of Fire like fans have been asking for years. Those are some of my all-time favorite RPGs.

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Highlander
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 3:18:57 PM

Considering that I've put more than 40 hours into replaying FFVIII with it's positively ancient 11 year old, turn based battle system I have to say this.

All it would take is for a couple of very bright Japanese game developers to get together and implement a JRPG game engine that allows players to choose between a pseudo real-time Turn Based mechanic, or a real-time Action mechanic. Then take that nice engine and use it to make as many games as possible with either new or retread stories and characters. Sell the engine to other devs to. Look, the engine doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be HD resolution and better than what Level 5 did with WKC1 (though that wasn't bad).

There are dozens of PSP games that I would love to play if they at least had text translations and subtitles. Any or all of these could also be redone on PS3. It would sell.

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Highlander
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 3:18:57 PM

Considering that I've put more than 40 hours into replaying FFVIII with it's positively ancient 11 year old, turn based battle system I have to say this.

All it would take is for a couple of very bright Japanese game developers to get together and implement a JRPG game engine that allows players to choose between a pseudo real-time Turn Based mechanic, or a real-time Action mechanic. Then take that nice engine and use it to make as many games as possible with either new or retread stories and characters. Sell the engine to other devs to. Look, the engine doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be HD resolution and better than what Level 5 did with WKC1 (though that wasn't bad).

There are dozens of PSP games that I would love to play if they at least had text translations and subtitles. Any or all of these could also be redone on PS3. It would sell.

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shadowscorpio
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 11:34:41 PM

@ Jawknee & snaaaake

Didn't capcom create the breath of fire series?

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Drake88
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 12:02:17 PM
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you always a new onimusha and breath of fire to do capcom, listen to the fans and you might learn something...

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Jawknee
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 12:04:13 PM

Oh snap, I forgot about Breath of Fire. Capcom did make RPG's at a time. I never played a BofF game but my friend loved them.

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piratedrunk
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 12:13:44 PM

Haha I should have just read all the comments before posting my reply above but yeah my thoughts exactly.

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shadowscorpio
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 11:36:27 PM

Sorry, didn't read further down before commenting.

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enjoi
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 12:03:09 PM
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Maybe it would be better if they just went out of business. I'm sure the talented designers would be able to find new jobs with another company or maybe form their own. Maybe they could focus on making some good new IPs instead of DMC 17 and SF34 alpha turbo.

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Jawknee
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 12:05:39 PM

I think their problem might be that all of their talent has already left? Mikami split and I heard he took a handful of Capcom people with him.

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Snaaaake
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 6:11:20 PM

Yea, it was Clover Studio back then, they were still under Capcom but it closed down.

Now all those at Clover are now at Platinum.
I don't know exactly who Mikami took with him, but I know Hideki Kamiya followed.

They lose the father of Resident Evil and DMC, that's a huge blow to them if you ask me.

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Underdog15
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 12:15:31 PM
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If you ask me, it's simply because they aren't making quality games anymore. It has nothing to do with Japan "dying".

I haven't purchased a single Capcom game in well over a year. In fact, I'm not even sure what the last Capcom game I got is!

Maybe if you do some Onimusha's or Breath of Fires, etc, you'd sell better. I'm sure if his Japanese games were of better quality, they'd sell. Societal preferences has nothing to do with it.

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dante_zero
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 12:17:17 PM
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I wouldnt say Japan as gaming industry behemoth is 5 years behind, but Capcom certainly are 5 years behind everyone else. I've played most of the games they have released in the last two years and while some have been pretty (SF4) the gameplay and quality of there titles has sucked. Dark Void and Lost planet 2 where games with huge potential but they failed with flawed gameplay and lack of originality or focused on repetativeness. Heres hoping Capcom have more success going forward.If Capcom wanted some quick sucess to balance the books abit more dare i suggest that we finally get a next gen Monster Hunter on PS3 ?

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A2K78
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 12:17:20 PM
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"Before everybody starts to spew Capcom hate, I would suggest placing yourself in their position: the lowest net income since 2004."

Of course Capcom have been in been an economic rut for quite some time, however this due to their abandonment of arcade/amusement scene, a scene thier competitors SEGA, Namco and Konami are making huge profits from. To put it in short, Capcom dug its own grave by focusing too much on the console/consumer business instead of the arcade scene which is hugely popular in japan.

As for Inafune comments, its quite obvious that he's looking for attension.

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Underdog15
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 12:42:14 PM

Capcom has had tremendous success in the past with console titles.

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Temjin001
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 9:10:00 PM

Do you have any data that shows that this decline is due to the arcade scene? And isn't Capcom's flagship arcade game, Street Fighter 4, still an arcade game? Somehow I suspect this is another deluded misconception of yours.

Quite honestly, arcades, especially stateside, have been a sucky thing for most every vendor as of the last 10 years. I'd even go as far to say that Capcom withdrawing a lot from the arcade scene saved them money.

In fact, Capcom's presence in the arcades had been a pretty conservative in their latter years anyway.
They used cost effective CPS boards that made it easy for JAMMA harness cabinets to swap between different games. I have some knowledge in this area as I was an employee for an arcade for a few years.

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Beamboom
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 12:18:05 PM
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Well what can I say... I totally agree. Every time I've tried playing a japanese game lately (much due to the hype on this site) I've always, without exception, put down the controller and asked myself, "go figure what THIS hype was all about...". Last time it happened was with white knight chronicles. Much praised on these pages. I was totally unable to see anything else than a poorly written cliché story stiched together with unchained action sequences.

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Wissam
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 1:49:06 PM

You don't like rpgs I think.

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Underdog15
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 2:20:03 PM

The story is a little, cliche, you have to admit, but it's a pretty darn good game...

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Beamboom
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 2:45:53 PM

Oh I *love* rpg's, with Fallout 3 being one of my all time favorites, and dragon age:origins is also one of the best gaming experiences on the ps3 so far. Favorites incudes also the awsome Knights of the old republic, star wars galaxies, anarchy online (+ expansions) etc. And with experience in rpgs I must say that if you find wkc to be particulary good then you can't have played many rpgs...!

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LegendaryWolfeh
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 5:40:03 PM

Ok that's the biggest difference there, you just don't like JRPG, you just don't like their style pretty much.

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Underdog15
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 7:08:07 PM

Oh believe you me, over the PS1 and PS2 eras, RPG's were about the only types of games I played. Nowadays i'm more diverse, but as Wolfeh said... you just don't like JRPGS. You're a strictly WRPG and MMO guy, based on your list there. If you ask me, they're completely different styles and separate sub-genres of RPG. In other words, you only like half of the RPG's out there. Which is fine, don't get me wrong.

But it's not that WKC sucks. You just don't appreciate it's style is all.

How did you feel about Dragon Quest 8, Star Ocean games, the Final Fantasies, "Tales of" series, Valkyria Chronicles, tactics RPGS (like Front Mission, FFT, many of Atlus' tactics games), Xenogears, Xenosaga series, Legend of Dragoon, etc. etc.? (all of which I have played)

I'm willing to bet those aren't your style or that you just don't 'get' them. But it's definitely not because they suck.

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Phoenix
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 8:03:06 PM

Well, I'd have to agree with others in saying that Capcom have nobody else to blame but themselves for their low net income, and that they could easily throw out some classic games people would eat up ( BoF, MH for PS3, etc.. ), but they just dont seem to want to do that, atleast for the time being...

But I've gotta agree with Boom, WKC was a pretty poor RPG, and I love RPGs, more specificly JRPGs. I was expecting so much more then what it delivered, the story was poorly done, and cliche as heck, the characters were boring, the online was just plain BAD, and the game was way to easy. Really the only thing I liked was the combat , and making ur own combo attacks. I almost feel like I havent played a good JRPG since FFX...


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Underdog15
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 8:07:51 PM

@Phoenix
FFX came at the beginning of the PS2. There have been plenty of good JRPGs since then.

Ever play Dragon Quest 8? Outstanding!!!

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Phoenix
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 8:15:53 PM

@Underdog

You know, I was really into DQ8, but sadly never finished it ( at the time I was heavly involved in FFXI.. yeah.... ), I really should get back into it again, heck I've got DQ9 sitting around, and I havent even opened it.... so many games, so little time...

P.S. FFVIII RULES!!!

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Beamboom
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 8:29:06 AM

Interesting reply Underdog15, and you all may very well be right in assuming that jrpg just isn't my cup of tea. It's just... I've never experienced to dislike an entire genre before...!

So: What exactly *is* jrpg? Cause my criticism of a game like wkc is not mainly against the very japanese'ish storyline or the quite strange/alien humor/jokes in the game, quite the contrary, they are a refreshing change. But rather things like:

- The blatantly apparent grinding/respawning. Every rpg has grinding but most that I've played at least *try* to wrap it up in something.
- The awkward interface. My buddy and I have *still* not figured out how to connect and play some coop missions.
- Your character not being the main character. Why create a character at all when the entire story evolves around that other guy in your party?
- The way the story is told. I find it to be extremely fragmented and confusing. Maps unlock without apparent reason, how to advance the main storyline is at times unclear to say the least. And please note: I do not mind exploring, nor do I mind games that demand my focus and require some time to work things out. But it should be for the "right reasons", if you understand what I mean.

Are these all typical properties of jrpg's? Cause I'd rather call them poor design...!

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Underdog15
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 9:13:54 AM

Well, we certainly agree about the story. I didn't find it that engaging either when compared to the likes of Dragon Quest 8, many Final Fantasies, the Xenosaga series, or Xenogears. There are definitely JRPG's out there that are the most phenominal stories you will ever experience in a video game. Some will even move you to tears. WKC was definitely a take-it-or-leave-it story.

As for the gameplay issues you encountered, I haven't experienced the same difficulties. As soon as multiplayer became available, I was able to connect with a buddy of mine.

"The blatantly apparent grinding/respawning. Every rpg has grinding but most that I've played at least *try* to wrap it up in something."
-I wasn't 100% sure I understood the phrasing there, but I'm responding on the assumption you mean that grinding is normally hidden as part of the progression you must take in the game? JRPG's definitely vary in that category. Some battles are random encounter, in which case enemies are not even seen on the field until a battle sequence is triggered. Others, like this one, may respawn enemies once you enter or re-enter an area. Each mechanic is different, as I'm sure you can imagine, so I guess you'll either like or dislike certain mechanics. Which is understandable. I'm much the same way.

The part about the story revolving around leonard and not you is definitely unique to this title. I never thought of it as an un-engaging element. I liked it simply because I was not held back by the main characters battle style. I prefer being a magic caster in games, so I stayed back and supported Leonard most of my play-through. It was a unique experience not being the main character, but it never bugged me. I just never really thought about it much until you mentioned it now. But I can see how that might bug some people.

At any rate, this game is obviously not a game you like, and you have good reasons based on your play preferences. I like it when people like you can support their reasoning for not enjoying a particular game, instead of blatent phrases like "it sucks".

In the past, there are some outstanding JRPG's. Most of the past they have typically been turn-based with some exceptions. Based on the RPG's you've played in the past, I don't know if you'd like that or not. But if you think you might enjoy turn-based, Dragon Quest 8 is probably the most recent top quality turn-based JRPG. (although it was PS2) If I compare WKC to my favorite JRPG's, I would probably rank it near the bottom, but I personally loved playing WKC. I guess it's just a personal preference thing. It wasn't the best experience I've had by far, but I did like it.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 4:06:46 PM

Regarding grinding: Yes you pretty much understood what I meant, but in wkc the respawn time is so ridiculously short that you basically can just camp an area and wait for the respawns. The first mob in a group has respawned before the last one is down. To me this goes against everything that RPG stands for: A game based on playing a role (to take the genre name literary) implies that there should be a virtual world to play the role in. And stuff like this is, as the topic of this article says, veeery "five years behind" in my opinion.

Regarding the other rpg titles you mention I guess most of them are console only? The ps3 is my first console and this whole "jrpg" thing is very new to me.
I don't think I've ever tried turn based rpg, I've played turn based strategy though and that can be fun if the game is complicated enough. But rpg to me really is about having a virtual world to explore and enjoy. Of other rpg titles I've really enjoyed I have to mention Vampire The Masquerade - bloodlines. Oh man what an experience...

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SvenMD
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 12:18:08 PM
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CAPCOM's problem is that they were good at making arcade games....but never really got it together with the consoles.

Besides Mega Man, Resident Evil, and Street Fighter - they've really struggled in execution. Take Lost Planet and Bionic Commando...these are 2 games that should have sold REALLY well! LP was a pretty neat new IP, but just didn't execute (and if you talk about wanting to westernize, then maybe having a full on japanese main character hurt them there); as for Bionic Commando - this should have been awesome...using a game everybody loved, and adding the ability to swing around like Spidey! that should have been fantastic, but again they didn't execute well.

I look back at some of my favorite games with UN Squadron and Mega Man and the early Resident Evil games...and all I realize is that they've been slipping for a loooong time.

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FlyingKickPunch
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 3:31:13 PM

Capcom was the shiznit on NES.

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Jawknee
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 3:55:34 PM

Yea I don't know Sven. Capcom made quite a few console games that I loved. Half of my PS1, PS2 and GameCube collections are Capcom games. It's just this gen they seem to have lost their mojo.

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Wissam
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 12:20:43 PM
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Capcom games At Least Five Years Behind.

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big6
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 12:28:19 PM
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Just to touch on the "Westernizing" of Japanese games...

I think Japanese people, in general, have a very skewed idea of what people are like in North America. It clearly shows in their games.

There are countless games from Japan which include "Western" characters, and they're all extreme stereotypes of the blonde surfer dude, or the black guy with a fro who talks like a radio DJ from the 80s.

Just look at all the games that have these types in characters in them... it's sad. (Bayonetta, Yakuza 3, MGS4, and many many more)

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Highlander
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 12:29:54 PM

Well, you only have to watch a few Anime shows with western characters to realize that...LOL! A similar accusation could be leveled at the Indian movie industry (Bollywood) since they tend to use stereotypes when portraying western characters.

I'm not sure though that the stereotypes in movies, on TV or even in games are fully refelctive of te understanding of Western culture. Though they do definitely give some guidance on the typical views.

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Kiryu
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 12:54:31 PM

@big6
Let me tell you one thing The Yakuza Games are very Japanese.In Yakuza 1 there was a american fighter who kiryu fought in the tournament and made fun of him for speaking bad Japanese.
After that in Yakuza 2 the same character appeared in the tournament.In Yakuza 3 i don't know what the fu** happened they made cia the villans so there have to be americans.
But in Yakuza 4 no more americans Yay!

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johnld
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 3:00:09 PM

@highlander
i find it funny that when they depict delinquents in anime its usually looks like westerners or blonde hair guys.

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big6
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 3:48:13 PM

@Kiryu
In Yakuza 3, there was Mack, who is a black guy in the stereotypical Western image. I found that character, and everything around his storyline to be disappointing.

I'm hoping Yakuza 4 won't entertain these stereotypes.

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Highlander
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 12:29:13 PM
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Oh good grief. I'm reminded of a quote from Aliens. Hudson - the ever optimistic Space Marine says "That's it man, game over man, game over! What the *%$# are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do?"

I know that Capcom's results are sucky, so I understand the urgency that Keiji Inafune feels about his company's success, or lack there of. But at the same time running around ahnd basically saying "That's it man, game over." isn't helping anyone.

I can't see how studying the way in which westerners live is going to help them one jot in terms of making games for the home market. I don't see how he can say everyone is making awful games, by what standard, according to what universal standard does he make that claim? Apart from the many different genre and sub-genre of game making it difficult to make blanket statements like that, it just feels more like an unreasoned rant than a level headed analysis of the situation.

What is his complaint? that the Japanese games aren't like western games? That's a problem? They're all behind by 5 years, so are they wearing flares in their games or something? I mean, truly what is he basing this on? It's pretty strong stuff to call the game output of Japan awful and say they're 5 years behind the west.

Part of what I don't understand here is that Western Games, these games that are apparently so much more advanced than Japanese ones, don't sell particularly well in Japan. Japanese games on the other hand do sell well. So, is Keiji Inafune saying that Japanese gamers like crap games and only western gamers play the good stuff? Come on, that's just plain ridiculous.

More and more of these comments sound like the people making them are just plain depressed and angry themselves and are taking it out on everyone else. How do you measure whether games made in Japan are 5 years behind their western counter parts? Is it the graphics? Well, not really MGS4, GT5 and FFXIII all kind of lay that to rest.

So how do you measure whether a game's story, or dialog, or characters, or game mechanic are 5 years behind? Those are not quantifiable things. Do the games look somehow dated? I'm not sure how you measure that either, since most games do not take place in contemporary settings.

Is he complaining that there are too many games of the same genre and that there should have been some magical evolution of those genre? I'm a great believer in innovation in games, but I'm also a great believer in serving your market. There's no point innovating a game out of it's genre if it leaves the market behind, you have to give the fans what they want.

Maybe he spent too long looking at the shovel-ware on the Nintendo stand? Most of those games are retreads and run on ancient game engines that have barely changed in a decade, but they are hardly the kind of content to judge an industry on. There will always be shovel-ware.

I just don't get this at all. Never mind all the thoughts about maintaining cultural distinctiveness in games or Japanese developers developing for Japanese gamers first. I just don't understand the thought process behind these kinds of statements. Can we send the Japanese gaming industry an industrial sized bottle of Welbutrin?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 1:38:05 PM

Highlander, with the death of JRPGs I find myself turning more and more toward Anime. Can you recommend your favorites to me?

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Underdog15
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 3:04:25 PM

DOT.HACK!!! The ROOT series!

(I know... not the greatest anime, but I love it!)

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WolfCrimson
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 3:13:35 PM

err... One Piece?

But I thought you weren't into anything that might be seen as kiddish, World. Well, that is what I understood from your past posts, so if I'm mistaken, I apologize.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 3:24:38 PM

I'm not into the western stuff like toy story, Anime is cool as long as it's well done. Some of my faves are Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Fate Stay/Night, Ghost in the Shell.

Dragonball just got way too out of control for me. Digimon was the bomb though.

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WolfCrimson
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 3:51:41 PM

Oh, okay then. Like I said, One Piece is nice, I haven't seen the anime of it but I do read the mangas, and it's quite good. Oh and if you don't mid reading mangas, there's this really great manga called Saikyou Densetsu Kurosawa. It's not action or anything, just drama, but it's got a really nice story that some people might connect with.

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Snaaaake
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 5:03:56 PM

@World, One Piece is one of the best anime out there but if you're interested, I got a few for you:
1) High School of the Dead
2) Shakugan no Shana
3) Zero no Tsukaima(well, if you don't mind some romance)
4) Eyeshield 21(that is, if you don't mind exaggerated Japanese anime sports)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 6:15:22 PM

Thanks for the recommendations guys :)

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Snaaaake
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 6:40:05 PM

No problem pal, an otaku for another!!!

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Lawless SXE
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 1:33:13 AM

Sorcerous Slayer Orphen. I never managed to catch some of the series, but what I did see rocked. Sorry for being late to the party.
Peace.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 1:37:12 PM
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Fire this idiot. He has no vision except to bow to the west and copy them. How foolish is it to stop making games that appeal to an entire country so you can appeal to people in another country who only want your games to STAY Japanese style.

Take a chance on a new IP, bring the sweetest multiplat graphics I've seen (ResiEvil 5) and give it Japanese flair and you'll have a winner.

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WolfCrimson
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 3:17:56 PM

So ironic, isn't it?

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Kai200X
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 1:43:31 PM
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It can't be good for Japan's confidence when their own people constantly putting themselves down. Instead of talking about it, why don't you do something? start with Capcom. I gotta say many people not happy with the direction they are talking.*cough*DmC*cough*

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big6
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 1:51:11 PM

Having the new DMC fail might be a bit of a wake-up call to Capcom, on their "Westernizing" initiative.

I might be a good thing, and force them to re-think their approach.

Capcom... how about coming up with a brand new IP with your own vision, instead of trying to re-boot existing IPs with a Western flair?

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Lawless SXE
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 1:55:27 PM
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I think that Capcom's biggest problem is that they are not making good games. I mean, I've only purchased two of their games, DMC4, which I loved, but wasn't as good as it could have been, and RE5, which focussed far too heavily on the action, when the series is meant to be about frights. Besides, what good, recognisable games did the company release in the past financial year, SFIV? Fighters no longer have the mass market appeal they once did.

I think that their attempts at Westernisatino are what is causing them to go awry. Imagine if they had've announced the new DmC as a new franchise. They wouldn't have raised the ire of millions of fans, and they would have a viable new franchise on their hands. It would be better for them to do what Sony is doing. Create strong new franchises out of the gate, rather than relying on sequels as they did, then sequelising them, at the same time bringing back the best of what they had on the earlier consoles in the same vein. Honestly, the best idea is to play to their strengths and make good games that are likely to come from no-one else, or do it better. Survival horror, DMC5, and things that made the company successful in the past.

As for Japan being five years behind, if that's the case then how is Kojima Productions at the top of the pile? How did S-E create what is arguably the best looking game to date? Why are people excited for Vanquish? The point is that these developers play to their strengths, rather than making derivative games that they are simply not good at making.
Peace.

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Scarecrow
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 2:21:37 PM
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Exclusive content for Lost Planet on 360
Exclusive content for Dead Rising on 360
DMC4 now multiplat

No Monster Hunter on ps3.

Blame yourselves.

Meanwhile I'll look forward to Polyphony's Gran Turismo 5 (Japanese dev by the way).

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ace_boon_coon
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 2:25:30 PM

exactly. only good game they have made has been street fight 4

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Highlander
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 3:13:06 PM

No Monster Hunter on PS3 is most certainly an issue in Japan. Stupidly embracing 360 exclusivity didn't help them either. Sure they are belatedly coming to the PS3, but considering the relative position of PS3 and 360 in their home market, tying themselves so tightly to the Microsoft Machine did not help them in Japan - at all.

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ace_boon_coon
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 4:33:23 PM

street fighter 4

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LegendaryWolfeh
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 3:35:54 AM

This, Crapcom really needs to make a MH on ps3, I don't understand what in the hell they're thinking, moronic.

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johnld
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 2:52:20 PM
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you want to cater to the west? then as a guy living in the west, heres what i want from you. I want a megaman game in the styles of uncharted and vanquish. cover system, third person shooter, tons of enemies, fast pacing, powerful/large bosses, multiple weapons/abilities, and some sort of platforming. we would both win because it sounds like a game i'll have fun playing and you can cater to the west, its an existing ip that reboots the franchise and basically the opposite of what you've been doing than before. just dont give me a dante-esque reboot of megaman. i wanted to mention gears of war too but then you might take it as tanklike controls. it also has a story you can rehash over and over again. wily/sigma is threatening the planet and you have to stop him. you can even have X and zero as playable characters for different play styles.

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JackC8
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 3:06:05 PM
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I enjoyed Dark Void - which I bought new for $10, seven months after it was released - but for a rather major title from a major publisher, the graphics were mediocre and the frame rate had some real problems in certain spots.

I skipped Lost Planet 2 because the single-player campaign was unplayable.

I skipped RE5 because they took all the horror out of it, so it was just another shooter with little to distinguish itself.

I have zero interest in fighting games.

So that's why I'm not buying your games Capcom. I'd be REALLY interested in a new Onimusha game but, oh...you're laughing at me.

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big6
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 4:16:52 PM

I think you should seriously reconsider Lost Planet 2. This game is outstanding!

I know your complaint is in regards to the single-player campaign. I only play this on co-op, but it's been a complete blast so far.
The art, graphics, playability, cut-scenes, boss battles have all been very fun, and worthy of anyone's time.

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Jawknee
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 7:00:49 PM

The graphics in Lost Planet 2 are ugly. Some of the worst screen tearing I have ever seen.

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SvenMD
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 9:37:16 PM

Well said Jack

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coverton341
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 3:22:16 PM
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All right, so I am not going to go out of my way to bash on Capcom but I will try to level the irons at some of their shortcomings.

Resident Evil 5 - They took a series that was scary, challenging with it's puzzles, atmospheric, and had a compelling story of an evil corporation concocting an agent to turn people into zombies and they turned that series into an action-packed adventure with minimal fright, a big hulking he-man protagonist, weak AI controlled partner, and a convoluted story that I honestly don't care enough about to rehash.

Devil May Cry 4 - A crazy difficult slash and hack action game series with a bad-ass protagonist turned cheap-ass annoying adventure game with a weird twin story syndrome. Ok actually DMC has been going down since 2 but that further illustrates the point.

Megaman - Umm....What the hell happened to this guy?

Street Fighter 4 - Good game that I liked a great deal. And then they made SSFIV and charged full price for it when all they really did was add some online modes and character...Hrm.

Onimusha - Great series of games that they have left to die and laugh at the possibility of making more despite fans clamouring for more.

I really could go on and on but I think most people here can get where I am driving the point. Capcom has had some great games and they have either changed the formula so drastically that they aren't representative of the original concept or they have completely abandoned the series.

I see their failing financials and can only think that if they had stuck with or would go back to the roots of these franchises or resurrect some of them that they could pull themselves out of the hole they are in.

I don't think it stops with Capcom though, a lot of the larger developers are "westernising" their games in hopes to hit it big over here but we can see that strategy is failing. The fact that so many continue to drive harder in that direction is baffling especially when you take an analysis of the smaller companies that are doing games that are more in line with true Japanese design and they are doing fairly well. Might not be hitting COD sales figures but they are doing well enough to pay their employees and remain lucrative.

Sorry for the dissertation, I'm done. I'll go back into hiding now.

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Scarecrow
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 3:27:25 PM

They didn't charge full price for SSFIV. Nor did they "just add some modes and characters."

Search for psxe's review.

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WolfCrimson
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 3:33:50 PM

Wait. I don't like SSFIV (or SFIV) at all, but I wouldn't say they charged full price for it. I think it was $40.

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coverton341
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 3:35:18 PM

That's strange because the Best Buy here was and still is charging 59.99 for SSFIV. And, all right yes they added more things than just a few character and online modes but not enough IMO to justify more than a patch and some DLC. Especially not a full-priced disc which might just be our local store price gouging. But either way I stand by my statement that they are faltering due to their radical changes to their long running series or complete lack of support for them.

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Jawknee
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 3:57:00 PM

Well, that Best Buy is ripping people off. SSFIV shouldnt cost more than $40 new anywhere.

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FlyingKickPunch
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 3:27:47 PM
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The new Yakuza has ZOMBIES!

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Snaaaake
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 6:22:33 PM

HELL YEAH!!!
Wonder how it's gonna play though.

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tes37
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 4:20:34 PM
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There just has to be something that they've always wanted to do but couldn't because of past console limitations.

I think all shipments of western games to the east should stop immediately until they learn how to keep their eyes on their own projects. When they get some proper leadership (and let us have some colored consoles), then they can have some western goodness again.

It's only fair if they get western games, we should get eastern games.

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Snaaaake
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 5:08:18 PM
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They wanna westernize but they don't even know what the westerners want.

And the westerners have already said what they want and yet.........

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FxTales
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 6:14:44 PM
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The sad part is that we recognise the problem but they still don't.

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Snaaaake
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 6:40:28 PM

And this is what we call ignorant.

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Temjin001
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 7:30:19 PM
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I suspect Tecmo Koei will tank first being a smaller company than Capcom. More recent reports claim that Tecmo Koei has had a 14% loss in revenue compared to last year. NGS2 sold below expectations and Quantum Theory doesn't look like it'll do anything to help them out.

I'm really beginning to think that their refusal to Square-Enix's buyout bid had more to do with the upper execs wanting to keep their positions than they were concerned for the health of their company.

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Shams
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 8:51:50 PM

That's depressing. At least we're pretty sure we're gonna get NG3, though.

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Alienange
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 9:30:49 PM
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What are we a bunch of animals? This guy wants to "study" us???

Do yourself a favor Capcom and fire this sorry excuse for R&D. He's nothing but a complainer and a defeatist.

Although the fact that Capcom kept him around for another year after the last TGS comment kinda goes to show what kind of clowns are running the show over there.

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___________
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 5:27:37 AM
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i wish i could just whack every Asian developer on the head, than maybe, just maybe they will wake up and smell the coffee!
its not that there 5 years behind, its not that there making crap games, its that there trying to imitate games there not!
imitations are always crap, no matter how good they are.
food for example, have you ever tried a itallian pizza made by a leb?
it tastes like sh*t!
have you ever tasted chineese food made by a italian?
it tastes like sh*t!
just like cars, italians are known for super cars, beautiful cars, there not exactly known for quality look at alfas.
if you want a car that will last for 100 years you buy a german car, if you want a beautiful car you buy a italian car, if you want a car that will break the moment you drive it out the showroom you buy a holden.

as i have said o so many times if i want itallian food i will go to a itallian shop.
if i want german food i will go to a german shop.
if i want french food god knows why i would but ill go to a french shop.
if i want a well built sturdy car and can afford it ill buy a german car.
if i want a carthat is beautiful and built with passion ill buy a italian car.
if i want a asian game ill buy a asian game.
if i want a western game ill buy a western game.
certain cultures, certain regions are known for certain things and certain styles of things.

SO FOR THE LOVE OF GOD CAPCOM, $E AND CO, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP TRYING TO BE WESTERN IMITATIONS AND JUST BE YOURSELVES, DO WHAT YOUR FANS WANT YOU TO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Xintype
Friday, September 24, 2010 @ 8:26:09 AM
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"I look around Tokyo Games Show, and everyone’s making awful games. Japan is at least five years behind. Capcom is barely keeping up."
OH! Nicely said Inafune-San!!! So all the Japanese developers other than Capcom are crap? Is that what you want to point out?
Don't complain about Sushi if you only like Pizza.
Don't complain about J-Pop if you only like Punk.
I really admire and love company's like Nippon1 or Banpresto with there Disgaea and SRW franchises.
If Capcom reaches the perfection of imitating western games, it will be the day I will never buy a Capcom game again.

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