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Move Designer: Importance Of Buttons, Questions Competition

The PlayStation Move is now on the market, and thus far, it seems to be "moving" well.

But to dive into the nuts and bolts of Sony's new motion sensing technology during the first week of availability, we turn to Dr. Richard Marks, who recently spoke to Edge about Move's development and what he thinks of the competition. Marks studied avionics at MIT, received his PhD from Stanford, worked in underwater robotics, and is currently working in the PlayStation R&D department. He conceived and developed the EyeToy (released in 2003), was involved with the PlayStation Eye, and helped with Move. Happy with his resume? After talking about how they decided on the technical solutions (the camera is vital), Marks was asked what he thought about Microsoft's stance, which states that we no longer need controllers. Responded Marks:

"I don’t think that point of view is quite right. When we did EyeToy we wanted to create a new way to play games but we didn’t want to replace the existing way. I think that you can do some things really well with just a camera, or just a 3D camera, but there’s just some stuff you can’t do as well. And there’s a bunch of experiences you could never do as well. I think our system is really flexible because we still have a camera – we could still do all the stuff EyeToy did and more – but we also have this more high-fidelity controller which you hold in your hand and is tracked really accurately, and you have the buttons."

To follow, he was asked if he thought buttons could be "intimidating to certain types of potential players." Marks replied:

"Buttons are irreplaceable as an input device. Too many buttons are overwhelming, but one single action button is very powerful feeling. For core games you really do need a set of buttons to quickly choose things. Trying to replace buttons with gestures doesn’t work very well."

He went on to say that with Move, they wanted to insure they "had a wide enough range of experiences that it worked as a platform device." In this way, "no matter who you are, you'll really want this controller, even if you've never played a game or you've been playing the hardest core games of all." And to finish things off, Marks provided the following comments:

"I think Move is good for adding a spatial dimension to existing experiences. The thing people don’t quite realise yet is that it is a completely new way to interact. It is a 3D virtual reality kind of device, where if there’s a 3D scene you can reach directly into the screen, manipulate things and navigate around the space in a new way. That’s the part that I think hasn’t quite dawned on everyone yet. We don’t yet have enough experiences showing it, but we’re starting to get those."

Stay tuned for our hardware review of Move; in the meantime, feel free to check out our Sports Champions review. We're pretty satisfied thus far.

Tags: move, playstation move, sony, ps3 move

9/20/2010 9:30:24 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (42 posts)

WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 9:56:20 PM
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Buttons are good. Looking forward to this whole 3D space thing he's talking about. Now get to work on my holodeck.

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bigrailer19
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 11:21:15 PM

In the move bundle there is a disc with demos on it. That disc has like 8 games or so, and one is tumble. Its basically a block building game, but with a puzzle element to it. I believe an aspect of the 3d stuff he is talking about is part of this game. You have to manipulate the blocks in certain instances by moving your motion controller inwards toward the tv pushing the block either forward or back, rather just side to side, and even through objects. It is pretty amazing.

But there may be more to this to come, its obviously still very early and this is just the start.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 12:10:37 AM

Apparently you open and close things in Heavy Rain with a similar gesture, that could be cool.

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johnld
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 2:50:47 AM

you know whats retarded about that demo disc that came with the new bundle? its a demo disc but you still have to install the game on the ps3. basically its just a demo container. why couldnt it just play straight from the disc. another funny thing, theres a sports champion demo on the move demo disc that came with the move bundled with sports champions.

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Killa Tequilla
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 3:37:04 PM

Guys wanna know somtething cool? I did my profile picture using Move!

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BikerSaint
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 10:08:22 PM
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Buttons= Move....GOOD!
No Buttons= PEW,PEW,PEW Fingers....Not so good

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BikerSaint
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 10:13:16 PM
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BTW, speaking of the "dive into the nuts and bolts of Sony's new motion sensing technology"!
here is the Move controller broken down to it's sum of all part's here.....

(Highlander should like this one, LOL)
The PlayStation Move Teardown....

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/PlayStation-Move-Teardown/3594/1

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phudge_supreemz
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 10:33:02 PM

Oh man. Uncharted 2 with move support would be sweet.

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Kowhoho
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 10:40:19 PM

Other games that will be patched include the Gold edition of RE5 (already happened actually), MAG, and Flower. There's also Eyepet, and that's all I can remember. There's probably more, but that's what I know.

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Jawknee
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 10:44:26 PM

If I remember correctly Naughty Dog said they had no plans for Move and Uncharted games.

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Orvisman
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 9:38:36 AM

MLB: The Show... or so I heard

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smileylyon
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 2:08:48 PM

RUSE, Tiger Woods 2011, Heavy Rain, RE5 Gold, MAG, Flower, KillZone 3, Socom 4, LB2, Sims 3 (not verified), EyePet, Sports Champion, Kung Fu Rider, The Fight, TV Superstar, Start the Party, ummm, I know there's more!

Go to your local GameStop and check the "Reservation" book. If you see a MVR (Move Required) or MVS (Move Supported) after the title, then it will use MOVE!

On a side note, I would like an enhanced PSEye, maybe up the megapixels, or add low light compensation or something! I have a dark living room and would like to be able to play EyePet without putting out white sheets on the floor and over my couch, and setting up a lamp so the Eye can track my hands when playing with the crazy critter!

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godsman
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 10:43:00 PM
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I am playing my Move now. I really feel the current $39.99 Move-only games are really lacking. They should make more games like Tumble. Too bad it's not sold on a disc, not too many people will realize it's capabilities.

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bigrailer19
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 11:30:09 PM

Tumble was fun in the demo! I've been wondering if i should get it!

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bigrailer19
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 11:30:49 PM
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So far the Move has been something I really didn't think it would be. I mean I had my doubts. I am really enjoying it though.

I have never thought the wii was accurate. I thought yeah its motion controls and for that it works great. But I have never praised it by any means.

But the Move I cant say enough about it. It's fun, but also caters to the core gamers. As mentioned in the article buttons are needed very very much. I mean you can't play Halo, or even RE5 with Kinect. But we can play MAG, RE5, and all the MOVE specific games just to name a few.

The 360 has now split its games, and devs up, not a good choice, but I'm sure they will still benefit in some ways. While Sony can just keep concentrating on the road ahead, and let the devs decide which route to take on whether to support move or not. And I say that knowing very well that any Sony published game will probably, PROBABLY have move support. Anyways in my book Move is a huge success so far, and is definitely a step above anything else. As long as we can get some stellar games in the coming months (yeah Sorcery waiting on you), then it will continue to be successful!

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fluffer nutter
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 11:31:30 PM
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From above article:
"I think Move is good for adding a spatial dimension to existing experiences. The thing people don’t quite realise yet is that it is a completely new way to interact. It is a 3D virtual reality kind of device, where if there’s a 3D scene you can reach directly into the screen, manipulate things and navigate around the space in a new way. That’s the part that I think hasn’t quite dawned on everyone yet. We don’t yet have enough experiences showing it, but we’re starting to get those."

This is what was the big hook for me. After seeing this displayed in the tech. demonstration videos, my mind opened wide to the possibilities. I really hope that game developers latch onto this because it's a virtual gold mine. A gold mine I tell ya!

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 11:31:59 PM
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Glad to see people are supporting Sony's latest gaming hardware but they won't be getting any support from me.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 12:13:36 AM

I thought you enjoyed ALL that Sony has to offer?

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 12:25:57 AM

::backtracking::

I enjoy all the game consoles they have to offer and a majority of the games on them. How about that? I'd say if one had to choose between a console and another type of controller the console would be the wise choice.

Course that's the beauty, choice.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 12:47:38 AM

Indeed sir, I do so like to bug people though.

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DazeOfWar
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 11:37:39 PM
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I couldn't wait any longer and decided to dig through my games to trade in. I already had a camera($10) so I traded that too and picked up the Sports Champions bundle pack. Just waiting for it to charge all the way.

Ya I could have save $10 if I just bought the controller and game but they didn't have any single controllers and just had the one bundle left. Luckily I know the people at GS cause the bundle was actually somebodies preorder that they hadn't picked up yet.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 12:14:10 AM

You may have angered that pre-order person.

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DazeOfWar
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 11:59:24 PM

Could have but when you preorder something they give you 48hrs to pick up after that they can sell it. It came out on Thursday and if he/she really wanted it they would have picked it up. Hell it had already been 4 days. They had more coming anyways.

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Lawless SXE
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 2:17:24 AM
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I'll invest in motion sensing gaming when someone gives me Norman(the FBI agent in Heavy Rain)'s ARI system. Now THAT has potential.

But considering that's still a good few years off, I can wait. Of course the PSMove has a lot of potential also, particularly with the inclusion of both motion and camera sensing. My biggest worry is that a lot of devs won't realise just how complex the system is, and how much more it can do than the Wii, and will go on to do little more than port jobs. I don't want to have to resort to buying such things just to get use out of a peripheral. So it stands that I will get PSMove, if and when it ever has a huge line-up (and backlog) of promising games. I'm just not sold on it until I see what devs are doing with it.
Peace.

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___________
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 5:03:59 AM
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agreed, buttons are definitely a important thing even with motion controls.
kinect is definitely a intriguing idea, a great leap forward, but its so limited in which games it can do.
how am i going to shoot?
how am i going to throw a grenade?
how am i going to reload?
theres so many games that i just cant see working with it, some genres just need buttons no two ways about it.
kinect + buttons = the perfect control setup.
kinect + buttons + 3D = the closest thing to VR will probably ever get to!

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 8:58:59 AM

Or you could just go the Move...and better yet research exactly what it does.

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spiderboi
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 9:03:43 AM

Isn't Kinect + buttons already the Playstation Move?

Edit: And once you get Killzone 3 and play with a 3D TV, ain't that the best combination you just mentioned?

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Orvisman
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 9:46:29 AM

LOL. A great leap forward... to what exactly?

Maybe a great leap back in time to the PS2's Eye Toy or the PS3's PSEye.

There are some who will always drink M$ft's green Kool Aid and believe anything it says is true.

M$ft: Kinect is a huge step forward.
Xbot in drone voice: "Kinect is a huge step forward."

M$ft: We invented video games.
Xbot in drone voice: "M$ft invented video games."

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sirbob6
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 3:46:26 PM

umm... I sorry to break it to you but you just essentially described the move there. Yeah... so how about that rage...

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Highlander
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 10:29:58 PM

Oh come on Anonymous Cowheard, now you're trolling too.

Kinect is very (and I mean *very*) little more than the PSEye, and in fact it's a good deal *less* in many ways since it has half the refresh rate of the PSEye. There's no point in hoping for Kinect + buttons + 3D since that's not going to happen on the 360.

Of course you could concede that Move offers everything you just talked about, but I guess that would spoil your little Kinect pity party.

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___________
Wednesday, September 22, 2010 @ 8:18:24 AM

ok, well IF the PS eye can do everything kinect can than LETS SEE IT!
tis the point, M$ are showing and sony are not so..............

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JackC8
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 7:16:50 AM
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I may very well pick up the Move for Christmas. I've always been moderately intrigued by motion controls, but when we got a Wii for the kids a few years ago, I was completely disappointed in its inaccuracy. Not to mention the absolute lack of games that I'm interested in on that console.

Kinect - I watched a demo of that Harry Potter game a while hack. It was missing the players swinging their entire arm forward to mimic casting a spell with a wand. I can't imagine that thing ever following someone's pointed finger to accurately fire at a target on screen. And how would you fire? Swing your other arm in the air? Whatever. I'm just happy that us PS3 folks are getting a very useful and accurate accessory that may very well make our favorite games more fun. The xbox guys can worry about playing dance games.

Oh by the way, Amazon.com is having an all-day all-PS3 Gold Box sale today.

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Highlander
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 10:33:25 PM

I couldn't decide what was funnier watching them flailing their arms madly in the hope that Kinect would detect their movement, or watching them *waiting* for the game to move them to the next piece of action. The game was so on the rails you could almost see the roller coaster car they were standing in. It reminded me of one of those really ancient arcade games that were going to follow the same course through the game whether you fired your gun or not. At least the arcade games had buttons and you didn't stand there waving at the camera in the hope that it would recognize you.

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Kiryu
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 9:15:02 AM
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It is a 3D virtual reality kind of device, where if there’s a 3D scene you can reach directly into the screen, manipulate things and navigate around the space in a new way. That’s the part that I think hasn’t quite dawned on everyone yet. We don’t yet have enough experiences showing it, but we’re starting to get those.

Will get Move Now!

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Effi
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 10:13:49 AM
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also one thing to note is that alot of PS3's >excellent games are by Sony's studios. And i would bet my ass that they won't miss out Move whenever appropriate.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 11:13:26 AM
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Move Destroys a Mii

With the PlayStation Move having recently launched, the comparisons with the Wii Remote have been plenty.

While Sony has danced around the issue, this video spot certainly doesn't, shattering a Mii with a Move controller......

http://www.thealistdaily.com/news/move-destroys-a-mii/

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Highlander
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 10:37:22 PM

That's hilarious.

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CH1N00K
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 11:37:28 AM
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I broke down and bought a move for the GF. Now I don't have to invest in a Wii...I forgot that Heavy Rain is a game you can play with the move, but we have the Sports Champions and TW PGA 11.

Sports champions is entertaining and not bad for a launch game for the Move. Tiger Woods? It's a little awkward and I don't see it getting played much.

I'm looking forward to seeing where the development of the Move goes with games though.

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THEVERDIN
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 5:52:33 PM
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@Sweedie,

High velocity bowling got the patch today

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Highlander
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 10:34:32 PM

Oh cool, how does it play? I already enjoyed that game with the sixaxis, a Move version would be awesome.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 9:23:05 PM
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On a related note,

Toys R Us R doing it's own little "Move" Groove in their ad this week,

Buy the Move "bundle"($99.99), plus another Move controller($49.99), & receive a free T-R-U $25 gift card

or
Buy the Toy Story Move game & get a free $20 gift card

or
Buy any one of these Move games below & get a free $10 gift card....

Tiger Woods PGA Tour 11 ($59.99)
Ruse ($59.99)
Start The Party ($39.99)
Eyepet($39.99)
KungFu Rider ($39.99)
Sports Champions ($39.99)
Racquet Sports ($29.99)

They also have a buy 1, get 40% off all other PS3 games this week too.

(Side note: These sales apply to in-store only, no rain checks, & above offers expire on 9/25/2010)

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Robochic
Thursday, September 23, 2010 @ 9:58:43 AM
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picked up my new slim ps3 (just the basic model) picked up the move and navagation controller (already have the camera) and eyepet for my son can't wait to try it out just no time cause I also picked up a new DSi for 100 bucks :) during walmarts anniversary sale thought that was an amazing deal.

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